Bosnia in danger of breaking up
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Sarajevo says that Bosnian Serb lawmakers are deliberately trying to force Bosnia to fail so that they can make their legal case for secession down the line.
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Shirvan why not show the other side as well? Bosniak lawmakers act like dictators and don't respect the dayton agreement. The bosniaks elect the croatian representative and act anti-democratic. Dodik is just defending serbian interest while the bosniaks want to dissolve Republika Srpska. + don't show Kosovo & Metohija as a country, since it's not accepted in the UN.
I mean, it's probably good for the Americans to build their credit but over here where I live, we have a more... practical way of calculating one's credit score that doesn't require a person to ever use a credit card. Heck, I personally don't know a single person who owns one. Everyone either has a debit card or no card at all.
Preferred the chocolate sponsor
Ah, was wondering when communist shirvan would make the destabilisation all the US's fault
90s nostalgia is really getting out of hand.
Cowabunga dude.
Yugoslav Wars part II: Electric Boogaloo
Nostalgia is slowly becoming reality
I wonder what OJ has been up to lately
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Only on GameBoy Color!
I had a friend in Bosnian army. He left for Switzerland. Anyway, he said that all the boys in the army, regardless if they were Croats, Serbs or Bosniaks, had agreed that in case of a war, they are stealing the vehicles, taking their families and leaving Bosna. Even the soldiers don't wanna fight over it.
Nobody wants to fight.. but soldier desertion is a death penalty.
That what JNA recruits where saying just before they all joined their own ethnic army and started murderering everyone.
@@FilipCordas Yeah, this. It's easy for people to say idealistic things like stealing the vehicle and ditching the army. You shouldn't take that at face value. Actual social pressure for them to stay will have great influence. Fear of being caught in desertion will stop a lot of them. Having family/friends not totally going along with their plan will also deter them. It's easier to just go with the mainstream, that's what human nature is.
@@kevinmsft If they can successfully flee then they can likely avoid that penalty.
@@seneca983 Why take that risk? For some people committing a few war crimes is the less riskier option; a lot less likely to get punished for that.
I worked for a Chef that was Bosnian. Head been involved in heavy fighting and lost family and loved ones more often than not. He was perhaps the deepest human being I've ever met and had some truly horrifying stories even tho he barely ever said very much. His mother had survived because she had been in the basement when a tank shell collapsed her house. Thank you for helping educate on the greater perspective
I am a Bosniak living in Sarajevo, what i can say in this current situation is that even thou our brothers Serbs and Croats dont agree with anything with us there is 1 thing we do agree about. NO MORE WAR, we lost so much in the 90s so many lifes so many futures gone, the country was left on its knees. Now we repaired the phisical damage and are still repairing our souls and future we will not go to war because gready corrupt politicans want a war.
Radije rahat patnja jos 100 godina nego rat.
Nadam se da neće doći do rata, moj prijatelj. God bless you in BiH from Texas.
Tako je Sanjin,ziv i zdrav bio 😇
What do you think of a three-state solution, where Bosnia is split between Croatia, Serbia, and Bosnia?
@@SoNonWoo It is not an option, west doesn't want that and neither does east. All they want here is to keep the corrupt system so they can make a country similiar to Greece which is going to be dependent on them. There are rumours we as well have some gas and oil, and if it is true they are the ones whose companies will buy it from our corrupt politicians and exploit it for their own countries.
are you bosnians turks or slavs ?
Shirvan: Armies don't start wars. Politicians do.
Imperial Japanese Army: Am I a joke to you?
Was thinking the too
But who gave them the autonomy to act on their own?
I mean, IJA was the biggest institution in Japan at the time and generals were akin to politicians. Like Prussia.
@@miraclemaker1418 themselves lol, the IJN and IJA Interservice rivalry literally cost them the war, not to mention both sides had their own airforce and really never cooperated
Wasn't IJA and IJN high officers occupying high political offices of Japan as well?
2030: Every house in Bosnia is its own country, and they're all at war
Really bad metaphor.
@@nobordersnowelfare7285 huh ?
So it turns into a late Holy Roman Empire Lite
I think that family and friends would not fight each other.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 I mean after Yugoslavia collapsed, neighbors and friends fought one another in senseless bloodshed.
3 groups that didnt want to live together 25 years ago, dont want to live together today? Shocking.
As every human being, even you can feel when somebody dont like you, Serbs are the resistance, the neutral, the liberal, non Nato or Russian. Serbia started WW1 by saying no to Germans, Fighted WW2 when even France surrended, Even Nato presure Serbia but Serbia strong, Serbia is not Nato Puppy will not be gouverned by anybody then an Serb. We refuse to show you recognosion after Nato decided to Bombard us Illegaly.
It’s the Israel of Europe. That is all
@@TURE1215 ”laz je srpski drzavni interes”
- Dobrica Cosic
Guys dont listen to this Darko prick.
@@thewhiteowl9885 🤡🤡🤡
@@TURE1215 Your most famous academic person said that Serbs only lie. When there is no one other left for you to lie, then you lie to yourself. You try so hard to invert history by talking nonsense. You lost EVERY GODDAMN BATTLE YOU WERE INVOLVED, that is so fucking terrible I am ashamed for you. But go on, tell yourself more lies.
“Armies don’t start wars, politicians do.”
Kwangtung Army: wut?
PAKISTAN ARMY : U sure mate.?
U have right 100%,I am from Bosnia and all people here live together normal I am serb and have much friends croatian and muslim and we all respect eachother,there are many mixed marriages, we would never go to war either before or in the future it is all served by politicians to provoke the revolt of a minority that is nationally insane,God bless you,big greetings from Bosnia 🙋🏼♀️
@Complex CR *sees his name* yeah totally.
Me, living in Bosnia:
"Ahh shit, here we go again"
I feel sorry for you.
@@RabbitShirak You don't have to. We cursed with our Croatian and Serbian "Brothers". They don't want that we exist.
Are you muslim ?
Make Arabic the official language.
Mashallah brother.
I amnot religious myself, but i am Bosniak and here by default it means thay you are of a certain religion. The thing is, I have lived literally in a Bosniak majority region, Croat majority region, Serb majority region, and the people are all the same.. the main problem comes from us losing our collective identity as Yugoslavs, so desperately have to as nations cling upon the inly other identity we have left. This is super easy for politicians to target, because almost every day some of them imply like "that set of people want to destroy you". It creates a fear of basic existence, and literally it has been plaguing us since the start. Bosnia has one of the highest levels of corruption and young adult employment is extremely low, so all my friends are disappointed by the leaders and the country as a whole and dont have any will to stay here, let alone fight. As someone still living here, it is also funny listening to older diaspora that live outside, who always taunt us here with fear inducing statements ("they want to destroy us, bla bla bla") but they dont see that the majority of young people here genuinely live in peace. But identity and war are a funny topic here in the Balkans, we always seem to fight for our identity. I hope it does not happen again because there will be no turning back after that, its not like you can remake Dayton with the same borders and retry
Balkans: Ah shit, here we go again.
The west: our plan is unraveling.. seeds placed 26 yrs ago are sprouting.
well, the creation of Yugoslavia was a mistake in the very first place.
in WW1 the multiculturalis/multiethnic Austria-Hungarian Empire collapsed but the Kingdom Of Yugoslavia was born thanks to idiot politicians and monarchs at that time. the ussual suspects.
forcing people and communities of people to live with eachother although they mostly dislike eachother is a recipe for destruction and civil war. the cultures, language, religions and the way of life is vastly different. obviously it is much better to separate and live in your own independent country.
hopefully without war and violence.
