Makiwara Demonstration （巻藁）
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- Thanks to Anikinippon for creating a copy of this with English subtitles at: • Makiwara Demonstration...
Footage of Machiwara demonstration for Japanese television program at the Shinjinbukan Hombu Dojo. Some discussion on the origins of karate and also speed demonstrations with hanging paper are also included. Sorry, most of the Japanese is above my level of understanding, or I'd have added translation. このスチルは沖縄小林流。 会派は神人武館。 - กีฬา
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The man in the suit is C.W. Nicol. Author of the book "Moving Zen" Karate as a way to gentleness. A great read. I highly recommend it.
Thank you for this clip!
What a gem!
Thank you soooo much !
Great video, always learn something new every time I watch senses Ouagadougou Yoshimitsu’s videos. Thank you very much for sharing.
The dojo is in Asato district in Naha. Strangely (well, rather predictably), Nichols' NHK crew used footage of him walking around some of the most beautiful neighborhoods of Shuri on his way to the dojo. Makes for nice scenery though.
Wow! Say it again backwards... WOW! Thanks for posting this Michiko sensei is unbelievable. What a gift just to see it on video. 偉いです！
She is top level. I have seen top level and she is there...
THIS IS SO LEGIT. Thank you for sharing this!!
Great video!
@Yamtendo Good question. It's for gripping exercises. One use is to practice squeezing your fist more tightly at the point of impact when you strike.
The fishing sinker hung behind the board is adjustable. It is just for measuring depth. The deeper you can move it, the more damage you can do to a chest cavity, for instance.
Incidentally, if you'd like to view a translated version of the program, see the video response left by aniki-nippon. He did a great job.
Very cool! She's got an amazing punch. Would love to see her timing as well as her skills in defensive and offensive tactics in jiyu-kumite.
Good demonstration
I"m impressed, great technique and skill
My dojo is in Salem, IL. Anyone who wants to get a better rationale for Onaga Michiko sensei's technique is welcome to contact me and arrange a visit or even phone discussion. It is very difficult to write about this. I started in traditional Okinawan Goju and practiced shiko-to-zenkutsu machiwara training for decades. Having trained at Onaga sensei's dojo for over three years (and recently at that), I was very impressed with how much his methodology improved my striking power. Cheers to all.
ESPECTACULAR!
Nice dvd, gr8 to see the old Shotokan man from Wales!
I agree with you that hips are critical. The makiwara definitely helps develop proper use of the hips for striking power. If you're saying that there are a lot more dimensions to makiwara training than just conditioning knuckles, then I agree with that too. The "video response" is worth a look if you haven't checked it out yet.
The full name is Shigeru Egami headmaster of Shotokai Karate.
The interview about makiwara is: " Master Shigeru Egami's itinerary " or you can search : Shigeru Egami makiwara".
He explain how to use it , and when it s useless.
I think we learned the wrong use here in Europe or USA , in Okinawa it s used to teach how to hit , but not to have a strong punch or a stone hand.
Egami was the best teacher of Funakoshi of Shotokan, when Shotokan changed he created the Shotokai.
Thanks very much for the locations. Seems to be a form of kigu undo that has gone by the wayside in most dojo. Typing paper would be tough. There is an organization in Centralia, IL called the Hakutsuru Kai, but I'm not familiar with Hakutsuru Ryu. Great info!
The stance is consistent with Naihanchi Shodan kata. If you understand that particular kata and the cross body hooking strike, you will understand how she can generate power from that position. There may be a relevant lesson on the cross-body punch before turning around in Sanchin, or near then end of Seisan (facing the rear). We kick a heavy bag with one foot on the ground and can manage to generate significant impact. If we value mobility, a forward-leaning zenkutsu seems counterproductive.
@thkun33
in short her father basically says. "even though she is small she is strong enough to 'not lose' to a bigger person. He makes the distinction between winning and not losing clear saying 'not losing' is what it's all about, not killing nor winning.
