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- Let’s talk about the 4 levels of “Cheating” in EverQuest. Why do people cheat?
I’m making this because the official rules are unclear & selectively enforced. I’ve done all of these forms of quote cheating. I think some cheating definitely goes too far but others forms are fairly innocent. But the real problem is we, the players, don't actually know what crosses the line. That's what I want to set straight.
I will try to reply to all comments made within 24 hours of a video upload.
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At this point they should just be happy that people are still playing the game. Without the players, the game dies.i used macroquest and paid for 4 accounts monthly, bought all the expansions. Loved it. I tried to play a couple years ago with just 1 account, couldn't get a group or solo, really fun....and my moon has over 11,000 aa's so he's not weak. Just too hard to find a group if you don't have connections now.
MySEQ was the first C# project I wrote, it's nice to see that people are still running it so many years later. I had lots of fun writing it and had an unreleased 3d map feature for it that loaded the maps from the game. Sadly I ended up too busy to continue with it, but it eventually led to my current C# job and a bunch of smaller projects along the way.
You're a legend! MySEQ was a gamechanger.
haha thats awesome, you should totally do a v2
Cavemanbob
I loved MySeq! I was a responsible user. Pretty much used to give me a greater eye on what was happening in the instance my guild was leading. Was no reason for me to use it open world.
Hahahahahahaha you helped so many people steal my camps 🫡
I remember finding out about ShowEQ and it spoiled everything for me, knowing that people had been using that. EQ was truly magical at first; but once I took it seriously, it was a social game. The magic is in those first 20 levels or so when you still haven't turned the music off.
The early days of EQ were so incredible
I’m talking like March thru June of 1999
I’m still chasing that high lol!
I believe I was the first enchanter to get his epic weapon on Yelinak, I managed to do it cold without any ancillary programs whatsoever, didn't even use GINA triggers. I had to fight people using eyes for Cazic in South Ro for the spoon which was probably the hardest part about not cheating
Oooof. Yeah I don't remember the maps use to be so bad but now it's like everyone is using it.
To get her**
who uses Eyes for Cazel in South Ro? he has a spawn location.
They just need to make mercenaries of every class that they already have NPC AI for, and let 1 person have 5 mercs, so you can "solo" a full group of the classes you actually want to playthrough with.
Heck yeah! I'd pay for that. Way better than MQ2.
Guild Wars 1 did this. They were never better than a player taking that spot, but running with a full squad was incredibly satisfying even if you were solo, and you could play whatever and pick your mercenaries to build a functional group. I would love it if any of the mercs in EQ could slow so I didn't feel like I was being incredibly inefficient by not having a slower. I am my raiding guilds only Wizard, and I box a Cleric since that's what my guild needs for raids. Thornblade still has truebox enabled, and I do not have a 3rd PC to run a slower.
@Demilak I used to main a bard, and trueboxed a mage and necro alongside him, with cleric/tank/dps mercs. I wish I could have had a SK/SHM in the mix as mercs. Even better if they let us gear mercs with player gear like regular inventory instead of merc gear
It's a rough topic to address. Without many of these programs the games die, but you did a good job of talking about it.
The only problem is the solution requires too much manpower which they don't have. They can't just ban everyone that uses the software as I'd imagine that would be 50% of the playerbase.
Daybreak already has these detection tools and instead of outright bans, simple warnings and suspensions should suffice. The downside to this approach is there is an overall loss of revenue of boxers. Sadly, there is no new players and they can't do this either... Its a problem where there is no good solution.
Thank you for the insightful comment. Not usual to have nuance here. If they're not gonna enforce the rules per se, then it'd be fairer to regulate it perhaps
Just judging from what Ive seen, I don't necessarily think the boxers are a huge net profit, as they typically have such a strong advantage in plat farming and migrate with the TLP schedule to maximize Krono farm.
Arguably, its the "Casual Andy's" buying Kronos to purchase the boxers fungi and such. I see a lot of single decked out toons versus decked out armies. Typically its mage cheese boxers.
Back in early EQ on Rallos Zek, you always knew who was using showEQ. Back then it primarily ran on Linux. I was just a dumb kid but I went to half-priced books. Got a second hand copy of redhat and installed it on a PC. Figured out how to compile it, setup a passthrough network, etc. All in the name of wanting to cheat at everquest. 23 years later and Linux, programming, etc is my job now. Thank you SEQ!
