As a note, when there is a speed limit sign with a red arrow pointing down it means that the next limit will be 20 less than the current limit and the opposite with a green arrow pointing up. Hope this helps. This can be found in a manual.
Some tips. I would keep your water level at 50% minimum at all times, preferably closer to 80%. Also don't put too much coal in the box. You want lots of coal when you are about to start a big climb, otherwise it is far more efficient to run at 1/2 to 1/4 full. Also sometimes it is a good idea to choke the fire and let it die back when you do not need it (Eg a long downhill section).
The biggest thing I've noticed in Derail valley is that you have to be thinking 3 steps ahead of what the train is doing. Everything takes time, and if you're just reacting to the here and now, you'll always be trying to catch up, overcompensating with the controls, missing speed signs and junctions and tempting fate every corner. The map in this game is very much designed to catch you off guard with frequent gradient and speed changes. For a lot of your adjustments, you were slamming it between 0% and 100% when you should be slowly increasing or decreasing in smaller increments, giving each change you make time to settle. Having 5-10 seconds between each notch of power or brake makes it WAY easier to see and feel what's going on as opposed to always being on the back foot. Once you get a feel for what each input does, you can be a bit more aggressive with the controls, and know what you need for whatever speed or gradient you're coming up to.
The speed changes are way too frequent in the game. I guess when learning a route I can figure out the safe speed and ignore the higher limits, but when going on a less used track, the speed limit changes are annoying. While the signs have up or down arrows to indicate that the next speed limit differs by 20km/h or more, there is no distance specified. So, one time it may be 80 and then a 60 after 1km and another time it can be 80 followed by a 60 in 200m. What's worse is that the arrows do not apply to switches. You can have 60 then a switch and 30 immediately past the switch. Yay. Apparently the speed limit signs are automatically generated and the devs are planning to improve them in the future.
@@GradySpencerFilms smoke sparks is actually not a bad thing. It just means you are using the steamer at 100% torque. The S282 is great at this cause it has tons of torque and a CHONKY firebox. Also @kANGaming please use Lean. Q and E. Makes the visibility so much better
@@kANGaming remember Kan in derail valley on the steam locomotives and dm3 locomotives They simulate what's called "non self lapping automatic brakes" this mean on the automatic brakes You have *4* positions for the automatic brake handle You have "release" lap" "service" and "emergency" remember this because the automatic brake is used to apply air brakes on the entire train. You "release" allows You to connect the main reservoir to the brake pipe to release the the air brakes on the entire train next You have "lap" this position holds whatever set You have on the brake pipe whenever You make a reduction on the automatic brake. next You have "service" and that decreases the pressure on the brake pipe and when You finish that reduction You can apply it to lap. next You have "emergency" and for some reason it's sprung so the automatic brake never locks into that position in realty it should stop Your train immediately when You apply the automatic brake into emergency
I suspect next time we see kAN running the steam engine he's either gonna be in a call with Hyce or the game is gonna have added coop and he'll be running the steam engine with Hyce.
too bad coop is not in the works, although i really wish it was as I cant drive a STeam engine, too much work for my brain, I can handle the main operations of the engine itself.... but as I don't know the routes by heart, I often end up missing my Switches. also the S282 is a pain with how dark it is in it considering the lamp can fall easily.
@@jaylafountain8164 Hyce has blown up too many steam engines in his playthrough as well tbf. though shame on him as he has so much more experience with the locomotive prior to his new playthrough
@@lanteanboy well, official coop/multiplayer is not planned, BUT there is a multiplayer mod by Insprill in the works at the moment, so give it some time and you will be able to play with your friends
If you derail and jostle the engine a lot, the boiler will explode because the water level goes a bit crazy. Pro tip: Press X to "sit". This brings you down about halfway between crouching and standing, putting you at the perfect level for most train operations. Steam engine tips: 1. If you see dark smoke, turn down the cutoff (reverser). You may need to go all the way down to one notch from neutral at high speeds. 2. Don't brake with reverse, all you get is wheelslip, turn the independent and train brakes on full and turn off the regulator and pray. 3. Higher cutoff means more torque and more chance to wheelslip, turn up the regulator and down the cutoff to reduce wheelslip. 4. Use to damper (stick to the right of the firebox) to reduce airflow to the fire and cool it off to save coal and water. Empty coal from the firebox with the stick on the left once you are finished using the train or if you have no water left. 5. The steam engine brakes have 3 positions. Restore pressure (brakes off), hold pressure (hold current brake level), and release brake pressure (brake harder). The extra play is release pressure even HARDER (AHH WE'RE GONNA DIE brakes) Edit: 5. Use the chuffing sound as a reference for the cutoff. Turn the cutoff down if the chuffs are loud. Once they are relatively quiet, you should see you are running fairly clear smoke.
At low speeds (or when starting) you want more cutoff and lower regulator. The idea is to push the piston with lower force over greater distance. Then, when going faster, you should open the regulator to full and control the speed with the cutoff. At least as I understand it, wheelslip at low speeds depends primarily on the steam chest pressure. That makes sense because higher pressure = higher torque = more likely to slip.
Bought the game 3 days ago after watching your video and since then I've racked up 30 hours in it. The smile on my face when driving the S282 for the first time was immeasurable. Looking forward to more Derail Valley videos!
You can get an intuition for what the (not reg) cutoff does by changing its value at low speeds with open cocks - you'll notice that the chuffing gets shorter, that's because steam is admitted only for a small part of the cycle, with the rest of pushing done by the expansion of just the steam already input into the cyllinder, rather than the active flow of steam straight from the boiler. With 100% cutoff straight boiler steam gets sent to the cyllinder throughout the whole pushing stroke, meaning full pressure gets put on all throughout it, but it removes a volume of steam equal to the entire cyllinder from the boiler, and the full pressure steam gets sent out of the piston still more or less at boiler pressure, basically dumping away energy. With lower cutoffs you are admitting the steam only for some time, so the push part of the cycle only gets a bit of the steam, but that steam can continue working after the valve is closed, which means that while the cycle does less work, the work/(volume spent) rises since the steam keeps expanding.
