Hey there Big Strapper. Thanks for dropping by to check out today's upload. Well what's your preference? Automatic or the GearJammer's Special (A Manual?) Love to hear your take on your preference and WHY!
Automatic is kinda dangerous because if you loose your air pressure you have no control of the tractor can’t even use jakes to loose speed not to mention when trying to park your down 20 psi and half to wait for it to build up air
Dave this topic "grinds my gears" (lol) I will say automatics have their place in trucking, but not for everything. I ran for tmc, doing regular regional flatbed. The truck I had had the x15 450hp, with a eaton fuller 10 speed ultrashift. It's wasn't a bad transmission, it just wasn't ment for general flatbed. It wouldn't hold me back going through Appalachian passes with anything weighing over 43k. I was impressed with it's acceleration though, but that's it. It was not, at all a vocational transmission. I got stuck in snow empty, on I 68 in Maryland because I stopped for a car stuck in a drift. And go figure the transmission had a override, when you try to use manual mode to get out. In my opinion, if I had to pick between 389 with a cat c15 550hp 18 speed ultra shift, and a 450hp freightshaker with a 10 speed standard, to do heavy hual I'd choose the 10 speed everytime. Because I just don't trust the computer overrides, that automatic transmissions have. But also preference, I like to shift it's gives me something to do. Automatic is nice in traffic, but for goin to work 💪 I want my heavy duty standard transmissions
Auto actually. Only been trucking for about 2 years. I drive a standard only when the auto is in the shop. Never learned downshifting too well on steep hills. Hate being hard on the transmition and grinding gears, so I prefer automatic. We have some rentals that shift much slower than a manual (but are automatic) 2-3 seconds per shift. If everything is broke and I'm driving a rental, I'd prefer a manual trans.
I switched to trucking after getting laid off from an I.T job. It has been two years and I love trucking. I have never driven automatic cars/trucks. I got few lessons in manual. I just hated it. I prefer and LOVE automatics :)
27 years driving. Spent 25 on a manual hauling tridems. Switched to Volvo Ishift with the shifter control beside the seat. I’ll never go back to manual. In snow and on slippery roads I switch it to manual shift mode and take full control of every shift. Same control as a manual with out the clutch. No issues backing into loading docks. Do it everyday.
I drove a manual for 24 years. I have an auto now and while it was an adjustment, I did get used to it. As long as you can put it in manual and control it I like it. The way the jakes work with the cruise control and transmission is seamless. I think if you're a good driver you can get used to anything and adjust. 🤷♂️
I bought an automatic. First one I had ever driven. Took some getting used to, many things I don't like, but overall I would prefer it for everyday driving. 808,000 miles and it's never missed a beat. At the end of the day a CDL holder should be able to drive anything.
I will agree with you, alot of guys think you have to drive stick to be a truck driver. I don't agree with that personally. You just have to be good at driving your equipment, like a professional regardless of what it is.
Manual all the way. Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity! One less computer, and a whole lot less sensors to leave me stranded. I don't even like automatics in 4 wheelers.
Great video !! 1st load 9/17/2001 and I will NOT drive automatic trucks ever again. I driven 2 of them for a combined time of 17 months. Standard transmissions are the safest way in rocky mountains. GOD BLESS
Manual all day, everyday. Something about grabbing gears that are just so satisfying. Not to mention, complete control over what gear you need to be in over what gear a computer THINKS you should be in.
I have absolutely no issues on snow or ice with an automatic transmission. Do what you want and what you feel comfortable with. I'll never drive anything but automatics. I learned on a manual by the way.
@@Tyler-xe1es people have their preferences dude. I drive a 13 speed and I can imagine driving an automatic sure as heck will make things easier. Stop being a dick.
That's because you aren't really in winter weather all season. There is no way you could roll up on 4 sets of 3 rail chains with an automatic without spinning at least 3 of them off. You just don't have control with an auto.
Automatics are great IN THE CITY, where almost all the roads are nice and flat and there are plenty of red lights. However, out on the highways, with the mountains, curves, and weather, give me a manual 18-speed any day of the week. I believe I have much more control on hills (up and down) and driving in general with a manual. Yes. I know automatics can be put into Manual mode, but I don't trust the computer to not upshift when it thinks the rpms are getting too high. As you know, the higher the rpms are the better the engine brake works Backing into the dock is much easier (for me) with a manual than it is an automatic. A driver can "feather" the clutch if needed, and manuals can often crawl back at idle where most automatics won't - the driver has to feather the throttle. Maintenance, there's no comparison - the manual seldom breaks and it has few if any sensors. Automatics have several sensors that have a nasty habit of sending false codes or the sensors outright fail. All in all, I'll take a manual (preferably an 18 Spd) over an automatic.
I agree eaton fuller s 10 speed ultratshift is trash. doesn't like to rock when stuck in snow, doesn't like to creep when off pavement and heavy, doesn't like to hold the truck back when down hill. ("Thats what the Jake is for") trust me, there's a difference. I would not trust my life to an automatic, pulling permitted coil loads weighing up to 84k. My 13 speed works just fine
Driving for an LTL freight carrier in the city, I’ll take a manual transmission every time. Try pulling out in city traffic waiting for an automatic finally move, good luck with that. Bumping docks all day, manual transmission is the only way to go.
I drive garbage trucks, and when you have to stop and start up to 1500 times in a day you become VERY grateful for an automatic. However I got my class A license with a manual transmission and when I finally go OTR I'll definitely want a manual. But I feel like a lot of kids nowadays who get into trucking prefer an auto just because they're too lazy or too scared to learn the clutch.
Or maybe it’s because we go to a school that has nothing but autos an we don’t get a choice an that’s what you test with an that’s what your restricted to unless you can somehow find time an learn to almost perfection to shift a manual trans truck on your home time that you’d rather spend with your family or work on you vehicles by no means are we “all lazy” autos are just what everyone’s going to an id like to have a little bit of a life for the few days that I get off every 1-2 months I’d rather take the thousand or so it costs to rent an learn a standard an use it to further my fixing up of my car auto does just fine especially in reefer or dry or flatbed except liquid an autos are great in traffic jams an town where we seem to catch every red possible it’s obvious that the ones liking standard trans trucks are the older drivers that are stuck in there ways an avoid today’s technology only tech we should all avoid is those autonomous truck going to be blind every time dust or snow gets on that front sensor 😎✌️
@@joshkrause2977 I doupt they'll ever do that, the manual setting is very useful for some situations if you have to predict which gear you need to be in. Just like with a standard. What does bug me the most is the slowness of the gear shifting with trucks, coming from high performance motorbikes(pocket rocket) for 20 years before I got onto trucking. I'm starting my 2nd year now with trucking without accidents/mishaps, who would have known that having your life on the line 24/7 while driving bikes would be a good introduction into trucking.
Manuel, only deal with a worn clutch. An auto, is the clutch and the electronics and actuators. Saw a broke down truck at the fuel pumps, had to be towed, the actuators stopped working and would not go into gear.
It dont make you lazy just because you're doing an unnecessary step. Dont try to make yourself feel important by comparing extra tasks that you choose to give yourself when a more simpler option is available.
I'm 46, 30 years ago, yes 16 y/o, I learned in a 4 and 4 two stick. Most door swingers today can't even figure an auto shift out. Today's driver's are not truck drivers, there door swinging seat warmers.
When I had an automatic, backing into a dock was hard to control. With a clutch, I control how slow I actually bump the dock. An automatic had me slamming into the dock or only moving an inch cuz i was always scared of how much force on the accelerator I was using
In a manual, I can always back to a trailer and get a gentle click of the jaws around the pin, in an automatic, even when trying to be as gentle as possible, they often jump and slam into the trailer knocking all my crap onto the cab floor.
I missed that so much going from the manuals at my school to the automatic at my company. The manual made it so easy to inch the truck back or forwards, but it is a pain in the ass in an automatic. Moving a couple of inches is so much easier easing on or off the clutch than feathering the brake pedal.
When I got my CDL I tested with a 13 spd, I drive a 02 frieghtliner classic a automatic that has a clutch, it'd still prefer the 13 speed but I'm not going to complian
I just finished my CDL training last November, but I drove a 10-speed for the 5 months I was there, and after driving "automatic" trucks for about a month at work, I can already say that I would only ever buy a truck with a clutch pedal. Personally, I am of the opinion that the biggest reason companies buy them is so they can hire anybody who walks in off the street. Then, they go and complain that those people are on their phone while driving, not paying attention to anything. I wonder why . . .
I agree with your point about every new driver learning to drive a stick!! I like a standard transmission better because I feel that I have better control of the truck!!
All good points Dave what I don't like a about them is the ability for companies are able to put drivers in trucks that have no business being behind the wheel and look around and see what the industry has turned into IMO
I've been driving for 27 years. I've driven 18, 13, 10, Super 10, 8 speed, clutched auto shift and fully auto shift. I prefer the auto shifts. I've never had issues with any of the ones I've drove. I have driven 48 states and 3 provinces in Canada in all types of weather. I now drive local with mountain driving in KY, WV, TN, NC and upper GA. City traffic in Atlanta and Raleigh. As far as the knee problems I've driven trucks with a clutch so hard it felt like I was having to stand on the pedal to mash it. Yes, those will kill you left knee. I've never slam the dock when backing. All you fave to do is feather the throttle like a clutch. Driving in snow has never been an issue. Driving down a steep grade just select a gear like you do in a stick. But unlike a stick if you find yourself in a gear to low you just upshift and not worry about missing.