Oh man, halfpriced books..I miss that place! And it was always dope to watch my buddy play EQ and raid, I was into DAoC at the time.
Yeah, I remember back in the day very few people knew how to use Linux or compile ShowEQ. It was pretty much an instant invite to a high end guild.
The Begotten and Hidden Power were big ShowEQ users
I remember the war with them and how I’d be in some random spot in dreadlands with invis on and they’d just beeline towards me
Later on I used it on TLP and you see literally everyone is using it
@@Merknilash haha i was in begotten mostly towards the end of velious and luclin. I figured out show eq really lright before i quit playing.
@@Raskel8274 Nilear and Nalear used it
In general I have always had a distaste for bots. ruins the community thing overall imho. Esp as you pointed out how the RMTer, or gold farmer, or whatever you want to call them us it. Sorry but the bad apples this time to me way out do the bene's. Like do not get me wrong someone having a clr or something for a duo is nice, but generally i find the bots used for evil, and not neutral or good things.
I've always wanted to cheat in EverQuest. Thank you for creating such an in-depth tutorial on how to cheat without getting caught.
You probably won't last long if you've been incapable of using Google up to this point.
It's actually easy to get caught. Daybreak just don't enforce it too much because most botters pay for at least 3 accounts.
@@ocasioangel regardless, he knows that he's helping the cheaters more than he's helping Daybreak with this video and I for one appreciate the info because I didn't even know where to go to find programs.. Apparently Redguides is the place. I'm sure people there can help further go undetected with a few things.
Huh lol? It's all just a simple google search away. This vid doesn't change much. Just trying to be honest about what people are doing
Yeah definitely. They have anti-cheat detection. Probably a huge list of offenders it's just they don't enforce it
You left out level 5 cheating (jokingly), directly modifying the clients memory. Back in 98 I got banned for modifying the hex in a men editor to give whatever run speed, or warp to different zones, or give skills from other classes to you're character. I only got caught because I accidently warped to sunset home (gm zone I had from being a guide previously). I did get my account back after I explained what technique and memory flags I was using. There are checks in place now but you can still do some nefarious stuff.
I don't condone any of that obviously, but I was 15 at the time and was too curious.
Would be cool if Daybreak would just get rid of "mercs" and make additional characters to be assigned as a "merc" and would use the same automation that a merc uses. This would require an additional sub for your "merc". Increasing dollars into the game...and would be able to regulate "cheating"
I like this Idea and what's more if you do have a family member that wants to play they can take up one of the characters to join in...
In WoW I would use all my family members accounts to maintain their characters and or have my own multi box sets...
Chainbreakers has this. You can recruit an alt on the same account to act as a merc and even switch control between them while ooc.
I remember doing the Mistchief TLP and talking to my group about what they did... GMs really don't care as long as people are paying money for krono... take away krono, farmers won't have anything significant to farm for. GMs also need to be consistent with bans as you said
Man, krono is such a hard thing. It causes problems but at the same time, if Daybreak won't do RMT, then some 3rd party website will do it for them. I miss the old days before monetization
I was not around for the good old days when real money trades did not happen. I started in 2002 and you could buy plat all the way back then. With Kr EQ at least gets some sales from something that happens in most games.
Back when EQ was still SoE, I paid monthly for 10 accounts. I boxed 6 of them at a time with MQ2. Kept the others online in my guild hall so I could port in quickly without having to load a full map. I kept buffers in the guild hall for teams that didn't have certain things. It was right after a new exp had come out that they adjusted timers on certain tasks I had been running repeatedly while trying to catch up. Those timers had been in place for 2 years prior but now they were a problem. That was enough for me. I tool my 200 bucks a month and played something else. If I need an EQ fix, I will log on to emu servers.
I was using showeq and warping back in 2004 /2005. As a monk it made the game MUCH more fun.
I use to 6 box all the time without using any 3rd party program to auto my characters, you just have to be aware and have enough practice, so it is effortless. I did this for years when I couldn't find groups or needed an item that I didn't want to roll on forever until I won...
Respect! That is the hard way to do it. I couldn't. Not that good of a player
Damn man I struggle with two machines.
