They should add new AI lvl above Extreme, named just Viper, created by DeepMind just analyzing Viper and playing against itself. I wonder what abomination would come from that.
@@arkadiuszjandylewski152 A0 is totally about calculation, in a more complex games like aeo where there's a lot of creativity involved it would get crashed by any decent human player
@about 17:00 when people are saying that Supplies are going to hurt goths, its not because supplies are magically going to break the game by making more civs build the militia line, but its because Goths, who are a mid to low tier civ, arent getting any buffs, while everyone else is getting a potential buff. So especially in Infantry v Infantry matchups ie. Goths v Slavs/Malay, Goths are going to be worse than before
It's a potential buff to their infantry, but like Viper said it doesn't change the power-spike of a fully boomed Goth player and I doubt any civ that wouldn't previously go infantry to counter Goth would start doing so because of the tech. Where it nerfs Goth is that civs like Britons that need to go infantry in Imperial already to counter, and Slavs, can now get their infantry cheaper at that stage. But again that's about cost effectiveness, when Goths win it's usually a snowball based on numbers rather than the opponent running out of res. I'll stop speculating though and wait to see how the meta evolves and if Supplies ever see competitive use.
@@MikeHesk742 that is what I am trying to say though. There are certain civs that go Infantry against goths (or infantry as a buffer with other units behind) and have a better eco than goths. Slavs have a better eco and better infantry late, and both go infantry vs each other. Before it was wayyy more cost effective for goths, now with faster slav farms and less food on champs, the goths will lose that matchup more often. Malay go THSw spam and either arbs or skirms behind, now they will have more floating food. Britons go champs, now they can create more champs. Its not that supplies will revolutionize the game, no one is arguing that. But by giving something to everyone but goths, and not compensating goths in some way, by definition that is a nerf to goths. I could see it if goths were a top tier civ, but they are in the middle of the pack at best, and only excel at countering a blind pick mayans, so nerfing them, even indirectly, makes no sense
At 18:45 you wanted to click in the middle of the TC. But the drop food icon almost made you lose that villager because he stopped as soon as he dropped the resource. I think they should look for that. Great video Snake!
Learning a lot from your hyper aggressive ultra micro gameplay! Just had my first match where I pushed the enemy for real and destroyed them! Now time to face hard AI again... *edit* lost to a rush double my size...
As thats not a bad idea the issue with that is #1 graphically that would add a lot of strain for all these trees to now be animated and this game has always been a game that can be run on basically any computer and #2 it goes against the own games almost simplistic charm. But ig if they added a option to disable it that should fix that.
How is this even possible? I used to beat AI in extreme even 1vs2 in the conquerors edition, in DE extreme is impossible for me, I've seem them go to feudal in 5 minutes and attack me with a full army at 7 minutes
I think we all know that, if they wanted to, the devs could unleash some machine learning AI on us and create an "ultimate AI" that would be unbeatable
So a question for viper in particular (or I guess any regular rated match player) do you think the heavily nerfed HP from towers will reduce how frequent or effective trushing is? Tower civs like Koreans and Incas might still be able to do something with it but otherwise I don't see trushing being near as frequent as it was in HD.
@Viper if you could create a civ composed of 4 traits picked from other civs, 2 unique technologies picked from other civs, and one each of unique unit and team bonus from other civs, along with a tech tree that is full except for 10 techs (you pick which ones it doesn't have), what would it look like?
Viper quick question - about your comment saying you like to control how your wood is used before you turn on autofarm - what if you need to save up wood so you dont make new farms, do you retask those villagers or leave them idle for later when you decide to reseed their farm?
AOE2 DE against AI, is meant for finishing game by Feudal age-Castle Age, cuz AI micros better than you once they are beefed up on econ. sad that you cant really enjoy any race's best units.
Yo biper, im not sure if this is possible but did you try to click at the current age icon on the top once you have the res to advance to the next age? Cuz i noticed it was glowing when you had res b4 click to castle age for example.
