Nice video, a couple of things: it's ok to use the loco brake as a secondary brake to keep your train under control. In fact in older locomotives with light trains you can get away with using it more frequently. However, remember that safety is paramount and you should always prefer the train brake as all vehicles are braking the train where fitted. What you're referring to as 'gearing' this is known as field diverting in the traction motors, explained as follows: As a traction motor starts to turn, interaction of the magnetic fields inside causes it to generate a voltage internally. This is known as 'back-EMF' (ElectroMotive Force) which opposes the applied voltage and the current that flows is governed by the difference between the two. As the motor speeds up, the internally generated voltage rises, the resultant EMF falls, less current passes through the motor and the torque drops. The motor naturally stops accelerating when the drag of the train matches the torque produced by the motors. To continue accelerating the train, the current is diverted through different sets of either series (lower power notches) or parallel (higher power notches) resistors step-by-step. Each step increases the effective voltage and thus the current and torque for a little bit longer until the motor catches up. This can be heard by the change in engine pitch and traction motor whine, each accompanied by a burst of acceleration as the torque suddenly increases in response to the new surge of current. When no resistors are left in the circuit, full line voltage is applied directly to the motor. The train's speed remains constant at the point where the torque of the motor, governed by the effective voltage, equals the drag - sometimes referred to as balancing speed. If the train starts to climb an incline, the speed reduces because drag is greater than torque and the reduction in speed causes the back-EMF to fall and thus the effective voltage to rise - until the current through the motor produces enough torque to match the new drag.
Once again Pete, you have let me without words for buying routes! =-D You do an absolutely stunning job on these videos as you put so much effort and commitment towards them. Whatever the weather, I will always have you on my top subscriber list!
Josh Thorpe Thanks Josh! I'm glad you enjoy the work that I do, and your comment really means a lot! :) There will be a second video released tonight on the brand new route, so look out for that :)
HI. Just getting into Train Sim and enjoy these videos. As a driver on my local preserved line (classes 33,37,47 and 50) I would like to make a few points on the brakes on the class 37 used on this Kyle video.I have just spent a day driving a loco for Armstrong Powerhouse to record. The 3 gauges along the bottom of the panel from left to right are. 1.Train Air Brake pipe.(The master brake pipe on Duel Air and Vacuum Brake locos) 2.Vacuum brake pipe gauge -left needle is the one for the train pipe and the right hand one is for the reservoir.( On an Air Braked train the middle gauge is not used and both needles should be at 0). 3.Bogie Brake pressure on each loco bogie. When the brakes are fully released the left hand gauge should read 5 bar (or 72 ½ inch in old money), Both gauges on the vacuum should read 21inch if in use and the loco brakes )and train brakes) would be off. Applying the train brake to the INITIAL or step one mark lowers the left hand guage to around 62 inch, which in turn lowers the left hand Vacuum needle to around 16inch and as well as making a light brake application on the train proportionally makes a 10 to 20 psi loco bogie application shown on the right hand gauge. Further application between initial and full service decreases the Train Brake pipe and ,vacuum pipe if in use and proportionally applies the bogie and train brakes to a greater degree. Putting the Train Brake into EMERGENCY puts the left hand gauge to zero,the vacuum left hand needle to zero and fully applies all brakes.NOTE-If Vacuum brake in use the right hand needle should always read 21 inch. So if all these where shown to be working in this sim you would control the train speed with an initial application on the Train Brake and would be able to see how much brake was being applied by the amount of bogie brake pressure. The LOCO brake should not be used on passenger trains for braking or stopping as it will give the passengers a very bumpy ride as the coaches would buffer up on braking and snatch on releasing . It is normally used at stations to hold the train before departure -after releasing the train brakes ready -then apply power and release the loco brake to move off without rolling backwards. Hope this helps. PS-The twitch in the Ammeter around 25 mph is indeed like a gear change-but is called field diverts- where the current to the traction motors is altered-Further diverts at higher speeds but I have not go the figures in front of me.
Another excellent route. Was checking the stations you stopped at online and love how the route makers have made them look as close as possible to real life.
Duirinish pronounced joor-i-nish Also .. Achnasheen, Lochalsh and just Loch all have CH pronounced softly or guttural not hard like Acknasheen or Lock. Try the words from other countries like Rioja or even Bach and you get the idea ..
