Thank you! As an American I think we are overly harsh on young offenders sometimes, but I am also horrified at the minimal punishments sometimes handed down in the UK. This person is a continuing danger.
that fact was probably sensationalized for the story. yeah he had a couple of friends, but even the guy interviewed labled as "rebecca's friend" said he didn't like him. plus he was letting her paint his nails as a junior in high school? probably just a loud mouth dweeb
14 years for murder is the most shocking thing about this case. So he will be released at 30 when he is very young and able to kill more with no remorse? Come on justice system.
The way this dude treats her. And we encourage this behaviour by saying “oh well that just means he likes you” when a girl brings up that a boy is picking on her. It makes us believe that being abused is a sign of love
Kids this young have no business dating period.. it’s insane to me that 15 year olds are involved in such serious s$@t to begin with .. like I’m sorry any child of mine is not dating until they are 17,18 years old they don’t like the rules they can go live somewhere else ..
Telling my husband about this case right now. The part where she went out and bought a whole new outfit to meet up with the boy she "loved" has me nearly in tears. I just foray that we can teach our daughter the signs of abuse before she is of dating age.
Once a narcissist realizes they can’t control you-the smear campaign begins. In their eyes-you are the enemy. Poor girl and her loved ones. Rest In Peace Rebecca...so sad...
THIS! I had an ex boyfriend who was physically, verbally and mentally abusive. Once we broke up he had the gall to get a restraining order against me just so he could look like the “good guy” and try to make me look as crazy as possible when I came back for my belongings and when he refused it made me cry little did I know he was filming me the whole time to show other people out of context. I did feel crazy after I got away but that’s because the manipulation was wearing off and I could finally see the truth. The smear campaign is still going strong years later and I feel like I literally have to PROVE my sanity around people who he knows
Yeah had one of those in my life at 19. My first serious grownup relationship, after 3 years I had enough but he wouldn't let go. He ran a pretty nasty smear campaign against me, he once drove 6 hours to meet up with a group I worked with as a student only to try and make life miserable for me. He told everyone I was still with him all the while telling people nasty lies about me . Twenty years later shortly after my husband's death he found me and contacted me. I was so disgusted, he knew where I lived and sent me messages to meet up, he was married with a kid by then. I told him I wasn't interested in seeing him and felt sorry for his wife. He would tell me what car I was driving etc. My husband and I were expats for 10 years, I only moved back after my husband's death and to a totally different town. It was really creepy and I felt very vulnerable living on my own not trusting him, he truly messed with me when we were a couple, I hated him. I went from a confident person to depressed and anxious because of him back when we were together, it took some time to gain confidence. Mentioning his wife everytime he contacted me helped, he backed off. I eventually sold my house and moved away and remarried, the only thing I learned from him was how to mistrust men.
This is not related to this situation at all, but this is also why alot of innocent people confess to things they didn't do. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And how horrible is it that you have to feel like you have to confess (falsely a lot of the time) in order to have any hope. I’m speaking for the people who have been wrongfully convicted over false confessions, I wish they would change the system so this NEVER happens again to anyone (I am well aware this guy is guilty thanks)
I believe that his parents fed into his narcissistic tendencies by not ever holding him accountable for his own actions. This gave him the confidence to believe that he could get away with, literally, murder.
It's disgusting that he only got 14 years in prison for a planned murder, a history of threats, etc. And his friends that testified are no hero's. They egged him on. You don't "joke" about buying someone breakfast for killing someone.
@@kendrabajuelo9869 Charged with what? They didn't commit any crimes, they didn't participate in orchestrating the murder. The school should expel these friends for their behavior though.
I just saw a show on Joshua Jenkins, who at 15, murdered his whole family in California. He was sentenced to over 100 years in prison with no parole. Fourteen years is a joke. That poor girl.
What a shame! Sometimes the most likable and charming people are the most evil, trust me I know many that will tell you how awesome you are and then turn around and go out of their way to harm you in any way they can. People are evil!
It's called dark humour, and it's not a crime. I remember making jokes far more sinister than that for shock value in school. There was nothing to suggest that their involvement in the trash talking was anything more than innocuous banter. I doubt they would have ever imagined this actually occurring for real.
Once you realize that this crime occurred in Wales, part of Great Britain, you’d understand that their laws are not the same as the US. British prison terms are much shorter than the States.
I just heard a minimum 14 years. He better take his last breath in jail. Everyone who said anything bad about him would be in danger if he walked the streets again. I can't believe the injustice of even giving him a chance at parole.
When I was 15 yrs old... Nobody knew the magnitude of abuse I was experiencing. Everyone would have said the same about my background, "coming from a good family and having a good life" . But, no-one knows what's really going on in a 15yrs olds life!
Gosh I keep seeing comments like rhese just young people leading very hard lives and it's heartbreaking I hope you are okay now I really do that you're safe and happy because you deserve nothing less.
No one wants a kid to experience a terrible childhood. Having a difficult childhood doesn't give anyone the right to take a life..if a child is being abused they need to be taught to speak up, tell someone until u get help..If you don't u cld end up just like this guy. Rmb you deserve so much better than abuse in a place that is suppose to be your safe zone..Tell someone until you get the relief and help you need..
My boyfriend in highschool acted this way towards me. He was my first love & I was head over heels for him which made him abuse that power he had over me & manipulate me. Started verbally & then physically. He turned everyone against me. When he hurt me & I got help, he threatened me till I gave in. Nobody should have to go through that at such a young age. I stayed 4 years till I finally left. Watching this episode made me really think back on how he was towards me. I wouldn’t say I have PTSD by any means but this made me feel some type of way. It made my skin crawl. I was once Becca. May she Rest In Peace.
These are sociopaths, and we never know where they live. They could be our neighbors, our sons and daughters, our parents, or even ourselves! AAAAAGH!!! I wanna get out of my skin and run!!
Imagine… if he had poisoned her successfully and killed her that way, this murderer could still be on the streets and have gone on to kill more and more people. It’s really horrifying that this innocent girl was subjected to such cruelty.
@@potato6785 Sadly, I’ve been an avid crime documentary watcher, and actually, depending on the poison murder victims can go years or even decades without getting an actually accurate autopsy report… many have had to get dug up again just to test a new theory. And some, well, we’re cremated and never got the right statement.
@@potato6785 Overall, it’s more likely than one would expect it to be, for someone to get away with murder through the method of poisoning their victims. Even if it’s ‘only’ for a year or under a decade. It’s still a long… long…. Loooong time.
When a guy you are dating smears your name, play your friends against you and treats you like he hates you never ever give him another chance no matter your age because trust me, his feelings and respect for you is not there. It's obvious Joshua hated her because he couldn't control her.
Exactly.First disrespect,even small,'m out.i never give second chances.i'm way more important to myself than any guy.Not in narcissistic way ,healthy love for yourself, which lots of girls lack.
She does lack self confidence, if she were to have more self confidence and self esteem she would've ignored him all along. These are things teenagers need to be trained to have.
Just by looking at that picture where he was covering her head with a jacket or something, shows he was sick. You do not ever play like that. Plus he looked serious in that photo. The fact that this boy played with her and kept giving her wrong directions and misleading her, shows he was a psychopath. He got a kick out of toying with this poor girl. He truly is a psychopath and I hope he gets what he deserves.
Girls should also be worried about being around or dating that other josh as he offered to buy Josh breakfast and wanted to know every detail of the murder. Those boys are sick and both should never be allowed to see the day of light. May this poor girls soul rest at peace. May God help her family through this difficult time
@@expandhealthinc.1887 completely agree with you and when my daughter’s were growing up my daddy and me both raised the girls that anyone can abuse And no one has that right to be abusers. But im not sure what made you say that.
