also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one
The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. Hope that helps!
You can take this training method all the way up to 100’s with bad prosthetic limbs. Two bad arms can reduce your strength and dex by something wild like 94%. Those make it more viable to train since your damage goes way down
Excellent comment, also It is always better to train strength last for this same reason. The more hits you can get in before knocking out your training dummy the better for xp. Thanks for watching Max!
You can do an advanced version of this training method too, tho it requires some research. Once you research the skeleton repair bed go find a broken skeleton at obidience or the black desert, fight him to the point that they loose a leg, it doesn't matter witch and 1 is enough. Take your 1 legged prison or to your house or base and put him on the skeleton bed. Even when fully healed the guy won't leave the skelly bed, and seeing how the skelly bed heals robots faster than the normal bed does biologicals you'll be able to train much longer before having to take a break for the prisoners sake. Just be sure to lock the guy up before you reload or exit the game, since restarting or reloading the game will cause them to get out of the skeleton bed and slowly try to crawl to safety. If you then load up your trainee to be over 80% encumbered AND u make him carry someone you will see strength level up as well. You can also collect crap weapons, like really the least damaging versions of hackers katanas and so on and use those to practice your weapon skill. Using this robot prison er training method does kind of break the game, since you'll end up with an unbeatable squad within the first couple days of training
I did this with iron spiders over in World's End, in a shops repair beds, its a great place to get early research complete. An undefended place to get eng research is the island off the coast of Vain also possibly the grid. If you load the game with the iron spiders in the beds they will suddenly be on the lower floor of the building and attack the shop lol. I need to try out this one leg skeleton method, great info. Thanks Brimsaw !
@@TwistedLogicGaming I havent even thought of using iron spiders before, i imagine those go even better as long as you remember to lock them up or pick them up before saving/loading. Theres less ehadache with the spiders too since you wont have to get lucky with the limb slicing, and with all limbs still attached you have a higher chance of hitting the spider and thus raising your desired skill
Only halfway in, and this has got to be the most ruthlessly practical optimized stat training for a new game start. I had never considered using a copper node at a hive village or using their communal beds as an animal trap. I will be using this in the future, especially since I already earned the stats on another character first.
very good guide, my only other tip is make sure to train your dex/martial arts up to your "goal" level before you start training strength. that way you stay with low martial arts damage as long as possible (which means you get more hits on the gorillo) it will just help you save time if you sequence like that.
If you carry somebody (or an animal) dead or alive, it will increase the ST faster. Also, some armors/boots (specially the samurai ones) give you negative MA. The lower MA stat the quicker it will increase. After your training is done, then you can wear armor that give you MA bonus. Now you can be +100 MA. Nice guide btw!. I used robots, but using animals is easier to do early game. Thanks!
Ahh cool, i needed to know armor. Been carrying stuff at 89% encumbrance in a trader backpack (copper). Just leave room in inventory to take the pack off, to get rid of the penalties of the item:-)
In mourn you can glitch the white gorrillo near the stairs and train any weapon stat he will still be able to attack after you hit him a couple times but to re glitch him just run down the stairs slightly.
That is an intersting idea, also security spiders have a max range from whatever site they protect. you can lure them to the boundry and fight them where they cannot take a single step further, but also you have full movement.! Thanks for watching ! !
Counter to limb dmg for martial arts is the Asassian rags, as it reduces martial art skill dmg by 100%, although it says only fists it also protects legs for some reason but don’t complain it’s useful all the same as it saves time for you to heal up which is good in case you get jumped by something while waiting for the gorillo or two to heal back up
The animal bed stuck glitch kind ruins the immersion for me, but almost all the training guides just use this glitch... If I gotta break the immersion,I would just FCS the stat tho.
you can also do a 3rd with the skeleton bed, it wont heal as fast but you will gain some bonus xp. if you do this with the great white gorrillo it's the best way. Happy Gaming !!
Vain will always my favorite place, i can set up my base very near that hive and no HN or Shek bother me, only dust bandit and black dragon ninja sometimes coming. Now talking about training, theres always some gorillo that volunter as the sparing partner. build a building at least the L house, bring the gorillo up and send my trainee to fight the gorillo. Put all the crew as pasive so nobody would distrub the training session. This is would increase the dexterity, tought, attack, defence , weapon (sabre,katana etc ),strenght,dodge and also medical skill when the gorillo down so the trainee can heal him. and make sure you give the trainee the best armor ,the heavy armor if you can afford it, to avoid any limbs loss or death.
I keep trying this and i never get the chance to attack the sleeping gorillo. Tried everything to get jt to work. Reloading healing it movjng it to a different bed. Nothin
also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one
Trying this with a beak thing, it works, but it's kinda slow due to the fact that I keep beating it into unconsciousness and then have to wait for it to recover. Maybe with a full room of them (in a house or outpost you own) it would be faster. I think you can arrange the beds so your swings hit multiple enemies at once also that poor girl got named *gargle* lmao
i ended up mix and mashing this with my cat start, going to squint asap, buy a bagpack, go to the shek ruins, loot all the goodies, go to adamag and sell your stuff, stay the night and trin thievery to 50+ (start with easy pickups, drop, unpause, pick up, pause, drop again, rinse and repeat. i arrived in the hive village on day 2 in the morning with about 30k cats and left the hive village on day 4 with strength, dex, martial, stealth and thievery 50+, a backpack and 26k cats.
Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. then put it in the bed and it will snap. The Traing Dummy needs to "not unconsices or dead" inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. Hope that helps! make sure block is disabled
I found a fix if its not working pick up the gorillo, head to the hub and Put it on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload and head back to the hiver village
try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one
Yes strength xp is equal to encumbrance when using martial arts; however it will slow the MA training speed as you hit harder you will have less hits to KO the dummy.
@@TwistedLogicGaming So I just tried it with a 28 strength character. I filled a traders backpack up with copper and placed it in my main inventory for 88% encumbrance. I only gained 3 strength levels, but with a single beating of a beak thing and a gorillo I went from 40 martial and DEX to 60. The massive martial arts penalty you get from being that over encumbered (-40) does two things: it boosts your martial gain and makes your strikes WAY weaker. I know this video is over a year old but you should have a look at that
yea it'll allow me to pick up dead bodies but its really weird its suddenly just not allowing me to do it. I've tried opening and close too.@@TwistedLogicGaming
I cannot, its very strange but I get options for other stuff like looting, and healing it but never picking it up, and I can't find anyone else having this problem on any forum which is why I find it so odd @@TwistedLogicGaming
Itzs not working, i even heal the gorilla and picked it up and paid for the bed many times, the timer restarts, or it just stay there lying on the bed forever in critical condition and i cant fight it
it is a bug so the correct conditions must be set before it works. 1st Try saving and reloading the game; keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first. Also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up.then put them in the bed and try to train; this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one. The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. added tip is that it is better to train strength after MA training as you will hit harder. Hope that helps! Thank you for watching
I don't get grinding 100 hours of bandit fights to level martial and dex. At that point why not just edit your save or use mods. (Hint: We do it to save time, Kenshi is the runescape of single player rpgs)
kt ? this is for Martial arts and Dex! dexterity will help later on with sword work, and you can do this to train swords but with the massive damage from swords it will not be very effective if you are just using a beak thing or gurrillo . you might need a bigger training dummy
So I tried this with 2 beak things. Carried them home to Okran's Pride and got my guy up to martial arts 50 with them. Then I went out to look for better training dummies, and brought home the great white gorillo. I've been training with him for a while now, it's great with so much health, and I can even train my normal weapons on him without KO'ing for a while. BUT, for some reason, this trick stopped working suddenly. I've been following the steps you give in other comments multiple times but it just doesn't work anymore. The only thing I haven't tried is importing, cause I'm scared it will make him disappear.
did you try letting them wake up and then picking up the dummy ? ( basically you heal the dummy so it will wake up then put it on the ground right click and hold the mouse over the "pick up" option and let the dummy wake up then let go of the button to actually pick up the creature. ) that seems to work all the time for me ! Thank you for watching Murkorus !! I hope that helps. (i don't think importing will do anything, but maybe if there is a new mod ? )
@@TwistedLogicGaming I have installed a few mods but I don't think they're the culprits. I've tried multiple different timings. Picking up when unconcious is at 0, picking up right as the animation to stand up begins, picking up as the animation to attack begins, and even letting it hit me once then picking it up. All of those I've also tried saving and loading both after putting it on the ground, carrying it, and putting it in the bed. It's really strange that it just suddenly stopped working..
That is strange. perhaps try Shift+Ctrl+F11 - These couple of buttons fixes a buggy placement of certain buildings and objects thru out kenshi. if that does not work perhaps a different bed or deconstruct the bed and re build it ?
Try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. (this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one.) Sometimes you won’t see the attack option but if it’s in the bed & conscious, (mouse should turn red) you can also right click attack. keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first. and there is room near the bed for MArts. THank you for watching !!
No, it is not patched. try saving and reloading, keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first. also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. Hope that helps!
@@TwistedLogicGaming thanks, reloading did Help. The animal resetted its Pose and i was able to right click Attack. Attack unprovoked was Not available. :)
For training: try this (you don't need exact matches) Samurai Legplates, Wooden Sandals, Samurai Armour, Tin Can, any shirt(not chainmail). with the training you want to be able to hit as many times as possible with the smallest dmg output. Then once you finished training; Crab helmet, Sleeveless dustcoat,Dark leather shirt,Samurai plate pants,wooden sandals,2x lifter arms, large theft backpack. But really whatever you want to wear. Happy Gaming Humperdoo Saves !!
I'm also doing a non-exploit let's play, currently we went to every location in the bottom left of the map (1/4th of the world) and are now checking out the top left area! Happy Gaming!
@@TwistedLogicGaming the hive village trick worked lol. So now exploring a bit, got Kang and he'll prolly be a backup / tech researcher or something. Ma 63, dodge 52, str 36, dex 24....... works well ;)
Gnue... Often thougth about setting up a simple House close and mining in or around Hive village, but this is thinking out side of the box for sure. Dont like Martial arts it to over powered vut thats sweet dex training. Watched and 👍 Liked
@@TwistedLogicGaming well I did this again in another game, might just be my files or something but before I did the glitch I was able to level it up and after doing it I wasn't. On top of that the usual thievery leveling method just wouldn't work (stealing from someone playing dead while game is paused) as even when the game is paused they would notice you're stealing from them and actively say "hey stop that" or something even though the game is paused and they shouldn't be able to. Sometimes stealing from them caused them to go unconscious for 3 seconds while the game was paused as well which was another weird thing. On games where I haven't performed this glitch everything works as usual though.
