It always impresses me how Tim has a deep holistic understanding of horology. He is able to wisely address the macro landscape of the watch industry, trends, geopolitical and economic issues, as well as brands’ perspectives, aesthetics and design, and specificities about certain models and watchmakers. Also, I feel he is authentically concerned with us, the customers. All of that while wearing a black cap that probably won’t make the GQ magazine cover.
Tim is 100% correct on thickness of recent watches. Say what you will but Rolex is the only mainstream brand that seems to care about thickness. Omega and GS are some of the worst offenders. GS makes 17mm chronographs while the Daytona manages to do it under 12mm. I understand that the display case back and the box section sapphire adds to the thickness but it seriously hampers wearability. The older Seamaster Pros wore much better in my opinion.
Agree. Thickness and lug to lug are the most important measurements for me. Wearing anything above 14mm it's like having an anchor on your wrist. Big no, no. Japanese manufacturers (seiko, citizen) should improve their bracelets with adding on the fly adjusment clasps (people talking about it for ages and they seems just to don't give a single f..k?) Stubborn nation they are. That's are my wishes.
Preach! Absolute joke that Omega leaves the AT as the same thickness as a Longines, meanwhile the GMTII is the same thickness as the latest Evo 9 GS with just a date complication.
I don't think Rolex cares much about thickness of watches. With maybe the exception of the Daytona, all of their models could easily be 2mm thinner if they wanted to.
"Restlessly inventive" (Jack) is a perfect description of Lambert. Brilliant leader. During his previous tenure at the helm, he had JLC knocking on the door of the holy trinity.
The Universal Geneva brand being acquired by Breitling, which is well funded, and under the stewardship of CEO George Kerns is huge! Tim and Jack forgot to mention that Kerns takes the heritage of UG and its collectors very seriously. Soon after acquiring the brand, Kerns assembled an advisory team to participate in the decision making to ensure the design heritage of the brand is part of the modern UG DNA.
Three things I want from watches in 2025: 1) 120 hour power reserve as standard on all new lines 2) 8 year standard warranty 3) No more ticking quartz second hands. Make it a smooth sweep. If Bulova can do so can other watch companies
Ticking hands are a mechanical innovation, not quartz. Dead seconds were around long before quartz watches were invented. Not sure why you’re conflating that.
The CEO said 15k would be the starting price for UG. JLC need to thin down the Polaris and maybe resize the width. They need more no date options in Polaris, Master Control and ultra thin. Please JLC?
I enjoyed the conversation, fellas, thank you. Regarding Universal Geneve, Georges Kern has indicated that the price point will be more than Breitling. So Tim, "under 8k" - I am guessing no chance of that. They will go with premium pricing IMHO and based on what Georges Kern has already stated. Also, Jack, I think you are right indeed: a lot of people have done their "first round" of enthusiast watch collecting - so the rules may be changing a bit going forward.
MY WISH FOR NEXT YEAR IS FOR THE WATCH MANUFACTURERS TO DROP THE PRICE OF ALL WATCHES THEN COLLECTORS LIKE ME CAN GET MORE ROLEX AND OMEGA IN MY COLLECTION GREAT VIDEO THANKS
The world need a simple and thin Reverso duo, time only on one side and small second +date+power reserve on the other side. Stop the Reverso travel time production to help the secondary market.
Pick the collector conversation interviews more carefully The ‘geyser’ interview was so cringeworthy. I don’t know how Jack got through that. More coverage of independents. Tim covered sartory billard, Garrick and Kudoke in a video once. More of those. And I want the perfect world timer to come out. I like the offerings from Vacheron, Patek, JLC and even chopard. But it’s still not there for me. And not that bovet monstrosity either
It always impresses me how Tim has a deep holistic understanding of horology.
He is able to wisely address the macro landscape of the watch industry, trends, geopolitical and economic issues, as well as brands’ perspectives, aesthetics and design, and specificities about certain models and watchmakers.
Also, I feel he is authentically concerned with us, the customers.
All of that while wearing a black cap that probably won’t make the GQ magazine cover.
and a serious automotive know-how...
How can Jack focus in the presence of that hat? 😀
Tim is 100% correct on thickness of recent watches. Say what you will but Rolex is the only mainstream brand that seems to care about thickness. Omega and GS are some of the worst offenders. GS makes 17mm chronographs while the Daytona manages to do it under 12mm. I understand that the display case back and the box section sapphire adds to the thickness but it seriously hampers wearability. The older Seamaster Pros wore much better in my opinion.