I think Derail Valley needs a feature that Microsoft Train Simulator had over 20 years ago, and thats an automated fireman. So basically younger to run the engine and your invisible fireman will stoke the boiler for you. Some people might think that's cheating but can make it so much easier and enjoyable to run the steam engine. After all you need two people to run a steam engine not one.
But that's the whole challenge of running steam in this game. Having to manage all the things at once. Otherwise it's just running a diesel but that uses coal and water instead of diesel fuel
@@ram89572 Right but remember not every player wants to deal with that or at least all the time. It should be an option to the player much like difficulty is. It's also could allow someone to ease into the steam engine more easily. A game should be as easy or as hard as they like it ideally and having something that automatically stoles the boiler would be ideal for some players. I already know there's a Nexus mod for keeping water level consistent or something f that nature so somebody already thought as I did ahead of time
@@PennsyPappas For this particular game I don't have a problem with them adding an option like that. But I disagree with the general statement that games should be as easy or as hard as someone wants. Games without difficulty adjustments (souls/borne/ring) do very well specifically because they are designed to a specification and challenge the player to either step up or admit defeat and walk away. In the case of having something like that in this game I suppose it depends on what the devs see as the vision for the game. I do stand by my previous statement though.
@@ram89572 But then it limits your audience for those that may want to play it but don't want to deal with the stress of a hard game. And then people just rip on it for being a hard game and that's it's reputation forever. Games are meant to be fun not feel like work for people lying to unwind from a hard day at work or school. That's my opinion on it.
Well, official coop/multiplayer is not planned, BUT there is a multiplayer mod by Insprill in the works at the moment, so give it some time and this might happen
Historical steam train operator here. Actually you did pretty well. :D About the smoke color - it is absolutelly not bad if the smoke is dark black, it is just an indikator that your cole is in its first state of burining, when the coal is basically "using the generated heat" to ignite itself, so the steam production is not as fast as in later phases. But...when the smoke is light brownish to clear, that means that your coal is "burned" - it is producing a lot of heat that can be used for steam production. And when there is absolutelly no smoke comming out of chimney even during the oppened regulator, it is time to add some coal, as soon your cole will be turned into ash-like hot mass with very little heat production. I really liked your video, keep on! :)
I actually spotted the boiler problem before it happened, but then again, I’m training to operate real steam locomotives. 24:27 derailed… 24:31 boiler rupture. Once you have no visible water in the sight glass, you have less than one inch of water on top of the crown sheet. That water is what is keeping the crown sheet cool. Once it is uncovered, even partially, it will overheat and fail, leading to an explosion.
Any steam not being used for motion is less water in the tanks. On a tank engine you've got limited water compared to a tender engine. As far as the throttle and reverser - if youre near center, the steam is going to expand more, so you use less from the boiler. Conversely using steam with full reverser gives full boiler pressure for the entire piston stroke with minimal expansion, using more steam (and water). So, full reverser is good for getting max starting effort and other high power moments, and near center is going to conserve steam. Finding that sweet spot of reverser and throttle for any given load, grade, and speed on different locomotives is an art and science.
Least you actually had an "accident", and Hyce just creates chaos on purpose lol. Practice makes perfect buddy, and before you know it, you'll be conquering the whole map with the S282!
For the efficiency if you stop supplying steam half way through the stroke, the PSI in the piston will still be about half of what you supplied it with when it reaches the end. So for half the stroke you have the same amount of work done, and for the other half you have ~75% of the work done when compared to steaming the whole time. Thus you get about ~87% of the total work done for half the steam.
The main problem I have with this game, is that the sizes are not reflective of the real world. Unless these trains are absolutely tiny. I have only used the DE2, so I can't speak for any other train, but when I set the height in the settings to 6'1 like I am in real life (Because the game defaulted to like 5'6 or something short) and my head was damn near touching the ceiling of the DE2. I had to lean way down to get through the door, and lean down a little to use the controls, tilt my head to properly see through the windshield. But I look forward to buying the game eventually in the future and trying this steam engine in VR, 'cause I'd imagine it's much easier to manage when you have two independent hands and head. Rather than having a single hand that's strapped to your face. And that to me is the funniest part about this train and your interactions with it. You wish for more than one person, to be able to operate the train better, but you have to remember that you're not even a full person. (Though, unsurprisingly Hyce does it just fine. But I assume that comes with experience in managing all of that) You're a single hand strapped to a camera that forces you to only be able to interact with a single thing you're looking at. Had you those two independent hands and head of a full person, I'd imagine things get a lot more manageable when you're a full person
From what I saw, you derailed, and as you were derailing, the boiler clipped the side of the cut, then exploded. Possibly it was right on the edge of blowing up before the derail, but it certainly hit something then exploded.
This is true, but I went back and paused when the sight glass was in view right before the derail: it was BONE DRY. Me thinks he blew up because he derailed with an empty boiler.
Johnson bar: further forward (or rearward) is more power, closer to center is more efficiency in steam usage (and water usage). Remember as Hyce said: adding water to boiler will lower *boiler* temp, therefore pressure. *Fire* temp is strictly how well it's drafting, i.e. blower or engine chuffs. As you reduce throttle (regulator) or Johnson bar position, less air is moving through fire. If you keep air moving through when you don't need to, you use more coal.