This is very similar in Isshin-Ryu Karate using Chinkuchi. By using body weight, muscle, bone, and sinew, you use your body to focus on one point to hit, and then hit it with that force.
When you watch the response vid, click on the closed captioned icon in the lower right hand corner and see if it still doesn't work.
As far as pain goes - I still have feelings in the nerves on my knuckles. I dunno, maybe I'm just a pain freak. But I used to enjoy the after-effects of kotekitai. I only backed off from that kind of training when I started getting damage to the tendons in my elbows. (and now I prefer muchimi to bashing :-)
Cool! Many thanks :-)
Hello, sorry about the confusion. This is not the video with English subtitles. You can find the link to that in the description. Anikinippon copied the video and made the subtitles. You will need to turn on closed captioning (CC) on the video screen for it to work. Let me know if that helps.
Awesome incredible power
When you say, "are they all this fast?", I assume you're talking about the other members of the Shinjinbukan? I don't know. I don't think I'm as fast as Michiko, but I can tsuki fast enough to break paper and machiwara is one of my favorite things. I would say it is one of Onaga sensei's specialties.
Good Morning Jakneife, There a re multiple Dojo that I knew of that practice this type of training, one is a Hakutsuru Ryu stylist near Agena four corners below camp courtney, also Kise's Hombu dojo trains this way as well, way back in the 70's we used to use a sheet of typing paper, if the punch was corrrect, it would rip the paper, if not fast enough, it mearly fold around your hand
I agree with Brandon in that I think there are some ways of hitting that are superior to others. You can pound nails using a heavy wrench, but a hammer will work much better. Where we disagree is on which methods to use for striking machiwara. Her method is based on specific applications which have been shared with me. I know what I am seeing and practice these strikes. It may not resonate with someone who has never been taught the technique. Reference previous comments on Sanchin and Naihanchi.
Magnífico!
@WaywardBrigand You can learn to do it too. Onaga sensei's teacher was Higa Yuchoku sensei, who's tsuki was legendary. The approach to striking that they use is superior to what I had studied for the duration of my training, and to anyone else's method I have seen. So I have switched. Anyone living in Japan can find the clips at "Makumon" home improvement store. Good luck finding them in the states.
@Jakneife okay thank you very much for the info :D
harder i don't know, but with a bigger accuracy and extreme ki that focuses all the power on a precise point. When your punch will cause bruises around the nose and upper lip swelling, her tsuki will break the nose clean.
@cececooler Do you mean to punch a circular hole through a suspended piece of paper? I don't know of anyone who could do that. Sometimes when we practice this, we tear a hole in the paper, but it is usually "V" shaped. The best breaks are along the bottom 1/3 of the paper, straight across and fully ripped (sometimes, the broken piece hangs from one side).
Yes She is so thin but looks strong ( sorry My english is not good).
I was surprise.
May be next time i will go to oKinawa ( I go there every year), I will visite this amazing Dojo.
@TYYUBE You are in luck! If you view my description for the video, you will see a link to anikinippon's copy of this. He was kind enough to translate it. You will have to turn on the closed captioning so you can see what he has written. Enjoy!
"It is really awesome. Michiko sensei looks really strong" (thanks to Oshiro sensei for the translation). And thanks ofou07 for the comment.
Been training since '86 for me, Tom. The only other dojos I know of where they practice breaking paper are Senaha Shgetoshi sensei's and Shinjo Kiyohide sensei's. Do you know of some other dojos? I'd be interested ad am going to Oki again in Nov. I've seen kids break it with even a bad punch. But it is a great way to practice speed and shiboru. Definitely more challenging with phone book paper from the U.S., which is thicker and the fibers are set vertically rather than horizontally.
Very interesting ways of punching the makiwara
it's an old video and i really enjoy it but i wonder how old is she now, and what did she become?
I'd have to agree with you. It's become an indispensable tool, IMO. I use it differently than when back in the U.S, which was just for conditioning. When you add tenchin it really helps with proprioception too.
