Is Star Trek's United Earth a Dystopian Nightmare?

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  • @mesner5x
    @mesner5x ปีที่แล้ว +135

    I think the one thing that has made a united Earth difficult is a fear of the erosion of cultural and national identity. In Star trek it was a delicate balance between uniting nations of earth and maintaining a rich and culturally diverse population.

    • @definitlynotbenlente7671
      @definitlynotbenlente7671 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      National identity is just a archaic form of tribalism my group is better than your group
      And i believe we need to get rid of that but i am not arguing that everyone should think the same everyone should still have the freedom of religion and to exspress themselfs but nationalism is something i personally do not understand why it is so inportant to people we are all from earth and people are people no matter where you are and most diferences are not that big in the grant scheme of things why should someone born in a diferent geographical location be worth less or deserve less than someone down the street we all want happy lives and everyone deserves to have a life free of extreme violence war and starvation

    • @mesner5x
      @mesner5x ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@definitlynotbenlente7671 That is the point I was trying to make. People of the 21st century don’t all see everyone as the same. Cultural differences, geographical differences, Wealth, power, identity. All things that contribute to the mindset of division. There have to be aspects and niches of different cultures that would need to be sacrificed in order for a uniform Earth government to exist. In a world where people want more, more money, a higher status, more recourses, and where those things are scarce, it is very difficult for people to unite.

    • @definitlynotbenlente7671
      @definitlynotbenlente7671 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@mesner5x and i se no problem on sacrificing those cultural things if it means world peace

    • @purpledevilr7463
      @purpledevilr7463 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@definitlynotbenlente7671then you believe in genocide.

    • @definitlynotbenlente7671
      @definitlynotbenlente7671 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@purpledevilr7463 i never said anything about murderibg incicebt people

  • @Psyk60
    @Psyk60 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    I always figured United Earth was a federation of nations within the United Federation of Planets. Presumably with some of those nations being federations themselves. So many levels of federations!

    • @frodo4627
      @frodo4627 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      That's the beauty of democratic federalism! You can break it down at any level that is most effective for governance while still retaining some degree of sovereignty between layers.

    • @MastemaJack
      @MastemaJack ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It would be the only way I think the common people would accept a global government. They would have to be either a federation or a republic for representation. Republics and federations are fairly similar.

    • @RickReasonnz
      @RickReasonnz ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's federations all the way down!

    • @Vysair
      @Vysair 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      basically the EU but on the galactic scale

    • @NPCN-dd8hg
      @NPCN-dd8hg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That doesn't make sense. There is a Federation (united Federation of planet), that is Made of Federations (united earth), that have a confederation within (African confederation)? How can a confederation exist within a Federation?

  • @patecar20
    @patecar20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    One of the biggest factors not mentioned is the fact after warp drive became common there was a mass exodus of people. This is shown in the show all the time with lost colonys.
    The option to just leave is one many would take. This probably thinned out a lot of problematic groups. Thus making change a lot easier. The colonization of just the home system would greatly thin numbers.
    The power to just leave, and start over somewhere unsettled, is something we haven't had since colonization time.

    • @suzygirl1843
      @suzygirl1843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Firefly is a more accurate space future than Star Trek

    • @noblej7897
      @noblej7897 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yep sign me up to leave earth politics behind.

    • @RobinTheBot
      @RobinTheBot 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, well, that didn't do that in Europe ... It lead directly to WW1, actually.
      I don't think "get rid of people" has ever actually ended up a solution.

    • @SunnyDaysAOK
      @SunnyDaysAOK 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@suzygirl1843 Firefly's Earth did not have Vulcans to intervene. Earth was a mess when the Vulcan arrived, still suffering from the collapse of governments, environment, etc. Humans could not pull Earth back from the post-apocalyptic nightmare. The technology to repair the environment from radiation and other toxins, synthesize food, etc. came from the Vulcans.
      Firefly's humans carried the same mindset that doomed their Earth to their new worlds. The same worldview that is dooming our world: hate, greed, lust for power, etc.

    • @STSWB5SG1FAN
      @STSWB5SG1FAN 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@noblej7897 Unfortunately, our politics would come with us.

  • @tsgreene2
    @tsgreene2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +195

    How the hell has this channel not become huge yet, love your content

    • @Squidgit957
      @Squidgit957 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      If I had a guess it may have something to do with the TH-cam algorithm's tendency to suppress videos with swearing

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      needs more "all the way" jokes

    • @ZeddZul
      @ZeddZul 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Totally

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      TH-cam doesn't want me to get the truth out
      About what, you ask?
      My answer: "Yes"

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@OrangeRiver reading is too hard, can you make a short addressing this?

