It would be... decent for a ship its size. It's got a ton of firepower but the guns aren't set up in superfiring positions, so it can't quite bring _all_ of its weapons on a target simultaneously.
@VestedUTuber been building a ship recently myself (in my fleet I haven't built enough ships to give it a class yet, either fast battle ship or heavy destroyer likely) buy its heavily focused on heavy weapons, and being able to bring as many as possible down on a target as it can at any given time, hence if your on a side... oww... if your in front.... you want to be elsewhere VERY quickly 🤣 it's definitely much smaller than anything shown here, but can pack a hell of a punch and lay down some serious firepower in a very short amount of time... don't get me started on the missiles and torpedos, or it's beautiful PDC's 🤣 it's a warship through and through, built to be tough and rugged, but looks damn good doing so, I'd say the only reason it can't fight something like the vengeance, is because the vengeance (once my ships shields are down) would likely take out huge sections of it since my ship is much smaller than the battle cruiser by a large margin, if I can take out a lot of their pdc's or overwhelm them enough for the torpedos to get in... then it's a different story as thouse torpedos pack a very devastating punch
Amazing battle I’ve created a Dreadnought of my own based around the vengeance called the Exodus. it’s bigger in size with more armor, hanger bays and a decent interior. that’s how well designed the vengeance is.
@@darkleome5409 not this time because we send in mt_*air lock door opening* alpha one the red right hand to kill him in hiding in planet (I cannot remember the name) if you ask how we landing here even though there are 10000 superstar destroyer the answer is we destroyed all of them and blockhead the planet
It's awesome to see the difference between a ship built primarily for aesthetics and a ship that's designed to take a beating and dish one out. The Vengeance is a hell of a ship Jack, nicely done!
Watching this makes me wonder if this was something that could've happened if the green drones didn't show up at the end of Colony wars, because I remember there was this one RWI guy that was planning to attack the old station that was buried into that asteroid, but they got destroyed by the green drones.
This was great, I love the fact that at the end all you have to do is turn on a few systems and a little while later the Vengeance is good as new. I've been trying to put a system like that on a few of my ships but I can never get the welders set up right. I can't wait to see it in action again.
These are my two favourite ships from the colony universe and I've waited so long to see them battle, and what an amazing fight it was. I never doubted the vengeance's survivability from the start!
@@rusler159 Testing Complete. My heavy cruiser won after several minutes of combat. However, I will concede some points that balance things in my favor: 1. Both ships were stationary at 2km away from each other, neither engaged in maneuvers. 2. I prefer a different weapons mod than what is used on the Vengeance. 2a. I use the Aryx Weapons Enterprises mod. 3. My heavy cruiser is armed with railgun turrets that can pen 3 blocks of heavy armor and a pair of ion cannons that temporarily disable a target grid which does give me an a few moments where all of my missiles have a chance to hit and destroy gun emplacements. 4. The Vengeance remained combat viable for several minutes even with all the above notes, so I would argue a draw would be a more realistic scenario as an actual player would strive to maneuver out the way of the ion cannons once they realized what they did. Plus maneuvering would give more time for the pdc's to shoot down incoming missiles.
This is actually cool! Might became a new video series idea, where your ship face another submission ships of others. You can make it a limitation for example X number of this guns, and X number of that guns, with XXX PCU maximum etc etc
Now to make things fair we gave the Apallo Shields whilst the Vengence a ship built for survival warfare does not need any. Nuff said that's the explanation for who is the winner.
This battle was absolutely fantastic:D, I do wonder though, should the vengeance still win if you used the Daedalus class with the GDA super lasers instead of the front cannons (sorry I forgot the name of it) 🤔 Just went back and checked, it was the Valiant I think :)
holy dammm! i love the vengeance, i would love to see it in full motion in the colony universe maybe even accompanying the odyssey but that would be just a dream.... wait wasn't castle digging it up in colony lost? OH YEAAHHH!! xd, i won't get my hopes up but it'd be so cool to see the old colony ships together in a fleet group under jack's command
Working on my own dreadnought currently, I went full “humans are space orcs” level of overkill and installed 2 different shields mods to compliment the triple thick armor layers. I’m on an entirely pve server with modular encounters so I’m basically the end game boss fighting reavers and other hostile factions.
well i mean Dreadnoughts have nothing to fear while every other ship was scared as fuck when they first saw these monstrosity's. Fun fact the Royal Navy made the first ever Dreadnought in WW1 which was named HMS Dreadnought, so i find it ironic that this is made by Jack who is British if i remember correctly
CIS Malevolence vs Imperial star destroyer, or republic vs empire scenario perhaps. Something to show a clash between the two of them. Otherwise, a battle between marvel based ships from guardians of the Galaxy would be cool.
