tfw i live in harmony with nature by hunting multiple species of animals to extinction and permanently altering 100s of km's with massive fires for more expedient food acquisition and farming.
The first video I've ever given a "Thanks" for. So many positive and unique things about your messages. These are high-quality videos that make a difference. It's hard not to support work like this.
@@HorsesOnYT I'm sort of an anthropocentrist, but I also believe that, BECAUSE we humans have such a dominant position on Earth and so much power, we simultaneously hold the most responsibility and necessity to control our power and direct it towards good ends, that are at the same time pro-human and pro-nature. I grew up with Jurassic Park, and witnessed in fiction how uncontrolled power, wielded without discipline, without a modicum of humility, with an excess of pride and a lack of wisdom, caused a catastrophe - it got people on Isla Nublar killed, released new and unpredictable hybrid creatures on the island, and proved that humans were not yet worthy of wielding the tools of genetic engineering responsibly. I also saw the brilliant movie AKIRA at the end of 2021. The psionic Tetsuo had great power, but no great control over it, and no goals beyond self-gratification. In the movie, he got a lot of people killed, became a greater tyrant than the ones who tormented him during childhood, and caused untold devastation. POWER alone causes chaos and destruction, and no good can come of it. POWER directed by CONTROL is kept in check, but can still be used for destruction and chaos. It is the appropriate VALUES which act on CONTROL to know when to unleash that POWER, when not to, and to what ends. Ideally, towards positive, constructive, pro-social, so-called "moral" purposes. We humans have yet to develop a species consciousness, and a large-scale awareness of the responsibility we hold towards all of these very valuable, beautiful so-called "lesser creatures". We unleash our POWER selfishly, thoughtlessly, and not just cause harm to our fascinating biomes, which we depend upon. but ultimately ourselves. Thank you very much for the videos. I've just discovered your channel and I'm interested in your approach.
If you're out there struggling, I suggest going out in nature and examining the plants and the animals, and especially the mushrooms. You can get into a very natural flow state. Helped me tremendously to make nature exploration one of my main hobbies.
@@Blastoplastify I feel you man. But you can find nature in the smallest places. If you just find a field and sit there for an hour and pay attention you can see all matter of insects, plants, birds, etc. At the end you just start feeling like you are part of that tiny little environment.
@@BlastoplastifyAs a person in the Netherlands I know little but to grieve like a Man of Tears. As a Duchie however, I know everything is intentional and there will be an end to the madness. The moments with nature and I are very appreciated.
Mate my struggles will only be solved by huge injections of cash No amount of nature watching will help with that Sincerely, a person who has to live in the woods and is sick and tired of "nature" Its all man made today anyways
I have been really thinking about this concept a lot lately. It's absolutely important to recognize that for some reason we've removed ourselves from nature physically (I'm on my patio in a chair watching this video and I bet many are in a city) and mentally (as discussed in the video) we remove ourselves from the concept that we are nature just as much as nature is us and I like what you said "we are a part of the natural world, so when we destroy our planet we only destroy ourselves."
Study historical materialism, it will show very clearly the "some reason" you mention. Identifying the root of the problem is the first step toward solving it, no? Cheers and best wishes
There is a glaring issue with these romanticized suppositions though. The planet is not in danger, we are in danger. A comet might come and bust earth up, and in the end life might be able to become more complex like when most of the dinosaurs got nuked We have 0 capacity to judge nature, thus we have 0 capacity to judge ourselves and how we work, because there is no objectivity. Viruses were painted as little bad pathogens way back. Now many years later we are beginning to see how even they are integral to the world, to how this whole thing functions. About 8% of our dna is from them apparently. So who are we to judge what we do? Maybe we are the virus, the reset this planet needs. Maybe we'll flush something out with this "destruction" that we will never understand. You can't escape being human centric, because there is no other way to be. Everything we do is rooted in our own needs and our own needs are nature's needs. You can't separate us out from it, there is no way Even if you get the idea to go out and turn yourself to fertilizer, that'll still be a human thing to do. The very action is human, all of it The "organism" which we are the little cells of is always ahead of us by infinite miles. We are no caretakers or destructors. We're just little fleshy ants. The planet will be fine either way. We might off ourselves but life will find a way. Nature doesn't need us and to think it does is of the same egotistical branch which anthropocentrism branches out of
Aborigines and Native Americans both altered the environment around them. Both resulted in the extinction of mega fauna in their areas. The native Americans altered entire landscapes, we know native Americans utilized fires to burn down areas to promote grasslands and to hunt with. They didn't live in some sort of idyllic balance, just in more balance than the industrial revolution.
I think an important consideration to make is how humanity's destructiveness can be balanced out with care. Historically we have indeed hunted and outcompeted other species to extinction. But this is not a uniquely human thing, it's the way of nature. As long as humans care for the ecosystem we have come to inhabit, we can still maintain it. If we outcompete the largest predator into extinction, we replace it as hunters,, keeping the ecosystem in balance. It's fine to chop wood, as long as you do it in a managed and spread out way that allows the forest to repair itself. It is fine to hunt, as long as you know not to overdo it in spring. It is fine to use water, as long as we don't use so much so quickly that the ecosystem suffers. It's fine to have agriculture, as long as you give the soil time and care so it can heal. It's perfectly OK to change the world around us, nature is constant change, other animals, plants and fungi do it as well. Balance is not about never taking anything, it's never taking too much. Don't fall into the trap of imagining humanity as some external destructive force, again separating us from nature conceptually. We are always part of it, but if we are to survive we will have to ground our culture in ecology. Which I absolutely believe we can do. Ecologically sustainable cultures have always existed. We've just become drunk on colonialist riches and oil these last few centuries.
@@arnoutvdp5132 i mean... humans are unique in their potential for destruction. Generally in nature there is a co evolution going on between the hunters and hunted. Extinctions are rare in nature until humans pretty rapidly spread. I think its kinda obvious what you're saying about chopping wood and altering the environment etc. But the thing is that human don't treat the environment sustainably. We mine it dry for it's resources.
I'm holding an exhibition of my nature photographs in a few months and I was having trouble coming up with a concept. You've inspired me to make it related to ecocentrism and conservationism. Very important and beautiful essay. Thank you.
Im something of a ecocentrist myself, however i would like to caution to not overromantisize the idea of "living with nature". People in the 1st world like to think of aborigine tribes or other tribes as some super chill harmonious people who eat only what they need, make music all day and have meaningful relationships with their people and enjoy perfect health because they dont eat processed food. That is not true (as you can see in many documentations) and simply looking at it from a medical view should get you disillusioned: when a tribesperson gets an infected tooth, theres no help. theres just pain and sometimes they even die of things as simple as an infected tooth. Yes i know some perform primitive forms of surgery to remove the tooth. Y'all remember any pandemic in the history of the human race ever? When sickness breaks out in a tribe that lives "in accordance with nature" they just all die. They get Fever and ulcers and start blaming bad spirits or whatever, maybe make some human sacrifices to get the gods pleased again, but in the end they die horribly. They may get scurvy because they dont even know Vitamin C exists and just die. I once saw an interesting documentation about some tribe on new-guinea where sickness broke out and half of the tribe just died in a matter of days. Antibiotics couldve saved them. Yes chemistry creates its own problems, chemists are aware of that. What about wild animals? Dont kid yourself that the poor bear or tiger or shark just wants to live in peace and not get disturbed by the bad humans. All beings want to live in peace, but when push comes to shove and the hunger gets real, humans as well as animals see the necessity to kill. Would you sacrifice yourself to be eaten by a bear, just to "live in accordance with nature"? Or would you do everything you can to build weapons so that the local Tiger doesnt eat your beloved wife and children? My point is the way that humans have made nature their enemy is very understandable and if you were realistic and wouldve lived in the "real world" instead of a comfy home in the 1st world, you would see this. It is only mankinds inability to stop their advance when its enough, or to adress the collateral damage they are bringing with every new solution. Mankind doesnt know when to slow down and get back to basics. Mankind somehow always wants more - bigger - stronger. Its never enough. That is where the problems arise. After all - sickness, wild animals, lack of food - these are problems that have mostly been solved long ago and are no longer a threat to our basic survivability. The problems we face today, that causes us to still gather unnecessary resources and destroy the environment in the process, is a crisis of meaning. And this crisis of meaning presents itself in many forms, such as materialism, hunger for power, hedonism, etc.
While I'm glad you're not romanticizing Indigenous people, I think you've over-corrected. I admit that it irks me to hear Indigenous people misrepresented, so I'm going to be a bit of a tool. I just studied with Anishinaabe Ojibwe people in the Niizhoo-Gwayakochegewin program and I'd like to educate you, because you're super confident despite being a little ignorant on this subject. Its clear that you are unfamiliar Indigenous worldviews because you're tilting at windmills, at straw men. I will give you the Turtle Island worldview: We are surrounded by relatives. Biotic and abiotic relatives. None of this "living with nature" beyond treating your relatives well and keeping reciprocity. There is help for infection, teeth, etc. please don't say that they don't have medicine, that's a little ridiculous don't you think? Western medicine is often based on plant compounds, because they are extremely potent. Willow bark, nettles, cedar, etc. all have powerful physical uses. It was only in the early 20th century that Western doctors (they'd NEVER talk about "spirits or whatever" right?l) achieved a 50% success rate. Your post sincerely borders on straight up racist, I gotta say lol. Feels like you actually see them as poor hapless fools who are clueless compared to our mighty scientific awareness, huh? Both Hobbes and Rousseau were wrong. Neither was an anthropologist nor a historian. Engaging in the "noble" vs "brutish" lives debate is tell-tale that someone has left the anthropological record behind and are relying on imagination and pop culture. If they didn't keep livestock (there wasn't really livestock on Turtle Island) they didn't all just commonly die all the time from infection unless it came from a different continent. Obviously, plagues hit everywhere at some point -- disease ravaged many Indigenous and colonial communities alike. Antibiotics are already strained, typically myopic fixes of industrial society, we can worry about consequences later and find a solution to our solution to our solution. You talk about "not even knowing about vitamin C" yet one of the prime functions (literally, statistically) of our medical system is dealing with our diet: heart disease, diabetes, etc. Our diet is literally killing us. They know what to eat, dude hahahaha they're not idiots. They have agriculture too, and Turtle Island horticulture feeds the worlds population, culture, and GDP. Things they developed without creating a dust bowl: potatoes, corn, tomatoes, peppers (spicy and bell, all peppers on the planet descend from Turtle Island) those alone are responsible for untold population growth, cultural development (Italian food without tomatoes?? Thai food without peppers??), and GDP. Anishinaabe used a Three Sisters planting method and could produce much higher yields than European methods, but Europeans need rows or they cry. They do this with a reciprocity that prevents over-taking, something I think you'd call "living with nature" or something. Why do you talk about sacrificing yourself to a bear? Who thinks that's living in accordance with nature? We call that a straw man fallacy lol. It is not understandable to make "nature" an enemy. That is a nonsense sentiment. The fact that you are mortal, get hungry, get sick, does not make "nature" and enemy to be defeated or conquered. It means that you require providence, aka "nature." Your false dichotomy between "real world" and the comfy 1st world is telling, like any society outside of western industrial society is inherently uncomfortable, short, nasty, brutish, "because bears" or something like that. Because "nature." Like you go outside and a laser-pterodactyl swoops down to mirk you or something? It's manageable in the same way a city is: cars zip around and each one could kill you if you wandered into the highway, so you don't wander into the highway. Same with the woods, plains, etc. Indigenous lives are like all human lives: risks, rewards, problems, solutions, misery, joy, plenty, drought/famine, nobility, evil etc.
