Randy was destroying but throwing at the same time. Like when they drove by 3 cops in a shootout and started just going in circles. Even irl cops would’ve had guns focused on the car.
@@diasabdishev1964 the only cop who revived himself was cornwood who accidently got reinvolved in the situation whilst responding to an unrelated issue down the road. You just sound stupid acting like they do banable offenses live on stream
@@sugamynutz731 He literally did multiple bannable things during the scenario. I really like Esfand, I wonder if something's maybe stressing him out, but the entire scene was very bad faith on his part and he should not be responding to the issue down the road because that's still the vicinity of an area he just died in and is still in active RP and he absolutely should not be calling out information after he was shot multiple times and then ran over at nearly 100 mph and slammed directly into a concrete wall with a 20+ lb piece of metal and a speeding ricer sandwiching. Say "well I'm not dead" all you want, you'd be in a fucking coma if you were alive. CG was doing drive bys in a 9 block radius for a half hour, it is not an acceptable defense to be like "oh I was down the block, not like, ACTUALLY THERE."
@@luckerooni1153 esfand wasnt the problem though, at best he was a minor annoyance. it the constant spawning of new cops when they heard what happen and log into the game. that some meta game breaking shit.
Taco's POV was crazy, they honestly would of won this if pistol's didn't have such bad damage falloff. I watched him shoot like 3 or 4 cops with 8+ shots and they just walk it off lol he did so much damage
Or if Uzi s weren't also trash..you have a superior force with are,radios,numbers,and a heli..and then cry and want to bann motorcycles cuz that give crims a better chance..The cops remind me of our government
Cops are straight up playing like it is a Team death match against CG. They call for reinforcements, they have people that were already downed getting picked up and then joining the same shootout that they were a part of (Cornwood), Stream sniping and then getting on duty (Dan), and are using AR's against pistols while having 5x the numbers and the crims dont have radios. That was the hungriest i have ever seen the cops in NP ever.
I have no idea what everybody is complaining about. We could complain about the fact that cg used mike blocks bench trial to split up the police which is against the rules. Cops actively go on duty when fun scenarios go down all the time. Most of your favorite streamers when they know a bank job are going down do the same. Going on duty to join in is fine. Only 19 of the active 20 cops on the server showed up. The only person who fucked up on the police side would be cornwood for going back. But if we included him going back. Then it was a completely fair fight of the whole police vs cg of the 20 active at once cops vs chang gang. If they had actually planned a bit and stolen some ars would of won
@@sugamynutz731 They are complaining that they completely threw away with the SOP from 2.0. They need to cap the limit of cops that can be on a scene, like Pred did right before this shootout happened at the bank. He told other officers to not come to the scene due to them already having like 10 cops there. Crims already have the disadvantage of communication due to no radios, limit of how many people can do crime and pistols vs AR's. The only advantage that the crims have is not being recognizable from switich cars and outfits.
Should be interesting to see if Ramee brings forth the evidence of 3 cops watching his stream and then logging on to join the fight. Dan Faily, Spartan and Lily Pond.
If he has proof that they were watching streams and then logged in just to join I don't think that would deserve a band but they would be some harsh criticisms levied against all three of them in a rule put in place to where if you sign on duty and there's an active situation you cannot respond to it.
@@starvinmarvin351 don’t they already have that rule? That if a cop signs on and there’s an active situation already playing out, they’re not allowed to respond to it? I’m pretty sure I heard ramee talking about that a few weeks ago.
Logging in just to join and coming back after being downed is very cringe. They already had every type of advantage possible, and they still might’ve responded to it. That kind of behavior literally proves the annoying stereotype of “they just want the W” right. I hope they actually didn’t do that. All in all it was really good content. Although, I wish the processing would’ve been smoother with way less salt from both sides.
Cops messed up 100%, they ruin RP then cheating like logging in to participate, then dumb reporters that should not be involve in the scene helped cops to revive, then others telling directions while being down, cops is BS..
Andrew should had joined them but who knows he's irl police cant leave duty for a game etc who knows, but u know criminals cant do crime rp if there is no cop cuz of power gaming but that would apply to cg cuz only them would know the whole pd is down but still the rest people wont get advanced of the situation cuz imo pd will always be at the top of activity than criminals
Isn't that what cops do 24/7? Powergame/spawn in vehicles/spawn in weapons/spawn in helis just to "get their W". Give me an example where this doesn't happen
@@gegas1989 what? you mean if there are no crims, there is no cop rp. right? Crims can rob banks and fight over oxy spots even without cops being involved. they can also do gang wars.
