US Government: 'Gold mine' with 200 years of hydrogen discovered underground
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- US Government: 'Gold mine' with 200 years of hydrogen discovered underground
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Does anyone else have the sneaking suspicion that this will all amount to nothing?
Yep the fossil fuel lobby will put the fix in
Hope for the best but expect the worst
Let me think about that befor .....YEP
because most of such news is overblown. Not speaking about downsides.
It's on TH-cam, and TH-cam has LONG since gone the way of Discovery which knows does "documentaries" like "Are Mermaid Real??"
This sounds highly speculative. There is one known hydrogen producing well at the end of the mid-continental-rift in Kansas. And it is not pure hydrogen.
The drilling muds pumped into the Kola ultra-deep borehole come up fizzing with hydrogen gas, but having to drill that deep to get it doesn’t seem economical.
Dexter Kansas well is known for Helium. I guess it could be possible to actually get H2. Highly speculative is a great way to put it. Feels like the headline needed to be 200 years so the math was figured back from a beliveable efficiency to give the amount that is potentially there. Doubtful, but willing to pay attention to whatever Gates is pushing.
...not to forget the issues the people living around that area would have.
The Kansas well is a completely different hydrogen source (fossil derived) from the main non-fossil form (the Kola type) that the USGS was referring to. Serpentine hydrogen is pure and very abundant but has to be deep to still be contained because hydrogen diffuses so easily. But the US is not the most promising place for this new gold rush - other continents have much more promising geology (you need very old iron rich rocks - the hydrogen is released as water under huge heat and pressure rusts the iron). In Australia alone I know of three successful hydrogen "strikes" already - it is deep, but no deeper than some production oil fields (eg Brazil's).
I have found 8 bilion sources of pure biogas, they will last on average for 70 years. It is in your back. Do you see a problem in harvesting and using it?
What 'Issues'?????
Please elucidate!@@chillfluencer
It would unlikely change anything. Still has to be mined, refined and transported.
If converted to electricity at the well site, transportation is not an issue.
Exactly. Michael Barnard shows the problems & costs only start with initial production.
And the realistic uses aren’t stuff like baseload power, but on-site iron ore reduction. That’s the big one.
Also production of nitrogen fertilisers.
But not a lot else, it’s just too difficult & dangerous to compress & transport.
It depends if the mine location can be reasonably connected to the power grid. If the flow can be turned on and off and is fast enough then it could be really useful to power a backup power station for peak demand times and dunkleflaut. Alternatively if combined with a large storage tank it can be mined continuously and used intermittently.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 with respect, I doubt you understand grid costs. It’s really limiting for renewables, remote locations. You are talking high current connection (possibly long distance) used occasionally! I’m no expert, but I’ve learned that at least.
PS. Batteries will take over peak demand market. Only infrequent, longer shortfall in supply an issue. Where diesel shines now.
@@iandavies4853 In the first sentence I said if it can be connected to the grid. It depends how close it is. If it's within a few 10s of miles from the transmission grid it might be worth it. If it's remote then not. Batteries are great for day to day variation. But if the wind drops for 2 weeks during winter batteries will never be enough for that. They are too expensive for something of that scale. That's when we need the backup power. Perhaps building a pipeline might be cheaper than a transmission line, depending on the terrain.
Originally found in the town of Bourakébougou in Mali in 1987, white hydrogen is a primary energy source, created underground by chemical reactions. Compared to other forms of hydrogen, native hydrogen is still rather understudied but has been found in many European locations, such as the French region of Lorraine. Undoubtedly the major oil companies have a good idea where deposits of White Hydrogen exist given their years of Oil and gas exploration, what was apparently worthless then is a potential gold mine to them now.
Clever. Just the time some people were getting ready to charge their cars with their solar system for free, they are trying to replace petrol with something as expensive.
Solar cannot provide the heavy lifting power generation we need to run the modern world. It is good for spot generation when nothing else is available...when the sun is shining, but the capacity of solar isn't going to be charging many cars for years to come unless you have a large house with the roof covered and you don't drive very much. In that case for sure...you could run your car on solar, but most people won't have that convenience and compressed hydrogen makes more sense once the oil gets low..which isn't anytime soon.