Egami's essay was interesting; I like iconoclasm. But I disagree with him. Would like to see the new tsuki he developed. Essay would be a good topic for discussion on some forums.
@brasucasoul It's the Shinjinbukan branch of Okinawa Kobayashi Shorin Ryu.
I was impressed until I saw the paper rip.
Then I crapped my pants (metaphorically). Holy hell that is a good punch.
What is the purpose of the plum-line behind the makiwara?
I love how she doesn't just stop at the punch and flows into other movements.
The plumb line is to measure the depth of her strikes. Some good ideas in the vid for our training. Cheers!
Jonathon Hallberg Thanks for your reply! I also noticed her holding what appears to be a bundle of straw. Any ideas on this?
Gordon Gavin
It is for hand clenching exercises when you punch in the air or do certain blocks. You can do this with closed fists as well. The nigiri (bundle) just drives the point home and gives a more tactile experience.
Jonathon Hallberg Interesting. I'm curious to try these traditional training methods. Thanks!
Jonathon Hallberg hello will you please tell me wooden makiwara or sand filled punching bag practice give same result.
Phone book paper in the U.S. is run 90' off from what it is done in Japan. Therefore, hanging in in portrait orientation is harder than in landscape orientation. You should get cleaner breaks if you hang it sideways. After some success, see how you do with half sheets. And yes, I also believe the paper in the U.S. is a bit thicker than in Japan. Can also experiment with newsprint catalog paper, often quite thin. There are no tricks to this; it is just a speed drill. But good punching tech helps.
Sugoi, Michiko Sensei..
she is very strong. Anyone can help to translate what the sensei's explaination? thx for sharing this
@alejandrocastr
Ah, no problem. Thank you for helping me understand though. Your channel is pretty cool! Nice graphics and great vids.
@Yamtendo thats is someting that strenghten your grip and punch.. there is also a weapon that works almost that way.. search for vajra.
@alejandrocastr
I am wearing your channel? I do not understand what you mean.
es la mejor de toda la vida .
Amazing. She moves so Smoothly. Like a "Moon Walking" Whip ! Do All His Adv. Students Move Like This ?
they should have a high level of control of koshi at that point. however, michiko, onaga sensei's daughter (the one in the video), has been trained since she could walk. this is like breathing for her.
Our machiwara are crafted to try and approximate the tensile strength of human ribs. If you can hit the fishing sinker behind the post, you have a chance at cracking ribs. I likewise, do not anticipate fighting anyone in wooden armor.
As for the risk, what can I say? Most physical activity involves risk. Every individual needs to decide how far they want to go. Cheers!
well my friend, its all applied physics here, very much like a hyper velocity projectile, mass times velocity equals in this case the ability to throw a very penetrating punch, by the way when I was on Okinawa, I had met many individuals that train for the sake of the perfect technique, and in this case I would say she accomplished this, by the way, how long have you been training? as for me over forty years
also in the case of the paper, it has a tendency to fold around a normal punch,
if you know the truth.. you have to learn to generate power from ground to the leg + power from dantien to deliver it to the punch.. kick the ground and try to straight your leg and it will twist your body, so that opposite hand will be throw by design.. so if you are in kokutsu dachi(high-stance, if you do kokutsu dachi like shotokan you can not perform it perfectly, that's why okinawa karate often seen high stance), just put your front leg's heel up, and then kick it with heel to the ground, so that your leg will be straight and it will twist the body and the energy deliver to opposite hand, at the same time you exhale at the same time squezing your stomach.. so that your fist will be solid on its own(chinkuchi), at first your fist must be relax, just squeze your fist at the same time you sequeze your stomach before you reach the target.. remember massive energy(atifa/fajin) is from the kick to the ground+the dantien(internal power) from stomach..
if you do it correctly, you can punch very fast with less energy, because you use ground energy(not muscle energy) and deliver it to the hand..
when you master it, you dont need big muscle to make devistating punch, and you can also punch in very-very short-range..
that's what I learnt from okinawan friends, this method came from the original (ancient) naihanchi.. and also my friends told me, just train oi zuki, or gyaku zuki with this principle.. you can knock-out the opponent very easy.. or if you kick the ground very hard you may kill the opponent.. :D
Kirin Cluster Your shared knowledge put into practice added to my punching impact force with less effort, THANKS This really works when done just as you so well explain it ! Respectfully👍🏼
I wonder where is this Okinawan Dojo located in or at ?
