Just a guess. When they practiced for the duels in prequel star war films, they used 'swords' made by attaching a long pole to the Lightsaber handle. I imagine this is why the fight moves look similar, because the 'sword' would have center of mass further from the handle, just like the montante.
Funnily enough, the final saber fight in Episode I between Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Darth Maul actually had the footage slowed down in editing because it looked too fast and unrealistic.
wish more video games and movies would show how true two handed swords were used, instead of big slow clunky things make them smooth and elegant long archs like how they are actually used.
@@Nomans_Nomen tbf, a lot of the move sets in dark souls are fairly different to how the weapon would actually be used. With some weapons it can be argued that the moveset was made for fighting large creatures, like the Asylum demon in DS1.
Kim Emmerich Pretty sure it’s for building momentum for a really good swing, but has the side effect of area denial. No one wants to get close to the long sharp thing
@@wutulike7861 Technique is used for all points above, but I never spin the great sword around when i'm using it. I'm just assuming they can't grapple, or close like way in, and half-sword stab for the body, cause that is what i'd be doing if someone was swinging there sword around like that. If you run at someone like that, with you're sword vertical, you can block any incoming strike if there sword is waving around in circles super high like that. Only spinning strike I ever do is waving the sword above, and behind my head briefly into a good 'ole leg chop. I don't have nearly the level of training at this particular practice tho, so I don't really have an understanding of why or why they don't do certain things.
@@ethanmcqueen3548 having used a montante/greatsword multiple times I can tell you with utmost certainty that using longsword techniques douse not work, you can halfsword it ofcorse but thats about it, you especially can't grapple as you'd have to drop the sword entirely as the balance/weight of a montante is completely different form a longsword (montante's basically have the opposite balance of a rapier and heavy enough that practically no one can keep it in a guard position one handed) even holding a normal guard stance for any length of time tires you out completely so its best to keep the blade moving, secondly trying to statically block a montante with a vertical block with a longsword or even a montante is as difficult as statically blocking a longsword with a one handed arming sword so deflectional parry's are the way to go (p.s. just adding my observations to the discussion, not trying to correct you directly)
If you really want a surprise, look up some heavy flail forms. No matter how big or heavy a weapon is, there is a skillful way and an unskillful way to use it.
I could be totally wrong, but in this kind of situation with two-handed sword vs two-handed sword, shouldn't the players revert to longsword techniques instead of using twirly montante forms designed to ward off multiple smaller weapons?
I think they train like that because a big part of using the montante is momentum. Its incredibly easy to react to the montante if you were just striking from a longsword guard.
@Squuid Well, a person of considerable size and strength can still effectively use a montante like a longsword if need be. At 6'5 I have no trouble swinging my montante/spadone around like one would a longsword.
Mathematically speaking a direct perpendicular blow against most things doesn’t yield the best results but if you do want to you can pump up your chest and hold your arms out for the swagger points
Good work guys, you've got nice body control. This was enjoyable sparring. It would be nice seeing you sparring with real montanti (blunt of course). Bravi!
I've seen "experts" like Skallagrim make fun of this fighting style, and I have always disagreed with him. The fluidity and unpredictability of the strikes these two are throwing makes it very viable. It also feels good, it's like a dance you're having with your opponent. 🙂
ok display, i can imagine it is very difficult to fight someone with that sword if they have the same range, but thats exactly why the montante was seen less onthe battlefield, as they rather used 4m long pikes
Is there any thrusting action in montante/zweihander/spadone? I feel like a thrust would be way faster than a swing. (though a beat would be hard to recover from; probably resembling bayonet fighting) Or, because this is designed for countering pikes and the like, is that just a horrible idea?
All the montante things I've seen have thrusts worked in very often. Same with the german sources. I'm guessing they didnt just because getting hit with a thrusts hurts a lot more than a swing. I figured that our for myself with something as soft as a foam sword. The synthetic swords hurt enough that even after one day of practicing it we decided to hold off until we could get some hard chest protection. These were with one handed swords mind you. I don't even want to consider how much it sucks getting stabbed with a plastic montante.
If it's real sword, I guess there will be no double (during the first time)? Since s/he would (probably) be losing some of his/her fingers, hence unable to counterattack properly...