Of course the USA has abundant natural gas and when oil becomes too expensive to extract and refine we can make every product now made from crude using natural gas...and there are centuries worth of known deposits.
The big problem with industrial scale processes and hydrogen is that from a chemical engineering standpoint, hydrogen is one of the most hazardous elements to work with unless you have a very controlled and specific environment. Now some elements, like fluorine, are highly toxic both by being gaseous and highly reactive. Breathing gaseous poisons is the fastest way to get them into your bloodstream, short of an IV.
The problem with hydrogen is that hydrogen gas can leak through solid steel pipes. The atom/molecule is so small it can leak through the vast majority of practical industrial type infrastructure.
While not being toxic, it has two other problems that make the leaking issue into a major safety issue. First of all it is highly reactive, and with regular things. Like the oxygen in the air. The other thing is it has a very low energy of activation. That means that it takes very little energy to initiate many of those reactions. So that means a very small spark can set it off. Plus it yields a fair bit of energy while doing this.
Industrial processes dealing with hydrogen gas must be positively ventilated, as well as deliberately designed so you don't have dead spots in the air circulation, where hydrogen can accumulate. Because by definition it's lighter than air, those dead spots aren't where you would find them with most normal industrial processes. So it needs to be both designed and built properly, as well as operated in an extremely safety conscious environment.
Watch the oil rig workers changing drill bits, or adding pipe sections to the shaft itself, while it's operating. There are accepted practices in that industry that are simply not acceptable in the vast majority of workplaces.
But the safety regulations that I've seen, watching them drilling, are primarily ones that will tear off limbs, crush people, breaks necks once you fall 80 ft, ad nauseam. With hydrogen it's more of a Hindenburg type of disaster, except on an industrial plant scale.
That was what held hydrogen back from the beginning. Things like hydrogen fuel cells have helped, but the infrastructure to safely handle hydrogen "pumps" being handled by regular everyday folks, is going to be an even harder rollout than chargers for EVs. So now here is the problem in comparing the two technologies, and since EVs charging infrastructure is already building out in some of the most remote areas - I don't see hydrogen replacing EVs. Plus, we recently had all four charging stations at the local children's science center have their main cables cut.
Probably by the same kinds of people whose strip houses and industrial sites of wires when nobody's there. Fortunately electrical code typically means that all that happens is they simply don't work, and are expensive to repair. Now think of those same morons thinking they can steal pieces of a hydrogen station. I could see this working in someplace like Japan. In the United States I have my doubts.
I agree with everything you said except working in Japan. I have worked on rigs in Kazakhstan and Iran and all through Alberta mostly as an H2S consultant and safety guy. Drilling for hydrogen will be no more risky than drilling for natural gas. The alloys needed to avoid hydrogen embrittlement and blistering are expensive. The trick is time, see hydrogen is the lightest molecule so we will always be at the top of a gas formation that produces it and other gases. This is called stratification. As long as you drill into that upper section then you’ll get hydrogen only out. If you pull hard on the well then it will mix with other gases but the trick is to produce slowly. So you will have pure hydrogen coming out of the production string then if you’re smart you’ll put it immediately into a fuel cell and create electricity. You have almost an immediate revenue stream for very small relative cost while using the hydrogen in situ.
I agree with everything you said except working in Japan. I have worked on rigs in Kazakhstan and Iran and all through Alberta mostly as an H2S consultant and safety guy. Drilling for hydrogen will be no more risky than drilling for natural gas. The alloys needed to avoid hydrogen embrittlement and blistering are expensive. The trick is time, see hydrogen is the lightest molecule so we will always be at the top of a gas formation that produces it and other gases. This is called stratification. As long as you drill into that upper section then you’ll get hydrogen only out. If you pull hard on the well then it will mix with other gases but the trick is to produce slowly. So you will have pure hydrogen coming out of the production string then if you’re smart you’ll put it immediately into a fuel cell and create electricity. You have almost an immediate revenue stream for very small relative cost while using the hydrogen in situ.
Nah. H2 is not that hazardous.
@@Palisades_Prospecting Agree. Btw I've worked with H2S also.
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Sounds like a marketing campaign.
Discovering and commercializing are two very different things. I doubt this hydrogen can be used economically this decade, if ever
Likely, but that might not matter.
