Why Did Ireland Dislike England
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- For 600 years Ireland remained some way controlled by our bigger neighbors. So today I decided it would be a good idea to explain to those who do not understand, why Ireland had a problem with the English for a long time.
Whether it be the plantations, famine or closing down pubs they found some way to give us grief.
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It should be titled, WHY DOES IRELAND DISLIKE ENGLAND?
You know why
@@declan1278what? The fact that the star of the video and yourself can’t get the difference between ‘did’ and ‘does’ and you thinking he’s asking. Funny 😂
@stevengoddard7685 what you on about
@@declan1278 Obviously butt-hurt and wanting to start something.
The Irish don’t have a problem with the English, you have a problem with successive English Governments, and guess what?
So do we.
The ruling classes may have behaved abysmally during the famine, but don’t for one minute think they behaved any differently towards the poor of England.
Corn Laws, Workhouses etc.
Interesting point about English raising £500k, to help relieve the conditions, never heard that before.
Interesting point. I'll need to read into this. Was this around the same time as well?
@@conorgoulding4014 Also the Poor Laws and the massacre at Peterloo, a peaceful march of men woman and children, estimates put the the dead at about twenty, many more were injured.
Are further examples.
@@conorgoulding4014 You forgot to mention the help that was sent from America by the Choktaw nation! That must never be forgotten as they had just suffered on the Trail of Tears themselves.
Conor, I love your enthusiasm, but please give more time to research and accuracy. (eg Cromwell). I have the impression that you posted in a hurry. It's better to take time and check every fact and detail.
I hope that you will not take this amiss as I am writing in a friendly mode which I hope will encourage you. Thank you for doing very well, but never lose sight of your capacity to do better.
But overall, I enjoyed your posting.
As an bhFrainc, tréaslaím leat! Beir Bua!
@@philreid4319whilst I generally agree with the sentiment that it’s the British elite that we actually take issue with, I think it’s compounded by the colonial endeavours enacted in Ireland.
Whether that’s discriminatory penal laws, a much more militarised police-more comparable to a colonial gendarmerie to a much worse famine response comparatively to other European empires at the time, even between the islands.
The fact that a million died here in a famine almost no where else experienced at that scale indicates Ireland wasn’t treated quite the same as Britain, even within that context the treatment of Scottish Gaeltachtaí in the Highlands with a smaller scale famine might be more comparable .
Simplifying it down to disagreement over governments is a belittling of the scale to which this mistreatment was enacted.
That’s not to denigrate the disgusting treatment of the working class of Britain just to acknowledge there is a spectrum of severity to which different classes and races were mistreated by the elite, which is not unique to any one country unfortunately
@@beaglaoich4418 I don’t believe I belittled the famine or would any tragedy.
The ‘clearing of the Scottish Highlands’ was also a tragedy, imposed on the populous , by a Westminster Government.
It was a political act, not an expression of hostility between the English and the Scots.
I don’t wish to play ‘Top Trump’, over inept and callous responses by any British government,
But I would point out that British governments do have previous, latterly the 1943 Bengal famine.
Again an inadequate government response, not a symbol of hostility between people, which was the point I was attempting to make.
The sound is very uneven. A shame - I would like to have watched it through
I would say because of the English tortured the Irish and whatched them starve to death🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
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It's a disgrace the way the English carried on in this country. We didn't suffer a potato famine here. We suffered a mass starvation brought on by the English. Nothing more nothing less
The government at the time spent £8 million on aid to Ireland. The equivalent of 1 billion todays money.
I'm curious as to why you left out England for the places Irish migrated to during the famine. Over half a million Irish people migrated to England during the famine. This is why many English people have an Irish ancestor from this time.
and in the 1960 Irish were still going to the UK as the signs would say in the guesthouse window no dogs blacks or Irish actually even into the early seventies so it's not like England was a second home
@johnnycarey1254 Those signs were in America. There isn't much proof they were a thing in the UK.
Actually, there is no solid evidence that this sign existed anywhere. However, the attitude it reflects undeniably existed@@johnnycarey1254
No problems with English people. Lots of trouble with the English government.
They are behind the government.
Well said totally agree
There was a mention of the ships of grain sent from the Ottoman Sultan, turned back by the British.
It's a popular story, but is it true?
Unfortunately the port from which the ships are said to have sailed has no record of the ships.