  • @brandonb1681
    @brandonb1681 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    My dad said that Dr. McCoy was a descendant of the original Hatfields and McCoys. As someone who is from that area, that is cool.

    • @vitovitale8325
      @vitovitale8325 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I believe I heard this also, I just don't remember where. 🙏🙂🖖V3

    • @SciHeartJourney
      @SciHeartJourney 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In This Side of Paradise, we get to see McCoy's southern drawl; all he needed was the Mint Julep to complete that picture. I'm not surprised he was one of those inbreds that couldn't let go of their hate.

    • @I_am_a_cat_
      @I_am_a_cat_ ปีที่แล้ว

      Dr. Mccoy is a fictional character.... they (the writers) can say his ancestors are literally anyone they want. What's cool about that? They could say he's a descendant of Hitler or Einstein, too. So what?

  • @ericbaysinger314
    @ericbaysinger314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    You consistently go into more depth than I expect and even more depth than I imagined possible. Thanks! (Seeing the clip of Avasarala made me wonder whether you'd do a video on some of sci fi's best fashions.)

  • @seandawson5899
    @seandawson5899 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    These videos are so much fun. My dad loves Star Trek, so you're giving me a lot to talk about with him.

  • @bjorn00000
    @bjorn00000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Regarding population change and world governments, a huge consideration here too is that beyond the loss of 30% of the world population during World War III and afterward ("Strange New Worlds") in major cities (First Contact), there was also a *massive* push for colonization and resettlement, especially in the 22nd century ("Up The Long Ladder"). This would probably put all of Earth in a similar position as certain European countries like Ireland, where famine and emigration in the 19th and 20th centuries resulted in a modern population that is about 3 million lower than its peak in the 1840s.
    This would likely have two different effects on Earth itself. First, it could reinforce some conservative, traditional perspectives especially for many of those that remained or moved back over time - Picard's father deciding to run an old family vineyard in France abandoned in WWII and Chekov being a proud Russian versus Picard's pioneering ancestors settling Mars (Generations), or radical "Neo-Transcendentalists" ("Up The Long Ladder") or supporters of genetic engineering ("The Masterpiece Society") leaving Earth to build new colonies in other star systems. (This might even be reflected in maintaining racial distinctions up to the 24th century, although I'd prefer to assume that racism isn't a byproduct of this type of sorting in the Star Trek universe.)
    Second, and most importantly, is that the losses in the 21st century and the subsequent "brain drain" of dynamic, technically skilled people in the 22nd century would leave Earth with far less labor capacity and human resources. (See the Martian Congressional Republic after the ring gates are discovered in The Expanse, for instance.) Considering this, it may just have been out of necessity that Earth governments streamlined and consolidated many of their functions into a centralized world government! The post-scarcity economy, technological advancements after First Contact, and dearth of labor overlapping with a pressing need to repair the planet after thousands of years of damage from human war and urbanization might even mean that their world government wouldn't even have the same structure or functions as nation-states have today. (What could tax policy in the Federation look like if you don't buy anything and don't have an income, for example?)
    In addition, note that the only times we've ever seen actual bustling "modern" cities in Star Trek in operation aside from San Francisco have really just been with London (Star Trek Into Darkness), Boston ("Rememberance"), and to a lesser extent Paris ("We'll Always Have Paris", "Rememberance"). Even with those representations though, they *still* don't feel dramatically more occupied than our versions of those cities. (The only exceptions are Paris from "Will You Take My Hand", which felt like someone dropped the Eiffel Tower onto Coruscant, and Okinawa/The Daystrom Institute in "Rememberance" with all of the weird floating structures.) And, because Chateau Picard still exists in the same form as it did centuries before, Raffi can camp out in a trailer near Vasquez Rocks, and Starfleet captains all seem to have cabins in the woods on Earth (Generations, "Crisis Point 2: Paradoxus", "Strange New Worlds"), the franchise also suggests that the countryside hasn't been radically urbanized to accommodate a growing population that is billions higher than the population today (save for Mohave as seen in matte painting in "The Cage"/"The Menagerie").
    Anyway, good video, and good work!

  • @chuPAULcabra
    @chuPAULcabra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Best trek content on TH-cam!