This is two different bugs that are unrelated. Trouble shooting the thieves bug is different. You don't always gain skill that way. Once you have someone playing dead try to save and reload. The best place to try is the bar in the hub
Ah yes, the Kenshi equivalent of Rocky training in a meat locker. Later on you can capture an elder beak thing or the great white gorillo to increase the ceiling for good gains and extended sessions. Good method for challenge and gimmick runs, but not very satisfying in regular play since you are not able to see the active progression from wimp to warrior. Worth noting that the beak things and gorillos of Vain are good training for a fresh character regardless, being statistically tough but pushovers with sufficient micro, so there's a worthwhile takeaway for people worried about the immersion breaking aspect.
hahahahaha Yes, you can hit 1 thing 100 times or 100 things 1 time it would be the same. and then the "Stronger Opponent Logic" Thanks for the comment 7four !
Very good and effective method! I would also reccomend to carey something while doing this to boost you strength gain xp by another 25% You can get your character to 25% strength gain xp encumbering yourself, and in order to go over 25 you need to carry someone which would be a flat 25%
keep in mind that depending on how high you want to go with MA, strength training can slow it down a bit as the dummys will get KO'ed faster. Happy Gaming Oleh!
You can do this even faster if you take the gorillo to the Rebel Base Bar north of The Hub as the beds will make them recover faster, and are completely free to use, I suggest hiring another character so another can go back to the hive and get more gorillos. Also, to avoid them rag-dolling out of the bed I suggest one of three things: 1. Put them in a cage then pick them up (or break them out without being seen if you don't own a cage), this will force them to "stand up". 2. Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over them, once they stand up, release right mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. 3. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "stand" on the bed next time you put them in one. Once you are skillful enough to take on Iron/Security spiders, you can do this with them on a Repair bed, they heal much faster, especially if you repair them as well as getting some skill points on robotics. The best punching bags I've found to date though, are the Great White and King gorillos, but I suggest you take them to the slavers, save, then put them in a slave cage until they get "enslaved" (sometimes they get killed tho, so that's why you save), buy them, won't be cheap, 40k each, but they're worth it, and now they will be marked as allies (green cursor), carry them to your base and put them in any bed you own, and just wail at them forever, the good thing about having them marked as allies, is that your units won't go hostile on them and ruin your training by coming to help you beat it, and the gorillos themselves won't go aggro on you either.
thanks for that, worked perfectly, hadn't considered doing this with the spiders before, using the second method worked for them not ragdolling out of bed for me.
yeah I have gotten this to work with gorrilos in the past but seem to be more of a pain. when I was doing the speedruns after maybe 10 trys I stopped going for them all together and just focused on the beakthings
If this is vanilla level up, then what wrong with mods like Advanced Training ? Same result but not for free and you need more, probably, time for level up.
yes this is default / vanilla leveling. I have no problem with mods; however right now none of my modes change the game. mostly they are visual mods like colored armor and adding shek hair. Thanks for Watching Gat Play!
I know this is a year old but leveling mods can be incompatible with other mods, especially major overhaul mods like Genesis, and extra start option mods can fuck things up, often without you the player even noticing or at least not till way late into a playthrough as well. So as a result it can be difficult to speedrun power, and keep immersion at the same time.
I thought i was smart by buying a trader backpack, loading it up with copper and run around hehehe. Tell you what, str, acro, and toughness after being beaten to a pulp numerous times does work hehe. Just no ma skill. Time to look at that hive :-)
it is generaly better to train strength after MA so you can get more hits in before KO'ing your dummy. still should be fine. after you get really high: try to get a elder beak thing or the great white gorillo! Happy Gaming !!
Ah, I never used that one. i don't like changing game mechanics too much. I usually like to use the Martial arts strength XP - instead of being capped at 50%, The XP = your encumbrance but only when using MA'. (usually you want to get MA up high first because as strength goes up so does damage and will mean less hits per knock out ~ less chance for XP. Happy Gaming leespiderpod !!
Bed exploits make training weapon mods seem balanced, so if you want a more immersive way, consider installing training weapons instead. That way you at least risk the prisoner escaping.
@@TwistedLogicGaming tks god for these video my guy. I spent almost 15 h in the game and last 5 hour I am techically the Holy punch bag in the Rebirth just to level up my tough stat and MA. Im a new player so currently i dont know anything so i thought this is the only way
This is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. if neither: 1st Try saving and reloading the game; keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first. Also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up.then put them in the bed and try to train. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one. The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / added tip is that it is better to train strength after MA training as you will hit harder. Hope that helps; Thank you for watching!
@@TwistedLogicGaming I just tried it. Got it to “snap to” in bed. The same bed in your video. But still no option to attack. Even with save/load. Maybe I’m doing something wrong.