Some tales claim that the shios sailed down the Boyne, delivering their cargo, while many other tales tell of the shios being turned away by those "murdering Brits"!
So if the ships were turned away, where did they sail to? Again, where are the records to show their arrival at which ever port they sailed to.
Without this evidence it's more tempting to believe that the "grain ships" were no more than folklore, tacked onto the Sultan's very generous cash donation, perhaps to make him seem more generous again. After all, to a starving family, a ship laden with food is more appealing than all the money in the world!
The British blockade of the Ottoman vessels seems at odds with the fact that food aid was arriving from other nations, including England itself. Why turn away the Turkish ships?
Again, without evidence to support the claim, it's more tempting to believe this to be no more than Nationalist propaganda created to stir up further hatred of British rule, as if any more reason were needed. However, it could be argued that while many liked the idea of Irish Independence, the reality was much apathy. We see very much a similar story with modern nationalist movements in Europe. Many dream of reclaiming their national identities, but that dream extends little past commenting on twitter videos, or moaning to their mates at work. And thank goodness for that!
In conclusion, if anyone has evidence to support this story, please leave links below. Make them from good, reputable sources though, and try to be aware of bias.
Thank you
Pretty much for the same reason as everyone else.
A better question is why did Britian dislike Ireland ?
They wanted the land that grew good food.
My ancestors in Cork mainly kept the poms out
King James the sixth of Scotland not fourth. Not William Cromwell. Oliver.
William Cromwell?
You talking about auld Ollie?
And none of the people deported were sold as slaves - they were indentured servants. And yes the difference matters.
Great video. Famines don't happen in democracies. And the Irish finally figured it out. Quit pissing about the English, stop being dominated and abused by priests and nuns, they got educated, got smart, invested and now make more money and have a higher standard of living than the English. (When I visit England and Ireland I can easily grasp that the English would not want me back (my ancestors left 400 years ago) but I can also see how much wealthier I am. and open minded. The Irish? They seem to be doing okay. I love Belfast. (The only difference between the Protestants and the 'Catholics' (they don't all attend Mass.) is the Protestants (like White suburban Americans) have a list of places in NI, they think as possibly dangerous, the 'Catholics' don't have such a list. And their Union Jacks are always in better condition than the few still hanging in England.
Where the Irish went wrong is drinking and abusiveness (blaming others for ones worst behavior.) After the Irish got autonomy they assassinated Michael Collins. That would be like America saying, we only got 13 states, not Canada? Let's murder George Washington.
Why was there mass exit by Irish to England if England was hated ?
Where else are you going to go??? There was no planes. Just boats across the ocean to England where they were jobs. It was starve in ireland or live in England. Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine moved to Russia rather then stay in Ukraine while its getting attacked
we talk about the problems we had with the english government and the famine and people say it was nearly two hundred years ago it was 1840/50 that decade and a hundred years later in Bengal India Churchill confiscated all the food for the second ww two million people starved to death in 42/43 in Bengal India all because Churchill didn't want the UK to go hungry so he let two million men women and children starved on the side of the road in India much the same way queen Victoria government starved us here in Ireland so after a hundred years the same policies applied England first everyone else can starve I'm sure there are still people alive in India who remember Churchill's famine
The Pale consisted of parts of Dublin, Kildare, Meath and, Louth. Historical Accuracy, please.
Dublin was the only county completely under the control of the Pale. The rest gradually came under control. . Get your facts right before you correct mine
Oliver cromwell.he would not have came to irleand old wat because of the slaughter of the setters miss Porter was among the first too be massacred and her 6 lovely daughters in Portadown
Cromwell.
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8) To put the £500,000 raised in context (an an inflation calculation will not address disparity in rich and poor), the average wage of a labourer was around £25 per year. 9) This was a huge sum and reflected the the outrage across Britain with donations from both the poor and gentry including the Crown. 10) Parliament was hesitant to interfere in Irish laws initially. 11) This video could give reasons for the Irish to dislike the British parliament (albeit made up from MPs across the islands), but not to dislike the British people, including the English.
Cromwell
Thank you
Let's start with Henry 2nd and then Oliver Cromwell.Then the famine that didn't have too be.So I understand.Oh; let's not forget religious bigotry.
Did?
