Involuntary Psychiatric Hospitalization, view of a psychiatrist

Dr. Peter Goertz discusses.

[@maggie0285]

This is an area where the mental health system is broken. I don't mean to trigger anyone but from a clients perspective I believe the truth is psychiatrists admit people to hospitals against their wills for legal reasons only. They don't want to be liable and understandably so. So the patient sits on a psych ward a few days, usually bored and gets discharged. If the patient has no insurance, no job they leave really no better. People need coping skills and sadly it seems that isn't taught by any mental health professional. And sadly too psychiatrist really no longer do psychotherapy. And what you describe, deciding who is a danger to society should really go in the hands of the justice system. Someone could be highly suicidal and not tell anyone because they want to do it as soon as they get the chance. Involuntarily putting someone in the hospital helps one person-the psychiatrist

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for your input regarding this difficult issue. Peter Goertz

[@wendi2819]

I don't know enough facts to challenge your comment. But I'd really love to believe if I was ever too sick to know I needed treatment someone would get me to any type hospital for all acute illnesses.

[@Benjamin-xv9le]

I'll go with Goffman on this: the psychiatrists actions are primarily motivated by justifying his own actions.

[@eclipsegamer88tv39]

My wife literally lied to the police! Showed up guns out! I had my daughter in my arms! They then pushed into my house and arrested me! I then went down to the VA hospital for about 14hrs. Then after talking with everyone I was released early. I lost my rights all because my wife couldn’t just show me love and affection. I just got in a really bad wreck, drunk driver hit me and my kids! Thank god no one was hurt! But my wife showed ZERO emotion or affection when we got home!! Then two days later she pulled this BS!!! It’s a dangerous law and violates Americans rights!

[@chrishaynes8205]

What is patient dumping they do this regularly to a family member all the time. She struggles with her mental health and alcohol abuse. I don't know what to do.

[@jackspain6351]

My father did this to me multiple times and I hate him for it, dismantled my life every time

[@MartineReed]

My family did it to me with the help of some sociopathic neighbors. Absolutely destroyed me for a time. But, as they say, whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.

[@bw1170]

I wont go to therapy because involuntary hospitalization exists. I would quite literally rather die.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for your personal input. Peter Goertz

[@_ii_i]

My question is
WHY are all these places disgusting decrepit prisons and not nicely tended clean and proper living spaces? Why do they have a major reputation for always being the worst part of the hospital? Why are they always left in such decay if theyre supposed to help people and we all know at least 75 percent of the time they HURT vulnerable citizens more?!

[@MartineReed]

@@_ii_i Very good questions. The Japanese believe that you put sick people in with well people to get better. We treat patients as though they are inmates. Sick system.

[@_ii_i]

@@MartineReed Japanese do everything better than they do here no surprise there

[@isabelacruvinel7604]

I've been to a psych ward and, in my perspective and reading other people's stories, unless when patients are an immediate danger, it does more harm than good. I was admitted four days after moving out from my father's because I was done with feeling like a cancer in my family. He didn't take it well, and I was admitted as bipolar. I think it takes paying or having an insurance for you to admit someone, and I've seen it happen with two other patients. I had to agree to go back to my parents and to admit being rage full and petulant for my psychiatrist to let me out (I have recorded proof that he's the one putting up fights and smacking stuff, and I mean fifteen hours of proof). That said, the mental health system never has and probably never will help some people.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you Isabela for your personal input. Peter Goertz

[@zmaschannel4808]

When you involuntarily commit someone Peter you are giving that person lifelong trauma. It is especially sad that so often these people are not actually threats to themselves or others but hospital employees want to play it safe and cover themselves.

[@RemoWilliams-jg4yb]

@@goertzpsychiatry9340 Automated sterile replies? SMH

[@RemoWilliams-jg4yb]

Agreed, it does more harm than good.

[@buddhaneosiddhananda8499]

Psych treatment is the worst thing you can do to someone... it does a lot of harm and does no good... don't do that..!!

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you Buddhaneo for your input. Peter Goertz

[@Allioops810]

Really? So what do you do with someone who is constantly trying to die?