Agree. Thickness and lug to lug are the most important measurements for me. Wearing anything above 14mm it's like having an anchor on your wrist. Big no, no. Japanese manufacturers (seiko, citizen) should improve their bracelets with adding on the fly adjusment clasps (people talking about it for ages and they seems just to don't give a single f..k?) Stubborn nation they are. That's are my wishes.
GS seems to be working on it, if we believe their claims
Preach! Absolute joke that Omega leaves the AT as the same thickness as a Longines, meanwhile the GMTII is the same thickness as the latest Evo 9 GS with just a date complication.
I don't think Rolex cares much about thickness of watches. With maybe the exception of the Daytona, all of their models could easily be 2mm thinner if they wanted to.
Cartier santos chrono slightly over 12mm
Back in the day thinness was luxury , let’s do that a thing again!
"Restlessly inventive" (Jack) is a perfect description of Lambert. Brilliant leader.
During his previous tenure at the helm, he had JLC knocking on the door of the holy trinity.
The Universal Geneva brand being acquired by Breitling, which is well funded, and under the stewardship of CEO George Kerns is huge! Tim and Jack forgot to mention that Kerns takes the heritage of UG and its collectors very seriously. Soon after acquiring the brand, Kerns assembled an advisory team to participate in the decision making to ensure the design heritage of the brand is part of the modern UG DNA.
Thanks for this discussion - especially about JLC
Thanks for the episode guys
Three things I want from watches in 2025: 1) 120 hour power reserve as standard on all new lines 2) 8 year standard warranty 3) No more ticking quartz second hands. Make it a smooth sweep. If Bulova can do so can other watch companies
Ticking hands are a mechanical innovation, not quartz. Dead seconds were around long before quartz watches were invented. Not sure why you’re conflating that.
Excellent video Tim and happy new year
The CEO said 15k would be the starting price for UG. JLC need to thin down the Polaris and maybe resize the width. They need more no date options in Polaris, Master Control and ultra thin. Please JLC?
This feels like you decided to just roll camera on a staff meeting. And it’s AWESOME.
JLC needs to make a thinner Polaris
More of Jack in '25.
All I want for Xmas is a reedition of the tri compax triple calendar moon phase on a new bracelet.
I enjoyed the conversation, fellas, thank you. Regarding Universal Geneve, Georges Kern has indicated that the price point will be more than Breitling. So Tim, "under 8k" - I am guessing no chance of that. They will go with premium pricing IMHO and based on what Georges Kern has already stated. Also, Jack, I think you are right indeed: a lot of people have done their "first round" of enthusiast watch collecting - so the rules may be changing a bit going forward.
All new watches that are min 100m. Even modern dress watches should be at least min 50m.
Please adjust the EQ on Jack’s mic.
He’s wearing a hat because 90% of the heat leaving your body, is through the head 😉
give me the sales data for 2024 as soon as you can. The pony Express went out of business a long time ago
What's with the hat? I didn't hear a word they said.
Enjoyed watching Jack anytime on any platform.
MY WISH FOR NEXT YEAR IS FOR THE WATCH MANUFACTURERS TO DROP THE PRICE OF ALL WATCHES THEN COLLECTORS LIKE ME CAN GET MORE ROLEX AND OMEGA IN MY COLLECTION GREAT VIDEO THANKS
Really, what’s with the knit cap?
The world need a simple and thin Reverso duo, time only on one side and small second +date+power reserve on the other side. Stop the Reverso travel time production to help the secondary market.
I love that micro Cartiers are the newest big trend.
Die bril op het hoofd was stukken beter
Pick the collector conversation interviews more carefully
The ‘geyser’ interview was so cringeworthy. I don’t know how Jack got through that.
More coverage of independents. Tim covered sartory billard, Garrick and Kudoke in a video once. More of those.
And I want the perfect world timer to come out. I like the offerings from Vacheron, Patek, JLC and even chopard.
But it’s still not there for me.
And not that bovet monstrosity either
Please lose the hat.
The watch market is dead. No one is buying watches.
I mean, I’ve bought 6 in the last three months ….
True I have purchased only 3 this year. Only spent £11k
@@danchapman5944I haven’t bought a watch in over a year…. Lots to love but one every two-three years is still allot in a lifetime
When I went to see my AD 2 weeks ago a woman walked in and bought a gold Breitling for her husband and walked out. I was only there for 30 min.
i bought a lot of watches…so, no!