I studied Shito Ryu way back when i was a teenager and before that was a keen student of Ashihara , but that techniques shown here are wicked.
Respect and love to all Karatekas and Budokas..
She is amazing. What is her name? Does anyone know?
Brandon, got a question, how long have you been training?
is there a way to see the full documentary? pls help :/
Great! 1:30 and on.... Just Great !!!
What's that straw thing in her other hand?
her name is Onaga Michiko.
Onaga Michiko Tsuki looks smooth as well as powerful
What is the weight on string for?
also what does the paper tearing show?
thank you in advance
She's cool.
@thkun33 Have a look in the video description page. There's a link to a translated version. Just turn on the closed captioning in your video window (I think lower right corner of the video).
Hi Jonathon Sensei. Most enlightening example of makiwara, but wondered what the weighted string represents?
Thank you from Pete
I want to read it. What is Egami sensei's full name?
40 Kg Girl hitting in that kind of force that is great! She has great and fast hip movement and she can cut a yellow page paper who is not fixed.... These are my thoughts, she can really focus her punch. I rarely see women work like that!
good
@tiborzkarate - He's her Father... daddy's little girl! :)
me and my gf tried this and failed. i train mixed martial arts. i ripped the paper clean in half like she did-but it was with a finger jab. i think the yellow paper is thinner and easier to break though?
what style is that?
I have a question. In straight punch form of lunge, or reverse punch or Kata, it is always emphasized to keep elbow tucked in as much as possible and rotate fist at the very last moment with torso and both shoulder facing foward. But in this vid or other makiwara, or in a lot of kumite, they move more natural (elbows out and less effort to rotate fist at the last moment). It is compensation that we eventually need to get rid of? or we don't fight with the form we learned but it's rather structural exercise purpose?
Hi Terry - with the exception of cross-body strikes, my elbow generally points downward until fully extended. Then it is turned sideways. I rotate my fist throughout the strike. Instructors of higher rank than me have told me to turn my fist over earlier, while others have told me to wait until the end, as you mention above. The teaching that makes the most sense for me is to turn over the fist as I go. It lends me the best wrist stability no matter where my strike impacts along its route of travel. Soko tsuki for short strikes, lateral fist for mid-range, turned over for fully extended.
Thanks. What do u mean by cross body strikes? Like reverse punch compared to lunge punch? Also, this girl in the vid, practicing on Makiwara kinda seems hook like body rotation with slight elbow out compared to front stance straight punches. What's your thought on that?
Terry Ko
The hooking strikes are the cross-body strikes I am referencing. I have received instruction from both the woman and her father pictured in the video. I find these strikes very effective for in-close fighting. It is fun to use them on the machiwara as they really bend the board back once you develop them.
Jonathon Hallberg oh Okay. So this particular strike is different from straight punches and also, how we practice punch on makiwara doesn't have to be always straight? right?
***** I mean I know and do not disagree with what you said. But I was just asking about what really happens in reality. Lyoto Machida who started Shotokan Karate at age of 3, his elbows somewhat flairs out, also, I was just curious about how some karateka practice makiwara with hook like punch, including Mas Oyama, instead of the straight form you just described.
Para meu futuro estudante Lua, espero que ele possa ver a filosofia do trenamento Marcial, Logo poder treinar o corpo de tal forma que ele possa pasar para a parte espiritual....lembre-se que sem sacrificio, nada é conquistado.bom trenamentos
She's Michiko Onaga.
my japanese is far from perfect but from what I can make out they're talking a lot about the idea that Ti isn't meant to be used as a tool for killing. It is meant to make one strong, it's not for winning but it will keep you from losing but above all else it is not to be used to kill
Something I've always wondered: do Shinjinbukan practitioners train with Kyudokan practitioners at all? If not, why not?