I would love to see a clash of true montante arts give me clashing of the whirly dhirly or give me death. If nothing else, it's good for show. Which is pretty much all this might be for anymore... Give me the mummer version.
Quite safe, fake swords, protective armoring, and most importantly good technique. It's still possible to get hurt, but that's the case with anything. Nothing more than a few bruises at worse I'd say
Old comment I know. But this is very risky tbh. I have the same montante trainer and that thing delivers blows like no other, I think a serious strike could knock a man down
Since the actual weight of the sword were 2.5-4 kg, and the spinning moves you see were actually for feinting and gaint torque and momentum, a single tap would give a major knockback
the sword is too small for that girl? but you are dumb or what, the sword have the size of the girl, if were bigger she cant handle properly, the swords is not related with the weight of the fighter but with the height, and with the length of the arms, this girl clearly have troubles to handle this sword cos she is very short, with a bigger sword she practically cant lift and she will strike the ground in every movement
Why must beekeepers fight?
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It is the way...
That comment stings a little bit but I’m not hurt cause I gotta bee suit.
This is literally my favourite TH-cam comment of all time.
Well done!
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2x speed for a lightsaber battle
Oh my god
Just a guess.
When they practiced for the duels in prequel star war films, they used 'swords' made by attaching a long pole to the Lightsaber handle.
I imagine this is why the fight moves look similar, because the 'sword' would have center of mass further from the handle, just like the montante.
Funnily enough, the final saber fight in Episode I between Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Darth Maul actually had the footage slowed down in editing because it looked too fast and unrealistic.
y e s .
Lol ty XD
wish more video games and movies would show how true two handed swords were used, instead of big slow clunky things make them smooth and elegant long archs like how they are actually used.
@@Nomans_Nomen tbf, a lot of the move sets in dark souls are fairly different to how the weapon would actually be used. With some weapons it can be argued that the moveset was made for fighting large creatures, like the Asylum demon in DS1.
Anyone know of a skyrim mod that will make great sword fighting style animation like this?
@@Lady_VivBeat Saber
@@O1OO1O1 a mod called beat Saber? Or did you miss understand somthing.
@@Lady_Viv try some mco animations like the chinese swordsman or (if lore-friendlyness isnt a problem) hollowslayer gs animations
4/10 no taunting or dad mask casuls
Lalramdina Varte not even point downs
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The twirly-whirly techniques they are using is also used for area denial
Wouldn't it be because greatswords are heavy and that is building momemtum?
Kim Emmerich Pretty sure it’s for building momentum for a really good swing, but has the side effect of area denial. No one wants to get close to the long sharp thing
@@wutulike7861 Technique is used for all points above, but I never spin the great sword around when i'm using it. I'm just assuming they can't grapple, or close like way in, and half-sword stab for the body, cause that is what i'd be doing if someone was swinging there sword around like that. If you run at someone like that, with you're sword vertical, you can block any incoming strike if there sword is waving around in circles super high like that. Only spinning strike I ever do is waving the sword above, and behind my head briefly into a good 'ole leg chop. I don't have nearly the level of training at this particular practice tho, so I don't really have an understanding of why or why they don't do certain things.
Realistic and pretty cool looking. This is what hollywood needs to start doing instead of their ridiculous twirling like ballerinas shit.
@@ethanmcqueen3548 having used a montante/greatsword multiple times I can tell you with utmost certainty that using longsword techniques douse not work, you can halfsword it ofcorse but thats about it, you especially can't grapple as you'd have to drop the sword entirely as the balance/weight of a montante is completely different form a longsword (montante's basically have the opposite balance of a rapier and heavy enough that practically no one can keep it in a guard position one handed) even holding a normal guard stance for any length of time tires you out completely so its best to keep the blade moving, secondly trying to statically block a montante with a vertical block with a longsword or even a montante is as difficult as statically blocking a longsword with a one handed arming sword so deflectional parry's are the way to go
(p.s. just adding my observations to the discussion, not trying to correct you directly)
How can such a devastatingly destructive weapon be so graceful and elegant in use?
If you really want a surprise, look up some heavy flail forms. No matter how big or heavy a weapon is, there is a skillful way and an unskillful way to use it.
Bem, aqui eles estão lutando por esporte, antigamente era para matar mesmo
They dont use Grass Crest Shield with the zweihander but still a good PvP casual killer build
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16th century
I could be totally wrong, but in this kind of situation with two-handed sword vs two-handed sword, shouldn't the players revert to longsword techniques instead of using twirly montante forms designed to ward off multiple smaller weapons?
