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I havn´t seen your awnser but my guess is. If we are talking about today. If youtube are still around. three flights a week. I think your grandkids have to make the video of the first faital crasch.
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You're spot on with sample size. Especially because it doesn't consider demographics as far as I know. For example, first class might be biased towards older and wealthier passengers, who struggle more to evacuate in a smoke filled cabin, while the back seats are filled with younger budget minded travelers. Just one hypothetical example of biases that might exist in data.
@@MentourNow My unprofessional guess is that aviation is just too safe in general to really find conclusive and reliable extrapolations on individual locations in particular!
Survivorship bias is probably huge here. For example the note about the middle seat being more likely to survive fits in my mind. Since that is a less desirable seat from a comfort perspective it is more likely to be assigned to a passenger that didnt pay for seat assignment. So someone likely younger that is more price sensitive. Beyond that the note about the turkish flight where overwing passengers had a far more survivable experience may also just be survivorship bias. Young and healthy people are more resilient to injury in the first place, can survive more sever injury, and airlines ensure people sitting in exit rows are physically capable of operating the emergency exit equipment, so anyone who is incapable (i.e. more vulnerable) of operating the exit will not sit there. I'd love to see studies that isolate low cost carriers with unassigned/zoned seating and see how they differ compare to traditional carriers after normalizing for passenger age.
@@aliyousuf2342 Or the middle seat is occupied by the confused traveler who checks in at the last minute, when nothing else is left (how exactly that would help survive a crash, I can't quite explain), or the experienced traveler, who doesn't care one way or another (and who has read the safety instructions a hundred times before). Many of them, I would expect, are taken by people traveling with family, maybe with the more experienced traveler taking the middle seat, leaving for instance the window seat to their child or the aisle seat to their partner, either way giving them a very high motivation to get not only themselves but their companion out of the airplane as fast and safely as possible. Or maybe it's just travelers with short legs, which would definitely be an advantage in most evacuations. Of course the middle seat by itself introduces a selection bias as not all rows fill up equally, and empty seats are likely to be middle seats either towards the very end of the plane or concentrated in various sections of the plane depending on seat assignment policies and pricing. I think we can quickly come up with more reasons to sit - or not sit - in the middle seat, than there were crashes in the sample. :D
With regard to the orientation of seats, in the early nineties I had some involvement with the construction of free-fall lifeboats. They first tried the (logical?) backward facing seats but found that forward facing is actually safer, I think it had to do with stresses on the test dummies bodies. The whole point of seat orientation in a boat which 'crashes' on purpose and in a controlled way, is somewhat different to an uncontrolled crash of an aeroplane but still...
"The only casualties were a couple of phones and the t-shirt of a young passenger sitting in the window seat in front of the door plug ... and well, of course, Boeing's reputation I guess."😂
One thing that surprised a many people was the undamaged state of the phones. Likely due to these phones reaching terminal velocity and ending up in a flat orientation. Whilst one dropped from about a 1-2 metres can easily impact corner first.
It's interesting that the chances of survival during an evacuation from a burning plane might be linked to the culture of the people on board. Some strictly follow the instructions, while others try to save their bags.
Yep, like happened on the Moscow airport fire, where the plane landed with a fire on board, while the people started grabbing their bags resulting in many fatalities.
it's a bit worrying - having seen on my last few flights with Ryanair how some passengers cannot even follow the stewards instructions to "please remain seated until the aircraft comes to a complete stop"... ""SIT DOWN" etc etc after landing.
Some time back I was deplaning a 757 through the door near the center of the aircraft. This meant that many passengers go out rearward and I was one of them. The guy ahead of me yanked his backpack from the overhead and headed rearward. As he did one of the straps looped an armrest and before I could pull it free for him, it stopped him in his tracks. As i had seen it I already had stopped so he could easily release it. As he did I commented: "And that's just one reason to leave carry on baggage behind in an emergency." His reply was unsettling: "My stuff comes with me, **** everyone else."
I think unfair. I put everything I cannot afford to lose in my carry on backpack. Lufthansa (Frankfurt) baggage carriers cost a friend much inconvenience and £2,000. It is a normal business rucksack, so far from max dimensions, and the carriers I use seldom check its weight. One time both my checked in case and backpack each weighed 12 kg. If is easier encumbered with an awkward heavy rucksack to say "everyone" than "untrusty baggage handlers (and their management) plus the passenger who, albeit innocently, lowered his armrest".
I'm showing my age, but when I was a child, I lived in Germany as my father was a British Army Officer but went to boarding school in England. We kids were transported on mass at the beginning and end of each school holiday on an RAF VC 10 (I believe?) from RAF Gutersloh to Luton airport, and all the seats were facing backwards. It just seemed completely normal to us kids! I was quite surprised when I took my first 'normal' flight in a 'civilian' commercial aircraft, and the seats faced forwards!😂
As Petter pointed out there is a commercial consideration with extra weight from the strengthening of the backrests to withstand the lever moment from a crash. I assume that wasn't a problem with military transport.
@@66moonrakeryeah I think that's just standard wording for "too much of a hassle".......much like the "justification" as to why cockpit voice recorders are unable to record more than an hour......the exact same time as a 70 year old magnetic tape technology. (Although it's possible pilot unions have something to do with that particular issue)
My grandfather was a doctor in the RAF during the war and was one of the first medical personnel to respond to the fatal crash on an Avro York on the base where he was deployed. The report that he subsequently wrote on the accident was at least partially responsible for the RAF later deciding to install rearward-facing seats on their transport aircraft.
Thanks for this. My Dad was known as Mr. Black Box and was involved with accident investigation at the National Research Council of Canada and later with ICAO. Watching your vlogs brings back so many memories of his work to improve flight safety.
So avoiding all of the suvirvorship bias studies, the best place to sit is to know in advance the type of crash you will be in and choose the other side of the plane.
"Act professionally, even if you are a passenger!" Although subtle, that's a great advice! It's incredible to see the lack of respect some passengers have with those responsible for their lives during the safety briefings. Thanks for this video!
Yeah, I don't get those sort of people acting abusive to stewards as service staff. Not only because I cannot relate to dismissing service staff, but also because those stewards, way beyond just the safety briefings (trust me, I'm tall enough to be asked often enough to sit next to the emergency exits to see the stewards across from me do a bit more), invisibly but primarily serve your safety and security! Be nice to people, and not just because it might save your life. That being said, even being more of a train traveller, my assumption is that, like with trains, air travel is way too safe to make reliable predictions on the safety of specific places. So I just like to sit in a window seat with a look onto the rear of the wings to see the pilots do their magic! :D
Yeah it can be.....but another way of looking at that is that he's telling me to act as if the airline are paying me a lot of money, even though I'm paying them.
Thanks Petter and team. As a patreon, my 10 year old son and I were talking about this last night as we flew home on your old company from Dublin to Vienna - and this adds lovely data (and proves our anchoring bias of always wanting to sit at the back…) Also, in my role as a senior UN official, you added real value to how I teach teams about risk (especially Reason’s Swiss Cheese model). So thanks for doing what you do - it has vastly more reach and impact than you could possibly imagine! Happy New Year Neil Vienna
@@MentourNow Obviously you don't fly business class with Singapore Airlines where you get an 'air bag' and a three point seat belt, close to the exits and fewer people trying to use the exit.
It's all circumstantial. This is something he didn't bring out in the video. The best thing you can do for yourself is to stick with reputable airlines. If an accident happens, you stand a pretty good chance of survival. After that, it depends upon the circumstances. Front-back-window-asile-center - it depends upon the situation. In this regard, he did a disservice to his audience and the flying public. I think that this was a terrible video in that respect.
I remember seeing in a documentary about the Kegworth crash that the fact the plane hit a sloping motorway embankment actually saved MANY lives. So many on board were alive but unable to evacuate the werckage due to leg and ankle injuries, but the steep slope meant that the spilling aviation fuel drained away down onto the motorway, rather than feeding a fire that would have killed everyone trapped. I must admit that although I love flying and do so generally feeling very safe the ONLY time I have ever been given pause is at that point where I am in my seat and the aisles are full of people loading - and I've suddenly thought 'God, imagine this if there was a fire and everyone was frantically trying to get out' - suddenly the aisle seemed very narrow, the seats very cramped...
IMHO, best seats are the front ones. In case the plane are going down, beverage carts goes forward ! So you hast a last chance for get a free drink! Cheers!
If you have something that you absolutely have to take with you during an evacuation like medication, phone, wallet, passport etc (small items) then either put them in your pockets, put them in a jacket with pockets you can wear during takeoff/landing or a small bum bag you can clip around your waist and can go under the seat in front of you. No excuse to open up the locker and grab your suitcase full of mostly clothes
i have a little backpack thats the size of a sandwich. Passport, meds and my toothbrush go in there, phone, wallet and earbuds stay in the pockets, and im planning on adding a small roll of bandages next time i fly. Stays on me at all times on the plane. No idea why its not common practice.
In the Sioux City crash many fatalities were babies who had to put on the floor as they were “lap children”. One of the cabin crew started a campaign to disallow lap children but it was calculated that this would lead to more families driving across America. The greater accident rate for car journeys would vastly out weigh any lives saved from no more lap children.
I'm one of those who does try to count the rows to the nearest exit. I also like to know where the life vest is, so put my hand under the seat to check and if I can't find it, I'll ask the crew. An old adage often attributed to Benjamin Franklin - 'to fail to prepare is to prepare to fail'.
Exits can be blocked. It's important to remember that most exits on either side are directly across from another exit. If that's not the case, make a mental note. Also, it makes sense to figure out how far it is to the nearest forward and the nearest aft exit. And remember that in most cases, floor lights will indicate where the exit rows are. Remember also that smoke typically rises, so if the cabin is smoky, stay low. Crawl if you have to.
I always note nearest 4 exits and where in general terms others are. I don't count rows though because no reason to think that under stress I will remember. I would follow the lighting straps (by feel if needed) though.
Another great job Petter! Particularly timely given the recent incident in South Korea in which the only two survivors were crew in the aft. Great in depth review of the data. Thank you!
My mother is a fire fighter so checking where the closest exits are is second nature to her. So I was not surprised that she informed me (on her first ever flight) immediately upon reaching our seat that we were 6 rows behind the closest exit.
For those who need to carry medication on you at all times (i.e. insulin for Type 1 Diabetes) its SUPER important to make sure this is on your person at all times of the flight and not in your hand luggage. Even a small chest bag strapped on if you don't like too much stuff in your pockets (and passports for that matter!). You really don't want to be in a strange country with no documentation and no life-crucial medication following an emergency diversion and evacuation.
@@CaptainKremmenluck favours the prepared. The odds of it happing to anyone are slim to none anyway. Most evacuations arent preceeded by a notice period where you can walk around freely.
After a crash, you would be checked by medical personnel and you might be in a hospital. They would get you anything you need. You don't need to carry your medications. Do you really think you will run out of insulin in a hospital and need to bring your own? More likely is that your extra bag catches on something or you move slowly and fall awkwardly because you are carrying something you don't need.