@@Baychimo I said that because most often than not, the documentaries on domestic violence are about male perpetrators and female victims, therefore, most commentary and main messaging is directed towards women/girls "need to be careful". Meanwhile, the statistics on male sexual abuse by women is outrageously high given the predominant image and info we are given. Many men who are abused or have been abused also need to be validated and any boy or man watching these videos and reading the comments also deserve to be SEEN and warned. Quite simply, letting people know it is all sexes that need to be careful doesn't hurt anyone, only helps. Perhaps when we make statements we can not to genderize and just refer to "people" need to be careful. Then we don't have to spend time on this kind of back and forth and everyone is informed and receiving the same message of warning. That's why I brought it up.
They’re not just teenage boys making a joke. The ignorance about cultures of domestic violence and school bullying is astonishing. It’s sad that Rebecca’s mother didn’t put a stop to it earlier even if that meant moving away. We don’t realise how unsafe and serious teenagers’ peer situations can be.
I am always astounded at how some people find it always so easy to say someone should simply have moved away. Moving is never easy, in some cases it is extremely difficult and in many cases it is even impossible.
This is the comment I was looking for (the first part, I would've moved or had her change schools but not everyone can do that)! His friends encouraged his abusive and obsessive behavior. They didn't find it unacceptable - culturally.
I'm meeting more and more of these narcissistic young people. The prevailing thought these days is instilling them with self confidence, but their unfounded level of narcissism is just off putting.
social media, ssri's handed out like candy, first person shooters, trash reality tv, neglectful parents, overpopulation, all kinds of emf and hormones in the water altering our brains etc, it ain't a good combination
The fact that he was supposedly close with her family and all really makes it somehow worse…like he is so demented and sadistic that he delighted in hurting as many people as possible after gaining their trust. True demonic behavior.
They don't form any real attachments but it can give people confidence when the boyfriend also interacts with the family. People are all to quick to project their own goodness and kindness onto others. And it can come at a very high cost.
What blows me away is the justice system! One story I saw where a brother killed his father for the years and years of sexual abuse against himself and two sisters got 1500 yrs in jail 😳 but this premeditated murder for no reason at all gets 14 years?? Go figure
I had a friend who dated this young man and he was very kind but it was clear he was troubled he wound up killing his father after a lifetime of abuse and he will never see the light of day for more than an hour a day.
it's a kid bro, he was only 15yo when he did it, can't forget about that. i don't think we should punish kids/teenagers as hard as adult, or wouldn't you agree with that? idk but for me, at minimum 14yrs in prison seems fine. pretty harsh, but also definitely deserved
@@mrloqqe1610 murder is murder no matter your age ! They know right from wrong. Unless your been sexually abused, domestic violence or home invasion you have no hope convincing anyone! Here in Australia if someone breaks in to your home and breaks a leg or hurts themselves they can sue you!! The laws are different from country to country but murder is murder !!
@@braydanjames21 i'm not saying he should be free. all i'm saying is, that an reevaluation after 14yrs seems appropiate, considering his age at the time of the act.
You ask if anything could have been done? His friends who knew about his threats of killing her. They should have come forward before to speak up. They are all guilty
Her mother knew how he treated her. He even threatened Becca's little sister with a knife and their mother knew. And what did she do?? Let her meet him!
@@erickamejia7315 lol whats usa is scarier. big country, big population and many famous well know serial killer. and the day to day news dont make it look better. sorry, but usa will not be the first place id like to move to
I'm the same age as Rebecca when she died, this just makes me sick. The friends were just as responsible, in my opinion. They are all monsters who probably testified to save their own hides.
I'm don't like how they start off painting him as great when they know he had all these horrible traits. You really don't need to add drama to something like this. He's a psychopath and a murder.
@@ryansfortnitevlogs9355 you can see signs in children and teens, but because its not realiable at taht age, you legally cant label people under the age of 18 as psychopatsm and thats a fact, so stop arguing
He killed because he wanted her dead, it was not an accident or heat of the moment or similar. He planned, calculated the murder which means he spent a lot of time thinking about murdering her. He showed no remorse and just got angry when things doesn't goes to plan, his only regrets might be trusting his friends and didn't cover his tracks well enough. When he finally gets out of prison he's gonna do his best to make sure he doesn't get caught, this time he has experience and had learned from his mistakes. ((I don't know what they do in prison to expect a murderer to turn into a lamb and release back into society, beside locking them up))
I often wonder if my child was murder how hard it would be to have a documentary on the murder. Bringing up all those horrible memories and forever having my child link to the murderer, the only reason I would do it is to hopefully save someone life. Hoping someone would recognize the signs and stop another murder. So I say with the utmost respect and love thank you for letting your story be told.
The only thing more despicable than him is the miscarriage of justice to that girl and her family!! We really need a serious review of the current sentencing guidelines for serious crimes 😭
Have you even read them? I don't think so...... he's underage on top of mental problems that had a factor in his sentencing not shown on the documentary but I guess the blind follow the blind
@@cameron3991 underage means nothing to me and many when it comes to this kind of calculated crime. and if he, or anyone, kills because of mental problems - all the more reason they should be removed from society. if they cannot function within the boundaries of acceptable and harmless conduct, they have no place among us who adhere to the rules.
I seriously think, especially with sociopaths and psychopaths, BECAUSE they are incurable, that they take it as a free pass to do really horrific crimes when they're younger because they know, due to their age and the laws, being as they are, that they WON'T get long sentences and NEVER get the death penalty, so they have no consequences to fear. So they're going to do what they're going to do. Because the ONLY person they care about getting hurt is themselves. The entire legal system needs to let that sink in if they really are serious about protecting the rest of us. And whether it's because they were born this way or raised in bad conditions REALLY doesn't matter to the victim. It's hard to have sympathy when you're getting your head crushed by a big rock.
i saw this comment before they showed a picture of him and thought you were just being ridiculous about a doorag or bandana....Nope. It's literally a bath robe around his head, and he wore it constantly.
This is why I taught my daughter early on that if you break up with somebody and then they want to come back it’s already too late. She learned this when her and her best friend stopped being friends, then she started being friends with her again and then the so called friend screwed her over. It was nice when she kicked her to the curb and said I should have listened to you mom, never again. Lol
@@CK-J16 That's it. Not all break ups are equal. Sometimes you just need time off from each other. But I'd say, if you get divorced from marriage it's a different thing. Getting divorced is more than just breaking up if you go through with it due to the toll it takes. At that point, there's really no good reason to get married again with the same person.
@@MrTwotimess Not in all cases as I know quite a few people who dated in middle school and high school, had whirlwind on again off again relationships, broke up for X amount of months or even years but are now married 10, 20 or more years, my aunt and uncle started dating at 13, broke up at 15, reunited at 20 and have been married over 33 years. Not all breakups mean the end forever, especially when talking about teen relationships, however I do think it's important for people, especially teens to learn when a relationship is toxic and a breakup is neccessary with no going back. The boy in this case was obviously bad for her, playing head games, turning people against her etc but unfortunately like stated in the video, Rebecca was too young and inexperienced to realize how dangerous he was. Fortunately cases like this are somewhat rare, they are not the norm, but still sadly happen.
@@dealloc Lots of people successfully remarry someone they've divorced. Making blanket statements about "never get back together" doesn't always apply. Depends on the reason for the split. If the other person was an abuser then I agree, never go back with that
As a society, we _really_ need to teach our young people about all manner (physical, sexual, emotional, psychological & financial) of abusive relationships (focusing on family, friends, romantic partners, coworkers, & acquaintances). Too many (young & adult alike) are never given the tools to recognize abuse for what it is, so they end up justifying/excusing it, or are intimidated & unaware of what options are available to them for help. It's one of the most important life lessons, & not having that knowledge can put a person's (physical, sexual, emotional, psychological & financial) health/wellbeing at risk. My heart _breaks_ for those who suffer & struggle as a result.
I agree completely. I know from experience, when a young girl is in a relationship with someone who is super controlling, she is not always as open about it as she should be. The fear of being forbidden to see the person and making her parent(s) have a lesser opinion of that person are definitely a reason not to speak out. Having an open relationship with ones parents and parents having good, nurturing relationships themselves as examples of what to strive for is still often times not enough. They are really just "kids", but when they think they are in love, they will put up with too much. Even knowing that is not the way they should be getting treated. It's sad.