Just played my first BF 4v4 on DE -- The AI rushed, then sat in their bases for the rest of the game not farming or attacking. I was looking forward to this so much,. Very disappointing,
Vipey, do you miss the old sounds? I liked in the original you could hear clearly if a villager had been killed on or near your screen, or the sound of a treb firing.
whats wrong with the AI? did someone else notice that the AI is not advancing ages for a long long time? I see a hard AI advance to castle in something like 8mins but here its 11mins for feudal only in Extreme!
wouldn't having cheaper champions be helpful for opponents to kill huskarls? they are a bottom tier civ because they can't get to the strong spam but when they do it's now easier for opponents to make cheaper infantry to counter the huskarls.
I have managed to beat the extreme AI using a rush technique but I’ve been searching for a video of how to beat them late game. If I don’t win early the Ai becomes relentless lol
No possible way u can defeat them if they go castle before you or imperial because they are going to produce everything there is in a millisecond and thats too fast even for viper
Hey guys, i heard this was windows 10 exclusive. I prepurchased the game on steam, and upgrading to windows 10 isn't an option for me. Should i just return the game? Thanks
One tricky part is to limit the AI so that it beats humans on the basis of superior strategy and tactics, not just superhuman reaction time. Wouldn't be much fun to play an AI that can dodge every arrow or perfectly exploit a +1 range advantage to have virtually unhittable armies.
I'd love to see a game against a single Extreme AI, but with a treaty lenght of about 30 mins. Its obviout to me that the AI is kinda weak against rushed, but plays very well if it got a little time do develope.
By a large margin. Barbarian is still weak vs men at arms or tower rush, besides that it is really strong and smart (produce counter units, hit your back with a sneaky second army, analyze the map and the opponent to choose between early feudal rush, late feudal investment, fast castle and boom, etc.). Beating Barbarian without a men at arms or scout rush is very difficult as it can boom and mass units very effectively.
All Know is extreme AI would have gotten gold first try.
This guy seems pretty good at AOC, he should try playing against some professional players
Chashmodai loool
Do you know who he is? lol
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Nah, he's only a silver player
You're kidding right? He's CLEARLY new at this game.
Moon-walking ostrich @26:25. Tries to play it cool afterwards by pecking the ground... Glad they didn't remove this bug
That's a FEATURE not a bug lol
10:46 Trashtalking the AI.
Insult to injury. gg
Edit: Rushing the enemy with troops and spamming 105 taunts seems to be meta.
28:17 when you sold wood at the market it also sold 100 stone. You got the gold for it but I didn't see you click sell stone
The click is faster than what we can see LOL
A Bug perhaps?
Imagine OpenAI working on this game.
That would be incredible to watch. I'm imagining some truly insane quickwalls
@@samus598 AI procedurally generating a labyrinth to delay an enemy army long enough that it can counterattack the enemy base with its own
@@migueeeelet Would be fascinating to see the strategies it would employ & especially against an equivalently abled OpenAI!
This is exactly what I was thinking about ^^
After playing openAI in Dota 2 I just have to say they would be our new overlords
1v11 like that crazy Russian does in Warcraft3 or you're a noob confirmed.
now that would be some serious last stand sheit i would love to watch!
Don't offend him. He is #clearly new to this game.
yea he should do this or he should back to the kitchen
They should add new AI lvl above Extreme, named just Viper, created by DeepMind just analyzing Viper and playing against itself. I wonder what abomination would come from that.
Alpha Zero in Age of Empires would definitely defeat Viper.
@@arkadiuszjandylewski152 When you have so many commands, possible at all times, it would be idiotic to play an AI, which would completely crush you.