Chancellor Bismarck’s advice warning of the balkans, somehow is always ever relevant.
@@LevisH21 cultures are not so different, language basically the same and although there are Catholics, Orthodox and Muslims, the mindset is similar. The problems is: fashism and expansionsm
@@EgoPolis92 In Romania there are Hungarians in the counties of Covasna and Harghita, 1.2mil to be exact, they are catholics and have very different language to Romanians, but we never had any problem, Romania is very safe and stable, nationalistic ideas and stupid politicians bring the war.
I didn't even know that Bosnia could have this beautiful sceneries in their cities and towns.
Its a beautiful country if you leave out all the conflicts.
People are friendly as well. I can't imagine that some of them that I met while traveling in this beautiful land will face another round of miseries.
I've never been to Eastern Europe / Balkans, but on the Internet their towns look utterly gorgeous.
@@leanwang Can second. Spent two weeks in eastern Bosnia and the people there were so welcoming and friendly.
Bosnian has one of the best nature out of all european countries, been there 1,5 year ago best choice of my life
"armies don't start wars, politicians do",
"I'm about to end this man's whole career," imperial Japanese army circa 1930s, colorized
I was gonna say
Sooometimeeeessss lol
This joke has been made like 50 times by now
Regurgitating WW2 facts is the most boring trait a male can have
@@big_slurp4603 no
@@big_slurp4603 cope and dilate
Title: "Bosnia in danger of breaking up"
Wait... there was actually a time when it wasn't???
always has been.
It wasn't last time in the middle ages when we were a kingdom, then the "brother turks" came and since they we bosniaks are barely surviving in our own country...
@@imeprezime6632 well weren’t you Bosniaks being killed for following your own churches?😨😆 you was killed from the east coz your church wasn’t acceptable by the orthodox, you was killed from the west coz your churches weren’t acceptable by the Catholics. And so when the Turks came they ended the power of the Serbs and Croats against Bosnia. Bosniaks only fell as a power during the Tanzimat era 1808 (1839) - 1876
@@MH-jg6vk Muhammad convert or Die by the sword Jesus love your enemy's as i have loved you i know how this all started.
@@cuculan1978 'There is no compulsion in religion.'
Quran.
Me, a Bosnian seeing a new Shirvan video: Oh wow so early!
Seeing that it's about Bosnia: Ah shit
No thoughts or insights to add?
Don't worry, Malaysia is ready for Round 2.
@@Justineexy What's going on in Malaysia?
@@SuperLusername wdym?
@@Justineexy What round 2 is Malaysia ready for? What was the round 1?
Been putting this for way too long, but after watching this I can confidently say this video is pretty blank in terms of the larger picture. I mean with a set up as unstable and "temporary" as this, something or the other is bound to happened, and such advances by certain ethnic groups are not surprising, despite the wishes of many young people that it wouldn't be like this. But yes I can confidently say that luckily the young generation is not interested in the conflicts of their parents, so I hope we won't seriously see another 90s. It's tiring and counter productive. Ask any Bosnian or Serb even and they'd all say they'd rather have a better life than some fragile & imaginary ethnic purity and honour. Indeed, the irony is that yes, while many Bosnian refugees and their descendants live abroad, so do the Serbs and pretty much any other ethnic group in the Balkans. So spreading nationalism while you sit in a Vienna cafe does not resonate well with those who live side by side with the results of those corrupt ideologies. Speaking of corruption - that and shitty governance is the main issue. And yes Bosnia badly needs a proper overhaul... but an agreement seems far away.... For a better understanding of what I mean just look at Lebanon. It's literally Lebanon but stable.
Well said
@Ornithocheirus Yes. Now imagine that but stable.
The whole nation is so artificial that it's kinda common sense that it will eventually collapse. It's literally a budget Astro-Hungarian empire but without a central force holding it together
@@MrRjizz "Budget Astro-Hungary" - I like that.
@@MultiSciGeek well why not just became another Czechoslovakia and split your country into two different countries peacefully, can that happens in Bosnia?
I live in Bosnia and I call tell you, there will be no war, this is just some old politicians trying to remain at the top before they go.
Which is of course good but still, always stay on your guard.
Many times, nearly nobody wants a war but it still occurs.
@@Arcaryon Yeah but this is different, I can name you many reasons why this is just a sick joke. OHR , NATO , Dayton Agreement, EU, USA...much much more. So don't worry, if I'm not worried (person that lives in the "front lines") you shouldn't be worried. Take care ✌
@@adex7164 I am not worried. I just don’t want for our children and their children to be worried either and prevention is better than reaction.
@@Arcaryon Exactly, and the best prevention is the things I just named.
As I wrote above : EUFOR is just a phone call away. I remember a few years ago when Britain sent the Light Dragoons with their Jackal patrol vehicles to get some orientation , troops can be poured into Butmir rapidly.
"Armies don't start wars politicians do"
Unless you are the imperial japanese army which literally disobeyed orders and attacked the Chinese eventually that conflict would turn into a section of WW2
exception that proves the rule.
And the army itself assassinated Japanese politicians which eventually led to the civilian government basically becoming a military government.
@@TheReaper569 nope Pakistan and it's military did the same thing disobeying orders from it's central command
They did that about 3 times now if I remember correctly 🤔
@@TheReaper569 also so did the Russians they disobeyed orders from Boris Yeltsin and fired upon the government buildings in Moscow in the late 1990s
And the current situation in the region of Tigray in northern Ethiopia, military forces there began disobeying the central government and starting a violent conflict that has the potential to turn into a civil war
@@rejvaik00 exceptions that broke the rule...
You compare number of wars declared vs.... Your 3 examples...
Learn what anecdotal evidence is
I live in Bosnia and Herzegovina and I can tell you that it is a failing state. But first, when it comes to Dodik, he is doing all this so that he could win next election, since last year he lost local elections in two most important cities in Republic of Srpska. However, B&H itself is failing not because it's central power is weak, but because of corruption which is equal in all regions.
What about teenagers from Bosnia? They will fight bécause of politicians like in the 90?
@@edenender I doubt it...There are some that would go to war, but majority wouldn't.
@@ziroja many bosnians saw european way of life. Why go to war when you can live in peace in a beautifull country?Politicians should not be listened.
Well countries within a country is doom to fail. Bosnia or Lebanon are great examples. That's why Russia is pushing similar things to post Soviet countries, to destroy them from within
@V R I wish more people are like you. I'm serbian (live in Australia) but I would never go to war against my former Yugoslav brothers. Something my dad taught me since I was a child.
I'm sorry to hear about more troubles in the Balkans. I do hope they manage to work something out without bloodshed, whatever that solution might be. Thank you for the informative news.
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends! :)
Unfortunately that's not going to happen.
Serbia is still stuck in war mindset and sees war as last chance of profit rather than terrifying bloodshed.
Until they become as stable as Croatia and Slovenia, there will be war.
@@MG-ji1ms Elaborate please?
@@MG-ji1ms You're just going to ignore the fact that slovenia & croatia just didn't want to support poorer countries?
@@MG-ji1ms Ridiculous. Migration wouldn't magically stop if they were united.
@@tottalynotmark877 The only one here with a war mindset Is you
"When two fishes in the pond are fighting an Englishman must have passed by"-
Can't wait for the NeoTurbofolk that is gonna come out of this.