[@buddhaneosiddhananda8499]

@@Allioops810If you really cared... maybe they wouldn't want to die... they also say... "A fool is busy with everyone's business but his own..." 🌹🌹

[@EBR1]

Coercion in the mental health field is probably the number one reason why people don't seek help. Psychiatry is the only profession/business/industry that can literally force it's services on people against their will. They also have the highest rate of suicide, alcoholism, and divorce of any medical specialty. And these are the people tasked with telling us how to live and how to become better people?

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for your input regarding this issue. Peter Goertz

[@projectbirdfeederman5491]

Some people are being masimed with neuroweapons too, and psychiatry to there to gaslight the victims and smear them as insane. It is the worst sort of evil.

[@southernwinters]

These places are horrible.
I am 48, a fit yoga instructor.
I simply had a UTI.
I have NO mental diagnosis, except, “Unspecified Anxiety”.
This is what my psychiatrist diagnosed me with.
I developed staph and scabies because the place was so filthy.
These places do more harm than good.
Good luck. You seem like a good doctor.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for your personal input. Peter Goertz

[@oberon0275]

Id rather die to go to one of those places against my will. Its my life i decide how i live it or how it ends

[@projectbirdfeederman5491]

It's on the rise thanks to those who run society trying to drive us all mad any way they can get away with.

[@RustyShakleford1]

Amen brother

[@qjdianenfjaiwk]

Yes!!! I will never trust doctors again after last month

[@gracealbert2542]

I agree with you so much, my body, my life, my soul, my choice.

[@salerherman7794]

Retirement homes are psyche wards for the elderly, very sad. Keep your loved ones close to you.

[@Ryan-jl1el]

My wife went to a Veteran Affairs appt to her psychiatrist. During the appt, as soon as she said the words "wanted to hurt him" they immediately paused and was deceived into moving toward the mental health unit. Next thing you know she was approached by 2 VA law enforcement officers when my wife asked,"wth is going on?" The gentlemen told her, youre gonna be put on involuntary commitment. When she asked why, she was told because you said you were gonna "shoot" him. Pretty precise word from the words "wanted to hurt him" Her words were twisted and that alone did it.... Im looking to press charges. I just dont know how to go about it and what information I need. My wife is still in there on her 2nd day.
When you said theyre doing it all for money I totally believe it... Medical and Pharmaceutical companies are all politicized greatly and it pisses me off.
Cuz now I have to take off from work, my kids are all asking me questions that I cant even answer, nor my wife can even answer. Since shes in mental health, her being pissed off that she was brought in their by deception, she cant be pissed cuz all they will do is drug her.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

To my knowledge your wife should have access to legal assistance while hospitalized. Peter Goertz

[@playsaboutmycat]

What a nightmare!

[@charleswest6372]

Avoid the VA, they are idiots

[@elizabeth4275]

Can you call the cops or get a lawyer sue them maybe ?? I’m not sure what we can do but that might help

[@Saints_ravenfortheRainbow]

..There's literally a song, it's not new, called "kill a man."
Rage against the machine..
What??
It's bs. There's ladies in south America having to do what police are supposed to do.
Femicide is a whole word and not getting much help.
Please God, help this family.
I've wondered about priests hearing confessions.
This seems illegal.
With a right to bear arms.. how far can something like this go?

[@Nuhbuddys]

Has there ever been a study of the effects of voluntary vs involuntary treatment?
My assumption based on real life experience is it's.... Probably never beneficial to force anyone into anything.
Removal of ones bodily autonomy is historically a bad move.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Hi Cory, Thank you for bringing this up. I don’t know of a study regarding this. In my opinion emergency treatment(medical and psychiatric) at times needs to be involuntary, however it is better if in the long run non-emergency treatment is voluntary. Peter Goertz

[@RustyShakleford1]

Hahaha i have a feeling if you got bonuses for voluntarily convincing patients to be admitted youd change your mind....follow the money​@@goertzpsychiatry9340

[@Saints_ravenfortheRainbow]