Some corrections: 1) They were not slaves but indentured servants. A true slave would be insulted if you suggested otherwise. And English, Scots and Welsh were also coerced into indentured servitude with their numbers dwarfing the Irish. 2) The Act of Union included Irish MPs with the idea of uniting the national equally, so Ireland was not ruled by the English but by MPs from across Britain. Of course the majority were English as they had the larger population. 3) Across Europe, most countries discriminated between Catholic and Protestant.....and Jews with religion being a primary cause of wars. 4) Did you deliberately move from the term English to British when describing the landowners during the famine? One might say British Irish (a common way to reference one's nationality at the time) or Protestant landowners, but wording is often muddied to paint a different picture - see 6. 5) When the effects of the laws were seen, they were repealed and the British government took action to force the landowners to stop selling potatoes overseas, including blockading ports. 6) Support for independence was at 18% in 1916. Following independence, the Irish government was concerned about moves to rejoin Britain, so the teaching of history was "adjusted" to ensure support from future generations. Indeed, the facts are hard to find and the fallacies now accepted as facts. Much of this can be shown through the low votes for the Home Rule League; those brave Irish that joined Britain to stop the Nazis; the preference of those in Northern Ireland to stay; and the continued emigration of Irish to Britain. 7) Historically, the English, Irish, Scots and Welsh are the same people, but divided by our Kings and then governments often due to religion. It is us at the bottom that suffer, but we can choose to be a victim.
There was no need to "adjust History" - the reality was terrible.
Taking the land, Penal Laws, Reneged Treaty of Limerick, genocide.....
You said that the Irish were sub-human apes.
I appreciate how you said "did" not "do". I think we're cool now.
Exactly :) history is in the past for a reason. Some of my best friends are english haha
@@conorgoulding4014 thank you for replying. I am English and my ancestors were Irish. I find history interesting. I don't feel emotional about it. It was bad for some people but there's nothing we can do for them now. Great video btw.
"Did."
1. Why didnt the Irish nobility accept the reformation? Martin Luther did one positive thing: he encouraged everybody to learn to read the bible. He was probably the greatest gift to literacy history in the world. This reform could have possibly saved the Gaelic language and culture.
Conor, This country is called 'Ire-land', not 'Are-land'
It's the pronunciation police 🟦🟥🟦🟥
It preferred to be ruled by George de Valero, born in New York, who changed his name to Edward de Valera.
That's very true. Thanks a million for your comment. And if you wouldn't mind subscribing I would really appreciate it :)
“My ancestors fought for Ireland down the centuries on the continent of Europe while yours were banging banjos and bartering budgies in the backstreets of Barcelona.” - attributed to James Dillon - a response he made to Eamonn DeValera.
I note you have the same bad habbit as the English ie calling England and Brittian asBeing the same.
Also James was the 6th not the 4th
You won't be kneecapped in Belfast it's majority Irish Catholic
bosh
You know it baby🇵🇹
Mise, déarfainn "tús maith, leath na hoibre.". Bíodh misneach agat in ainneoin 'bosh' an duine eile a scríobh an ráiméis sin.
What do you mean used to hate, ,we still do....never forgive....never forget.
Bet your fun at parties
@@conorgoulding4014 I am the life and soul at parties,bikers normally are,we know how to party and party hard,you should try going to one you might like it though something tells me they might be a tad too wild for you...
@@conorgoulding4014 and until Ireland is a united country i'll leave the forgiving part to whichever or whatever gods ye believe in.
Tiocfaidh ár lá.
How about the irish famine, the English starved one million souls to death.
Yes I mentioned this. Towards mid-end part of video I mention it. I didn't go into extreme detail on it because its widely known
Did?
Yes we have advanced. History is the past
@@conorgoulding4014 I don't think you speak for 'us' conor. Many families still living with problems from their rule; go to England currently and experience the on-going slights, abuse, and insults daily towards Irish people.. e.g "Beyond the Pale", e.g. using our national symbol on their new coinage etc e.g. "are you drunk".. e.g. "that's a bit Irish".. "where's your caravan" etc etc... different culture to us.. and read up on the history of the North... can't erase history - it is there to learn from not to forget
I did say in the video. Irish families in Northern Ireland still hold strong opinions against the English.
Also, I have been to England many times, actually London Cornwall Liverpool Manchester, and spoke to a lot of people and never experienced this. I'm sure it does happen if you're telling me, but I have not experienced this.
@@conorgoulding4014 Families all over Ireland, not just in NI... and it certainly happens, ask Irish who have lived there a number of years.