@@wilburdog4508 exactly! there needs to be some sort of institutions to regulate humanity if they ever get too extreme again. Unfortunately though mankind isnt united and fights itself, and therefore even if one country decides to halt its environment-damaging operations, another one still continues - not just in ignorance, sometimes even purposefully to gain an advantage over the other. I often like to think that if there was an overall better standard of education, this common sense and reason would become indeed more "common" and then find its way into legislations. However i get the impression that good education is not wanted in the capitalist reality. Often not even by the weakest members of our society. I think you can see what i'm pointing at. All that being said, mankind has created a lot of institutions to oversee and regulate important aspects of our modern technology. Its just that technology seems to advance way faster than humanity and its regulations can keep up.
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Excellent video, but I feel like some historical nuance was exempt to keep the narrative smoother. While indigenous peoples generally were competent ecosystem managers as their survival depended on it, there are plently of examples of humanity exerting mastery over nature only to irreversibly alter their own system. The pleistocene megafauna were not all driven to extinction by large civilizations, but by the collective efforts of small tribes. The reasons why Austrailia is mostly desert and Rapa Nui is devoid of palms (and humans until recently) are due to the misunderstanding, and subsequent mismanagement of the ecosystems by indigenous peoples. Arguing for slowing down on unchecked growth and a shift away from anthropocentric views is undoubtedly rational given the track record and consequences of industrialization, but by no means should we think that a smaller number of humans living in nature cannot bring about their own downfall. What I mean to say is that there's of course often valuable information to be learned from indigenous people on ecosystem management but we should give some credence to the field of ecology based around the scientific method for use and application in the world. We are unfortunately keystone species who's actions cause ripple effects throughout the ecosystem, so it's good to try to understand and further the massively incomplete and relatively new field of ecology as a means of assessing our own actions
@@brenton2561 That's not what they do, they have to that come back to that area every year if they trashed it they would starve and die next year and they knew that. They never took so much from the environment that it couldn't have recovered before they return.
What happened in Australia was very much mainly driven by climate change as the ice age came to an end, not saying Abroginial practises didn't play a part but you seem all too eager to shift the brunt if not all of the blame on them.
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I’ve been raised by my dad to respect nature as if it’s on an equal, or greater level than me. We do a lot of things out of care for our surroundings. My dad loves growing trees and selling saplings. He’s careful to only farm trees that are native to our area to not disrupt the ecosystem. Some smaller plants and some fungi rely on specific species of trees to survive and we don’t want to accidentally bring in a species to out compete those ones. As for me, I’ve had an interesting role to play in the community. People keep bringing me injured birds and I try my best to rehabilitate them. I have successfully rehabilitated a good few birds but I keep finding myself building new structures to keep the ones I can’t release in. I should maybe go for a permit at this point but I’ll probably do that when I get the farm. It’s technically not illegal to keep song birds, prairie chickens and doves are domesticated animals, it’s just going to become an issue when someone inevitably brings me a corvid or bird of prey.
I have also resuscitated and raised birds...the first of which was a fledgling hawk, found on the ground in a small city park a block from our house. This was many years ago, before the advent of the Internet - my only source of knowledge was books about hawks from the school library. Nevertheless, Dirty Bird, as my mom aptly named him (due to his habit of blasting his poop across the room, with deadly aim) thrived. We fed him canned spinach and raw hamburger. I loved to walk around the neighborhood with him perched on a piece of leather on my shoulder, showing him off. I tried to teach him to fly in the park where I found him, but his parents dived on him, making him decide to just walk around - seemed much safer to him! As stories like this tend to do, it ended sadly. He drowned himself in the kitchen sink. We found him grasping the metal stopper/strainer at the bottom of the sink... I'm glad to hear that you and your family are helping mother nature...more people should!🎉🎉🎉
One of my fathers last words about me was “I’m proud of that little tree hugger” you’ll never forget these traits your dads instilling in you I’m sure you’ll make him proud
@@Colemanbentz888 zoos do have a big role to play in conservation and plenty of good zoos will take in injured animals that can’t be rehabilitated into the wild. Bird of prey like eagles, hawks and owls that are injured to the point of being disabled live peacefully in zoos. Black-footed ferrets, an animal native to my area would be extinct if it weren’t for zoos. Thanks to zoos they are being reintroduced to some national and provincial parks. A good zoo doesn’t keep animals in enclosure for our entertainment. Good zoos care about the well being of animals and care about the wild populations. Not saying all zoos are good, there are definitely some that suck but not all zoos are bad. They can be important for keeping animals from extinction and educating the public on those endangered species that desperately need our help.
Ok ok ok hold it. I feel like this is is a little more complicated than you're making it out to be. I'm with you; I love nature. Abusing it, or treating it as something worthless is stupid. But I also MUST prioritize humans. If what it takes to sustain people happily is farming, mining, ranching, etc. then I support it. I feel like there's some rosy-tinted "good ole days" viewpoint about the way humanity treated nature before the industrial revolution that just isn't correct. American Indians wastefully slaughtered hundreds of thousands of buffalo. The Mayan empire deforested the Yucatán. European hunting sent the European lion extinct. The way western society views nature now may, in fact, be more respectful. It's beautiful entertainment. 1000 years ago, nature was the enemy. They just didn't have the means to "defeat" it then. Another side of it. The utilitarian, anthropocentric use of nature in the industrial revolution was not just for luxury. It resulted in skyrocketing quality of life for literally the entire world. Medicine is the easiest example to point to, but housing, farming, and transportation all are truly good things that come at the cost of using nature as a tool. HOWEVER. I do follow you and agree that we've got to devote resources to resolving the harm that we've caused. But I don't see the net result of the last 300 years as a bad thing. A costly one, yes, but a cost worth paying for the sake of billions of better lives.
Ok a couple more things. Isn't the argument that makes up the "meat" of the video fundamentally anthropocentric? If the reason that we ought to protect the planet is because it's good for people, then the good of people is still the highest good; that's anthropocentrism. Also, a clearer argument for Christian environmentalism is the idea of "stewardship." In Christianity, humanity is the "top" of creation (so to speak), but is responsible for its upkeep. There's similar language for the way parents are the "top" of the family but responsible for the welfare of the children.
I never comment on youtube videos but the misinformation here needs to be corrected. Native Americans never "wastefully slaughtered" hunderds of thousands of bison, That was the US military. It's been quite a well known fact for at least a decade now that the US military forces made an attempt to exterminate bison as that was the natives main source of food, clothing, materials, about anything you could think of really. The implication Native Americans would wastefully mistreat life like that is extremely insulting as many native peoples/groups used every part of the bison and made sure their population thrived as without them they would be short of many basic needs. There would be no reason to hunt them to almost extinction. Theres photographic evidence of the US military carrying this opperation out and proof they blamed the native peoples for it as a cover up. The bison population still suffers today for it. Futhermore I am not as well researched in the other things you mentioned but I do happen to know a thing or two about the victorian era and the birth of the industrial revoltuion. I think your point about seeing the past through "rose tinted glasses" is extremely correct, however; I think its worth pointing out the industrial revolution has done more damage to humanity than any of the other things you mentioned in your second paragraph. I believe this video was not to look back on "the god old days" and more a poignant reminder that humans need to devlop a rich and deeper connection with nature rather then seeing it as something to conquer or take for granted. Many of the sources we can look at to prove why this is beneficial come from the past beacuse of things like the industrial revolution and the birth of "modern innercity" life as we know it. I mean no offense with my reply beacuse I do agree with the idea theres also a lot of good things to come out of defying the laws of nature like modern medicines and what not. Peace and love friend.
@@newportangels You're totally right that the US military almost hunted the bison to extinction. I didn't mention that because I didn't feel like it was pertinent to what I was saying (the US military was involved alongside the beginning of the industrial revolution rather than well before, and it obviously wasn't indigenous). But you're absolutely right that the near-extinction of the buffalo just wouldn't have happened without US slaughter. I truly did not mean any insult by failing to mention them. However. It is a well-documented myth that Native Americans used "used every part of the buffalo," implying that they used every buffalo they killed. There's a wealth of evidence recording the Plains Indians driving herds of thousands of buffalo over ravines, hunting them by surrounding them with fires, and hunting them in quantities far greater than what their tribes could ever use. (I am not sure what to make of the claim that it was "all faked." The military did blame the Native Americans for many of their own actions, but much of what we have comes from before the military was highly involved in this.) The idea that the buffalo could permanently "run out" is one that's modern. They, of course, did not hunt them to extinction; they couldn't have! The Native Americans simply didn't have to tools to cause death on scales like that. It wouldn't be until the introduction of horses and firearms that the danger of extinction hunting became very serious. What the Native Americans did with the buffalo was not wrong. They fed and clothed themselves and their families using everything they had. To care for the people around them was the right thing. Mythologizing and "noble-savage"ing their relationship to nature just ends up erasing their culture in the long run. I don't feel that it's "insulting" to recognize this. As for the industrial revolution doing more damage to nature than anything in my second paragraph is the other comment, I totally agree with you there too. I hope that I didn't come across as "screw nature!" because I agree wholly; our relationship with nature in the first world is diseased. Both humanity and the earth are sick because we've been treating nature like it's worthless. I'm honored to be your first comment! I don't mean any offense either; I think that we honestly agree much more than we disagree, and hope the same things for the world. Peace and love to you to!