I remember being nervous for being banned when I figured out strafe running back in the day.
Had no idea how deep this rabbit hole went...
Strafe running is a bard's bread & butter! Yeah cheating runs quite far
Back during the bard BOTB on Bristlebane. I was in a small guild and way under equipped but made it to the final match. It was a best of 3. I won the first one easy. Was winning the second round when the GM starts accusing me of using Selo’s(the speed song) which had been banned over the fear that matches would never end. I was literally arguing with the GM about it during the match and lost. I explained to the GM that I didn’t even have it on my hot bar, but he said he could see I was running over the base speed and told me I had to stop. I was like “You mean strafe running?”. He said whatever was causing me to run faster than standard. I lost the 3rd match too, my opponent changed tactics and I was concentrating on not strafe running instead of winning.
I’m still bitter 20 some odd years later…
I haven’t played either EverQuest for 16 years now. Your videos are overloading my nostalgia. Maybe I should play again. Keep it up man
@IonBlaze1 Hey bud. Just trying to make sure you are still alive. Drop a line out here for those of us who think singing and swinging swords should be considered normal. As long as it's being done at the same time.
If Daybreak took as much time and effort into improving EQ, as the player base does into cheating. EQ would be so much better.
Yeah you got a point. Game was terribly mismanaged. WoW killed EQ partially cause of terrible corporate decisions..
Mercs then free to play we’re the nails.
i wish day break would just allow 2 box from the beginning
Would be nice :)
You didn’t touch on the most important issue, the economy that comes from Kronos farming keep TLP and Everquest afloat.
Very true, there is a whole economy around letting the bot farmers stay. Daybreak is owned by a publicly traded company and is ultimately determined by the balance sheet. They have to balance that with retaining players, but if something brings in money and only causes them to loose an "acceptable" amount of true players, they'll do it. I doubt the vague language will change, because they need it to justify moves they make. I still think this discussion needs to happen though.
Krono purchases directly from daybreak keep EverQuest afloat. Bot farmers lower returns. If all the farmers and bots were banned the only option would be to purchase krono directly at the higher price, which is exactly what they want.
That's a really good point. Yeah kronos do affect all this. I just tried to limit the scope of the video.
New video: A MicroEconomic Analysis of Krono Farmers The Documentary lol
@@IonBlaze1 please do it. Would love to hear some discussion on the topic. Does it help? Does it hurt? Does it hurt the game but help the company?
Ask some players about their experience with krono and krono farmers. Aggressive players locking down epic bottle necks, etc.
Per Accendo’s post it has to “Modify” the game data, both Gina and parsers just read the game data
I feel level 2 upwards should be banned but honestly on dead servers I get it, but level 4 can burn in hell.
Haha much agreed. Kind of a necessary evil with some but there is a point where it goes too far.
@@IonBlaze1 people monopolising spots with 6-12 toons which clearly aren't true boxed should all be perma banned they're literally ruining the game for masses of other people
oh FFS. Boxing isn't cheating or even stretching the rules in any way whatsoever. Way to conflate the multiple issues and making yourself look silly. While you do expand on it later, you clearly have an agenda which makes you not worth listening to.
Botting IS cheating. boxing is not. I know plenty that box and I've known botters. One plays by themselves doing all the work. The other hardly plays and runs programs all day long.
Darkpaw must have taken Ion out after this expose.
Or hes knee deep in diapers going full dad-duty
Either way hope alls well!
Dad stuff haha. I've been playing with Varietyvoid on his twitch streams sat/sun nights
As you mentioned, I think removing the need for multiple accounts and just making it so you could turn your own alts on your account into mercs or adding QoL features like a smart follow would go along way. Just make it require a token you could buy for money or 1 krono to unlock a slot.
Call it like a Garrison system or something. You can change out your main and their 2 supporting boxes/alts/mercs. That way you could gear them out and swap around your comp depending on what you wanted to do or felt like playing. Then start cracking down on 3rd party program use with suspensions followed by bans.
I am for sure an experienced MQ2 user and I think the level of automation it provides is damaging to the game and causes widespread abuse with how easy it is to do. Its way more damaging then MySEQ. With MySEQ you actually have to be online and play to abuse it. Automation lets you shutdown entire zones
Good to see EQ GM's still pull rules out of their arse, and pick and choose when to enforce them. Same ish happened in EQOA lol. "We don't recognize camps" entire server turns into a f'ing deathmatch of trains "ok we kinda recognize camps" FFS!