My mom, with a record of having charges against her, was able to have me forced. Twice
She is the abuser.
I've called the police on her.
She has a work history of medical.
This is munchausen by proxy.
I'm not the danger. She is and my kid said so too.
She lost my self and brother as kids so now she's attacking me and my daughter. My brother aborted his kids.
My child was having nightmares, i was having nightmares, about her father hurting us.
She's seen people in our house.
She's seen them in front of my mom and my mom told my kid they can't be there.
So...
My. Mom. Is abusive. I've called police on her since i was little for abuse.
My brother doesn't talk to her much either.
While in the hospital she took her to get flowers that i had been skiing to do with my kid and she waited till i had an appointment to talk to a therapist for my kid.
My kid not being allowed near my mom who says she's a horrible kid is not abuse.
She's a bad kid because i didn't spank her.
But yet the one who says that and calls me worthless can have me petitioned for a mental health evaluation that she needs.
She instigates.
I get called schizophrenic by my mom who was a pct. But yet she told me she heard things before and my kid did in front of my Mom and i.
My dad said he used to see ghosts.
The doctor labled me paranoid but she has said i should have put my daughter up for adoption and that she should have never had me.
I'm not paranoid. My mom is abusive and has had charges against her.
The police have told her not to parent my kid but she does not listen.
I told her "don't talk to me" when i got home.
She called me a bitch to someone into her phone when she thought i wasn't listening, why would i want to talk to her?
She slammed my kids finger in the door and didn't say sorry or anything.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for sharing your experiences. Peter Goertz

[@CallMeBungus]

My mother called the cops and lied saying i was going to self forever sleep.
Got sent to the psyche ward for 45 days.
She did this because i was homeless

[@_ii_i]

My question is
WHY are all these places usually disgusting decrepit prisons and not nicely tended clean and proper living spaces? Why do they have a major reputation for always being the worst part of the hospital? Why are they always left in such decay if theyre supposed to help people and we all know 75 percent of the time I'd guess they HURT vulnerable citizens more?!

[@singstreetcar5881]

So u dont think a family can't set a family member to punish the family member for being stubborn?

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

There is often a “he says/she says” type situation. Peter Goertz

[@singstreetcar5881]

@@goertzpsychiatry9340 psychiatrists always side the abusive parents. It's terrible. This is why people don't respect psychiatrists. What of gay people who have been put in psychiatry hospitals for being gay? Or for being athiest ?

[@zealouszach]

@@goertzpsychiatry9340your emotional intelligence is strikingly low.

[@WeirdRainbow-h7r]

Exactly... Made a video of how they tried forsefuly get me hospitelised... IT was third time Į got away with it... The next time they forsefuly took me sondidnt got a video of that...

[@phattymcnasty7268]

I've been to the psyche ward. I was let out in 14 hours. I couldn't lose my job or I'd REALLY be there. Cops and parents vouched for me. There's reasons and there are reasons that would be exponentially gaining my reasons to be there. They let me go. Still off my meds. Doing much better. Diagnosed bipolar. Turns out I was just an extreme alcoholic.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for sharing your personal experience. Peter Goertz

[@Salvador-ke2kh]

Lol

[@RemoWilliams-jg4yb]

It is because therapist have no intestinal fortitude to do anything, I get they don't want to be sued, but as a veteran, I have had way too many guys on suicide watch. That is when you take the rank off and wrap your arms around them. Involuntary admittance just makes thing worse. It is like trying to get a feral cat with a rabid pit bull. You traumatize the cat. You don't need eight years of school to figure that out.

[@marywegrzynowicz4493]

The problem I had was my family. Totally untrue statements. According to them I had an issue with Xanax since I was in grade school in the 60s. My mother and sister feared for the life. I was adopted. My adopted mother was deceased. My biological family is unknown. How could an unknown person fear for their life?

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for sharing your personal experience. Peter Goertz

[@nancybass1962]

My son lies to his doctors and abuses his adderal .He has terrible rage but he only exhibits this at home with his wife and children. I am afraid for their safety.He has threatened to shoot them all if she tries to leave. I love mason, but I am a realist and his kids are going to need major therapy if he doesn't get help. I have been looking at involuntary commitment forms all afternoon. He denies he has a problem, but his behavior says otherwise.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

I’m sorry to hear this Nancy. Thank you for sharing it. Peter Goertz

[@defective1331]

i never say i should not be on the ward. i make up a reason why im there. hopefully i can get out and hold my tools

[@Indieblair]

Thanks for explaining from the other side of the ordeal. It really helps to understand the guidelines. (From a patient view)