It can only get goofier from here on out :D
Beta: let's conserve the peace in the Balkans even though it is a failed status quo
Alpha : let the Balkans change by themselves and not let the west intervene so that the new status quo could be settled between them this time
Sigma : let the Balkans go to war for good music
Turbofolk never died,so there wont be "neo" . You should listen other songs, not just war ones
Turbo folk trap type beat
@@danijelmarkotic4653 can you give some modern recommendations?
You know thinngs are "getting real" when Serbs and Croats ally with each other to resolve a problem... O.O
Bit će RS i HRHB🇭🇷🇷🇸
They dont want to be under muslim rule again.
@@legamaxx2752 bice kad je u Zagrebu/Beogradu budete pravili odjebite od Bosne
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 they wanna be under american and russian rule
@@imeprezime6632 a vi od Hercegovine?
"One day the 3rd great War will come out of some damned foolish thing in the Balkans"
- Angela von Bismarck
How nice of Germans to blame others for their imperialism.
Germans are known for their niceties I heard
@@SerbAtheist well if everyone can use Germany as a scapegoat that means Americans, British, French, Serbians, Croatians, Russians, Israelis can all settle their differences, see we're all alike.....
And just relocate all of our hatred against Germany. You know what we need? The EU going Rogue, America, UK, Serbia, and Russia well then be on the same BASED chad like team and then destroy the EU, cut Germany into tiny pieces again, and then since of our problems is blamed on the EU? The world will be at peace once more....
Genius idea isn't it?
"What is Russia's greatest import?"
"Sovereign states"
I know that video,It was very funny
Better then west import: devastation of region,bloodshed,making powerty and export resources
In a name of democracity and liberty ofc :)
@@marko9181 Dude I'm like 2 train tickets away from Ukrainian bloodshed caused by Russians. Get a fucking grip on reality because you make all the left look bad.
@@krzysztofczva5904
Wait, you people love Ukrainians now? lol
Your time has passed field man, Russia is the big dog now, let it go.
Calling their allies incase the west intervenes, kinda reminds me of ww1.
Let’s hope no Habsburgs are visiting Sarajevo
“One day the great European War will come out of some damned foolish thing in the Balkans.”
Again with Sarajevo
@@DiviAugusti everything seems petty and foolish on a superficial quick look of some uniformed and disinterested alien from the other side of the world
@ "Uninformed" From the guy that doesn't know what quotation marks are for. Or that it's an Otto Von Bismark quote.
One of the things that I learned today is that Bosnia is a beautiful country.
Errrr yeah brown Muslims from Arab world and Pakistan fetish over white Bosnian Muslim girls
absolutely, atleast from that stock footage provided! really wanna visit sarajevo now
@@icysaracen3054 What weirdo you are! The video only showed old men and beautiful country side.
@@icysaracen3054 Kind of like White and black people from the West who fetish over Japanese girls? Literally no difference.
@@icysaracen3054 you mean white western girls who fetishize over African Immigrants ans Muslims?🤣
A wonderful summoning up of the difficult and confusing topic of Bosnia and its three ever conflicting ethnicities. Greetings and thanks from Slovenia!
Love you bosnia, from Iran
🇧🇦 ❤️ 🇮🇷
On the one hand I can understand the dangers of Bosnia breaking apart, on the other hand is it right to keep a country together which clearly doesn't work? Tough questions it is beyond my knowledge to answer. I hope it doesn't end up in violence
Look at the fucked up borders though can you even split that logistically ?
The only reason it doesn't work is because Dodik's party is refusing to show up on State meetings and is blocking the institutions. It's the equivalent of saying "I'm not playing anymore" ina board game when you're losing.
This the Balkans a.k.a. the Powder Keg of Europe, of course it's gonna end up in violence.
@@LeOssiTrollterrible Judging from the borders, only Croats (marked in white) could secede without much logistical problems as most of them live near Croatia.
However, that would mean they take all the coast of the country with them, something I doubt Sarajevo would torelate.
Access to the sea means safety, safety means independence.
@@SuperLusername That is not correct. The Serbs have the best borders because of ethnic cleansing but they are also still split in 2. The Bosniaks are completely fucked no matter what happens during a break up and the Croats in central Bosnia are also split of from the Rest in the north and Hercegovina.
I lived in Bosnia and let me tell you, separation is not very likely, and even if it happens the standard of living won't fall by much, when it comes to war its extremely unlikely, no-one wants another war, people there are still recovering from the last one.
It's not up to people to decide is there going to be a war. War profiteers are deciding.
Do people generally get along well with each other, regardless of ethnicity?
Everyone in Bosnia can't wait to start a new war they hate each other every family on both sides has someone they want to avenge. The idea to turn Serbs into Nazis of the war has backfired extremely, now Bosnians want to get back at Serbs for war crimes that where mostly made up and the Serbs think that they should start doing all the stuff western media made up about them because no one did anything about many victims they had during the war.
@@FilipCordas 90% of the war crimes against the Bosnians did happen. Serbians constantly in denial lmao
@@MihaiRUdeRO Where I lived, yes.
"Without conflict there will be no Bosnia"- my mother
I was 19 years old when i landed in Sarajevo in January 1995 .
Young and naive , and full of confidence in that we would have this under control in week or to .. .
Then we drove out the airport gate and in to Dobrija .... since then Sarajevo has been in my bones and soul every single day.
I remember the sommer of 95 like it was yesterday and i know now that it will never leave me alone before im 6 feet under.
And yes , it is one of the most beautiful places on earth .
I was back in 2007 and there was football BIA vs Turkey and the whole city was vibrating and there was happy people everywhere.
Is was on real , like i had traveled in time .
One thing that made me sit down was all the young people who looked like young people should but the contrast between them and the older was brutal.
I could still see the war in those eyes , it was brutal and it just kept on and on with every one .
BIH won that night , what a night we had ❤
Here is a ture of Sarajevo from Zetra to Dobrinja and back . I was a first mover in the art of "Tanks with Gopro" remember it was long before images stabilization and digital high definition , it was a Video8 cam in Ammobox because filming = sniper fire
Thx for the video , nice work 👍
th-cam.com/video/Hek58B1WNw4/w-d-xo.html
@Kristian Rasmussen
You were an UNPROFOR soldier?
@@andrijadjordjevic9584 yes .
@@Svip_dk respect from Bosnia , we don’t forget who helped us and who attacked us
Otto von Bismarck (1888): One day the great European war will come out of some damned foolish thing in the Balkans
Conflicts arose in the Balkans solely by the strategic interests and interventions of external powers
@@NGB1 what does "civil war" mean?
В Барселоне половина населения вывешивает каталонские флаги и жжет испанские, а вторая вывешивает испанские и жжет каталонские. И только два иммигранта из Одессы Моня и Фима, падая с ног, с утра и до ночи шьют и продают эти флаги
@@NickName-pq5gy Yes, write something in cyrillic so noone will understand. Good idea.
@@NGB1 This kind of nonsense is so prevalent these days. Conflict is a human universal. It is not imposed from the outside. To think the Balkans would be fine if there had been no intervention is ludicrous. It's also an easy way for the guilty participants to deflect responsibility to outside actors.
As a Croat from Croatia, I belive that people of BiH (especially younger generations) will never ever let politicians lead them into war. There is so many connections between these nations any non peacfull act would lead to more economical and demografic stagnation. Hope that BiH people can solve this through communication only.
Pozdrav za sve dobre ljude!
Plus there are barely any young people left. Do they (the politicians) really expect senior citizens to do the fighting. The common people get scr*wed while the political elite distract us with tribal nonsense.