I have no idea what everybody is complaining about. We could complain about the fact that cg used mike blocks bench trial to split up the police which is against the rules. Cops actively go on duty when fun scenarios go down all the time. Most of your favorite streamers when they know a bank job are going down do the same. Going on duty to join in is fine. Only 19 of the active 20 cops on the server showed up. The only person who fucked up on the police side would be cornwood for going back. But if we included him going back. Then it was a completely fair fight of the whole police vs cg of the 20 active at once cops vs chang gang. And at the end of the day with radios ar's and meth. Chang gang would of won.
The CG reality checks have been great this week. Whatever buffs or SOPs are put in, crims adapt to a point where their skill equals or surpasses the cops numbers and comms. The funny thing is the length of time people were laying in the streets would have been cut in half if the crims had radios.
Main thing I really didn't like was cops being picked up by a news van to go to the hospital and more cops getting on just to go to the shoot out. But CG still held it down to the very end.
Pond, Dan and Spartan should be banned for what they pulled yesterday. literally logged on after watching the incident go down on stream and instantly joined the active scene. and also so many officers reviving each other after going down. really pathetic how cops meta-gamed and power-gamed and still got fucking clapped on by CG. CG is too OP.
As is they took out all but like 3 excluding cops that were watching streams and only got on knowing what was going on to help and even rekilled atleast 1 cop that hit the hospital and came back which he was told to but is against the rules. Which as far as I can tell from what I saw 4 cops watching stream got on to join in so they wiped 12/15 and could of escaped if they didn’t push that roof and possibly could of even wiped the last now 7 left. Cops etc. Will say this is why crims only need 4 but all of CG have insanely good aim and are skilled in shooting games where as cops are mostly like mmo players outside of np hence why they need their ars lol. But like any other crew here like say but CB in same situation they would of either dipped way earlier or died before they left the bank
Like dean (a dev) said. The server will always be attuned to chang gang. If you arent as good as chang gang maybe dont rob banks and kill cops. Also for those wondering the final count was 19v4 . With a single revive by cornwood making it 20v4 (he responded to a situation nearbye after bring revived and was then shot at is what i heard)
Honest question because I saw this spammed in almost every chat involved in the shootout, which cops died and returned to scene? I was trying to watch multiple povs and stuck with Ripley for a while, never saw anyone revive because ems couldn't even get near the scene hahahaha, just curious cause this seems like we gonna see some spicy drama hahahaha
These people i know for certain who came back Cornwood, he came back after healed in hospital, was killed again and still gave directions on radio Dan, hopped on server in between CG vs. Police shoot out so he can join in Chang Gang had to fight with pistols against 19 Cops with ARs, they were able to kill 13 of them.
@@netherdrake436 ohhh ok I thought they were more because everyone was spamming and asking about that, even Ripley said they shouldn't do that, that they just do it for prison breaks since more cops are needed
All in all cops cant take L, but for real chang gang wins in this gun fights, cops are cheating, they heal, they come back, some logging on to help, cops is BS.. So cringe, if they got down, stay down, the reporters who help them dont know nothing, they should not be involve, they should just do their jobs like filming not doing some favor to the cops, this is so stupid..
@@jbtuts0520 I agree with the reporter thing, it's justified in role-play trying to help, but honestly this big of a shoot out basically becomes a mini event for crims and cops, they should wait till it finishes to get involved
Question of the day. If someone successfully hacked one of your computers but didn't do anything but open the front door and go inside, would you know? Why/how do cops get notified of a bank robbery if a criminal has a laptop that allows them to HACK the door if they complete the hack first try?
i think for rp perspective they could have triggered an alarm when the vault opens, they hack it to open it, doesn't mean they don't disable the silent arm
Then it would either force cops to camp banks or hackers who can 1 shit would go in solo if they fail they run out the door and try later. They would farm banks till it gets nerfed and no one would do banks.