Definitely need to be allowed to have 5 merc, because it’s way to hard to find groups.
If ya ain't cheatin...then ya ain't trying.
For me, the worst cheat is by far ShowEQ because of how popular it is. I mean, people feel safe to talk about it in guild discord or even in game. I know good players who use it because "everybody does". Which is false, of course, but they feel lost without it. And the people using it are usually the ones saying rangers are useless or that the game is too easy... Would be funny if not so sad.
As you said, it makes the track skill obsolete and it's a real shame. I hope Daybreak finds a way to deal with it but I don't think they will. This ugly cheat has been around since Phinigel and, as far as I know, nothing has been done to remove it.
Right there with ya! It's abused so much. Needs to be stopped
Lol, I was watching this and was like wtf, that setup looks familiar. Late to the party but I generally view SEQ below MQ2 automation. You can see where stuff is so I get it that it's an unfair advantage, but you still have to kill stuff yourself and if you're using it for solo farming big things you'd probably be running down a box screw, an mq2 crew, or warping to it. I have always thought SEQ should exist pre-built into the game at least as far as player locations. It does get annoying answering a Camp Check every 3 minutes or missing one to have someone come down with a group and take over your camp, I always thought not having a player location visual in game was a missed opportunity to save people time and create less chaos, then you could zone in see where the groups are and what's open at least. I do think Kronos ruined the game, I think it's cool to be able to trade for them to get game time, but I mean...I don't know about you, but my primary demographics are age 30-50 males, and we can all afford a subscription if we're still playing, I think they can get rid of Kronos altogether or at least on the TLPs, like there is literally no purpose for them besides a medium of exchange with RMT value.
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head as to why I use ShowEQ -- it's because everyone else does. I'm "fairly" new to the TLP scene: Oakwynd is my 4th TLP. But after playing on 3 other TLPs and resisting using SEQ but being constantly beaten by the people who were using it, I ultimately determined that I just can't beat them... so I joined them. I don't LIKE that it came to that, but if I don't use it, I'm at an incredible disadvantage that ruins my desire to want to play the game at all. If no one used it, I'd happily not use it. But alas... gotta fight fire with fire. :(
Is it easy to figure out? I was hoping to level up a main to harvest items for alts but it sounds like that's a farfetched dream now
@@sirboss7 I'd be lying if I told you I still REALLY know how to use it, lol. All I know is I load it up, it shows me mob locations, and every patch, I edit a .txt file, but I really don't know that much about the program.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, if you have to box for any reason, theres already a problem.
never played EverQuest, in love with your videos
I played bs MMOs in my time (FFXI, Aion when it first came out). I spent way too much time on menial or bs tasks to be as strict on "cheating" as I was. I remember buying gold on FFXI when I got a job and couldn't spend so many hours farming, so I didn't fall back because I didn't spend 14+ hours a day playing. Also botted tf out of Aion's craft training because that shit is just repetitive. Vendors have ALL (or 99%of) the mats needed to reach max level and honestly, spending 10+ hours of my life mindlessly clicking "craft" with a full inventory is not rewarding nor compelling.
Some guilds require you have SEQ depending on what class you are, especially for pullers and even if they don't there is always someone in discord who "just knows" because they are keeping a "mental timer (or in-game timer)" of the spawns... but they are calling shit out before Track even shows it lol
I thought Show EQ was a separate program, how did you get it to show the mobs in the Everquest map window in game?
It can be both. Some people have it as a separate program. This version of macroquest had it built-in
i dont know, dont think i would play EQ without showEQ----DayBreak will never ban cheaters from experience ( Over 2000 reports/tickets since aradune + Thornblade ) Non of them got action taken against even with video footage.