  • @ArchOfWinter
    @ArchOfWinter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I was perplexed when I was early in the fandom that there isn't a United Sol government made up by different planetary bodies with the hierarchy of what orbits which planet. But after understanding how early first contact was compared to colonization of Sol, it makes sense since the need for say Mars or other planets and moons to be independent is less necessary to an Expanse like scenario.

    • @jts1702a
      @jts1702a 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I believe at least in beta canon, humans comprise of at least 3 member seats in the UFP because UE, Mars, and Alpha Centauri are separate planetary governments.

    • @aoki6332
      @aoki6332 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jts1702a Luna, Mars, Earth and Alpha Century are all member worlds if im not wrong

    • @SunnyDaysAOK
      @SunnyDaysAOK 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The weird thing in Discovery's 32nd Century is how under populated the Sol system is.

    • @generalgrievous2202
      @generalgrievous2202 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jts1702alikely that in time the venusian colonies would earn a seat as well

  • @ClintSprayberry
    @ClintSprayberry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ahhh .... Man your videos are always so awesome dude! They feel like they are about 5 minutes long, always packed with interesting information and topics!

  • @OdariArt
    @OdariArt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Love this one! I'm writing a Sci-Fi graphic novel and in it, people on Mars, have their own language. At least 3 different dialects. Good thing that Star Trek has Universal Translation tech otherwise they would need protocol droids like in Star Wars.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Awesome!

    • @fusionsigh
      @fusionsigh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sounds extremely detailed and awesome

    • @suzygirl1843
      @suzygirl1843 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OrangeRiver That future will never happen under USA. Firefly is MORE accurate. Everyone will be speaking Chinese. China is a better trade partner than the West. We are here trying to Decolonize our mindsets from the Western mainstream. You're too narcissistic

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Suzy Girl Hm. Narcissistic. Nice ad hominem. You realize this is a video about United Earth in Star Trek, right? I'm going by what we see on screen. Comparisons to real life are for analysis purposes only.

    • @Cr4z3d
      @Cr4z3d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good luck to you, we need more fresh stories and ideas in sci-fi nowadays, someone to breathe fresh life into the genre, someone with a big imagination.

  • @joshuan3426
    @joshuan3426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This video - like mentioned in another comment - felt like a 5, 6 minute analysis. Time passes really fast when listening to your content. These days its my main distraction from our cynical f*** up world(order). Best escape from reality atm and really appreciated ;)

  • @_macrophage
    @_macrophage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    10/10. 5-Star analysis. Keep up the stellar work. Can't wait for the next video

  • @OrderofthePipe
    @OrderofthePipe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    I wonder if they’re still trying to vote for the Speaker of the House in the 22nd century. 🤔

    • @jimi1701a
      @jimi1701a 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Hahahaha excellent 🤣

    • @sethmaki1333
      @sethmaki1333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With how much of a shitshow mess the GOP has become, I wouldn't be surprised.

    • @BTScriviner
      @BTScriviner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Kevin McCarthy is just a head in a jar by then.

    • @Cornelius798
      @Cornelius798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @bipolarminddroppings
      @bipolarminddroppings 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Good joke lol.
      But Nah, the United Earth would have a Speaker like the UK, non-partisan and elected to represent the House, not the majority party.

  • @jamesabernethy7896
    @jamesabernethy7896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    I've said this before. I love how you analyse things from a very real perspective and not just take things at face value. It takes a keen and curious mind. You are very thought-provoking, funny and always fresh. Your videos are always great... but in saying that, any video can be improved by the presence of Samuel L. Jackson.

    • @47Str8
      @47Str8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Check out the big brain on James! ;)

    • @Captain.AmericaV1
      @Captain.AmericaV1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Or the voice of Morgan Freeman

    • @jamesabernethy7896
      @jamesabernethy7896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Captain.AmericaV1 Also yes

    • @Cr4z3d
      @Cr4z3d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hahah

  • @johnlangley6449
    @johnlangley6449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks so much for the channel it’s great to see such forward thinking man as your self

  • @colonelquack
    @colonelquack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This might seem obvious but. Thanks to your consistent intro, I know your name, Tyler.
    Always happy to listen to you.

  • @shawnleeguku
    @shawnleeguku 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I think it's possible that some corporate entity becomes the de-facto united Earth "government," while the existing governments still exist and function in-name. Basically the way the US government is almost entirely bought and owned by corporate donors, just on a global scale. Here's hoping for the Star Trek version though, as always it's the best we can hope for!