13:15 As you know the johnson bar controls how much of the stroke the valve is open. So for example when you have 10 bar boiler and chest pressure (let's say full reg), and the imaginary cylinder has 10 liter volume, then at full forward johnson bar, you would use 10 liters of 10 bar steam per stroke, as the valve is open right until the end of the stroke. If you only put the johnson bar slightly forward it will use, let's say 2 liters of 10 bar steam, as the valve closes at 20% of the stroke. In that case, the piston will get less and less pressure during the stroke, but still between 10 bar and 2 bar right at the end, so it's still always pushing against the atmosphere. At higher speed when not accelerating anymore, you don't need the full force of having the full 10 bar at the piston the whole stroke, but because of the speed you have more strokes per second, so you still get a pretty high total power, enough to keep the train moving at higher speed, but only using ~20% of the actual steam (in this example). (All of the remaining steam in the cylinder is wasted when the exit valve opens, so the lower the pressure get's at the end of the stroke, the more efficient it is). Hope it clarifies a bit :D
You see what happened is, when you derailed the water sloshed to the front of the boiler exposing the crown sheet, then it sloshed back and the engine then exploded.
Yeah I kind of figured that was probably what happened to him I just checked the comment section to see if anyone said that before I posted the comment and ended up looking like an idiot
Loved it! Thanks for talking through your thoughts while you ran the locomotive. Also, your boiler did explode from running out of water. I was watching.
Now I want Hyce reaction on this video :) The steam engines in the game are fun to drive. As long as you do not go too fast and do not run out of water. Oh, and you have to look where you are going. Yes, in real life two people operate a steam engine. Also, in real life, shoveling coal is more difficult and starting the injector is a bit tricky as well, Train brake on the steam locomotives in the game is different from the brake in the DE2. It is called a non self-lapping brake valve. The difference is this: On the DE2, you set the handle, say, two notches, the valve reduces the brake pipe pressure by a certain amount and keeps it there. Here, the valve has these positions: release (fill the brake pipe with air) lap (close the brake pipe keeping whatever pressure is there) apply (let out air from the brake pipe) emergency (let out from the brake pipe faster) The brake valve stays in whatever position you put it in, except "emergency," which springs back to "apply". The proper way to operate is to set the valve to "apply" until you reduce the brake pipe pressure to what you want, then put it in "lap" to keep the brakes at that level. When you no longer need brakes, set the valve to "release".
"Did I not have water?" Oh kAN, I was screaming at the computer screen when you started saying "Why can't I get my steam chest pressure up?" You can't have steam pressure if you have no water, and your sight gauge was spending more time below the gauge than above it at that point. Well... at least I know I was invested enough watching to actually start yelling "water!" "You need water!" at the screen!
Those poor cows & chickens. They thought it was a leisurely train ride to the slaughterhouse, but instead their last trip was nightmare rollercoaster where they died two separate times in alternate universes.
Its based on the USATC S100 060T, so youre dead on. They were sold postwar to several different countries, as well as companies in the states of Georgia and Oklahoma. This one specifically is matching the game's eastern euro/yugo theme and is modeled as a JŽ 62.
Explosions. Yes, good. The only thing left for your full qualification is to drop some hazmat into the sea at the harbour. I'm confident you can pass this final test.
I'm not 100% sure but I think it also simulates water sloshing about because of acceleration/braking. Going downhill on an empty boiler is already spicy but then the train derailed on the corner and as a result decelerated hard so what little water there was went into the forward half of the boiler, exposed the firebox and caused the explosion. Either that or the game is just wired to explode the engine on hard crashes. Though it didn't blow when it ran into the oil train, which then also exploded right next to it...
Note the train's health in the oil well wasn't actually at 0%, it looked to be around 80-ish. When kan derailed and slammed into the cliff side, I think it was a speed to where if you collide with something, the game just kills the entity that is the locomotive regardless of it's type. The steam train is likely programmed to do a boiler explosion when it's killed because a boiler explosion would be an event that kills it anyway, and this is just a side effect of whenever it's health is at 0.
Yup, the sight glass clearly shows that the water sloshing is a thing, at least visually. At 24:26 kAN has been running without water in the sight glass for _a while._ The water must have been down to a real thin layer over the top of the firebox. I think the train derailed first, and the motion of the front of the locomotive dipping down off the rails and the deceleration exposed the top sheet - crown sheet? - whatever the top of the firebox is called. @@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559 's hypothesis might be true in general, but I think it couldn't apply here: The train was sliding around on the dirt for 3 seconds or so before it exploded. That would have shed some of its speed.
After reloading, always check the lubricator, it kinda has a habit of turning off, and you don't notice until you see the fees. The train brake is a non-automatic type, it has 4 positions, release, hold, apply, and emergency-apply. The emergency-apply is spring-loaded and jumps back to regular apply, you have to look at the red needle on the brake gauge to judge how much brake you're applying, and then put it in hold. The way you were using it was basically full on/full off, and that was kinda turning your locomotive wheels into squares. :D
The red needle is the brake cylinder pressure, it is affected by the independent brake as well. Instead, watch the black needle in the same gauge (brake pipe). 5 bar is full, the brakes are released. When I am going downhill I set it to 4.5 or 4 bar depending on how steep it is.
Derail valley put a lot more effort into the "after the derail happens" effects than most of the earlier train sims. It's a nice design choice, I think. Much like "Trans-siberian railway simulator", they're going further than "take stuff from here to there".
24:50 the reason why it might exploded was probably due to the low water. I mean the thing that showed the Water was empty right before your Locomotive derailed/exploded. The cause of the explosion might be because the Locomotive hit something (derail) and this caused the Boiler to blow up, what reminds me of a accident many years ago where in a Train station in Germany a Locomotive had too few water in its boiler, the hard Brake while the Train drove into the station Bitterfeld moved the Rest water in the boiler to rapidly which caused the entire Locomotive to Explode, sending of the boiler from the Locomotive chassis, getting Many People killed on the Platform by the imminent explosion, being crushed by the blown off boiler and being boiled to death by its steam.
Ah, you threw debris up, as well as you run out of water and the pressure from a boil dry method as well as a bit of debris hitting the pressured boiler caused it to go boom. Also, a thing to do is keep the firebox door open and that way you can check the fire, plus, use the cablight, but crouch to check the water when working at night or coasting through a tunnel. Plus, if you hear a dry hissing noise, it means the injector has no water to draw into the boiler, so shut the regulator and use gravity to coast. That and keep an eye on your train's weight. Anything over about 200 tons will kill your momentum going up hill or cause you to run away. Watch everything. Tank Engines aren't the best for long or heavy freight trains. They're more for branch runs.