Yeah if Michelle Carter got charged and had to do jail time for encouraging her bf to get back in the truck and just do it, even tho he messaged her prior times before commiting suicide why did this guy not get charged? If he was told several times I want to kill her, i' m going to kill her e.t.c.. and he keeps on ya well hurry up , shut up or do it mentality both cases could be looked at that it was encouraged with texts.
I remember hearing about this. I was so shocked! It happened just around the corner from my dads home. It’s just so crazy that a teenager is capable of such horrific things
"You can't be diagnosed with narcissism until you're the age of 18" But you can determine a 4 year old has ADHD cos they cant sit in a chair for hours at a time makes sense
I think the use of the word " Narcissist " is overstated. Everyone with a phone , on social media. Is narcissistic. They constantly film and take pictures of themselves and report their waking seconds. Looking for validation from others .
well if you read a little bit about phsychology and why you cant diagnose children and young teens, you may want to delete and forget you made this stupid ignorant comment. lol arent people who usually enjoy watching crime stories have interest in pshycology? or did you aciddently ended up here?
Stop calling men like this alpha males. Its a serious misunderstanding of how wolf packs work. First of all, in a healthy wolf pack, there is the alpha male AND the alpha female & they guide, not rule, the pack together, & the word alpha is really from the Greek alphabet & doesn't mean tough, mean, etc. And if any wolf acted the way human men who call themselves alphas act, they would be exiled from the pack & forced to live alone.
Yep the dominant male wolves actually follow the pack to make sure nothing comes from the back while the dominant female leads the group it's pretty cool to watch.
Nicholas am also an.Animal Proffessional & often pount out that NO other mammalian species act like ours . We are a very dangerous self opinionated & blind one
I am sorry that she endured such a horrific crime . She was so young and her whole life taken away from her . RIP Rebecca. Joshua to me was a narcissist and murdered her for power and control of a helpless beautiful girl .
He didn’t just “snap”. He took narcissism to the final extent in any relationship. Such a sad story- the close relationship Rebecca had with her mom … she must be just devastated
You can definitely tell how much her best friend cared for her so sad the whole thing smh , parents shouldn't have to worry about their child being killed
@@DaveWraptastic No, that actually *is* justice. Jail is just a keeping people out of society, justice has very little to do with it. Just as sometimes crimes are barbaric, so sometimes justice should be.
That type of personality trait doesn't have remorse. So, confessing to the murder of Rebecca definitely was calculated. I had a son-in-law that manipulated, threatened, abused, lied, controlled, stalked and has a low self esteem but surrounds himself with people who he can control. His family are totally on his 'team' and cannot see the damage he causes and believes all his lies. I fear that Rebecca's murderer will weasel his way out of jail ready to inflict his toxic self onto other unsuspecting people.
Man, I was an angry, angsty teen and there were times when I certainly wanted people in my life dead, but I never told anybody for fear that they would think I was serious. The more that I watch these true crime shows the more I realize no one would've thought anything of it. There's so much I could've gotten off my chest if only I'd just been able to trust somebody. I know that's not the point of this episode, but it was something that occurred to me whilst watching it.
I hope Becca’s mom has forgiven herself. She had no idea that she was on her way to her death. She is a good mom. She raised an intelligent, responsible and caring young lady.
14 years for killing his gf!? Wtf,is wrong is,the justice systems need start putting these killers away.shouldn't matter how old the perp is! They kill,now spend rest their miserable lives in prison.
@@namenl2205 Slavery has always been and exists today. In white, arabic, middle eastern, soviet, islands, cities and provinces and Countries. So it's myopic to believe that Afro Americans were the only slaves that ever were. Plus, today, afro Americans have the very same opportunities as every other color individual in the United States. I.e. Oprah Winfrey, Steve Harvey, etc etc etc. Attorneys, Judges, County Commissioners, Small Business owners...Should I go on?
What a pity Rebecca did not get involved romantically with her best friend, Irving Smith. He seems to be such a kind and loving person, who cared for her a great deal.
@@rainbows5232 I was looking at the the 14 year minimum sentence. Hopefully he is still in prison. In the USA minors can be charged and sentenced as adults in cases like this.
So true. I tell my daughter her and a person break up that’s it. There’s nothing left to say or pick up. Allow yourself to feel the pain of the break up and no matter how much they want to get back with that person let it go. Especially after ol boy did her the way he did.
A beautiful young woman. Gone too soon. This deserves the death penalty. Why should we pay to house this obvious murderer. She deserved to live her life as an attorney 🌹
The fact that his plan to kill her was so detailed those 'friends' should have said something to an adult. I am tired of hearing that they thought the threats were all jokes...that's madness.
Yes, you are right. The fact that he did something so horrible at such a young age, makes your prediction even more probable. HE broke up with her. He wasn't some lovesick kid who lost control. He waitied months before contacting her again and killed her in a very premeditative way. This psycho will kill again.
He crossed the line at 15 years old with murder.! He should never be released.!!!. He is a very sick individual and in my opinion the communities will be at risk after his release.!!!!!
Wow, he emotionally abused and broke up with her so he could watch her be sad and want him. And because she moved on with her life and realized she could be better without him, he killed her. He's disgusting. I hope he rots in jail. “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”
Well that little dirty joker, he knew how much her mom and siblings loved and adored Becca, he spent so much time with her family…..HE KNEW yet did not care , that’s just horrible.smh…I’m so sorry to Rebeccas family
Schools desperately need to provide life skills and practical education on relationships of all types. Perhaps it would prepare young people to avoid the pitfalls of becoming so emotionally attached, at such a young age! I’m sorry for this family’s loss of Becca🧡🙏, and for Josh’s family. 🧡🙏 May his incarceration have included psychological therapy!
That may help with some things, but if you have a lousy life at home, like I did, problems can be pretty serious. It is a good idea, tho, and could help some kids a lot. If I understand it correctly, a narcissist, altho they act like a "know it all," is really very insecure inside. So Josh acted tough and in charge, but inside he probably had no self esteem. But it may have helped Becca realize that she was being treated very badly and the relationship was not worth it.
And, schools should teach financial courses to prepare young adults to budget, fill out tax forms, learn basic info about loans, % rates,insurance, etc.
No, the parents should be educated and take control. Her mother supportied her what came to Joshua Davies. There was nothing the school could have done. Her mother could have
This is a really well done story, very sympathetic to the victim. I like how in depth they went into the offender’s psychology, as well. I hope to see more of this show.
I’m so sick and tired of hearing “life sentence” only to be followed by “minimum 14 years”. 14 years is less than his age going in, certainly not a typical life span. He will kill another girl/woman if you let him out. His kind psychology will not change. Not ever. RIP 💔💗💗💔Rebecca
If not for the murder this kid could have been a successful CEO or even a high rankibg6 politician. He has the right personality for either job. If he gets released I won't be surprised to see him back in the headlines for another murder.
What got me was the fact that she went shopping for a new outfit for her meeting with him, in hopes of rekindling their relationship. Poor baby girl. Omg.
So glad I was schooled at home!! Also, they never answer one of the questions they start with, “was he born this way, or was this the cause of his environment”.
I never quite understood why teens are so obsessed with dating and romance. Just keep your heads in the books and do well in school. Everything else will come naturally later in life. There's no rush.
They will grow to become worst. These laws that treat murderers as children should be reviewed. Anyone who commits pre-meditated murder is not a child. A child will be chilled by the thought of planning a murder. They should be heavily punished.
What a horrible justice system. I've watched many crime shows and can't believe how little time they give to murderers, especially young ones. They can kill whoever they want, serve a couple of years and then go on with their lives like nothing happened.
My goes out to Becka's family and friends, as well as the unassuming yet tragically ignorant parents of Joshua. How incredibly heartbreaking for both families. May her beautiful soul rest in peace!
Happy he got more years then originally planned. Kid or not, murder stays the same. His friend also deserves to rot in jail. Hope Rebecca gets the justice she deserves
It’s insane that murderers are released period and to make it worse, after 14 years?! People get life over drug charges. I will never understand some people...