    • @shawnleeguku
      @shawnleeguku ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Netties Kid Probably won't happen in our lifetime but I think it's inevitable. I'm just not optimistic about what form it will take.

    • @cocobutter3175
      @cocobutter3175 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@Netties Kid I always thought a huge pandemic would necessitate the world working together to save humanity, and accelerate a United Earth. Well, we saw how that turned out.

    • @commandershepardmessiah3345
      @commandershepardmessiah3345 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@CoCo Butter I feel it is inevitable whether in the far future or not. I tell people be aware and maybe scared of what itll take to get there. it's gonna take so much death, destruction, collapse on an unthinkable level that everyone realizes there's no going back at all.

    • @heliosgnosis2744
      @heliosgnosis2744 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well next to being assimilated by the Borg that may work out anywhich way lol

    • @supercharas153
      @supercharas153 ปีที่แล้ว

      For once, I hope the Borg assimilated us to be united for once

  • @Ikaros473
    @Ikaros473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love the quality and time you put into your vids man. Your effort shows!

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Ikaros Thank you so much!

  • @ReapTheWhirlwind
    @ReapTheWhirlwind ปีที่แล้ว +10

    One of the more interesting aspects of Stargate SG-1, which is for me the most cynical realistic scenario for a lot of space show tropes, is the idea that intergalactic space travel can belong to a specific nation. The timeline for SG-1 is frozen at the cusp of worldwide exposure and I would be interested in a spinoff show that examines the era after the truth about the Stargates are exposed. The nations of Earth do know about them and for a time Russia had it's own Stargate but the public doesn't know and given how close Earth has come to being attacked and conquered I can't imagine public opinion being positive. A few episodes have shown the future, which appears to be one of cooperation and prosperity, but nothing beats seeing events unfold in real time.

  • @unm0vedm0ver
    @unm0vedm0ver 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Definitely one of my favorite channels. Great analysis!

  • @CrystalHickerson
    @CrystalHickerson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I absolutely LOVE your channel. That is all.

  • @TheMimiSard
    @TheMimiSard ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One thing about the home countries and states of various characters just makes me believe harder in the theory I once saw someone say, and have adopted as my headcanon, that the universal translator removes accents, or transposes them into what we hear.

  • @springtime1838
    @springtime1838 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    My fan theory is that UESPA and the other pre Federation Space Forces became different commands in the Federation Starfleet and probably didn't have a fully unified Fleet until the 2240s wich would explain some things

  • @lewisvincent3290
    @lewisvincent3290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just discovered you and getting trek lore along with your wit is great!

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you gotta watch the Trill episode, its amazing

  • @quantafreeze
    @quantafreeze 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great video! Great job!

  • @irfanyr
    @irfanyr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You have some of the best Star Trek content on TH-cam. Why is your channel this small? Surely the algorithm working against you.

  • @toddfraser3353
    @toddfraser3353 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    We want to be unified just as long as we get everything we want. If we can't get what we want then we try to become separate.

    • @thenerdfulspirit
      @thenerdfulspirit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is sort of referred to in Next Generation with people leaving Earth etc and establishing new colonies off world

    • @definitlynotbenlente7671
      @definitlynotbenlente7671 ปีที่แล้ว

      But it goes both ways you can not have a.. the benifits without any responsibility

  • @connorsamler3207
    @connorsamler3207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video! Well done

  • @jymfysher7704
    @jymfysher7704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I loved your PULP FICTION cut with the 6 timeless exploitives sure to survive as long as language does and possibility become a KLINGON favorite.Thanks for the the laugh Tyler!

  • @rpratt3746
    @rpratt3746 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for your research and efforts. Subscribed

  • @thegroovypatriot
    @thegroovypatriot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this video, thanks.

  • @sugartbube
    @sugartbube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i love that he included the Expanse

  • @BTScriviner
    @BTScriviner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another excellent analysis.👍

  • @beezelbuzzel
    @beezelbuzzel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just imagine Jules screaming at you to to cut the grass at 9:AM on Saturday morning while also screaming at you to enjoy the new episode of DS9 at 7:00 PM.

  • @haydennoble9253
    @haydennoble9253 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I felt the existential dread in that pause before “let’s find out”.

  • @Malkiore1
    @Malkiore1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this

  • @nitehawk86
    @nitehawk86 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Definitely was not expecting Mace Windu in this episode.