Haha what a joke... No bans even with footage? Jeez
This is an understatement. You said warping happens "rarely". I can tell you with firsthand knowledge that it happens regularly (i've seen it happen, and I've also been party to a group of folks that used it regularly), just by a smaller portion of the playerbase for obvious reasons of accessibility. I've personally seen a 54 boxer warp on top of KT's head in velious with all 54 boxes just as we were about to pull him. Many of our guildmates were recording. many petitions were sent in. That 54 boxer never went offline for the next 2 months.@@IonBlaze1
lol I use to double box a LONG time ago in the early 2000s with EQ. But I used my Dads computer which was down stairs and mine was upstairs so I would be running up and down the stairs every so often when I needed a ton of buffs, or I would auto attack and then run down stairs and heal my tank for a little while during his auto attack.
Worth mentioning that MacroQuest wont do any of those things out of the box. You need to use scripts (MQ Macros or Lua scripts) for all these "abilities" to work, which requires programming skills. OR you use scripts provided by others, either for free or for cash. :)
Ayyy, I see Solar and Aurora in the raid clips :) Thanks for categorizing and sharing this Ayonic, and thanks for recommending action.
Thank you for giving hte video a shot :)
All this is why I love Project 1999. The GMs are consistent and expedient about applying the rules, and the population is high enough that you don’t need to box to get enough characters together to farm higher level content. Yes it has some issues as you’ve talked about in your “problems with Project 1999” video but there’s just no reason for me to go to Live or TLPs because all of their issues are way worse for my enjoyment of EQ.
Thes Bot Programs is why populations of the servers went down . People have always Boxed 2 and even 3 toons . This is why PVP failed EQ because of the cheating . That's why EQ 1 or 2 will never have red servers again. They would have to re-write the game enmity to eliminate it. And then maintain a staff that's all they do. Looking for exploits in the software. (No Game company is going to do that) CCP with EVE Online has and still has the same issue. Until AI matures and uses a Cryptographic/Cryptology security doesn't matter it's going to continue even with new games. It took a genesis to write Bitcoin, and Ethereum (the technology NOT the currency) . Sorry no devs in any Game company is that talented or they couldn't pay anyone that amount to do that. The Game industry lead the way to Advance computing . But now these companies are to scared to loose $1 . And have become just gritters like the botters themselves.
I messed around with SEQ back in the Seeds of Destruction era. It was interesting to do stuff like be able to port around to nameds in Field of Scale, know where mobs were and fly around above the map in places you couldn't ordinarily access. Aside from that, I had no interest in using its other functions. It was a short-lived thing because the risk was too great.
I play 2 characters a lot, my pally and shaman, I group them and have my shaman follow the pally and yeah man that follow in the game is trash. I constantly have to switch to the shaman to correct her. in cities she gets stuck in corners. outdoors she sometimes starts running in circles. it's ridiculous.
i use to 2/3 box and was always like 2 damage and a healer in a party with my buddy and his wife and in emergencies I can say I've had to swap screens and only heal pretty much Edit: this was on Eq2
Anyone know what someone is using in this instance?
I 4 box on one computer with no software help, I just window each character and switch.
Every time this one group enters the same zone I am in, suddenly none of my hotbutton keys work like /assist "main tank", as it targets corpses this other group has killed. If I track them down and they spot me looking at them, they quickly zone.
As soon as they leave the zone, hotbuttons work again. Really annoying and have reported them twice now.
Anyone have clues on what they are doing or using?
Thanks
I run a full Group with ISBoxer, some times 8 to level up toons. And I find it totally fine, not a lot of management at all. However I would recommend that 1 character is a mage for easier movements. But mostly they are just all on auto follow. With this setup I am able to do any group task mission apart from very few that has complicated mechanics that require you to be in multiple places at once. So personally I do not need tools like MQ, but I do understand why people are tempted to use it. But my point is that you do not really need it. And no, I am by no means slow in progressing either. I would say that You can do most what you want plowing through if you want. It is really just all about practice and knowing your classes. Also I have done this with both group gear and raid gear. So it does not require your characters to be OP.
Why doesn't Daybreak Games capitalize on the potential of multiboxing by introducing a multibox subscription tier available exclusively on designated servers? This could be a strategic move with multiple benefits. Seems like a no brainer.