1. Modern technology has a habit of building upon itself. The fracking and other industries now allow extremely deep, horizontal drilling, piping, etc. with sensors, Earth penetrating radar, etc. Extraction probably isn't that difficult.
2. Hydrogen fuel cells may not have made it big "commercially", but it is a well-known, proven technology in terms of fuel cells in industries from submarines, space flight, aircraft, etc. There likely wouldn't be a lot of R&D to make larger scale power generation facilities.
3. In the end, it doesn't have to replace things this decade. A few test facilities to proof it is abundant and accessible is good enough. Once it is known, it keeps down the cost of energy, maintains stability, can be brought on slowly, etc. It's like Canada's oil sands. It's there, we know how large it is, and we know it can be used if/when oil reaches a certain price point.
@@BW022 Hydrogen is super expensive to store and transport.It is not a practical replacement for fossil fuel
@@mongo64071 Fracking is a different. Also fracking is a last resort grab for oil.
Even if not present in exportable quantities it could at least be nice for local usage, like that village in Africa.
@@samheasmanwhite Hydrogen is unsuitable for domestic use.
What you didn’t mention mate is the big discovery they made in a your own country, which also has a huge reservoir of helium which is hugely valuable in itself, the hydrogen is essentially a free side benefit
Aussie here. Did not know that. Helium is super rare. I just googled and found the company announcing this. Fascinating
When government funding is available, treat it with scepticism.
Due to it's molecular size, Hydrogen (H2) permeates almost everything, so there is nothing that can contain an underground resovior like natural gas (a much bigger molecule, so can be contained by geologic formations). Hydrogen is so tiny, you can't even use a natural gas reticulation network for distribution, as all the joints leak Hydrogen
But hydrides would be a containable source of Hydrogen. However, the hydride bonds need to be broken from whatever mineral it is chemically bonded to. That take energy and a conversion plant = cost. Mining hydrides is also expensive, as they are often located in very deep oceans
Absolutely correct. For years, I have been telling people that while I would LIKE for hydrogen to be a viable fuel, it is quite miserable in so many ways. Tanks to hold even a modest amount with out continual refrigeration are huge and heavy, and as you pointed out, that stuff leaks through almost everything.
"Scientists at the University of Lorraine were searching for methane in north-east France, when they unexpectedly discovered a large deposit of natural hydrogen more than 1,000 metres deep underground. This hydrogen is produced by groundwater reacting with iron-rich minerals, splitting the water into hydrogen, possibly renewing itself almost indefinitely."
@@downstream0114 and if you read what I wrote, you'll see where you went wrong
Hydrogen gas can't be contained by natural geological structures due to molecular size. I should also add that it's density also contributes to its ability to escape natural containment
Molecular hydrogen can be produced naturally, as noted in the video, but it then escapes terrainian containment and then escapes the atmosphere as earth gravity is insufficient to hold onto it
@@tristramsnowdon5256The way it's described in the news article there's a balance of production against diffusion.
Storage and transport of hydrogen are such big problems that rule out it's use in cars, probably forever. But it has huge potential to replace coal (coke) in the smelting of iron and steel, and is the steel industry's best hope of decarbonisation.
Absolutely. There are sensible use cases for hydrogen in industry eg steel and ammonia /fertiliser manufacture. Long distance trucks may also be worth it. Cars are not likely worth it. The EU has decided to require main transport routes to have hydrogen filling stations for those trucks.
Recently saw graphite thermal batteries, due to supply heavy industry with the heat and electricity they need. Cheap modular and can use spare solar and wind when it is otherwise worthless.
It could be used with the new efficient process to generate ammonia for fertilisers.
There is a massive find of hydrogen in France as well!
Not massive and no data on how quickly it's being replenished to supply demand beyond what's stored.
Interesting. We shall see how it goes. Love the energy news updates where we keep up with info that seldom rises to network news. Thanks for all you do, Sam🎉
That’s crazy! I would think H2 was too reactive to be be found in a pure or nearly pure state. Guess not.
It's mixed with other gasses and would require processing.
@@JoeyBlogs007 I think his point is that he expects chemical reactions, similar to the way you can't find pure chlorine. I assume the answer is that this is only possible in areas with large amounts of waste heat, making the energy budget irrelevant.
Its probably in the form of fresh water
I think you are correct.Hydrogen is a red herring.