As a European driver if I had to make the choice between a automatic or manual I don't really know what to choose, I've driven both, if you want the ultimate driving experience go for automatic, in Europe automatic transmissions are cheaper than manuals and only one truck manufacturer still makes them and that is Scania, I mean out here manuals are almost a thing of the past and that's why owner operators like to buy a scania with a manual transmission, you need to understand that in Europe a manual transmission is a synchronized transmission so you don't have to double clutch it's just the same as in a car, if I where a owner operator, I would definitely not know what to choose, these automatics are so advanced that there is basically no comparison possible, look at Volvo and their transmission, with the dual clutch, that's the smoothest transmission in a truck, you can just ease on the throttle like its a clutch that's how smooth it is, same with scania automatic transmissions, they even have driving modes that you can select, eco, normal, power, off-road, with off-road it really limits spinning wheels, they even have a option for a clutch on a automatic transmission, if you want to use it, you can and if you don't want to use it or don't need it you don't, but specially in tight situations or trying to get unstuck, there's just no comparing possible between a automatic or manual, my preference is probably manual but then again it's just the feeling you get from it and it lasts longer, I've heard in a Volvo you have to change the clutch every 400.000 km in a automatic, because they shift so fast to save fuel and to be smooth, so that would probably be a no-go, unless it's under warranty, but if I want to have all the driving comfort that they can offer I would most certainly pick a automatic.
Learned on manual but most of my time is in an automatic. I dont see an issue in different weather. I still have control of it so long as I'm behind the wheel. And its like you said, I didn't get too much training on manual enough to be comfortable,so dealing with stressing about getting it in proper gear, on top of being 100% aware of things around me just doesn't feel safe at all. I'm safest when I can concentrate on the road around me.
I've drove all 3 and I can tell you this I'd never own a automactic but I have time for the eaton 18 speed ultrashift, we do most short haul, heavy or oversized loads in urban settings very little freeway hauling. We have 2 trucks one with the 18 manual and one ultrashift as we fight over you gets to drive the ualtrshift it is so nice in town where you spend more time looking in your mirrors then the windshield. Have Eaton out and have them program the ultrshift for your trucking requirements and that Transmission will do everything and more your manual can do I was closed minded to the automated so that's a statement I thought I'd never make.
With my experience comparing auto's to manuals, give me a manual any day! A lot more control in gearing ie, skip shifting, taking off in a higher gear when empty and a hell of a lot cheaper when repairs are required. I have seen auto trucks shut down on a freeway for no reason! Creates dangerous situations
A problem we have with the auto shift at the local company I work for is if my 10 speed has a problem I can usually limp it back to the shop, when the guys in the auto shift trucks have a problem the truck won’t even go in gear they have to call a wrecker to come swap trucks out with them.
Especially getting under a trailer 😂. Given myself a few headaches. If only Mack could install a crawl feature that detects the weight. Or just in general, a hooking mode.
What I did was get my license with an automatic restriction and saw the diminishing of job opportunities. Once I had my restriction removed, all of a sudden, job offers flooded in.
I drove manual and currently drive automatic. Can say I genuinely miss stick because it was just more fun lol. But I'm in NYC everyday so I'll definitely take the automatic.
I drove a '96 379 with a DD 60 Series and an 18 speed for my last boss and now I drive a '17 Cascadia with a DD15 and an auto for myself. My driving habits are consistent between the those 2 trucks other than the obvious differences in shifting. I pull a flatbed and 48k and under loads with a lot of it being oilfield industry from pipe to chemicals to pumpjacks and the rest being wallboard, lumber and bagged sand for the most part. My fuel mileage is consistently 1-1.5 mpg higher with the automatic. That's clearly significant and I'm not childish enough to bash on autos and try to degrade other drivers that use one just because I drove a manual for most of my career.
I appreciate your not bashing auto drivers. I just got my cdl. Of course i learned and am driving an auto cascadia. I feel inferior driving an automatic. I have always driven manual cars. I can feel the lack of control in the auto truck. It seems to have a mind of its own. But I just keep telling myself, I'm not doing this to be cool. I'm trying to make a living. So all in all, I don't care what I'm driving. If I'm getting paid to drive it, I'm happy.
In the army, we had FLD Freightliner cabovers, with true automatic trans, you had to check the tranny fluid, it had a oil pan, hooked to a detroit. These automatic standard shift, computer shifted trucks are hard to get used to, they do shift perfect, raising and lowering the rpm perfectly. And you can eat a sandwich in heavy traffic! I still prefer to work while driving a truck, not just sit there, that's a standard preference for me.
I’ve driven multiple manual and automatic trucks doing different jobs from reefer to rgn and I tell you an automatic can do any job a manual can. And automatics have their place in trucking. That being said I prefer and currently drive a 13 speed manual.
Definitely only buy a manual but if a company truck has a automatic what the heck they can pay to fix the damn thing and pay you for down time The only upside of a automatic is more time to shop for Adidas track suits flip-flops and driving gloves Lol🤣
These are very good points made in this video. I have always driven a manual transmission truck, and that's all I want to drive. I drove an automatic once for a few months, and you're right. In certain situations, you really don't feel as though you have full control over the vehicle.
I'm in a rental auto right now as I watch this. While I agree, a truck isn't a race car. But my manual will smoke this auto. Docking is still a huge issue for me with these auto's. I'm supposed to be getting a new truck next month. I want to keep my manual.
Here's another thing,and it may not be that big of an issue now due to the driver shortage. But pay scale may differ if all a guy can drive is a automatic Dave.
I'm in training right now. Working my through 18 speed has slowed me down, and glad for it. Even with a high number of traffic lights in the area I'll be sticking to slow and smooth. Manual shifting gets my vote.
I may not have been at this as long as some, but I prefer the manual transmissions. I feel like I can be in control of the truck and inclement weather. It has scared the hell out of me to drive with chains on in an automatic.
Been driving 25 years... I'm shifting a manual in the oilfield 95% of the time these days, & that's my preference. What I've noticed with automated transmissions is that I feel 'disconnected' from the road- especially in low traction situations. I absolutely HATE how they feel like they slide into neutral at low speeds. Also with the fully automated air-actuated trannys in sub-zero weather... you can't use A.B.C. in the air system because it deteriorates the o-rings.
Thanks for posting this. I'm a 2-year driver now. My company trained me on a 10-speed, but shortly after I graduated, they replaced them all with autos. I'm glad I learned on a manual, and I wish I had the option to use manual.
Hey guys trucker from New Zealand here. We’re running Volvo trucks were I am with the 12 speed I-shift, absolutely fabulous transmission. I’ve driven all sorts from 18 speed Eaton fuller to synchro boxes and a range of AMTs. I drive off-road everyday in rain mud every condition possible and I have no problem getting my 46 tonne truck and trailer unit practically anywhere. Of course every job is different and requires trucks to be spec’d accordingly. I’ve heard that the Eaton ultra shift AMT is okay but nothing on the European stuff, and I really think you guys I’m the states would highly enjoy well spec’d European trucks. We run our trucks to 1.3-1.5 million kilometres original engine original gearbox just regular maintenance. Cheers for the videos on behalf of us kiwis!!
Hey Oliver, thanks for writing in! Appreciate the info on the Volvo I-shift. There seems to be quite a bit of European stuff that we never do get to see here. Scania has announced they're going to be selling trucks here in the next year or so, so at least we've got that to look forward to. Stay safe. I've always heard New Zealand is beautiful! Hope to see it one day!
I have a year of experience, I just went over to manual from automatic. I learned on a manual as well. I will never go back for my personal truck. However I do plan on buying my first truck and it being an automatic only because I am planning on putting someone in it after I save up to buy another truck.
Having had to drive a number of automatics for a few days or weeks at a time I would NEVER do it on a full time basis. I can accelerate faster than the automatic and look at them stuck in the snow or just dead on the road as the thing could not engage a gear. Lots of stories. But I must admit the Hino yes I said Hino automatics work well.
I drive exclusively in the Chicagoland area and recently switched over to a automatic transmission. So far so good. I tried an automatic years ago and the backing up issue was a real problem. It seems they have it worked out at least in the automatic that I’m currently driving. Backing up is incredibly smooth and you can lightly hit the dock
Does it have 2 reverse gears then, mine is jerky as hell when backing up, but I kinda use momentum/neutral to carry the truck to the dock from a couple of yards out and just using the brake to slow down.
Right now I haul groceries in a Ford Transit cutaway chassis with 14FT box. In the city/flat land/high traffic areas automatic is convenient. As soon as I go down them winding hills in Acton, Angus, Hamilton I flip that automatic transmission into the manual +/- position and downshift to help keep the speed down on those downhill grades. Even in a 9,900LB baby truck you need some way to keep your speed down, so if a fleet specs automatics for 80,000LB trucks, there better be an automated manual position so the driver can downshift and not cook their brakes....