If you want to run MQ or other "hacking" programs, you could play on most of the EMU servers. Or you can create your own server and bot/hack to your hearts content. Yeah you don't have a large community but that's why your boxing to begin with, cause there is no community or players to play with
If they would make EQ3 and phase out EQ and EQ2 there would actually be people to group with like the old days. It’s long past its lifespan. A quickfix would be combining servers again. Like down to 1 per earth continent. US, EU, PAC-Asia for instance.
why would anyone cheat at such a pathetic game. started playing in 1990 and to this day its the most boring game going, lmao. Daybreak has put a ton of time into Lord of the Rings, to bad they dont do the same for EQ. Daybreak if your seeing this comment? there are next to no groups in EQ so why are you still making expacs that require groups to play. EQ is by far the most unplayable game in the history of these games.
On a wow private server I used to play with a dude who programmed his own primitive healer bot to box with. Since 90% of players just wanna be dps he boxed a priest to follow his warrior but in dungeons he had a primitive self made bot program just have it heal people below 50% with hard cast and renew under 80%, drinking when it could and having one guy on follow. Very nice for when there are barely people on at odd hours.
With mercenary, origin, POK teleportation stone, AA banker, vendor ... they changed the game A LOT.
It's fun to 3 box + 3 mercenary with innerspace (sk/shammy/enchanter).
Without that I will not play eq ... just 1 character + mercenary, I will not level fast enough, too much downtime and I will not level for a long time for sure. So they will never have $$ from me. With 3 box, they sure to have some money from me because I will be able to get lvl 80 - 85 without too much problem (probably).
This game is a beaten dead horse. If you need 3 computers and learn all these complicated programs just to play, what's the point? Whoever is new to the game and gives it a try will be disappointed.
SEQwin -I can get around the scanning of p99, cause I did it :) but if you using the linux version that intercepts teh packets, decodes them and displays them on another monitor you cant get caught unless you do stupid shit in game like b-line to mobs you shouldnt know are there.
Related SEQ is why I have a career in IT - taught me linux before there was even a windows version.
As for boxing, two hard on the body? Do...do you not know about Wireless keyboards and mice? or mini computers? take up next to no real estate. It also wouldn't require you to spend 1000$ to get five of them. You could get them for 150$, probably even less during black friday/cyber monday, lol or old laptops
A correction on your comment that the reason that true-box servers suffer population decline after a certain time frame. They do, but a bigger problem is that DayBreak releases a new server (or two) every year. That's what really kills off the population on the previous year's server(s).
if they are checking for multiple keypresses from the same IP...which by the way would cause issues when it comes to having friends over for a lan party. Just program in delays so that the keypresses don't all happen at the same time...
I have no opinion on most of the other stuff... but the comment I'll make on ShowEQ is that unless devs take steps to prevent it, or mass ban people for using it, its always going to be a thing, the software is in such widespread use at this point that anyone not using those tools is having a signifacantly worse game experience than the other people playing, and they don't even understand why they are being beaten to the punch half the time...
I miss the good old days when the uber hacks like nodelay/ghostkill were still working. You could use a Monk and a Paladin to completely wipe out a zone like CoA in a matter of minutes. Also, there were hacks where you could force yourself into a raid and ninja loot the raid target, followed by immediately crashing the zone before anyone knew what happened.
I have left EQ several times over the years because I waste hours LFG and if I ever get one then usually my play time is almost up. I don't want to be LFG for 2 hours and find a group for 30 minutes till I have to log off.
I just want to return to EQ but im still waiting for EQ3 and aslong as they can milk eq1 and eq2 that will never happen. I backed both projects eq next and the bob the builder game hoping it would result to something but they oulled the rug on us. My love for EQ has not changed but its like that true love that just got away at this point.
mq2 is the shit, there would probably be soo many more people still playing if daybreak would just look the other way. (ghosting was a lot of short lived fun :) ) Currently playing on a True Box server , allows up to 3 accounts per pc. God i miss the map.
I just love how you decided to use a bunch of muscular, topless, kilt wearing B R O S to showcase MQ2 lmai
In my opinion, the game should give you all you need.. All 3rd party programs should be banned.
All it does is give you an unintended advantage against players that dont use additional programs. I understand its a 20 year old game, but if you have to "cheat" to play, youre indirectly griefing others and robbing yourself of the dopamine that you get when you do the thing legitimately.
Live server population issues need to be addressed by developers and not resolved by addicted players who dont know when to just say no to a game that isnt taking care of the problems it had created for its subscribers.
How long did it take before 3rd party programs was your only hope for having fun in this game?