@@satellite2696 does your mouse turn red? that is the same as "attack target" if so click mosue LMK / the creature must also not be knocked out. you might need to do some medical. once you get it you should understand and be able to do it all the time. but some beds are weird
This does work however it is a bug so the correct conditions must be set before it works. 1st Try saving and reloading the game; keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first. Also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up.then put them in the bed and try to train. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one. The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. added tip is that it is better to train strength after MA training as you will hit harder. Hope that helps! Sorry I was not at my PC before; Thank you for watching!
i think they patch it out. Cant put animals into some elses bed, and if i just put it in sleeping bag, i can attack them either.
Nah, no updates / try saving and reloading, keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first.
also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you.
As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one
The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. Hope that helps!
@@TwistedLogicGaming i had to read this to finally think this wasnt patched lmao u earned a sub for this ty
Glad this helped Mike, Happy Gaming !
You can take this training method all the way up to 100’s with bad prosthetic limbs. Two bad arms can reduce your strength and dex by something wild like 94%. Those make it more viable to train since your damage goes way down
Excellent comment, also It is always better to train strength last for this same reason. The more hits you can get in before knocking out your training dummy the better for xp. Thanks for watching Max!
Not for str unfortunately
You can do an advanced version of this training method too, tho it requires some research. Once you research the skeleton repair bed go find a broken skeleton at obidience or the black desert, fight him to the point that they loose a leg, it doesn't matter witch and 1 is enough. Take your 1 legged prison or to your house or base and put him on the skeleton bed. Even when fully healed the guy won't leave the skelly bed, and seeing how the skelly bed heals robots faster than the normal bed does biologicals you'll be able to train much longer before having to take a break for the prisoners sake.
Just be sure to lock the guy up before you reload or exit the game, since restarting or reloading the game will cause them to get out of the skeleton bed and slowly try to crawl to safety.
If you then load up your trainee to be over 80% encumbered AND u make him carry someone you will see strength level up as well. You can also collect crap weapons, like really the least damaging versions of hackers katanas and so on and use those to practice your weapon skill.
Using this robot prison er training method does kind of break the game, since you'll end up with an unbeatable squad within the first couple days of training
I did this with iron spiders over in World's End, in a shops repair beds, its a great place to get early research complete. An undefended place to get eng research is the island off the coast of Vain also possibly the grid. If you load the game with the iron spiders in the beds they will suddenly be on the lower floor of the building and attack the shop lol. I need to try out this one leg skeleton method, great info. Thanks Brimsaw !
@@TwistedLogicGaming I havent even thought of using iron spiders before, i imagine those go even better as long as you remember to lock them up or pick them up before saving/loading.
Theres less ehadache with the spiders too since you wont have to get lucky with the limb slicing, and with all limbs still attached you have a higher chance of hitting the spider and thus raising your desired skill
Only halfway in, and this has got to be the most ruthlessly practical optimized stat training for a new game start. I had never considered using a copper node at a hive village or using their communal beds as an animal trap. I will be using this in the future, especially since I already earned the stats on another character first.
I'm glad you enjoyed this Matt, Happy Gaming !!
very good guide, my only other tip is make sure to train your dex/martial arts up to your "goal" level before you start training strength. that way you stay with low martial arts damage as long as possible (which means you get more hits on the gorillo) it will just help you save time if you sequence like that.
100% Thanks Alex!
Using the video's guide I'm already on MA level 69 but strength is still only level 3. And thr leveling up is slow. What should i do?
@@rizkyantoni3948 Pack as much iron as you can in your inventory. Carry any animal/human. Run around and your strength gains will come quick.
It helps a lot! Bravo! The trick is to wait until the state of the holded gorillo returns back to "normal"
Thank you for watching Sasha ! Happy Gaming
If you carry somebody (or an animal) dead or alive, it will increase the ST faster.
Also, some armors/boots (specially the samurai ones) give you negative MA. The lower MA stat the quicker it will increase. After your training is done, then you can wear armor that give you MA bonus. Now you can be +100 MA.
Nice guide btw!. I used robots, but using animals is easier to do early game. Thanks!
Thanks Hans !! Great Info!
Ahh cool, i needed to know armor.
Been carrying stuff at 89% encumbrance in a trader backpack (copper). Just leave room in inventory to take the pack off, to get rid of the penalties of the item:-)
In mourn you can glitch the white gorrillo near the stairs and train any weapon stat he will still be able to attack after you hit him a couple times but to re glitch him just run down the stairs slightly.
That is an intersting idea, also security spiders have a max range from whatever site they protect. you can lure them to the boundry and fight them where they cannot take a single step further, but also you have full movement.! Thanks for watching ! !
Counter to limb dmg for martial arts is the Asassian rags, as it reduces martial art skill dmg by 100%, although it says only fists it also protects legs for some reason but don’t complain it’s useful all the same as it saves time for you to heal up which is good in case you get jumped by something while waiting for the gorillo or two to heal back up
i don't like raising the efective MA skill level. i think thaa gives a buff to it, a debuff is better for training i think
but that is an interesting observation about the dmg and recovery time. i wounder what is better for speed ?> Thanks Matthias !!
Just got into Kenshi a week ago, will have to try this once I’m done with my ongoing save
Thanks for watching Nate!