  • @disNARRATIVE
    @disNARRATIVE ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, great work

  • @snoopymcqueen8287
    @snoopymcqueen8287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Video on Trek, Orange River.

  • @jimp8400
    @jimp8400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank u for the hours of entertainment/knowledge u provide ….

  • @JoeOcchipinti
    @JoeOcchipinti 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As someone who teaches about geopolitics I have to say, very well done, your future history and analysis was sophisticated without being confusing.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much!

  • @kevinjohnson7553
    @kevinjohnson7553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As always, well done. Live long and prosper. 🖖

  • @johnhenry6797
    @johnhenry6797 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!

  • @juliussmith4001
    @juliussmith4001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonderful.

  • @lsporter88
    @lsporter88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Professionally done as always.😎👍🏾

  • @c1ph3rpunk
    @c1ph3rpunk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Is it too optimistic? If you asked me in my 20’s, I would have said no. Fast forward 3 decades, and having watched 2020, I’m now going to say yes. The concept of some event “bringing humanity together” seems far fetched now. First contact would likely only drive humans further apart, not bring us together. We’d end up with a faction that’s pro-alien and another that’s anti-alien with dozens of others between those two ends of the spectrum.
    I don’t even think global thermonuclear war would do it, we’d just go back to fighting with sticks and stones.

    • @exc911ence_channel
      @exc911ence_channel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Age and experience definitely have a way of stripping optimism... there's a famous quote that states "If you're not a liberal in your 20s, you have no heart. If you're still a liberal in your 30s, you have no brain.". True words.

    • @user-uc9fx4ru7p
      @user-uc9fx4ru7p 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Agreed sadly.

  • @stopinventing1013
    @stopinventing1013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As usual, great video.🖖🏽

  • @JaredLS10
    @JaredLS10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well done as always, I have been meaning to ask. Where did you get that Starships plaque hanging up behind you?

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Some family members found it at a flea market I think lol

  • @jfrish1
    @jfrish1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Tyler, Jim here. I am subscribed. You do a terrific job. Some of the best ST content I’ve seen (I am lifelong fan starting with TOS re-runs in the 1970’s). Keep up the great work!

  • @joeywall4657
    @joeywall4657 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Officially subscribed now!
    🤠

  • @SageShackelford
    @SageShackelford 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think they have varying success defending earth because they actually put very few defenses on and around earth.
    So it literally depends what ships are currently in spacedock and ready.

  • @gr8tbigtreehugger
    @gr8tbigtreehugger ปีที่แล้ว

    Many thanks for this insightful video! Really appreciate all the research you put into your videos, it really helps to contrast the sci-fi elements. Cheers!

  • @willowfalls7528
    @willowfalls7528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very sorry about that. I had watched so many of these videos that I thought I had subscribed. Didn't realize that I wasn't. Fixed that. Interesting video as always. My Star Trek Online character happens to be from Australia, (I just have a fancy for Australia), and I most always enjoy a chance to learn about the world he lives in.

  • @Raptorias
    @Raptorias 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OrangeRiver, I got an idea for you to cover. Alien biology of The Coneheads.

  • @turkeycannon161
    @turkeycannon161 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I don't think a united world government will happen at least not as long as people have a choice about it, even in the most optimistic of scenarios the drive for different groups to split off and do their own thing is too deeply ingrained into humanity, even in star trek there exist independent human colonies that are not part of the federation presumably for that very reason.

  • @Nitero_
    @Nitero_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    playing the New Horizons mod for Stellaris right now, this is hitting good since im early game pre-fed.

  • @cathyvickers9063
    @cathyvickers9063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One of my assumptions based on the Star Trek timeline is that the "superman" uprising in the Eugenics War of the 1990s prevented 9/11 from happening. Politics in the world would've changed depending on whether a region was ruled by benevolent or power hungry engineered people. (I even imagined an alternate Terran Empire rising out of prolonged, oppressive rule by the supermen, until finally overthrown by their hardened subjects!)
    Think about the lasting lessons from that period: a growing reluctance to allow any small group of "rulers" into power, again. An episode of DS9 (possibly the one where Sisko became the activist Bell) implied economic upheavals led to WWIII. Seen in light of post Eugenic Wars, this could have been an outcome of different factions vying for power, while trying to divorce their agendas from the memory of the Eugenics Wars.
    I think you did yourself a disservice by not factoring in the brief conquest of part of Earth by the genetic supermen, & the fight to overthrow them. All demographics in the 21st Century onward would've been different from our history. Some nations devastated & still trying to rebuild; some alliances badly fractured; global economy possibly similar to post Covid.
    I think this may have fueled a drive toward more widespread democratization. WWIII could then have possibly been a last gasp by dictatorships & similar authoritarians.