@@AdeptusDesu Completely agree. Politicians are pumping propaganda and ideas while keeping status quo. The are living out of that and without it they would lose their purpose
@@AdeptusDesu now im trying to imagine a war where all soldiers are over 35 years old
@@christianweibrecht6555 if a war started here again, I think 2 million people would flee to the EU immediately. And since Bosnian passports allow for EU travel, it would be easy and quick.
to ti misliš, jebo te sjeverozapad i možemo
It really seems they would all be better off if the serb part joined serbia, croat part joined croatia and the bosnians just have their own musim majority state
No they wouldn't because that way you reward ethnic cleansing and genocide and you set a dangerous precedent for the whole world.
Republic of Srpska isn't autonomous region, it is constitutive entity of Bosnia and Herzegovina. It is like a state member of confederation.
Neće više postojati hahaha
@@sadanbarakovic7318 rubbish long live Srpska Republic
Honestly when is Bosnia not breaking up
Honestly what is Bosnia
When it's neighbors are not trying to intervene in it's politics...
@@MilanVVVVV a country?
Wtf is serbia? I have a map from 2005 and don’t see it on there 🤷🏼♂️
@@baklava6138 I believe that was a joke
@@MilanVVVVV I'll do you one better: Why is Bosnia?
As a Bosnian, I am not that concerned about war, but I am glad to see the world finally paying attention to us.
@Tony Montana never, don't like Bosnia, leave, Bosnia for Bosnians
@Tony Montana We don't war and to split up. But as we know our Croatian and Serbian (especially them) neighboors, they like to go into wars. But we will not give up, until it's over. We just can hope that NATO will kick out Russian influence of this region. Maybe it's a hidden plan? Like they did in Kosovo? ;-) ? If yes. They can have Bosnia as a protectorate! Make 10 camp bondsteels no problem! But no centimeter of land for Serbs for free!
@@jaskotv8777 The US isn't coming. We are no longer the world's only superpower. We have to worry about the Chinese. The Russians can do as they wish. No advantage for the US.
@Tony Montana No thank you. Muslim Bosnia is better with Turkey, its master.
@@bosanskipatriota2295 Is Arabic common there brother?
Please do what our beloved Prophet did. We need a Caliphate. It would be a great move to see the first European Caliph with blonde and blue eyes! Lead the Muslim world. We must get Rome! You are not European. You are one of us. Arabs! Me, you, all of us are ARABS!
May Allah SWT get you the blessing to push to establish the Caliphate in Europe! Europe will soon be Islamic and Arabic!!!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!!!
"Bosnia in danger of breaking up."
USA: Hey, let me try that!
@@alexnezhynsky9707 thank you!
@@alexnezhynsky9707 explain.
I see Srpska doing only what Texas did. If Texas was right, why not emulate them?
my history teacher once said: "The balkans is a huge pile of kegs full of gunpowder, one tiny spark and it all blows to smitherinees"
Well your teacher spiting facts
There are important things that Shirvan missed to say in this video (on puropose or not):
1. Presidency of BiH is made of three presidents - one Croat, one Bosniak and one Serb. Since Bosniaks are more numerous than Croats, for third time now they have elected both Croat and Bosniak members of presidency and that Croat member identifies as Croat but is a political Bosniak (he got almost none of the votes in Croat majority regions. As Croat member of presidency, he can also select offcials on Croat behalf. And he did so, by selecting Bosniak muslim officials who changed their nationality to Croat only to get the office.
2. Croatian main goal is to change election law so that Croats can elect their legitimate representatives
3. Croats argue that third entity is good solution to this problem and sloves "Sejdić-Finci" problem.
4. "Sejdić-Finci" problem is the fact that people of other nationalities (like Jews or Roma) cannot be elected into office because they don't belong to any od constituent peoples and that's violation of their human rights. By creating third entity, each of the presidents would be elected in each entity and he could be of any nationality, there would be no need for national preconditions.
5. As Croats have increasingly lost their political power to Bosniaks in recent decades, Serbs are afraid that same might happen to them, so they are trying to counter Bosniak dominance together with Croats.
yes,i wanted to say that,well said
Thanke you, you have explaned the true story of all issue in the Bosnia.
The Croatians are not granted the third entity from Europe (Austria and Germany) and the USA. The fact is that Europe and the United States are afraid to recognize Muslims as a people.
You know that Bosnia in the Middle Ages was a Christian kingdom, and the Bosnian people were wiped out by the Ottomans, as the Ottoman Empire was dissolved, the Muslim population was left without a nation in Christian territory. Today we try in every way to revive the Bosnian = secular nationality to avoid the recognition that Muslims are a European people / nation.
In fact, unarmed Muslims are pushed to conquer Bosnia against Serbs and Croats, who instead obtain weapons from the US and Russia. It is normal for Serbs and Croats to rebel against Muslim domination.
Europe would like Muslims to be expelled / diminished from Bosnian territory to implement `` we do not yet know '' a new political model.
Maybe what I said is a conspiracy theory, I have an unfounded paranoia.
But it seems strange to me that one accepts the existence of three dominant nationalities, but does not accept a Bosnian federal state with three federal states. The only explanation is that the West does not want the third entity with a Muslim territory.
@@ArchangelGabriel if Bosnian muslim would look down his ancestral tree , what would he find ?
Let me guess - you are Croat.
There is nothing that proves that a third entity solves Sejdic-Finci. Even EU said it.
"Office of High Representatives" sounds like something straight out of the Halo Universe. Fits in perfectly alongside the likes of "Fleet of Particular Justice", "Vice Minister of Tranquility", "Mantle of Responsibility", and "CCS Truth and Reconciliation".
It’s a modern day colony, the office has more rights than elected politicians and can even sack politicians that were elected by Bosnian people, a tyranny governed by west ambassadors.
You can't simply call it colonial governor.
@@mdza Perhaps you should watch the video again - that supernatural authority is what kept the country from breaking apart.. 🙄
@@dyawr yes they are stitching something that can’t be stitched
@@mdza So, what would happen if there's a secession? - would we have a conglomerate of 3 intertwined, tiny independent states - or would Bosnia & Herzegovina be absorbed into its neighbours, leaving just a strip of Bosniak territory to survive on its own?
Or are you saying Bosnia shouldn't even exist as a nation? 😐 Either way, that authority is what kept the territory at peace, so that people could live their lives & their quality of life could improve..
Nothing is ever right with ppl who just want to criticise.
I watched your video and liked it very much until the moment where you said that third Croat entity in the Bosnia is the last thing they need. Well you just discriminated one ethnicity giving the right to two nations and refusing to give the same rights to the third nation.
I was told you are ugly many times and it hurts because it is NOT even my fault but i still love girls
It’s not a third nation lol, they are ALL Bosnians. We don’t need 3 nations, we need people to love and accept their home, to be proud of their home.
He said nothing wrong. That move would more deeply destabilize an already dazed country; especially in rough times like this. The country can't even run normally with as is, imagine what more complexity would bring in the political life of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
God it's like a mini Yugoslavia. Can't they just, like, dissolve peacefully?
We hope so ,to finish peacfully.
I went on holiday to Bosnia in September. Fabulous country.
For those who care, went to Sarajevo to Mostar to Neum. 🙂
@@billdexhart5179 Next time you visit those places they will also be in federation od bosniak republic, it's kinda similar.
@KenWorksEditing yes and next time hopefully that will be bosinak republic, new european country.
@KenWorksEditing As a serb i want to live in Republic of Srpska as a country not in bosnia a country which threatens our human rights.