The animal bed stuck glitch kind ruins the immersion for me, but almost all the training guides just use this glitch... If I gotta break the immersion,I would just FCS the stat tho.
You can still train kinda good without the bed glitch by just fighting stuff; then work your way up to King Gorillo, Thanks for watching Windflier !
To make it even better, I just got 2 gorilas at the same time, literal 50 dex and kendo in 1h.
you can also do a 3rd with the skeleton bed, it wont heal as fast but you will gain some bonus xp. if you do this with the great white gorrillo it's the best way. Happy Gaming !!
Vain will always my favorite place, i can set up my base very near that hive and no HN or Shek bother me, only dust bandit and black dragon ninja sometimes coming. Now talking about training, theres always some gorillo that volunter as the sparing partner. build a building at least the L house, bring the gorillo up and send my trainee to fight the gorillo. Put all the crew as pasive so nobody would distrub the training session. This is would increase the dexterity, tought, attack, defence , weapon (sabre,katana etc ),strenght,dodge and also medical skill when the gorillo down so the trainee can heal him. and make sure you give the trainee the best armor ,the heavy armor if you can afford it, to avoid any limbs loss or death.
could i possibly recreate this in my own base or with just random rags or i should go to the hive place
yes / most beds work if there is space around them. great white gorillo is one of the best snimals
@@TwistedLogicGaming thanks for the fast reply! Ill try this my next session for sure.
Happy to discover your content. Liked and subbed.
Welcome Kirils !!
I keep trying this and i never get the chance to attack the sleeping gorillo. Tried everything to get jt to work. Reloading healing it movjng it to a different bed. Nothin
also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you.
As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one
@@TwistedLogicGaming ill try that right now
Still didnt work. :(
@@TwistedLogicGaming update it worked after i tried your method 3 more times. Thanks bud!
oh nice, glad you got it. it is a bug after all so some times its hard to do
Trying this with a beak thing, it works, but it's kinda slow due to the fact that I keep beating it into unconsciousness and then have to wait for it to recover. Maybe with a full room of them (in a house or outpost you own) it would be faster. I think you can arrange the beds so your swings hit multiple enemies at once
also that poor girl got named *gargle* lmao
i ended up mix and mashing this with my cat start, going to squint asap, buy a bagpack, go to the shek ruins, loot all the goodies, go to adamag and sell your stuff, stay the night and trin thievery to 50+ (start with easy pickups, drop, unpause, pick up, pause, drop again, rinse and repeat. i arrived in the hive village on day 2 in the morning with about 30k cats and left the hive village on day 4 with strength, dex, martial, stealth and thievery 50+, a backpack and 26k cats.
Excellent ! Happy Gaming Luke Mountainwalker !
Damn!! I really want to try this but I can’t get the gorilla slightly injured
Okay so I got a few slightly injured and managed to get them in a bed but the attack prompt doesn’t show up. Is this only an early game feature?
This can be done at any time with any animal. I have even done this with king gorillo, is you animal snaping to the bed or ragdolling ?
@@TwistedLogicGaming it’s ragdolling most of the time. But it has snapped also. Either way I wasn’t able to attack..
Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. then put it in the bed and it will snap. The Traing Dummy needs to "not unconsices or dead" inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. Hope that helps! make sure block is disabled
@@TwistedLogicGaming I finally got it! thanks so much!
I found a fix if its not working pick up the gorillo, head to the hub and Put it on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload and head back to the hiver village
That is correct, however you don't need to leave the area or save reload. Just the part about picking up the animal after it wakes up. Happy Gaming!!
Thanks for the video.
Happy Gaming Clarence !
has this been patched or something? Option to attack unprovoked is not showing up when they are wounded and in the bed.
glad you got it !! it is a bug after all (another comment in pinned thread )
@@TwistedLogicGaming Wait, so was this patched?
no it was not patched, this still works, it is a bug and sometimes you can't do it the first try.
try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you.
As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one
Sometimes you won’t see the attack option but if it’s in the bed & conscious, you can also right click attack.
Would be possible to strength train with this right? cant train dodge anyway so just wack a traders backpack full of iron on your guy and do all 3
Yes strength xp is equal to encumbrance when using martial arts; however it will slow the MA training speed as you hit harder you will have less hits to KO the dummy.
@@TwistedLogicGaming Ah right yeah, forgot that toughness and strength can mean that you hit a dude for 100+ blunt damage sometimes
@@TwistedLogicGaming So I just tried it with a 28 strength character. I filled a traders backpack up with copper and placed it in my main inventory for 88% encumbrance. I only gained 3 strength levels, but with a single beating of a beak thing and a gorillo I went from 40 martial and DEX to 60. The massive martial arts penalty you get from being that over encumbered (-40) does two things: it boosts your martial gain and makes your strikes WAY weaker. I know this video is over a year old but you should have a look at that
idk if mods can conflict with picking up unconcious animals but I don't get a prompt to pick them up anymore
i never encountered a mod that wont allow that. perhaps close and reopen the game
yea it'll allow me to pick up dead bodies but its really weird its suddenly just not allowing me to do it. I've tried opening and close too.@@TwistedLogicGaming
you can't pick up animals that are KO'ed ?