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you! Peter Goertz

[@reddbendd]

I can’t help but wonder, does IQ or EQ impact a persons success/ability to function more? & Why isn’t there a test for psychosocial aptitude? It clearly affects their mental state

[@reddbendd]

@@lisachambers3683 negative feelings about a situation are pretty subjective. I’m not really sure what to say about having negative feelings about anything because surgical diagnosis is usually very straightforward. Emotional issues shouldn’t kill you if you know when to go to the hospital

[@sharondease3551]

Hello..im a concerned grandparent of a 18 year old who is showing signs that suggest he needs a mental health evaluation. The family is all looking at me to have it ordered because i raised him from an infant.He refuses to go volunteerly to a outpatient facility to talk to someone and is furious at his family for saying he is "crazy"..but im not saying that..i just know in my heart something is different or off with him and just want to see him well again.
I dont know what really started it but after he became a pot smoker,i began seeing a personality change and its escalated into him saying that he was being investigated by the FBI.He has now added the cartel,and other government officials...when he hasnt done anything to be investgated for...its now to the point in his mind,im working with the law ,his family is working with the law..we are wearing a wire trying to entrap him..etc.
Every other car on the highway..when we go anywhere... is a government official..he is on their radar he says,being tracked and filmed by their cameras on thier vehicles.Hes yelling cuss words out the window at who he thinks are the law..its so embarrassing and disturbing!!
i love my grandson dearly..i want to see him not do this anymore..his trust is me is not good since he feels im a part of this whole scenario he has created in his mind.Im wondering if some of the weed he has smoked has been laced.That was a idea that someone in the family suggested that is knowledgeable about street drugs. please help me if you had or has a love one experiencing this and if you had to get him or her mandatory mental help...but if this kind doctor on this video could help shed his advice..i would appreciate it too.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Hi Sharon,
Please check what the process in your area is, of having someone involuntarily taken to an emergency room for a psychiatric evaluation. I hope things work out well with your grandson. Peter Goertz

[@jackspain6351]

Leave people the f alone, don't violate their moral if not legal rights

[@Benjamin-xv9le]

You might want to read
Ward-Ciesielski, EF, Rizvi, SL. The potential iatrogenic effects of psychiatric hospitalization for suicidal behavior: A critical review and recommendations for research. Clin Psychol Sci Pract. 2020
and reconsider what the "safe" option is.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for your input Benjamin. Peter Goertz

[@CrazyCoon100]

It’s pretty easy actually. It should be used as a help and not as a punishment.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for your input. Peter Goertz

[@_ii_i]

So true

[@d_skrilla6479]

I just do the understand what the other options are my brother is legitimately not there mentally anymore he had a bad shroom trip early this year and now he wanders the streets jobless and also looks like a mental patient. Every time I bring him to the hospital they put him on meds and he stays a few days until he’s cognizant enough to want to leave. We just keep going in circles and hes going to harm himself or someone else yet I cant get him into a home. He cannot be in society for the time being. Hes even stalking a female coworker.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Based on what you describe your brother may need to go to a psychiatric hospital again. In the US in such situations it can be helpful for the family to speak with a lawyer about trying to get power of attorney for the patient. Thank you for sharing this. Peter Goertz

[@adelekelly455]

The problem is insight. Many sick people dont think they are sick because their mood state or delusions are real to them. Ive had mania and thought I was fine...I was not.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Hi Adele, Thank you for your personal input. Peter Goertz

[@buddhaneosiddhananda8499]

A judgmental person is the most toxic person of all... ups and downs are part of life... in actual fact much of the problems of the world come from the psychiatric profession... they are all evil villains... 😰😰

[@capresti3537]

And where is the evidence to prove that?. Its only a subjective opinion of a stranger. Moods, thoughts feelings is not a disease that needs medical treatment.

[@x9x1x6x]

Psychiatry ruined my life

[@HootBandersnatch-gu3kl]

Please get any records about yourself to see what they are saying. It is YOUR health.

