There's a good number of videos on TH-cam which they use too many straight unrealistic punches which we know it will never work in todays world or even the afterlife. Glad to see your videos sharing side by side with Iain's videos. Respect for you Andy. Keep it up!!
I entirely agree with you. In my class I still teach what I call the 'stylised karate' bunkai alongside the 'practical' bunkai. The reason being that the former can help with the initial learning of a kata as a solo form but requires 'karate' type attacks designed to fit the kata as it is; stances, direction, etc. I then like to differentiate this with the practical bunkai which is typically a bit messier, more interpretive, and requires a decent understanding of kata to not just become chaos (at the lower grades anyway).
We once tested a particular bunkai for H.Nidan which didn't quite work, because both were trying to apply the technique equally, when the opportunity occurs. Only when we changed the dynamic, such as one is the agressor and the other fights defensive, the bunkai started to work. I feel like this is the related paradigm.
If you want to learn effective self defense , train shotgun. But if you want to understand for what was really made karate and kata, work bunkai like you say. 100 .% agree with you. The way that was taught me bunkai 30 years ago was bullshido. Now we have at last some people who makes good bunkai work.
i believe the majority of your training should be spent on training for the most common attacks ie haymaker from a right handed person, pushing, shirt grabs, head locks etc.I dont think it was a coincidence that the heian katas first movements are all to the left. Another thought is stop training traditional distancing and get comfortable with close range stuff and ugly stuff. head butts, knees to balls, eyes and throat etc. I used to get feedback that these attacks was "dishonorable" if someone really wants to fuck you up and you need to get out of there go for it its not a competition. Oh and protecting the head us shotokan guys tend to have out hands way too low lol . Finally last thought is maybe watch cctv footage of assaults and study body language, posturing etc a lot of the time you can see little hints and nuances that shit is about to go down and people get caught with a flush shot to the face. Look forward to your next lot of videos.
See? Y do I wanna add 2 dis? Here go a thought I had bouncing in my head, which might get it bit off by most hardcore traditionalists... *"Every karateka (irregardless of style) a boxer!"* First off, one will b THAT MUCH TOUGHER 2 deal with when da time comes due 2 da full-contact element. Second, da fact dat "we fight how we train, so why not train like an actual fight is?" I could go on an' on, but da whole "TL;DR" thing and my thoughts could get unorganized.
think i understand where your coming from. we should all train boxing and combos but i think muay thai is a better choice so we can use all our karate weapons that modern karate de emphasized. (condition the shins and forearms). equally wrestling .. sometimes technique fails and under stress its more likely to fail and things will deteriorate into a contest of strength so wrestling is good too. Training for full contact is hard obviously with cte and injuries, hit the pads and bags as hard as you want but you do have to have a safety switch in place when yourre training with a partner its just common sense. @@Gauntlets
@@666Havers Well in dat case, I probably shoulda said "kickboxing," but I said "boxing" 'cuz da "te" in "karate" is "hand!" My kyokushin sensei says "we use 'hands' to set up kicks and everything else." Besides dat, good boxing technique, such as a good jab could set up an' irritate opponents in order 2 start their downfall; tho I can't say I've seen it much on da streets aside from some 1-v-1s mostly on TH-cam... I say dis not 2 disagree wit ur reply; just what came 2 mind when reading ur reply.
I think it's related to pride, imagine a fourth degree black belt who was indoctrinated into the traditional system having to admit that he was wrong in relation to applications.
@@AppliedShotokan I think it's related to pride, imagine a fourth degree black belt who was indoctrinated into the traditional system having to admit that he was wrong in relation to applications.
So stop with all the tournament karate nonsense if you want to practice what you preach. Forget the point scoring. Do not train for sport tournaments at all. Leave that for the trophy hunting ego maniacs. Don't worry how 'pretty' your movement is. Focus more on balance- yours and the opponent. Get up close and personal.
There's a good number of videos on TH-cam which they use too many straight unrealistic punches which we know it will never work in todays world or even the afterlife. Glad to see your videos sharing side by side with Iain's videos. Respect for you Andy. Keep it up!!
I entirely agree with you. In my class I still teach what I call the 'stylised karate' bunkai alongside the 'practical' bunkai. The reason being that the former can help with the initial learning of a kata as a solo form but requires 'karate' type attacks designed to fit the kata as it is; stances, direction, etc. I then like to differentiate this with the practical bunkai which is typically a bit messier, more interpretive, and requires a decent understanding of kata to not just become chaos (at the lower grades anyway).