@@Tialano I mostly avoid bulkhead seats, so that my backpack is under the seat in front of me. That's mostly so I can get to my laptop, but it also means everything else of value is within reach. If the notice period isn't enough to grab things from my bag at my feet, we're goners anyhow.
Thank for your videos. I used to fly quite a bit as a consultant and corporate employee. I've experienced missing my plane twice, lots of delays, forgotten cards, cell phone and money in a taxi and running all over Skopje airport there and back through security with support staff. Once I collapsed while descending at CDG and was taken off the plane by ambulance. I also got pneumonia on a business trip in Greece from a combination of a cold, air conditioning and hotel air conditioning. A colleague who was originally a doctor was then afraid to fly with me (so he wouldn't have to rescue me). And I once experienced a medical emergency landing, thankfully not because of me. On the way from FRA to SEA a very big lady collapsed luckily almost on the back door of the Airbus. We had to come down in Calgary, Canada. The paramedics from the Canadian police added steps to the emergency stand and carried her out to the ambulance without too much trouble. But then it was a matter of what to do next, it was clear we needed to refuel. And for a while, the captain, in his own words (he told us more in German than English), argued with the tower about whether he could refuel the plane with passengers on board, or whether we would have to wait for a free sleeve at the terminal. And then we'd be dropped off and board again after refueling. And who knows if we won't have to go through security again. In the end, it was decided that with passengers in their seats, WITHOUT BELTS, with the doors open in the front and back, with stairs to the aircraft attached, we could refuel. Then we flew the bit to SEA for about an hour.
I once saw a comedian make a joke about this: His rational was that the safest seat was away at the back: "Because he never saw a plane reverse into a mountain". But then the pressure bulkhead is back there, and sometimes these blow out.
If it’s the same guy I’m thinking of, the quote was “because they don’t normally reverse into hills”. Next line was something like, if you’re going for ultra safety, you need to find out under which seat they’ve put the black box, because if that’s the only bit they expect to get back, you want to be attached to it. David Gunson, 1982. Man, I enjoyed that bit endlessly back in the 80s when WCLV would play it on their Saturday night show.
Was on a rather turbulent approach into Chicago O'Hare on a Delta flight, meanwhile the METAR into Midway was showing windshear so I was getting nervous about diverting. Felt like an empty tin can in the breeze how we were getting bounced around up there. Getting close to the ground and I heard the engines spool up to TOGA and the 738 pitched up as I got to experience my first go-around. I've always been deeply into flying and aviation, and I was excited about it -- I realize it could be scary for some nervous flyers out there, but thanks in part to this channel, I knew there had to be a good safety reason for the go-around. Turns out the plane ahead of us landed long and was still occupying the runway. After climbing we re-entered the pattern and touched down about 10-15mins after. Just glad it wasn't windshear 😅
Just landed today in 100km/h + windspeed. Heard the engines spool up several times, I thought we were going around too. Right over the wing in a Boeing at the emergency exit I was already a bit nervous remembering the video of the door flying off. But now I could see the pilot constantly adjusting the ailerons as we were getting jerked in all directions right until touching the runway. I was glad that I know a lot about the procedures. I think I'd have been way more disturbed without that knowledge.
My first ever flight was a go-around. The reason was it was an Air Force flight with a pilot who was practicing landings and go-arounds (known as "circuits and bumps") and they'd put a bunch of us cadets in the plane for the experience.
I always check where the nearest exits are... but I never bothered to count how many seats there are between myself and said exit. I'm gonna do that now. Thanks Petter!
I totally agree, first of all. I work in the industry (albeit, on FFS), but I lost a friend on the LionAir 610 crash which you covered, as well as one on SIA006 in Taiwan (not sure if you covered that one, but it's certainly an interesting one.) Having said that, on the latter, my friend died getting people out the door on to safety,, before the nose part collapsed and he fell into the inferno below. It's part of why I'm taking my part of the job very seriously. Thanks Petr!
In the recent Jeju Air 2216 crash (which probably happened after the script for this video was written), the only two survivors in that accident were crew members who were in their jumpseats in the tail of the aircraft, behind the regular passenger area. Everything in front of them was destroyed when that plane impacted the wall at the end of the runway, and took the lives of everyone there along with it. I think ultimately it depends on how the airplane crashes; if it impacts nose-first, then obviously the rear of the airplane would be safer. But if the impact is more towards the side or rear, then things obviously would be different.
I flew Qatar Airways in a Qsuite last year, the seatbelt actually had an airbag incorporated into it. That was a forward facing seat, on the return trip I was in a rear facing seat, which didn't have the airbag.
3:22 - a guy just chilling on a plane with his shirt off. Memories of my Army days, all stuffed into the back of a C130 with no seats. Just grab onto a bit of the cargo nets.
I forget where I heard this from specifically, but an executive travel agent was talking about booking flights for CEOs and celebrities. I distinctly remember them saying that the rows of seats where the turboprop blades were located are "blocked out" in their booking software. So those are the only seats I try and avoid 😂.
Thanks for sharing this information @MentourNow! I like your summary of prioritizing the safety of the passengers inside of a plane, whether it is an incident/accident or just a normal average flight, rather than answering the question of which seat on a plane is the safest during an incident/accident. Truly indeed, listening carefully and attentively to the instructions of the cabin crew and electing not to carry hand luggage with you during an evacuation is paramount to everyone's safety onboard the plane.
Aggregate studies of airplane accidents will always be problematic because accidents are so comparitively rare that the statistical samples are too low to draw any firm conclusions.
I’ve been told (by cabin crew) some simple things to do on every flight: Keep your shoes on below 10,000ft. During takeoff and approach/landing, place your feet on the floor with your ankles just behind you knees and your hands on top of your knees - in the event of an unexpected rapid deceleration your bodyweight (through your arms and hands) transfers onto your knees and stops your legs from flying forwards into the seat in front, so you stand (sic) a far better chance of walking off rather than needing to be carried off with a broken lower leg bone.
I have never taken off shoes during a flight. I had no idea anyone would do that. Same with seatbelts, except for the rare times I need to use the bathroom, I stay buckled in. It amazes me that people don't do this. It's rare, but people get seriously injured from not being buckled in when hitting turbulence.
I used to work in oil and gas and go offshore. As part of that we did helicopter underwater escape and survival training, plus I did freefall lifeboat training for Norway. A few points that I’ve carried into general travel are, 1. Know your exits (and try and sit as close to one as possible), 2. Even if it’s hot, wear sufficient clothing (long pants and ideally sleeves), 3. Seatbelt always fastened, and for T/O and landing, securely fastened means TIGHT - much tighter than most would think.
While counting seats and figuring out which is the nearest exit is logical/wise consider one would need to look at what percentage of events requiring using the evacuation chutes resulted in ll doors being available and opened. No point going towards a door that isn't opened vecause there is fire outside, or door inoperable. And if you are the only one wanting to go to the back to exit, you also have to fight the crowd in aisle that is insisiting on going forward. So in the end, one needs to follow the loud guidance from flight attendants who will direct you to the nearest AVAILABLE exit.
I have been flying (as a passenger) since about 1965. Back then the 1st class on a DC6 was the very back of the plane (Capital/United AL). The explanation I got on my very first flight was it was safest in the event of a crash.
Same here - DC-6 sit in the back - I think DC-8s as well. But subsequently, I looked at some early accidents where the tail departed the AC on impact and the survivors were not in the rear.
Videos like this are extremely helpful in understanding the safety of flight. As a passenger this encourages me to be an active participant in ensuring I do what I can to make myself and others as safe as I can.
I definitely looked up some of those same articles online once upon a time, and the discomfort of being in the very back of the plane did *nothing* to help my nerves. Your channel, however, has done wonders ! It's hard(er) to fear what you understand.
It seems, most likely you just don't want to be in the parts of the airplane that actually break apart because, instead of having rigid airplane around you, it's just you and whatever ground you find. Arguably, the wing spar is the strongest part of the airplane. There's a lot of structure there, between the wing spar, landing gear and a lot of rigidity. The fuel is a concern. But that's a concern everywhere in the airplane. You're close to the wing exits, and midway to the other exits if any of them is blocked. I do know where the exit is, just in case. I also find it the most comfortable part of the plane to sit in, which is far more important. The noise of the engines is behind and shielded by the fuel in the wing. And a picture of the wing always looks nice.
One major concern for me is all the drunk people onboard, especially on charter trips. I flew to Canary islands two week ago and I was stunned! There were so many people who was really drunk! One other thing, all the bottles in plastic bags (taxfree) standing on the floor.... Great video again. As always!
Indeed. I would never drink alcool before or during a flight. It would be impossible to act appropriate in an emergency being in this state of incapacitation.
Juliane Koepcke's story is really very interesting. A lot of her survival was due to the fact that she learned skills from living with her parents in the Peruvian jungle.
Indeed. She wrote a book about her experience with LANSA Flight 508: Juliane Koepcke/ Beate Rygiert: Als ich vom Himmel fiel (When I felt out of the Sky). Munich 2011.
Her mother was one of the people who survived the crash but succumbed later to their injuries. She wasn't in her seat when Juliane woke up after the crash so, presumably, her injuries would have been severe.
Count (and remember) the rows to your nearest exit and always wear your seatbelt, especially on the way to the airport in your car, since thats the most likely place to die flight related
The first was in the video and we all know the second. Make sure you don't die in the bathtub or shower before leaving for the airport? Chew carefully so you don't choke to death over breakfast? Any more, Captain Obvious?
Retired firefighter with AFR experience as well as an aviation enthusiast here. When I fly I always wear cotton or wool clothing head to toe, leather hightop lace up boots, and keep my important documents in my pockets. I also request a window seat at an over wing exit and usually get it.
I seem to remember hearing that a study after the Manchester airport fire showed that people who actually listened to the safety briefing had a much higher chance of survival. One of the points was that those who didn't listen often resort to muscle memory during evacuation which is more familiar with car seatbelts and they loose valuable seconds fumbling at their side looking for the latch.
I like sitting just behind the wing on either side, gives me the most comfort, my dad was an aviation engineer at one point or another before he got married, so i always talk to him about seeing the different movements of the wing and it gives me comfort to see the wing and know its still there. I am incredibly scared of flying but i travel a decent amount for work. So watching this really gave some comfort for how much the aviation industry puts in to keeping people safe and how much they put in to learn from mistakes to make everything safer. Thank you ❤
Aircraft safety is so strange. They tell you to do stuff like mentally plan your exit route in case of emergency, so effectively dream up a scenario in which your life is in danger, but don't give you a four point harness because that'll hurt my feelings! Great video I just can't wrap my head around that
I read a book called “Beyond the Black Box” by George Bibel. It’s a treasure trove of the physics and engineering of airplane safety and crashes and the measures humans have invented to make them more survivable. It posits that crash landings most typically involve the fuselage breaking into three sections, and confirms that the front section takes a brunt of the forces (whether nose up or nose down) and the over wing section takes the next amount of forces only because the fuselage at that point is not as structurally sound due to the wing spars (edit: it has less of a “crumple zone”) and aft landing gear and fuel tank spaces making it less “fortified” in those areas. And finally, the tail section is the most survivable statistically. But it ultimately emphasizes the incredible safety record of airliners compare to our more individualistic transportation options.