I am a European skip driver. My truck is a manual. I prefer my old manual truck over the newer automatic skip trucks my company has. Only con is that driving the manual can become tiring in the city and tight spaces which is 95% of the time. I need all 4 limbs to drive this truck. When I drive the automatic trucks I do notice that my feet are more relaxed. after a day of climbing and driving. I can basically drive those wih one hand and one foot all day long and get less tired legs and feet. But I take the old manual truck over the new ones. It's a smaller and lower truck and can get into a lot of very tight spaces the newer ones can't. The Automatic Mercedes clutch is one of the worst I have used it usually engages at the wrong time when you need precision. The rest of the auto transmission drives like a dream it's really smooth. But this would be better suited to a truck that is constantly on the road. Althought the thing is smart enough to adapt to your driving style. So you can teach it when to shift or not to shift by driving it. Despite all that tech, with the manual I am always 100% in control. Which is important because sometimes I won't have an inch left for the truck to get to a skip. While the newer ones look way more impressive I prefer the older ugly duckling because it is way more suited for the job. It can also lift heavier skips so it is the perfect tool for my job. And shifting is a lot of fun.
I love manuals, but unfortunately I’m a regional driver in the northeast. Between today and yesterday, I went through NYC 4 times, spending almost an hour to travel 5 miles to the George Washington Bridge. I would hate life if I had to drive a manual in that.
Driving an automatic is like having someone that isn't even in the truck shift for you. Fuel mileage is an excuse companies use to put them in the trucks. A driver than knows what they are doing and has the right set up can get better fuel mileage than any automatic transmission can. The only benefit of automatics is companies dont have to find people who actually know how to drive a truck.
Statistics do not bear this out. My company, with 100 tractors and mostly experienced drivers, saw a significant gain in fuel mileage with automated. Other fleet studies have shown similar results. There surely could be instances where a driver with a manual could do better...but many drivers are not quite as good as they think they are.
I deliver fuel to stations in the Midwest in an automatic on slippery super singles and its not a big deal at all. I dont even notice the difference anymore and I prefer the auto when sitting in traffic.
I was one that mentioned my arthritic left knee in my original comment the other day. However, the clutch in my Classic isn't the cause. I blew my knee playing high school football in the 80s and it's just gotten worse over the years. I'll always prefer a manual transmission but, I fear that I may have to go to an Ultra-Shift if I ever spec a new tractor.
You might just like them im a old school driver to, I've pulled a 5 axle dump trailer with a mack with a M drive auto and it was smooth as smooth can be especially on the hills
Im in cdl school atm and i have to say we are learning in a manual and whenever i practice any maneuvers in the auto it just feels like i have way less control of the speed.
The terminology of what manufacturers use to define their transmissions vary. Automatic transmissions for many heavy vehicles in urban service (refuse, cement mixer, bus) were those 4, 5 or 6-speed planetary transmissions with a torque converter (such as Allison, Voith and ZF). Automatic transmissions for semi trucks were described on product brochures (Volvo iShift, and... ZF) as "Automated Transmissions" with 10 and 13 speeds, no torque converter, the same clutches internally as on a manual but electronically-controlled and no clutch pedal in the cab. Confusingly, some drivers referred to these as "semi-automatic" transmissions.
Yes. I think there may be a lot of cross confusion here in the conversation if not clarifying which transmission is being praised or bashed. I have been bashing the 10/13 speed auto shift which has a load of issues. The Allison can be driven easily with 2 feet.
I used to drive a 2007 automatic many years ago.... then 8 years of manual... back to auto in 2016...... 1000% difference between the old auto and newer auto... newer huge improvement but there is no comparison between auto and manual for driver control!
with how jerky the autos move....yeah that kind of load would be very shifty I had to train in an automatic and I'd still take a manual any day and I'm not familiar with manual transmissions in trucks (I've some experience with manuals in cars and other personal vehicles but that's a bit different)
Drove an automatic pulling a tank for a bit and was blown away by how easy it made the shifts. Sloshing back and forth never screwed up it finding a gear. I felt like it was a lot easier on the drivetrain.
I agree with only some of your points of view. I drove stick for over 20 years. So I understand their benefits. However I bought a 2016 Western Star 5700XE with the Detroit Auto Manual. I run AB to AZ, TX, and CA. Lots of mountain driving. Yes, it took me a long time to "re-learn" driving habits with the auto-manual. But when in manual mode, I have the same if not better control than a stick. I am old school, like yourself, but am experienced enough to be able master and control ANY vehicle in ANY condition. So, losing control in an auto shift over stick shift is a myth. I suggest you try and master an auto shift and make your own comparison. PS, I am an OO reefer unit.
In my personal experience with the "20 cascadia I drive for Local, LTL trucking in the l.a. orange county, Riverside/ San Bernardino area is that I hated it at first, but at the end of the day it Saves you from a lot of fatigue and you feel better better when you go home, No more tennis elbow from shifting, and it's very smart too if you're light or empty it starts off in 5th or higher, if you're heavy it uses all the low gears and the engine brake works good I'd have to say I'm a fan.
Love the video 👍🤠. I have been driving auto shift 10 years now! 1st 1 was Volvo. It had a clutch pedal which you only used to put truck in 1st gear and reverse gear! Feathering capability! Only serious issues with it was an over RPM down hill, down shift! Now Freightliner cascadia auto shift no clutch pedal! Feathering is still possible using fuel pedal! It doesn’t take long for the clutch to over heat! But you can pump a doc softly, however backing into parking or doc where you need to feather it could take enough time to get clutch hot do to being cautious and taking your time! If clutch overheating warning in dash comes on , you will have to stop and wait for it to cool before continuing! Rocking is still possible, it’s just a matter of getting use to the transmission engagement timing! It’s not difficult!
I’m a brand new driver got my class A last Thursday. If it’s not a 10 speed I don’t want it, I use to hate driving manual transmission. Now its like a drug, I love it gives you more to do if you sit there for so many hours.. yes I have a trillion things to learn but as a brand new driver I’m going with my 10 speed
I think that the automatic are worse going downhill when you need a jake because they like to keep the RPM so low so it's hard to get it slowed down enough to downshift to where the Jake will actually kick in and also personally I like the stick better of course in high traffic you don't like clutching but I like to stick better you seem like you got more control over the weight and what the truck does on an incline or going down a hill along with the Jakes I prefer a stick over an automatic even though I've driven both
Pretty much all of the negatives concerning truck autos, especially with regard to the drivers, could also be said about automobile ATs. I've seen 'drivers" reading books, sending/reading texts, putting on makeup,...Distracted driving isn't driving. The day after I got my motorcycle license, I decided it would make sense for everybody to get one BEFORE getting a cage license as it teaches you to be a more observant driver. Hell, your life depends upon knowing not only where everybody else is, but also anticipating where they might go.
Manual I have a tractor forklift on the back of my semi and I deliver residential and new sub division and is too hard to navigate through hills and traffic lights on hills ( NZ Roads) auto is good for heavy traffic but I still use tiptronic if forced to drive auto
The gear jammer special please!! I have a reason for my preference, other than it's what I've been driving for 30 yrs, it's more about safety. My truck was in the shop in Dallas, Texas and I leased a tractor, the only thing available had an automatic, to finish my load up to Tulsa. It was snowing and the roads were pretty slick. The autoshift downshifted when I was expecting it and sent me into a skid. I put it in neutral and got it under control. I was picking the drivers seat out of my butt afterwards! This is why I prefer Manuel.
You’re awesome my friend! I remember watching my Dad reaching through the steering wheel to shift his 5&4.. old school!! Technology has come a long way!
how many guys here would hang in this career with twin sticks.very few but once you get the feel you feel proud of yourself/ that never wears away something you never forger/.and it becomes part of your everyday soul and your proud of it.auto would be like wearing flopflops omg!!/back in the day we wore cowboyboots i refused the cowboy hat,standard is awesomew!!!!
I'm on Vancouver Island here, and you are so right, I unhooked my trailer at the shipyard in the snow in this 2016 automatic volvo, and then got stuck under my trailer in the snow because theres was no weight under my drives to give me traction, and like you said about being able to rock out of the snow with a manual, I could not. I tossed the chains on top of them drives, smashed the gas, tires threw the chains quickly under the truck just to pop me out of the hole under my trailer lol!
I've never driven a truck, but I do prefer manual transmission for my cars. Some of the comments on manual shifting here can be applied to cars as well. There is a "feel" of control(or lack of) during certain situations depending on the transmission. Good take buddy!
the guy who hauls out of our plant in eastern Canada started on stick, and now with a few years in a automatic prefers the automatic especially in snowstorms. he did say standards more fun to drive.