@KenWorksEditing First of all there is difference between "genocide" and war crime, The Genocide was on example 1941. when nazi croats murdered over 1.2 million serbs, jews, roma in death camp Jasenovac and all other murder places in Independent state of Croatia in WW2. And civil war in ex YU had a lot of crimes not only crimes commited on bosniak people but on serbian people too? What about fact that serbs lost over 15 thousand inoccent civilians? Also Yugoslav regular army did not commit any of those crimes simply because Yugoslav Army was not in a war in Republic of Srpska because Milosevic didn't allow that so you can only blame para millitary formations for those crimes.
Bosniaks chose their path with their leader Alija Izetbegovic so now they have an opportunity to live in their own country but also serbs from Republika Srpska have right by International law , so i do not see what bosniak people and politicians want now? Maybe they want EU ressurect nazis to murder all serbs, im thinking about if bosniaks would agree with that.
When you duct tape a broken pot together and then wonder why it won't hold water is pretty much how I would sum Bosnia up.
About right!
Someone get this man a cold beer
*This guy gets it*
Exactly! And Shirvan seems to get it that the imposed order is an unnatural "house of cards". But when it threatens break up into its more stable ethnic constituencies, he reacts with horror as if it were an abomination that cannot be allowed to happen. Very perplexing.
@@vulpo yeah, I dont get that either.. just let Bosnia break up.. no one seems happy with the status quo.
I am croatian from Bosnia and Herzegowina. I just can say, that this state will be always seperated. We need a state for croatians/serbians and bosniaks or muslims before 1991. otherwise it will lead to a war
As someone who has been living in Bosnia and Herzegovina for his whole life I can say situation is not that dramatic as World media is representing it. We have learned to live with Milorad Dodiks menaceds and situation is really not that dramatic and scary.
That's good to know
Oh, and have you learned to live with Alia Izetbegovichs bastard?
You know, current representative of Bosnians is a SON OF A WAR CRIMINAL WHO COMMITTED GENOCIDE.
@@abhabh6896 dont know why you got triggered so hard. But I know for sure that any of presidents in Bosnia have not done anything good for country. And when we come to genocide topic. Yeah i know about Alija krimes also i know about Srebrenica.
My first thought is: HOW CAN IT BREAK UP ANY FURTHER?! Are Balkan countries just going to keep breaking up until every village is independent? Then they will fight over who owns the well in the middle of the village.
Neo HRE!!!
Exactly, all little dictators, drug smuggler clan leader wants their own territory.🙄🤪🤣 What can be better than own your own country.
well, in Belgrade, areas of the city are divided between different football fan factions that control them. If it sounds crazy, that's because it is. It's like we will find any reason to divide ourselves into groups, it's ridiculous...
@@user-xr9kj6by3u Is that really true? Seems so crazy that I am not able to believe it - any sources about this maybe?
@@bilgeturkkan6095 no, that's not true lol.
Alright boys, see ya in mountains of Bosnia in a couple of months
He is here.
Aj jedva čekam
Otkud ti ovde😊
Da
Po sumama i gorama, nase zemlje pooonosne.....
My balkan brothers! Do not fight each other !! Unite !!! Fight the powers that want to see you fight each other
Sometimes keeping independence becomes harder than getting independence
Well the Office of the High representative makes the whole countrys legitimicy highly questionable. A office of foreign people who can dismiss democratic elected personal of the state however they see fit and set laws themself. You can´t expect the people to be loyal to such a weird construct of course they will try to restructure the region politicaly.
What you're describing sounds a lot like the European Union.
@@johnmknox Not at all.
@@seneca983 not exactly, but not not at all. We are ruled by people we don’t vote for, just like them. And i am not even anti eu, but that is how it is.
Call it what it is, a colonial governor.
The office of the high representative doesn't do jack shit. He's just there to get free paycheck without doing any work. For 30 years he only made one change and the change was for genocide denial,which rs opposes the law.
Same in Lebanon, politicians and bankers found a way to bankrupt the country and cause a rift among the citizens to start a civil war. Just like that, one day we woke up and all political parties started rioting about trivial things when the rest of the citizens were wondering what just happened.
@Graf von Losinj and in addition to creating a falsehood of safety. Banks in Lebanon couldn't have gone bankrupt altogether. Except together with the central bank they orchestrated this financial crisis and took all the depositors money. Normally a person would save money in the bank, these guys ruined the economy's trust in the financial sector. No company would ever risk having its assets transferred to any of the banks in Lebanon. Imagine zero trust in the banking sector. How would an economy recover? That's why now, and without any fallback, people jumping wagon to exchange in usdt and crypto. We could argue back and forth the merits of such trust in virtual money, but when you need to live in this dynamic world, you need transferable assets. And since the banking sector can and would take your money forcefully, you are left with few alternative solutions. Today it's crypto for us. To make it worse, country went dark, no power or fuel alternatives as well due to no foreign currencies available in the reserve, which is insane and complete utter BS. So miners couldn't power up their rigs for few bucks they get in return to stay afloat. They (those who do not stand to benefit by being toppled over and losing their standing in government) orchestrated the riots, then the financial collapse, the rise of the country's few rich people under another political party, like we need more rich people who had it a bit rough to tell us what to do now. And so on. The list is endless. There is no way for us to go back the previous life we had 2 years ago. Whatever illusion of life we humans have can suddenly be extinguished by virtual norms. You always have to be on your toes and keep looking for number one and always be prepared for the worst. That's the new life here. The regional politics is very shifty, one day you're driving on the road, an explosion, a roadblock, a shooting, an accident, anything to make you go back home insanely fast. Sorry for the long comment. People get so desensitized here, mentioning all this is here is a release to vent.
"Armies don't start wars; politicians do."
I'm stealing that.
How is it bad for Republika Serbska to re-join Serbia, if they are majority Serbs? They do not want to be part of Bosnia, so let them go where they want...
They are the majority because they have ethnically cleansed this region of Bosnia. Today there are no more Bosniaks in Prijedor, Zvornik, Bijeljina. An entity created on ethnic cleansing and genocides does not deserve to exist.
that is bad due to the fact that they were never in whole history a part of serbia.
The main problem is that noone is respecting the law. High Representative is appointed contrary to the usual procedure, BiH Constitutional court is ignored, Dayton peace treaty is violated and noone cares. This stuff happens at least from 2006. and it starts to take its toll. Dodik is dangerous but its completely unrealistic to put all the blame on him. The deal that was made in 1995' after bitter negotiation is largely compromised from multiple angles and Bosniaks havent been able to form any meaningful and sustainable political approach considering their Serb and Croat countrymen. Unitary state, envisioned by main Bosniak party is simply a "no-go" for both Serbs and Croats.
There's not much Bosniaks can do when 45% of the population goes out of the way to undermine the stability of the nation. They (serb politicians) purposely work against the progression of the nation, and then turn around and claim that a unitary state is not possible.
@@09764312468 Should they work for a unitary state? They don't want it, leave them alone. It's like blaming the Slovenes for the fall of Yugoslavia
@@09764312468 Very simple thing;
1) Unitary state is not envisioned by the Dayton agreement, many european states are not unitary but they are succesfull. Unitary state is not possible or desired solution for many, many countries, including the biggest and most powerful ones.
2) "Bosnian nation" does not exist, there are 3 nations which form modern BiH along with other peoples (>3%). Bosniaks are 1 of 3 constituent peoples of BiH, like Flemish people in Belgium, or Germans in Switzerland.
3) Unitary state in this circumstances means only and exclusively the domination of Bosniaks over Serbs and Croats, and thats not what we signed. There is no point in trying to mask it with cheap political phrases, people are not THAT stupid.