Darkpaw games would be out of business if not for MQ2/SEQ and ISBoxer. Their entire core junkie audience is hopelessly dependent on it. They should just to the right thing and legalize it all.
Boxing is inevitable in EQ at this point, so take this comment with the knowledge that I understand that...
Boxing represents a form of Gresham's Law ("bad money drives out good") for grouping. Finding and keeping a group going in EQ is hard and always has been for most people. Boxing provides a solution to this problem, but the cost is that it makes finding a group that much harder for everyone else because the boxers tend to disappear from the grouping scene afterwards--why would they put in the effort to find or deal with others when they have their solution? For this reason, boxing should never be the default mode of play, and should be tolerated rather than accommodated.
If there's a true solution, I don't think it's to make boxing through software botting acceptable. The real solution has been in place for ages in other games. Call it the "WoW solution", though EQ2 mostly has this in place at this point. Establish segregated content for solo and group content. The easiest solution for EQ, as it exists today, would probably be to allow running two mercs at once if not grouped with another player, limited to older zones and non-instanced current content. So DPS classes could have both a tank and a healer available, healers could run both tank and DPS, tanks could run healer and DPS, etc., as long as they were playing solo in designated content. That content would be most of the game, as needed to level and gear up to current maximum level, but would not include the best group content at maximum level or any raid content from the last several expansions. Possibly Daybreak could make some money by selling this option in the pay-to-win store.
The only time I have an issue, is bot farmers. Them I'll report with zero hesitation. I understand multi boxing since server populations tend to be low in leveling areas
Everquest is a game that allows some people to cheat and bans others for the same or worse. Allowed cheating gives advantages to some players and upsets the balance of the game; even if you suspend a player but allow them to return.
It's supposed to be "multi-boxing", why do everquest players call it "boxing"? Makes no sense.
we ran 56-64 accounts at a time using a few of these. It was awesome and bonkers, but mostly just exhausting.
I got banned in 2005 for botting monster missions from the DoD expansion. Lost 4 years of solid geared druid
ban all boxing under all circumstances, if u need a bigger group, solve that problem organically within the game.
Another great video! Your channel is one of the only ones, of any type, that I will actually watch a full 20+ minute video from. As a long time player who has never even used a second account, much less any software, I am interested in how people do it. Because the game was designed to need multiple people, boxing is a necessity. Mercs help for sure, but they aren't perfect. Also, as people who have dumped enough money into this game to buy a car, I feel like there should be some leeway for the grind-y, soul crushingly slow aspects. However, plat farmers and massive box armies are a problem for people who just want to play for fun, so there has to be a line in the sand. I think you picked a good spot for that line and you're right about this discussion needing to finally happen. The question is will it happen? Daybreak is a company owned by another publicly traded company(Enad Global 7 AB, on the Swedish exchange), so the rules of the stock market apply to daybreak indirectly. The game needs to be as profitable as it can be, so what we enjoy may not always be a part of it. The box armies and plat farmers are part of the ecosystem that keeps the money flowing to daybreak, so I have a feeling the vague rules are not going away. They need a way to selectively ban problematic accounts, but not accounts that drive more revenue. It's like in sports, vague rules are there to let the leagues make decisions that best benefit them, if there is a problem. However, there's a balance between that and retaining people that love the game, so they can only do so much before the ecosystem collapses. Very interesting discussion!
Thank you so much for the compliments. I also appreciate the nuance in your response. Cool to take an economic perspective on the game. Never hear that. Thank you for the great comment. Love the streams :)
@@IonBlaze1 Thanks! I'm glad you like the streams. Yeah, I never thought about the economics of it until I got into trading. Now I see stock charts in everything! haha
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HHK killing bards was it? wee room were you could hit but not be hit....I was guilty
Why would someone play everquest and use these programs to make it like WoW? lol. Missing the point entirely, go to retail.
I once got high lvl as a barb rogue, then died over and over to delvl. Get so low I can one shot low lvl newbs at FoB lol. Felt good being a bully.
two screens? haha. u can play two games on one screen with virtual sandbox, windows 11 even has it built in.
Multi-boxing softwares is what keeps the live game going..you're not going to get banned for that lol
So MQ2 isnt allowed big it is a huge source of money for them. Dont bite the hand that feeds you.