Cool but there is one thing I think needs to change. The graphic for the shields it though be mostly invisible, an energy ripple. Every 30 seconds or 1 minute. And ripples or a little energy sparks or lightning flash when hit but not too much! The current shields obscure the ship completely and probably makes the shut blind. Can change the color of the lightning effects or Ripple to indicate The Shield health Anyway keep up the good work pew pew
This is just the Bismarck vs the hood in space You should do the vengeance against the Apollo and 2 Pheonix class with no shields but the Apollo gets her fighter squadrons
I'm very surprised you're still using the Vengeance without a Warfare 2 retrofit Jack! In my own testing with the ship a small cruiser was nearly able to cripple the ship just because several guns at time would cook off if they were hit. iirc there is also a very large concentration of hydrogen tanks on the ventral side which ended up being a near kill on the ship if hit. Really if the battlecruiser sits back and pelts at the Vengeance from a distance it should win. The Vengeance is relatively slow and a cruiser should have no problem running circles around it. Keeping the Vengeance at the edge of range nullifies the superior firepower of the Vengeance if she's not making use of a turret slaving script. With how closely packed those guns are near every hit with a capital grade weapon should take out a huge chunk of her forward firepower.
Wait the apollo is a cinematic ship? I had to rewatch the beginning twice because I thought the Venator-esque ship was the cinematic one, I am surprised it was considered the warfare ship considering the bricks I am use to seeing look like the Apollo.
Hello there captain I have been observing your content for 5 to 6 years now but I have a question: What is your top three favorite ship's to build and pilot in SE?
So I have some questions, because I feel like given a few factors the apollo would have fared better. Was this survival or creative? If it was creative, then the self repair system on the survival built ship is several degrees stronger than in survival mode given it can repair with no surplus supplies in storage. Also, in terms of sheer weapon output, how long did that fight last? I feel like at a certain point the rapid fire weapons would run out of ammo and suddenly it would be a slug fest of the heavier hitting but slow fire weapons. In a fight where ammo and supplies are a real consideration, I think that the Apollo may actually have an edge with the addition of the shields as they can wait to run your ammo dry. "Even" match with no shields, yea I think even given the prior design considerations, the apollo would not fare well against a ship designed to take and deliver a severe beating like that (though I suspect the total received damage may be higher without that self repair system, even if it would be a massive resource drain). That said, fun to watch, and makes me want to mess around with some of the weapon systems I saw. I do like the sound and look of those railguns firing.
chould we see a vengence vs apollo with the apollo having a fighter group because to me the apollo is a cammand ship/ carreir that can defend it self like a star wars venator
Moral of the story: Don't bring a cinematic ship to a survival fight. Hitting them with your sword is fine though.
I feel like the outcome was pre-determined. A ship built for design will hardly ever beat a ship built for practicality and battle
Yeah. I personally like building with practicality with aesthetics put in where possible without compromising the function and stuff.
@@Cooldude-ko7ps same
@@Cooldude-ko7ps I only have enough skill to make flying boxes with attachments and armoured the hell out
Now imagine how op the vengeance would be with shields
It would be... decent for a ship its size. It's got a ton of firepower but the guns aren't set up in superfiring positions, so it can't quite bring _all_ of its weapons on a target simultaneously.
@VestedUTuber been building a ship recently myself (in my fleet I haven't built enough ships to give it a class yet, either fast battle ship or heavy destroyer likely) buy its heavily focused on heavy weapons, and being able to bring as many as possible down on a target as it can at any given time, hence if your on a side... oww... if your in front.... you want to be elsewhere VERY quickly 🤣 it's definitely much smaller than anything shown here, but can pack a hell of a punch and lay down some serious firepower in a very short amount of time... don't get me started on the missiles and torpedos, or it's beautiful PDC's 🤣 it's a warship through and through, built to be tough and rugged, but looks damn good doing so, I'd say the only reason it can't fight something like the vengeance, is because the vengeance (once my ships shields are down) would likely take out huge sections of it since my ship is much smaller than the battle cruiser by a large margin, if I can take out a lot of their pdc's or overwhelm them enough for the torpedos to get in... then it's a different story as thouse torpedos pack a very devastating punch
Amazing battle I’ve created a Dreadnought of my own based around the vengeance called the Exodus. it’s bigger in size with more armor, hanger bays and a decent interior. that’s how well designed the vengeance is.