How many people do you know got life from drug charges? I hear the same crap over and over from people like you. Unless you're a big kingpin trafficker or 3 strike felon, you're not getting life. I knew someone who did 10 years. Caught with multiple firearms and $70k worth of narcotics. Far from a life sentence. Please tell me how many cases you know are lifers for drug charges. I'll wait.
Update he is still in jail . Judge denied his request for parole after 14 years
this is the best part of the story, the worst part is that he only had 14 years and the possibility of parole
this is the best part of the story, the worst part is that he only had 14 years and the possibility of parole
Such a danger too society, monsters needs too be put away forever.
Thank you! As an American I think we are overly harsh on young offenders sometimes, but I am also horrified at the minimal punishments sometimes handed down in the UK. This person is a continuing danger.
I hope he never gets out. He needs to rot in prison for the rest of his sorry existence. Waste of breath and space.
What bothers me the most about this young man is the fact that so many kids looked up to him and admired him. That is truly scary.
That's how it is with sociopaths. They have a very superficial charm that makes certain people want to follow them
He’s probably got women writing him in jail,
Bundy charm.
Yes indeed it is worrying. I wonder if it’s possible to teach the kids how to recognize it before they learn a hard way ..
that fact was probably sensationalized for the story. yeah he had a couple of friends, but even the guy interviewed labled as "rebecca's friend" said he didn't like him. plus he was letting her paint his nails as a junior in high school? probably just a loud mouth dweeb
14 years for murder is the most shocking thing about this case. So he will be released at 30 when he is very young and able to kill more with no remorse? Come on justice system.
That part!! And he will have time to think about how to kill more 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️😫😫😫
I just saw the sentence WOW just starting to watch it!! 💔
14 year sentence doesn't mean he does 14 years in prison, he could be out in 8 years on parole , staying at a half way house
Yes he will be a man...capable of killing a woman with his bare hands.
you obviously havent followed many UK system cases, small sentences are the name of the game
The way this dude treats her. And we encourage this behaviour by saying “oh well that just means he likes you” when a girl brings up that a boy is picking on her. It makes us believe that being abused is a sign of love
Wow. I had never put that together. So sad 😞
@southern discomfort ...
@southern discomfort You are sick.
@southern discomfort no just you
Kids this young have no business dating period.. it’s insane to me that 15 year olds are involved in such serious s$@t to begin with .. like I’m sorry any child of mine is not dating until they are 17,18 years old they don’t like the rules they can go live somewhere else ..
Telling my husband about this case right now. The part where she went out and bought a whole new outfit to meet up with the boy she "loved" has me nearly in tears. I just foray that we can teach our daughter the signs of abuse before she is of dating age.
Be tough and don't give IN to her whining , EVEN BETTER MAKE HER WATCH THIS VERY STORY 🤔🙏
Once a narcissist realizes they can’t control you-the smear campaign begins. In their eyes-you are the enemy.
Poor girl and her loved ones. Rest In Peace Rebecca...so sad...
THIS! I had an ex boyfriend who was physically, verbally and mentally abusive. Once we broke up he had the gall to get a restraining order against me just so he could look like the “good guy” and try to make me look as crazy as possible when I came back for my belongings and when he refused it made me cry little did I know he was filming me the whole time to show other people out of context. I did feel crazy after I got away but that’s because the manipulation was wearing off and I could finally see the truth. The smear campaign is still going strong years later and I feel like I literally have to PROVE my sanity around people who he knows
I was married to one!! They are pure undiluted evil
My first thought too…he sounds like a typical weak narcissist. I was married to one and when you know you know…
@@storm88. Thank you.. at this point I don’t even think they are humans. They are soulless entities!!!
Yeah had one of those in my life at 19. My first serious grownup relationship, after 3 years I had enough but he wouldn't let go. He ran a pretty nasty smear campaign against me, he once drove 6 hours to meet up with a group I worked with as a student only to try and make life miserable for me. He told everyone I was still with him all the while telling people nasty lies about me . Twenty years later shortly after my husband's death he found me and contacted me. I was so disgusted, he knew where I lived and sent me messages to meet up, he was married with a kid by then. I told him I wasn't interested in seeing him and felt sorry for his wife. He would tell me what car I was driving etc. My husband and I were expats for 10 years, I only moved back after my husband's death and to a totally different town. It was really creepy and I felt very vulnerable living on my own not trusting him, he truly messed with me when we were a couple, I hated him. I went from a confident person to depressed and anxious because of him back when we were together, it took some time to gain confidence. Mentioning his wife everytime he contacted me helped, he backed off. I eventually sold my house and moved away and remarried, the only thing I learned from him was how to mistrust men.
His reason he finally confessed was so he could be paroled, if you don’t admit your crime you usually don’t ever get released.
Correct Milady : it's a cold calculated confession to be eligible for parole !
This is not related to this situation at all, but this is also why alot of innocent people confess to things they didn't do. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And how horrible is it that you have to feel like you have to confess (falsely a lot of the time) in order to have any hope. I’m speaking for the people who have been wrongfully convicted over false confessions, I wish they would change the system so this NEVER happens again to anyone (I am well aware this guy is guilty thanks)
Yes, I thought the same. He's the worst
Exactly!!!
This to me is far too premeditated for someone not to take his threats seriously! I’m so sorry for this poor soul, bless her ❤️😢
I agree with you
Right, totally agree.
@David Gilbert wth?
howdy 🤠 😉 💋
I believe that his parents fed into his narcissistic tendencies by not ever holding him accountable for his own actions. This gave him the confidence to believe that he could get away with, literally, murder.
So So true
100%
kind of like the kid that killed tristyn bailey.
No
Many boys are raised that way. This is how he considered breakfast more important than her life.
“It is still unsure why he killed her“ he simply did it because he could🤷♀️
that’s the sick thing
“ The adorable YT blond boy “ syndrome. Yt people are so violent eyy 💅🏽💅🏽💅🏽 its like nothing changed since slavery lol 😆 🤷🏽♀️
No more like: "if I can't have it, no one can." Typical narcissist.
Laughs in even african villages waging genocidal wars against each other, degenerate.
@@namenl2205 Look in the mirror, you're the racist.
@@namenl2205 broken record syndrome right here
It's disgusting that he only got 14 years in prison for a planned murder, a history of threats, etc. And his friends that testified are no hero's. They egged him on. You don't "joke" about buying someone breakfast for killing someone.
I agree. They're as sick as he is, if not all, some of them are.
He got life not 14 years. Eligible for parole after 14 years which was denied btw.
@@Olga1983 I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison!!
They should’ve been charged too..
@@kendrabajuelo9869 Charged with what? They didn't commit any crimes, they didn't participate in orchestrating the murder. The school should expel these friends for their behavior though.
This boy deserves to stay locked up he’s going to come out worst than he went in
it makes me wonder how dangerous dating is, we really just be dating people we don’t know.
Makes me terrified for my daughters and relieved I’ve been happily married for 30 plus years 💜💜
@@teamcougars bless your marriage, and as a daughter who has been heartbroken, please don censor them, teach them about those things and self-love!!
yeah it’s better to get something arranged through your parents
@@Sovnarkom No way dude
@@Sovnarkom not at all, its the same thing.
I just saw a show on Joshua Jenkins, who at 15, murdered his whole family in California. He was sentenced to over 100 years in prison with no parole. Fourteen years is a joke. That poor girl.
EXACTLY. Us Americans have a lot of issues but at least we TRY to do justice for murdered children.
how are his friends not charged with accessory to murder?
What a shame! Sometimes the most likable and charming people are the most evil, trust me I know many that will tell you how awesome you are and then turn around and go out of their way to harm you in any way they can. People are evil!
Because they told on him! That’s how it happens in the US. At least when I’ve seen it here they end up doing a little time
It's called dark humour, and it's not a crime. I remember making jokes far more sinister than that for shock value in school.