It'smade to sound like they found a puddle of hydrogen. It's coming out of the rocks.
Toyota has been touting hydrogen as the future for at least a decade. Did they know something we didn't? I'm optimistic pending more research.
My dad works for an oil and natural gas company. He told me there is enough oil to fuel the world for another 2,000 years. And there is enough natural gas to fuel the world for another 10,000 years.
The Hydrogen isn't any more readily available than oil, it will have to be drilled for, separated, compressed and then delivered by tanker to refuelling stations if it's to be used by road vehicles. That's not the only issue with inconvenient Hydrogen. Getting it into vehicles and using it efficiently is never going to compete with BEVs.
It's certainly useful for Steel making, but wasting it in vehicles makes no sense.
So, hydrogen as a fossil fuel? I suspect that in typical hydrogen hype fashion, they are wildly exaggerating the amount. But even if it is accurate, they still have the problems of transport and storage that plagues hydrogen as a fuel. The best use might be to set iup a fuel cell powerplant near the well-head, as the resulting electricity is easier to transport, easier to store, and a lot more useful.
Maybe it's natural gas and it needs energy to extract hydrogen from it - end the carbon from it still gets released in the air as CO2.
So basically hydrogen from natural gas and that's even worse than natural gas itself, because of the energy needed to do all these additional processing steps.
Quick question, if we source energy from oxidising hydrogen for hundreds of years what affect would that have on oxygen levels in the atmosphere? We would increase the amount of water on earth.
Quick answer: Don't worry. If there is hydrogen reserve underground, there must also be oxygen reserve underground too. Mine oxygen at the same time of mining hydrogen. Then after combining hydrogen and oxygen in fuel cells to get electricity, let the by-product water flow to the sea (or drink it), the nature will do its work - water will go underground where it will be de-synthesized into hydrogen and oxygen again! (Hope this is the case.)
who cares?
Good point (theoretically), albeit moot point (practically). The surplus of water shouldn’t be a concern, but the decrease of oxygen in the air might be.
Whereas if you synthesize H2 from H2O, you first release an O which is then reattached to H2 by the fuel cell system. That’s more of a close cycle.
None of that will ever be useful for road vehicles anyway, hence the moot point. 🙂
Sadly, there is a planetary warming factor from too much atmoapheric hydrogen as well. So humanity leaking too much of it will turn out about as well as leaking too much Methane and CO2 has.
Quick answer: There is so much O2 in the atmosphere that this would be a drop in the bucket. We've been burning carbon for over a century, and a LOT of it. If that hasn't used up the oxygen, there won't be a problem with H2. There are plenty of other problems though.
It’s amazing that there is hydrogen locked away down there.. like it is such a small molecule that it leaks through solid steel pipes.. how did it get there from a geological point of view. You would have thought that it would have escaped and floated up to the highest part or the atmosphere.
Yes, that was the thinking and that absolutely has to be happening. But it seems there is a massive amount of hydrolysis naturally occurring all the time.
It's being made down there by ionized minerals reacting with water. It didn't need to get down there.
Finding it and extracting may be the easy part. Once you have it, would need to transport it to where we can use it. It is very difficult to deliver hydrogen to an urban hydrogen filling station. Large heavy lorries carries cold and highly compressed gas. Many (i think it is 11) hydrogen lorries would be needed to deliver the same number of road-miles as a petrol tanker.
The problem will be to get the gas up without other gasses polute the hydrogen, like methan and the like. If they can do that, clean energy is at hand for hundreds of years! They have found similar huge deposits in Europe also. I guess they are everywhere!
This was deeply interesting. Warmest compliments. Thank you, sir. :)
Sounds too good to be true. By the time you figure out how to extract it, refine it, and build the infrastructure to compress and transport it, will it be worth it? That's always been the challenge with hydrogen.
They said Hydrogen demands, not energy. Hydrogen is not currently used for energy (appreciably)
I was watching a video on Toyota trying to make it a Realistic fuel. And to keep it liquid so the tank can hold more it had to be kept near absolute 0° even then it would be constantly venting and the tank would only set like a week or so. Plus the refueling process of such extreme temperature changes was a major issue too. But they did complete the first ever 12 or 24 hour race somewhere on hydrogen only fuel. Was a cool vid
Great news!! We already have the infrastructure to pump and transport natural gas, hydrogen is very similar, just need to see how economical it is. Hydrogen's a great option for ships and jet airplanes, no use for passenger vehicles as we're still stuck paying fuel companies at fuel stations where we can charge at home from our solar panels, with EV's.