You can put a lantern on the shelf of the bunker, it will make the water glass more visible. Also, as far as I have noticed, when there is no water in the tank, the injector makes no noise at all. Open it all the way and it's silent - problem. It is possible to go from the Sawmill to the Goods factory with the 060 pulling a 300t or so train (I forgot, it was a while ago, maybe it was 400t) and not use all the water. However, you need to drive efficiently - accelerating uses energy and braking wastes it. Instead of accelerating when you see a 60 sign and braking 300m later seeing a 50 sign, just go at 50. Most of the time I can just coast because the train is going downhill or just after going downhill. I mostly have the regulator open going uphill.
You should get the shunting license, you can make pretty good money on some of those jobs, and if it's one to set up a train you can immediately take the freight haul of the consist you just assembled.
23:16 Water. 23:18 Water. 23:29 WATER. 23:34 W A T E R. 23:40 DAMN IT KAN WATER 24:10 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY ADD WATER TO YOUR BOILER! 24:20 in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti 24:40 Water.
So, the very simple way to understand the reverser and why you draw it back for high-speed operation. When the reverser is all the way in the corner as Hyce puts it, you are dumping steam at boiler pressure into the piston. This gives you a ton of power but doesn't let you conserve steam pressure in the boiler and steam chest, as the steam isn't allowed to expand once it's admitted into the piston. When the reverser is at, say, half instead of in the corner, then for half the piston cycle you admit steam, and the other half the steam is expanding. You've simultaneously reduced steam use by volume per piston stroke, and are extracting more energy out of it because it's still working while expanding, just not as well as much as when you just dump straight boiler pressure into it without real limit. Drawing the reverser back actively robs your pistons of power, but it allows you to more efficiently use the heat the boiler puts into the water, letting you activate the pistons more often, allowing you to maintain a higher speed without running out of steam pressure.
When leaving a steam loco, you can't just "push the off button". If you open the reg and drain the steam (thereby the water), you pretty much guarantee a boiler explosion. So, first shake the grates, dumping the fire. Then you can close off the rest. No reason to waste the water that is still in the boiler.
You need a full tender of coal and the side tanks full of water. The sound is the wipers on the windows need water to wipe and no water makes a squeaky noise
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Driving a steam locomotive is hard.
Especially on your own, and it's even worse in VR
And not blowing it up, not even to mention just yeeting it off the rails
yes
Yes
kan try driving miniature there even harder.
New video kan driving a real locomotive ???
kAN: *bleeding out steam through 100% reverser at speed*
Also kAN: Oh, the smoke is clear! So efficient!
Yeah😂
Also kAN: Where did all the water go?
Most efficient way to waste steam!
I guess he is used to ICE train.....on ICE trains clear smoke does indicate it operating at high efficiency
As a note, when there is a speed limit sign with a red arrow pointing down it means that the next limit will be 20 less than the current limit and the opposite with a green arrow pointing up. Hope this helps. This can be found in a manual.
Manual? Do people read these anymore? And is there anything in them except 40 pages worth of end use license?
@@57thorns A train operator's manual in the game, not an IRL manual (unless you print it, I guess)
Some tips. I would keep your water level at 50% minimum at all times, preferably closer to 80%. Also don't put too much coal in the box. You want lots of coal when you are about to start a big climb, otherwise it is far more efficient to run at 1/2 to 1/4 full. Also sometimes it is a good idea to choke the fire and let it die back when you do not need it (Eg a long downhill section).
17:55 have not laughed so hard at silence before. Just the pain hanging in the air
Kan pulled a Hyce, twice 😂
Great video I couldn't contain the laughter when you went into the oil field.
Just the resignation of looking out of the window at the oncoming explodey bois. Definitely a moment befitting Kenosha playing in the background.
@@mrchom Yeah, though a big part of the video should have had Kenosha playing :).
The biggest thing I've noticed in Derail valley is that you have to be thinking 3 steps ahead of what the train is doing. Everything takes time, and if you're just reacting to the here and now, you'll always be trying to catch up, overcompensating with the controls, missing speed signs and junctions and tempting fate every corner. The map in this game is very much designed to catch you off guard with frequent gradient and speed changes.
For a lot of your adjustments, you were slamming it between 0% and 100% when you should be slowly increasing or decreasing in smaller increments, giving each change you make time to settle. Having 5-10 seconds between each notch of power or brake makes it WAY easier to see and feel what's going on as opposed to always being on the back foot. Once you get a feel for what each input does, you can be a bit more aggressive with the controls, and know what you need for whatever speed or gradient you're coming up to.
The speed changes are way too frequent in the game. I guess when learning a route I can figure out the safe speed and ignore the higher limits, but when going on a less used track, the speed limit changes are annoying.
While the signs have up or down arrows to indicate that the next speed limit differs by 20km/h or more, there is no distance specified. So, one time it may be 80 and then a 60 after 1km and another time it can be 80 followed by a 60 in 200m.
What's worse is that the arrows do not apply to switches. You can have 60 then a switch and 30 immediately past the switch. Yay.
Apparently the speed limit signs are automatically generated and the devs are planning to improve them in the future.
Seeing kAN struggle with the non self lapping brake is quite amusing
OMG I looked up what this is and now it all makes sense.
@@kANGaming The two steam and the DM3 have this type of brake.
@@kANGamingKan: oh man why is the smoke making sparks ⚡️ 😂 Famous last words
@@GradySpencerFilms smoke sparks is actually not a bad thing. It just means you are using the steamer at 100% torque. The S282 is great at this cause it has tons of torque and a CHONKY firebox.