Peter, Yet another brilliant video and one of the best yet. I may be biased, though, as I did this journey in the mid 1960s both ways to and from a climbing holiday on Skye. We had a class 27 both ways and three coaches, the middle of which was a full break as they acted as parcel couriers on those days. We had a holiday in the area a few years ago and drove alongside the route several times. The concrete structure where road and rail share a narrow strip of land near Stromeferry (which I have heard pronounced Stroamferry, not Stromferry, by the locals) is an avalanche shelter because of the fractured rock and scree on the hillside above. I look forward to part two. Many thanks, Roger Crick
So you were spot on with your first pronunciation of Stromeferry. 'Strom-ferry' Duirinish is a little different but you were very close. Coming from gaelic the D is softened so it sounds almost like a J I would pronounce it 'Joor-in-ish'
Have actually travelled the route from Garve to Kyle in real life. You can only see Skye if you coming into Kyle from Inverness. The mountains that you could see at the beginning from Kyle to Duirinish was not Skye but the Applecross peninsula, possibly Torridon mountains in distance, with the water on the left being Loch Carron that ends at Strathcarron.
zarak002 Thanks for the info! I've been to the Applecross peninsula in real life, and stayed in the village of Applecross. I was just a bit disorientated as to which direction I was facing in this video.
Easy mistake to make. The line tends to go north east from Kyle up to Achnasheen. It was such a beautiful line to travel on. With such small stations and request stops I can see why they use 158s now.
Brilliant video Pete, As you know I am new to Train Simulator and loving it, I will be getting this route as it looks stunning, I purchased the manningtree to Harwich town route that I think is cool along with the AP class 321, With me being a newbie, I sometimes have trouble getting this train to move lol, can you give me any pointers?
Jeff Maher Thanks Jeff! There will be another video up in a couple of hours of the brand new route which was released today. :) I'm glad that you are enjoying the new route you bought and the AP 321, and also glad to hear you are enjoying these videos! Which train are you having problems getting to move? :)
Thanks Pete. Its the Armstrong Powerhouse class 321, onb the Harwich town to Manningtree route, I have got it to Manningtree then I had to switch cabs and take it to Colchester at which point I couldnt get the train to move. I think its a case of not following the right precedure more than anything. Any help is greatly appreciated :-)
sirrliv I certainly would. I've already covered the freeware Exeter to Barnstaple route. It all depends on the quality of the route as to whether or not I will cover it :)
I can certainly vouch for the Esthwaite Branch; for a freeware route that's a few years old, it blows a lot of payware routes out of the water with its level of detail, all done with freely available content. There's also a project from Second Valve Productions to update the route, a sort of "Version 2" in a way, but using some payware content. I have spoken with the SVP guys though and they've confirmed that they will also be making a smaller update for the original route to fix a couple errors & make it Quick Drive enabled. Another freeware route I can recommend is the Leek & Manifold Light Railway, a very highly detailed narrow gauge railway, a rarity in Railworks.
PTGRail Glad to hear it! Two more I might humbly recommend (though I confess more from reputation than experience) are the German Altenburg - Wildau route and the Czech narrow gauge Úzkorozchodná trať (I think that's its name, anyway. I can't read Romanized Czech).
how comes the class 37 with ap sounds for you works I have the class 37 with ap sounds all of them work except the Kyle Line ones with key sync and model problems like the controls in the cab not moving.
Aidankiwi I am always asking people for constructive feedback on how to pronounce place names correctly for the future. I am open to correction, so there's no need to take such an irate tone :)
Nice video, a couple of things: it's ok to use the loco brake as a secondary brake to keep your train under control. In fact in older locomotives with light trains you can get away with using it more frequently. However, remember that safety is paramount and you should always prefer the train brake as all vehicles are braking the train where fitted.
What you're referring to as 'gearing' this is known as field diverting in the traction motors, explained as follows:
As a traction motor starts to turn, interaction of the magnetic fields inside causes it to generate a voltage internally. This is known as 'back-EMF' (ElectroMotive Force) which opposes the applied voltage and the current that flows is governed by the difference between the two. As the motor speeds up, the internally generated voltage rises, the resultant EMF falls, less current passes through the motor and the torque drops. The motor naturally stops accelerating when the drag of the train matches the torque produced by the motors. To continue accelerating the train, the current is diverted through different sets of either series (lower power notches) or parallel (higher power notches) resistors step-by-step. Each step increases the effective voltage and thus the current and torque for a little bit longer until the motor catches up. This can be heard by the change in engine pitch and traction motor whine, each accompanied by a burst of acceleration as the torque suddenly increases in response to the new surge of current. When no resistors are left in the circuit, full line voltage is applied directly to the motor. The train's speed remains constant at the point where the torque of the motor, governed by the effective voltage, equals the drag - sometimes referred to as balancing speed. If the train starts to climb an incline, the speed reduces because drag is greater than torque and the reduction in speed causes the back-EMF to fall and thus the effective voltage to rise - until the current through the motor produces enough torque to match the new drag.