I cannot, its very strange but I get options for other stuff like looting, and healing it but never picking it up, and I can't find anyone else having this problem on any forum which is why I find it so odd
@@TwistedLogicGaming
just to confirm you are trying this with a beakthng or gorrillo ? leviathans cannot be picked up
Itzs not working, i even heal the gorilla and picked it up and paid for the bed many times, the timer restarts, or it just stay there lying on the bed forever in critical condition and i cant fight it
it is a bug so the correct conditions must be set before it works. 1st Try saving and reloading the game; keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first. Also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up.then put them in the bed and try to train; this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one. The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. added tip is that it is better to train strength after MA training as you will hit harder. Hope that helps! Thank you for watching
the bed can only be paid for once every 24 hours or so
I don't get using exploits and bugs to cheat in Kenshi. At that point just edit your save or use mods.
I don't get grinding 100 hours of bandit fights to level martial and dex. At that point why not just edit your save or use mods.
(Hint: We do it to save time, Kenshi is the runescape of single player rpgs)
I was learning how to get on the speed run leader boards hahahaha
@@yugimotobutjacked3231 I *do* use save edits and mods. Exploits and bugs just seem like a more tedious way to do things less effectively.
@@TwistedLogicGaming That is a completely fair and reasonable rebuttal.
one question kt works for upgrading with the sword im new at kenshi and i dont know, thanks
kt ? this is for Martial arts and Dex! dexterity will help later on with sword work, and you can do this to train swords but with the massive damage from swords it will not be very effective if you are just using a beak thing or gurrillo . you might need a bigger training dummy
is, no kt sorry, ok thanks u have a new sub thanks for the answer
THanks for the support BLK 627 !
So I tried this with 2 beak things. Carried them home to Okran's Pride and got my guy up to martial arts 50 with them. Then I went out to look for better training dummies, and brought home the great white gorillo. I've been training with him for a while now, it's great with so much health, and I can even train my normal weapons on him without KO'ing for a while. BUT, for some reason, this trick stopped working suddenly. I've been following the steps you give in other comments multiple times but it just doesn't work anymore. The only thing I haven't tried is importing, cause I'm scared it will make him disappear.
did you try letting them wake up and then picking up the dummy ? ( basically you heal the dummy so it will wake up then put it on the ground right click and hold the mouse over the "pick up" option and let the dummy wake up then let go of the button to actually pick up the creature. ) that seems to work all the time for me ! Thank you for watching Murkorus !! I hope that helps. (i don't think importing will do anything, but maybe if there is a new mod ? )
@@TwistedLogicGaming I have installed a few mods but I don't think they're the culprits. I've tried multiple different timings. Picking up when unconcious is at 0, picking up right as the animation to stand up begins, picking up as the animation to attack begins, and even letting it hit me once then picking it up. All of those I've also tried saving and loading both after putting it on the ground, carrying it, and putting it in the bed. It's really strange that it just suddenly stopped working..
That is strange. perhaps try Shift+Ctrl+F11 - These couple of buttons fixes a buggy placement of certain buildings and objects thru out kenshi. if that does not work perhaps a different bed or deconstruct the bed and re build it ?
Does this method still works? I tried it with gorillo in bed but I can’t attack it. Even with slightly injured or in critical condition.
yes this still works, is the grrillo ragdolling or snapping to the bed ?
Try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you. (this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one.)
Sometimes you won’t see the attack option but if it’s in the bed & conscious, (mouse should turn red) you can also right click attack.
keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first. and there is room near the bed for MArts.
THank you for watching !!
which mod has the pigtails?
I'm not 100% sure, but here is a full list. its one of these:
TLG Kenshi Mod List:
DARK Vanilla UI
Don't Burst My Ear Drums
Add Shek Hair
Advanced Character Creation - Basic
ACC - Basic - Content Pack 1 ~Sheks with scars & more~
ACC - Basic - Compatibility - ANiceOakTree's Hairstyles
ACC - Basic - Military Craft compatibility
ACC - Basic - Compatibility - Yundao HDT Hair
美形種族追加MOD
美顔EX [Beautiful face EX]
Better_Eyes_for_Greenlander_Female
Faces Plus -Final State-
Faces Plus Addon 1 ~Hives eyecolor texturepack~
Yundao HDT Hairstyles for Kenshi
ANiceOakTree's Hairstyles for Kenshi
Detailed Textures Pack - Faithful
Dialogue Expansion Project
Coloured Clothes Redux
Coloured Clothes Redux +Hair
Armour - Samurai FoxGears
256 Recruitment Limit
Blue skin color Scorchlanders
Talking Beak Things
Alternate Armors.
Bouncing Boobs
Auditory Irritation Dampened
Ninja Tabi Patch
Ninja Tabi
Neon sign mod JP v2
Neon Sign mod EN Patch
is this patched? the animal is in bed but I cant attack it :(
No, it is not patched.
try saving and reloading, keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first.
also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up before they attack you.
As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one
The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. Hope that helps!
@@TwistedLogicGaming thanks, reloading did Help. The animal resetted its Pose and i was able to right click Attack. Attack unprovoked was Not available. :)
I tried this, but I never had the attack unprovoked option. What am I doing wrong?