Back in the day, SouthWest had some seats that were facing backwards. I remember traveling for work with some people who I was working with, and we sat together. I sat in one of the seats facing backwards.
This video points out the big difference in coverage of aviation incidents and accidents elsewhere or on Petter's channels. You can tell that he knows the industry and, despite covering the incidents and accidents that happened in amazing detail, he (unlike other outlets) always keeps pointing out that they are incredibly rare in the first place. And when he mentioned ho much more likely it is to be involved in an accident while driving to the airport, my mind was like "yeah, and if that happens, the biggest news coverage there is probably a traffic report on local radio stations indicating that you need to expect delays on that route", compared to aviation incidents that have zero injuries and are still known worldwide. I don't sit in exit rows much, as I usually travel in seats towards the front of the plane. But when I do, and I get asked by the crew about assisting in case of an evacuation, I let them know that I am a former firefighter (which I indeed am). Usually that is something they really like to see...
I have actually been in a serious injury accident on the drive to the airport. Didn’t block the road, and there was no mention of it in the news whatsoever 🤷♀️
I’ve noticed that different airlines suggest slightly varied brace positions in their safety videos, like where to place your hands-putting your hands over your head, putting them on the seatback in front of you, grasping your ankles, or wrapping your arms under your legs, etc.. Does it make much difference? Why isn’t there a universal recommendation?
In response to your question shortly after starting: The first fatal flight was a friend of the Wright brothers in the late 1910s, I don't know the 2nd, though as I recall Knute Rockney's crash was the end for wooden frames, and the grand canyon crash in the 50s was the end of relatively uncontrolled airspace, but I expect that the time between crashes has gotten longer and longer, even as planess got to the hundreds of passengers/flightmark. The one thing I dislike about sitting at the back, is that the tradeoff is safety vs bumpiness that is more likely to make one motion sick.
The first fatal flight indeed happened on 9. August 1896 near Berlin. Flight pioneer Otto Lilienthal lost his life after his plane crashed in Stölln am Gollenberg. He succumbed on 10.August 1896 due to injuries.
The Grand Canyon crash was the end of commercial airliners deviating for sightseeing purposes. And they recently banned all sightseeing flights over the Grand Canyon. It is an exceptionally dangerous place to fly.
Maybe you could do an episode that features a lot of the people that go into a flight that are often not thought of or mentioned. I would love a glimpse into the jobs and responsibilities of flight attendants, cleaning crew, fuelers, baggage handlers, and other ramp workers, etc. Love the channel!
Having worked in aircraft factories nearly 30 years, knowing how their structures are put together, my bet is on window seats just ahead of, and just behind, the wing.
@@wiredforstereo Well, it happened on the Alaska flight mentioned in this video, but thankfully noone was in the row. In reality, accidents don't happen at all, but if we're comparing against rare occurences it's relevant.
Aloha 243, any seat was a good seat to be in on this particular flight. One casualty, a flight attendant who was blown out because she was standing when a section of the roof tore away.
As someone who is dependent on a wheelchair, my fear isn't necessarily the crashing of the airplane but that I won't be able to get out. I have no fear of flying, I've flown tens of thousands of miles in my lifetime.
Looking at Juliane Koepcke's story, I was interested to see it was documented by Werner Herzog in his film "Wings of Hope". He was supposed to be on the same flight but his plans changed at the last moment.
Good advice re. checking where the emergency exits are. Similar advice was given to me by a fire safety officer when checking into a hotel to always look where the exits are (often a plan on the back of the door). It came in handy when there was a fire alarm in the middle of the night in the hotel I was staying in. I was confident I knew where to go and was able to direct other guests too.
Exactly!! I've seen that so often it's scary. Sometimes pilots have to tap on the brake's taxying to the terminal. That shows the passengers standing up, what it would feel like if he really had to brake. I've seen passengers tumbling down the aisle or hit their heads on the ceiling if the airplane gets into turbulence and they do not have their seatbelts fastened. Don't give me the "it's faster to get out of the seat if your seatbelt isn't fastened" crap. The speed at wich you can unbuckle your seatbelt doesn't matter if you have a broken neck.
Peter, thank you for creating a community that wouldn't have existed as uniquely as it does with you leading it! I also wonder if this video was made after the Jeju Air incident? Nevertheless, even though it was after that incident, this video feels like a warm hug. Thank you again for all the amazing content on your channels! Best wishes from Mumbai!
Hello Petter! Great advice! As for carry-on items, if you have PRESCRIBED medications, grab them. If you have a laptop or camera, carry the SD cards in your wallet or pocket, but leave the camera/computer behind.
As a career commercial commuter pilot part of my job was to give the safety briefing. I was always pleased when a passenger actually listened and paid attention to what I was saying. When people cry about how flying should be safer I always ask if they paid attention to the passenger briefing on their last flight and the answer is usually that they have heard it before and know what to do. They are usually surprised to hear that in the event of a survivable crash those passengers who followed along on the passenger briefing for that flight had a 12% greater chance of survival than those who didn’t. On every one of my flights in a 14 seat aircraft at least ONE passenger couldn’t open their seatbelt and that is in a stationary non rushed well light deplaning! Thank god I had my own exit so I could get out to open their seatbelt and doors for them. Watch the briefing,count your rows to the exits and read the briefing cards, it may save your life!
I will admit to not always paying attention to the safety briefing. I do check the safety card for some details like what exits can be used in water landings, and some other details that can be bug surprises. I will also say though that the modern entertainment safety briefings sometimes have pitfalls thst manually given ones don't have including the potential of enforcing the wrong behaviors.
@@WorldTravelerCooking Most safety cards are pathetically unclear when it comes to where to place one's feet. It is after all useful to be able to at least hobble during a rushed evacuation. Most just seem to leave them vertical. Mentour suggests wedging them slightly back. Even this is not brilliant as cannot see that it will be sufficient to stop the feet swinging out and smashing themselves on the seat in front. Putting them touching the seat ahead would be awkward but probably best for them? I suspect the best compromise is to wedge them more, so at least slightly further back (though always keeping the feet flat on the floor). So yes, great, after looking at numerous safety cards I am still unclear.
@@MartinChadwick-xe7gh My brother is a retired ATCO, and a friend of his is a doctor who studied the Kegworth injuries, and was instrumental in persuading airlines to get people to put their feet back, because broken tib/fib is the result of your feet flying forwards and whacking your shins on the seat in front. As there's usually a downward component to the force on impact (from the actual crash and your own body flexing downwards) it tends to keep your feet where they are and means you can walk out instead of having to be rescued.
Mentor pilot presented a well structured approach in aircraft survival in regard to seating placement plus other survival aspects of evacuation, etc. However, one aspect not mentioned was changing seas when in flight. I worked for TWA back in the day, and at that time there was a hard fact position taken that not to change seating assignments. Perhaps today that thinking has no bearing. Secondly, anything important that one would need to get carry-on luggage during an evaluation either carry it on you or place it in check-in luggage or send it by other means rather than on the plane. Great presentation Mentour 24:59
I was not surprised when I heard that all people survived that JAL crash. People of Japan are well known for their discipline and they were taught how to survive disaster situation (fire, earthquake etc.) since childhood.
Every accident video I've watched on your channel left me feeling better about airplanes instead of the contrary. Especially the one with the Ethiopian Airlines intoxicated pilots whose plane looked like it wouldn't crash if the pilot was a toddler. It shows how much things have to go wrong before anything bad happens while just a second of inattention can cause a fatal car accident. For this, I feel much safer as a plane passenger than I do on the road while so many drivers are looking down at their phones.
It all depends but for crashlandings being in the rear of the plane is safer. Most likely wont have the same amount of geforces crushing the structural part as the front absorbs most of it. same thing with cars these days where the front crumples to lower the forces on the cab. The rear will usually break apart from the plane where the rest of the plane still has all the jetfuel cooking it when it finally gets to a stop.
Possibly true, but you're really talking about improving your odds by infinitesimal amounts and random events cut that even more. Statistically you might improve your chances of surviving a fall from the top of the Empire State Building by flapping your arms on the way down, on the basis that its better to hit the ground at 119.8 mph than 120, but your chances of survival are barely more increased than the chances of a massive delivery of crash mats passing by underneath you. The statistical differences you're talking about are so small as to be almost meaningless.
Many, many years ago, I worked with Civil Aviation in Australia. I remember one of our aircraft accident investigators saying that the first question he was ALWAYS asked (upon someone learned that's what he did), was "where is the safest seat in the aircraft". After sometime of trying to seriously answer the question, with people not really liking exactly the sort of answer you came up with here, he worked out a nice, simple response. "Well, I am yet to investigate an aircraft reversing into a mountain". Does it actually answer the question? Of course not. But it did give him time to change the subject ... or run away from that person.
The airline industry is really a great example of engineering in practice. The amazing safety record of commercial aviation is truly remarkable, the facts show that it really is the safest method of transportation. My brain still gets nervous when flying even though I know it’s so safe. Also I suffer a bit of claustrophobia and so I really don’t like being stuck in economy class. It would be easier if I was a rich person. 😂 Thanks for the great videos. ❤
I'm a jaded flyer by now and not normally bothered by anything, but once I was on a flight from Boston to London on Virgin Atlantic where the seat pitch was so tight it was actually alarming. Not the best way to cross an ocean.
It is worth noting that the trees in the Amazon were so thick that they also slowed the descent of the row of seats she was in as well so it was falling at a slower rate when it impacted the ground. And honestly, that's probably the only reason anyone survived the fall in the first place. It's just unfortunate that she was the only one to survive until she was found.
She was the only person not too severely injured to even attempt to survive and get out of there. Most of the people who initially survived the crash, her mother included, were probably all dead before she even regained consciousness. And that's the salient point here. While others may have technically survived the impact, it is probable she is the only one who ever even regained consciousness.
Plz allow me to add some advice I got from my father re aircraft passenger safety. My Dad retired from Eastern Airlines in the early 70's after working with Eastern for about 35 years. He started out as licensed mechanic but later in a position that required his occasional involvement in "cleaning-up after/repairing" damaged/crashed planes. His overall advice was to sit in the aft section of the plane whenever possible. Fortunately, I, nor anyone in my family, ever had the opportunity to stress test his recommendation.
Some years ago I was driving back to Milan Malpensa airport, with my family after a wonderful holiday. There was a container truck in front of me and suddenly I saw it wobbling. One of his back tyres shredded off in long straps and barely missed our car.