Would play out awful for the experience over time but what if someone ran in by themselves, no hostage, hacked first try, and then just left the bank and hid somewhere and hoped the cops left so you could take the money 🤔
The only person who did that was cornwood. As he responded to a situation nearbye after being revived ( atleast thats what i Heard) and was then shot at and re contributed to the situation. Which at the end of the day would of made it a 20v4 the whole force of the active pd on the force (baas was in trial)
so cops literaly heard about the shootout n changed in their cop characters or they saw someones stream about it and hopped on thats just really shitty in my opinion it was already a 15+v4 more hopping on their cop characted after finding out about the shootout is just really shitty
@@Syn741 even when he sees them he goes circles in front of them they get clear sight of them where they don’t get seen but he keeps hesitating to get down in shot
@@Dragunnar if he doesn't feel that it's a 100% kill don't take the shot. they will die in 1 shot to the head. if he misses, it's gonna be bad, AR can easily kill them with body shots let alone head.
@@Dragunnar you're dumb. Rated is literally one of the most ruthless shooters on the server. This was calculated as they were trying to rescue Taco and K from the roof. Then of course Ramee's dumb idea killed both Ramee and Randy instantly when trying to get to roof of mall.
@@sirken2 Respawn as in revived at pillbox. BUT he did in fact come back to the scene twice. Which is why baass tells them over comms to know listen to what he just said (he was downed by Mr. K via gunshot/car).
Is returning to scene allowed, is seems a bit op even if you are healed at pillbox, it means you have an unlimited amount of bodies versus an extremely limited amount
@@davidsequeira92 No, it generally isn't allowed. Here is the clip clips.twitch.tv/CourageousRespectfulGoldfishCmonBruh-16GONfmdAL71pay1 Listen for baas.
All I can say you’s did way better than the cops at lest u don’t stay camping one spot. So I say u toke the w not them I winner is the one always moving but at least some of the cops tried
Are you dumb although Ramee has shit on this channel before. He had to admit that this dude has to be appreciated. He was able to the the see the cg vs lb war and other highlights that were forcibly removed from twitch
Even ramee and rated reacted to the videos from this channel.... I think in yesterday's stream too ramee looked at one of the clips from this channel.... If they had any problem they will call out themselves...
Feel like those cops that log in to join the shootout should get some kind of punishment. It so obvious they meta game.
Old cg its nice to see them back to their ruthless ways
Randy literally damn near soloed the whole PD LUL
Randy was destroying but throwing at the same time. Like when they drove by 3 cops in a shootout and started just going in circles. Even irl cops would’ve had guns focused on the car.
CHANG gang is insane dude..... 20v4 dude got almost everyone
Yeah if cops didn’t revive each other
@@diasabdishev1964 the only cop who revived himself was cornwood who accidently got reinvolved in the situation whilst responding to an unrelated issue down the road. You just sound stupid acting like they do banable offenses live on stream
@@sugamynutz731 He literally did multiple bannable things during the scenario. I really like Esfand, I wonder if something's maybe stressing him out, but the entire scene was very bad faith on his part and he should not be responding to the issue down the road because that's still the vicinity of an area he just died in and is still in active RP and he absolutely should not be calling out information after he was shot multiple times and then ran over at nearly 100 mph and slammed directly into a concrete wall with a 20+ lb piece of metal and a speeding ricer sandwiching. Say "well I'm not dead" all you want, you'd be in a fucking coma if you were alive. CG was doing drive bys in a 9 block radius for a half hour, it is not an acceptable defense to be like "oh I was down the block, not like, ACTUALLY THERE."
@@luckerooni1153 he was literaly 7 blocks away
@@luckerooni1153 esfand wasnt the problem though, at best he was a minor annoyance. it the constant spawning of new cops when they heard what happen and log into the game. that some meta game breaking shit.
Taco's POV was crazy, they honestly would of won this if pistol's didn't have such bad damage falloff. I watched him shoot like 3 or 4 cops with 8+ shots and they just walk it off lol he did so much damage
Or if Uzi s weren't also trash..you have a superior force with are,radios,numbers,and a heli..and then cry and want to bann motorcycles cuz that give crims a better chance..The cops remind me of our government
u saw what mr.k did to cornwood he even fuking rammed him n he lived
No AR and radio but still does a lot of damage. CG back to ruthless way.
i was searching everywhere for this because i saw clips, damn you came in clutch
Cops are straight up playing like it is a Team death match against CG. They call for reinforcements, they have people that were already downed getting picked up and then joining the same shootout that they were a part of (Cornwood), Stream sniping and then getting on duty (Dan), and are using AR's against pistols while having 5x the numbers and the crims dont have radios. That was the hungriest i have ever seen the cops in NP ever.