Block and passive should be off, animal should be alive & awake, if in critical status you will not have the option. You can try saving and reloading
Quick question, any tips on armor for an ma?
For training: try this (you don't need exact matches) Samurai Legplates, Wooden Sandals, Samurai Armour, Tin Can, any shirt(not chainmail). with the training you want to be able to hit as many times as possible with the smallest dmg output. Then once you finished training; Crab helmet, Sleeveless dustcoat,Dark leather shirt,Samurai plate pants,wooden sandals,2x lifter arms, large theft backpack. But really whatever you want to wear. Happy Gaming Humperdoo Saves !!
@@TwistedLogicGaming cheers man. I am still in the hub area. Started the game this week. Crazy fun
I'm also doing a non-exploit let's play, currently we went to every location in the bottom left of the map (1/4th of the world) and are now checking out the top left area! Happy Gaming!
@@TwistedLogicGaming the hive village trick worked lol. So now exploring a bit, got Kang and he'll prolly be a backup / tech researcher or something.
Ma 63, dodge 52, str 36, dex 24....... works well ;)
Excellent !
Gnue... Often thougth about setting up a simple House close and mining in or around Hive village, but this is thinking out side of the box for sure. Dont like Martial arts it to over powered vut thats sweet dex training.
Watched and 👍 Liked
Thanks Gnue! I appreciate the support.
yeah I don't like using martial arts either but it raises dex so crazy fast compared to using weapons
I have an interesting issue, the game where I did this trick my characters pretty much were just completely unable to level thievery lol.
Sounds like a unrelated issue: check out this for Thief info th-cam.com/video/QB3mkANUzzY/w-d-xo.html
@@TwistedLogicGaming well I did this again in another game, might just be my files or something but before I did the glitch I was able to level it up and after doing it I wasn't. On top of that the usual thievery leveling method just wouldn't work (stealing from someone playing dead while game is paused) as even when the game is paused they would notice you're stealing from them and actively say "hey stop that" or something even though the game is paused and they shouldn't be able to. Sometimes stealing from them caused them to go unconscious for 3 seconds while the game was paused as well which was another weird thing.
On games where I haven't performed this glitch everything works as usual though.
This is two different bugs that are unrelated. Trouble shooting the thieves bug is different. You don't always gain skill that way. Once you have someone playing dead try to save and reload. The best place to try is the bar in the hub
Tysm still works 1.0.55
Happy Gaming Kleomakhos !!
Ah yes, the Kenshi equivalent of Rocky training in a meat locker. Later on you can capture an elder beak thing or the great white gorillo to increase the ceiling for good gains and extended sessions. Good method for challenge and gimmick runs, but not very satisfying in regular play since you are not able to see the active progression from wimp to warrior. Worth noting that the beak things and gorillos of Vain are good training for a fresh character regardless, being statistically tough but pushovers with sufficient micro, so there's a worthwhile takeaway for people worried about the immersion breaking aspect.
hahahahaha Yes, you can hit 1 thing 100 times or 100 things 1 time it would be the same. and then the "Stronger Opponent Logic" Thanks for the comment 7four !
my map dont have this village is this a mod village?
I have not changed the map with mods. That is part of the original map
@@TwistedLogicGaming may be its bcs of my mods thx
@@TwistedLogicGaming and ur tactic is still working but after i place the beasts beds i used quick save and load than it worked
Very good and effective method! I would also reccomend to carey something while doing this to boost you strength gain xp by another 25%
You can get your character to 25% strength gain xp encumbering yourself, and in order to go over 25 you need to carry someone which would be a flat 25%
keep in mind that depending on how high you want to go with MA, strength training can slow it down a bit as the dummys will get KO'ed faster. Happy Gaming Oleh!
whenever I do this, it just never wakes up, stays sleeping forever the hell did i do wrong?
Try saving and reloading the game. Also the character should have very low strength or you will hit too hard.
@@TwistedLogicGaming alright, i'll try that thanks
I had to try this several times and kill it then find another.. sometimes using first aid on it
It would be nice to train martial arts passively by training with another team mate... Iron shapens iron after all...
That would be a cool mod if it existed !
You can do this even faster if you take the gorillo to the Rebel Base Bar north of The Hub as the beds will make them recover faster, and are completely free to use, I suggest hiring another character so another can go back to the hive and get more gorillos.
Also, to avoid them rag-dolling out of the bed I suggest one of three things:
1. Put them in a cage then pick them up (or break them out without being seen if you don't own a cage), this will force them to "stand up".
2. Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over them, once they stand up, release right mouse button to pick them up before they attack you.
3. As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "stand" on the bed next time you put them in one.
Once you are skillful enough to take on Iron/Security spiders, you can do this with them on a Repair bed, they heal much faster, especially if you repair them as well as getting some skill points on robotics.
The best punching bags I've found to date though, are the Great White and King gorillos, but I suggest you take them to the slavers, save, then put them in a slave cage until they get "enslaved" (sometimes they get killed tho, so that's why you save), buy them, won't be cheap, 40k each, but they're worth it, and now they will be marked as allies (green cursor), carry them to your base and put them in any bed you own, and just wail at them forever, the good thing about having them marked as allies, is that your units won't go hostile on them and ruin your training by coming to help you beat it, and the gorillos themselves won't go aggro on you either.