You forgot about the MQ plugins, stick , underworld aggro, etc..
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Sorry, that's just how it is. The word luck has a k in it for a reason.
Since EQ is a 20+ year old game the only way to advance is to box, I started playing EQ in 1999, I still ove playing on Karana server , but there are no groups to be found now.
Thank you for sharing that :) I wish there were groups. A lot less stressful to play 1 char instead of a few
what about just running 5 instances of eq on one pc? what i used to do. just tab between them and play them no addons? would that still be considered cheating?
never mind level 2 answered the question, awsome video so far!
So, I had 2 accounts on P99, one for me and my wife, with the IP exemption. The one time my wife wasn't home, I tried boxing and got banned. Heck, just 2 level 6 toons running throug Gfay to kill some orcs and I get whacked with the ban bat. I can see if I was like 60 and monopolizing a rare drop camp, but come on....level 6 in a newbie area that had NO other characters on line??? Welp...time to start over, and I'm not even going to request that exemption. Wife just has to find another game to play.
It always baffles me how P99 that is ran by fans for free is better regulated than the actual company that owns EQ. I played p99 and personally experienced GM interaction multiple times. Daybreak is a joke and pretty much just a scam at this point. Nothing about TLP's feels like Classic experience that they promote. P99is where its at.
Whay is chronno for and why no people play the subscription via credit card?
I worship the almighty Krono!
You can get banned for challenging kingdom on green too.
Haha really? Isn't accost in kingdom?
@@IonBlaze1 Dunno...was camping AC in Sro. At 9pm the same dudes from Kingdom roll in and camp it every time. Called them cuckdom and a pocket GM showed up immediately
@@maxpower2511 Oooooof lol. That's a good insult
4:25 amen brotha! Id play till PoP myself
I personally have never boxed. The only thing I have ever automated is fishing and forage.
I prefer not to tbh. Like how you don't need to on p99. Plenty of people to group with. So much better
Kvm keyboard switch is ergonomical too
How would I report botting for popular camps on TLP servers?
On the daybreak official website, there's a help page where you can report people. I think the /report or /petition command might bring a popup of the page while in game.
macroquest is just a bot playing pointless
SO every thing u asked for is on FV server
The problem is that you will get banned for using MQ2 after you have been paying a subscription on 6 characters for a long time. If something was ok before but now it's not and you sold it to me we got a problem and I am going to cut off your money so that you suffer with me. SOE has terrible management skills and very little customer skills too. They got complacent and WoW yanked maybe a million customers in a week because they only listened to whiners in the forums which were players who made up 1% of the customer base. EQ is a difficult game that is not self explanatory; you need a lot of help to play it and having idiots in charge of it makes it not as good as WoW. Also the pvp in EQ has never been developed to work in any type of class balancing.
Good points man. Yeah EQ & WoW while being similar are also very different games. Management are frustrating cause they are selectively enforcing the rules when they find convenient.
@@IonBlaze1 Thank you. Yes it is unfair to enforce rules only for some players and allow a few players who can't even play the game and hang out in the forums talking smack to influence rules and game mechanics. I played the game on Tallon Zek, there was all aspects of the game there. I got banned for pk because players get mad when they get beat and they try to hurt opponents via petitions, whining in forums, etc..l
@@IonBlaze1 I ran MQ2 with 6 toons later. It costs $75/month more and is no more cheating than hiring mercenaries to do a similar thing. When you start owning the illegal parse programs, oh no you just owned the prehistoric version of cheating that the old timers use. Like Genie telling the player how to avoid disasters and giving certain players an illegal edge over others.
ban everyone who uses macroquest :)
Lol running windows.... cheat!
I just started playing again a few hours ago thanks to u on eq2. I have a lot to catch up too. How can I have my ui look similar to urs? I can figuer it out
Oh good luck man! Yeah Kunark on Aug 8th. Gonna be popping. I just use the default UI in EQ2. Rearranged the windows & stuff. I got an EQ2 tips & tricks video I did not that long ago
@@IonBlaze1 looking for it now. Sure miss this. Thanks for the content. I have the whole fam watching when I do
I only ever boxed with either 2 PCs or 2nd installation. Always played both toons manually though.
Kudos for doing it the hard way lol
@@IonBlaze1 never seemed hard with only 2 toons