You are suppose to drive the autoshift down the hills just like you do on a manual. You gear down in the manual mode the same way as you approach the downward hill. Never had an issue on ice and snow in the mountains if i was in the proper gear loaded for the grade and conditions. Most manuals now are air assist over hydraulic clutches so they are way easier on the legs and knees. I drove both for a while and it seems the manuals are still preferable if you want to stay running and out of the shop
The acceleration thing is funny to me. That's where all the fuel gets wasted that these big companies say the automatics save. They do kinda shift progressive, and I guess getting automatics is easier than trying to teach new hires to shift at 1400, then keep shifting at 1400 when nobody else is in the truck
I was a "new hire" and I still hated trying the automatic. it has its uses but I'd rather be fully in-tune with my truck and focused on it and the road. even my trainer was messing with his phone thanks to the automatic transmission. pretty cool podcasts and whatnot but totally unnecessary. I like peace and quiet while driving so I can listen for air leaks and other issues that are aggravating on the system
No stick, one stick, one stick with a spliter, 2 sticks All the above YES. id run a 3 stick if needed. But give me a day to get good, ive never ran a 3 stick yet. If the truck makes you money Drive on You truck driver. As a trainer myself an automatic is one less thing the trainee has to worry about and i have to teach. But its a restriction on your license. The freight i haul, new truck, old truck, Manual or auto. Its still 6 mpg on the high side. 5 mpg is avg. Fleet wide. Lots of intercity and 2 lane mtn roads, tri axle bias ply tube tires. Big heavy square boxes. Left foot on the brakes right foot on the gas when backing. For a smooth docking experience. Takes a little practice.
Manual transmission is my preference even in my personal vehicles and the day the company I work for replaces my truck and I get told I have to drive an automatic is the day I hang up the keys for that company.
I drive a 13 speed manual and in a previous job I drove a 13 speed auto and I do not miss the auto and some of the places I go to load a auto will not cut it
Knees hurting? My cruise control doesn't work so occasionally my right knee gets a little sore because I can't move it. But never once has the clutch given me any sort of pain. Any way that you can get rid of some electronics on your truck, do it!
I started off driving 10 speeds and now I'm in a 2018 Cascadia with an Auto. The Auto has been fine in inclement weather, and it does have a manual mode which I use 80% or more of the time. Also a recent update to the computer for the transmission will automatically downshift while in manual mode to help prevent lugging the engine, especially in slow backed up traffic in the low gears. Backing into docks is a nuisance with the auto, it either doesn't want to go or it wants to lurch when I want to crawl.. As to what I prefer, if I go O/O relatively soon I'd go with a 18 speed. I'm in a lot of situations at customers where I just need to be able to crawl. Autos wouldn't be so bad if they could sort out the slow speed maneuvering and gear selection. More often than not it won't sense right away that I've been loaded and keeps wanting to Start off in too high of a gear, or I'll be backing into a spot at a truckstop and it'll go into high reverse. Just a lot of little annoyances that get under my skin after awhile. As for fuel economy, I averaged about the same with the 10 speed as I did with the 12 speed auto. For now presented with the choice, I'd take the manual over the Auto. So far my only experience with an Auto has been in this 2018 Cascadia I'm in for the past 2 years almost. I'm only 30 and with 6 years of experience so far. I did Dryvan/Reefer for 2 years after getting my CDL with Celedon, and for the past 4 years I've been doing Flatbed/Glass with Combined Transport.
As a 24yr exp mostly OTR driver who learned manual before the autos became common,I love a manual.Just fits me better.A natural feel that's missing right now as I hopefully temporarily drive this auto.Im looking forward to getting back in a manual as soon as one is available.
I've been driving 35 years pulling mainly super bs with 18 manual last few years have been ultra shift eighteen there both very I usually run the autoshift in manual due to the terain I run hwy 3 in bc canada you have to have good repair with your shop tech cause there are so many changes you can make in the auto shift which I like both but prefer the auto shift haven't had any issues great video
You pretty much summed it up well Dave. I myself would rather drive the automatic. The biggest reason for me is that the damn stick isn’t in the middle of the cab, so I don’t have this giant obstruction in the middle of my living room! In my experience, I have never slam the dock with my automatic; the transmission has a creeper mode both forward and reverse so that I can use the break to control the speed just like pulling a car in and out of a garage. You’re absolutely right about not being able to rock a automatic transmission that’s stuck in mud or snow. As for repair cost, just as with automobiles, I believe the truck transmissions, Including automatics, are probably going to be some of the most reliable pieces of equipment on the truck. Our company has an experienced a transmission breakdown of an automatic in the five years that I have been with damn, damn not damn oh this is precious Dave I said damn THEM. Another situation where a lie makes it around the world before the truth makes it to Pizza Hut! Will be there Thursday Dave, hopefully I’ll be there on Wednesday, I’m losing my mind. Best to all as always
I drove an automatic for years. You can still feather the clutch, but you do it through the accelerator pedal. It's weird, it's impossible to teach to a rookie, but it works. You can bump the dock softly with it, you can back up in a tight space slowly with it, but it takes a lot more practice than a manual does.
The first generation of automatics were a real work in progress. I hated them. They are getting better. I still prefer the manual for various reasons but the automatics are nice if you are doing a lot stop and go driving. They can also be a career extender for a driver with a worm out left knee.
I haul flatbed out west with an auto. Been up and down all the big hills like cabbage and donnor. Its a learning curve but once ya get used to it it works fine. I drove a 10 speed for 4 years before my company went all auto. I wasn't happy about it but learned some things. Number 1: when bumping a dock apply very light throttle pressure and feather the brake like a clutch. This will ease ya in same as a manual. Number 2: if ya lose traction throw it in neutral. It works the same as pushing the clutch 😁
For our company we've found that the amount of drivers that, despite what the driver tells us, way more drivers can drive an automatic well than a manual. So we primarily have manuals, but we will make exceptions and but manuals for our drivers that have been with us for a while and have proven to be great drivers.
The manuals are a must you have to be in control a large heavy truck automatics are a disaster there is no comparison the best stick to learn on is a fuller 7 speed or Mack 5 spd maxitorque both are simple no range change or splitting gears
Manual or Auto? I’ve just come to accept that since I’m a company driver in many circumstances I don’t really get a say as to what I choose to drive. It’s gotten past the point where manual trucks are becoming more expensive to produce and sell because manufacturers aren’t producing as many of them in the first place. Pretty soon whether any of us agree or not will get an automatic because many new drivers now days haven’t learned how to drive manuals. Personally I’ll drive either or.
From what I understand it is the application for use heavy haul, construction and so on are best served by a manual, long miles on highways automated, in city automatic there is a video talking about each from a Kenworth dealer he talks about different applications and uses for each. There are alot of trucks hauling chips pulp and so on near me all are manual but most fleets are automated now I do agree that manual requires more focus I am in cdl school at the moment learning on manual transmissions and while I am happy to learning on one I really want an automated when I get in the field for now that might change at some point
I am driving a 2015 Brainshaker Crashcadia, the only one that I've had with an automated transmission. As soon as I get the truck paid off I am dumping it for a Peterbilt with an Eaton-Fuller 18-speed. The only transmission I've been happy with.
Steep inclines & Donner Pass situations....It's always gonna be Standards(Stick Shift) for Me ; learned on some ornery rigs but shifting is a life long skill....it's unadulterated pure trucking, Period. The Old timers taught Me on manuals(Standard) & I'm sticking with Em'. All State Career Grad 2013', Otr/Northeast Regional Driver.
Hey there Big Strapper. Thanks for dropping by to check out today's upload. Well what's your preference? Automatic or the GearJammer's Special (A Manual?) Love to hear your take on your preference and WHY!
Automatic is kinda dangerous because if you loose your air pressure you have no control of the tractor can’t even use jakes to loose speed not to mention when trying to park your down 20 psi and half to wait for it to build up air
To shift! And my reasoning is because its easier to slow down on a hill and it just feels natural
Dave this topic "grinds my gears" (lol) I will say automatics have their place in trucking, but not for everything. I ran for tmc, doing regular regional flatbed. The truck I had had the x15 450hp, with a eaton fuller 10 speed ultrashift. It's wasn't a bad transmission, it just wasn't ment for general flatbed. It wouldn't hold me back going through Appalachian passes with anything weighing over 43k.
I was impressed with it's acceleration though, but that's it. It was not, at all a vocational transmission. I got stuck in snow empty, on I 68 in Maryland because I stopped for a car stuck in a drift. And go figure the transmission had a override, when you try to use manual mode to get out.
In my opinion, if I had to pick between 389 with a cat c15 550hp 18 speed ultra shift, and a 450hp freightshaker with a 10 speed standard, to do heavy hual I'd choose the 10 speed everytime. Because I just don't trust the computer overrides, that automatic transmissions have.
But also preference, I like to shift it's gives me something to do. Automatic is nice in traffic, but for goin to work 💪 I want my heavy duty standard transmissions
Auto actually. Only been trucking for about 2 years. I drive a standard only when the auto is in the shop. Never learned downshifting too well on steep hills. Hate being hard on the transmition and grinding gears, so I prefer automatic. We have some rentals that shift much slower than a manual (but are automatic) 2-3 seconds per shift. If everything is broke and I'm driving a rental, I'd prefer a manual trans.
I switched to trucking after getting laid off from an I.T job. It has been two years and I love trucking. I have never driven automatic cars/trucks. I got few lessons in manual. I just hated it. I prefer and LOVE automatics :)
27 years driving. Spent 25 on a manual hauling tridems. Switched to Volvo Ishift with the shifter control beside the seat. I’ll never go back to manual. In snow and on slippery roads I switch it to manual shift mode and take full control of every shift. Same control as a manual with out the clutch. No issues backing into loading docks. Do it everyday.