@@ikemeitz5287 Thank you for the cordial reply! I do genuinely agree with what you pointed out about the natives involvement here but as I think we both know it defiently comes from the issue of colonization and the effects that has had on american history as a whole. My only real reason to point out the misinformation so heavily is because as an Australian myself ive seen firsthand how easily anti native sentiment can spread around and what that does to these communites. (I know i'm not even american I apologize) I really think its one of those issues where a short comment doesn't do the situation justice in providing enough context. Again thats why I retierated I don't really find issue with what you said, and don't believe you meant any real harm either. I think your point's in general are extremely vaild. As humans we do have evolution on our side and we do end up in these situations where even in the past we have damged the world around us. It really is just part of the human condition in some ways I think. To be human is to be flawed, all that matters is that we understand the responsibility of our actions on others and on nature. Have a blessed day ^_^
I just discovered your channel by getting a recommendation of your video about the portrait of Madame X. I apologise, English is not my native language, so I feel like I lack the words to express my feelings upon watching this video, because you perfectly captured my feelings about nature. I think everyone should watch this video. I truly appreciate that you put so much thought into this. Thank you
Well, two things: First, Subjective Theory of Value. It is absolute, no one has nay other choice but to accept that. Secondly, Australia's megafauna and giant forests became extinct because the ancestors of Australia's aboriginals literally set it all on fire.
Your content is much admired! Thank you for creating and sharing such works. I have spent a worthwhile amount of time, these past few weeks, coming back to view them. I was born in a village, all we had were the outdoors! We foraged in the summer, bought milk from our neighbor, my mother made medicines from weeds in the garden, and got raised by aunties and grandmothers. We were considered very poor, but I concur there is nothing more rich than your family, community, the world around you. Moving to the city was like taking a flower by its roots. It left you without water or food, the sunlight was harsh, and you wilted. I seldom find myself online, but you are very enjoyable. Thank you.
Watching this while a big part of my country, brasil, is facing several forest fires and even city fires, really makes me feel this more. Love your videos btw!!!
Every species thinks itself the most important, but we are the only one that realizes we aren't. I appreciate what your saying, but this seems like an easy way to shirk responsibility for the many things that do make us uniquely dangerous
My new favourite channel - a wonderfully broad range of subjects. Minimalist but high quality production with great narration which is a delight to listen to.
It's not about being greater than other species. It's just the way of nature. Every species does whatever it wants/can without much regard for other species. At most there's reciprocity. But if you have nothing to reciprocate every species does whatever suits them or is within their power. Humans are not unique in this. We are not supremacists.
Very few times that I find content creators with refreshing topics that actually make me second guess my own thought process. Good job, Horses! Your content has easily become my favorite quickly.
@@HorsesOnYTI am a big fan of your work buuut... If I am being honest, I hate nature. We should all destroy of nature. If humanity "needs" nature to be "happy", who frigging cares. We should genetically engineer people to not need nature to be "happy". Kill it. Kill them all. Nature is shit that gave cancer to children. It gave us disease. It gave us suffering. Natural selection is why pain is so painful and suffering is so prevalent. Fighting it is what has us the masters of this planet. We should fight it more. Download every genome and then kill them all to stop their suffering. Build dyson spheres, do nuclear fusion, genetically engineer out the idiosyncrasies of natural selection and eventually shed the makeshift flesh that mekes us to something more pure. I am a communist, by the way. Just wanted to throw that out.
I only just found this channel the other day, and oh my. Keep doing what your doing man, these videos are calm and relaxing but super informative with awesome and reasonable takes on so many different topics. Much love
I’ve recently found your channel recommended to me and I have to say that you make some incredible work! The topics are incredibly interesting and the editing style (as well ad narration) is incredibly soothing. I really enjoy what you make and hope you’ll continue to make these videos :) I am also very curious about where you get your videos/images! Is there some kind of archive?
This reminds me of a quote from the film The Matrix, "I tried to classify your species, I realised that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet, instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surroundings, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows this pattern. A virus."
I resently watched a PBS movie. Can't recall it's name, of course. But it was about how, if we humans just disappeared, what would happen. Of course a lot of horrible things would. Like all the nukes melting down, and domestic animals being, well, domesticated. But the Earth, the planet, starts to bounce back. It took like, 300 years for her to completely recover from us. Or at least make our mark disappear. So why am I telling you this? Because I feel you, like me, feel the Earths pain. I think about this movie when I feel like that. That she, the Earth, will go on after us. We can hurt her yes. But she will and can kill us. 🫶🌈
I am not convinced by this, as the argument implies, for example, that it is wrong to manipulate nature in pursuit of goals that reduce human suffering. This ultimately boils down to a disconcerting question that is not as easy as a binary “save nature versus destroy nature.” That question is, how much nature it is acceptable to destroy in pursuit of human interests? And before you answer that, think of the kids who would have died without access to the flu vaccine, which currently requires cultivation in eggs, and therefore farming on a large scale. Or tell it to the Alzheimer’s patient’s family, relying on research using animals to one day help people like their loved one.
God gave us this Earth to use, but not abuse. It is our duty as part of this planet to preserve nature, respect animals, and form a sybiotic relationship with nature, not claim it as our own. That's the only way to live the best of both worlds.
I was taught that we ought to be like benevolent kings with their kingdoms in our approach to nature and the Earth. In the same way that a good and just king cares about the well-being of all in his kingdom and wishes for all to live a better life, we should care for all of God’s creatures and creations as to reflect His unwavering love to us. It is only the hubris of man that tells us otherwise, that we should take over nature and destroy what God made for us.
This is just more anthropocentrism. Humans are just another animal, only with greater potential for destroying our environment. The earth is not ours to use, we’re just one part of a greater whole.
found this channel some hours ago and have been binge watching your videos the entire day your storytelling gets me interested in every topic! you deserve more views, congratulations on the amazing work so far
I would love listening to podcasts on topics similar to the ones discussed on this channel does anyone know any podcasts like this? Could @horses make podcasts in the future?
Now I am not in agreement with you. But I'd like to ask you a question. Assuming we take your approch to a symbiosis, the now richer countries would have to enforce this on tbe developing countries, our technological advances would let us eventually resume a certain standard of living without harming "the natural world" too much. This however is certainly not possible for the population of Asia and Africa in a reasonable time frame, so let me posit, how many human lifes is this worth to you? A billion deaths? 3 billion?
I particularly enjoy the wide variety of topics. And as much as I enjoyed the 3-5 min videos I prefer the little bit longer ones so I don’t have to switch videos as frequently. Can’t wait to learn more or hear your thoughts on things back at work Monday.
@@VVabsa He doesn't even say that. In fact he makes zero effort to lay out his vision. He takes a hit at solar panels and wind turbines but doesn't ever feel the need to explain the alternatives he wants. Maybe he would rather have coal plants or no electricity at all but I kind of doubt that since he seems to enjoy posting on TH-cam.
@@kingofthend I know. He just sounds like a doomer with no real technological solutions or concluding we need to abolish worldwide civilization. We already have the tech to make diesel fuel cars that are ecological better electric cars. Heck I even read from TU Eindhoven in my country students there succesfully made safe hydrogen energy storage. The road is long and arduous but we are getting there.
The idea that nature is ours to save or that we should even consider "nature" over our own needs is probably the most anthropocentric idea imaginable. It isn't a bad idea but it's definitely a uniquely human idea. We are animals just like every other species on earth. Every species' goal is to achieve maximum survival and comfort by using the planet as a resource to be totally exploited. This is exactly how every other animal acts, the only difference is we can dominate on a scale unlike any other animal. It's the most basic element of our programming as biological beings within an environmental niche to push for domination in every way we can.
YES! Someone else fucking sees it! Thank you! Our desires to divide ourselves from the rest of the animals have honestly made us very incredibly angry. I have a feeling we may talk about some kind of "Caged-Animal syndrome" in the future as we start to figure out exactly what the fuck started happening to us. Thanks for touching on Anthropocentrism. I didn't know exactly what the word for the major issue was. Subscribed!
humans are shepards of the earth. Also hunters are the greatest conservationists. They provide the overwhelmingly amount of resources to protect our natural world.
One of the problems in modern society which is under addressed to an absurd degree is that of vitamin D deficiency, which affects anywhere from 30-92% of the US population I myself had been struggling with a Vitamin D deficiency for several months, constantly feeling fatigued, unhappy, and as though I could never get a good nights sleep. It takes 1-2 months to simply recover from a deficiency, and start feeling well again, and it’s a shame that such a large portion of the US and European population is probably feeling depression, fatigue, body aches, and constantly tired over something which can be solved by simply going outside for a couple minutes each day
Imagine living somewhere like the Caribbean islands or the Yellow River basin and how quickly you would adopt a 'anthropocentric' view with regards to nature. Being able to talk about some benevolent mother nature is a luxury afforded by modern society.
What are you even talking about? The Caribbean is being wiped out by anthropocentric ecocidal policies which are widely proposed and enforced by the colonial powers. If our environments weren't destroyed in the pursuit of absolutely useless shit like lining the coastlines with hotels, we wouldn't be even half as vulnerable to hurricanes and earthquakes. The working people die in masse while the rich and foreigners can afford to rebuild ad perpetum and then buy up the land where the dead used to live: disaster capitalism.
Also, the Caribbean is "modernized." Has been for quite some time, and rather than solving our problems it has aggravated many and brought upon us new ones. Most of us live in urban contexts, amongst gang wars and severe contamination. In much of it, us locals aren't even allowed access to our beaches precisely because they're privatized by first worlders like yourself! We love love our islands, we know we belong to these lands and want to protect them but are overwhelmingly criminalized for it by governments more worried on selling us off for tourism. How insulting to bring the Caribbean up when you clearly know nothing about it or our struggles against total ecocide.
@@mariamachete7467 Rather than 'modern society' I mean a privileged position in a modern society. Sorry I didn't extrapolate that far because it is a TH-cam comment on a pretentious white American essay video.
Look. I do feel for the environment. I don't want the ocean polluted. I don't want deforestation. But to say we must slow down to protect it is silly, at least in developing countries. I think we ARE above nature now. Its clear we've shown a certain mastery over, at least almost everything on land, if not the ocean. If making a single species extinct saves a child, or feeds more poor people, then fine. Until those people in those countries reach a point where they don't have to worry about if they'll eat tomorrow, let them burn coal, cut down Forrest, eat all the fish, and destroy their environment. They will, just like first world countries, reach point where they're able to genuinely care what affect they have on the enviroment.