Sitting on the back seat of the airplane I could barely breathe, on one occasion, because of the smell of urine from the lavatory. I take my chances and sit elsewhere when I can. Also, I love the window seat, I like to put my GPS on the phone and mark where the airplane is from time to time. This I do by putting the mobile near the window. Then I would have a record of where I passed. And yes, I know I can watch it on the seat screen or download from flight radar back home, I still love to do this.
As far as the brace vs no-brace thing, well, yeah, you might get ankle or knee injuries from it, or crack a rib, but crucially you can still function with injuries like that. It's gonna suck, but you can still move. If you break your spine or skull, you're just not moving under your own power at that point. You're unconscious or incapacitated and that's a lot worse than having to drag yourself out of a crash on a bad leg.
@mentournow I'm glad that this video exists but I do have a question as a disabled person that needs to use a walking stick to get around...what is correct procedure to take in an emergency for someone with mobility issues?
Use the cane up to the slide and leave it on the floor inside the plane out of the way? Travel with a buddy and hold on? Hope adrenaline will get you through? It's an important question. Is there a video on that?
@653j521 from my last flight a year ago there's only videos/instructions for abled bodied people and those with children/babies but nothing for people with mobility issues...most flight attendants also tell me to stow my walking stick in the overhead cabin during take off and landing...i usually ask the flight attendants whenever I board a plane but I usually don't really get an answer to it lol.
If you've ever been in an emergency, how did you respond? If you responded well, you'll remember. If you froze or panicked, you won't. I was in a (vehicle) rollover, and first thing I did was reach for the ignition to turn the engine off (and cut off the fuel supply).
Re evacuation and going out the way you came in, the only time I was in a real emergency evacuation (on an oil platform) this is exactly what happened. During the weekly drills, we were not allowed to use the emergency doors. Go figure...
In 1969, flying into Eugene, Oregon on a DC-9 the pilot landed on a taxiway and stopped with the nose of the airplane within a few feet of a chain link fence. it was about 25 minutes before the plane was moved to its place near the terminal. The DC-9 first generation had 2,250 fatalities and 107 hull losses. 1979, Flying into Dallas - Fort Worth on a prop plane, starting at about 1500 feet the plane side slipped (right wing about 20 degrees below the horizon with nose about 30 degrees left of flight path). Are most Airline crashes due to human error or mechanical failure?
Thanks for video. For me a non flyer it comes down to knowing I don't know many people or any that care enough or are capable enough to do the flying, maintenance, flight logistics etc. Add the level of appearance of control you give up as a passenger. And sure not many accidents happen. But so many can be unsurvivable. Not many busses or trucks go down my road. Not all that many cars do. So if I ran the clock plus the time it takes to walk across the road it's super safe and unlikely to matter if I stop and look before I cross. But the consequences make me a total fool if I don't watch and just walk across. Of course I'm an anxious person and don't like being around people either.
At our cabin crew training (UK airline) we are told to not bother telling people to drop their bags if they brought them, but we are also told it's OK to push them a lot harder down the slide as a punishment, as a joke of course.
@leroypenn558 Our safety PAs mention leaving things behind all the time but the airline realises if someone's stupid enough to grab their bag and come to the slide, you might as well let them off with it instead of fighting with them to leave a bag in the exit areas and block people. Ideally they should be leaving them but I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw em. EDIT: our commands are "Open your seatbelts, get out, come this way"
As a occupational safety specialist appreciate your videos, because they further develop my mindset, how to improve safety at work for my customers. Aviation has very good systems in place which are overall ahead of every other system I know. And they are also entertaining, and very well produced in a not annoying way (a problem, I have way too often with otherwise interesting topical videos).
To this day, i am still stuck flying onboard a narrowbody aircraft by the Boeing 737 and the Airbus A320ceo and when i am officially becoming an aviation enthusiast 6 years ago, i started to understand about safety in a airplane and the importance of safety briefing. If you are asking : What is your favorite seat to seat on onboard an aircraft ? My favorite is always the window seat because i love seeing the views from either the front, middle/wing section, and also the rear and after all i love airplane so much since i was a teenager a few years ago as much as i love both of your channels. Once again, this video is very valuable if i am about to fly onboard an airplane again...maybe sometime in the future.
I was about to ask about rear facing seats, but yet there are many airline that do have rear facing seats. Both British and American come to mind off the bat. And i always read the safety card, because i can never remember the door procedures. Some lift, some swing, some are thrown out, some are kept in. Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier, Embraer, it matters.
While flying with the Navy we always turned our sears facing the rear of the aircraft during takeoffs and landings. This practice applied to aircraft with articulating seats, otherwise we only sat at stations designated as ditching stations during the same phases of flight.
I travel quite often by plane - and I always choose the last available aisle seat in the rear of the aircraft. There’s also a more sinister aspect to all of this: I somewhat routinely ‚screen‘ the other passengers and prepare myself mentally on how to deal with them, just in case they potentially start causing issues during an evac.
I want videos from you on the recent accident happened in the last 2-3 weeks....Your videos are accurate and proper analysed... I want to what mistakes pilot had done or what was happened there
What I'd love to hear more about is why don't they mount seats facing backwards instead of frontwards, it seems like that would greatly reduce injuries if not deaths.
He does mention this. Plane crashes are so rare that it wouldn't really improve overall safety much. The seats would need to be heavier, which would add a not-inconsiderable amount of weight to every plane. And passenger comfort would suffer. On a related note, some years back, the US FAA studied requiring baby seats vs letting babies/toddlers ride for free in an adult's arms. Sure, proper child restraints _would_ be safer in a crash. But it would also require that people with babies/toddlers pay more by booking an additional seat. And plane crashes are so rare that this increase in safety would be _more_ than offset by more families driving instead of flying -- and this getting in more car crashes.
I often wonder why as passengers we only get lap seat belts, surly a three point belt would protect you for a fast energy impact or sudden deceleration. All motor vehicles have three point for this reason why was it never a mandatory item in aircraft?.
Well, you might want to consider watching this very video then.. he literally mentions this. Might’ve missed it since he mentions a four-point seatbelt, but I guess (I’m no expert though) the same applies for three-point seatbelts.
My grandfather flew in WWII and became a commercial airline pilot for multiple decades afterwards. He always told us sitting as close to the tail as possible was the safest because the part of the plane the most often could be found intact after a crash was the tail. He told me that in 1980 when i was 8. Didnt base it on any study but his own. He was right about so many things that he told me over the years. I still view the tail section as the safest place to sit, but the odds of not crashing are such id still rather sit up front and get off after arriving 1st.
Piloting is an exercise in Risk Identification and Mitigation. Travelling as a passenger is an exercise in Risk Tolerance. Ironically, we have made flying relatively safe because we recognize that it is inherently dangerous and work hard to deal with that - but with cars, we make them less safe because we fail to recognize the kinetic and potential energy involved and seldom give safety a second thought. Thanks for posting.
Given the state of commercial aviation in the US, and having a certification in aircraft maintenance and repair, I won't set foot on a commercial airliner right now or at any time in the foreseeable future. A bunch of people will have to die before commercial aviation is once again safe enough I am willing to tolerate the risk.
Great video. I also think everyone should be taught how to open the emergency doors because, in a crunch situation, the people sitting next to them could panic and freeze in which case others could come forward to open them.
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Peter, will you ever make a video about JAL 123?
Can you comment on Boeing employees that said they will never fly on the MAX because of what they saw
Hey can this pilot can drive a bus in srilanka 😂
I havn´t seen your awnser but my guess is. If we are talking about today. If youtube are still around. three flights a week. I think your grandkids have to make the video of the first faital crasch.
Today's segue in the sponsor portion wasn't as smooth as others. Often the slide into the "commercial" is done so smooth, the viewer couldn't see it coming, which is great. Good job in this video. Keep bringing your viewers informative videos. Now back to the topic.
You're spot on with sample size. Especially because it doesn't consider demographics as far as I know. For example, first class might be biased towards older and wealthier passengers, who struggle more to evacuate in a smoke filled cabin, while the back seats are filled with younger budget minded travelers. Just one hypothetical example of biases that might exist in data.
Yes, there are many variables that could be investigated further. And thank you!
@@MentourNow My unprofessional guess is that aviation is just too safe in general to really find conclusive and reliable extrapolations on individual locations in particular!
Survivorship bias is probably huge here. For example the note about the middle seat being more likely to survive fits in my mind. Since that is a less desirable seat from a comfort perspective it is more likely to be assigned to a passenger that didnt pay for seat assignment. So someone likely younger that is more price sensitive. Beyond that the note about the turkish flight where overwing passengers had a far more survivable experience may also just be survivorship bias. Young and healthy people are more resilient to injury in the first place, can survive more sever injury, and airlines ensure people sitting in exit rows are physically capable of operating the emergency exit equipment, so anyone who is incapable (i.e. more vulnerable) of operating the exit will not sit there.
I'd love to see studies that isolate low cost carriers with unassigned/zoned seating and see how they differ compare to traditional carriers after normalizing for passenger age.
@@aliyousuf2342 Or the middle seat is occupied by the confused traveler who checks in at the last minute, when nothing else is left (how exactly that would help survive a crash, I can't quite explain), or the experienced traveler, who doesn't care one way or another (and who has read the safety instructions a hundred times before). Many of them, I would expect, are taken by people traveling with family, maybe with the more experienced traveler taking the middle seat, leaving for instance the window seat to their child or the aisle seat to their partner, either way giving them a very high motivation to get not only themselves but their companion out of the airplane as fast and safely as possible.
Or maybe it's just travelers with short legs, which would definitely be an advantage in most evacuations.
Of course the middle seat by itself introduces a selection bias as not all rows fill up equally, and empty seats are likely to be middle seats either towards the very end of the plane or concentrated in various sections of the plane depending on seat assignment policies and pricing.
I think we can quickly come up with more reasons to sit - or not sit - in the middle seat, than there were crashes in the sample. :D
With regard to the orientation of seats, in the early nineties I had some involvement with the construction of free-fall lifeboats. They first tried the (logical?) backward facing seats but found that forward facing is actually safer, I think it had to do with stresses on the test dummies bodies. The whole point of seat orientation in a boat which 'crashes' on purpose and in a controlled way, is somewhat different to an uncontrolled crash of an aeroplane but still...
"The only casualties were a couple of phones and the t-shirt of a young passenger sitting in the window seat in front of the door plug ... and well, of course, Boeing's reputation I guess."😂
Boeing seems to be doing an amazing job of destroying their reputation with their own.
I see that wink, too...
That was pretty savage.
One thing that surprised a many people was the undamaged state of the phones.
Likely due to these phones reaching terminal velocity and ending up in a flat orientation. Whilst one dropped from about a 1-2 metres can easily impact corner first.
Boeing doesnt have much of a reputation left. Other than keeping short term investors and short term thinkers happy.
It's interesting that the chances of survival during an evacuation from a burning plane might be linked to the culture of the people on board. Some strictly follow the instructions, while others try to save their bags.