    • @applesandgrapesfordinner4626
      @applesandgrapesfordinner4626 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interestingly, a possible WW3 in our reality is also the result of consequences from authoritarian systems trying to cling to power.

  • @infadeldog13
    @infadeldog13 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Have always wondered this about the Star Trek universe. They don’t use money and whenever they show shots off Earth, everyone is dressed almost the same in grey or brown mono-tone generic outfits.

    • @floycewhite6991
      @floycewhite6991 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Everyone today is dressed in the same Walmart rags now. Art imitates life.

  • @TheRealSpiderMew
    @TheRealSpiderMew 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It feels like we are closer to becoming the future of Warhammer 40K.

    • @Freakingbean
      @Freakingbean 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The emperor protects!

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i kinda hope all the DMT i do acts like Dune spice

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah, hard pass.

  • @jordanbridges
    @jordanbridges 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like this content

  • @JohnDoeXYZ
    @JohnDoeXYZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you haven't already, you should do a video on synthehol. I hear there is a real-life version called Alcosynth.

  • @m.s.9744
    @m.s.9744 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Let's find out"? Let's Get Started!!

  • @stevenewman1393
    @stevenewman1393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    🖖😎👍Very nicely well done and very well informatively executed and well explained on this subject matter and topic indeed👌...

  • @myco2408
    @myco2408 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    man idk how i wasn’t already subbed but that’s been corrected.

  • @ScottyBanton
    @ScottyBanton 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow after all these years I never knew Laforge is from Mogadishu

  • @kadmii
    @kadmii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wouldn't be surprised if interest in a UEDF began after the Dominion War purely for system defense

  • @exc911ence_channel
    @exc911ence_channel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Earth won't ever be united until we have something, or someone, to unite against. As long as we're "alone" in the universe, we will remain tribal in nature. There's also the unfortunate ease at which humans with power become greedy and corrupted....

    • @cyberfrank-bx2nv
      @cyberfrank-bx2nv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      or a catastrophic event that proves the existence of a creator [2001]

  • @mokwella
    @mokwella 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I would like to hear your perspective on how rapidly the United Earth formed given that, in at least some parts of Earth, the Post Atomic Horror was still going on, complete with an authoritarian justice system in 2079.
    My head canon is that once the Post Atomic Horror arose, the Vulcans became anxious about the trajectory of a warp capable civilization descending into chaos and went "Captain Kirk" on things and and took a more active role in restoring and developing Earth's government. This might explain the later antipathy of humans to Vulcans in Enterprise.
    Of course, this all hinges around Gene Roddenberry's vision that a utopian Earth would only emerge once humanity had gone through many tribulations, a view that I see as becoming more stark over time. The vision of the trials seem to start with the short lived Eugenics War and then became more severe by the time Roddenberry wrote Encounter at Farpoint. I believe this tension around 23rd century utopia vs. 21st century dystopia is what has ultimately resulted with an accelerated timeline, where events like the SS Valiant reaching the galactic barrier in the 2060s are hard to reconcile - and that was of course established very early on.
    Anyway, that's a ramble! Bottom line, if you could give some of your own theories about this specific part of the history (assuming you haven't already covered it somewhere?) that would be great.

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      in Stellaris you are able to indoctrinate pre-warp people, i wondered if there was ever an open possibility there was some nudging

  • @the_kombinator
    @the_kombinator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh dear, flat earhers are gonna go nuts over that logo....

  • @springtime1838
    @springtime1838 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Not to say Discovery isn't canon or such but it's more than 900 years after Enterprise so it's possible that some changes have happened after the United Earth left the Federation of the 30th century

  • @drahcir8402
    @drahcir8402 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Picard was born in the UK. It's just the part of the UK he was born into, used to be known as France.

    • @angelcabeza6464
      @angelcabeza6464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So in France

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@angelcabeza6464 ya the French part of the UK, you know, France

  • @JordanElliottMcClure
    @JordanElliottMcClure 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m subscribed! ❤

  • @davidmorton8332
    @davidmorton8332 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The direction of travel since 1945 has been pretty one way. A World Bank, the IMF, the WTO, international climate law, an ICC, universal human rights declaration as well as an explosion of regional trading blocs and/or customs unions. We also have an ISS and a supranational space agency in ESA.