Except for hydrogen embrittlement problem.
@@waywardgeologist2520😂damn the most frequently spoken term in my day job.
Hydrogen works it's way into the crystal structure of metals and makes them brittle. The means it's a very difficult material to work with. Also effective seals are very difficult. The shuttle had to use a triple sealed, helium purged system for the hydrogen pumps.
One does not simply switch natural gas systems to move hydrogen.
Hydrogen is NOTHING like natural gas.
Apart from the embrittlement problem that others have mentioned, the size of the atom is a huge problem too.
There is no material available at present that can contain H2 at usable temps/pressures.
I wonder why propane has seen very little success... it first started fueling transportation in 1913.
Interesting. Thanks Sam
Seems like a pretty convenient development for oil companies looking for a new direction.
Should we ask if we'll be gouged accordingly?
I think it's very likely this will be a big deal for humanity. Not only are there huge amounts of hydrogen, it also regenerates. The arguments that there could be no exploitable hydrogen were quite logical, but they are being defeated by what must be a high rate of naturally occurring hydrolysis.
Hydrogen powered power stations directly above the H deposits makes sense. Hydrogen for cars continues to not make sense. Just the storage and distribution realities make H ridiculous for cars. It would be great to power our electricity needs with Hydrogen instead of coal. Solar, Hydrogen and Wind can revolutionize human civilization.
You can make hydrogen yourself with aluminum foil and lye (plumbing). We used to do this often as kids and fill balloons with them.
That was interesting, thanks.
We have been hearing for years about how hydrogen will solve all energy problems but no one seems to know how to harness the energy.
One reason to believe it will happen is the incentives for the western oil majors. Shell and chevron are already exploring. They have the resources and expertise to make it happen if it is possible. The energetics of being able to extract an energy source are far superior to building things like wind turbines, solar panels and batteries, so you can see how this could become a big economic winner if the geoscience can be proven out.
Going to be too expensive compared to power generation. That’s a guess. I don’t know.
The same was just announced about a large deposit found in France
Did you know that Hydrogen is even worse greenhouse gas than CO2 in the atmosphere? Now you know - if I remember correctly, made a video where they made that conclusion. I would not be supporting hydrogen even if it was free. Just my opinion.
Hydrogen is not a greenhouse gas. Previous videos had to do with the amount of energy needed to produce it from NG or electrolysis.
The only byproduct of hydrogen combustion is H2O
Four questions.
1. While H20 (water) would be the more abundant result of H2+O2, it is not out of the question that HO (peroxide) will also be the result. HO is highly corrosive to steel/iron. Are we really planning on making all engine parts out of stainless steel, all the way to the exhaust?
2. I'm reading several reports from 'mines' around the world that say the gasses they contain are 92%-98% hydrogen (H2). Great! Now, what does the other 2%-8% comprise? Radon seems HIGHLY likely in ALL mines. Do we really want to blow more radon into the air faster that nature seeps it through the ground?
3. Is the H2 truly H2? Or is it HD, DD, TT, etc.? How deuterium or tritium radioactive isotopes are we dumping into our air as we burn the nominally-called "H2"?
4. Why do we want to pump another greenhouse gas into the air? Water vapor currently accounts for half of the greenhouse effect (according to MIT). So we'll stop pumping CO2 into the atmosphere and instead replace it with more H20. We'd need either double the rain we have now to offset the greenhouse effect of doubling the H2O vapor, or, live with continued warming just from a different gas.
Hydrogen is a great fuel in theory, the issue is that it lacks density, the costs of producing and logistics of storing & distributing it make it impractical.
It may be good for on site generation at gathering points though.
If there is profit and opportunity, I have every bit of faith that US technology will find a way to make it happen.
A membrane filter is all that is needed to separate methane from hydrogen. Hydrogen (H2) is the smallest molecule, everything else is bigger. And the technology is already in use.