If I never replied to this, my apologies. Yes, we train with some of the Kyudokan people and have a good relationship with many of them. This year, we celebrated Onaga sensei's 80th birthday. Higa Minoru sensei came and they sat together at the head table along with Senaha sensei from the Ryusyokai. From my vantage point, there is goodwill between the dojos.
@@Jakneife that's so cool! Higa Minoru himself, wow! thanks for the reply
ahh ive seen it ths method is teh swinging pendulum used to gauge ur progess cuz i remebering sse this somewhere
Hakutsuru translates to "white crane." I don't think there's a real style called "hakatsuru-ryu" White crane is the basis of all Okinawan karate. In the style of shorin-ryu I practice, white crane training comes after karate training. White crane is "high level" karate and tends to be more deadly.
could be technique of fist fighting on ship or boat.
the movement is small, and the effective distance of punch is so short, so I suppose it's a technique to fight in a limited space.
I am not sure of the style of karate they are training but some styles come from family's who protected the emperor and the palace in Okinawa is known to be very narrow and have wooden pillers in order to make it hard on Invaders to use weapons. So it might be the reason for limited distance technique
well, could be.
Damn, I thought I had you convinced.
DarknessFreak, training is a good starting point, as for Muay Thai, are you going to be training with a traditional Muay Thai trainer or at a health club...Real Muay Thai is a wonderful thing
コレは凄い
Peace be upon you. This is the wood of any tree I want
there is no universally accepted way there are multiple ways you can hit a makiwara no right or wrong way it doesnt matter as long as it strengthens the striking areas you strike the makiwara with.
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Ah, in some parts of the program, Nichol uses English, but it is a typical Japanese tourism program. Karate was a tagline to draw interest in Okinawa. My Japanese is improving but there are huge gaps in my understanding. So, much of the program is quite boring.
Breaking hanging paper is a great way to develop speed. No tricks there, just lot's of reps and correct technique. Note; phone books in the states use a thicker paper grade. It doesn't usually rip straight across - much more difficult.
Sure there are different ways to hit the makiwara, but there are wrong ways to do it also. Like I said before Makiwara is not necessarily to develop your knuckles. In fact, it's really not good to strike the makiwara too much. You can end up causing permanent injury to yourself over time. Believe me, I've seen guys do this to themselves. In my opinion, it is more about focus and learning to hit your target with explosive power from a very short distance.
beautiful strong girl
Brandon, I don't know where you train, but neither the Shinjinbukan nor the Kyudokan are sport based. The only "sport" Shinjinbukan people I know of are in Argentina (a la Ramos sensei). A yoko keri to the armpit of an attacker, done correctly, can dislocate the shoulder. If it's an opponent's kick instead of strike, you ride the leg up. But her father isn't going to kick her; he's in his 70s. Review some SJBK websites. They may change your opinion.
@Jakneife nice
What style is this ?
Okinawan Koyayashi Shorin Ryu, Higa Yuchoku lineage. Michiko sensei's father was his only uchi deshi. Onaga sensei is the kancho and founder of the Shinjinbukan school.
Timppa8000 me love you long long time kata
so you're saying there's no correct way to hit a makiwara? If no one does it correctly then what's the point?
The white man was impressed.
Why is it so hard to believe a small thin woman who practices striking machiwara regularly over the course of years, with good instruction, could strike harder than a healthy grown man? From my understanding, power is based on mass x speed squared. So speed is exponentially related to mass. As for the paper, cut some out of the phone book and give it a try. It's harder than you might think.
she tear the paper
i want to see video where a person actually punch a paper and make a hole
can any1 help me to find the video?
That is a skilled woman, wonder if she is looking for a man? If she already has one, he should feel VERY honored.
RIP WC Nicol
The best Kimé!.
...her is the beast..i do not fight with her
Ive got to show this to my sensei hes gonna freak lol.