There was nothing to suggest that their involvement in the trash talking was anything more than innocuous banter. I doubt they would have ever imagined this actually occurring for real.
Once you realize that this crime occurred in Wales, part of Great Britain, you’d understand that their laws are not the same as the US. British prison terms are much shorter than the States.
They weren’t serious when they said they’d buy him breakfast if he actually killed her. They were also only 15.
When people show you who they are, believe them!
Nobody ever knows anybody else.....you are born alone, you live alone, you die alone. Eveything else is just an illusion.
My favorite quote 💜
@@thomasjensen6243 existential
- Oprah
I just heard a minimum 14 years. He better take his last breath in jail. Everyone who said anything bad about him would be in danger if he walked the streets again. I can't believe the injustice of even giving him a chance at parole.
he doesn’t deserve it… he’s even allowed to play ps3 in jail!!!! redic
@@kelcieox that is ridiculous!! I hate that prisoners have so many luxuries, it's supposed to be punishment!
Someone posted a update further up. He was Denied parole.
When I was 15 yrs old... Nobody knew the magnitude of abuse I was experiencing. Everyone would have said the same about my background, "coming from a good family and having a good life" . But, no-one knows what's really going on in a 15yrs olds life!
Gosh I keep seeing comments like rhese just young people leading very hard lives and it's heartbreaking I hope you are okay now I really do that you're safe and happy because you deserve nothing less.
Are you gonna cry?
Absolutely 💯
take care Mate!
No one wants a kid to experience a terrible childhood. Having a difficult childhood doesn't give anyone the right to take a life..if a child is being abused they need to be taught to speak up, tell someone until u get help..If you don't u cld end up just like this guy. Rmb you deserve so much better than abuse in a place that is suppose to be your safe zone..Tell someone until you get the relief and help you need..
My boyfriend in highschool acted this way towards me. He was my first love & I was head over heels for him which made him abuse that power he had over me & manipulate me. Started verbally & then physically. He turned everyone against me. When he hurt me & I got help, he threatened me till I gave in. Nobody should have to go through that at such a young age. I stayed 4 years till I finally left. Watching this episode made me really think back on how he was towards me. I wouldn’t say I have PTSD by any means but this made me feel some type of way. It made my skin crawl. I was once Becca. May she Rest In Peace.
I’m sorry, nobody deserves that. I hope you got better as well.
You should investigate what drew you to him because if you do not...you will continue to attracte guys like him to you
These are sociopaths, and we never know where they live. They could be our neighbors, our sons and daughters, our parents, or even ourselves! AAAAAGH!!! I wanna get out of my skin and run!!
I believe they are not too difficult to spot.
Be aware of how people make your gut feel! Follow your instincts and listen to YOUR gut feeling❣️
@@nelsonx5326 They aren't 👌🌞
Not all sociopaths are bad...js...
You sound like one
Yes, my sister got murdered and he is out at 30 years old. Such a shame. Life is not fair and never will be fair.
So sorry.
Not fair. I'm really sorry 😢
🥺 my heart goes out to you
I am so sorry. Did you know him before he stole her life? Does he live near you now? What a tragedy. Hope you and your family find comfort.
All murderer deserves death sentences... in the most horrible way possible
Imagine… if he had poisoned her successfully and killed her that way, this murderer could still be on the streets and have gone on to kill more and more people. It’s really horrifying that this innocent girl was subjected to such cruelty.
I doubt that; if she’d died from a stomach ache, they’re going to do a toxicology report for the autopsy - which would have found the poison.
@@potato6785 Sadly, I’ve been an avid crime documentary watcher, and actually, depending on the poison murder victims can go years or even decades without getting an actually accurate autopsy report… many have had to get dug up again just to test a new theory. And some, well, we’re cremated and never got the right statement.
@@potato6785 Overall, it’s more likely than one would expect it to be, for someone to get away with murder through the method of poisoning their victims. Even if it’s ‘only’ for a year or under a decade. It’s still a long… long…. Loooong time.
When a guy you are dating smears your name, play your friends against you and treats you like he hates you never ever give him another chance no matter your age because trust me, his feelings and respect for you is not there. It's obvious Joshua hated her because he couldn't control her.
Exactly.First disrespect,even small,'m out.i never give second chances.i'm way more important to myself than any guy.Not in narcissistic way ,healthy love for yourself, which lots of girls lack.
Also cut those friends off because what kind of friends are these
She does lack self confidence, if she were to have more self confidence and self esteem she would've ignored him all along. These are things teenagers need to be trained to have.
You couldnt control her
@@learningenglishthroughtran8540 yea but she could’ve avoided the situation given more self confidence
Just by looking at that picture where he was covering her head with a jacket or something, shows he was sick. You do not ever play like that. Plus he looked serious in that photo. The fact that this boy played with her and kept giving her wrong directions and misleading her, shows he was a psychopath. He got a kick out of toying with this poor girl. He truly is a psychopath and I hope he gets what he deserves.
I was thinking the same thing
@@brendaechols5929 Well, he did not get what he deserves.
@@xy4489 Hopefully somebody will deal out what he deserves to him. He should have a similar end to hers.
Girls should also be worried about being around or dating that other josh as he offered to buy Josh breakfast and wanted to know every detail of the murder. Those boys are sick and both should never be allowed to see the day of light. May this poor girls soul rest at peace. May God help her family through this difficult time
Women can be Narcissist abusers too!! Not just men. We must teach that abusers can come in any gender, race or economic background.
@@expandhealthinc.1887 completely agree with you and when my daughter’s were growing up my daddy and me both raised the girls that anyone can abuse And no one has that right to be abusers. But im not sure what made you say that.
@@expandhealthinc.1887 totally agree w you
@@expandhealthinc.1887 Nobody said they can't. The original comment was about the two persons named Josh, not about men in general.
@@Baychimo I said that because most often than not, the documentaries on domestic violence are about male perpetrators and female victims, therefore, most commentary and main messaging is directed towards women/girls "need to be careful". Meanwhile, the statistics on male sexual abuse by women is outrageously high given the predominant image and info we are given.
Many men who are abused or have been abused also need to be validated and any boy or man watching these videos and reading the comments also deserve to be SEEN and warned.
Quite simply, letting people know it is all sexes that need to be careful doesn't hurt anyone, only helps.
Perhaps when we make statements we can not to genderize and just refer to "people" need to be careful. Then we don't have to spend time on this kind of back and forth and everyone is informed and receiving the same message of warning.
That's why I brought it up.
They’re not just teenage boys making a joke. The ignorance about cultures of domestic violence and school bullying is astonishing. It’s sad that Rebecca’s mother didn’t put a stop to it earlier even if that meant moving away. We don’t realise how unsafe and serious teenagers’ peer situations can be.
I am always astounded at how some people find it always so easy to say someone should simply have moved away. Moving is never easy, in some cases it is extremely difficult and in many cases it is even impossible.
MOST humans on earth don’t have the means to move sadly. As easy as it sounds, most in developed countries live paycheck to paycheck. Not easy.
This is the comment I was looking for (the first part, I would've moved or had her change schools but not everyone can do that)! His friends encouraged his abusive and obsessive behavior. They didn't find it unacceptable - culturally.
@@birgittabirgersdatter8082 Where was her dad?
The mother didn’t reproduce by herself. Where’s the dad he should’ve put a stop to it.
It blows my mind that there are SO many kids that commit murder, there's a series! 🤯 Makes me sick 🤢
I'm meeting more and more of these narcissistic young people. The prevailing thought these days is instilling them with self confidence, but their unfounded level of narcissism is just off putting.
@@goodasgoing
IMO, Social Media has done much to create a generation of narcissistic people. It’s actually frightening to behold.