@@FOLIPE The war ended with the signing of the Dayton peace accords which banned any secessions from the country. Moreover, Republicans Srpska was founded on ethnic cleansing, it's borders and demographics today would not be possible today without ethnic cleansing and genocide. Allowing secession would both be illegal, and would also send a message to everyone that genocide is the path to succession in the future. Also, there are a sizable amount of non Serbs in that entity
@@09764312468 And Bosnia wouldn't be possible without WW2 German sponsored genocide of the Serbs (by Muslims and Croats) and Turkish genocide of the Serbs under occupation which left many convertites to Islam. This is not a reason why Muslim Bosniaks wouldn't deserve a piece of land of their own. Why would you deny that to the Serbs?
Just a few facts:
1.Bosnia is country with three religions that were in war. Srbs Orthodox, Bosniak Muslims and Croat Catholics. The war ended in 1995 with the signing of the Dayton Peace Agreement, which created two fully autonomous entities, the Republika Srpska with 49% of Bosnia territory with Serb-majority 96%, and another autonomous entity, the Federation of BiH, with 51% of its territory, with 70%. Muslims and 30% Croats.
2.The presidency of Bosnia is composed of three representatives, each nation has its own representative who is elected. 3.The problem arises with the fact that Muslims, with their domination over Croats in one entity, have been electing a Croatian representative for decades, whom Croats do not perceive as their own leader and are powerless to change that. On the other hand, Muslims are able to re-vote all decisions of the Serbian representative from the other entity with two representatives over one. And so for 25 years, Muslims have abolished every year one by one the competencies of the Republika Srpska, such as the army, judiciary, agricultural land, forests goods... All under the pretext of creating a unitary state, which is supported by Germany as the most important member of the EU. This is where the problem arises because the representatives of the Republika Srpska have been asking for years for things to be returned to the original Dayton, which guarantees them certain rights in a certain territory. Another option is a peaceful breakup. But the only ones talking about the war in case of breakup are a representative of Muslims supported by German politician who is politically in favor of a unitary Bosnia that is not foreseen under the Dayton Agreement. Fortunately, the vast majority of the people of Bosnia do not want a war, so this crisis will end politically, most likely with unjust sanctions against the Republika Srpska, which will certainly not give up its guaranteed rights. It is unfortunate that this process has been going on for decades and will not end soon, and Bosnia as a dysfunctional state is getting poorer and people are leaving it.👋
It's because historically Serbs have been Pro Russia and the Serbian seat is Pro Russia. It's all Geopolitics
Well the problem is Bosniacs want a war and they want 100% of Bosnia with 0% of Serbs and they want the western powers to do it for them since the last time they attempted this they couldn't do it. They want the same thing Croatia got in the 90s.
@@FilipCordas If they remove the Serbs, and get what they want... the Croats will take their stuff and leave as well, you can't have your cake and eat it too...you can be sure of that.
@@HladniSjeverniVjetar The Bosnians want 0% Croatians in Bosnia as well don't understand what you mean.
@@FilipCordas it means Bosnia without Croats
I’m a Bosnian vet. This breaks my heart.
it always pains me when I think of my dad. He is one of the most honest people Ive met and he is pushing me to get a higher educatio whilist he is working breaking his every bone at an old age after he wasted his youth in the war
Thank you for this very informative video. "Tinderbox" is a very apt description of this situation. As an American, though, it would be the height of hypocrisy for me to rail against a Serb or Croatian move toward secession, given our own history of secession from Great Britain in 1776. Moreover, given our federal government's tendency to screw things up internationally when it inserts itself overseas (Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia), it's probably better for the US to stay away from this mess.
All the "information" in this video are totally biased and usual anti-Serbian propaganda! I just don't understand how they are not bored of repeating the same trash over and over again.
Every time there is a threat of war in Bosnia, the first thing I do is check when the next election is.
The largest nationalist parties are loosing influence over their respective people (mostly due to corruption), and the logical thing for the nationalistic parties to do would be to war monger and divide the people before an election.
Precisely, a little warmongering is what they do every time before the election, then after it's back to normal.
@@zmajooov "normal"? - Normal in Bosnia is that Croats want to be a part of Croatia and Serbs want to be a part of Serbia. This is normal i Bosnia. The only end-game is war.
@@dumbdumber7203 well they migrated to Bosnia, then they might as well just move to those countries if they want to be part of it. I personally think Bosnia should become a new Yugoslavia. Solution to that problem? Abolish all sort of nationalism, period. That's what worked under Tito, the only way it can work
@@Amir_97Seriously...once a wise man with silly hair said something like repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is madness. That would be your sollution to the problem since we all know how Yugoslavia ended. If from that you haven't learned that national identity and feelings cannot be destroyed then you're gonna have another war for exactly the same reasons as before. But that also explains a lot why Bosnia is basically an anus of Europe.
@@Amir_97 nobody migrated to bosnia, serbs and croats were there long before the arrival of islam. this is precisely why they don't want to do anything with you. serbs and croats can fight a war, but when it's peace it's peace, with you on the other hand even in peace it's war. and your pathetic attempts at falsifying history are but one of the many examples.
We will call hyperbalkanization. At one point we will have city states there.
sounds fun
City states, and then local tribes in the far future. Ultrahyperbalkanization
No, Croatian and Serbian part of Bosnia naturally want to join their mainland Countries. So the number of countries would be the same if Bosniaks get their part.
Thanks for the information. I had no prior news of this.
Weird, its almost like forcing people from different ethni to live together creates conflict.
Religion is the main issue here. They are all same ethnicity.
May bosnia always be at peace with anyone
may bosnia stop existing because its stolen land
@@007kingifrit Yeah return it to the Ottoman Empire
@@NaderBerbish Thankfully, that one doesn't exist anymore.
@@Matihood1In sha Allah it will exist and return peace and prosperity to our land
@@NaderBerbish take your meds man.
Bosnia is in danger of breaking up?
Must be Friday
Shirvan: Armies don't start wars. Politicians do.
Ottoman navy in WW1: am I a joke to you?
This joke has been made fifty fucking times already
The thumbnail for this video is absolutely beautiful. Another amazing video, this channel is 🔥
Sarajevo is one of my most-loved European cities, however, I never got the sense the conflict was over. The whole region is at once incredibly beautiful and horrifically tragic. I am saddened by this analysis as it validated my concerns for this region.
Problems caused by different religions
I visited Sarajevo in the mid-aughts and sensed the same thing. When I visited Mostar 2.5 years ago, it left no doubt that relations were bad. Both times I came away feeling conflicted about my visit. It's such a beautiful and culturally rich region. But knowing what happened, and how the area never really recovered made it hard to feel good when I left. Very sad indeed.
When USA(helped by EU) came in 1990 and made a war by buying our polititians to start the war so previous country Yugoslavia cold be disbanded, they didnt think of how will after live together 3 nations that all lost a 5% of their pople in that war. Every house have some members killed by some people of other 2 nations. Whoever you met he coul d be kiiler of your brother, uncle, father, son. What do you expect from people here?
Well of course it is not over. The conflict had never come to its natural end, it was only frozen by a forced peace treaty when Croats liberated their lands and started gaining momentum in western Bosnia
@@squallp "When USA(helped by EU) came in 1990 and made a war by buying our polititians (sic) to start the war so previous country Yugoslavia cold be disbanded" - Sure Vlad, the Serbs and Croats had nothing to do with Yugoslavia being disbanded 🙄You need better propaganda than this, no one is buying it. 😆
“Armies don’t start wars, politicians do”
Pakistan- sweats nervously in 1965, 1971 and 1999 wars
Also so did Mustafa Kamal Attaturk refusing the orders given to him by the sultan after the ottoman defeat in WW1 and sparking the conflict to lead to Turkish independence
LMAO............. INDIA DID 1ST..........