[@Budguy68]

Crazy how you can be thrown in a looney bin based on someone's opinion or how they "feel" about you.
Yes some ppl obviously need help. But dang.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for your input. Peter Goertz

[@JordanShackelford]

During an emergency detention I tried to run away for fear of losing my job. Counselor omitted data supporting my stable condition and false claimed I said I had ongoing desire to commit suicide, causing me to be involuntarily committed.e I have been trying to get it fixed for over 7 years but no one will help. I lost my job as a security guard and was kicked out of my apartment.
I specifically told everyone that I just wanted to go home and go back to work but they refused to listen

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you Jordan for sharing this. Peter Goertz

[@michaelyoon9355]

I think when I admitted someone and brought security to that black kid, it was moreso I'm autistic than any real racism....

[@PegaPorco]

What if someone is sectioned without any proof of them wanting to harm themselves? Can the patient just leave after 3 days? Is there any immediate action the Psychiatrist in charge can take to keep the person in there? Thanks!

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Laws can be different from place to place. From a psychiatric perspective a psychiatrist will want to keep a patient in a psychiatric hospital, if the psychiatrist feels, that the patient is dangerous to themself or others, or unable to care for themself outside of a psychiatric hospital. Peter Goertz

[@user-kb8qw7dy4t]

I mean, involuntary hospitalization seems preferable to the prison system, which is often the case. Corrections officers sure as hell aren't going to make sure everyone's taking their meds.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for your input. Peter Goertz

[@royberger2259]

I would very much like to hear your opinion on how this might be translated into helping fentanyl and powder users who are coming to a bad end.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for bringing this up. I am frequently confronted with the issue of self destructive behavior, e.g. IV drug use and using dirty needles, without suicidal ideation or another urgent psychiatric problem. This video addresses this issue: th-cam.com/video/dIQyuw5aRy8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Je2e5hDImD6vBZr5

[@dennisruigrok]

Then the only sane thing to do is get depressed.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Interesting perspective.

[@CricketGirrl]

I turned down voluntary inpatient treatment offered by my psychiatrist because of how horrible my experience at the hands of the ER staff was the night before. Now my husband and I have an agreement: never call 911, even if I am having a stroke or a heart attack or am actively dying. I have also signed a DNR. The two charge nurses who denied me a wheelchair and access to a toilet plus ridiculed my inability to walk that night ruined my life.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you Angela for sharing your difficult experience. Peter Goertz

[@champ8899]

Drop all your opinion bs.....the lawful handle on this is WHAT CRIME has a man committed and what man or woman has filed a complaint envolving actual harm or trespass.........evaluations are like drugs,they fail in the long run!

[@Kjspun1021]

Where was my cool guitar playing Dr. Wen i flew over the cu cus nest....

[@hello-fc6di]

Haha "you" (psychiatries in general) wont "get me" since I live in a european country and here I can live relatively well and alone (with some ambulant assistance though) despite having tic disorder, impulse control problems (but like i said, life is manageable and that makes impulse control manageable too) and brain fog.
Hahaha! Infrastructure beats everything.
F all this individualistic psychiatry garbage!
(Mine is fine though, but I enjoy generalizing)

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you for your input. Peter Goertz

[@christianlee9988]

Love this video!

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you Christian! Peter Goertz

[@lorenzomartinez8640]

Do these 5150 holds prevent you from becoming a police officer?

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

I don’t know.

[@SchiZ03]

if someone was baker acted and the baker act has expired and no extension can said person still apply for a cwfl or is said person a prohibited person

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Sorry, I don’t understand the question. Peter Goertz

[@SchiZ03]

@@goertzpsychiatry9340 do i lose my second amendment rights if i was baker acted?

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

@@SchiZ03 A lawyer is probably the best person to ask about this.

[@wildfiregirl1556]

Facts. He is a dick!!

[@yousuckballsify]

I met a psychiatrist who supported abortion nope

[@Locoautizzy1414]

When studies like this exist, doctors and researches should be fighting to make changes in this fucked up system and fighting to find better ways that actually benefits the individual. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5710249/

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

Thank you Taylor for your input. Peter Goertz

[@_ii_i]

My question is
WHY are all these places usually disgusting decrepit prisons and not nicely tended clean and proper living spaces? Why do they have a major reputation for always being the worst part of the hospital? Why are they always left in such decay if theyre supposed to help people and we all know 75 percent of the time I'd guess they HURT vulnerable citizens more?!