purplesmurf2010 Thanks for that information! Very useful and helpful. I've always wondered about this :)
Once again Pete, you have let me without words for buying routes! =-D You do an absolutely stunning job on these videos as you put so much effort and commitment towards them. Whatever the weather, I will always have you on my top subscriber list!
Josh Thorpe Thanks Josh! I'm glad you enjoy the work that I do, and your comment really means a lot! :) There will be a second video released tonight on the brand new route, so look out for that :)
Oh I will!
HI.
Just getting into Train Sim and enjoy these videos.
As a driver on my local preserved line (classes 33,37,47 and 50) I would like to make a few points on the brakes on the class 37 used on this Kyle video.I have just spent a day driving a loco for Armstrong Powerhouse
to record.
The 3 gauges along the bottom of the panel from left to right are.
1.Train Air Brake pipe.(The master brake pipe on Duel Air and Vacuum Brake locos)
2.Vacuum brake pipe gauge -left needle is the one for the train pipe and the right hand one is for the reservoir.( On an Air Braked train the middle gauge is not used and both needles should be at 0).
3.Bogie Brake pressure on each loco bogie.
When the brakes are fully released the left hand gauge should read 5 bar (or 72 ½ inch in old money), Both gauges on the vacuum should read 21inch if in use and the loco brakes )and train brakes) would be off. Applying the train brake to the INITIAL or step one mark lowers the left hand guage to around 62 inch, which in turn lowers the left hand Vacuum needle to around 16inch and as well as making a light brake application on the train proportionally makes a 10 to 20 psi loco bogie application shown on the right hand gauge.
Further application between initial and full service decreases the Train Brake pipe and ,vacuum pipe if in use and proportionally applies the bogie and train brakes to a greater degree. Putting the Train Brake into EMERGENCY puts the left hand gauge to zero,the vacuum left hand needle to zero and fully applies all brakes.NOTE-If Vacuum brake in use the right hand needle should always read 21 inch.
So if all these where shown to be working in this sim you would control the train speed with an initial application on the Train Brake and would be able to see how much brake was being applied by the amount of bogie brake pressure.
The LOCO brake should not be used on passenger trains for braking or stopping as it will give the passengers a very bumpy ride as the coaches would buffer up on braking and snatch on releasing .
It is normally used at stations to hold the train before departure -after releasing the train brakes ready -then apply power and release the loco brake to move off without rolling backwards.
Hope this helps.
PS-The twitch in the Ammeter around 25 mph is indeed like a gear change-but is called field diverts- where the current to the traction motors is altered-Further diverts at higher speeds but I have not go the figures in front of me.
Another excellent route. Was checking the stations you stopped at online and love how the route makers have made them look as close as possible to real life.
+marshallmercury This is a pretty good route, I agree. I love the accuracy within most routes within Train Simulator :)
In Sydney we have plenty of platforms which only fit 1 car and only the rear door but these are only on request.
Duirinish pronounced joor-i-nish
Also .. Achnasheen, Lochalsh and just Loch all have CH pronounced softly or guttural not hard like Acknasheen or Lock. Try the words from other countries like Rioja or even Bach and you get the idea ..
Peter, Yet another brilliant video and one of the best yet. I may be biased, though, as I did this journey in the mid 1960s both ways to and from a climbing holiday on Skye. We had a class 27 both ways and three coaches, the middle of which was a full break as they acted as parcel couriers on those days.
We had a holiday in the area a few years ago and drove alongside the route several times. The concrete structure where road and rail share a narrow strip of land near Stromeferry (which I have heard pronounced Stroamferry, not Stromferry, by the locals) is an avalanche shelter because of the fractured rock and scree on the hillside above.
I look forward to part two. Many thanks, Roger Crick
Roger Crick Class 27s never operated on the Kyle line, it would have been either a Class 24 or 26.
So you were spot on with your first pronunciation of Stromeferry.