I have no idea what everybody is complaining about. We could complain about the fact that cg used mike blocks bench trial to split up the police which is against the rules. Cops actively go on duty when fun scenarios go down all the time. Most of your favorite streamers when they know a bank job are going down do the same. Going on duty to join in is fine. Only 19 of the active 20 cops on the server showed up. The only person who fucked up on the police side would be cornwood for going back. But if we included him going back. Then it was a completely fair fight of the whole police vs cg of the 20 active at once cops vs chang gang. If they had actually planned a bit and stolen some ars would of won
@@sugamynutz731 They are complaining that they completely threw away with the SOP from 2.0. They need to cap the limit of cops that can be on a scene, like Pred did right before this shootout happened at the bank. He told other officers to not come to the scene due to them already having like 10 cops there. Crims already have the disadvantage of communication due to no radios, limit of how many people can do crime and pistols vs AR's. The only advantage that the crims have is not being recognizable from switich cars and outfits.
@@nickdavidow172 W
@@sugamynutz731 L
Should be interesting to see if Ramee brings forth the evidence of 3 cops watching his stream and then logging on to join the fight. Dan Faily, Spartan and Lily Pond.
If he has proof that they were watching streams and then logged in just to join I don't think that would deserve a band but they would be some harsh criticisms levied against all three of them in a rule put in place to where if you sign on duty and there's an active situation you cannot respond to it.
@@starvinmarvin351 don’t they already have that rule? That if a cop signs on and there’s an active situation already playing out, they’re not allowed to respond to it? I’m pretty sure I heard ramee talking about that a few weeks ago.
@@TroubledOnePaydirt yes but it's COPixel so doesn't matter
Logging in just to join and coming back after being downed is very cringe. They already had every type of advantage possible, and they still might’ve responded to it. That kind of behavior literally proves the annoying stereotype of “they just want the W” right. I hope they actually didn’t do that. All in all it was really good content. Although, I wish the processing would’ve been smoother with way less salt from both sides.
Cops messed up 100%, they ruin RP then cheating like logging in to participate, then dumb reporters that should not be involve in the scene helped cops to revive, then others telling directions while being down, cops is BS..
Andrew should had joined them but who knows he's irl police cant leave duty for a game etc who knows, but u know criminals cant do crime rp if there is no cop cuz of power gaming but that would apply to cg cuz only them would know the whole pd is down but still the rest people wont get advanced of the situation cuz imo pd will always be at the top of activity than criminals
Isn't that what cops do 24/7? Powergame/spawn in vehicles/spawn in weapons/spawn in helis just to "get their W". Give me an example where this doesn't happen
@@gegas1989 what? you mean if there are no crims, there is no cop rp. right?
Crims can rob banks and fight over oxy spots even without cops being involved.
they can also do gang wars.
I have no idea what everybody is complaining about. We could complain about the fact that cg used mike blocks bench trial to split up the police which is against the rules. Cops actively go on duty when fun scenarios go down all the time. Most of your favorite streamers when they know a bank job are going down do the same. Going on duty to join in is fine. Only 19 of the active 20 cops on the server showed up. The only person who fucked up on the police side would be cornwood for going back. But if we included him going back. Then it was a completely fair fight of the whole police vs cg of the 20 active at once cops vs chang gang. And at the end of the day with radios ar's and meth. Chang gang would of won.
Too bad Randy didn't bring his rifle 🤣
The CG reality checks have been great this week. Whatever buffs or SOPs are put in, crims adapt to a point where their skill equals or surpasses the cops numbers and comms. The funny thing is the length of time people were laying in the streets would have been cut in half if the crims had radios.
Main thing I really didn't like was cops being picked up by a news van to go to the hospital and more cops getting on just to go to the shoot out. But CG still held it down to the very end.
Now this is the REAL CG
Pond, Dan and Spartan should be banned for what they pulled yesterday. literally logged on after watching the incident go down on stream and instantly joined the active scene. and also so many officers reviving each other after going down. really pathetic how cops meta-gamed and power-gamed and still got fucking clapped on by CG. CG is too OP.