“ The adorable YT blond boy “ syndrome. Yt people are so violent eyy 💅🏽💅🏽💅🏽 its like nothing changed since slavery lol 😆 🤷🏽♀️
@@EYE_GOTCHA No, not at all. There have always been horrible people, it's only since social media that we get a lot more information so it seems more.
social media, ssri's handed out like candy, first person shooters, trash reality tv, neglectful parents, overpopulation, all kinds of emf and hormones in the water altering our brains etc, it ain't a good combination
The fact that he was supposedly close with her family and all really makes it somehow worse…like he is so demented and sadistic that he delighted in hurting as many people as possible after gaining their trust. True demonic behavior.
They don't form any real attachments but it can give people confidence when the boyfriend also interacts with the family. People are all to quick to project their own goodness and kindness onto others. And it can come at a very high cost.
What blows me away is the justice system! One story I saw where a brother killed his father for the years and years of sexual abuse against himself and two sisters got 1500 yrs in jail 😳 but this premeditated murder for no reason at all gets 14 years?? Go figure
I had a friend who dated this young man and he was very kind but it was clear he was troubled he wound up killing his father after a lifetime of abuse and he will never see the light of day for more than an hour a day.
That just seems so wrong.
it's a kid bro, he was only 15yo when he did it, can't forget about that. i don't think we should punish kids/teenagers as hard as adult, or wouldn't you agree with that? idk but for me, at minimum 14yrs in prison seems fine. pretty harsh, but also definitely deserved
@@mrloqqe1610 murder is murder no matter your age ! They know right from wrong. Unless your been sexually abused, domestic violence or home invasion you have no hope convincing anyone! Here in Australia if someone breaks in to your home and breaks a leg or hurts themselves they can sue you!! The laws are different from country to country but murder is murder !!
@@braydanjames21 i'm not saying he should be free. all i'm saying is, that an reevaluation after 14yrs seems appropiate, considering his age at the time of the act.
You ask if anything could have been done?
His friends who knew about his threats of killing her. They should have come forward before to speak up. They are all guilty
Thank God we’re in the USA
@@erickamejia7315Really!!! USA is the global seat of murder of young people.
@@erickamejia7315 USA is even worse 🤷♀️
Her mother knew how he treated her. He even threatened Becca's little sister with a knife and their mother knew. And what did she do?? Let her meet him!
@@erickamejia7315 lol whats usa is scarier. big country, big population and many famous well know serial killer. and the day to day news dont make it look better. sorry, but usa will not be the first place id like to move to
I'm the same age as Rebecca when she died, this just makes me sick. The friends were just as responsible, in my opinion. They are all monsters who probably testified to save their own hides.
“ The adorable YT blond boy “ syndrome. Yt people are so violent eyy 💅🏽💅🏽💅🏽 its like nothing changed since slavery lol 😆 🤷🏽♀️
@@namenl2205 you shouldn’t stereotype people. That’s like saying all black people do drugs and drop out of school.
They are not "just as responsible" as her murderer. They have a level of culpability, which is hardly the same thing.
Agreed, they clearly had some sort of sadistic tendencies as well.
@@namenl2205 F outta here racist
I'm don't like how they start off painting him as great when they know he had all these horrible traits. You really don't need to add drama to something like this. He's a psychopath and a murder.
That’s because sociopaths are the ultimate deceivers. They come off as normal, even charming. I have real life experience with this, unfortunately.
It ought to be mentioned because it teaches people how easily we can overlook dangerous individuals. Then in the blink of an eye it's too late.
you cant diagnose a 15 year old, and not all killers are psychopaths
@@rainbows5232 yes you can diagnose a 15 year old
@@ryansfortnitevlogs9355 you can see signs in children and teens, but because its not realiable at taht age, you legally cant label people under the age of 18 as psychopatsm and thats a fact, so stop arguing
He killed because he wanted her dead, it was not an accident or heat of the moment or similar.
He planned, calculated the murder which means he spent a lot of time thinking about murdering her.
He showed no remorse and just got angry when things doesn't goes to plan, his only regrets might be trusting his friends and didn't cover his tracks well enough.
When he finally gets out of prison he's gonna do his best to make sure he doesn't get caught, this time he has experience and had learned from his mistakes.
((I don't know what they do in prison to expect a murderer to turn into a lamb and release back into society, beside locking them up))
I often wonder if my child was murder how hard it would be to have a documentary on the murder. Bringing up all those horrible memories and forever having my child link to the murderer, the only reason I would do it is to hopefully save someone life. Hoping someone would recognize the signs and stop another murder. So I say with the utmost respect and love thank you for letting your story be told.
The only thing more despicable than him is the miscarriage of justice to that girl and her family!! We really need a serious review of the current sentencing guidelines for serious crimes 😭
Have you even read them? I don't think so...... he's underage on top of mental problems that had a factor in his sentencing not shown on the documentary but I guess the blind follow the blind
@@cameron3991 underage means nothing to me and many when it comes to this kind of calculated crime. and if he, or anyone, kills because of mental problems - all the more reason they should be removed from society. if they cannot function within the boundaries of acceptable and harmless conduct, they have no place among us who adhere to the rules.
@@fielaseanderkind7119 very well stated...agree 👍
I seriously think, especially with sociopaths and psychopaths, BECAUSE they are incurable, that they take it as a free pass to do really horrific crimes when they're younger because they know, due to their age and the laws, being as they are, that they WON'T get long sentences and NEVER get the death penalty, so they have no consequences to fear.
So they're going to do what they're going to do. Because the ONLY person they care about getting hurt is themselves. The entire legal system needs to let that sink in if they really are serious about protecting the rest of us.
And whether it's because they were born this way or raised in bad conditions REALLY doesn't matter to the victim. It's hard to have sympathy when you're getting your head crushed by a big rock.
I so agree
Never trust anyone who wears a bath robe tie around their head.
😀
🤣
Yes! 😂👍
Truer word have never been spoken
i saw this comment before they showed a picture of him and thought you were just being ridiculous about a doorag or bandana....Nope. It's literally a bath robe around his head, and he wore it constantly.
This is why I taught my daughter early on that if you break up with somebody and then they want to come back it’s already too late. She learned this when her and her best friend stopped being friends, then she started being friends with her again and then the so called friend screwed her over. It was nice when she kicked her to the curb and said I should have listened to you mom, never again. Lol
@@CK-J16 That's it. Not all break ups are equal. Sometimes you just need time off from each other. But I'd say, if you get divorced from marriage it's a different thing. Getting divorced is more than just breaking up if you go through with it due to the toll it takes. At that point, there's really no good reason to get married again with the same person.
@I Love God Amen ugh, you again ?
Remember, there was a reason you broke up with them. Keep them at a distance, no matter how much you miss them. Nostalgia isn't love.
@@MrTwotimess Not in all cases as I know quite a few people who dated in middle school and high school, had whirlwind on again off again relationships, broke up for X amount of months or even years but are now married 10, 20 or more years, my aunt and uncle started dating at 13, broke up at 15, reunited at 20 and have been married over 33 years. Not all breakups mean the end forever, especially when talking about teen relationships, however I do think it's important for people, especially teens to learn when a relationship is toxic and a breakup is neccessary with no going back. The boy in this case was obviously bad for her, playing head games, turning people against her etc but unfortunately like stated in the video, Rebecca was too young and inexperienced to realize how dangerous he was. Fortunately cases like this are somewhat rare, they are not the norm, but still sadly happen.
@@dealloc Lots of people successfully remarry someone they've divorced. Making blanket statements about "never get back together" doesn't always apply. Depends on the reason for the split. If the other person was an abuser then I agree, never go back with that
It's so much sadder when you know the victim would have had such a wonderful life.
What kind of young men let their friend talk that way and not alert someone... This is absolutely unbelievable!!
They encouraged him completely and offered to buy breakfast if he did it. Sick fucks
That was the scariest part of this story. They were encouraging each other
As a society, we _really_ need to teach our young people about all manner (physical, sexual, emotional, psychological & financial) of abusive relationships (focusing on family, friends, romantic partners, coworkers, & acquaintances). Too many (young & adult alike) are never given the tools to recognize abuse for what it is, so they end up justifying/excusing it, or are intimidated & unaware of what options are available to them for help.