Also @kANGaming please use Lean. Q and E. Makes the visibility so much better
@@kANGaming remember Kan in derail valley on the steam locomotives and dm3 locomotives They simulate what's called "non self lapping automatic brakes" this mean on the automatic brakes You have *4* positions for the automatic brake handle You have "release" lap" "service" and "emergency" remember this because the automatic brake is used to apply air brakes on the entire train. You "release" allows You to connect the main reservoir to the brake pipe to release the the air brakes on the entire train next You have "lap" this position holds whatever set You have on the brake pipe whenever You make a reduction on the automatic brake. next You have "service" and that decreases the pressure on the brake pipe and when You finish that reduction You can apply it to lap. next You have "emergency" and for some reason it's sprung so the automatic brake never locks into that position in realty it should stop Your train immediately when You apply the automatic brake into emergency
I suspect next time we see kAN running the steam engine he's either gonna be in a call with Hyce or the game is gonna have added coop and he'll be running the steam engine with Hyce.
kAN + Hyce call as he screen shares w/ hyce to see. would be fun
Hyce blew up his train too...
too bad coop is not in the works, although i really wish it was as I cant drive a STeam engine, too much work for my brain, I can handle the main operations of the engine itself.... but as I don't know the routes by heart, I often end up missing my Switches.
also the S282 is a pain with how dark it is in it considering the lamp can fall easily.
@@jaylafountain8164 Hyce has blown up too many steam engines in his playthrough as well tbf. though shame on him as he has so much more experience with the locomotive prior to his new playthrough
@@lanteanboy well, official coop/multiplayer is not planned, BUT there is a multiplayer mod by Insprill in the works at the moment, so give it some time and you will be able to play with your friends
If you derail and jostle the engine a lot, the boiler will explode because the water level goes a bit crazy.
Pro tip: Press X to "sit". This brings you down about halfway between crouching and standing, putting you at the perfect level for most train operations.
Steam engine tips:
1. If you see dark smoke, turn down the cutoff (reverser). You may need to go all the way down to one notch from neutral at high speeds.
2. Don't brake with reverse, all you get is wheelslip, turn the independent and train brakes on full and turn off the regulator and pray.
3. Higher cutoff means more torque and more chance to wheelslip, turn up the regulator and down the cutoff to reduce wheelslip.
4. Use to damper (stick to the right of the firebox) to reduce airflow to the fire and cool it off to save coal and water. Empty coal from the firebox with the stick on the left once you are finished using the train or if you have no water left.
5. The steam engine brakes have 3 positions. Restore pressure (brakes off), hold pressure (hold current brake level), and release brake pressure (brake harder). The extra play is release pressure even HARDER (AHH WE'RE GONNA DIE brakes)
Edit: 5. Use the chuffing sound as a reference for the cutoff. Turn the cutoff down if the chuffs are loud. Once they are relatively quiet, you should see you are running fairly clear smoke.
At low speeds (or when starting) you want more cutoff and lower regulator. The idea is to push the piston with lower force over greater distance. Then, when going faster, you should open the regulator to full and control the speed with the cutoff.
At least as I understand it, wheelslip at low speeds depends primarily on the steam chest pressure. That makes sense because higher pressure = higher torque = more likely to slip.
Came here to see Hyce's comment giving KAN a list of what he did wrong I will continue to wait
Bro now that you said something I want to wait as well
He highballed through the yard, I see nothing wrong
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Bought the game 3 days ago after watching your video and since then I've racked up 30 hours in it. The smile on my face when driving the S282 for the first time was immeasurable. Looking forward to more Derail Valley videos!
"I don't think you can operate 2 steam engines at the same time." Not with that attitude, you can't.
I need a Hyce Reacts to this.....or Hyce on voice giving kAN driving lessons.....
How can I give this more likes? I would love to see this.
This lol
You can get an intuition for what the (not reg) cutoff does by changing its value at low speeds with open cocks - you'll notice that the chuffing gets shorter, that's because steam is admitted only for a small part of the cycle, with the rest of pushing done by the expansion of just the steam already input into the cyllinder, rather than the active flow of steam straight from the boiler.
With 100% cutoff straight boiler steam gets sent to the cyllinder throughout the whole pushing stroke, meaning full pressure gets put on all throughout it, but it removes a volume of steam equal to the entire cyllinder from the boiler, and the full pressure steam gets sent out of the piston still more or less at boiler pressure, basically dumping away energy. With lower cutoffs you are admitting the steam only for some time, so the push part of the cycle only gets a bit of the steam, but that steam can continue working after the valve is closed, which means that while the cycle does less work, the work/(volume spent) rises since the steam keeps expanding.
kan you only blow out the cylinders if theres water in them, which typically builds up when stopped
In the game it can happen when running, as if down a long hill.
I think Derail Valley needs a feature that Microsoft Train Simulator had over 20 years ago, and thats an automated fireman. So basically younger to run the engine and your invisible fireman will stoke the boiler for you. Some people might think that's cheating but can make it so much easier and enjoyable to run the steam engine. After all you need two people to run a steam engine not one.
But that's the whole challenge of running steam in this game. Having to manage all the things at once. Otherwise it's just running a diesel but that uses coal and water instead of diesel fuel
@@ram89572 Right but remember not every player wants to deal with that or at least all the time. It should be an option to the player much like difficulty is. It's also could allow someone to ease into the steam engine more easily. A game should be as easy or as hard as they like it ideally and having something that automatically stoles the boiler would be ideal for some players. I already know there's a Nexus mod for keeping water level consistent or something f that nature so somebody already thought as I did ahead of time
@@PennsyPappas For this particular game I don't have a problem with them adding an option like that. But I disagree with the general statement that games should be as easy or as hard as someone wants. Games without difficulty adjustments (souls/borne/ring) do very well specifically because they are designed to a specification and challenge the player to either step up or admit defeat and walk away. In the case of having something like that in this game I suppose it depends on what the devs see as the vision for the game. I do stand by my previous statement though.
@@ram89572 But then it limits your audience for those that may want to play it but don't want to deal with the stress of a hard game. And then people just rip on it for being a hard game and that's it's reputation forever. Games are meant to be fun not feel like work for people lying to unwind from a hard day at work or school. That's my opinion on it.