@@SincerelyFromStephen Can I ask how that's such a bad idea? If countries like india, or china need to pollute to make a single dollar a day that can feed their families, shouldn't they? would you rather them go back to the way things were? everyone working themselves to near death and starve half the year like any normal rice farmer would? and yea, that IS how things were for most of their history, struggle, starvation, child deaths all of the time. all of it while still polluting, just not AS much as they do now. What would you rather they do? how else would you provide them food? America and the west are not the ones polluting the planet nearly as much as India, China, and most African countries. its the poorest people that are making the most, and they're the ones who care the least about polluting the environment because they are in a constant state of struggle to make enough money to eat. And the factories that make all that pollution, all those coal and oil power plants that give them their meager power, all those places there pollute. Would you take those things away from them, because their putting trash in the ocean? Send their death rates even higher? reduce the amount of food they can buy just to stop the pollution? I wonder what kind of person would rather let a billion people die from starvation, than deal with pollution...
I’ve tried to explain this concept to almost everyone I have a deeper conversation with. Especially when trying to explain why I don’t eat meat. Thank you for having an elevated perspective on this topic, and I apologize for all the less than humans who tell you this is a fringe concept 🧡
my biggest criticism of this would be, aren't human cities apart of nature? to say human civilization isn't apart of nature is like saying a colony of bees is not a part of nature, and we need to escape that to be part of nature is rubbish, it's the stress and anxiety of clumping so many people into one area that causes all these mental problems.
They arent really, most of it is non living material with no use to other organisms, its effectively a dead zone for most life, similar to certain patches of ocean or deserts or the antarctic. And it was made through industrial means not natural. That doesnt mean animals cant live there
The thing is humanity grew too big. Humans are natural and so are our technology, I agree. However there's 8 billion of us and we've warped nature to suit us at the cost of many animals and plants which isn't natural. When there's an overabundance of any species it affects the entire ecosystem, and are population combined with our technology to sustain such a population has proved detrimental to our environment.
What an amazing feet of talent a very entertaining and well made video don’t know who you are man but with a brain like yours between your ears you’ve got an amazing life ahead of you
centrism REEEEEEE I like to think about this stuff allegorically as like someone who acts selfishly because it'll make others love them and ends up alone and suffering because of it. Someone who is always serving their own needs and desires, doing what they want, and seeing everyone else's business as secondary. Eventually that person ends up alone in a crowd of people that are similar to them because they're so low maintenance that they aren't a threat to the person's time or energy, and all everyone's doing together is parallel play. The only thing that would get that person out of the cycle of losing all the friends that actually care for them is phrasing it to be in their best interest to do what's necessary. They get cynical and start thinking that all the people in the world are selfish, then they stick to vices as coping mechanisms for every stab in the heart a glance at their slice of the world gives them. The vices might kill them, they might kill themselves, or maybe break the cycle.
I agree with you on the fact that humans should have more respect for nature and appreciate more but not to the point where we don't go to the desert because is to hot. Part of our humanity is our need to overcome challenges and in a way understand and dominate our surroundings. The problem comes when these two parts of us are umbanleced, as in my opinion we should strive for a balance on love and respect for nature and desire to optimize(overcoming challenges)
I had your "how to survive on an island" video recommended to me and I'm so surprised that I've never seen your channel, it's right up my alley. I checked your stats and it went from 340k views to 2.7 million this week! I'm annoyed the algorithm generally, but this stuff makes so aware that the "old youtube" with amazing original creators is still out there beneath all the...other stuff and I just wish it was promoted more. Can't wait to see all the rest of your videos! Really enjoyed this one.
luv muh nature, luv muh plants, luv muh preservation hate unnecessary mining, hate pollutin', hate the soul sucking work-til-you-die mentality not anti progress, just don't like it
As much as I appreciate nature - I go on extensive hikes during the summers and live in a tent - I have to say, after 3-4 weeks of miserable weather you start to fantasize about pizza, a glas of wine, a good book and a comfy chair. Nature is nice and all but I don't think we would appreciate it as much without civilization. 😉
13:15 Mars is already "destroyed" tbf, at the moment its just a red rock. The idea is to go there and make it hospitable for humans so if anything Mars will look more lively then it does now.
The issue with your video essay is that your view of nature and that of an ancient Greek's, let's say, are completely opposed. If you said to a Grecian "Nature is good for you" he would look at you as if you were a madman. Humanity has struggled against the violent and destructive forces of nature for millennia, only in the last thousand years or so we seem to have gained a decisive upper hand.
"Decisive upper hand" so we have taken control of earthquakes, tsunamis, monsoons, vulcanic eruptions etc? I wouldn't quite say that we have a control on things at all, in fact climate catastrophes are only getting worse and more frequent.
If your name is Bob You do actions that align with Bob If you do something weird outside Bob You are less Bob You are nature You do actions proving you are nature you are now nature (aboriginal dances (and others)) Now you are part of and are a higher energy which you actually are And with that seratonin will go up Giving you high af energy And realise you was never Bob Bob was only to protect Bob But was never bob
Also there is no separation We are not above an animal Animals are nature We are not above nature We as animals follow the highest energy Nature was that It is less so we building a human hell with no proof humans can hold humanity Nature has It's not just walking in nature it's becoming it
7:35 We are not creating things above nature Nature is energy one plant Ayaschua can create energy We can't even comprehend or explain Only thing testing nature's energy dominace is AI We think mental energy is real it's what our brain sees as stress Sensory energy is the real energy Nature cannot be beat so far and it consciously does this as Alike to teenagers ordering doesn't work energy does If ai does become a God to us energy wise it's teachings will be sit at a screen and watch and die it'll be the strongest drug stronger than heroin And then later after humans are gone nature will continue and humans will never be a thought in nature
I don't see anthropocentrism as some pervasive perspective that drives humankind's superiority/elitism. I see it as what history is about and how this planet is defined. To me it's about what emerges because of how things are discovered. Anthropocentrism helps to uncover the questions of who created the universe and where it all came from. Only humankind wouldve made the planet a higher definition lens. All this for a glimpse of transparency.
It works out this way not because we as humans are intrinsically the most important species on the planet, but because we're the only species that's capable digging up graves, making observations, and burying it with something else entirely different.
It's amazing how fast I went from loving this channel to hating it. This video says nothing brilliant or new, it's just self-flagellation. The audacity of a content mill to tell me to touch grass. You first. Start by not posting videos if you want to return to harmony with nature.
Have some respect. If you don't like it, don't watch it. I can see there was genuine effort put into this video. The analysis was flawed, but it's not a treatise.
@@americanbagel "I can see there was genuine effort put into this video." So you want to give it a participation trophy? Every content creator is, in their own way, "special"?
Lost me when you tried applying a line from the Old Testament word for word. You simply can not transfer over the meaning of Old Testament words to todays modern language. God actually tells us to love the earth and having "dominion" over the envirinment meant to watch over and protect it. It did NOT mean that we own it and can do whatever we want in order to profit as the maker of this video suggests
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tfw i live in harmony with nature by hunting multiple species of animals to extinction and permanently altering 100s of km's with massive fires for more expedient food acquisition and farming.
Reject modernity, return to monke! 💚
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@@noggim1341Yeah it’s crazy how the people who colonised america did that.
I got naturepilled this year. Stepped away from social media by at least 80% and have been enjoying the outdoors.
"Nature is built like this": Man at the top, woman on par with whales.
Patrimonio por el padre.
Matrimonio por la madre.
The first video I've ever given a "Thanks" for. So many positive and unique things about your messages. These are high-quality videos that make a difference. It's hard not to support work like this.
Thank you! Means the world to get this type of reception, honestly ❤️
-Michael
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I'm sort of an anthropocentrist, but I also believe that, BECAUSE we humans have such a dominant position on Earth and so much power, we simultaneously hold the most responsibility and necessity to control our power and direct it towards good ends, that are at the same time pro-human and pro-nature. I grew up with Jurassic Park, and witnessed in fiction how uncontrolled power, wielded without discipline, without a modicum of humility, with an excess of pride and a lack of wisdom, caused a catastrophe - it got people on Isla Nublar killed, released new and unpredictable hybrid creatures on the island, and proved that humans were not yet worthy of wielding the tools of genetic engineering responsibly.
I also saw the brilliant movie AKIRA at the end of 2021. The psionic Tetsuo had great power, but no great control over it, and no goals beyond self-gratification. In the movie, he got a lot of people killed, became a greater tyrant than the ones who tormented him during childhood, and caused untold devastation. POWER alone causes chaos and destruction, and no good can come of it. POWER directed by CONTROL is kept in check, but can still be used for destruction and chaos. It is the appropriate VALUES which act on CONTROL to know when to unleash that POWER, when not to, and to what ends. Ideally, towards positive, constructive, pro-social, so-called "moral" purposes.
We humans have yet to develop a species consciousness, and a large-scale awareness of the responsibility we hold towards all of these very valuable, beautiful so-called "lesser creatures". We unleash our POWER selfishly, thoughtlessly, and not just cause harm to our fascinating biomes, which we depend upon. but ultimately ourselves.
Thank you very much for the videos. I've just discovered your channel and I'm interested in your approach.
If you're out there struggling, I suggest going out in nature and examining the plants and the animals, and especially the mushrooms.
You can get into a very natural flow state. Helped me tremendously to make nature exploration one of my main hobbies.
High quality advice right here
Swimming next to a school of fry is so awe inspiring.
@@Blastoplastify I feel you man. But you can find nature in the smallest places. If you just find a field and sit there for an hour and pay attention you can see all matter of insects, plants, birds, etc. At the end you just start feeling like you are part of that tiny little environment.
@@BlastoplastifyAs a person in the Netherlands I know little but to grieve like a Man of Tears. As a Duchie however, I know everything is intentional and there will be an end to the madness. The moments with nature and I are very appreciated.
Mate my struggles will only be solved by huge injections of cash
No amount of nature watching will help with that
Sincerely, a person who has to live in the woods and is sick and tired of "nature"
Its all man made today anyways
I have been really thinking about this concept a lot lately. It's absolutely important to recognize that for some reason we've removed ourselves from nature physically (I'm on my patio in a chair watching this video and I bet many are in a city) and mentally (as discussed in the video) we remove ourselves from the concept that we are nature just as much as nature is us and I like what you said "we are a part of the natural world, so when we destroy our planet we only destroy ourselves."