19 ARs vs 4 pistols lol imagine if K or taco just had an AR. They could've easily cleared the cops on roof across from them and it wouldve been over
Mr PP Sadge
Timestamp?
I see it 42:40
Sadgep
this right here is a prime reason why its limited to 4 crims. can you imagine if CG was allowed another person in this, would be a massacre
As is they took out all but like 3 excluding cops that were watching streams and only got on knowing what was going on to help and even rekilled atleast 1 cop that hit the hospital and came back which he was told to but is against the rules. Which as far as I can tell from what I saw 4 cops watching stream got on to join in so they wiped 12/15 and could of escaped if they didn’t push that roof and possibly could of even wiped the last now 7 left. Cops etc. Will say this is why crims only need 4 but all of CG have insanely good aim and are skilled in shooting games where as cops are mostly like mmo players outside of np hence why they need their ars lol. But like any other crew here like say but CB in same situation they would of either dipped way earlier or died before they left the bank
I get it but still not fair the cops can have like 15 cops v 4 and come back after downed
Like dean (a dev) said. The server will always be attuned to chang gang. If you arent as good as chang gang maybe dont rob banks and kill cops. Also for those wondering the final count was 19v4 . With a single revive by cornwood making it 20v4 (he responded to a situation nearbye after bring revived and was then shot at is what i heard)
Honest question because I saw this spammed in almost every chat involved in the shootout, which cops died and returned to scene? I was trying to watch multiple povs and stuck with Ripley for a while, never saw anyone revive because ems couldn't even get near the scene hahahaha, just curious cause this seems like we gonna see some spicy drama hahahaha
None did there was like 3-4 officers left but some news people were taking them to hospo towards the end
These people i know for certain who came back
Cornwood, he came back after healed in hospital, was killed again and still gave directions on radio
Dan, hopped on server in between CG vs. Police shoot out so he can join in
Chang Gang had to fight with pistols against 19 Cops with ARs, they were able to kill 13 of them.
@@netherdrake436 ohhh ok I thought they were more because everyone was spamming and asking about that, even Ripley said they shouldn't do that, that they just do it for prison breaks since more cops are needed
All in all cops cant take L, but for real chang gang wins in this gun fights, cops are cheating, they heal, they come back, some logging on to help, cops is BS.. So cringe, if they got down, stay down, the reporters who help them dont know nothing, they should not be involve, they should just do their jobs like filming not doing some favor to the cops, this is so stupid..
@@jbtuts0520 I agree with the reporter thing, it's justified in role-play trying to help, but honestly this big of a shoot out basically becomes a mini event for crims and cops, they should wait till it finishes to get involved
i havent seen this yet, but im hoping they planned the one taps like “you got the one on left, i got right, “ etc etc that would be lotty
Timmac got shredded lol poor guy didn't see it coming
blows my mind they still dont radios aswell you can get a radio in any walmart even lol
ROFL! K stole that dude car right in front of him
this was a cinematic masterpiece
Sad day to be a Cop RP Stan LUL
AND RAMEE WON THE COURT CASE FOR IT WOOOO
how tf you upload this already jesus
was this today? xD
@@oggaming3443 it was very recent within the last 3 hours
Dude got nasa wifi with a 1 and a half hour vid downloading and uploading to youtube
@@hdung810 ahahah, i just hope this uplading same day dosent fuck his partner or whatever with twitch lol
@@reimagine8606 ahh, do you know why bass put "PERMA" in OOC? xD
MHM. MHM. 👍
I miss the good old 8v4 days
Mere bullets can't stop Cornwood
Cops respawning while this is happening shouldn't be allowed. They already have the AR advantage
I miss the one taps
now imagine they had radios
Chang gang gotta do some gun signals or some for the shootouts kekw
Question of the day.
If someone successfully hacked one of your computers but didn't do anything but open the front door and go inside, would you know?
Why/how do cops get notified of a bank robbery if a criminal has a laptop that allows them to HACK the door if they complete the hack first try?
The moment they use the laptop they're notified.
i think for rp perspective they could have triggered an alarm when the vault opens, they hack it to open it, doesn't mean they don't disable the silent arm
Then it would either force cops to camp banks or hackers who can 1 shit would go in solo if they fail they run out the door and try later. They would farm banks till it gets nerfed and no one would do banks.