  • @NelsonReyesJr
    @NelsonReyesJr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Their are two reasons that Earth was able to unite and change Humanity forever; #1 was the development of replicator technology and #2 the dissolution of using monetary currency. Replicators removed the concept of need and leverage for need. The removal of money from society also removed and enhanced the need for biased political positions and stances.

  • @TheMasaoL
    @TheMasaoL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks

  • @billkemp9315
    @billkemp9315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great analysis, Thanks! I am curious about how Earth eliminated money or how it altered its financial system as stated in Star Trek? How does commerce occur without a monetary system? Perhaps you already have a video on this.

    • @tekoneiric
      @tekoneiric 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think the key difference between money as we use it and credit system used on Star Trek is that you can't do high finance and currency speculation with credits. It likely has a UBI for each citizen, an earning factor for performing work or actions that lead to a betterment of society. Credit based pay for work done is likely on a standard table based on the level of difficulty, skill, danger, and tenure in the position. A easy safe job being paid the least. It would be a better way to value occupations. With most people living in apartments and condos, there is likely a separate housing voucher system. Utilities are likely free but metered to control excessive usage. Of course health care is free. By the 24 century, replicators cover all the basic things like food, clothing, etc. Credits would only be spent on luxuries such as farmed food, going out to eat at privately owned restaurants, vehicles, etc. It's likely that interplanetary companies still operation on a currency system like gold pressed latinum. The Federation likely has a currency exchange for citizens going outside of the Federation. I think it would be amusing if the Federation scientists learned out to replicate gold pressed latinum or even have been able to for some time but they restrict it generally to prevent the political problems.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @tekoneiric This is a good analysis!

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Bill Kemp I do have a video on it, but it's so old it's probably unwatchable lol

    • @billkemp9315
      @billkemp9315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@OrangeRivertime for an updated version?

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Bill Kemp Maaaayyyybe. Not sure how soon, but an updated "Star Trek Economics" video could probably do some good on my channel. And an updated "Ancient Civ" too lol. I don't wanna start remaking my oldest videos JUST yet, but it's been on my mind ;)

  • @silverbackag9790
    @silverbackag9790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Unfortunately it looks like we are going the Terran model. You will eat ze bugs!

    • @Svevsky
      @Svevsky 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Less Terra, more Borg. Schwabism is very clearly an early form of Hivemind Collectivism

  • @SuperChicken666
    @SuperChicken666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's amazing how a script writer can have a random, spur of the moment, thought and scribble it into the script with little thought of plausibility or practical consequences and many years later thousands of people assume it must make sense and find ways to shoehorn it into a logical conclusion.

    • @goyonman9655
      @goyonman9655 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It wasn't "spur of the moment"
      Or with little thought

    • @floycewhite6991
      @floycewhite6991 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm not stepping into a "transporter." It kills you, then something that looks like you might or might not be properly assembled somewhere else. Sure, everybody else has no problem at all with me being killed and something that looks like me replacing me. And what's with "transporting" people against their will? Who to hell gave Star Fleet the power to just kill people and create replacement things?

  • @alexturlais8558
    @alexturlais8558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    In my opinion, the likeliest outcome in the real world is a global version of the EU, where nations retain their individuality and culture, but work together on common projects and common standards.

    • @suzygirl1843
      @suzygirl1843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nah, it'll remain pretty much the way it is now, some countries will be more advanced while others are kind of the same as today. Capitalism is a monopoly. You have to change it to complete the vision of Star Trek and close gap extremes

  • @eclat4641
    @eclat4641 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your videos

    • @eclat4641
      @eclat4641 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@subraxas 😂- who knows ☺️.
      I like the information and presentation.

  • @maxberner1886
    @maxberner1886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Parliamentry Republics also have Ministers and a President, for example Germany there the Presidant is largely Ceremonial and Serves as the the Figure Head of the Country while the different Ministers are Part of the Parliament and Government and organize different branches of the government. In the end the power still lies in the hand of the parliament

  • @jogumby
    @jogumby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very hard to imagine a unified earth will ever exist. One can hope though...

    • @SamuelBlack84
      @SamuelBlack84 ปีที่แล้ว

      Humanity will never grow up

  • @TheSleepyCraftsman
    @TheSleepyCraftsman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Remember, during the post atomic horror, you were guilty until proven innocent.