Could also be said that they should instead close to grapple, using the weapon as an assault shield.
I think they train like that because a big part of using the montante is momentum. Its incredibly easy to react to the montante if you were just striking from a longsword guard.
Rule number 6 or Battle of the montantes. Google it.
@Squuid Well, a person of considerable size and strength can still effectively use a montante like a longsword if need be. At 6'5 I have no trouble swinging my montante/spadone around like one would a longsword.
Devil I know I can't at 5'9" 135lbs, I tried steel montante once and man I could not swing it where I wanted without getting pulled a big
Tbh the zweihander is underrated, it's a great sword for Christ's sake!
Is that any way for a landsknecht to speak! Shame on you!
ps. "Haha, the Zweihander is a _GREAT_ sword"
The Miao Dao is also underrated.
Wow, that lady is rediculously tiny when compared to that massive weapon. XD
Japan: guys wouldn't it be cool if we made a story about a land where people use huge swords?!
Germany: hah! That's just Tuesday in the Reikland!
Spain and Portugal:
:)
Never would have thought that such a giant weapon would have such balletic combat
No Epic R1 sideswing?
Mathematically speaking a direct perpendicular blow against most things doesn’t yield the best results but if you do want to you can pump up your chest and hold your arms out for the swagger points
Good work guys, you've got nice body control. This was enjoyable sparring. It would be nice seeing you sparring with real montanti (blunt of course). Bravi!
Where was this filmed? Architecture seems oddly familiar.
Great sparring as well, HEMA duels are so pleasing to look at.
Thrusts not allowed? According to the manuscripts, when used one on one, greatswords should be used as a spear.
Yeah, if youre trying to murder someone quickly, not have a fancy sparring match thats entertaining for viewers
You can see the guy winding up a lot of stabs without using it
Good on Maarten for doing his best to follow after his strikes with proper stepping. Makes a world of difference
1:29 was pretty cool with all those blocks
They didn't even block each other attacks xD.
They just kinda hit the air
@@ingesrum2566 i think that was the joke
@@aloyaltemplar1379 fair point
ca p I think he meant 1:34
The most graceful fight I have ever witnessed, [props!
The great sword was never intended to come up against it's self but seeing this is fun to watch non the less
2:16 gg nice
It pains me to see them hitting the ground
Warmonger vs warmonger
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I've seen "experts" like Skallagrim make fun of this fighting style, and I have always disagreed with him.
The fluidity and unpredictability of the strikes these two are throwing makes it very viable.
It also feels good, it's like a dance you're having with your opponent. 🙂
In our club, hitting the floor with a Montante means one round of beer (for the next time in a pub)
But nice sparring otherwise ;)
Beekeepers training to defend the hive from wasp's
Two Giant Dads fighting, needs more backstabbing.
Its all fun and Games untill some random Guy with a Real Zweihänder appears.
fake. One of them didn't throw their swords to the opposing duelist.
all I hear is "Minecraft skeleton noise*
They forgot to roll.
try to use it like a spear, it'll fasten the attacks and better the guard
Yeah but a swing a Zweihänder is the best option to get spears out of the way ...
ok display, i can imagine it is very difficult to fight someone with that sword if they have the same range, but thats exactly why the montante was seen less onthe battlefield, as they rather used 4m long pikes
Why all this slashing??? Just thrust it's a fucking polearm.
If you watch it on 2.0x speed looks like and an anime fight
I wonder how well Montante would translate to armored combat
The mistake is to fight sword against sword, the upright was made to destroy the lines of pikes and the pikemen
where can I buy one of these Montante?
I think they sell them on hemasupplies, but only steel versions. I want synthethic versions.
Dude just parry then follow up using a Chaos Dagger for a reposte
Where can I buy the swords?
Watching this makes me realise just how much heavier my swords are than others their size
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Is there any thrusting action in montante/zweihander/spadone? I feel like a thrust would be way faster than a swing. (though a beat would be hard to recover from; probably resembling bayonet fighting) Or, because this is designed for countering pikes and the like, is that just a horrible idea?
i think its also made to be used against rapiers and daggers.