Would play out awful for the experience over time but what if someone ran in by themselves, no hostage, hacked first try, and then just left the bank and hid somewhere and hoped the cops left so you could take the money 🤔
@@robertradford4707 its protocol to clear the bank but if ur lucky they are gonna leave before its even open after they clear
so all the cops that metad n hopped on their cop character wont be banned or nothig right even tho them doing that truly changed everything
Yup Randy compared it to COD Zombies lol wave after wave of cops
Those cops just kept on coming, I wonder how many there were, 15-20 something?
Whats that black phone dongle randy put in the glovebox at 5:05
racing dongle
The thing for racing
42:40 Mr.PP Sadge
dude they made the cops cry with pistols. Imagine when they actually get big guns. AHHAHAHAHA
bro if the cops do the "bring to hospital" and then join the fight again they are funny af
The only person who did that was cornwood. As he responded to a situation nearbye after being revived ( atleast thats what i Heard) and was then shot at and re contributed to the situation. Which at the end of the day would of made it a 20v4 the whole force of the active pd on the force (baas was in trial)
I bet theres a few who meta game and log in the cop character when they heard about it.
@@demoth dan did that i think
well if they wanted officers to tone it down a little bit for fleeca robberies this sure as shit wasnt the way to go about it.
so cops literaly heard about the shootout n changed in their cop characters or they saw someones stream about it and hopped on thats just really shitty in my opinion it was already a 15+v4 more hopping on their cop characted after finding out about the shootout is just really shitty
26:10. Poor Claire, one of the few good ones. Sticking to the rp
actually rated hesitates so much
they are up against an AR with no idea where the other cops are. it's reasonable to hesitate in this situation.
@@Syn741 even when he sees them he goes circles in front of them they get clear sight of them where they don’t get seen but he keeps hesitating to get down in shot
@@Dragunnar if he doesn't feel that it's a 100% kill don't take the shot. they will die in 1 shot to the head. if he misses, it's gonna be bad, AR can easily kill them with body shots let alone head.
@@Syn741 bro 90% of people In comment section are stupid, 0 common sense
@@Dragunnar you're dumb. Rated is literally one of the most ruthless shooters on the server. This was calculated as they were trying to rescue Taco and K from the roof. Then of course Ramee's dumb idea killed both Ramee and Randy instantly when trying to get to roof of mall.
Seems like the lash out is finally getting a little out of hand
Why don’t people use hunting rifles for quick 1 taps?
you can't shoot people with them it won't let you
Were cops respawning i didnt watch any cop POVs
Yes atleast it is known that Cornwood did
@@stargirlfps He didn't "respawn" he was downed started playing wow and someone took him to pillbox apparently.
@@sirken2 Respawn as in revived at pillbox. BUT he did in fact come back to the scene twice. Which is why baass tells them over comms to know listen to what he just said (he was downed by Mr. K via gunshot/car).
Is returning to scene allowed, is seems a bit op even if you are healed at pillbox, it means you have an unlimited amount of bodies versus an extremely limited amount
@@davidsequeira92 No, it generally isn't allowed. Here is the clip clips.twitch.tv/CourageousRespectfulGoldfishCmonBruh-16GONfmdAL71pay1
Listen for baas.
Whos body was that cop carrying right at the end there? Was that another cop or did they pop an innocent player?
All I can say you’s did way better than the cops at lest u don’t stay camping one spot. So I say u toke the w not them I winner is the one always moving but at least some of the cops tried
Any cops POV?
I don't understand why people getting mad for cops for using Ar when cg only use Pistol like wtf they're all pro what do you expect
720p can't see half the shit they are talking about reeeeee
Straight rip no editing or nothing. Don’t support channels like this request to not see this channels content on the 3 dots bellow the video
Bruh its a full length vod who wants to see the shoot-outs only and not scroll thought 10 hours of vods what are u on about.
Are you dumb although Ramee has shit on this channel before. He had to admit that this dude has to be appreciated. He was able to the the see the cg vs lb war and other highlights that were forcibly removed from twitch
Even ramee and rated reacted to the videos from this channel.... I think in yesterday's stream too ramee looked at one of the clips from this channel.... If they had any problem they will call out themselves...
Don't support channels like this? Or what? Lol dudes been doing this for a long time he woulda been called out on it if anyone cared.