Would love a co-op mode on DRV, watching Hyce & kAN try to drive a steam lcoo together would be a dream come true
And I mean it is clear from this why IRL, there are multiple people running these things, so would help a LOT with come coop here
Well, official coop/multiplayer is not planned, BUT there is a multiplayer mod by Insprill in the works at the moment, so give it some time and this might happen
Historical steam train operator here.
Actually you did pretty well. :D About the smoke color - it is absolutelly not bad if the smoke is dark black, it is just an indikator that your cole is in its first state of burining, when the coal is basically "using the generated heat" to ignite itself, so the steam production is not as fast as in later phases. But...when the smoke is light brownish to clear, that means that your coal is "burned" - it is producing a lot of heat that can be used for steam production. And when there is absolutelly no smoke comming out of chimney even during the oppened regulator, it is time to add some coal, as soon your cole will be turned into ash-like hot mass with very little heat production. I really liked your video, keep on! :)
I actually spotted the boiler problem before it happened, but then again, I’m training to operate real steam locomotives. 24:27 derailed… 24:31 boiler rupture.
Once you have no visible water in the sight glass, you have less than one inch of water on top of the crown sheet. That water is what is keeping the crown sheet cool. Once it is uncovered, even partially, it will overheat and fail, leading to an explosion.
Any steam not being used for motion is less water in the tanks. On a tank engine you've got limited water compared to a tender engine. As far as the throttle and reverser - if youre near center, the steam is going to expand more, so you use less from the boiler. Conversely using steam with full reverser gives full boiler pressure for the entire piston stroke with minimal expansion, using more steam (and water). So, full reverser is good for getting max starting effort and other high power moments, and near center is going to conserve steam. Finding that sweet spot of reverser and throttle for any given load, grade, and speed on different locomotives is an art and science.
Least you actually had an "accident", and Hyce just creates chaos on purpose lol. Practice makes perfect buddy, and before you know it, you'll be conquering the whole map with the S282!
we had noob vs pro and now we finally have noob vs game.
For the efficiency if you stop supplying steam half way through the stroke, the PSI in the piston will still be about half of what you supplied it with when it reaches the end.
So for half the stroke you have the same amount of work done, and for the other half you have ~75% of the work done when compared to steaming the whole time. Thus you get about ~87% of the total work done for half the steam.
The main problem I have with this game, is that the sizes are not reflective of the real world. Unless these trains are absolutely tiny. I have only used the DE2, so I can't speak for any other train, but when I set the height in the settings to 6'1 like I am in real life (Because the game defaulted to like 5'6 or something short) and my head was damn near touching the ceiling of the DE2. I had to lean way down to get through the door, and lean down a little to use the controls, tilt my head to properly see through the windshield.
But I look forward to buying the game eventually in the future and trying this steam engine in VR, 'cause I'd imagine it's much easier to manage when you have two independent hands and head. Rather than having a single hand that's strapped to your face.
And that to me is the funniest part about this train and your interactions with it.
You wish for more than one person, to be able to operate the train better, but you have to remember that you're not even a full person. (Though, unsurprisingly Hyce does it just fine. But I assume that comes with experience in managing all of that)
You're a single hand strapped to a camera that forces you to only be able to interact with a single thing you're looking at.
Had you those two independent hands and head of a full person, I'd imagine things get a lot more manageable when you're a full person
Kan….. it smells like something….. it smells like Kenosha….
KKKKKAAAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!🎉
From what I saw, you derailed, and as you were derailing, the boiler clipped the side of the cut, then exploded. Possibly it was right on the edge of blowing up before the derail, but it certainly hit something then exploded.
"We're going a little quick, but that's fine"
*immediately flies off the rails*
I've blown up many engines since the update, it's part of the learning curve
BTW the engine can explode if you derail hard enough
This is true, but I went back and paused when the sight glass was in view right before the derail: it was BONE DRY. Me thinks he blew up because he derailed with an empty boiler.
I came close to blowing up the 282, but didn't. Maybe I noticed the empty water glass in time or maybe the fire was not hot enough.
Johnson bar: further forward (or rearward) is more power, closer to center is more efficiency in steam usage (and water usage).
Remember as Hyce said: adding water to boiler will lower *boiler* temp, therefore pressure. *Fire* temp is strictly how well it's drafting, i.e. blower or engine chuffs. As you reduce throttle (regulator) or Johnson bar position, less air is moving through fire. If you keep air moving through when you don't need to, you use more coal.
13:15 As you know the johnson bar controls how much of the stroke the valve is open. So for example when you have 10 bar boiler and chest pressure (let's say full reg), and the imaginary cylinder has 10 liter volume, then at full forward johnson bar, you would use 10 liters of 10 bar steam per stroke, as the valve is open right until the end of the stroke. If you only put the johnson bar slightly forward it will use, let's say 2 liters of 10 bar steam, as the valve closes at 20% of the stroke. In that case, the piston will get less and less pressure during the stroke, but still between 10 bar and 2 bar right at the end, so it's still always pushing against the atmosphere. At higher speed when not accelerating anymore, you don't need the full force of having the full 10 bar at the piston the whole stroke, but because of the speed you have more strokes per second, so you still get a pretty high total power, enough to keep the train moving at higher speed, but only using ~20% of the actual steam (in this example). (All of the remaining steam in the cylinder is wasted when the exit valve opens, so the lower the pressure get's at the end of the stroke, the more efficient it is). Hope it clarifies a bit :D
The remaining steam is not completely wasted. It drafts the boiler.
Yeah of course, but wasted in the sense of raw movement power still (although the draft is also needed)...
You see what happened is, when you derailed the water sloshed to the front of the boiler exposing the crown sheet, then it sloshed back and the engine then exploded.
Yeah I kind of figured that was probably what happened to him I just checked the comment section to see if anyone said that before I posted the comment and ended up looking like an idiot
Now you will go for an new diesel license. I recommend DH4. Also Hyce will be very disappointed.