Does it transform into a jet??? (Yes this is a TFP ref)
Cinematic ship vs a moving gun platform, this can only go so well and I'm all here for this kind of show.
good to see Palpatine returned
Somehow...
@@darkleome5409 not this time because we send in mt_*air lock door opening* alpha one the red right hand to kill him in hiding in planet (I cannot remember the name) if you ask how we landing here even though there are 10000 superstar destroyer the answer is we destroyed all of them and blockhead the planet
It's awesome to see the difference between a ship built primarily for aesthetics and a ship that's designed to take a beating and dish one out. The Vengeance is a hell of a ship Jack, nicely done!
Watching this makes me wonder if this was something that could've happened if the green drones didn't show up at the end of Colony wars, because I remember there was this one RWI guy that was planning to attack the old station that was buried into that asteroid, but they got destroyed by the green drones.
I think the Colony Wars end battle proved the Vengeance can hold it's own against the DRF Fleet. It was in a much better condition :)
It really was. That was a great CIC that you built Jack
This was great, I love the fact that at the end all you have to do is turn on a few systems and a little while later the Vengeance is good as new. I've been trying to put a system like that on a few of my ships but I can never get the welders set up right. I can't wait to see it in action again.
Also I have loved the design for the vengeance when you guys were building
2:06 my brother loved this so much he started dancing
These are my two favourite ships from the colony universe and I've waited so long to see them battle, and what an amazing fight it was. I never doubted the vengeance's survivability from the start!
Honestly I use the Vengeance as benchmark for how tough/powerful my builds are. (Note to self: test heavy cruiser)
Tell us how it goes
@@rusler159 Testing Complete. My heavy cruiser won after several minutes of combat.
However, I will concede some points that balance things in my favor:
1. Both ships were stationary at 2km away from each other, neither engaged in maneuvers.
2. I prefer a different weapons mod than what is used on the Vengeance.
2a. I use the Aryx Weapons Enterprises mod.
3. My heavy cruiser is armed with railgun turrets that can pen 3 blocks of heavy armor and a pair of ion cannons that temporarily disable a target grid which does give me an a few moments where all of my missiles have a chance to hit and destroy gun emplacements.
4. The Vengeance remained combat viable for several minutes even with all the above notes, so I would argue a draw would be a more realistic scenario as an actual player would strive to maneuver out the way of the ion cannons once they realized what they did. Plus maneuvering would give more time for the pdc's to shoot down incoming missiles.
Its always nice to see some big ship battles!
that was amazing how quickly the apollo melted once its shields went down
This is actually cool!
Might became a new video series idea, where your ship face another submission ships of others. You can make it a limitation for example X number of this guns, and X number of that guns, with XXX PCU maximum etc etc
Now to make things fair we gave the Apallo Shields whilst the Vengence a ship built for survival warfare does not need any. Nuff said that's the explanation for who is the winner.
Ngl, it felt good to be back onboard the Apollo again :-)
This is like the old battleships of ww2 loaded with deck guns and the new destroyers with one main gun and rockets
Practicallity wins again! You really should add a shield to the vengeance.
This battle was absolutely fantastic:D, I do wonder though, should the vengeance still win if you used the Daedalus class with the GDA super lasers instead of the front cannons (sorry I forgot the name of it) 🤔
Just went back and checked, it was the Valiant I think :)
It would be nice to see another Star Wars battle with multiple ships per team!
holy dammm! i love the vengeance, i would love to see it in full motion in the colony universe maybe even accompanying the odyssey but that would be just a dream.... wait wasn't castle digging it up in colony lost? OH YEAAHHH!! xd, i won't get my hopes up but it'd be so cool to see the old colony ships together in a fleet group under jack's command
Thank god you uploaded I was bored scrolling through TH-cam
Working on my own dreadnought currently, I went full “humans are space orcs” level of overkill and installed 2 different shields mods to compliment the triple thick armor layers.