'Strom-ferry'
Duirinish is a little different but you were very close. Coming from gaelic the D is softened so it sounds almost like a J
I would pronounce it 'Joor-in-ish'
30:00 why is there a fence?
Have actually travelled the route from Garve to Kyle in real life. You can only see Skye if you coming into Kyle from Inverness. The mountains that you could see at the beginning from Kyle to Duirinish was not Skye but the Applecross peninsula, possibly Torridon mountains in distance, with the water on the left being Loch Carron that ends at Strathcarron.
zarak002 Thanks for the info! I've been to the Applecross peninsula in real life, and stayed in the village of Applecross. I was just a bit disorientated as to which direction I was facing in this video.
Easy mistake to make. The line tends to go north east from Kyle up to Achnasheen. It was such a beautiful line to travel on. With such small stations and request stops I can see why they use 158s now.
Hey i was just wandering if you plan to do the Newcastle-Edinburgh route at some point.
Patrick Donnolley I do indeed, though it may take a while due to issues with the scenario editor :)
PTGRail where's kyle of losach to Inverness part 2
Jacob O'malley It's the next video I will be uploading. I am currently working on it :)
PTGRail OK and I've just watched it
Jakey
Brilliant video Pete, As you know I am new to Train Simulator and loving it, I will be getting this route as it looks stunning, I purchased the manningtree to Harwich town route that I think is cool along with the AP class 321, With me being a newbie, I sometimes have trouble getting this train to move lol, can you give me any pointers?
Jeff Maher Thanks Jeff! There will be another video up in a couple of hours of the brand new route which was released today. :) I'm glad that you are enjoying the new route you bought and the AP 321, and also glad to hear you are enjoying these videos! Which train are you having problems getting to move? :)
Thanks Pete. Its the Armstrong Powerhouse class 321, onb the Harwich town to Manningtree route, I have got it to Manningtree then I had to switch cabs and take it to Colchester at which point I couldnt get the train to move. I think its a case of not following the right precedure more than anything. Any help is greatly appreciated :-)
Will you consider doing route learning videos for any freeware routes, such as the Esthwaite Branch?
sirrliv I certainly would. I've already covered the freeware Exeter to Barnstaple route. It all depends on the quality of the route as to whether or not I will cover it :)
I can certainly vouch for the Esthwaite Branch; for a freeware route that's a few years old, it blows a lot of payware routes out of the water with its level of detail, all done with freely available content. There's also a project from Second Valve Productions to update the route, a sort of "Version 2" in a way, but using some payware content. I have spoken with the SVP guys though and they've confirmed that they will also be making a smaller update for the original route to fix a couple errors & make it Quick Drive enabled.
Another freeware route I can recommend is the Leek & Manifold Light Railway, a very highly detailed narrow gauge railway, a rarity in Railworks.
sirrliv Thanks for the information, I will check these routes out and see if I can make some videos on them :)
PTGRail Glad to hear it! Two more I might humbly recommend (though I confess more from reputation than experience) are the German Altenburg - Wildau route and the Czech narrow gauge Úzkorozchodná trať (I think that's its name, anyway. I can't read Romanized Czech).
sirrliv who's SVP?
how comes the class 37 with ap sounds for you works I have the class 37 with ap sounds all of them work except the Kyle Line ones with key sync and model problems like the controls in the cab not moving.
This loco is a default 37, not the one which comes with the Kyle Line.
i take it that the kyle line one doesnt work for you either due to the sound pack.
How did you change the FOV please. I've tried the normal command line but it will not change. Grrrrr
+Slipstream The command line is case sensitive, so it has to be -SetFOV=85 (just copy and paste that) :)
This looks like a beautiful route, what is it called on steam and also Great video.
This route isn't available on Steam, but is instead available at www.justtrains.net and it's called the Kyle Line :)
this would be the perfect route and engine for TSW on consoles. I'd never be off it!
Hi Pete... now there's a coincidence! My wife and I are doing this trip next week....
www.railtrail.co.uk/Tour/2015_Romantic_Highlander_6
John Warren Wow, that looks great! I hope you have an awesome time! I must confess to being ever so slightly jealous lol :p
John Warren Lucky
Where is Kyle of Lockalsh and Acknasheen? At least learn to pronounce the names correctly.
Aidankiwi I make an effort to try, but it's difficult when I can't find correct pronunciations and I'm not all that familiar with the area.
Aidankiwi I am always asking people for constructive feedback on how to pronounce place names correctly for the future. I am open to correction, so there's no need to take such an irate tone :)