Great Info, Thanks for the commet & Thanks for watching !!
thanks for that, worked perfectly, hadn't considered doing this with the spiders before, using the second method worked for them not ragdolling out of bed for me.
You can also use the smuggler's bar in Shem with beak things.
@@EveryTimeV2 Beak Things and other perma-aggro creatures is tricky as other NPCs like guards may come to beat them.
I couldnt get it to work with gorrilos I'd just stick with beak things if I were you.
yeah I have gotten this to work with gorrilos in the past but seem to be more of a pain. when I was doing the speedruns after maybe 10 trys I stopped going for them all together and just focused on the beakthings
I can't pick up beak thing
broken arm?
If this is vanilla level up, then what wrong with mods like Advanced Training ?
Same result but not for free and you need more, probably, time for level up.
yes this is default / vanilla leveling. I have no problem with mods; however right now none of my modes change the game. mostly they are visual mods like colored armor and adding shek hair. Thanks for Watching Gat Play!
I know this is a year old but leveling mods can be incompatible with other mods, especially major overhaul mods like Genesis, and extra start option mods can fuck things up, often without you the player even noticing or at least not till way late into a playthrough as well.
So as a result it can be difficult to speedrun power, and keep immersion at the same time.
Long live Kenshi & LoFi games 🙏
I got a fever... and the only prescription is more Kenshi
who to break the game :D
Assasain rags protect your fist
I thought i was smart by buying a trader backpack, loading it up with copper and run around hehehe.
Tell you what, str, acro, and toughness after being beaten to a pulp numerous times does work hehe.
Just no ma skill.
Time to look at that hive :-)
it is generaly better to train strength after MA so you can get more hits in before KO'ing your dummy. still should be fine.
after you get really high: try to get a elder beak thing or the great white gorillo! Happy Gaming !!
I really like the mod that converts mining to strength and not labouring
Ah, I never used that one. i don't like changing game mechanics too much. I usually like to use the Martial arts strength XP - instead of being capped at 50%, The XP = your encumbrance but only when using MA'. (usually you want to get MA up high first because as strength goes up so does damage and will mean less hits per knock out ~ less chance for XP. Happy Gaming leespiderpod !!
fuck yeah
XD Thanks for watching Medical Crab!
Bed exploits make training weapon mods seem balanced, so if you want a more immersive way, consider installing training weapons instead. That way you at least risk the prisoner escaping.
I agree; I'll check out that mod, Thanks EveryTimeV2 !
update, shit still work
Kenshi is a complete game. K2 is in dev ! !
@@TwistedLogicGaming tks god for these video my guy. I spent almost 15 h in the game and last 5 hour I am techically the Holy punch bag in the Rebirth just to level up my tough stat and MA. Im a new player so currently i dont know anything so i thought this is the only way
you might enjoy this speed run; it's no longer the world record however it's focus is on MA and toughness. th-cam.com/video/1dCeiiODHWk/w-d-xo.html
@@TwistedLogicGaming tks, I need to actually research this game mechanic so i dont die to 3 horde of hungry beggar on the road 🤣
Toughness? th-cam.com/video/mA1WRe0FQHg/w-d-xo.html
A hot chick named "Gargle". I'm digging it. haha
I'm not able to attack animals/npc's in beds at all :/ even after loading save
edit: NVM, it worked with one of the steps in the pinned comment!
I'm glad you got this working erwins_arm !!
Gargle? That's some terrible luck on the name generation.
No option to attack when in bed..
This is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow.
if neither:
1st Try saving and reloading the game; keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first. Also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up.then put them in the bed and try to train.
As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one. The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / added tip is that it is better to train strength after MA training as you will hit harder. Hope that helps; Thank you for watching!
@@TwistedLogicGaming I just tried it. Got it to “snap to” in bed. The same bed in your video. But still no option to attack. Even with save/load. Maybe I’m doing something wrong.
@@satellite2696 does your mouse turn red? that is the same as "attack target" if so click mosue LMK / the creature must also not be knocked out. you might need to do some medical. once you get it you should understand and be able to do it all the time. but some beds are weird
Aaaaaaand this just get patched...fuck
no it didn't. what update
This is a bug, and you will not get it right the first time you try
no it doesnt work
This does work however it is a bug so the correct conditions must be set before it works. 1st Try saving and reloading the game; keep in mind you can't use every bed in the game. make sure a normal char can use the bed first. Also try this: Put them on the ground, just before they're about to regain consciousness, right click and hold over "pick up" , once they stand up, release the mouse button to pick them up.then put them in the bed and try to train.
As you are carrying them, save the game, then reload, this will make them "snap to" the bed next time you put them in one. The Traing Dummy needs to be not unconsices or dead inorder to attack them / this is a bug after all, so you might have an attack target in the menu or you might not and just have a red arrow. added tip is that it is better to train strength after MA training as you will hit harder. Hope that helps! Sorry I was not at my PC before; Thank you for watching!
Think they patched this out. Can’t get it to work at all
it is not patched it's a bug and hard to get right