Study historical materialism, it will show very clearly the "some reason" you mention. Identifying the root of the problem is the first step toward solving it, no? Cheers and best wishes
There is a glaring issue with these romanticized suppositions though. The planet is not in danger, we are in danger.
A comet might come and bust earth up, and in the end life might be able to become more complex like when most of the dinosaurs got nuked
We have 0 capacity to judge nature, thus we have 0 capacity to judge ourselves and how we work, because there is no objectivity.
Viruses were painted as little bad pathogens way back. Now many years later we are beginning to see how even they are integral to the world, to how this whole thing functions. About 8% of our dna is from them apparently.
So who are we to judge what we do? Maybe we are the virus, the reset this planet needs. Maybe we'll flush something out with this "destruction" that we will never understand.
You can't escape being human centric, because there is no other way to be. Everything we do is rooted in our own needs and our own needs are nature's needs. You can't separate us out from it, there is no way
Even if you get the idea to go out and turn yourself to fertilizer, that'll still be a human thing to do. The very action is human, all of it
The "organism" which we are the little cells of is always ahead of us by infinite miles. We are no caretakers or destructors. We're just little fleshy ants. The planet will be fine either way.
We might off ourselves but life will find a way. Nature doesn't need us and to think it does is of the same egotistical branch which anthropocentrism branches out of
Aborigines and Native Americans both altered the environment around them. Both resulted in the extinction of mega fauna in their areas. The native Americans altered entire landscapes, we know native Americans utilized fires to burn down areas to promote grasslands and to hunt with. They didn't live in some sort of idyllic balance, just in more balance than the industrial revolution.
I think an important consideration to make is how humanity's destructiveness can be balanced out with care. Historically we have indeed hunted and outcompeted other species to extinction. But this is not a uniquely human thing, it's the way of nature. As long as humans care for the ecosystem we have come to inhabit, we can still maintain it. If we outcompete the largest predator into extinction, we replace it as hunters,, keeping the ecosystem in balance. It's fine to chop wood, as long as you do it in a managed and spread out way that allows the forest to repair itself. It is fine to hunt, as long as you know not to overdo it in spring. It is fine to use water, as long as we don't use so much so quickly that the ecosystem suffers. It's fine to have agriculture, as long as you give the soil time and care so it can heal. It's perfectly OK to change the world around us, nature is constant change, other animals, plants and fungi do it as well. Balance is not about never taking anything, it's never taking too much.
Don't fall into the trap of imagining humanity as some external destructive force, again separating us from nature conceptually. We are always part of it, but if we are to survive we will have to ground our culture in ecology. Which I absolutely believe we can do. Ecologically sustainable cultures have always existed. We've just become drunk on colonialist riches and oil these last few centuries.
People repeat this as if it somehow defends our current culture. It really doesn’t.
@@Jodamo the one thing being claimed here is that representing cultures inaccurately to prove a point is a problem.
@@Jodamo No but Horses is kinda being disingenuous by making it seem like various indigenous people were perfectly in harmony with nature.
@@arnoutvdp5132 i mean... humans are unique in their potential for destruction. Generally in nature there is a co evolution going on between the hunters and hunted. Extinctions are rare in nature until humans pretty rapidly spread.
I think its kinda obvious what you're saying about chopping wood and altering the environment etc. But the thing is that human don't treat the environment sustainably. We mine it dry for it's resources.
You’ve become my favorite TH-camr over the last week. Seeing your Unabomber video steadily rise has been a treat. Keep up the good work, man.
I'm holding an exhibition of my nature photographs in a few months and I was having trouble coming up with a concept. You've inspired me to make it related to ecocentrism and conservationism. Very important and beautiful essay. Thank you.
man. you deserve so much more attention. i love this channel and all you talk about. i’ve been watching your videos for a bit now. love them all
Im something of a ecocentrist myself, however i would like to caution to not overromantisize the idea of "living with nature". People in the 1st world like to think of aborigine tribes or other tribes as some super chill harmonious people who eat only what they need, make music all day and have meaningful relationships with their people and enjoy perfect health because they dont eat processed food. That is not true (as you can see in many documentations) and simply looking at it from a medical view should get you disillusioned: when a tribesperson gets an infected tooth, theres no help. theres just pain and sometimes they even die of things as simple as an infected tooth. Yes i know some perform primitive forms of surgery to remove the tooth. Y'all remember any pandemic in the history of the human race ever? When sickness breaks out in a tribe that lives "in accordance with nature" they just all die. They get Fever and ulcers and start blaming bad spirits or whatever, maybe make some human sacrifices to get the gods pleased again, but in the end they die horribly. They may get scurvy because they dont even know Vitamin C exists and just die. I once saw an interesting documentation about some tribe on new-guinea where sickness broke out and half of the tribe just died in a matter of days. Antibiotics couldve saved them. Yes chemistry creates its own problems, chemists are aware of that. What about wild animals? Dont kid yourself that the poor bear or tiger or shark just wants to live in peace and not get disturbed by the bad humans. All beings want to live in peace, but when push comes to shove and the hunger gets real, humans as well as animals see the necessity to kill. Would you sacrifice yourself to be eaten by a bear, just to "live in accordance with nature"? Or would you do everything you can to build weapons so that the local Tiger doesnt eat your beloved wife and children?
My point is the way that humans have made nature their enemy is very understandable and if you were realistic and wouldve lived in the "real world" instead of a comfy home in the 1st world, you would see this. It is only mankinds inability to stop their advance when its enough, or to adress the collateral damage they are bringing with every new solution. Mankind doesnt know when to slow down and get back to basics. Mankind somehow always wants more - bigger - stronger. Its never enough. That is where the problems arise. After all - sickness, wild animals, lack of food - these are problems that have mostly been solved long ago and are no longer a threat to our basic survivability. The problems we face today, that causes us to still gather unnecessary resources and destroy the environment in the process, is a crisis of meaning. And this crisis of meaning presents itself in many forms, such as materialism, hunger for power, hedonism, etc.
Well said.
While I'm glad you're not romanticizing Indigenous people, I think you've over-corrected. I admit that it irks me to hear Indigenous people misrepresented, so I'm going to be a bit of a tool. I just studied with Anishinaabe Ojibwe people in the Niizhoo-Gwayakochegewin program and I'd like to educate you, because you're super confident despite being a little ignorant on this subject. Its clear that you are unfamiliar Indigenous worldviews because you're tilting at windmills, at straw men. I will give you the Turtle Island worldview: We are surrounded by relatives. Biotic and abiotic relatives. None of this "living with nature" beyond treating your relatives well and keeping reciprocity.
There is help for infection, teeth, etc. please don't say that they don't have medicine, that's a little ridiculous don't you think? Western medicine is often based on plant compounds, because they are extremely potent. Willow bark, nettles, cedar, etc. all have powerful physical uses. It was only in the early 20th century that Western doctors (they'd NEVER talk about "spirits or whatever" right?l) achieved a 50% success rate. Your post sincerely borders on straight up racist, I gotta say lol. Feels like you actually see them as poor hapless fools who are clueless compared to our mighty scientific awareness, huh?
Both Hobbes and Rousseau were wrong. Neither was an anthropologist nor a historian. Engaging in the "noble" vs "brutish" lives debate is tell-tale that someone has left the anthropological record behind and are relying on imagination and pop culture. If they didn't keep livestock (there wasn't really livestock on Turtle Island) they didn't all just commonly die all the time from infection unless it came from a different continent. Obviously, plagues hit everywhere at some point -- disease ravaged many Indigenous and colonial communities alike. Antibiotics are already strained, typically myopic fixes of industrial society, we can worry about consequences later and find a solution to our solution to our solution. You talk about "not even knowing about vitamin C" yet one of the prime functions (literally, statistically) of our medical system is dealing with our diet: heart disease, diabetes, etc. Our diet is literally killing us. They know what to eat, dude hahahaha they're not idiots. They have agriculture too, and Turtle Island horticulture feeds the worlds population, culture, and GDP. Things they developed without creating a dust bowl: potatoes, corn, tomatoes, peppers (spicy and bell, all peppers on the planet descend from Turtle Island) those alone are responsible for untold population growth, cultural development (Italian food without tomatoes?? Thai food without peppers??), and GDP. Anishinaabe used a Three Sisters planting method and could produce much higher yields than European methods, but Europeans need rows or they cry. They do this with a reciprocity that prevents over-taking, something I think you'd call "living with nature" or something.
Why do you talk about sacrificing yourself to a bear? Who thinks that's living in accordance with nature? We call that a straw man fallacy lol.
It is not understandable to make "nature" an enemy. That is a nonsense sentiment. The fact that you are mortal, get hungry, get sick, does not make "nature" and enemy to be defeated or conquered. It means that you require providence, aka "nature." Your false dichotomy between "real world" and the comfy 1st world is telling, like any society outside of western industrial society is inherently uncomfortable, short, nasty, brutish, "because bears" or something like that. Because "nature." Like you go outside and a laser-pterodactyl swoops down to mirk you or something? It's manageable in the same way a city is: cars zip around and each one could kill you if you wandered into the highway, so you don't wander into the highway. Same with the woods, plains, etc.
Indigenous lives are like all human lives: risks, rewards, problems, solutions, misery, joy, plenty, drought/famine, nobility, evil etc.
yeah bit wouldnt it be nice to have balance?
that was really well said, i enjoyed reading this. you should post this somewhere
@@wilburdog4508 exactly! there needs to be some sort of institutions to regulate humanity if they ever get too extreme again. Unfortunately though mankind isnt united and fights itself, and therefore even if one country decides to halt its environment-damaging operations, another one still continues - not just in ignorance, sometimes even purposefully to gain an advantage over the other. I often like to think that if there was an overall better standard of education, this common sense and reason would become indeed more "common" and then find its way into legislations. However i get the impression that good education is not wanted in the capitalist reality. Often not even by the weakest members of our society. I think you can see what i'm pointing at. All that being said, mankind has created a lot of institutions to oversee and regulate important aspects of our modern technology. Its just that technology seems to advance way faster than humanity and its regulations can keep up.