@@arkadiuszjandylewski152 A0 is totally about calculation, in a more complex games like aeo where there's a lot of creativity involved it would get crashed by any decent human player
@about 17:00 when people are saying that Supplies are going to hurt goths, its not because supplies are magically going to break the game by making more civs build the militia line, but its because Goths, who are a mid to low tier civ, arent getting any buffs, while everyone else is getting a potential buff. So especially in Infantry v Infantry matchups ie. Goths v Slavs/Malay, Goths are going to be worse than before
It's a potential buff to their infantry, but like Viper said it doesn't change the power-spike of a fully boomed Goth player and I doubt any civ that wouldn't previously go infantry to counter Goth would start doing so because of the tech. Where it nerfs Goth is that civs like Britons that need to go infantry in Imperial already to counter, and Slavs, can now get their infantry cheaper at that stage. But again that's about cost effectiveness, when Goths win it's usually a snowball based on numbers rather than the opponent running out of res. I'll stop speculating though and wait to see how the meta evolves and if Supplies ever see competitive use.
@@MikeHesk742 that is what I am trying to say though. There are certain civs that go Infantry against goths (or infantry as a buffer with other units behind) and have a better eco than goths. Slavs have a better eco and better infantry late, and both go infantry vs each other. Before it was wayyy more cost effective for goths, now with faster slav farms and less food on champs, the goths will lose that matchup more often. Malay go THSw spam and either arbs or skirms behind, now they will have more floating food. Britons go champs, now they can create more champs. Its not that supplies will revolutionize the game, no one is arguing that. But by giving something to everyone but goths, and not compensating goths in some way, by definition that is a nerf to goths. I could see it if goths were a top tier civ, but they are in the middle of the pack at best, and only excel at countering a blind pick mayans, so nerfing them, even indirectly, makes no sense
At 18:45 you wanted to click in the middle of the TC. But the drop food icon almost made you lose that villager because he stopped as soon as he dropped the resource. I think they should look for that. Great video Snake!
Learning a lot from your hyper aggressive ultra micro gameplay! Just had my first match where I pushed the enemy for real and destroyed them! Now time to face hard AI again... *edit* lost to a rush double my size...
6:44 - Viper lock the FPS to 60 in RTSS to free up your CPU and supress the FPS loss to the stream
The new IA 2021, at the minute 17 has like 17 archers.
It want to see a self learning AI for AoE, like we have for chess and Dota 2! It would be interesting to see how it would play the game
AI is learning with theViper now.
like hoang but better
29:26 oh god the pathing
Cursed thumbnail
2 extreme AI? TheViper is the new Mr. Anderson. Will he be in Matrix 4?
DE is supported by W10 exclusive by the way. The customers will have to work on their own time to make it functional with any other OS.
Finally as promised, 14 Nov. It's time full version to be released, stand by!
*1 out of 2 AI* disliked this video
8:20 --Viper an ancient force user, confirmed he is.
I wish we would be able to see aoe2 world's champions games as popular as others
I love the fact that heimmediately switched to yellow. :)
Viper trash talking AI is the reason im subscribing
can u make a video about all civs changes?
Hey guys. What's he mean by he q-ed oder queued oder cued or cute the garrison round 5:30?
One graphics complaint is that the trees are rather static. A slight waving of the leaves in the wind would have been next level graphics.
As thats not a bad idea the issue with that is #1 graphically that would add a lot of strain for all these trees to now be animated and this game has always been a game that can be run on basically any computer and #2 it goes against the own games almost simplistic charm. But ig if they added a option to disable it that should fix that.
How is this even possible? I used to beat AI in extreme even 1vs2 in the conquerors edition, in DE extreme is impossible for me, I've seem them go to feudal in 5 minutes and attack me with a full army at 7 minutes
I think we all know that, if they wanted to, the devs could unleash some machine learning AI on us and create an "ultimate AI" that would be unbeatable
34:46 that smile though
I watched this video like 1 hundred times and still can't beat extreme AI
I'm terrible
@@gabrielmarcondes9814 extreme ai is much stronger now
@@gabrielmarcondes9814 Me too😂
And a noob like me struggles with moderate lol. I've been playing for 6 years XDD :(
Do you try to improve?