I drove a manual for 24 years. I have an auto now and while it was an adjustment, I did get used to it. As long as you can put it in manual and control it I like it. The way the jakes work with the cruise control and transmission is seamless. I think if you're a good driver you can get used to anything and adjust. 🤷♂️
I bought an automatic. First one I had ever driven. Took some getting used to, many things I don't like, but overall I would prefer it for everyday driving. 808,000 miles and it's never missed a beat. At the end of the day a CDL holder should be able to drive anything.
I will agree with you, alot of guys think you have to drive stick to be a truck driver. I don't agree with that personally. You just have to be good at driving your equipment, like a professional regardless of what it is.
Many "CDL" holders can't drive anything. They test on an automatic they are restricted to driving an automatic
what year is the truck?
Manual all the way. Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity! One less computer, and a whole lot less sensors to leave me stranded. I don't even like automatics in 4 wheelers.
Automatic are better in traffic
Great video !! 1st load 9/17/2001 and I will NOT drive automatic trucks ever again. I driven 2 of them for a combined time of 17 months. Standard transmissions are the safest way in rocky mountains. GOD BLESS
Manual all day, everyday. Something about grabbing gears that are just so satisfying. Not to mention, complete control over what gear you need to be in over what gear a computer THINKS you should be in.
I have absolutely no issues on snow or ice with an automatic transmission. Do what you want and what you feel comfortable with. I'll never drive anything but automatics. I learned on a manual by the way.
Okay, it sounds like you just cant shift worth a damn.
@@Tyler-xe1es people have their preferences dude. I drive a 13 speed and I can imagine driving an automatic sure as heck will make things easier. Stop being a dick.
Are you kidding me? Most of time the tires are spinning when you take off which is a huge problem especially if you're taking off downhill
@@christineluke6429 LOL, of course it will spin, if you can't control your foot.
That's because you aren't really in winter weather all season. There is no way you could roll up on 4 sets of 3 rail chains with an automatic without spinning at least 3 of them off. You just don't have control with an auto.
Automatics are great IN THE CITY, where almost all the roads are nice and flat and there are plenty of red lights. However, out on the highways, with the mountains, curves, and weather, give me a manual 18-speed any day of the week. I believe I have much more control on hills (up and down) and driving in general with a manual. Yes. I know automatics can be put into Manual mode, but I don't trust the computer to not upshift when it thinks the rpms are getting too high. As you know, the higher the rpms are the better the engine brake works
Backing into the dock is much easier (for me) with a manual than it is an automatic. A driver can "feather" the clutch if needed, and manuals can often crawl back at idle where most automatics won't - the driver has to feather the throttle.
Maintenance, there's no comparison - the manual seldom breaks and it has few if any sensors. Automatics have several sensors that have a nasty habit of sending false codes or the sensors outright fail.
All in all, I'll take a manual (preferably an 18 Spd) over an automatic.
@Kent R: you’re damn right and well articulated!
@KentR I agree 100%, well stated sir. 👍
I drive a 2020 860Volvo with I-Shift...silky smooth and can be feathered at half baby's crawl speed ✌
The autos will downshift to redline, they do suck when they don’t have manual mode.
I agree eaton fuller s 10 speed ultratshift is trash. doesn't like to rock when stuck in snow, doesn't like to creep when off pavement and heavy, doesn't like to hold the truck back when down hill. ("Thats what the Jake is for") trust me, there's a difference.
I would not trust my life to an automatic, pulling permitted coil loads weighing up to 84k. My 13 speed works just fine
Driving for an LTL freight carrier in the city, I’ll take a manual transmission every time. Try pulling out in city traffic waiting for an automatic finally move, good luck with that. Bumping docks all day, manual transmission is the only way to go.
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I drive garbage trucks, and when you have to stop and start up to 1500 times in a day you become VERY grateful for an automatic. However I got my class A license with a manual transmission and when I finally go OTR I'll definitely want a manual. But I feel like a lot of kids nowadays who get into trucking prefer an auto just because they're too lazy or too scared to learn the clutch.
Or maybe it’s because we go to a school that has nothing but autos an we don’t get a choice an that’s what you test with an that’s what your restricted to unless you can somehow find time an learn to almost perfection to shift a manual trans truck on your home time that you’d rather spend with your family or work on you vehicles by no means are we “all lazy” autos are just what everyone’s going to an id like to have a little bit of a life for the few days that I get off every 1-2 months I’d rather take the thousand or so it costs to rent an learn a standard an use it to further my fixing up of my car auto does just fine especially in reefer or dry or flatbed except liquid an autos are great in traffic jams an town where we seem to catch every red possible it’s obvious that the ones liking standard trans trucks are the older drivers that are stuck in there ways an avoid today’s technology only tech we should all avoid is those autonomous truck going to be blind every time dust or snow gets on that front sensor 😎✌️
So you've never used a manual OTR and you're labeling those that *are* on the road using an auto as kids that are scared and lazy? Interesting.
Are you the driver who Is stuck to the seat and never helps the poor helper on the back ?
For 30 yrs I’ve driven standard trans. Now stuck in an auto and I despise it.
Did 13 in a manual, 3 in an auto. As long as they don’t turn off manual mode I don’t mind so much.
U drive for a living 11 hours a day,why would anyone want to add more work to ur job
@@joshkrause2977 I doupt they'll ever do that, the manual setting is very useful for some situations if you have to predict which gear you need to be in. Just like with a standard.
What does bug me the most is the slowness of the gear shifting with trucks, coming from high performance motorbikes(pocket rocket) for 20 years before I got onto trucking.
I'm starting my 2nd year now with trucking without accidents/mishaps, who would have known that having your life on the line 24/7 while driving bikes would be a good introduction into trucking.
The company I run for is switching to auto's because the noobs keep tearing up the manuals.
Manuel, only deal with a worn clutch. An auto, is the clutch and the electronics and actuators. Saw a broke down truck at the fuel pumps, had to be towed, the actuators stopped working and would not go into gear.
Always Shift, Always Old School, Always Stick! Shift and don’t get lazy!!!
It dont make you lazy just because you're doing an unnecessary step. Dont try to make yourself feel important by comparing extra tasks that you choose to give yourself when a more simpler option is available.
@@khashiemkarriem You just proved Nick Prick's point when you said "simpler"...in this case, simpler equals lazy.
I'm 46, 30 years ago, yes 16 y/o, I learned in a 4 and 4 two stick. Most door swingers today can't even figure an auto shift out. Today's driver's are not truck drivers, there door swinging seat warmers.
I pull a Tank and I would much rather have a manual than an automatic
Same. The surge can confuse autos
@@Jon_E That's a full automatic transmission with a torque converter? Not the computer controlled "auto shifters"?
Trained on manual and while I like it. I dig my Auto
When I had an automatic, backing into a dock was hard to control. With a clutch, I control how slow I actually bump the dock. An automatic had me slamming into the dock or only moving an inch cuz i was always scared of how much force on the accelerator I was using
And like Dave said, everyone on the dock thought you were a rookie! 🤣 I’d end up doing the exact same thing...
In a manual, I can always back to a trailer and get a gentle click of the jaws around the pin, in an automatic, even when trying to be as gentle as possible, they often jump and slam into the trailer knocking all my crap onto the cab floor.
I missed that so much going from the manuals at my school to the automatic at my company. The manual made it so easy to inch the truck back or forwards, but it is a pain in the ass in an automatic. Moving a couple of inches is so much easier easing on or off the clutch than feathering the brake pedal.
Yes, I drive two footed on an automatic to dock and hook. Its retarded but it works, gas and break same time.
When I got my CDL I tested with a 13 spd, I drive a 02 frieghtliner classic a automatic that has a clutch, it'd still prefer the 13 speed but I'm not going to complian
I just finished my CDL training last November, but I drove a 10-speed for the 5 months I was there, and after driving "automatic" trucks for about a month at work, I can already say that I would only ever buy a truck with a clutch pedal.
Personally, I am of the opinion that the biggest reason companies buy them is so they can hire anybody who walks in off the street. Then, they go and complain that those people are on their phone while driving, not paying attention to anything. I wonder why . . .
Bingo
And the excuse if "better fuel mileage"
Most trucking schools are 3_5 weeks I would have like to had 5 months
I agree with your point about every new driver learning to drive a stick!! I like a standard transmission better because I feel that I have better control of the truck!!
All good points Dave what I don't like a about them is the ability for companies are able to put drivers in trucks that have no business being behind the wheel and look around and see what the industry has turned into IMO
I learned that and I'm just starting out....something felt wrong when I made my first attempt....world's definitely changed and not for the better
I've been driving for 27 years. I've driven 18, 13, 10, Super 10, 8 speed, clutched auto shift and fully auto shift. I prefer the auto shifts. I've never had issues with any of the ones I've drove. I have driven 48 states and 3 provinces in Canada in all types of weather. I now drive local with mountain driving in KY, WV, TN, NC and upper GA. City traffic in Atlanta and Raleigh.
As far as the knee problems I've driven trucks with a clutch so hard it felt like I was having to stand on the pedal to mash it. Yes, those will kill you left knee.
I've never slam the dock when backing. All you fave to do is feather the throttle like a clutch.
Driving in snow has never been an issue.
Driving down a steep grade just select a gear like you do in a stick. But unlike a stick if you find yourself in a gear to low you just upshift and not worry about missing.