Yep, like happened on the Moscow airport fire, where the plane landed with a fire on board, while the people started grabbing their bags resulting in many fatalities.
Safest seat is an over booked one😂😂
Rude way of referring to one’s wife and kids, but I agree anyway.
it's a bit worrying - having seen on my last few flights with Ryanair how some passengers cannot even follow the stewards instructions to "please remain seated until the aircraft comes to a complete stop"... ""SIT DOWN" etc etc after landing.
heard that one time in a evacuation some guy or maybe multiple people threw their bag down the slide almost causing it to pop
Some time back I was deplaning a 757 through the door near the center of the aircraft. This meant that many passengers go out rearward and I was one of them. The guy ahead of me yanked his backpack from the overhead and headed rearward. As he did one of the straps looped an armrest and before I could pull it free for him, it stopped him in his tracks. As i had seen it I already had stopped so he could easily release it. As he did I commented: "And that's just one reason to leave carry on baggage behind in an emergency." His reply was unsettling: "My stuff comes with me, **** everyone else."
Hmm. Unhelpful. May I ask what culture the man was from?
@@nevillehoward8736I would love to know also. But probably an American cuz I know people from here are not very bright and love to film everything.
yeah, he probably would be the first to soil his pants. They bark...
I think unfair. I put everything I cannot afford to lose in my carry on backpack. Lufthansa (Frankfurt) baggage carriers cost a friend much inconvenience and £2,000. It is a normal business rucksack, so far from max dimensions, and the carriers I use seldom check its weight. One time both my checked in case and backpack each weighed 12 kg. If is easier encumbered with an awkward heavy rucksack to say "everyone" than "untrusty baggage handlers (and their management) plus the passenger who, albeit innocently, lowered his armrest".
@@MartinChadwick-xe7gh its going to be fair if an accident does happen and you need to evacuate quickly.
I'm showing my age, but when I was a child, I lived in Germany as my father was a British Army Officer but went to boarding school in England. We kids were transported on mass at the beginning and end of each school holiday on an RAF VC 10 (I believe?) from RAF Gutersloh to Luton airport, and all the seats were facing backwards. It just seemed completely normal to us kids! I was quite surprised when I took my first 'normal' flight in a 'civilian' commercial aircraft, and the seats faced forwards!😂
Me too! My first ever flight abroad to Belize when I was in the Army. It didn't feel weird at all
As Petter pointed out there is a commercial consideration with extra weight from the strengthening of the backrests to withstand the lever moment from a crash. I assume that wasn't a problem with military transport.
@@66moonrakeryeah I think that's just standard wording for "too much of a hassle".......much like the "justification" as to why cockpit voice recorders are unable to record more than an hour......the exact same time as a 70 year old magnetic tape technology. (Although it's possible pilot unions have something to do with that particular issue)
My grandfather was a doctor in the RAF during the war and was one of the first medical personnel to respond to the fatal crash on an Avro York on the base where he was deployed. The report that he subsequently wrote on the accident was at least partially responsible for the RAF later deciding to install rearward-facing seats on their transport aircraft.
Thanks for this. My Dad was known as Mr. Black Box and was involved with accident investigation at the National Research Council of Canada and later with ICAO. Watching your vlogs brings back so many memories of his work to improve flight safety.
all these people working in the background to improve safety and training are not acknowledged enough for the vital input they provide.
So avoiding all of the suvirvorship bias studies, the best place to sit is to know in advance the type of crash you will be in and choose the other side of the plane.
Even better is to not board that flight
Agree. This is why his analysis is BS.
@@paulkoza8652 Just because it is complex, inconclusive and nuanced doesn't mean that it is bullshit 😅
@@melbar Even better, take the car! (Actually, driving is more dangerous than flying.)
@@marclapin To put it mildly
"Act professionally, even if you are a passenger!" Although subtle, that's a great advice! It's incredible to see the lack of respect some passengers have with those responsible for their lives during the safety briefings.
Thanks for this video!
Yeah, I don't get those sort of people acting abusive to stewards as service staff. Not only because I cannot relate to dismissing service staff, but also because those stewards, way beyond just the safety briefings (trust me, I'm tall enough to be asked often enough to sit next to the emergency exits to see the stewards across from me do a bit more), invisibly but primarily serve your safety and security!
Be nice to people, and not just because it might save your life.
That being said, even being more of a train traveller, my assumption is that, like with trains, air travel is way too safe to make reliable predictions on the safety of specific places. So I just like to sit in a window seat with a look onto the rear of the wings to see the pilots do their magic! :D
Yeah it can be.....but another way of looking at that is that he's telling me to act as if the airline are paying me a lot of money, even though I'm paying them.
@@Wintermute909 Seems a bit cynical to view it that way but to each their own I guess.
Thanks Petter and team. As a patreon, my 10 year old son and I were talking about this last night as we flew home on your old company from Dublin to Vienna - and this adds lovely data (and proves our anchoring bias of always wanting to sit at the back…)
Also, in my role as a senior UN official, you added real value to how I teach teams about risk (especially Reason’s Swiss Cheese model).
So thanks for doing what you do - it has vastly more reach and impact than you could possibly imagine!
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@@MentourNow Obviously you don't fly business class with Singapore Airlines where you get an 'air bag' and a three point seat belt, close to the exits and fewer people trying to use the exit.
It's all circumstantial. This is something he didn't bring out in the video. The best thing you can do for yourself is to stick with reputable airlines. If an accident happens, you stand a pretty good chance of survival. After that, it depends upon the circumstances. Front-back-window-asile-center - it depends upon the situation. In this regard, he did a disservice to his audience and the flying public. I think that this was a terrible video in that respect.
Was that Ryanair?
@paulkoza8652 he mentions that in a summary at around 25 min and also touches on that point during the video.
I remember seeing in a documentary about the Kegworth crash that the fact the plane hit a sloping motorway embankment actually saved MANY lives. So many on board were alive but unable to evacuate the werckage due to leg and ankle injuries, but the steep slope meant that the spilling aviation fuel drained away down onto the motorway, rather than feeding a fire that would have killed everyone trapped.
I must admit that although I love flying and do so generally feeling very safe the ONLY time I have ever been given pause is at that point where I am in my seat and the aisles are full of people loading - and I've suddenly thought 'God, imagine this if there was a fire and everyone was frantically trying to get out' - suddenly the aisle seemed very narrow, the seats very cramped...
free diesel for many trucks, hmm
The aisles ARE very narrow, the seats ARE very cramped...
IMHO, best seats are the front ones. In case the plane are going down, beverage carts goes forward ! So you hast a last chance for get a free drink! Cheers!
😂😂😂 . No. 😐
You know your credit card will get charged for those drinks if you survive, though.
If you have something that you absolutely have to take with you during an evacuation like medication, phone, wallet, passport etc (small items) then either put them in your pockets, put them in a jacket with pockets you can wear during takeoff/landing or a small bum bag you can clip around your waist and can go under the seat in front of you. No excuse to open up the locker and grab your suitcase full of mostly clothes
I always keep my passport on me during a flight just in case . . .
i have a little backpack thats the size of a sandwich. Passport, meds and my toothbrush go in there, phone, wallet and earbuds stay in the pockets, and im planning on adding a small roll of bandages next time i fly. Stays on me at all times on the plane. No idea why its not common practice.
ScotteVest makes vests and jackets with absurd amounts of storage, which is why I wear it on flights. It makes clearing security a breeze too.
Brief cases exist for this exact reason keep all important things like certain docs or computers and sensitive or sentimental material
@@doujinflip yeah same. I have a baubax jacket
In the Sioux City crash many fatalities were babies who had to put on the floor as they were “lap children”. One of the cabin crew started a campaign to disallow lap children but it was calculated that this would lead to more families driving across America. The greater accident rate for car journeys would vastly out weigh any lives saved from no more lap children.
I'm one of those who does try to count the rows to the nearest exit. I also like to know where the life vest is, so put my hand under the seat to check and if I can't find it, I'll ask the crew. An old adage often attributed to Benjamin Franklin - 'to fail to prepare is to prepare to fail'.
Exits can be blocked. It's important to remember that most exits on either side are directly across from another exit. If that's not the case, make a mental note. Also, it makes sense to figure out how far it is to the nearest forward and the nearest aft exit. And remember that in most cases, floor lights will indicate where the exit rows are. Remember also that smoke typically rises, so if the cabin is smoky, stay low. Crawl if you have to.
I always note nearest 4 exits and where in general terms others are. I don't count rows though because no reason to think that under stress I will remember. I would follow the lighting straps (by feel if needed) though.
Another great job Petter! Particularly timely given the recent incident in South Korea in which the only two survivors were crew in the aft. Great in depth review of the data. Thank you!
The two crew that lived were in jump seats sitting "backwards".
@@jeffjenks2533And with a solid bulkhead behind them.
Ailines don't like to publizise that it's safest in the back, everybody piling up there would cause a poor center of gravity
My mother is a fire fighter so checking where the closest exits are is second nature to her. So I was not surprised that she informed me (on her first ever flight) immediately upon reaching our seat that we were 6 rows behind the closest exit.
For those who need to carry medication on you at all times (i.e. insulin for Type 1 Diabetes) its SUPER important to make sure this is on your person at all times of the flight and not in your hand luggage. Even a small chest bag strapped on if you don't like too much stuff in your pockets (and passports for that matter!).
You really don't want to be in a strange country with no documentation and no life-crucial medication following an emergency diversion and evacuation.
Little need at all. There's likely to be plenty of time to get crucial items out of your bag if the crash is going to be survivable.
@@CaptainKremmenluck favours the prepared. The odds of it happing to anyone are slim to none anyway. Most evacuations arent preceeded by a notice period where you can walk around freely.
After a crash, you would be checked by medical personnel and you might be in a hospital. They would get you anything you need. You don't need to carry your medications. Do you really think you will run out of insulin in a hospital and need to bring your own? More likely is that your extra bag catches on something or you move slowly and fall awkwardly because you are carrying something you don't need.
@@Tialano I mostly avoid bulkhead seats, so that my backpack is under the seat in front of me. That's mostly so I can get to my laptop, but it also means everything else of value is within reach. If the notice period isn't enough to grab things from my bag at my feet, we're goners anyhow.
@@douglaszare1215 That is assuming a land evacuate and not a water landing.
Thank for your videos. I used to fly quite a bit as a consultant and corporate employee. I've experienced missing my plane twice, lots of delays, forgotten cards, cell phone and money in a taxi and running all over Skopje airport there and back through security with support staff. Once I collapsed while descending at CDG and was taken off the plane by ambulance. I also got pneumonia on a business trip in Greece from a combination of a cold, air conditioning and hotel air conditioning. A colleague who was originally a doctor was then afraid to fly with me (so he wouldn't have to rescue me).
And I once experienced a medical emergency landing, thankfully not because of me. On the way from FRA to SEA a very big lady collapsed luckily almost on the back door of the Airbus. We had to come down in Calgary, Canada. The paramedics from the Canadian police added steps to the emergency stand and carried her out to the ambulance without too much trouble.