  • @adamofgrayskull7735
    @adamofgrayskull7735 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    We're not ready for a united Earth ,not by a long shot

    • @malloryemclaren
      @malloryemclaren 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am!

    • @adamofgrayskull7735
      @adamofgrayskull7735 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @malloryemclaren what the NWO,no we dont want that yet ,we haven't evolved enough

  • @andythedarkone1982
    @andythedarkone1982 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think a united earth is only possible in Star Trek because Humans know that other intelligent life and advanced civilisations are out there, all of a sudden, arguing over countries, skin colour and land seem trivial, also it would promote an advanced tribalism of sorts, where the fact you are one of your own species would be all that mattered, I think United earth would be born out of necessarity rather than want. Because the situation would create an entirely new type of 'Us verses Them' Mentality.

    • @palmercolson7037
      @palmercolson7037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would add the concern over differences between countries on Earth being exploited and used against us. The precedent would be from our own history. The Aztec empire was destroyed by the Spanish and locals allying against a common foe. Proxy wars from the Cold War in Asia, South America and Africa got people forced off their land or killed.
      There would also be concerns about incidents between aliens and locals that could cause alien intervention. The precedent would be people getting into trouble in China or elsewhere and the foreign power would make demands from compensation to control over territories. They're not all going to be Vulcans being mostly reasonable.
      An Earth government would be able to present a united front over any issues.

  • @athyscollection
    @athyscollection ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:15 - As a UK citizen, I am still very upset, angry and embarrassed about this.

  • @ChrisM-hx9kv
    @ChrisM-hx9kv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Commenting to feed the algorithm 🙃

  • @fanofentropy2280
    @fanofentropy2280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I've always been under the impression that if we stop being country-icans/ites/ians and start being/living/thinking as Earthicans, we can finally get down to serious progress as a species.

    • @SamuelBlack84
      @SamuelBlack84 ปีที่แล้ว

      We always seem to fall back on archaic tribalism amd individual ego
      No mattet how advanced we think we ate, just below the skin we're still talking monkeys

    • @robertoleary5470
      @robertoleary5470 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@subraxaspersonally I prefer Earthers. Probably due to reading the Expanse

  • @colinleat8309
    @colinleat8309 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Seriously. Subscribe people. If you're watching every week or not. I love when they mention Canada in Trek...all 2 times 🤣. 🖖😁🤞🇨🇦

    • @cyberfrank-bx2nv
      @cyberfrank-bx2nv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hi bro, from Quebec.

    • @colinleat8309
      @colinleat8309 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey there fellow Quebecer!

    • @cyberfrank-bx2nv
      @cyberfrank-bx2nv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@colinleat8309 ah, un frere! je me demande combien de Quebecois passent la barriere Anglo pour pouvoir acceder next gen, t en connais d autres toi? c est sur, les traducs,
      c est pas mon fort, on en perds trop dans l equation, moi, j en connais pas d autres. assez dommage, l esprit trekkie, c est international, ca devrait vraiment nous unir.
      t est de quel coin? heu, tu parles Francais j imagine? if not, thanks for the salute in any case bro!

  • @ClintSprayberry
    @ClintSprayberry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

  • @Geoffrey___
    @Geoffrey___ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where is Tom Paris from?

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      According to novels, California ;D

  • @kjpedersen778
    @kjpedersen778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    United Earth probably had a parliamentary form of government before The Burn, thereafter presidentialism was adopted.

  • @shanghinunes
    @shanghinunes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the rhythm of alg

  • @canadaclub8920
    @canadaclub8920 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    a fan theory I heard is by TNG era the vast majority of the population live most if not all of their lives inside holodecks blissfully unaware. It would be an effective way of managing the population. As the maquis crisis demonstrated, you can't have federation citizens just doing whatever they want.

  • @Chirchy
    @Chirchy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    a united earth needs to happen irl

  • @shadowki497
    @shadowki497 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We can all ignore STD, it doesn't make any sense even within itself so it's better to just dismiss it as it's own self contained universe.

  • @jeannehall6546
    @jeannehall6546 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kathryn Janeway is from Bloomington, Indiana.
    Hikaru Sulu is a Pacific Islander.
    Amanda Grayson (Spock’s mother)is from Colorado Springs.
    Benjamin Sisko is from New Orleans.

  • @debbieannsmith8962
    @debbieannsmith8962 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love your channel. Keep up the amazing work.