Andy i put it to you that ur explanation is the actual ancient purpose of kata practise.
Happy new year my friend, cheers 🍻 from Colac
There‘s a lot to this subject - I‘m looking forward to seeing where this series will go 👍
We once tested a particular bunkai for H.Nidan which didn't quite work, because both were trying to apply the technique equally, when the opportunity occurs.
Only when we changed the dynamic, such as one is the agressor and the other fights defensive, the bunkai started to work.
I feel like this is the related paradigm.
If you want to learn effective self defense , train shotgun.
But if you want to understand for what was really made karate and kata, work bunkai like you say. 100 .% agree with you.
The way that was taught me bunkai 30 years ago was bullshido.
Now we have at last some people who makes good bunkai work.
It definitely makes sense to practice what you’re most likely to encounter (street violence). Even though there is some crossover, MMA is for MMA.
True, and that can be said for a lot of different contexts. Parts of BJJ training are great for self defense while other parts will get you hurt.
excellent. a core truth.
i believe the majority of your training should be spent on training for the most common attacks ie haymaker from a right handed person, pushing, shirt grabs, head locks etc.I dont think it was a coincidence that the heian katas first movements are all to the left. Another thought is stop training traditional distancing and get comfortable with close range stuff and ugly stuff. head butts, knees to balls, eyes and throat etc. I used to get feedback that these attacks was "dishonorable" if someone really wants to fuck you up and you need to get out of there go for it its not a competition. Oh and protecting the head us shotokan guys tend to have out hands way too low lol . Finally last thought is maybe watch cctv footage of assaults and study body language, posturing etc a lot of the time you can see little hints and nuances that shit is about to go down and people get caught with a flush shot to the face. Look forward to your next lot of videos.
I agree on all your points. I was going to comment on the distancing on old videos but I may save that for another video.
See? Y do I wanna add 2 dis? Here go a thought I had bouncing in my head, which might get it bit off by most hardcore traditionalists... *"Every karateka (irregardless of style) a boxer!"* First off, one will b THAT MUCH TOUGHER 2 deal with when da time comes due 2 da full-contact element. Second, da fact dat "we fight how we train, so why not train like an actual fight is?" I could go on an' on, but da whole "TL;DR" thing and my thoughts could get unorganized.
sorry for ranting but i get passionate and had too much coffee :D @@AppliedShotokan
think i understand where your coming from. we should all train boxing and combos but i think muay thai is a better choice so we can use all our karate weapons that modern karate de emphasized. (condition the shins and forearms). equally wrestling .. sometimes technique fails and under stress its more likely to fail and things will deteriorate into a contest of strength so wrestling is good too. Training for full contact is hard obviously with cte and injuries, hit the pads and bags as hard as you want but you do have to have a safety switch in place when yourre training with a partner its just common sense. @@Gauntlets
@@666Havers
Well in dat case, I probably shoulda said "kickboxing," but I said "boxing" 'cuz da "te" in "karate" is "hand!" My kyokushin sensei says "we use 'hands' to set up kicks and everything else." Besides dat, good boxing technique, such as a good jab could set up an' irritate opponents in order 2 start their downfall; tho I can't say I've seen it much on da streets aside from some 1-v-1s mostly on TH-cam...
I say dis not 2 disagree wit ur reply; just what came 2 mind when reading ur reply.
Yes! 🙌
Ouuussss....
I don't want to be offensive but I think that this type of bunkai that is not useful in a real fight is taught on purpose as if it were sabotage.
I've heard the argument before but I don't buy it. Why would anybody purposefully promote such bogus and risk their reputation?
I think it's related to pride, imagine a fourth degree black belt who was indoctrinated into the traditional system having to admit that he was wrong in relation to applications.
@@AppliedShotokan I think it's related to pride, imagine a fourth degree black belt who was indoctrinated into the traditional system having to admit that he was wrong in relation to applications.
@@hugofernandes557 Absolutely. Then they suffer from cognitive dissonance, dig their heels in and reject logic.
Exactly.
So stop with all the tournament karate nonsense if you want to practice what you preach. Forget the point scoring. Do not train for sport tournaments at all. Leave that for the trophy hunting ego maniacs. Don't worry how 'pretty' your movement is. Focus more on balance- yours and the opponent. Get up close and personal.