But then it was a matter of what to do next, it was clear we needed to refuel. And for a while, the captain, in his own words (he told us more in German than English), argued with the tower about whether he could refuel the plane with passengers on board, or whether we would have to wait for a free sleeve at the terminal. And then we'd be dropped off and board again after refueling. And who knows if we won't have to go through security again. In the end, it was decided that with passengers in their seats, WITHOUT BELTS, with the doors open in the front and back, with stairs to the aircraft attached, we could refuel. Then we flew the bit to SEA for about an hour.
I once saw a comedian make a joke about this: His rational was that the safest seat was away at the back: "Because he never saw a plane reverse into a mountain". But then the pressure bulkhead is back there, and sometimes these blow out.
If it’s the same guy I’m thinking of, the quote was “because they don’t normally reverse into hills”. Next line was something like, if you’re going for ultra safety, you need to find out under which seat they’ve put the black box, because if that’s the only bit they expect to get back, you want to be attached to it. David Gunson, 1982. Man, I enjoyed that bit endlessly back in the 80s when WCLV would play it on their Saturday night show.
@@ChrisFarrell Black box is usually in the back, so the back is still the safest option using that rationale haha
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So glad you corrected that quote...wouldn't want to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Was on a rather turbulent approach into Chicago O'Hare on a Delta flight, meanwhile the METAR into Midway was showing windshear so I was getting nervous about diverting. Felt like an empty tin can in the breeze how we were getting bounced around up there. Getting close to the ground and I heard the engines spool up to TOGA and the 738 pitched up as I got to experience my first go-around. I've always been deeply into flying and aviation, and I was excited about it -- I realize it could be scary for some nervous flyers out there, but thanks in part to this channel, I knew there had to be a good safety reason for the go-around. Turns out the plane ahead of us landed long and was still occupying the runway. After climbing we re-entered the pattern and touched down about 10-15mins after. Just glad it wasn't windshear 😅
Just landed today in 100km/h + windspeed. Heard the engines spool up several times, I thought we were going around too.
Right over the wing in a Boeing at the emergency exit I was already a bit nervous remembering the video of the door flying off.
But now I could see the pilot constantly adjusting the ailerons as we were getting jerked in all directions right until touching the runway.
I was glad that I know a lot about the procedures. I think I'd have been way more disturbed without that knowledge.
I was a passenger on a company plane, we did a go around after we had been cleared to land because of vehicles on the runway.
My first ever flight was a go-around. The reason was it was an Air Force flight with a pilot who was practicing landings and go-arounds (known as "circuits and bumps") and they'd put a bunch of us cadets in the plane for the experience.
I always check where the nearest exits are... but I never bothered to count how many seats there are between myself and said exit. I'm gonna do that now. Thanks Petter!
I totally agree, first of all. I work in the industry (albeit, on FFS), but I lost a friend on the LionAir 610 crash which you covered, as well as one on SIA006 in Taiwan (not sure if you covered that one, but it's certainly an interesting one.) Having said that, on the latter, my friend died getting people out the door on to safety,, before the nose part collapsed and he fell into the inferno below. It's part of why I'm taking my part of the job very seriously. Thanks Petr!
Thank you! And I've covered SIA flight 6, too.
In the recent Jeju Air 2216 crash (which probably happened after the script for this video was written), the only two survivors in that accident were crew members who were in their jumpseats in the tail of the aircraft, behind the regular passenger area. Everything in front of them was destroyed when that plane impacted the wall at the end of the runway, and took the lives of everyone there along with it.
I think ultimately it depends on how the airplane crashes; if it impacts nose-first, then obviously the rear of the airplane would be safer. But if the impact is more towards the side or rear, then things obviously would be different.
Indeed, exactly.
Yep, the good old 'it depends'. That barrier was way too solid to be in the runoff area, despite it being within the regulations.
Also crash in Aktau - back passengers were saved because how plane fell apart after hitting the ground.
@@Shmidtk Yes. It can count as another example for this.
I flew Qatar Airways in a Qsuite last year, the seatbelt actually had an airbag incorporated into it. That was a forward facing seat, on the return trip I was in a rear facing seat, which didn't have the airbag.
3:22 - a guy just chilling on a plane with his shirt off.
Memories of my Army days, all stuffed into the back of a C130 with no seats. Just grab onto a bit of the cargo nets.
I forget where I heard this from specifically, but an executive travel agent was talking about booking flights for CEOs and celebrities. I distinctly remember them saying that the rows of seats where the turboprop blades were located are "blocked out" in their booking software. So those are the only seats I try and avoid 😂.
I prefer an aisle seat next to an exit. I always answer "yes' when asked if I will assist in an evacuation.
You have to answer yes, otherwise you will be moved to a non-exit-row seat.
I say yes, knowing I'm going to be first out.
@@kaydog890 that means you at least opened the door and deployed the slide
@@kaydog890 Not if they need you to help?
@@653j521 But also yes if you just jump for it.
Thanks for sharing this information @MentourNow! I like your summary of prioritizing the safety of the passengers inside of a plane, whether it is an incident/accident or just a normal average flight, rather than answering the question of which seat on a plane is the safest during an incident/accident. Truly indeed, listening carefully and attentively to the instructions of the cabin crew and electing not to carry hand luggage with you during an evacuation is paramount to everyone's safety onboard the plane.
Aggregate studies of airplane accidents will always be problematic because accidents are so comparitively rare that the statistical samples are too low to draw any firm conclusions.
I’ve been told (by cabin crew) some simple things to do on every flight:
Keep your shoes on below 10,000ft.
During takeoff and approach/landing, place your feet on the floor with your ankles just behind you knees and your hands on top of your knees - in the event of an unexpected rapid deceleration your bodyweight (through your arms and hands) transfers onto your knees and stops your legs from flying forwards into the seat in front, so you stand (sic) a far better chance of walking off rather than needing to be carried off with a broken lower leg bone.
I have never taken off shoes during a flight. I had no idea anyone would do that.
Same with seatbelts, except for the rare times I need to use the bathroom, I stay buckled in. It amazes me that people don't do this. It's rare, but people get seriously injured from not being buckled in when hitting turbulence.
Wear shin guards, lol.
Never eat Swiss cheese onboard an airplane 🙂
Why
@@AsherJohnson-k1i I´m joking! When accidents happens, we use to say that all the holes in the Swiss cheese line up so the accident can happen!
@@matshemmingsson2276 ohhh oops I guess im just a funky monkey
@@AsherJohnson-k1i It's a reference to the Swiss cheese model of accident causation.
@@matshemmingsson2276 It´s Emmentaler - other sorts of Swiss Cheese have no holes able to line up.🙂
I used to work in oil and gas and go offshore. As part of that we did helicopter underwater escape and survival training, plus I did freefall lifeboat training for Norway. A few points that I’ve carried into general travel are, 1. Know your exits (and try and sit as close to one as possible), 2. Even if it’s hot, wear sufficient clothing (long pants and ideally sleeves), 3. Seatbelt always fastened, and for T/O and landing, securely fastened means TIGHT - much tighter than most would think.
While counting seats and figuring out which is the nearest exit is logical/wise consider one would need to look at what percentage of events requiring using the evacuation chutes resulted in ll doors being available and opened. No point going towards a door that isn't opened vecause there is fire outside, or door inoperable. And if you are the only one wanting to go to the back to exit, you also have to fight the crowd in aisle that is insisiting on going forward. So in the end, one needs to follow the loud guidance from flight attendants who will direct you to the nearest AVAILABLE exit.
I have been flying (as a passenger) since about 1965. Back then the 1st class on a DC6 was the very back of the plane (Capital/United AL). The explanation I got on my very first flight was it was safest in the event of a crash.
Same here - DC-6 sit in the back - I think DC-8s as well. But subsequently, I looked at some early accidents where the tail departed the AC on impact and the survivors were not in the rear.
Saving most of the smokers so the saying was they were dying young anyway so put the nonsmokers there.
Videos like this are extremely helpful in understanding the safety of flight. As a passenger this encourages me to be an active participant in ensuring I do what I can to make myself and others as safe as I can.
I used to fly RAF VC10 and Tristar all seats faced backwards.
I definitely looked up some of those same articles online once upon a time, and the discomfort of being in the very back of the plane did *nothing* to help my nerves. Your channel, however, has done wonders ! It's hard(er) to fear what you understand.
It seems, most likely you just don't want to be in the parts of the airplane that actually break apart because, instead of having rigid airplane around you, it's just you and whatever ground you find.
Arguably, the wing spar is the strongest part of the airplane. There's a lot of structure there, between the wing spar, landing gear and a lot of rigidity. The fuel is a concern. But that's a concern everywhere in the airplane. You're close to the wing exits, and midway to the other exits if any of them is blocked. I do know where the exit is, just in case.
I also find it the most comfortable part of the plane to sit in, which is far more important. The noise of the engines is behind and shielded by the fuel in the wing. And a picture of the wing always looks nice.
One major concern for me is all the drunk people onboard, especially on charter trips.
I flew to Canary islands two week ago and I was stunned! There were so many people who was really drunk!
One other thing, all the bottles in plastic bags (taxfree) standing on the floor....
Great video again. As always!
Man ska alltid resa lätt packad. 😁👍
Indeed. I would never drink alcool before or during a flight. It would be impossible to act appropriate in an emergency being in this state of incapacitation.
Juliane Koepcke's story is really very interesting. A lot of her survival was due to the fact that she learned skills from living with her parents in the Peruvian jungle.
Indeed. She wrote a book about her experience with LANSA Flight 508: Juliane Koepcke/ Beate Rygiert: Als ich vom Himmel fiel (When I felt out of the Sky). Munich 2011.
Her mother was one of the people who survived the crash but succumbed later to their injuries. She wasn't in her seat when Juliane woke up after the crash so, presumably, her injuries would have been severe.
Julianne is still alive today, aged 70, according to Wikipedia.
@@CallieMasters5000 Indeed.
Count (and remember) the rows to your nearest exit and always wear your seatbelt, especially on the way to the airport in your car, since thats the most likely place to die flight related
The first was in the video and we all know the second. Make sure you don't die in the bathtub or shower before leaving for the airport? Chew carefully so you don't choke to death over breakfast? Any more, Captain Obvious?
Retired firefighter with AFR experience as well as an aviation enthusiast here. When I fly I always wear cotton or wool clothing head to toe, leather hightop lace up boots, and keep my important documents in my pockets. I also request a window seat at an over wing exit and usually get it.
Not worried about deep vein thrombosis as well?
What about linen? I have invested considerably in linen Hawaiian shirts. Am I screwed?
I seem to remember hearing that a study after the Manchester airport fire showed that people who actually listened to the safety briefing had a much higher chance of survival. One of the points was that those who didn't listen often resort to muscle memory during evacuation which is more familiar with car seatbelts and they loose valuable seconds fumbling at their side looking for the latch.