@@loafofbread9400 I feel attacked
So a question for viper in particular (or I guess any regular rated match player) do you think the heavily nerfed HP from towers will reduce how frequent or effective trushing is? Tower civs like Koreans and Incas might still be able to do something with it but otherwise I don't see trushing being near as frequent as it was in HD.
@Viper if you could create a civ composed of 4 traits picked from other civs, 2 unique technologies picked from other civs, and one each of unique unit and team bonus from other civs, along with a tech tree that is full except for 10 techs (you pick which ones it doesn't have), what would it look like?
1:35 it's ðisrespect, but I agree with you!
Eu lembro que poderia vencer todas as 7 Ai sozinho. Hoje não consigo vencer 2
So when the ostriches look good...are you picturing a burger?
Viper quick question - about your comment saying you like to control how your wood is used before you turn on autofarm - what if you need to save up wood so you dont make new farms, do you retask those villagers or leave them idle for later when you decide to reseed their farm?
It seems so easy when you do it!
And here I am, still struggling against Hard :)
Lmao I can't beat hard AI for shit. Play AoE for one week now. It scout rushes faster than me, counters my everything and has rams on my TC minute 20
Same here!
AOE2 DE against AI, is meant for finishing game by Feudal age-Castle Age, cuz AI micros better than you once they are beefed up on econ. sad that you cant really enjoy any race's best units.
Would not have minded some more music sound actually VIper. Ty for the great content :)
how do i do the "line" like finishing the sheep and then move automatically on shooting the boar. what do i have to click?
Yo biper, im not sure if this is possible but did you try to click at the current age icon on the top once you have the res to advance to the next age? Cuz i noticed it was glowing when you had res b4 click to castle age for example.
Viper loses 100 stone when he visits the market at 28:17. But I don't see him selling stone. Is this a bug?
Did they buff vietnamese?
1:22 the gold tiles look so epic in that cross
Reviews say the optimization is crap so fingers crossed it will run on my PC
They changed the Vietnamese architecture interesting...
@@luanminh7082 ohhh,....
The AI is much better now. It kept rushing me during feudal.
How does he drop the food into the TC?
Just played my first BF 4v4 on DE -- The AI rushed, then sat in their bases for the rest of the game not farming or attacking. I was looking forward to this so much,. Very disappointing,
Most of the time they mop the floor if you aren't some maverick like TheViper.
For the time being, I can only wall up and win in the long run.
@@cezarstefanseghjucan Are you talking about DM? That's what I've been playing, DM. They quickly run out of resource, then stand idle
(You can resign again.
)
How do you zoom out in-game? I think that would help my noob performance immensely
Use your mouse scroll
Joachim thanks!
There is no one like the one and only "The_Sheriff"
Do the ai still go insane amount of boats on water heavy levels?
Why the heck does everyone hate the music? It sounds amazing!
May have been louder to them but still pretty disrespectful to hate on the intro music of a Civ.
Vipey, do you miss the old sounds? I liked in the original you could hear clearly if a villager had been killed on or near your screen, or the sound of a treb firing.
If Viper wasn't doing tests of this game for a while, he is #clearly new to this game.
Noob question, how is this Extreme AI compared to classic Barbarian AI from classic AoE II: Forgotten Empires?
I havnt played against it but I think someone said the barbarian ai is harder
vipah, i loved this serie, you should update it, IA is quite better now, maybe it'd be more challenging for u
Will you upload the 1v4 mr viper?
whats wrong with the AI? did someone else notice that the AI is not advancing ages for a long long time? I see a hard AI advance to castle in something like 8mins but here its 11mins for feudal only in Extreme!
Thanks for posting 🥰
Cranked it up to 1 vs 7.
The extreme ia is not really IMPOSSIBLE if you rush it. But what about taking it to late game? G O D
loud sound? don't care
rainbow? don't care
love u man.