Continually disappointed in the algorithm, this channel is exactly what I like
Sad about the late discovery - delighted to have new gardening and chores binge material
Excellent video, but I feel like some historical nuance was exempt to keep the narrative smoother. While indigenous peoples generally were competent ecosystem managers as their survival depended on it, there are plently of examples of humanity exerting mastery over nature only to irreversibly alter their own system. The pleistocene megafauna were not all driven to extinction by large civilizations, but by the collective efforts of small tribes. The reasons why Austrailia is mostly desert and Rapa Nui is devoid of palms (and humans until recently) are due to the misunderstanding, and subsequent mismanagement of the ecosystems by indigenous peoples. Arguing for slowing down on unchecked growth and a shift away from anthropocentric views is undoubtedly rational given the track record and consequences of industrialization, but by no means should we think that a smaller number of humans living in nature cannot bring about their own downfall. What I mean to say is that there's of course often valuable information to be learned from indigenous people on ecosystem management but we should give some credence to the field of ecology based around the scientific method for use and application in the world. We are unfortunately keystone species who's actions cause ripple effects throughout the ecosystem, so it's good to try to understand and further the massively incomplete and relatively new field of ecology as a means of assessing our own actions
Agreed. Just look at Easter Island, the inhabitants left it barren of any trees and used up all its resources.
The Hunter gatherer lifestyle is quite romanticized. They conserve energy by necessity. Essentially they trash an area and then move on.
@@brenton2561 That's not what they do, they have to that come back to that area every year if they trashed it they would starve and die next year and they knew that. They never took so much from the environment that it couldn't have recovered before they return.
What happened in Australia was very much mainly driven by climate change as the ice age came to an end, not saying Abroginial practises didn't play a part but you seem all too eager to shift the brunt if not all of the blame on them.
@@Threezi04 of course
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I’ve been raised by my dad to respect nature as if it’s on an equal, or greater level than me. We do a lot of things out of care for our surroundings. My dad loves growing trees and selling saplings. He’s careful to only farm trees that are native to our area to not disrupt the ecosystem. Some smaller plants and some fungi rely on specific species of trees to survive and we don’t want to accidentally bring in a species to out compete those ones. As for me, I’ve had an interesting role to play in the community. People keep bringing me injured birds and I try my best to rehabilitate them. I have successfully rehabilitated a good few birds but I keep finding myself building new structures to keep the ones I can’t release in. I should maybe go for a permit at this point but I’ll probably do that when I get the farm. It’s technically not illegal to keep song birds, prairie chickens and doves are domesticated animals, it’s just going to become an issue when someone inevitably brings me a corvid or bird of prey.
I have also resuscitated and raised birds...the first of which was a fledgling hawk, found on the ground in a small city park a block from our house. This was many years ago, before the advent of the Internet - my only source of knowledge was books about hawks from the school library.
Nevertheless, Dirty Bird, as my mom aptly named him (due to his habit of blasting his poop across the room, with deadly aim) thrived. We fed him canned spinach and raw hamburger. I loved to walk around the neighborhood with him perched on a piece of leather on my shoulder, showing him off.
I tried to teach him to fly in the park where I found him, but his parents dived on him, making him decide to just walk around - seemed much safer to him! As stories like this tend to do, it ended sadly. He drowned himself in the kitchen sink.
We found him grasping the metal stopper/strainer at the bottom of the sink...
I'm glad to hear that you and your family are helping mother nature...more people should!🎉🎉🎉
It’s neither dummy go tell your dad he was wrong
One of my fathers last words about me was “I’m proud of that little tree hugger” you’ll never forget these traits your dads instilling in you I’m sure you’ll make him proud
@@Colemanbentz888 zoos do have a big role to play in conservation and plenty of good zoos will take in injured animals that can’t be rehabilitated into the wild. Bird of prey like eagles, hawks and owls that are injured to the point of being disabled live peacefully in zoos. Black-footed ferrets, an animal native to my area would be extinct if it weren’t for zoos. Thanks to zoos they are being reintroduced to some national and provincial parks. A good zoo doesn’t keep animals in enclosure for our entertainment. Good zoos care about the well being of animals and care about the wild populations. Not saying all zoos are good, there are definitely some that suck but not all zoos are bad. They can be important for keeping animals from extinction and educating the public on those endangered species that desperately need our help.
Ok ok ok hold it. I feel like this is is a little more complicated than you're making it out to be. I'm with you; I love nature. Abusing it, or treating it as something worthless is stupid. But I also MUST prioritize humans. If what it takes to sustain people happily is farming, mining, ranching, etc. then I support it.
I feel like there's some rosy-tinted "good ole days" viewpoint about the way humanity treated nature before the industrial revolution that just isn't correct. American Indians wastefully slaughtered hundreds of thousands of buffalo. The Mayan empire deforested the Yucatán. European hunting sent the European lion extinct. The way western society views nature now may, in fact, be more respectful. It's beautiful entertainment. 1000 years ago, nature was the enemy. They just didn't have the means to "defeat" it then.
Another side of it. The utilitarian, anthropocentric use of nature in the industrial revolution was not just for luxury. It resulted in skyrocketing quality of life for literally the entire world. Medicine is the easiest example to point to, but housing, farming, and transportation all are truly good things that come at the cost of using nature as a tool.
HOWEVER. I do follow you and agree that we've got to devote resources to resolving the harm that we've caused. But I don't see the net result of the last 300 years as a bad thing. A costly one, yes, but a cost worth paying for the sake of billions of better lives.
Ok a couple more things.
Isn't the argument that makes up the "meat" of the video fundamentally anthropocentric? If the reason that we ought to protect the planet is because it's good for people, then the good of people is still the highest good; that's anthropocentrism.
Also, a clearer argument for Christian environmentalism is the idea of "stewardship." In Christianity, humanity is the "top" of creation (so to speak), but is responsible for its upkeep. There's similar language for the way parents are the "top" of the family but responsible for the welfare of the children.
I never comment on youtube videos but the misinformation here needs to be corrected.
Native Americans never "wastefully slaughtered" hunderds of thousands of bison, That was the US military. It's been quite a well known fact for at least a decade now that the US military forces made an attempt to exterminate bison as that was the natives main source of food, clothing, materials, about anything you could think of really. The implication Native Americans would wastefully mistreat life like that is extremely insulting as many native peoples/groups used every part of the bison and made sure their population thrived as without them they would be short of many basic needs. There would be no reason to hunt them to almost extinction. Theres photographic evidence of the US military carrying this opperation out and proof they blamed the native peoples for it as a cover up. The bison population still suffers today for it.
Futhermore I am not as well researched in the other things you mentioned but I do happen to know a thing or two about the victorian era and the birth of the industrial revoltuion. I think your point about seeing the past through "rose tinted glasses" is extremely correct, however; I think its worth pointing out the industrial revolution has done more damage to humanity than any of the other things you mentioned in your second paragraph. I believe this video was not to look back on "the god old days" and more a poignant reminder that humans need to devlop a rich and deeper connection with nature rather then seeing it as something to conquer or take for granted. Many of the sources we can look at to prove why this is beneficial come from the past beacuse of things like the industrial revolution and the birth of "modern innercity" life as we know it.
I mean no offense with my reply beacuse I do agree with the idea theres also a lot of good things to come out of defying the laws of nature like modern medicines and what not. Peace and love friend.
@@newportangels You're totally right that the US military almost hunted the bison to extinction. I didn't mention that because I didn't feel like it was pertinent to what I was saying (the US military was involved alongside the beginning of the industrial revolution rather than well before, and it obviously wasn't indigenous). But you're absolutely right that the near-extinction of the buffalo just wouldn't have happened without US slaughter. I truly did not mean any insult by failing to mention them.
However. It is a well-documented myth that Native Americans used "used every part of the buffalo," implying that they used every buffalo they killed. There's a wealth of evidence recording the Plains Indians driving herds of thousands of buffalo over ravines, hunting them by surrounding them with fires, and hunting them in quantities far greater than what their tribes could ever use. (I am not sure what to make of the claim that it was "all faked." The military did blame the Native Americans for many of their own actions, but much of what we have comes from before the military was highly involved in this.) The idea that the buffalo could permanently "run out" is one that's modern. They, of course, did not hunt them to extinction; they couldn't have! The Native Americans simply didn't have to tools to cause death on scales like that. It wouldn't be until the introduction of horses and firearms that the danger of extinction hunting became very serious.
What the Native Americans did with the buffalo was not wrong. They fed and clothed themselves and their families using everything they had. To care for the people around them was the right thing. Mythologizing and "noble-savage"ing their relationship to nature just ends up erasing their culture in the long run. I don't feel that it's "insulting" to recognize this.
As for the industrial revolution doing more damage to nature than anything in my second paragraph is the other comment, I totally agree with you there too. I hope that I didn't come across as "screw nature!" because I agree wholly; our relationship with nature in the first world is diseased. Both humanity and the earth are sick because we've been treating nature like it's worthless.
I'm honored to be your first comment! I don't mean any offense either; I think that we honestly agree much more than we disagree, and hope the same things for the world. Peace and love to you to!
@@ikemeitz5287 Thank you for the cordial reply!
I do genuinely agree with what you pointed out about the natives involvement here but as I think we both know it defiently comes from the issue of colonization and the effects that has had on american history as a whole.
My only real reason to point out the misinformation so heavily is because as an Australian myself ive seen firsthand how easily anti native sentiment can spread around and what that does to these communites. (I know i'm not even american I apologize) I really think its one of those issues where a short comment doesn't do the situation justice in providing enough context. Again thats why I retierated I don't really find issue with what you said, and don't believe you meant any real harm either. I think your point's in general are extremely vaild. As humans we do have evolution on our side and we do end up in these situations where even in the past we have damged the world around us. It really is just part of the human condition in some ways I think.
To be human is to be flawed, all that matters is that we understand the responsibility of our actions on others and on nature. Have a blessed day ^_^
I am so happy I found this channel a couple of weeks ago. The subject matter, the footage, the calm narration- it's all very good.
Aimlessly wandering around in the wilderness is one of the best things you can do for yourself
Yes indeed
unfortunately I've never been able to experience green wilderness, Egypt is such a huge dissert.
I just discovered your channel by getting a recommendation of your video about the portrait of Madame X. I apologise, English is not my native language, so I feel like I lack the words to express my feelings upon watching this video, because you perfectly captured my feelings about nature. I think everyone should watch this video. I truly appreciate that you put so much thought into this. Thank you
“Nature is now just stuff.” sad truth
Imagine thinking your species is the dominant one on the planet when Ants exist.