Dude, Kan blew up oil well northern. That is something that hyce would approve of.
@@enejvizintin4746 true and hyce has blown up more than one steam train in this game
17:10 @Hyce777 would be si proud 🥺
Loved it! Thanks for talking through your thoughts while you ran the locomotive. Also, your boiler did explode from running out of water. I was watching.
Blew up the oil well and exploded the locomotive. Hyce would be so proud!!
I find it hilarious everytime Kan is operating a train He always uses the independent brake rather then only relying on the automatic brake
Yeah at 23:40 the water gauge is empty and the injector crank was off
Now I want Hyce reaction on this video :)
The steam engines in the game are fun to drive. As long as you do not go too fast and do not run out of water. Oh, and you have to look where you are going.
Yes, in real life two people operate a steam engine. Also, in real life, shoveling coal is more difficult and starting the injector is a bit tricky as well,
Train brake on the steam locomotives in the game is different from the brake in the DE2. It is called a non self-lapping brake valve. The difference is this:
On the DE2, you set the handle, say, two notches, the valve reduces the brake pipe pressure by a certain amount and keeps it there.
Here, the valve has these positions:
release (fill the brake pipe with air)
lap (close the brake pipe keeping whatever pressure is there)
apply (let out air from the brake pipe)
emergency (let out from the brake pipe faster)
The brake valve stays in whatever position you put it in, except "emergency," which springs back to "apply". The proper way to operate is to set the valve to "apply" until you reduce the brake pipe pressure to what you want, then put it in "lap" to keep the brakes at that level. When you no longer need brakes, set the valve to "release".
"Did I not have water?"
Oh kAN, I was screaming at the computer screen when you started saying "Why can't I get my steam chest pressure up?"
You can't have steam pressure if you have no water, and your sight gauge was spending more time below the gauge than above it at that point.
Well... at least I know I was invested enough watching to actually start yelling "water!" "You need water!" at the screen!
Kenosha should have been playing in this video...
@@Pentium100MHz Absolutely! I think we would have had a double Kenosha with this one? One for the tankers, one for the derail/boiler explosion?
I like how the train screamed right before it exploded.
Those poor cows & chickens. They thought it was a leisurely train ride to the slaughterhouse, but instead their last trip was nightmare rollercoaster where they died two separate times in alternate universes.
The S0-6-0 design wise makes me think of the southern region USA shunters and some italian mini tankengine
Its based on the USATC S100 060T, so youre dead on. They were sold postwar to several different countries, as well as companies in the states of Georgia and Oklahoma. This one specifically is matching the game's eastern euro/yugo theme and is modeled as a JŽ 62.
kAN.... kAN.... *bro*.
Don't take this the wrong way, but both of your deaths were absolutely hilarious.
17:29
😂 Hyce would be so proud.
13:40 kAN realizes why fireman and engineer are two separate jobs on a real locomotive
0:35
Kan: *spends at least $20,000 on license*
also Kan: ... welp into the trash
Should do a follow up with Hyce pointing out the finer details.
17:20 Bro thaught he was Casey Jones 💀
Explosions. Yes, good. The only thing left for your full qualification is to drop some hazmat into the sea at the harbour. I'm confident you can pass this final test.
I'm not 100% sure but I think it also simulates water sloshing about because of acceleration/braking. Going downhill on an empty boiler is already spicy but then the train derailed on the corner and as a result decelerated hard so what little water there was went into the forward half of the boiler, exposed the firebox and caused the explosion. Either that or the game is just wired to explode the engine on hard crashes. Though it didn't blow when it ran into the oil train, which then also exploded right next to it...
Note the train's health in the oil well wasn't actually at 0%, it looked to be around 80-ish. When kan derailed and slammed into the cliff side, I think it was a speed to where if you collide with something, the game just kills the entity that is the locomotive regardless of it's type. The steam train is likely programmed to do a boiler explosion when it's killed because a boiler explosion would be an event that kills it anyway, and this is just a side effect of whenever it's health is at 0.
Yup, the sight glass clearly shows that the water sloshing is a thing, at least visually.
At 24:26 kAN has been running without water in the sight glass for _a while._ The water must have been down to a real thin layer over the top of the firebox. I think the train derailed first, and the motion of the front of the locomotive dipping down off the rails and the deceleration exposed the top sheet - crown sheet? - whatever the top of the firebox is called.
@@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559 's hypothesis might be true in general, but I think it couldn't apply here: The train was sliding around on the dirt for 3 seconds or so before it exploded. That would have shed some of its speed.
I smelled kenosha for 33 minutes straight while watching this video.
17:20 I'm suprised the boiler held up
After reloading, always check the lubricator, it kinda has a habit of turning off, and you don't notice until you see the fees.
The train brake is a non-automatic type, it has 4 positions, release, hold, apply, and emergency-apply. The emergency-apply is spring-loaded and jumps back to regular apply, you have to look at the red needle on the brake gauge to judge how much brake you're applying, and then put it in hold. The way you were using it was basically full on/full off, and that was kinda turning your locomotive wheels into squares. :D
The red needle is the brake cylinder pressure, it is affected by the independent brake as well. Instead, watch the black needle in the same gauge (brake pipe). 5 bar is full, the brakes are released. When I am going downhill I set it to 4.5 or 4 bar depending on how steep it is.
19:45 that is actully correct because on historical train rides steam locomotives are operated by more peopole.
The things you hit, exploding, was a nice touch.
Derail valley put a lot more effort into the "after the derail happens" effects than most of the earlier train sims. It's a nice design choice, I think. Much like "Trans-siberian railway simulator", they're going further than "take stuff from here to there".
kAN: Looks at blowdown valve
“…I wonder if there’s a way to drain the boiler.”