Thanks for writing in! Good comments!
As a European driver if I had to make the choice between a automatic or manual I don't really know what to choose, I've driven both, if you want the ultimate driving experience go for automatic, in Europe automatic transmissions are cheaper than manuals and only one truck manufacturer still makes them and that is Scania, I mean out here manuals are almost a thing of the past and that's why owner operators like to buy a scania with a manual transmission, you need to understand that in Europe a manual transmission is a synchronized transmission so you don't have to double clutch it's just the same as in a car, if I where a owner operator, I would definitely not know what to choose, these automatics are so advanced that there is basically no comparison possible, look at Volvo and their transmission, with the dual clutch, that's the smoothest transmission in a truck, you can just ease on the throttle like its a clutch that's how smooth it is, same with scania automatic transmissions, they even have driving modes that you can select, eco, normal, power, off-road, with off-road it really limits spinning wheels, they even have a option for a clutch on a automatic transmission, if you want to use it, you can and if you don't want to use it or don't need it you don't, but specially in tight situations or trying to get unstuck, there's just no comparing possible between a automatic or manual, my preference is probably manual but then again it's just the feeling you get from it and it lasts longer, I've heard in a Volvo you have to change the clutch every 400.000 km in a automatic, because they shift so fast to save fuel and to be smooth, so that would probably be a no-go, unless it's under warranty, but if I want to have all the driving comfort that they can offer I would most certainly pick a automatic.
In Europe it's quite simple to choose. I haven't even seen a new truck with manual as an option.
@@simonnyman9031 I've seen quite a few of them but only scanias
All those trucks are trash. Hoods only. None of that oversized minivan crap
If you have to ask me that's the easy question?? I will choose manual but I understand automatic clearly is better in traffic..
The chances of someone stealing a manual truck is a lot less than an automatic.
About the same with cars now too.
Learned on manual but most of my time is in an automatic. I dont see an issue in different weather. I still have control of it so long as I'm behind the wheel. And its like you said, I didn't get too much training on manual enough to be comfortable,so dealing with stressing about getting it in proper gear, on top of being 100% aware of things around me just doesn't feel safe at all. I'm safest when I can concentrate on the road around me.
I've drove all 3 and I can tell you this I'd never own a automactic but I have time for the eaton 18 speed ultrashift, we do most short haul, heavy or oversized loads in urban settings very little freeway hauling. We have 2 trucks one with the 18 manual and one ultrashift as we fight over you gets to drive the ualtrshift it is so nice in town where you spend more time looking in your mirrors then the windshield. Have Eaton out and have them program the ultrshift for your trucking requirements and that Transmission will do everything and more your manual can do I was closed minded to the automated so that's a statement I thought I'd never make.
With my experience comparing auto's to manuals, give me a manual any day! A lot more control in gearing ie, skip shifting, taking off in a higher gear when empty and a hell of a lot cheaper when repairs are required. I have seen auto trucks shut down on a freeway for no reason! Creates dangerous situations
A problem we have with the auto shift at the local company I work for is if my 10 speed has a problem I can usually limp it back to the shop, when the guys in the auto shift trucks have a problem the truck won’t even go in gear they have to call a wrecker to come swap trucks out with them.
Although they have improved, I still don’t like the way the automatic transmission backs up.
Especially getting under a trailer 😂. Given myself a few headaches. If only Mack could install a crawl feature that detects the weight. Or just in general, a hooking mode.
Manual. Love the challenge and control. When you get good at it, it’s like harmony. Let’s you appreciate the drive that much more.
What I did was get my license with an automatic restriction and saw the diminishing of job opportunities. Once I had my restriction removed, all of a sudden, job offers flooded in.
I drove manual and currently drive automatic. Can say I genuinely miss stick because it was just more fun lol. But I'm in NYC everyday so I'll definitely take the automatic.
I bet!
Absolutely 💯 automatic trucks 🚚 definitely feels like it wanna jack in the curb
I drove a '96 379 with a DD 60 Series and an 18 speed for my last boss and now I drive a '17 Cascadia with a DD15 and an auto for myself. My driving habits are consistent between the those 2 trucks other than the obvious differences in shifting.
I pull a flatbed and 48k and under loads with a lot of it being oilfield industry from pipe to chemicals to pumpjacks and the rest being wallboard, lumber and bagged sand for the most part.
My fuel mileage is consistently 1-1.5 mpg higher with the automatic. That's clearly significant and I'm not childish enough to bash on autos and try to degrade other drivers that use one just because I drove a manual for most of my career.
I appreciate your not bashing auto drivers. I just got my cdl. Of course i learned and am driving an auto cascadia. I feel inferior driving an automatic. I have always driven manual cars. I can feel the lack of control in the auto truck. It seems to have a mind of its own. But I just keep telling myself, I'm not doing this to be cool. I'm trying to make a living. So all in all, I don't care what I'm driving. If I'm getting paid to drive it, I'm happy.
In the army, we had FLD Freightliner cabovers, with true automatic trans, you had to check the tranny fluid, it had a oil pan, hooked to a detroit. These automatic standard shift, computer shifted trucks are hard to get used to, they do shift perfect, raising and lowering the rpm perfectly. And you can eat a sandwich in heavy traffic! I still prefer to work while driving a truck, not just sit there, that's a standard preference for me.
My biggest beef with the auto-trans is the lack of fine control on backing up. Other than that they do have some real advantages.
Manual is the way to go.....
I just removed the auto restriction from my license and the manual is a lot more fun to drive, unfortinately the manuals only co.e in older truvks now
I’ve driven multiple manual and automatic trucks doing different jobs from reefer to rgn and I tell you an automatic can do any job a manual can. And automatics have their place in trucking. That being said I prefer and currently drive a 13 speed manual.
Definitely only buy a manual but if a company truck has a automatic what the heck they can pay to fix the damn thing and pay you for down time The only upside of a automatic is more time to shop for Adidas track suits flip-flops and driving gloves Lol🤣
They will pay to get it towed drom their own pocket in case the actuators stop working 😅
These are very good points made in this video. I have always driven a manual transmission truck, and that's all I want to drive. I drove an automatic once for a few months, and you're right. In certain situations, you really don't feel as though you have full control over the vehicle.
I'm in a rental auto right now as I watch this. While I agree, a truck isn't a race car. But my manual will smoke this auto.
Docking is still a huge issue for me with these auto's. I'm supposed to be getting a new truck next month. I want to keep my manual.
Here's another thing,and it may not be that big of an issue now due to the driver shortage. But pay scale may differ if all a guy can drive is a automatic Dave.
I'm in training right now. Working my through 18 speed has slowed me down, and glad for it. Even with a high number of traffic lights in the area I'll be sticking to slow and smooth. Manual shifting gets my vote.
I may not have been at this as long as some, but I prefer the manual transmissions. I feel like I can be in control of the truck and inclement weather. It has scared the hell out of me to drive with chains on in an automatic.
Been driving 25 years...
I'm shifting a manual in the oilfield 95% of the time these days, & that's my preference. What I've noticed with automated transmissions is that I feel 'disconnected' from the road- especially in low traction situations. I absolutely HATE how they feel like they slide into neutral at low speeds.
Also with the fully automated air-actuated trannys in sub-zero weather... you can't use A.B.C. in the air system because it deteriorates the o-rings.
Thanks for posting this. I'm a 2-year driver now. My company trained me on a 10-speed, but shortly after I graduated, they replaced them all with autos. I'm glad I learned on a manual, and I wish I had the option to use manual.
Everything you said is spot on. I have drove both and i absolutely HATE the autos. for the very reasons you just spoke of.
Hey guys trucker from New Zealand here. We’re running Volvo trucks were I am with the 12 speed I-shift, absolutely fabulous transmission. I’ve driven all sorts from 18 speed Eaton fuller to synchro boxes and a range of AMTs. I drive off-road everyday in rain mud every condition possible and I have no problem getting my 46 tonne truck and trailer unit practically anywhere. Of course every job is different and requires trucks to be spec’d accordingly. I’ve heard that the Eaton ultra shift AMT is okay but nothing on the European stuff, and I really think you guys I’m the states would highly enjoy well spec’d European trucks. We run our trucks to 1.3-1.5 million kilometres original engine original gearbox just regular maintenance. Cheers for the videos on behalf of us kiwis!!
Hey Oliver, thanks for writing in! Appreciate the info on the Volvo I-shift. There seems to be quite a bit of European stuff that we never do get to see here. Scania has announced they're going to be selling trucks here in the next year or so, so at least we've got that to look forward to. Stay safe. I've always heard New Zealand is beautiful! Hope to see it one day!
If I owned a truck, no way it would be an automatic
Now there's an informed opinion lol
I have a year of experience, I just went over to manual from automatic. I learned on a manual as well. I will never go back for my personal truck. However I do plan on buying my first truck and it being an automatic only because I am planning on putting someone in it after I save up to buy another truck.
Having had to drive a number of automatics for a few days or weeks at a time I would NEVER do it on a full time basis. I can accelerate faster than the automatic and look at them stuck in the snow or just dead on the road as the thing could not engage a gear.
Lots of stories. But I must admit the Hino yes I said Hino automatics work well.