1965 START GENOCIDE OF KASHMIRI AND HINT TO REMOVE ARTICLE 370 AS WELL INDIA DEFEATED FROM CHINA SO THEY WANTED SOME RESPECT.....
1971 INDIA START PROXY WAR IN EAST PAKISTAN AND START KILLING OF WESTERN PAKISTANIES WHO LIVE IN EASTERN PAKISTAN THEY ATTACKED JASHORE OR KHULNA THEN PAKISTAN STRIKE INDIA..........
1999 PAKISTAN SEND MESSAGE TO INDIA WHAT THEY START IN 1990 TO 2000................
@@vantagehistory1813 What you eat for breakfast bro?
@@vantagehistory1813 lmao imagine ignoring the genocide yall were committing in bangladesh
@@vantagehistory1813 lmfao, imagine thinking using caps makes you correct, your lucky India never chose to just curb stomp Pakistan into the dark ages, India could have kept Lahore but chose to give it back, maybe you guys should start thinking about returning jammu & Kashmir to India and fix relations instead being war mongers 24/7.
I remember seeing the reports on tv in the 90's, I've seen a few documentaries and movies, watched numerous videos, and talked to many of my wife's family who are from the area and I still can't understand why they can't just *choose* peace and get along. Bosnia, you are a beautiful country, you deserve better. ✌
Living here 25 yrs , still have same wondering as you. Generally most of normal people are good , religion doesn't matter at all or someone look at that, but there are always extremists from both sides , usually poor uneducated well people who support those , and they are using religion to make propagation,
You can take what I say now as comple nonsense but I will say it anyway.
There was never peace in Bosnia it's a land that has been split on religious and ethnic lines for centuries.
There is no generatio in the last 150 years that didn't have their father and/or grandfathers waging some sort of war on the other side.
To take the last war as an example, it happened 45-50 years after the end of WW2. During WW2 some of the most brutal and fucked up shit happened there. It may seem like it was long time ago but I know a man who was a kid during WW2 and survived being in a concentration camp but most of his family was killed, he ended up being an officer in the Bosnian Serb army.
Now imagine thousands of kids traumatised in some sort of a similar way on all sides 4-5 decades later becoming high ranking officers and politicians... The outcome was obvious.
Awesome content as always!!
Considering it’s situated in the balkans, I think it’s a given for the region to destabilise every now and then.
There are historically unstable regions that have become stable since tho
@@jakecob864 True but none of them are called the Balkans
@@jnimitzch4738 Protestant England and Catholic France.
Germany
South East Asia
@@westrim Relations between England and France have only "normalized" after France conquered all territorial claims in continental Europe. England and France have no shared land border. It's quite easy to have stability in those conditions. South east Asia is far from stable, especially in the South China sea.
@@jnimitzch4738 For almost all of its existence, "Germany" was basically a regional term - rather like Balkans -and composed of dozens to hundreds of minor states, often swearing allegiance to a few of their fellows or another power, and constantly battling. The 30 Years War was the worst of it, with Protestant and Catholic armies, of German states and foreign powers, devastating everything they came across - the population of the German states fell by a quarter from murder, illness, and famine, far worse than anything the Balkans have experienced in the last several hundred years. It wasn't a coherent nation of its own until the late 1800s, and even then that was to a large degree Prussia imposing itself on every other German state (which is what made it a German empire before it began seeking colonies). In a sense Germany wasn't truly unified until the Weimar Republic did away with the Prussian monarchy.
As for Muslims, that's why I threw in SEA. The nations there have their issues, but it's largely stable as far as foreign conflict goes, and Muslim or not, they all benefit from standing together against pressures from India and China.
"Armies don't start wars, politicians do."
Someone should tell that to the Professor of the "anthropology" class I had to take.
How it's like where you are? Mine sucks a lot, just leftist agenda.
Tribalism a genetic instinct will constantly build up pressures. Historical grudges here a legacy of Colonialism by the Ottoman Empire additional problem.
When the Army is also the politicians they start wars.
Balkans and Balkanization meaning unstable stupidity of the most horrible kind a long standing word.
@@lohaye3260 lefties agenda how?
In a nutshell:
Bosniaks want a unitarian state in which THEY, being the most numerous population, will be a deciding factor.
Serbs don't want ANYTHING to do with a unitarian state and will not tolerate Bosniak hegemony, being the second numerous population.
The Croats want a separate entity, will not accept unitarism and are traditionally opossed to anything Serbian.
Good luck in solving that problem!
they want herceg bosna to go to Croatia with them which war 1993 war was about.
You had a lot of good points, but saying that Muslim politicans (SDA) are the one trying to stop the dissolution is wrong. Don't forget that a lot of problems BIH is facing now comes from unitaristic policies of Sarajevo that's trying to bully and undermine Croatians that have some rights given to them by the Dayton's treaty. Reason why Bosnian Croats are siding with Bosnian Serbs rather than Muslims is because they want to achieve their constitutional rights of fair representation that SDA is trying to block.
Reality is that the key of BIH future is in bringing together Muslims and Bosnian Croats and you can't achieve that if Muslims are electing Croatian representative and ignoring crucial segments of Dayton's peace accords that says that BIH is a country of three entitys with their given rights.
Future of Bosnia can't be peaceful and prosperous with one entity dominating others, we learned that from history books; Only solution is in respecting the rights of your neighbor and working for the greater good.
But it is not a country with 3 entities it is a country with 2 entities and 3 constituent people in both entities and now the Brcko district it also says that 1 representative is elected elected from within RS and 2 in the FBiH that is what the constitution says noone ever thought about what would happend if a Croat politician runs for office that is Pro-Bosnia and a lot of Bosniaks love what he stands for and decide to vote for the Croat rather then their own Bosniak candidates you will never convince the world nor the Bosniaks to not be allowed to vote for a Serb or Croat if they love what he stands for and he is Pro Bosnia it has 0 to do with undermining anyone if that is how you personally feel than that is on you but legally nothing was undermined when it comes to the BiH constitution
@@Untrus If it wasn't a legal question why would the Constitutional court of BIH rule that the election procedures were unconstitutional and that they have to change to give Croatian minority in Federation a fair position in the next election process?
Thing you're saying would be true if Federation was created as a part of BIH with one citizen/one vote rule, but Dayton accords recognised that every ethnic group in Bosnia has to have a fair access to state bodies without the other side overvoting them based on sheer numbers.
Whole point of BIH is in giving everyone wider array of rights (even outnumbered Croatians) because we've seen in the 90's what happens when someone starts to talk about being in danger or misrepresented.
@@AgentZero62 that is not what the constitutional court ruled, it ruled that the BiH constitution needs to comply with the sejdic finci ruling of the world court where a jew, and a Roma went and sued bosnia because you can only run for high office if you are a croat, bosniak, or serb which is clearly discriminatory the Bosniaks and the E.U are advocating for a system where anyone can run for any position no matter who they are this is where the problem is because HDZ BiH (main croat political party) and SNSD (main Serb political party) are advocating for for Ethnic boundaries within the country where anyone can vote for who ever which the bosniaks are not willing to accept because it is discriminatory to bosniaks in majority croat serb areas and vice versa this is the whole issue with the Voting Law because the EU is pressuring them to pass it but noone can reach a compromise
@@AgentZero62 the f bih was created with 1 vote 1 citizen rule that is how a croat was able to be elected by bosniak votes this is the whole point
@@Untrus I'm not talking about Sejdic ruling, but Ljubic ruling that said that every constitutional ethnic group (Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks) should have fair representation in Dom naroda and other state bodies.