24:50 the reason why it might exploded was probably due to the low water. I mean the thing that showed the Water was empty right before your Locomotive derailed/exploded. The cause of the explosion might be because the Locomotive hit something (derail) and this caused the Boiler to blow up, what reminds me of a accident many years ago where in a Train station in Germany a Locomotive had too few water in its boiler, the hard Brake while the Train drove into the station Bitterfeld moved the Rest water in the boiler to rapidly which caused the entire Locomotive to Explode, sending of the boiler from the Locomotive chassis, getting Many People killed on the Platform by the imminent explosion, being crushed by the blown off boiler and being boiled to death by its steam.
Ok..... SOMEONE's gonna be peeing in a cup.....
I think you need to multi-crew with Hyce and see how it works splitting the duties =-)
And throwing the keys in the dirt
Ah, you threw debris up, as well as you run out of water and the pressure from a boil dry method as well as a bit of debris hitting the pressured boiler caused it to go boom. Also, a thing to do is keep the firebox door open and that way you can check the fire, plus, use the cablight, but crouch to check the water when working at night or coasting through a tunnel. Plus, if you hear a dry hissing noise, it means the injector has no water to draw into the boiler, so shut the regulator and use gravity to coast. That and keep an eye on your train's weight. Anything over about 200 tons will kill your momentum going up hill or cause you to run away. Watch everything. Tank Engines aren't the best for long or heavy freight trains. They're more for branch runs.
You can put a lantern on the shelf of the bunker, it will make the water glass more visible. Also, as far as I have noticed, when there is no water in the tank, the injector makes no noise at all. Open it all the way and it's silent - problem.
It is possible to go from the Sawmill to the Goods factory with the 060 pulling a 300t or so train (I forgot, it was a while ago, maybe it was 400t) and not use all the water. However, you need to drive efficiently - accelerating uses energy and braking wastes it. Instead of accelerating when you see a 60 sign and braking 300m later seeing a 50 sign, just go at 50. Most of the time I can just coast because the train is going downhill or just after going downhill. I mostly have the regulator open going uphill.
Locomotive variety in this game is just as good as the sim itself.
Ah yes, the first thing to do with your new license: yeet it in the bin
lmao
I feel like hyce would be proud right into explody boys.
Cool video, ejoyed it, steam locomotives are complex and fun
0:34 (manual) “note: you do not have to carry this. You can store is somewhere safely”
(kAN) *throws it in trashbin*
I can totally imagine Hyce going "kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" a bazillion times
I drive steam tractors instead of locos, so not quite as in-depth, but still, I get some good laughs outta this
Hyce would be proud.
Two vids same day. Nice.
Steam train screamed 😂😂😂
Remember, you can go slow to learn, then go faster as you get the hang of it
"Poorly" is putting it lightly
You blew up the boiler TWICE
You had no water when it exploded 🤣
cant wait for more videos on this game, if you have vr you should try it in vr
So, running steam alone meanis panicing constantly. Both KAN and Hyce do it. Just differently but still. Love it.
seeing kan pass a turn just because he is distracted by explaining stuff
you cut the part where you locked all your brakes 😂
Because the boiler hit hard on the rock
Serious disasters:
17:21 stopping at the wrong station too late and destroying the fuel containers.
24:27 derailing and exploding the train.
You should get the shunting license, you can make pretty good money on some of those jobs, and if it's one to set up a train you can immediately take the freight haul of the consist you just assembled.
Can't wait for kAN to work on another steam locomotive in scrap mechanic with actual lubricant and stuff using the knowledge he gained from this.
23:16 Water.
23:18 Water.
23:29 WATER.
23:34 W A T E R.
23:40 DAMN IT KAN WATER
24:10 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY ADD WATER TO YOUR BOILER!
24:20 in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti
24:40 Water.
I hate seeing someone doing harm to any type of engine. You DO NOT need to be operating that poor steam locomotive.
just like hyce he blows up the oil well
I was wondering if you have played any Railroads Online lately. I recently started playing again and I'm looking for some tips and suggestions.
Runs out of water blows up while derailing lol
So, the very simple way to understand the reverser and why you draw it back for high-speed operation.
When the reverser is all the way in the corner as Hyce puts it, you are dumping steam at boiler pressure into the piston. This gives you a ton of power but doesn't let you conserve steam pressure in the boiler and steam chest, as the steam isn't allowed to expand once it's admitted into the piston.
When the reverser is at, say, half instead of in the corner, then for half the piston cycle you admit steam, and the other half the steam is expanding. You've simultaneously reduced steam use by volume per piston stroke, and are extracting more energy out of it because it's still working while expanding, just not as well as much as when you just dump straight boiler pressure into it without real limit.
Drawing the reverser back actively robs your pistons of power, but it allows you to more efficiently use the heat the boiler puts into the water, letting you activate the pistons more often, allowing you to maintain a higher speed without running out of steam pressure.
Just remember: always close the firebox doors before entering a tunnel at speed.
yall smell that....? Smells like something familiar
oh god kan said hammer it i feel like we all knew where this is gonna end up
Cthulhu escaped out of your boiler
When leaving a steam loco, you can't just "push the off button". If you open the reg and drain the steam (thereby the water), you pretty much guarantee a boiler explosion. So, first shake the grates, dumping the fire. Then you can close off the rest. No reason to waste the water that is still in the boiler.
So many flats spots on that loco now.
If you have dentures prepare to lose them.
If you don't have dentures, prepare to need some.
Service Report: Wheels are hexagonal
It looks like you got infected with a Hyce's syndrome - you too hug explody boys with full speed.
18:04 how did the locomotive survive that?
24:50 you both didn't have water and the S060 likes to explode anyway. Honestly kinda surprised it didn't at OWN incident.
It‘s no a steam train, it‘s a steam locomotive. It pulls a train.
If the pistons aren't receiving hot steam, they will cool down. So you will need to open the cylinder cocks after longer periods of coasting.
24:29 at least you didn't fall of the cliff
You need a full tender of coal and the side tanks full of water. The sound is the wipers on the windows need water to wipe and no water makes a squeaky noise