I’m on an entirely pve server with modular encounters so I’m basically the end game boss fighting reavers and other hostile factions.
I say, next should be a borg tactical cube, which would have armor, self repair and laser/torpedo capacity vs the Vengeance.
The purple drones did more damage to vengeance
Missed the Vengeance and glad to see her again
Great vid! Missed seeing these guys! Lots of fun to watch!
You really should do some sort of large scale battle with couple large ships, by they got small fighters out bombers inside.
Perhaps do one of the really big Venators vs some ship/ships that are equal to it.
Imagine the Vengeance, Apollo and Eclipse VS 3 of the GDA Super Dreadnaughts…
I wanna see how many Eclipses it takes to bring down the Vengeance.
Probably 2 or 3, cuz once the guns are split on targeting multiple targets over 1 your fire power drastically decreases
Yooo, you’re a Stargate fan? That’s epic. You should do more Stargate-themed stuff.
Ops ..... Turns on repair system😂😂
Watched and 👍 Liked
I LOVE the venator looking ships style
Captain jack I would love to see one of your Rwi fleets vs an imperial fleet of 3isds and a few arquitans and one venator.
There's still too much 2D thinking. That was a lot of fun to watch.
Jack we and your algorithm are really needing a new star wars battle! Please do it again.
Will see what i can do
Watching this after seeing the harbinger being completed makes me want to see the vengeance vs the harbinger.
well i mean Dreadnoughts have nothing to fear while every other ship was scared as fuck when they first saw these monstrosity's. Fun fact the Royal Navy made the first ever Dreadnought in WW1 which was named HMS Dreadnought, so i find it ironic that this is made by Jack who is British if i remember correctly
We need more star wars battles for sure and maybe a star wars series on space engineers
I'd love to see the colony fleet vs star wars fleets
Was a fun battle! did my best with those shields, unfortunately wasn't enough... maybe next time?! :)
CIS Malevolence vs Imperial star destroyer, or republic vs empire scenario perhaps. Something to show a clash between the two of them.
Otherwise, a battle between marvel based ships from guardians of the Galaxy would be cool.
Vemgeace vs star wars ships would be my humble suggestion
Double handicap: one side has a shield, the other side deliberately disables its auto repair system [HOP HOP HOP!]
Cool but there is one thing I think needs to change.
The graphic for the shields it though be mostly invisible, an energy ripple. Every 30 seconds or 1 minute.
And ripples or a little energy sparks or lightning flash when hit but not too much!
The current shields obscure the ship completely and probably makes the shut blind.
Can change the color of the lightning effects or Ripple to indicate The Shield health
Anyway keep up the good work
pew pew
Yeah it was just forgotten about, not the end those as that’s why we have two POVs
Captain Jack ship looks very small, but whenever they crashed into each other, they were about the same size
This is just the Bismarck vs the hood in space
You should do the vengeance against the Apollo and 2 Pheonix class with no shields but the Apollo gets her fighter squadrons
16:43 hes so mad and sad that he got defeated by a ship with a reper fiald with the progecter not active
Hey jack can you do a fleet battle where everyone is piloting thier own ships no matter how armed they are
How do u make battles? I’ve tried changing the ship to space pirates yet I don’t get attacked nor do my turrets attack???
GDA vs RWI and CSS
Its time to board them bois!!!!
Idea for a Star Wars battle: A separatist blockade against a fleet of republic Starfighters and some light cruisers
hwo do you pause gameplay. everytime i spawn in a ship it just imediatly gets shot at
I'm very surprised you're still using the Vengeance without a Warfare 2 retrofit Jack! In my own testing with the ship a small cruiser was nearly able to cripple the ship just because several guns at time would cook off if they were hit.
iirc there is also a very large concentration of hydrogen tanks on the ventral side which ended up being a near kill on the ship if hit.
Really if the battlecruiser sits back and pelts at the Vengeance from a distance it should win. The Vengeance is relatively slow and a cruiser should have no problem running circles around it. Keeping the Vengeance at the edge of range nullifies the superior firepower of the Vengeance if she's not making use of a turret slaving script. With how closely packed those guns are near every hit with a capital grade weapon should take out a huge chunk of her forward firepower.