Im now 31y
still loves this masterpiza 🥰
The extreme AI attacks with the scout to make noobs nervous i guess so they dont get randomly steemrolled at some point
what is steemroll?
@@lucol0o run over
From new civs I think cumans are best having heavy cavalry like paladins plus kipchaks to them
Hello How did you zoom so close?
Hello Viper, do you know if there will be a Mac version ? thanks
The dude in the thumbnail looked like Brienne of fookin Tarth
Henry the Lion resigned without a gg salty AI oof
well i got de for both aoe 1 and 2 for 20 bucks it was an offer i can't refuse on summer celebration
It looks like the AI resigns when their score is 50% of yours
wouldn't having cheaper champions be helpful for opponents to kill huskarls? they are a bottom tier civ because they can't get to the strong spam but when they do it's now easier for opponents to make cheaper infantry to counter the huskarls.
But I'm an old man now. What harm could I possibly do?
I wanna see a 1 v 4 and 2 v 6!
did viper already mentioned in his stream how much he likes aoe 2 de ? and if the pro scene is going to switch to aoe 2 de?
I see a lot of big name pros on the leaderboards, if that means anything
The Forward Market. Donnie would be proud of you ^^
rip lion it was just his instincts he didnt know🙏
That forward market.
You dont stream on twitch anymore?
I haven't left my Twitch channel behind, but I primarily stream on Mixer for now: mixer.com/theviper
maybe try hardest HD version ? maybe DE AI needs a patch
Could u upload 1 & 3 Extreme AI videos?Thx. :)
What about Sir Samuray IA, you try some time?
haha good ol viper man even gaia teams up on you dawg. viper vs ai vs wolves happens too often
I have managed to beat the extreme AI using a rush technique but I’ve been searching for a video of how to beat them late game. If I don’t win early the Ai becomes relentless lol
No possible way u can defeat them if they go castle before you or imperial because they are going to produce everything there is in a millisecond and thats too fast even for viper
Hey guys, i heard this was windows 10 exclusive. I prepurchased the game on steam, and upgrading to windows 10 isn't an option for me. Should i just return the game? Thanks
I have windows 7 because i wanted to play aoe 2..
I love the thumbnail :)
Daut Trained you well :D
... No Learning AI? :( Dissapointed... xD
could be like alphastar
I'm still waiting for it too. Alphastar (AlphaAge :D) would be a real pleasure. Hope google will take a look into it. :D
One tricky part is to limit the AI so that it beats humans on the basis of superior strategy and tactics, not just superhuman reaction time. Wouldn't be much fun to play an AI that can dodge every arrow or perfectly exploit a +1 range advantage to have virtually unhittable armies.
I think the new Extreme AI is not so bad. But of course, VS the best human, they have no chance. I'm still playing Medium AI, so I'm okay lol
Vietnamese civ needs a real boost. Come on. 😭
Byzantines need free logistica for cataphracts
That video thumbnail is lit 😩🤯🙊
Forward castle at the enemies gold.
I'd love to see a game against a single Extreme AI, but with a treaty lenght of about 30 mins. Its obviout to me that the AI is kinda weak against rushed, but plays very well if it got a little time do develope.
Well, forget about it. I just realized you already beated 3 Extreme AI alone. hahaha
I consider myself to be an average AOE player, but I had no trouble in defeating Extreme AI.
I've been playing AoE2 for 20 years and never got past the quitter level, I think it's time to retire and accept that I am no good at this.
Say hello to Viper. From Viet Nam. Vietnammese has a great history.
so it's weaker compared to the barbarian?
By a large margin. Barbarian is still weak vs men at arms or tower rush, besides that it is really strong and smart (produce counter units, hit your back with a sneaky second army, analyze the map and the opponent to choose between early feudal rush, late feudal investment, fast castle and boom, etc.). Beating Barbarian without a men at arms or scout rush is very difficult as it can boom and mass units very effectively.
Viper should try another strategy, bots don't do well vs rush
Nobody:
Biper: Is it too loud guis?