It's one of the most important life lessons, & not having that knowledge can put a person's (physical, sexual, emotional, psychological & financial) health/wellbeing at risk. My heart _breaks_ for those who suffer & struggle as a result.
So very true! You hit the nail on the head!!
I agree completely. I know from experience, when a young girl is in a relationship with someone who is super controlling, she is not always as open about it as she should be. The fear of being forbidden to see the person and making her parent(s) have a lesser opinion of that person are definitely a reason not to speak out. Having an open relationship with ones parents and parents having good, nurturing relationships themselves as examples of what to strive for is still often times not enough. They are really just "kids", but when they think they are in love, they will put up with too much. Even knowing that is not the way they should be getting treated. It's sad.
Good idea, but I think it will never happen.
Testify.
Quite true, though being raised in a greenhouse environment I cannot understand how abuse works as I don't witness it.
The friend that offered to buy him breakfast deserves to be in prison as an accessory to murder.
You have got to be kidding. Add more stupidity to an already awful story.
EXACTLY because at some point he believed he was gonna do it but just didn't care.
Yeah if Michelle Carter got charged and had to do jail time for encouraging her bf to get back in the truck and just do it, even tho he messaged her prior times before commiting suicide why did this guy not get charged? If he was told several times I want to kill her, i' m going to kill her e.t.c.. and he keeps on ya well hurry up , shut up or do it mentality both cases could be looked at that it was encouraged with texts.
you're telling me he'll be released in 2 years?? what kind of " justice system"
Thats the UK for you. A duck drive killed my sister and 2 nephews and got 38 years.
The system is broken!
In Denmark you would get about 12-15 years, for bombing and killing 10 people.
Same in Canada. Three years for premeditated murder. Sick system, sick judges.
Finland 2-4 y
I remember hearing about this. I was so shocked! It happened just around the corner from my dads home. It’s just so crazy that a teenager is capable of such horrific things
"You can't be diagnosed with narcissism until you're the age of 18" But you can determine a 4 year old has ADHD cos they cant sit in a chair for hours at a time makes sense
Yesssss!!! You make an excellent point!!!
I think the use of the word " Narcissist " is overstated. Everyone with a phone , on social media. Is narcissistic. They constantly film and take pictures of themselves and report their waking seconds. Looking for validation from others .
@@topsysrevenge good point.
well if you read a little bit about phsychology and why you cant diagnose children and young teens, you may want to delete and forget you made this stupid ignorant comment. lol arent people who usually enjoy watching crime stories have interest in pshycology? or did you aciddently ended up here?
@@rainbows5232 Did any of your mothers children actually live?
Stop calling men like this alpha males. Its a serious misunderstanding of how wolf packs work. First of all, in a healthy wolf pack, there is the alpha male AND the alpha female & they guide, not rule, the pack together, & the word alpha is really from the Greek alphabet & doesn't mean tough, mean, etc. And if any wolf acted the way human men who call themselves alphas act, they would be exiled from the pack & forced to live alone.
Alpha wolf theory has been proven not real
Yep the dominant male wolves actually follow the pack to make sure nothing comes from the back while the dominant female leads the group it's pretty cool to watch.
Thank you, so sick of hearing that "Alpha Man" crap for cowards who are just bullies and spoiled brats who can't accept rejection!
Interesting.
Nicholas am also an.Animal Proffessional & often pount out that NO other mammalian species act like ours . We are a very dangerous self opinionated & blind one
This is a prime example for teens and young men and women alike. Do not get into a relationship with idiots. If you see the first red flag, just RUN!
Solid advice if you are 12 or 45.
@@theresekatie4841 solid advice for everyone
A 25-minute documentary stretched to 45 minutes by repeating that same stuff over and over.
Ikr
I noticed it also.
Netflix would turn it into 3 episodes.
1.5 speed the video
Oh you’re such a great person
I am sorry that she endured such a horrific crime . She was so young and her whole life taken away from her . RIP Rebecca. Joshua to me was a narcissist and murdered her for power and control of a helpless beautiful girl .
People who are charged with repeat DWI get 14 years in jail or more. It’s a slap in the face to her parents! RIP poor girl!
If that happened to my child. I would be at the prison gate the day he got out, I’d take the prison sentence to get justice for my child.
He didn’t just “snap”. He took narcissism to the final extent in any relationship. Such a sad story- the close relationship Rebecca had with her mom … she must be just devastated
Parents should discourage relationship at that early age. At 15 years you barley know who you are.
True
You can definitely tell how much her best friend cared for her so sad the whole thing smh , parents shouldn't have to worry about their child being killed
Those text messages are horrific! They should all never be in society again! Poor Rebecca!!!! My days!
He only confessed to try and get his sentence reduced, that doesn't mean it'll work. And, just because he's eligible doesn't mean he'll get paroled.
Saturday and here I am, chillin, watchin forensics 😎
Lol same 🙌🏾
Sunday morning on this side lol but for sure with the forensics binge watching even though I probably just need Jesus 🤣🤣
While pigging out on peanut butter chocolate chip cookies ✌️❣️
Saaaame
Same, but with a little 🌳 and a blanket
Justice would be allowing the girls father to have 5 minutes alone with the kid free of legal consequence
That's all I would need if someone harmed my daughter. I could likely finish him in 4 mins.
@@Del-Canada gonna need a min to clean up
that's exactly the opposite of justice, that's medieval barbarism.
@@DaveWraptastic I see your point, but shouldn't the punishment fit the crime as well?
@@DaveWraptastic No, that actually *is* justice. Jail is just a keeping people out of society, justice has very little to do with it. Just as sometimes crimes are barbaric, so sometimes justice should be.
He didn't do it simply to win that bet! He was always going to do it He was just seeking approval from his friends.
That type of personality trait doesn't have remorse. So, confessing to the murder of Rebecca definitely was calculated.
I had a son-in-law that manipulated, threatened, abused, lied, controlled, stalked and has a low self esteem but surrounds himself with people who he can control. His family are totally on his 'team' and cannot see the damage he causes and believes all his lies.
I fear that Rebecca's murderer will weasel his way out of jail ready to inflict his toxic self onto other unsuspecting people.
His friends are just as sick especially the one texting about breakfast
He'll be free to do it again real soon Y'all. Careful out there!!!
How was he so popular when he wore that dumb tie on his head all the time? Lol
This poor girl would be the same age as my son, had she lived. That just hurts my heart for her and her family.
Man, I was an angry, angsty teen and there were times when I certainly wanted people in my life dead, but I never told anybody for fear that they would think I was serious. The more that I watch these true crime shows the more I realize no one would've thought anything of it. There's so much I could've gotten off my chest if only I'd just been able to trust somebody. I know that's not the point of this episode, but it was something that occurred to me whilst watching it.
I hope you're okay now
@@ryanbiz8397 I'm not but thank you for your concern.
I hope Becca’s mom has forgiven herself. She had no idea that she was on her way to her death. She is a good mom. She raised an intelligent, responsible and caring young lady.
Never allow him to go back to society. He will kill again.
You cannot convince me that the parents did not see these characteristics in their son.
“ The adorable YT blond boy “ syndrome. Yt people are so violent eyy 💅🏽💅🏽💅🏽 its like nothing changed since slavery lol 😆 🤷🏽♀️
he was charming, sociable and likeable. why would they worry?
@@rainbows5232 He wasn’t likeable, he was feared. His peers chose not to anger him to avoid becoming a target.
@@aaliyah9090 he was likeable
@@rainbows5232 Didn’t sound like it.
14 years for killing his gf!? Wtf,is wrong is,the justice systems need start putting these killers away.shouldn't matter how old the perp is!
They kill,now spend rest their miserable lives in prison.
He got a life sentence, with a 14 year minimum before parole can be considered by the government. Hopefully the government will not apply for it.
@@janetpendlebury6808 And if he does get out, they'll give him a new identity. None of this should happen in a civilised, just society.
@@ceruleanc505 Not everyone gets a new identity when released.