Loved the fight great to see the vengeance back in action I think if you do Star wars next in any case long live the vengeance
How big is the crew of the ships, or is it all automated fire? The turret AI is not the best as I remember.
Wait the apollo is a cinematic ship? I had to rewatch the beginning twice because I thought the Venator-esque ship was the cinematic one, I am surprised it was considered the warfare ship considering the bricks I am use to seeing look like the Apollo.
can we see a 5 v 5 large scale battle with carriers and battleships/destroyers
Can you do a RWI Fleet show case of all the RWI ships?
i never thought i'd see the day
Molevolence vs Mandator 2 dreadnought (Star Wars Clone Wars Separatist Drreadnought vs Vanetor dreadnought)
Coloney vs drf ther Wuld be cool
And loves the Battle
Hello there captain I have been observing your content for 5 to 6 years now but I have a question: What is your top three favorite ship's to build and pilot in SE?
'Meanwhile on the turtle'
What da hell they doin over there?
what was the name of the ship that the vengence was based on
Me and a friend used that same ship with modification few years ago in a server wipe fight the server was dying with 4 ship with similar size.
How about rwi lost in space
How is the Apollo built for cinematics?
Light armour, no reinforced sections and it’s kinda out dated now
Jajajaja volvio el vegance dreagnouth cuanto lo estrañe
Should do the vengeance vs the oddest when it comes out
Maybe haha, we’ll have to see ;)
So I have some questions, because I feel like given a few factors the apollo would have fared better.
Was this survival or creative? If it was creative, then the self repair system on the survival built ship is several degrees stronger than in survival mode given it can repair with no surplus supplies in storage. Also, in terms of sheer weapon output, how long did that fight last? I feel like at a certain point the rapid fire weapons would run out of ammo and suddenly it would be a slug fest of the heavier hitting but slow fire weapons. In a fight where ammo and supplies are a real consideration, I think that the Apollo may actually have an edge with the addition of the shields as they can wait to run your ammo dry.
"Even" match with no shields, yea I think even given the prior design considerations, the apollo would not fare well against a ship designed to take and deliver a severe beating like that (though I suspect the total received damage may be higher without that self repair system, even if it would be a massive resource drain).
That said, fun to watch, and makes me want to mess around with some of the weapon systems I saw. I do like the sound and look of those railguns firing.
STAR TREK BATTLE!
Frigate vs carrier 100%
YES, THE VENGEANCE IS STILL GODLY
I absolutely loved that but when are the ship builds gonna come back
I stream me building ships :)
Colony wars final fleet vs RWI or Green drone fleet or all 3 in a free for all
God i love both of these ships, who do i want to win???
chould we see a vengence vs apollo with the apollo having a fighter group because to me the apollo is a cammand ship/ carreir that can defend it self like a star wars venator
Fighters wouldn’t not change this outcome
@@CaptainJackcertainly not. With that many PDCs, any fighter squadron that wanders in range of the Vengeance would melt pretty quickly
Dreadnaught vs Battle Cruiser, what’s the difference?
You should prolly update the Vengeance, it is currently outdated and needs some of the weaknesses to fixed
It’s not that out dated tbh. Though we’ll be updating it soon in a new project.
iff the dreadknought also had shields it whould have won. even though the apollo has less weapons and a shield
Do you play with people who have Space engineers on xbox one?
No, it’s not possible due to the servers we use
@@CaptainJack DARN IT. I wanted to play with yall xD I don't have anyone to play it with
You should do the Zang he against the vengeance
Does the big ship have any guns besides the rockets?
Yep, but most of them were likely wiped off haha
I’m thinking a fully functional deathstar vs sith eternal fleet
Holy gunbrick batman
Do 7 gunboats vs a dreadnought
Buy survival battlecruiser for fun
drone carrier vs point defense/anti-drone frigate(s)
The Dreadnought vs Battlecruiser! Who will win? The result may surprise you!
Spoiler:
No it won't.
It was closer than I would've thought with the ramming, that looked bad. Although that could all have been armor.
I would love to fight this ship with the warships we use on the server i play see what happens 🤣
how about the space battleship yamato vs a star destroyer
Good lord jack, you've made a Monstrosity
Rwi fleet vs star wars faction of your choice.
Infinity vs cso-class supercarrier or infinity ve first order star destroyer
Vengeance vs CIS fleet?