Ruling was clear in saying that election law should change to create a fair chance for Croats to have their representative in Predsjednistvo which is not the case now when Croatian representive is elected with majority of Bosnian voters.
And that's the whole problem with one man/one vote policy that completely goes in favour of the muslim majority but it's in contradiction with everything done in Dayton peace accords that was implemented to prevent domination of one ethnic group.
Inverting the story to say that fair representation is same as creating separate ethnic territories similar to RSK is simply not true. Irony of the whole situation is that Bosnian side is pushing Croats into Dodik's arms while trying to achieve complete domination in Federation. Reality is that giving Croats their right to chose representatives is the rational way to subdue Dodik's separatistic plans and I really can't see why muslim elites are ignoring that.
The Balkans won't have peace until every person has their own country.
This is what western imperialism does
@@bljet4388 yup
Herzegovina is Croatia!
The Balkanization of the Balkans is not explainable by the character of the people living there. There is a geopolitical context that your comment does not take into account and that includes external influences as well as internal national divisions, stoked by the ruling classes in the region
@@dumbdumber7203 ne seri
Shirvan, Thank you for a calm, cogent analysis of the situation.
my favorite part about the embedded ads is skipping them completely and not listening to a word said
Borders in the Balkans were poorly drawn and should be redrawn.
Armies don’t start wars, politicians do. Lest we forget! Citizens just become cannon fodder. Definition of stupidity.
most of the time your correct, Japan in ww2 is one of the few exceptions to this rule, where the military started the war in china against the wishes of the politicians.
WW1: begins because a man wanted a united southern Slavic nation
Yugoslavia: Shatters into a million pieces
More like Austria to butt hurt to back down
that is not why the war broke out
@@flintniel7070Serbia agreed to most of Austria demands but hey, its not always that you can start a world war, so Austria send million to their death.
@@flintniel7070 It did. Gavrilo was a very passionate Yugoslav nationalist and wanted a united Yugoslavia free from Austria.
it was Serbia plan long ago
Ty for reporting on this issue without bias.
As someone who lives in Bosnia, this is really scary.
"Armies don't start wars, politicians do" Have you ever heard the tale of Imperial Japan?
It is not a tale the Jedi would tell you...
Why do people on TH-cam insist on copying comments made by others? It's wierd.
This same comment about Imperial Japan was made by someone else an hour before.
@@Pemmont107 to be fair it was also the first thing that came to my mind. I was also gonna make that comment until I scolled a bit and saw the comment you are referring to...
@@Pemmont107 there is at least 10 of those
and i have just started scrolling down
Ah, didn't have a look at the comments before writing, I guess it is pretty unoriginal thinking about it. Probably could have come up with other examples but Japan is by far the most prominent case from the period when communication technology was at the point that they really should have known better and where there won't be any arguments about the divide between army and colonial administration authority.
When a Balkan country is calling in *TURKEY* to mediate and solve a dispute like this, you know shit is 2 steps away from falling off a cliff
Ey let´s be honest if Russia and Serbia are called in on the Serbian side then Turkey being called in, is more than logical. Turks still enjoy great respect by the Bosniaks and so do the Bosniaks from Turks. Bosniaks are like Azerbaijanis who don´t speak turkic for us
Not the contry.. only the Bosniak side is calling tham.. 2/3 of the contry do not give a f**** about turkey
@@nohlavopi8617 and I specifically said the Bosniaks are calling us, also the Bosniaks make up 53% of Bosnia, thus your state if 2/3’s not caring about Turkey is quite wrong
@@adidoki they don't make 53% of Bosnia. They hardly control even 24% of actual territory and it's very dubious if they even have over 40% of the population, considering how they tampered with the referendum.
@@zmajooov 1.7 million out of 3 million sth sth Bosnians are Bosniaks, so point still stands, about 53% are Bosniaks.
"Armies don't start wars, politicians do"
Tatmadaw: "Hold my Beer"
I've never understood how the Bosniaks ended up so different from their Christian counterparts just because of their religion. Their language is still Slavic, their land is in Slavic lands, and they don't really have what we call an Islamic culture, more like a Slavic culture with an Islamic influence. But idk why they differentiate them selves so much from their other Slavic brothers like Africans in Africa are Christians but that hasn't made them Europeans nor has Christians in Lebanon made them similar the Europeans yet Bosniaks almost reject their Slavic heritage and origin and almost force an Islamic and almost Turkish culture upon themselves and I can honestly see why this would make Croats and Serbs angry because not only did they convert (and kind of betray the common Balkan cause) to get better treatment by the Turks but then they've almost spat on their heritage and culture and rejected and differentiated themselves from their common origin with other Slavs as much as they can all for what? Turkey has abandoned them and they should be at least trying to integrate and share a common path with their fellow Slavs instead of constantly trying to divide themselves from everyone else
I wouldn't say that Bosniaks try to differentiate themselves, nor that they cast off their heritage. Perhaps you could shed some light on how you concluded that? I'm quite interested as a Bosniak myself.
Also, one of the main problems is that the term "Bosniaks" is associated with "muslims" which is a huge issue, since it comes off as a nation which is not (Bosniaks regardless od religion can be accepted as a nation, but not "muslims", "catholics" etc.). The term "Bosniak" should have been the common term for all peoples of Bosnia but nationalistic politics made that impossible on all sides.
So basically, as I see it, politics has divided this issue into religion, meaning that if you are a muslim you are a Bosniak, if you are catholic you are a Croat, or orthodox then you are a Serb. Which is pure nonsense, people of Bosnia sre diverse, so you cannot narrow it down to that but that's exactly what politics made, unfortunately.
Nobody is casting off their heritage here, we are all very much alike.
If you look very closely it is mainly the Bosnian Serbs (the nationalistic politicans) who try to deny the heritage of the people of Bosnia saying that we didn't exist as a nation and country many centuries ago long before the Ottomans came.
The rock band Franz Ferdinand should go play a charity concert in Sarajevo to help relieve tensions.
Today I learned that Republika Sprska is not Serbia
well, some want to change that
Serbia is a master of war crime magic to get things done!
This conflict is just around the corner
And was not a DANGER TO BRAKE UP YUGOSLAVIA?!?
The map rotation is confusing
I find it to be the reason I watch Caspian Report. He does not just look at situations from one side, he rotates the map and looks at the situations from all sides.
But fun
I cant focus on the content of the video its just so distracting
Particularly opaque, for me, were those maps with black arrows going every which way. I am grateful it had nothing to do with the report.
@@vanjastringer3107 then maybe videos and/or geography and/or politics isnt for you
Man every time I see pictures of Bosnia it looks so pretty. The landscape, the architecture... it's too bad it's filled with such turmoil over the years.
Maybe if Bosnia breaks up my friends will stop giving confused looks when I say Bosnia Herzegovina
I know the answer, but WHY can't those Serbs leave and join Serbia? It makes no sense that they were ever allowed to be trapped inside of Bosnia!
Because the territory they own today was acquired by genocide, prosecution and forcing people out of country.
because that would mean forced relocation
Interesting content, on a topic that is much overlooked! Great work, as always!!
I love how you make me learn the capitals of countries.
The Dutch: *Nervous sweating*