They get stuck on their own shadow! I had to get pulled out of a parking lot and two docks . That's why I keep a chain in the truck
I drive exclusively in the Chicagoland area and recently switched over to a automatic transmission. So far so good. I tried an automatic years ago and the backing up issue was a real problem. It seems they have it worked out at least in the automatic that I’m currently driving. Backing up is incredibly smooth and you can lightly hit the dock
Does it have 2 reverse gears then, mine is jerky as hell when backing up, but I kinda use momentum/neutral to carry the truck to the dock from a couple of yards out and just using the brake to slow down.
Right now I haul groceries in a Ford Transit cutaway chassis with 14FT box. In the city/flat land/high traffic areas automatic is convenient. As soon as I go down them winding hills in Acton, Angus, Hamilton I flip that automatic transmission into the manual +/- position and downshift to help keep the speed down on those downhill grades. Even in a 9,900LB baby truck you need some way to keep your speed down, so if a fleet specs automatics for 80,000LB trucks, there better be an automated manual position so the driver can downshift and not cook their brakes....
I am a European skip driver. My truck is a manual. I prefer my old manual truck over the newer automatic skip trucks my company has. Only con is that driving the manual can become tiring in the city and tight spaces which is 95% of the time. I need all 4 limbs to drive this truck. When I drive the automatic trucks I do notice that my feet are more relaxed. after a day of climbing and driving. I can basically drive those wih one hand and one foot all day long and get less tired legs and feet.
But I take the old manual truck over the new ones. It's a smaller and lower truck and can get into a lot of very tight spaces the newer ones can't. The Automatic Mercedes clutch is one of the worst I have used it usually engages at the wrong time when you need precision. The rest of the auto transmission drives like a dream it's really smooth. But this would be better suited to a truck that is constantly on the road. Althought the thing is smart enough to adapt to your driving style. So you can teach it when to shift or not to shift by driving it.
Despite all that tech, with the manual I am always 100% in control. Which is important because sometimes I won't have an inch left for the truck to get to a skip. While the newer ones look way more impressive I prefer the older ugly duckling because it is way more suited for the job. It can also lift heavier skips so it is the perfect tool for my job. And shifting is a lot of fun.
Automatic all the way.
Like anything, practice makes better.
Absolutely hate shifting.
I love manuals, but unfortunately I’m a regional driver in the northeast. Between today and yesterday, I went through NYC 4 times, spending almost an hour to travel 5 miles to the George Washington Bridge. I would hate life if I had to drive a manual in that.
I would hate life if I had to drive in NYC as much as you do! 😂
Driving an automatic is like having someone that isn't even in the truck shift for you.
Fuel mileage is an excuse companies use to put them in the trucks. A driver than knows what they are doing and has the right set up can get better fuel mileage than any automatic transmission can. The only benefit of automatics is companies dont have to find people who actually know how to drive a truck.
Very accurate
Statistics do not bear this out.
My company, with 100 tractors and mostly experienced drivers, saw a significant gain in fuel mileage with automated.
Other fleet studies have shown similar results.
There surely could be instances where a driver with a manual could do better...but many drivers are not quite as good as they think they are.
I deliver fuel to stations in the Midwest in an automatic on slippery super singles and its not a big deal at all.
I dont even notice the difference anymore and I prefer the auto when sitting in traffic.
Pretty much nail on the head take them automatic out of trucks it would be a instant driver shortage
My favorite part about some truckers is that they think they are better at driving because they shift all day lol
I was one that mentioned my arthritic left knee in my original comment the other day. However, the clutch in my Classic isn't the cause. I blew my knee playing high school football in the 80s and it's just gotten worse over the years. I'll always prefer a manual transmission but, I fear that I may have to go to an Ultra-Shift if I ever spec a new tractor.
You might just like them im a old school driver to, I've pulled a 5 axle dump trailer with a mack with a M drive auto and it was smooth as smooth can be especially on the hills
Maybe you should learn how to float gears. Then you only need your knee 10% of the time. Just sayin’.
The 10 speed Ultrashift ain't bad, it's just not as vocational as a standard is
Im in cdl school atm and i have to say we are learning in a manual and whenever i practice any maneuvers in the auto it just feels like i have way less control of the speed.
6&4 Transmissions. Learned on them back in the 70s and still have them in my 2017 389 PETERBILT Glider.
The terminology of what manufacturers use to define their transmissions vary. Automatic transmissions for many heavy vehicles in urban service (refuse, cement mixer, bus) were those 4, 5 or 6-speed planetary transmissions with a torque converter (such as Allison, Voith and ZF).
Automatic transmissions for semi trucks were described on product brochures (Volvo iShift, and... ZF) as "Automated Transmissions" with 10 and 13 speeds, no torque converter, the same clutches internally as on a manual but electronically-controlled and no clutch pedal in the cab. Confusingly, some drivers referred to these as "semi-automatic" transmissions.
Yes. I think there may be a lot of cross confusion here in the conversation if not clarifying which transmission is being praised or bashed. I have been bashing the 10/13 speed auto shift which has a load of issues. The Allison can be driven easily with 2 feet.
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Also I prefer manuals. More control of the truck and it's way better backing up.
I used to drive a 2007 automatic many years ago.... then 8 years of manual... back to auto in 2016......
1000% difference between the old auto and newer auto... newer huge improvement
but there is no comparison between auto and manual for driver control!
I had a few scary moments with auto's over the years, especially in winter driving conditions
I’ll be honest pulling a tank they way autos shift is kinda uneasy
It’s scary. I drove one, pulling a tank in the northwest for a year and a half, and I couldn’t wait to get out of it.
with how jerky the autos move....yeah that kind of load would be very shifty
I had to train in an automatic and I'd still take a manual any day and I'm not familiar with manual transmissions in trucks (I've some experience with manuals in cars and other personal vehicles but that's a bit different)
Drove an automatic pulling a tank for a bit and was blown away by how easy it made the shifts. Sloshing back and forth never screwed up it finding a gear. I felt like it was a lot easier on the drivetrain.
I agree with only some of your points of view. I drove stick for over 20 years. So I understand their benefits. However I bought a 2016 Western Star 5700XE with the Detroit Auto Manual. I run AB to AZ, TX, and CA. Lots of mountain driving. Yes, it took me a long time to "re-learn" driving habits with the auto-manual. But when in manual mode, I have the same if not better control than a stick. I am old school, like yourself, but am experienced enough to be able master and control ANY vehicle in ANY condition. So, losing control in an auto shift over stick shift is a myth. I suggest you try and master an auto shift and make your own comparison. PS, I am an OO reefer unit.
In my personal experience with the "20 cascadia I drive for Local, LTL trucking in the l.a. orange county, Riverside/ San Bernardino area is that I hated it at first, but at the end of the day it Saves you from a lot of fatigue and you feel better better when you go home, No more tennis elbow from shifting, and it's very smart too if you're light or empty it starts off in 5th or higher, if you're heavy it uses all the low gears and the engine brake works good
I'd have to say I'm a fan.
Love the video 👍🤠. I have been driving auto shift 10 years now! 1st 1 was Volvo. It had a clutch pedal which you only used to put truck in 1st gear and reverse gear! Feathering capability! Only serious issues with it was an over RPM down hill, down shift! Now Freightliner cascadia auto shift no clutch pedal! Feathering is still possible using fuel pedal! It doesn’t take long for the clutch to over heat! But you can pump a doc softly, however backing into parking or doc where you need to feather it could take enough time to get clutch hot do to being cautious and taking your time! If clutch overheating warning in dash comes on , you will have to stop and wait for it to cool before continuing! Rocking is still possible, it’s just a matter of getting use to the transmission engagement timing! It’s not difficult!
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I’m a brand new driver got my class A last Thursday. If it’s not a 10 speed I don’t want it, I use to hate driving manual transmission. Now its like a drug, I love it gives you more to do if you sit there for so many hours.. yes I have a trillion things to learn but as a brand new driver I’m going with my 10 speed
I think that the automatic are worse going downhill when you need a jake because they like to keep the RPM so low so it's hard to get it slowed down enough to downshift to where the Jake will actually kick in and also personally I like the stick better of course in high traffic you don't like clutching but I like to stick better you seem like you got more control over the weight and what the truck does on an incline or going down a hill along with the Jakes I prefer a stick over an automatic even though I've driven both
Pretty much all of the negatives concerning truck autos, especially with regard to the drivers, could also be said about automobile ATs. I've seen 'drivers" reading books, sending/reading texts, putting on makeup,...Distracted driving isn't driving. The day after I got my motorcycle license, I decided it would make sense for everybody to get one BEFORE getting a cage license as it teaches you to be a more observant driver. Hell, your life depends upon knowing not only where everybody else is, but also anticipating where they might go.
Manual I have a tractor forklift on the back of my semi and I deliver residential and new sub division and is too hard to navigate through hills and traffic lights on hills ( NZ Roads) auto is good for heavy traffic but I still use tiptronic if forced to drive auto
The gear jammer special please!!
I have a reason for my preference, other than it's what I've been driving for 30 yrs, it's more about safety.
My truck was in the shop in Dallas, Texas and I leased a tractor, the only thing available had an automatic, to finish my load up to Tulsa. It was snowing and the roads were pretty slick. The autoshift downshifted when I was expecting it and sent me into a skid. I put it in neutral and got it under control.