All the montante things I've seen have thrusts worked in very often. Same with the german sources. I'm guessing they didnt just because getting hit with a thrusts hurts a lot more than a swing. I figured that our for myself with something as soft as a foam sword. The synthetic swords hurt enough that even after one day of practicing it we decided to hold off until we could get some hard chest protection. These were with one handed swords mind you. I don't even want to consider how much it sucks getting stabbed with a plastic montante.
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To slow for a human
Needs more Guts.
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beautiful
If it's real sword, I guess there will be no double (during the first time)? Since s/he would (probably) be losing some of his/her fingers, hence unable to counterattack properly...
Dang, the sword seems like it's taller than the girl
It likely is
These swords can easily exceed 6 feet
I don't think these swords were intended for duelling, they were swords of war.
imagine cloud looking like this while fighting in ff7 remake xD
I mean hes pretty fancy with it
@@oh-not-the-bees7872 that's what I mean xD
Unrealistic, not enough R1s being pressed
For who watch, take in mind greatsword users wore armor, that allow to take indirect hits and most of full hits
Out of the few sparring videos I've seen this one is my favorite. First one I saw
Those are not real swords
Correct. These are synthetic swords, designed to allow practice and (careful) sparring.
Would these be called bass cannonists or bass cannoneers?
No shinguards. 🤨🤔
If he dies. He dies
Exactly the battle i wished to see
Why no half swording?
I would like to see more half swording
why thou?
@@J-IFWBR because thats a important part in using a great sword for duelling
@@kermitpedo8009 but its no great sword i thought?
@@J-IFWBR no a montante is a type of greatsword, any sword that goes up to a adults shoulder or higher normally is a greatsword
Unless you want to kill someone
Lol puny mortals.
What montantes are you guys using?
Two Handed increased to 100
White schowa wina great incomming
nice technique.
Looks fun
Nice zeihander
nice
Canon bass power
I would love to see a clash of true montante arts give me clashing of the whirly dhirly or give me death. If nothing else, it's good for show. Which is pretty much all this might be for anymore... Give me the mummer version.
Twirling the weapon is essential to keeping the momentum. Also, this is still a practice spar, so they cannot go all-out.
What's the treatise you guys used for the techniques?
Spining simulator
GIMME
How safe is this?
Quite safe, fake swords, protective armoring, and most importantly good technique. It's still possible to get hurt, but that's the case with anything. Nothing more than a few bruises at worse I'd say
@@cuddles9952 Uhm, are you familiar with hema? Somehow I seem to derive from your comment you aren't.
Old comment I know. But this is very risky tbh. I have the same montante trainer and that thing delivers blows like no other, I think a serious strike could knock a man down
@@alastor1052 With the helmet?
@@jamie_d0g978 yes, the leverage is quite hefty on this thing, with a well powered cut to the head I think this could be quite a blow
Looks really nice!
Swinging, swinging, ¡Swinging!
Looks like fun!
Dark souls pvp irl
Sword longer and taller, advantage? You leave yourself wide open with big long fancy moves.
well, no.
Range is OP.
What's even the point of tap fighting?
Since the actual weight of the sword were 2.5-4 kg, and the spinning moves you see were actually for feinting and gaint torque and momentum, a single tap would give a major knockback
Swords are blunt now from smacking points into floor.
As opposed to sharp poly? lmao
It's not even metal
This sword is too small for a girl.
It must be increased to equalize the total weight of the person and equipment with the enemy.
Stop it with your fantasy ya heretic
the sword is too small for that girl? but you are dumb or what, the sword have the size of the girl, if were bigger she cant handle properly, the swords is not related with the weight of the fighter but with the height, and with the length of the arms, this girl clearly have troubles to handle this sword cos she is very short, with a bigger sword she practically cant lift and she will strike the ground in every movement
Actually big swords were used by giants. Not short humans
the zweihander is not that light, they did much like a longsword duel in the clip
Montantes got down to five pounds and stopped at seven. Especially considering the balance, these techniques are all viable.
Why are they wearing armor, the swords look plastic
That shit still hurts when you get hit fam.
A proper strike can still do some damage to a person. Doesn't need an edge to hurt
^ exactly
But isn’t that a little overboard, they look like deep sea divers
@@shoobill4553 nah, it's just enough
why did they not use the area behind the parry spikes for grip to change it up?
Looks like fun