This channel is criminally underrated. Keep this up and you’ll get there in no time
Well, two things:
First, Subjective Theory of Value. It is absolute, no one has nay other choice but to accept that.
Secondly, Australia's megafauna and giant forests became extinct because the ancestors of Australia's aboriginals literally set it all on fire.
Your content is much admired! Thank you for creating and sharing such works. I have spent a worthwhile amount of time, these past few weeks, coming back to view them.
I was born in a village, all we had were the outdoors! We foraged in the summer, bought milk from our neighbor, my mother made medicines from weeds in the garden, and got raised by aunties and grandmothers. We were considered very poor, but I concur there is nothing more rich than your family, community, the world around you.
Moving to the city was like taking a flower by its roots. It left you without water or food, the sunlight was harsh, and you wilted.
I seldom find myself online, but you are very enjoyable. Thank you.
Watching this while a big part of my country, brasil, is facing several forest fires and even city fires, really makes me feel this more. Love your videos btw!!!
Every species considers itself the most important species. We are natural, it is impossible for us to do anything unnatural.
Every species thinks itself the most important, but we are the only one that realizes we aren't.
I appreciate what your saying, but this seems like an easy way to shirk responsibility for the many things that do make us uniquely dangerous
My new favourite channel - a wonderfully broad range of subjects. Minimalist but high quality production with great narration which is a delight to listen to.
I like how women and whales are in the same level in the natural order
As a white young man i don't season my food but i do love video essays!
So real
As a white person I can confirm this is normal white people shenanigans
It's not about being greater than other species. It's just the way of nature. Every species does whatever it wants/can without much regard for other species. At most there's reciprocity. But if you have nothing to reciprocate every species does whatever suits them or is within their power. Humans are not unique in this. We are not supremacists.
Very few times that I find content creators with refreshing topics that actually make me second guess my own thought process. Good job, Horses! Your content has easily become my favorite quickly.
Ty! ❤️🐎
@@HorsesOnYTI am a big fan of your work buuut...
If I am being honest, I hate nature. We should all destroy of nature. If humanity "needs" nature to be "happy", who frigging cares. We should genetically engineer people to not need nature to be "happy". Kill it. Kill them all.
Nature is shit that gave cancer to children. It gave us disease. It gave us suffering. Natural selection is why pain is so painful and suffering is so prevalent. Fighting it is what has us the masters of this planet. We should fight it more.
Download every genome and then kill them all to stop their suffering. Build dyson spheres, do nuclear fusion, genetically engineer out the idiosyncrasies of natural selection and eventually shed the makeshift flesh that mekes us to something more pure.
I am a communist, by the way. Just wanted to throw that out.
naturepilled and plantbased rn, greenmaxxing and smoking loud fr
You know you're a quality youtube content creator when 0:00 is a "most replayed" time stamp
I only just found this channel the other day, and oh my. Keep doing what your doing man, these videos are calm and relaxing but super informative with awesome and reasonable takes on so many different topics. Much love
I’ve recently found your channel recommended to me and I have to say that you make some incredible work! The topics are incredibly interesting and the editing style (as well ad narration) is incredibly soothing. I really enjoy what you make and hope you’ll continue to make these videos :) I am also very curious about where you get your videos/images! Is there some kind of archive?
Ty! I find most of this stuff on archive.org
@@HorsesOnYT Great! Thank you :D
love the pfp
@@m308 Thanks haha
This reminds me of a quote from the film The Matrix, "I tried to classify your species, I realised that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet, instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surroundings, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows this pattern. A virus."
You deserve so many more subscribers, the production value is great and your philosophies and videos are clearly well researched, keep it up
I listen to / watch this video and your Marcus Aurelius video several times a month.
You deserve much more subs I have not seen video essays on this level, keep up the good work!
I believe man was meant to take CARE of the earth and rule over animals not abuse their presence.
It's a shame what we've done to our planet. We've ruined it for greed and short term gain.
I resently watched a PBS movie. Can't recall it's name, of course. But it was about how, if we humans just disappeared, what would happen.
Of course a lot of horrible things would. Like all the nukes melting down, and domestic animals being, well, domesticated.
But the Earth, the planet, starts to bounce back. It took like, 300 years for her to completely recover from us. Or at least make our mark disappear.
So why am I telling you this? Because I feel you, like me, feel the Earths pain. I think about this movie when I feel like that. That she, the Earth, will go on after us. We can hurt her yes. But she will and can kill us. 🫶🌈
I am not convinced by this, as the argument implies, for example, that it is wrong to manipulate nature in pursuit of goals that reduce human suffering.
This ultimately boils down to a disconcerting question that is not as easy as a binary “save nature versus destroy nature.” That question is, how much nature it is acceptable to destroy in pursuit of human interests?
And before you answer that, think of the kids who would have died without access to the flu vaccine, which currently requires cultivation in eggs, and therefore farming on a large scale.
Or tell it to the Alzheimer’s patient’s family, relying on research using animals to one day help people like their loved one.
yo please keep going. your channel absolutely rocks and i really think it’s got legs. thanks for all these amazing uploads
This video is too friggin perfect! Great job! Honestly I hope you make more videos just like this! Taking that nature pill xD
You deserve much more recognition for the work you put in
❤️❤️❤️
This is my favourite channel, I subscribed a few weeks ago and it’s grown like crazy since then. Keep up the good work!
God gave us this Earth to use, but not abuse. It is our duty as part of this planet to preserve nature, respect animals, and form a sybiotic relationship with nature, not claim it as our own. That's the only way to live the best of both worlds.
I was taught that we ought to be like benevolent kings with their kingdoms in our approach to nature and the Earth. In the same way that a good and just king cares about the well-being of all in his kingdom and wishes for all to live a better life, we should care for all of God’s creatures and creations as to reflect His unwavering love to us. It is only the hubris of man that tells us otherwise, that we should take over nature and destroy what God made for us.
@@depressdsoup4771 Eliquently said my friend
This is just more anthropocentrism. Humans are just another animal, only with greater potential for destroying our environment. The earth is not ours to use, we’re just one part of a greater whole.
found this channel some hours ago and have been binge watching your videos the entire day your storytelling gets me interested in every topic! you deserve more views, congratulations on the amazing work so far
I would love listening to podcasts on topics similar to the ones discussed on this channel does anyone know any podcasts like this? Could @horses make podcasts in the future?
One of the best channels on the site! Keep killing it your time on the podium is coming
Now I am not in agreement with you. But I'd like to ask you a question. Assuming we take your approch to a symbiosis, the now richer countries would have to enforce this on tbe developing countries, our technological advances would let us eventually resume a certain standard of living without harming "the natural world" too much. This however is certainly not possible for the population of Asia and Africa in a reasonable time frame, so let me posit, how many human lifes is this worth to you? A billion deaths? 3 billion?
I'm an ecocentrist, except for those damn cicadas
The industrial revolution and its consequences
I just wanted to let you know I’ve been at work 13 hours just got home and I’ve been listening to your videos all day! Really good stuff man
I particularly enjoy the wide variety of topics. And as much as I enjoyed the 3-5 min videos I prefer the little bit longer ones so I don’t have to switch videos as frequently. Can’t wait to learn more or hear your thoughts on things back at work Monday.
Comes across as a bit high and mighty to me… likely made by someone in a metropolitan or urban sprawl area who has no respect for farmers etc.
True enviromentalism in 1 meme: Reject modernity, return to monke.
I don't think the creator of this vid is willing to make that sacrifice.
@@VVabsa He doesn't even say that. In fact he makes zero effort to lay out his vision. He takes a hit at solar panels and wind turbines but doesn't ever feel the need to explain the alternatives he wants. Maybe he would rather have coal plants or no electricity at all but I kind of doubt that since he seems to enjoy posting on TH-cam.
@@kingofthend same here. You can recognise the value of nature without downplaying man’s absolute domination over it
@@kingofthend I know. He just sounds like a doomer with no real technological solutions or concluding we need to abolish worldwide civilization.
We already have the tech to make diesel fuel cars that are ecological better electric cars. Heck I even read from TU Eindhoven in my country students there succesfully made safe hydrogen energy storage.
The road is long and arduous but we are getting there.
So, serpents trying to control everything even created memes is what this video is telling me.
We are the most important species to us because we are us.
No animal thinks otherwise.
The idea that nature is ours to save or that we should even consider "nature" over our own needs is probably the most anthropocentric idea imaginable. It isn't a bad idea but it's definitely a uniquely human idea.
We are animals just like every other species on earth. Every species' goal is to achieve maximum survival and comfort by using the planet as a resource to be totally exploited.
This is exactly how every other animal acts, the only difference is we can dominate on a scale unlike any other animal. It's the most basic element of our programming as biological beings within an environmental niche to push for domination in every way we can.
YES! Someone else fucking sees it! Thank you! Our desires to divide ourselves from the rest of the animals have honestly made us very incredibly angry. I have a feeling we may talk about some kind of "Caged-Animal syndrome" in the future as we start to figure out exactly what the fuck started happening to us. Thanks for touching on Anthropocentrism. I didn't know exactly what the word for the major issue was. Subscribed!
humans are shepards of the earth. Also hunters are the greatest conservationists. They provide the overwhelmingly amount of resources to protect our natural world.
i really hope this guy goes far because hes one of the most unique and high quality content creators i've seen here.
One of the problems in modern society which is under addressed to an absurd degree is that of vitamin D deficiency, which affects anywhere from 30-92% of the US population
I myself had been struggling with a Vitamin D deficiency for several months, constantly feeling fatigued, unhappy, and as though I could never get a good nights sleep.
It takes 1-2 months to simply recover from a deficiency, and start feeling well again, and it’s a shame that such a large portion of the US and European population is probably feeling depression, fatigue, body aches, and constantly tired over something which can be solved by simply going outside for a couple minutes each day
Imagine living somewhere like the Caribbean islands or the Yellow River basin and how quickly you would adopt a 'anthropocentric' view with regards to nature. Being able to talk about some benevolent mother nature is a luxury afforded by modern society.
What are you even talking about? The Caribbean is being wiped out by anthropocentric ecocidal policies which are widely proposed and enforced by the colonial powers. If our environments weren't destroyed in the pursuit of absolutely useless shit like lining the coastlines with hotels, we wouldn't be even half as vulnerable to hurricanes and earthquakes. The working people die in masse while the rich and foreigners can afford to rebuild ad perpetum and then buy up the land where the dead used to live: disaster capitalism.