I like sitting just behind the wing on either side, gives me the most comfort, my dad was an aviation engineer at one point or another before he got married, so i always talk to him about seeing the different movements of the wing and it gives me comfort to see the wing and know its still there. I am incredibly scared of flying but i travel a decent amount for work. So watching this really gave some comfort for how much the aviation industry puts in to keeping people safe and how much they put in to learn from mistakes to make everything safer. Thank you ❤
Looking forward to your review of the Korean airline accident!😮
Thanks!
No matter how many times I have traveled, I always listen to the briefing by the cabin crew and always read the travel pamphlet
True sheep
Aircraft safety is so strange. They tell you to do stuff like mentally plan your exit route in case of emergency, so effectively dream up a scenario in which your life is in danger, but don't give you a four point harness because that'll hurt my feelings! Great video I just can't wrap my head around that
I read a book called “Beyond the Black Box” by George Bibel. It’s a treasure trove of the physics and engineering of airplane safety and crashes and the measures humans have invented to make them more survivable.
It posits that crash landings most typically involve the fuselage breaking into three sections, and confirms that the front section takes a brunt of the forces (whether nose up or nose down) and the over wing section takes the next amount of forces only because the fuselage at that point is not as structurally sound due to the wing spars (edit: it has less of a “crumple zone”) and aft landing gear and fuel tank spaces making it less “fortified” in those areas. And finally, the tail section is the most survivable statistically.
But it ultimately emphasizes the incredible safety record of airliners compare to our more individualistic transportation options.
Back in the day, SouthWest had some seats that were facing backwards. I remember traveling for work with some people who I was working with, and we sat together. I sat in one of the seats facing backwards.
I miss those!!
This video points out the big difference in coverage of aviation incidents and accidents elsewhere or on Petter's channels. You can tell that he knows the industry and, despite covering the incidents and accidents that happened in amazing detail, he (unlike other outlets) always keeps pointing out that they are incredibly rare in the first place.
And when he mentioned ho much more likely it is to be involved in an accident while driving to the airport, my mind was like "yeah, and if that happens, the biggest news coverage there is probably a traffic report on local radio stations indicating that you need to expect delays on that route", compared to aviation incidents that have zero injuries and are still known worldwide.
I don't sit in exit rows much, as I usually travel in seats towards the front of the plane. But when I do, and I get asked by the crew about assisting in case of an evacuation, I let them know that I am a former firefighter (which I indeed am). Usually that is something they really like to see...
Indeed, exactly.
I have actually been in a serious injury accident on the drive to the airport. Didn’t block the road, and there was no mention of it in the news whatsoever 🤷♀️
I’ve noticed that different airlines suggest slightly varied brace positions in their safety videos, like where to place your hands-putting your hands over your head, putting them on the seatback in front of you, grasping your ankles, or wrapping your arms under your legs, etc.. Does it make much difference? Why isn’t there a universal recommendation?
In response to your question shortly after starting:
The first fatal flight was a friend of the Wright brothers in the late 1910s, I don't know the 2nd, though as I recall Knute Rockney's crash was the end for wooden frames, and the grand canyon crash in the 50s was the end of relatively uncontrolled airspace, but I expect that the time between crashes has gotten longer and longer, even as planess got to the hundreds of passengers/flightmark.
The one thing I dislike about sitting at the back, is that the tradeoff is safety vs bumpiness that is more likely to make one motion sick.
The first fatal flight indeed happened on 9. August 1896 near Berlin. Flight pioneer Otto Lilienthal lost his life after his plane crashed in Stölln am Gollenberg. He succumbed on 10.August 1896 due to injuries.
@@gerhardhoeger1048That was a glider, not a powered aircraft.
@@stephenholland5930 That's certainly true! Thank You.
The Grand Canyon crash was the end of commercial airliners deviating for sightseeing purposes. And they recently banned all sightseeing flights over the Grand Canyon. It is an exceptionally dangerous place to fly.
Maybe you could do an episode that features a lot of the people that go into a flight that are often not thought of or mentioned. I would love a glimpse into the jobs and responsibilities of flight attendants, cleaning crew, fuelers, baggage handlers, and other ramp workers, etc. Love the channel!
Having worked in aircraft factories nearly 30 years, knowing how their structures are put together, my bet is on window seats just ahead of, and just behind, the wing.
I agree. The wingbox is the strongest part of the aircraft.
@@jeromethiel4323 And also containing dangerous fuel or fumes
You _can_ scramble an egg without cracking the shell. No?
Top content in every single video on both channels .
Regards from Romania!!!
One not next to a faulty or incorrectly installed door plug.
How often does that happen?
@@wiredforstereo Well, it happened on the Alaska flight mentioned in this video, but thankfully noone was in the row. In reality, accidents don't happen at all, but if we're comparing against rare occurences it's relevant.
@@wiredforstereo depends how many 737 max's are in use by your fav airline
@martineyles You can't do statistics on unique events.
@sayorancode Who has a favorite airline? Geez.
Aloha 243, any seat was a good seat to be in on this particular flight. One casualty, a flight attendant who was blown out because she was standing when a section of the roof tore away.
As someone who is dependent on a wheelchair, my fear isn't necessarily the crashing of the airplane but that I won't be able to get out. I have no fear of flying, I've flown tens of thousands of miles in my lifetime.
Thank you Petter. I'm a bad flyer. Got to Tenerife yesterday, your videos helped calm me down.
Looking at Juliane Koepcke's story, I was interested to see it was documented by Werner Herzog in his film "Wings of Hope". He was supposed to be on the same flight but his plans changed at the last moment.
Good advice re. checking where the emergency exits are. Similar advice was given to me by a fire safety officer when checking into a hotel to always look where the exits are (often a plan on the back of the door). It came in handy when there was a fire alarm in the middle of the night in the hotel I was staying in. I was confident I knew where to go and was able to direct other guests too.
The people I know who worry about which seats are safest are also the ones who unbuckle their seat belts the second the wheels touch the ground.
Or so you imagine with no data.
They should install the seats facing the back of the plane.
Exactly!! I've seen that so often it's scary. Sometimes pilots have to tap on the brake's taxying to the terminal. That shows the passengers standing up, what it would feel like if he really had to brake. I've seen passengers tumbling down the aisle or hit their heads on the ceiling if the airplane gets into turbulence and they do not have their seatbelts fastened. Don't give me the "it's faster to get out of the seat if your seatbelt isn't fastened" crap. The speed at wich you can unbuckle your seatbelt doesn't matter if you have a broken neck.
Peter, thank you for creating a community that wouldn't have existed as uniquely as it does with you leading it! I also wonder if this video was made after the Jeju Air incident? Nevertheless, even though it was after that incident, this video feels like a warm hug. Thank you again for all the amazing content on your channels! Best wishes from Mumbai!
You're welcome! The video was made before the Jeju Air accident.
The little look at 3:20 had me laughing so hard!!
Hello Petter!
Great advice!
As for carry-on items, if you have PRESCRIBED medications, grab them. If you have a laptop or camera, carry the SD cards in your wallet or pocket, but leave the camera/computer behind.
As a career commercial commuter pilot part of my job was to give the safety briefing. I was always pleased when a passenger actually listened and paid attention to what I was saying. When people cry about how flying should be safer I always ask if they paid attention to the passenger briefing on their last flight and the answer is usually that they have heard it before and know what to do. They are usually surprised to hear that in the event of a survivable crash those passengers who followed along on the passenger briefing for that flight had a 12% greater chance of survival than those who didn’t. On every one of my flights in a 14 seat aircraft at least ONE passenger couldn’t open their seatbelt and that is in a stationary non rushed well light deplaning! Thank god I had my own exit so I could get out to open their seatbelt and doors for them. Watch the briefing,count your rows to the exits and read the briefing cards, it may save your life!
I will admit to not always paying attention to the safety briefing.
I do check the safety card for some details like what exits can be used in water landings, and some other details that can be bug surprises.
I will also say though that the modern entertainment safety briefings sometimes have pitfalls thst manually given ones don't have including the potential of enforcing the wrong behaviors.
@@WorldTravelerCooking Most safety cards are pathetically unclear when it comes to where to place one's feet. It is after all useful to be able to at least hobble during a rushed evacuation. Most just seem to leave them vertical. Mentour suggests wedging them slightly back. Even this is not brilliant as cannot see that it will be sufficient to stop the feet swinging out and smashing themselves on the seat in front. Putting them touching the seat ahead would be awkward but probably best for them? I suspect the best compromise is to wedge them more, so at least slightly further back (though always keeping the feet flat on the floor). So yes, great, after looking at numerous safety cards I am still unclear.
@@MartinChadwick-xe7gh Though the briefings often have nothng in them at all about this, certainly not in any detail.
@@MartinChadwick-xe7gh My brother is a retired ATCO, and a friend of his is a doctor who studied the Kegworth injuries, and was instrumental in persuading airlines to get people to put their feet back, because broken tib/fib is the result of your feet flying forwards and whacking your shins on the seat in front. As there's usually a downward component to the force on impact (from the actual crash and your own body flexing downwards) it tends to keep your feet where they are and means you can walk out instead of having to be rescued.
They should install the seats facing the rear of the plane.
Mentor pilot presented a well structured approach in aircraft survival in regard to seating placement plus other survival aspects of evacuation, etc. However, one aspect not mentioned was changing seas when in flight. I worked for TWA back in the day, and at that time there was a hard fact position taken that not to change seating assignments. Perhaps today that thinking has no bearing. Secondly, anything important that one would need to get carry-on luggage during an evaluation either carry it on you or place it in check-in luggage or send it by other means rather than on the plane. Great presentation Mentour 24:59
I was not surprised when I heard that all people survived that JAL crash. People of Japan are well known for their discipline and they were taught how to survive disaster situation (fire, earthquake etc.) since childhood.
Quite a lot of cultures are disciplined.
Every accident video I've watched on your channel left me feeling better about airplanes instead of the contrary. Especially the one with the Ethiopian Airlines intoxicated pilots whose plane looked like it wouldn't crash if the pilot was a toddler. It shows how much things have to go wrong before anything bad happens while just a second of inattention can cause a fatal car accident.
For this, I feel much safer as a plane passenger than I do on the road while so many drivers are looking down at their phones.
It all depends but for crashlandings being in the rear of the plane is safer. Most likely wont have the same amount of geforces crushing the structural part as the front absorbs most of it. same thing with cars these days where the front crumples to lower the forces on the cab. The rear will usually break apart from the plane where the rest of the plane still has all the jetfuel cooking it when it finally gets to a stop.
Possibly true, but you're really talking about improving your odds by infinitesimal amounts and random events cut that even more. Statistically you might improve your chances of surviving a fall from the top of the Empire State Building by flapping your arms on the way down, on the basis that its better to hit the ground at 119.8 mph than 120, but your chances of survival are barely more increased than the chances of a massive delivery of crash mats passing by underneath you. The statistical differences you're talking about are so small as to be almost meaningless.