“ The adorable YT blond boy “ syndrome. Yt people are so violent eyy 💅🏽💅🏽💅🏽 its like nothing changed since slavery lol 😆 🤷🏽♀️
@@namenl2205 Slavery has always been and exists today. In white, arabic, middle eastern, soviet, islands, cities and provinces and Countries. So it's myopic to believe that Afro Americans were the only slaves that ever were. Plus, today, afro Americans have the very same opportunities as every other color individual in the United States. I.e. Oprah Winfrey, Steve Harvey, etc etc etc. Attorneys, Judges, County Commissioners, Small Business owners...Should I go on?
What a pity Rebecca did not get involved romantically with her best friend, Irving Smith. He seems to be such a kind and loving person, who cared for her a great deal.
Most of the time it's that way .
Nice try Irwing.
@@akshaybhagwat8841 No! I am not Irving, LOL
Agreed!!!
I didn’t realize Britain had such light sentences for serious crimes😢
Life in UK is equal to max 25 years 😭
He was q juvenile, that's why the minimum was set to 14 years. And that harsh comparing many other European countries.
he got life sentence and his parole was denied. what light sentence exactly? its no uncommon to get parol, many countries give it
@@rainbows5232 I was looking at the the 14 year minimum sentence. Hopefully he is still in prison. In the USA minors can be charged and sentenced as adults in cases like this.
I was on the receiving end of a narcissist, it was NOT fun. You have to cut all ties once and for all
Did he hoover you?
The friend who wanted too buy him breakfast deserves atleast 10 years!
Guys joke. They had nothing to do with this psycho killing his girlfriend.
That kid after what he had done to her with the break up and threatening her .. I'd never have allowed her to go meet him
So true. I tell my daughter her and a person break up that’s it. There’s nothing left to say or pick up. Allow yourself to feel the pain of the break up and no matter how much they want to get back with that person let it go. Especially after ol boy did her the way he did.
Right, her mother should have been strict! She would probably still be alive. Poor little girl 😢💖
@@evoluna3056 he would’ve found another way to murder her
A beautiful young woman. Gone too soon. This deserves the death penalty. Why should we pay to house this obvious murderer. She deserved to live her life as an attorney 🌹
You are cruel and savage murderous evil person. Revenge is not justice.
The fact that his plan to kill her was so detailed those 'friends' should have said something to an adult. I am tired of hearing that they thought the threats were all jokes...that's madness.
Because of his age you 'cannot diagnose' NPD?! OF COURSE HE HAD IT!!
Because of his age, you don't expect him to be a murderer either, but he is....
He'll be out when he's 29. Still relatively young. He'll kill again, and will master next the art of how to hide the body and leave no trace. Scary.
Yes, you are right. The fact that he did something so horrible at such a young age, makes your prediction even more probable. HE broke up with her. He wasn't some lovesick kid who lost control. He waitied months before contacting her again and killed her in a very premeditative way. This psycho will kill again.
Just imagine how much stuff he learned from other murderers in prison 🤬 I'm scared of this kids...
He COULD be out. He probably won't, though. The people making that decision know whom they have before them.
He crossed the line at 15 years old with murder.! He should never be released.!!!. He is a very sick individual and in my opinion the communities will be at risk after his release.!!!!!
Thanks!
Imagine being that cocky and looking like a troll 😂
Wow, he emotionally abused and broke up with her so he could watch her be sad and want him. And because she moved on with her life and realized she could be better without him, he killed her. He's disgusting. I hope he rots in jail.
“Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”
Well that little dirty joker, he knew how much her mom and siblings loved and adored Becca, he spent so much time with her family…..HE KNEW yet did not care , that’s just horrible.smh…I’m so sorry to Rebeccas family
Her family knew what he was and still loved him. That's twisted
Schools desperately need to provide life skills and practical education on relationships of all types. Perhaps it would prepare young people to avoid the pitfalls of becoming so emotionally attached, at such a young age! I’m sorry for this family’s loss of Becca🧡🙏, and for Josh’s family. 🧡🙏
May his incarceration have included psychological therapy!
Testify
That may help with some things, but if you have a lousy life at home, like I did, problems can be pretty serious. It is a good idea, tho, and could help some kids a lot. If I understand it correctly, a narcissist, altho they act like a "know it all," is really very insecure inside. So Josh acted tough and in charge, but inside he probably had no self esteem. But it may have helped Becca realize that she was being treated very badly and the relationship was not worth it.
And, schools should teach financial courses to prepare young adults to budget, fill out tax forms, learn basic info about loans, % rates,insurance, etc.
They provide classes about having children. Pregnancy prevention. And so far. No one listens!
No, the parents should be educated and take control. Her mother supportied her what came to Joshua Davies. There was nothing the school could have done. Her mother could have
This is a really well done story, very sympathetic to the victim. I like how in depth they went into the offender’s psychology, as well. I hope to see more of this show.
You know, instead of harming someone else you can also just break up with them, if you think they treat you poorly just leave it's that simple.
So sad. RIP Rebecca. Her best friend is such a sweetheart! She was so beautiful. Josh is an evil monster.
I’m so sick and tired of hearing “life sentence” only to be followed by “minimum 14 years”. 14 years is less than his age going in, certainly not a typical life span. He will kill another girl/woman if you let him out. His kind psychology will not change. Not ever. RIP 💔💗💗💔Rebecca
Probably yes. On the other hand, murder has a very low recidivism rate.
An eye for an eye..if he took her life he should at least spend his whole life in prison if death penalty is not possible..
If not for the murder this kid could have been a successful CEO or even a high rankibg6 politician. He has the right personality for either job. If he gets released I won't be surprised to see him back in the headlines for another murder.
Most CEO and politician are narcissistic and or psychopathic!
What got me was the fact that she went shopping for a new outfit for her meeting with him, in hopes of rekindling their relationship. Poor baby girl. Omg.
So glad I was schooled at home!! Also, they never answer one of the questions they start with, “was he born this way, or was this the cause of his environment”.
I never quite understood why teens are so obsessed with dating and romance. Just keep your heads in the books and do well in school. Everything else will come naturally later in life. There's no rush.
It's their hormones I think
I’m a teen and I can’t even tell you why💀
I wish I could have dated when I was a teenager. I am 27 now and still have never dated anyone.
All his friends were cheering him on smh sad
How do you even call it “life” with a straight face if the minimum is only 14 years?
They will grow to become worst. These laws that treat murderers as children should be reviewed. Anyone who commits pre-meditated murder is not a child. A child will be chilled by the thought of planning a murder. They should be heavily punished.
What a horrible justice system. I've watched many crime shows and can't believe how little time they give to murderers, especially young ones. They can kill whoever they want, serve a couple of years and then go on with their lives like nothing happened.
My goes out to Becka's family and friends, as well as the unassuming yet tragically ignorant parents of Joshua. How incredibly heartbreaking for both families. May her beautiful soul rest in peace!
Your **heart** ??? Think you missed that word there.. but I agree with you. Poor girl & her family ):
Well, her mother played a big part in this tragedy. So wouldn't blame just his parents
@@principecaprincipeca2243 her mother helped kill her???
@@principecaprincipeca2243 No she did not play a part. Just shut up if you are too stupid to make a sensible comment.
Ohh my god the way this Pyschologist is talking is so frustrating 🙄
Happy he got more years then originally planned. Kid or not, murder stays the same. His friend also deserves to rot in jail. Hope Rebecca gets the justice she deserves
The only reason he confessed was a bid to get parole or sentence reduction. This guy needs to stay behind the walls forever.
It’s insane that murderers are released period and to make it worse, after 14 years?! People get life over drug charges. I will never understand some people...
Sad🤷🏽♀️
How many people do you know got life from drug charges? I hear the same crap over and over from people like you. Unless you're a big kingpin trafficker or 3 strike felon, you're not getting life. I knew someone who did 10 years. Caught with multiple firearms and $70k worth of narcotics. Far from a life sentence.
Please tell me how many cases you know are lifers for drug charges. I'll wait.
@@DroneStrike1776 Saw it recently in a documentary, these things happen.