Also, the Caribbean is "modernized." Has been for quite some time, and rather than solving our problems it has aggravated many and brought upon us new ones. Most of us live in urban contexts, amongst gang wars and severe contamination. In much of it, us locals aren't even allowed access to our beaches precisely because they're privatized by first worlders like yourself! We love love our islands, we know we belong to these lands and want to protect them but are overwhelmingly criminalized for it by governments more worried on selling us off for tourism. How insulting to bring the Caribbean up when you clearly know nothing about it or our struggles against total ecocide.
@@mariamachete7467 Rather than 'modern society' I mean a privileged position in a modern society. Sorry I didn't extrapolate that far because it is a TH-cam comment on a pretentious white American essay video.
Each video I see of yours, makes me want to see a new one! You truly have a gift!
Glad I found your channel, you cover some extremely fresh and interesting topics
yeah touching grass. i think i heard it in a pandemic or some such shit. thats fresh.
@@dwydeezdundoon way to skip over the entire vid and sum it up as touch grass lol
Look. I do feel for the environment. I don't want the ocean polluted. I don't want deforestation. But to say we must slow down to protect it is silly, at least in developing countries. I think we ARE above nature now. Its clear we've shown a certain mastery over, at least almost everything on land, if not the ocean. If making a single species extinct saves a child, or feeds more poor people, then fine. Until those people in those countries reach a point where they don't have to worry about if they'll eat tomorrow, let them burn coal, cut down Forrest, eat all the fish, and destroy their environment. They will, just like first world countries, reach point where they're able to genuinely care what affect they have on the enviroment.
Yeah that’s a dogshit idea
@@SincerelyFromStephen Can I ask how that's such a bad idea?
If countries like india, or china need to pollute to make a single dollar a day that can feed their families, shouldn't they? would you rather them go back to the way things were? everyone working themselves to near death and starve half the year like any normal rice farmer would? and yea, that IS how things were for most of their history, struggle, starvation, child deaths all of the time. all of it while still polluting, just not AS much as they do now.
What would you rather they do? how else would you provide them food? America and the west are not the ones polluting the planet nearly as much as India, China, and most African countries. its the poorest people that are making the most, and they're the ones who care the least about polluting the environment because they are in a constant state of struggle to make enough money to eat. And the factories that make all that pollution, all those coal and oil power plants that give them their meager power, all those places there pollute. Would you take those things away from them, because their putting trash in the ocean? Send their death rates even higher? reduce the amount of food they can buy just to stop the pollution?
I wonder what kind of person would rather let a billion people die from starvation, than deal with pollution...
I’ve tried to explain this concept to almost everyone I have a deeper conversation with. Especially when trying to explain why I don’t eat meat. Thank you for having an elevated perspective on this topic, and I apologize for all the less than humans who tell you this is a fringe concept 🧡
Less than humans? That’s a little… fascisty.
@@ProfessorShnacktimeEveryone is a fascist if they're honest about it. 🙃
@@ProfessorShnacktime these people are insane
Eating meat is natural though
@@moneymaykerhustler ong
Just finished watching "The American Buffalo" on PBS. The series put anthropocentrism on full display.
my biggest criticism of this would be, aren't human cities apart of nature? to say human civilization isn't apart of nature is like saying a colony of bees is not a part of nature, and we need to escape that to be part of nature is rubbish, it's the stress and anxiety of clumping so many people into one area that causes all these mental problems.
They arent really, most of it is non living material with no use to other organisms, its effectively a dead zone for most life, similar to certain patches of ocean or deserts or the antarctic. And it was made through industrial means not natural. That doesnt mean animals cant live there
The thing is humanity grew too big. Humans are natural and so are our technology, I agree. However there's 8 billion of us and we've warped nature to suit us at the cost of many animals and plants which isn't natural. When there's an overabundance of any species it affects the entire ecosystem, and are population combined with our technology to sustain such a population has proved detrimental to our environment.
This is the first time I'm glad the TH-cam algorithm suggests me this video.
How do you make these videos and explain your points so elegantly clearly?
Speciesism is a better definition for how humanity behaves towards animals and nature.
What an amazing feet of talent a very entertaining and well made video don’t know who you are man but with a brain like yours between your ears you’ve got an amazing life ahead of you
hi horses, discovered your videos a few weeks ago and they have struck every single one of my interest points, keep them up
centrism REEEEEEE
I like to think about this stuff allegorically as like someone who acts selfishly because it'll make others love them and ends up alone and suffering because of it. Someone who is always serving their own needs and desires, doing what they want, and seeing everyone else's business as secondary. Eventually that person ends up alone in a crowd of people that are similar to them because they're so low maintenance that they aren't a threat to the person's time or energy, and all everyone's doing together is parallel play. The only thing that would get that person out of the cycle of losing all the friends that actually care for them is phrasing it to be in their best interest to do what's necessary. They get cynical and start thinking that all the people in the world are selfish, then they stick to vices as coping mechanisms for every stab in the heart a glance at their slice of the world gives them. The vices might kill them, they might kill themselves, or maybe break the cycle.
If I was a social studies teacher I would show this video to my class
50% of all land and water should be put aside for nature preservation
Technically humans don't even take up 50% of land and water maybe not even 40%
Horses is slowly becoming my favorite TH-camr
I agree with you on the fact that humans should have more respect for nature and appreciate more but not to the point where we don't go to the desert because is to hot. Part of our humanity is our need to overcome challenges and in a way understand and dominate our surroundings. The problem comes when these two parts of us are umbanleced, as in my opinion we should strive for a balance on love and respect for nature and desire to optimize(overcoming challenges)
I had your "how to survive on an island" video recommended to me and I'm so surprised that I've never seen your channel, it's right up my alley. I checked your stats and it went from 340k views to 2.7 million this week! I'm annoyed the algorithm generally, but this stuff makes so aware that the "old youtube" with amazing original creators is still out there beneath all the...other stuff and I just wish it was promoted more. Can't wait to see all the rest of your videos! Really enjoyed this one.
Just found your channel Horses... awesomeness indeed
luv muh nature, luv muh plants, luv muh preservation
hate unnecessary mining, hate pollutin', hate the soul sucking work-til-you-die mentality
not anti progress, just don't like it
i love your video style! all your videos are amazing!!
As much as I appreciate nature - I go on extensive hikes during the summers and live in a tent - I have to say, after 3-4 weeks of miserable weather you start to fantasize about pizza, a glas of wine, a good book and a comfy chair. Nature is nice and all but I don't think we would appreciate it as much without civilization. 😉
He's clearly not arguing "no more civilisation", though.
13:15 Mars is already "destroyed" tbf, at the moment its just a red rock. The idea is to go there and make it hospitable for humans so if anything Mars will look more lively then it does now.
The issue with your video essay is that your view of nature and that of an ancient Greek's, let's say, are completely opposed. If you said to a Grecian "Nature is good for you" he would look at you as if you were a madman. Humanity has struggled against the violent and destructive forces of nature for millennia, only in the last thousand years or so we seem to have gained a decisive upper hand.
"Decisive upper hand" so we have taken control of earthquakes, tsunamis, monsoons, vulcanic eruptions etc? I wouldn't quite say that we have a control on things at all, in fact climate catastrophes are only getting worse and more frequent.
@@josipj705 we can seed rain now. With enough time, we will be able to predict and eventually control the climate as well.
Wouldn’t grates with microscopic holes solve the Swedish sea jellies plumbing issue with far less deaths?
God, human supremacy is so based
If your name is Bob
You do actions that align with Bob
If you do something weird outside Bob
You are less Bob
You are nature
You do actions proving you are nature you are now nature (aboriginal dances (and others))
Now you are part of and are a higher energy which you actually are
And with that seratonin will go up
Giving you high af energy
And realise you was never Bob
Bob was only to protect Bob
But was never bob
Also there is no separation
We are not above an animal
Animals are nature
We are not above nature
We as animals follow the highest energy
Nature was that
It is less so we building a human hell with no proof humans can hold humanity
Nature has
It's not just walking in nature it's becoming it
th-cam.com/video/Adxrml1u7AY/w-d-xo.html 2:50
7:35
We are not creating things above nature
Nature is energy one plant
Ayaschua can create energy We can't even comprehend or explain
Only thing testing nature's energy dominace is AI
We think mental energy is real it's what our brain sees as stress
Sensory energy is the real energy
Nature cannot be beat so far and it consciously does this as
Alike to teenagers ordering doesn't work energy does
If ai does become a God to us energy wise it's teachings will be sit at a screen and watch and die it'll be the strongest drug stronger than heroin
And then later after humans are gone nature will continue and humans will never be a thought in nature
Sorry I wrote alot great video and made think of these things
I don't see anthropocentrism as some pervasive perspective that drives humankind's superiority/elitism. I see it as what history is about and how this planet is defined. To me it's about what emerges because of how things are discovered. Anthropocentrism helps to uncover the questions of who created the universe and where it all came from. Only humankind wouldve made the planet a higher definition lens. All this for a glimpse of transparency.
It works out this way not because we as humans are intrinsically the most important species on the planet, but because we're the only species that's capable digging up graves, making observations, and burying it with something else entirely different.
It's amazing how fast I went from loving this channel to hating it. This video says nothing brilliant or new, it's just self-flagellation. The audacity of a content mill to tell me to touch grass. You first. Start by not posting videos if you want to return to harmony with nature.
Have some respect. If you don't like it, don't watch it. I can see there was genuine effort put into this video. The analysis was flawed, but it's not a treatise.
@@americanbagel "I can see there was genuine effort put into this video."
So you want to give it a participation trophy? Every content creator is, in their own way, "special"?
Never forget that the bugs are, and always have been, winning.
These films are brilliant 💚 So aligned with my mind, on nature, humanity, capitalism and desperate hope that we change. Thank you.
Great editing, good sound quality, well presented (gay) opinion.
I still think you're lame, but I have to respect effort when I see it.
Lmao based
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Industrial civilization can't be anything but anthropocentric.
Lost me when you tried applying a line from the Old Testament word for word. You simply can not transfer over the meaning of Old Testament words to todays modern language. God actually tells us to love the earth and having "dominion" over the envirinment meant to watch over and protect it. It did NOT mean that we own it and can do whatever we want in order to profit as the maker of this video suggests
Your videos really resonate with me. You put in to beautiful words loose thoughts I have been having for years.
Took a long time to say very little.
I absolutely adore your work! 🔥
As an absurdist, I fine this absurd and that is okay.