With enough Nvidia GeForces, you can crush anything, lol.
Many, many years ago, I worked with Civil Aviation in Australia. I remember one of our aircraft accident investigators saying that the first question he was ALWAYS asked (upon someone learned that's what he did), was "where is the safest seat in the aircraft". After sometime of trying to seriously answer the question, with people not really liking exactly the sort of answer you came up with here, he worked out a nice, simple response. "Well, I am yet to investigate an aircraft reversing into a mountain".
Does it actually answer the question? Of course not. But it did give him time to change the subject ... or run away from that person.
The airline industry is really a great example of engineering in practice. The amazing safety record of commercial aviation is truly remarkable, the facts show that it really is the safest method of transportation. My brain still gets nervous when flying even though I know it’s so safe. Also I suffer a bit of claustrophobia and so I really don’t like being stuck in economy class. It would be easier if I was a rich person. 😂
Thanks for the great videos. ❤
I'm a jaded flyer by now and not normally bothered by anything, but once I was on a flight from Boston to London on Virgin Atlantic where the seat pitch was so tight it was actually alarming. Not the best way to cross an ocean.
@MattMcIrvin Just flew back to Brisbane Australia from London via Hong Kong, 12hours + 8 hours in economy (cattle class). Not fun 🙁
i always listen to the security briefing and i've never heard them tell us to keep trac of nearby exits and counting rows. great idea!
It is worth noting that the trees in the Amazon were so thick that they also slowed the descent of the row of seats she was in as well so it was falling at a slower rate when it impacted the ground.
And honestly, that's probably the only reason anyone survived the fall in the first place. It's just unfortunate that she was the only one to survive until she was found.
She was the only person not too severely injured to even attempt to survive and get out of there. Most of the people who initially survived the crash, her mother included, were probably all dead before she even regained consciousness. And that's the salient point here. While others may have technically survived the impact, it is probable she is the only one who ever even regained consciousness.
Plz allow me to add some advice I got from my father re aircraft passenger safety. My Dad retired from Eastern Airlines in the early 70's after working with Eastern for about 35 years. He started out as licensed mechanic but later in a position that required his occasional involvement in "cleaning-up after/repairing" damaged/crashed planes. His overall advice was to sit in the aft section of the plane whenever possible. Fortunately, I, nor anyone in my family, ever had the opportunity to stress test his recommendation.
Fun fact: The car ride to the airport is more deadly than the actual flight itself
Does anyone not know that by now?
@ People who will find any excuse to not fly
Some years ago I was driving back to Milan Malpensa airport, with my family after a wonderful holiday. There was a container truck in front of me and suddenly I saw it wobbling. One of his back tyres shredded off in long straps and barely missed our car.
Sitting on the back seat of the airplane I could barely breathe, on one occasion, because of the smell of urine from the lavatory. I take my chances and sit elsewhere when I can. Also, I love the window seat, I like to put my GPS on the phone and mark where the airplane is from time to time. This I do by putting the mobile near the window. Then I would have a record of where I passed. And yes, I know I can watch it on the seat screen or download from flight radar back home, I still love to do this.
Are there solid stats on fatalities from airplane vs car?
As far as the brace vs no-brace thing, well, yeah, you might get ankle or knee injuries from it, or crack a rib, but crucially you can still function with injuries like that. It's gonna suck, but you can still move. If you break your spine or skull, you're just not moving under your own power at that point. You're unconscious or incapacitated and that's a lot worse than having to drag yourself out of a crash on a bad leg.
I think picking the right plane is more important than picking the right seat.
@mentournow I'm glad that this video exists but I do have a question as a disabled person that needs to use a walking stick to get around...what is correct procedure to take in an emergency for someone with mobility issues?
Use the cane up to the slide and leave it on the floor inside the plane out of the way? Travel with a buddy and hold on? Hope adrenaline will get you through? It's an important question. Is there a video on that?
@653j521 from my last flight a year ago there's only videos/instructions for abled bodied people and those with children/babies but nothing for people with mobility issues...most flight attendants also tell me to stow my walking stick in the overhead cabin during take off and landing...i usually ask the flight attendants whenever I board a plane but I usually don't really get an answer to it lol.
I always count the seats to the nearest exit, but I'm afraid in the confusion of an accident I couldn't remember it.
If you've ever been in an emergency, how did you respond? If you responded well, you'll remember. If you froze or panicked, you won't. I was in a (vehicle) rollover, and first thing I did was reach for the ignition to turn the engine off (and cut off the fuel supply).
Re evacuation and going out the way you came in, the only time I was in a real emergency evacuation (on an oil platform) this is exactly what happened. During the weekly drills, we were not allowed to use the emergency doors. Go figure...
In 1969, flying into Eugene, Oregon on a DC-9 the pilot landed on a taxiway and stopped with the nose of the airplane within a few feet of a chain link fence. it was about 25 minutes before the plane was moved to its place near the terminal. The DC-9 first generation had 2,250 fatalities and 107 hull losses. 1979, Flying into Dallas - Fort Worth on a prop plane, starting at about 1500 feet the plane side slipped (right wing about 20 degrees below the horizon with nose about 30 degrees left of flight path). Are most Airline crashes due to human error or mechanical failure?
You might ask that for GA and commercial. I wouldn't want to fly GA, especially with a pilot not trained for instruments in case of bad weather.
Thanks for video.
For me a non flyer it comes down to knowing I don't know many people or any that care enough or are capable enough to do the flying, maintenance, flight logistics etc.
Add the level of appearance of control you give up as a passenger. And sure not many accidents happen. But so many can be unsurvivable.
Not many busses or trucks go down my road. Not all that many cars do. So if I ran the clock plus the time it takes to walk across the road it's super safe and unlikely to matter if I stop and look before I cross. But the consequences make me a total fool if I don't watch and just walk across.
Of course I'm an anxious person and don't like being around people either.
At our cabin crew training (UK airline) we are told to not bother telling people to drop their bags if they brought them, but we are also told it's OK to push them a lot harder down the slide as a punishment, as a joke of course.
Interesting,as our training (another UK airline) has the evac commands.
“Open seatbelts, LEAVE BAGS, get out”
@leroypenn558 Our safety PAs mention leaving things behind all the time but the airline realises if someone's stupid enough to grab their bag and come to the slide, you might as well let them off with it instead of fighting with them to leave a bag in the exit areas and block people. Ideally they should be leaving them but I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw em.
EDIT: our commands are "Open your seatbelts, get out, come this way"
As a occupational safety specialist appreciate your videos, because they further develop my mindset, how to improve safety at work for my customers. Aviation has very good systems in place which are overall ahead of every other system I know.
And they are also entertaining, and very well produced in a not annoying way (a problem, I have way too often with otherwise interesting topical videos).
To this day, i am still stuck flying onboard a narrowbody aircraft by the Boeing 737 and the Airbus A320ceo and when i am officially becoming an aviation enthusiast 6 years ago, i started to understand about safety in a airplane and the importance of safety briefing. If you are asking : What is your favorite seat to seat on onboard an aircraft ? My favorite is always the window seat because i love seeing the views from either the front, middle/wing section, and also the rear and after all i love airplane so much since i was a teenager a few years ago as much as i love both of your channels. Once again, this video is very valuable if i am about to fly onboard an airplane again...maybe sometime in the future.
I was about to ask about rear facing seats, but yet there are many airline that do have rear facing seats. Both British and American come to mind off the bat.
And i always read the safety card, because i can never remember the door procedures. Some lift, some swing, some are thrown out, some are kept in. Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier, Embraer, it matters.
On Qantas that recommendation about counting seatbacks is part of the safety briefing. It should be manadatory worldwide!
Just post the numbers at each seat; like certain V speeds in the cockpit.
That's standard safety advice for any fire; e.g. counting doorways in a hotel between your room and the fire exit.
@@ves5624good idea!
I can't remember which, but either Air Transat or TAP Air Portugal also does this.
While flying with the Navy we always turned our sears facing the rear of the aircraft during takeoffs and landings. This practice applied to aircraft with articulating seats, otherwise we only sat at stations designated as ditching stations during the same phases of flight.
I travel quite often by plane - and I always choose the last available aisle seat in the rear of the aircraft.
There’s also a more sinister aspect to all of this: I somewhat routinely ‚screen‘ the other passengers and prepare myself mentally on how to deal with them, just in case they potentially start causing issues during an evac.
There is nothing "sinister" about situational awareness!
You’re paranoid.
I want videos from you on the recent accident happened in the last 2-3 weeks....Your videos are accurate and proper analysed... I want to what mistakes pilot had done or what was happened there
The quality and attention to detail of this channel inspires me with hope for the future.
What I'd love to hear more about is why don't they mount seats facing backwards instead of frontwards, it seems like that would greatly reduce injuries if not deaths.
He does mention this. Plane crashes are so rare that it wouldn't really improve overall safety much. The seats would need to be heavier, which would add a not-inconsiderable amount of weight to every plane. And passenger comfort would suffer.
On a related note, some years back, the US FAA studied requiring baby seats vs letting babies/toddlers ride for free in an adult's arms. Sure, proper child restraints _would_ be safer in a crash. But it would also require that people with babies/toddlers pay more by booking an additional seat. And plane crashes are so rare that this increase in safety would be _more_ than offset by more families driving instead of flying -- and this getting in more car crashes.
I often wonder why as passengers we only get lap seat belts, surly a three point belt would protect you for a fast energy impact or sudden deceleration. All motor vehicles have three point for this reason why was it never a mandatory item in aircraft?.
Well, you might want to consider watching this very video then.. he literally mentions this. Might’ve missed it since he mentions a four-point seatbelt, but I guess (I’m no expert though) the same applies for three-point seatbelts.
My grandfather flew in WWII and became a commercial airline pilot for multiple decades afterwards.
He always told us sitting as close to the tail as possible was the safest because the part of the plane the most often could be found intact after a crash was the tail.
He told me that in 1980 when i was 8. Didnt base it on any study but his own.
He was right about so many things that he told me over the years.
I still view the tail section as the safest place to sit, but the odds of not crashing are such id still rather sit up front and get off after arriving 1st.
Piloting is an exercise in Risk Identification and Mitigation. Travelling as a passenger is an exercise in Risk Tolerance. Ironically, we have made flying relatively safe because we recognize that it is inherently dangerous and work hard to deal with that - but with cars, we make them less safe because we fail to recognize the kinetic and potential energy involved and seldom give safety a second thought. Thanks for posting.
You say that with all the warnings and devices and safety ratings on newer cars?
Given the state of commercial aviation in the US, and having a certification in aircraft maintenance and repair, I won't set foot on a commercial airliner right now or at any time in the foreseeable future. A bunch of people will have to die before commercial aviation is once again safe enough I am willing to tolerate the risk.
Great video. I also think everyone should be taught how to open the emergency doors because, in a crunch situation, the people sitting next to them could panic and freeze in which case others could come forward to open them.