I was picking the drivers seat out of my butt afterwards! This is why I prefer Manuel.
You’re awesome my friend!
I remember watching my Dad reaching through the steering wheel to shift his 5&4.. old school!! Technology has come a long way!
how many guys here would hang in this career with twin sticks.very few but once you get the feel you feel proud of yourself/ that never wears away something you never forger/.and it becomes part of your everyday soul and your proud of it.auto would be like wearing flopflops omg!!/back in the day we wore cowboyboots i refused the cowboy hat,standard is awesomew!!!!
Manul, more control and gives u something to do
I'm on Vancouver Island here, and you are so right, I unhooked my trailer at the shipyard in the snow in this 2016 automatic volvo, and then got stuck under my trailer in the snow because theres was no weight under my drives to give me traction, and like you said about being able to rock out of the snow with a manual, I could not. I tossed the chains on top of them drives, smashed the gas, tires threw the chains quickly under the truck just to pop me out of the hole under my trailer lol!
I've never driven a truck, but I do prefer manual transmission for my cars. Some of the comments on manual shifting here can be applied to cars as well. There is a "feel" of control(or lack of) during certain situations depending on the transmission. Good take buddy!
the guy who hauls out of our plant in eastern Canada started on stick, and now with a few years in a automatic prefers the automatic especially in snowstorms. he did say standards more fun to drive.
You are suppose to drive the autoshift down the hills just like you do on a manual. You gear down in the manual mode the same way as you approach the downward hill. Never had an issue on ice and snow in the mountains if i was in the proper gear loaded for the grade and conditions. Most manuals now are air assist over hydraulic clutches so they are way easier on the legs and knees. I drove both for a while and it seems the manuals are still preferable if you want to stay running and out of the shop
The acceleration thing is funny to me. That's where all the fuel gets wasted that these big companies say the automatics save. They do kinda shift progressive, and I guess getting automatics is easier than trying to teach new hires to shift at 1400, then keep shifting at 1400 when nobody else is in the truck
I was a "new hire" and I still hated trying the automatic. it has its uses but I'd rather be fully in-tune with my truck and focused on it and the road.
even my trainer was messing with his phone thanks to the automatic transmission. pretty cool podcasts and whatnot but totally unnecessary. I like peace and quiet while driving so I can listen for air leaks and other issues that are aggravating on the system
No stick, one stick, one stick with a spliter, 2 sticks All the above YES.
id run a 3 stick if needed. But give me a day to get good, ive never ran a 3 stick yet.
If the truck makes you money
Drive on You truck driver.
As a trainer myself an automatic is one less thing the trainee has to worry about and i have to teach.
But its a restriction on your license.
The freight i haul, new truck, old truck, Manual or auto. Its still 6 mpg on the high side. 5 mpg is avg. Fleet wide. Lots of intercity and 2 lane mtn roads, tri axle bias ply tube tires. Big heavy square boxes.
Left foot on the brakes right foot on the gas when backing. For a smooth docking experience.
Takes a little practice.
Also, on many docks, they are below grade, just slip into neutral and roll back.
Manual transmission is my preference even in my personal vehicles and the day the company I work for replaces my truck and I get told I have to drive an automatic is the day I hang up the keys for that company.
I drive a 13 speed manual and in a previous job I drove a 13 speed auto and I do not miss the auto and some of the places I go to load a auto will not cut it
Knees hurting? My cruise control doesn't work so occasionally my right knee gets a little sore because I can't move it. But never once has the clutch given me any sort of pain. Any way that you can get rid of some electronics on your truck, do it!
I started off driving 10 speeds and now I'm in a 2018 Cascadia with an Auto. The Auto has been fine in inclement weather, and it does have a manual mode which I use 80% or more of the time. Also a recent update to the computer for the transmission will automatically downshift while in manual mode to help prevent lugging the engine, especially in slow backed up traffic in the low gears. Backing into docks is a nuisance with the auto, it either doesn't want to go or it wants to lurch when I want to crawl..
As to what I prefer, if I go O/O relatively soon I'd go with a 18 speed. I'm in a lot of situations at customers where I just need to be able to crawl. Autos wouldn't be so bad if they could sort out the slow speed maneuvering and gear selection. More often than not it won't sense right away that I've been loaded and keeps wanting to Start off in too high of a gear, or I'll be backing into a spot at a truckstop and it'll go into high reverse. Just a lot of little annoyances that get under my skin after awhile. As for fuel economy, I averaged about the same with the 10 speed as I did with the 12 speed auto.
For now presented with the choice, I'd take the manual over the Auto. So far my only experience with an Auto has been in this 2018 Cascadia I'm in for the past 2 years almost. I'm only 30 and with 6 years of experience so far. I did Dryvan/Reefer for 2 years after getting my CDL with Celedon, and for the past 4 years I've been doing Flatbed/Glass with Combined Transport.
As a 24yr exp mostly OTR driver who learned manual before the autos became common,I love a manual.Just fits me better.A natural feel that's missing right now as I hopefully temporarily drive this auto.Im looking forward to getting back in a manual as soon as one is available.
I've been driving 35 years pulling mainly super bs with 18 manual last few years have been ultra shift eighteen there both very I usually run the autoshift in manual due to the terain I run hwy 3 in bc canada you have to have good repair with your shop tech cause there are so many changes you can make in the auto shift which I like both but prefer the auto shift haven't had any issues great video
You pretty much summed it up well Dave. I myself would rather drive the automatic. The biggest reason for me is that the damn stick isn’t in the middle of the cab, so I don’t have this giant obstruction in the middle of my living room! In my experience, I have never slam the dock with my automatic; the transmission has a creeper mode both forward and reverse so that I can use the break to control the speed just like pulling a car in and out of a garage. You’re absolutely right about not being able to rock a automatic transmission that’s stuck in mud or snow. As for repair cost, just as with automobiles, I believe the truck transmissions, Including automatics, are probably going to be some of the most reliable pieces of equipment on the truck. Our company has an experienced a transmission breakdown of an automatic in the five years that I have been with damn, damn not damn oh this is precious Dave I said damn THEM. Another situation where a lie makes it around the world before the truth makes it to Pizza Hut! Will be there Thursday Dave, hopefully I’ll be there on Wednesday, I’m losing my mind. Best to all as always
Thanks Roger, stay safe!
I drove an automatic for years. You can still feather the clutch, but you do it through the accelerator pedal. It's weird, it's impossible to teach to a rookie, but it works. You can bump the dock softly with it, you can back up in a tight space slowly with it, but it takes a lot more practice than a manual does.
The first generation of automatics were a real work in progress. I hated them. They are getting better. I still prefer the manual for various reasons but the automatics are nice if you are doing a lot stop and go driving. They can also be a career extender for a driver with a worm out left knee.
I haul flatbed out west with an auto. Been up and down all the big hills like cabbage and donnor. Its a learning curve but once ya get used to it it works fine. I drove a 10 speed for 4 years before my company went all auto. I wasn't happy about it but learned some things. Number 1: when bumping a dock apply very light throttle pressure and feather the brake like a clutch. This will ease ya in same as a manual. Number 2: if ya lose traction throw it in neutral. It works the same as pushing the clutch 😁
For our company we've found that the amount of drivers that, despite what the driver tells us, way more drivers can drive an automatic well than a manual. So we primarily have manuals, but we will make exceptions and but manuals for our drivers that have been with us for a while and have proven to be great drivers.
What's your company?
The manuals are a must you have to be in control a large heavy truck automatics are a disaster there is no comparison the best stick to learn on is a fuller 7 speed or Mack 5 spd maxitorque both are simple no range change or splitting gears
Manual or Auto? I’ve just come to accept that since I’m a company driver in many circumstances I don’t really get a say as to what I choose to drive. It’s gotten past the point where manual trucks are becoming more expensive to produce and sell because manufacturers aren’t producing as many of them in the first place. Pretty soon whether any of us agree or not will get an automatic because many new drivers now days haven’t learned how to drive manuals. Personally I’ll drive either or.
From what I understand it is the application for use heavy haul, construction and so on are best served by a manual, long miles on highways automated, in city automatic there is a video talking about each from a Kenworth dealer he talks about different applications and uses for each. There are alot of trucks hauling chips pulp and so on near me all are manual but most fleets are automated now I do agree that manual requires more focus I am in cdl school at the moment learning on manual transmissions and while I am happy to learning on one I really want an automated when I get in the field for now that might change at some point
I am driving a 2015 Brainshaker Crashcadia, the only one that I've had with an automated transmission. As soon as I get the truck paid off I am dumping it for a Peterbilt with an Eaton-Fuller 18-speed. The only transmission I've been happy with.
I happen to like my Velcro shoes! Especially after lacing up and tying my 8" ankle high work boots after working in the machine shop. :-)
As a brand new driver I fell i love with the 10 speed and I haul local so the manual makes the job not boring
Steep inclines & Donner Pass situations....It's always gonna be Standards(Stick Shift) for Me ; learned on some ornery rigs but shifting is a life long skill....it's unadulterated pure trucking, Period. The Old timers taught Me on manuals(Standard) & I'm sticking with Em'. All State Career Grad 2013', Otr/Northeast Regional Driver.