If there is large and viable quantities of hydrogen underground (which is a novelty), i would have though separation from other gases would be relatively simple in principle. Given that its small molecule allows it to leak out of many ordinary materials it would just need that leakage tuning to get hydrogen through as fast as possible without allowing other gasses through.
The big fat problem with hydrogen; there are few ways to denseify it.
To make it small and dense, it must be compressed to remove the latent heat and make a liquid.
Or, it can be made into a hydride metal that will release the gas when heated.
Just keep looking for zero point energy!
AS Always Government and BIG companies will never let this happen, REAL OR NOT!!!
If it could be commercially viable in the production of electricity it would be a game changer.
If for use in vehicles it would be a whole new game.
The problem with Hydrogen is distribution, you basically need to build power stations where the Hydrogen is. Even pipelines are not economical, Hydrogen is just very non-dense.
Even if someone hands you free Hydrogen it is still stupidly expensive and inefficient to use it.
Interesting video Sam, I think the jury is out on “white” hydrogen, but it could be a valuable resource.
A fuel company and even Toyota have said hydrogen too costly and no infrastructure so it doesn't matter how many years there is, there is virtually no infrastructure, who will build the thousands of filling points
No different to who will build all the EV chargers.
It will be companies who want to make money from it
You do a very good job, keep it up.
Natural hydrogen has been known for a long time. Noctilucent clouds are the highest cloud formations in the earth's atmosphere, occurring at altitudes of 70-95 km. They arise from natural hydrogen, which will last for 10,000 years.
The technology is already being implemented in huge projects backed by the utilities in Utah.
Could you provide a link to verify the info from the "U.S. government agency" that's being referenced in the video? Thanks. 😮
Engineers and scientists from the chip industry in the Southwestern states are investing once again in solid-state hydrogen storage. Does anyone know what is going on with the new ASU H2 facility H2MOF and Plasma Kinetics joint venture?
BP plant in Whiting Indiana will embark on a 7-billion-dollar clean burning hydrogen hub, that will begin construction in 2025 partnered with the US dept of energy along with a consortium of companies.
I hope they can use it, especially for the steel industry where they need 1500 celsius (H2+extra O2). Then they can stop with cole and gas.
This further confirms the theory that the Earth core is made of compressed hydrogen (like most heavenly bodies), which behaves like magnet in its compressed supraconductive state. The theory states that the Earth's size gradually increases by that hydrogen getting slowly out and becoming water after reacting with oxygen. This explains how the Pangea fits as a skin to a much smaller ball. Amazing discovery when you think about it, except what about a mishap causing this resource to explode?
I think this potentially as big of a game changer as fracking/shale. I think the simplest way to exploit it is to generate electricity and ammonia right at the source.
I totally agree. Transporting it (or even storing it) would be so problematic it just isn’t worth it. Making a power station atop the hydrogen/methane mine however, and using it to make nitrates for fertiliser as well, makes way more sense.
Other side hustles might include refining metals from ores mined nearby, such as aluminium or titanium, which require huge amounts of electricity.
If you want to use Hydrogen, by far the cheapest and easiest way to get this is from Methane. There are a LOT of known problems with using Hydrogen as a fuel though; it's also a lot simpler (never mind cheaper, which typically also translates into having a lower environmental impact) to use Methane instead.
And we know methane isn’t the answer to anything.
It’s as bad for global warming as coal.
Even hydrogen has AGW issues.
Yes, but methane emits CO2 when it burns but pure hydrogen won't. Agree with you about the engineering problems associated the hydrogen, particularly as natural hydrogen is likley to be contaminated with other gases.
And if any escapes, it is a more potent global warming gas than CO2.
@@roberthuntley1090 Some amount of CO₂ is safe and necessary. The question is, how much is too much? I think we should concentrate on reforestation of the Amazon rain forests which are being industrially stripped bare for farming or mineral exploitation, stop polluting the oceans with plastics and restore the plankton which generate most of the world's oxygen, and try to green the deserts such as the Sahara. Lots we can do before having to mess with hydrogen fuel.
@@ChickensAndGardeningthe amount there already was naturally before humans started adding to it is appropriate. We need to stop adding to it. We need to stop burning all fossil fuels as soon as possible. All alternatives should be used where ever they are the best option.
I think the focus should be to create electricity and convert water into hydrogen when the supply exceeds demand. Further I think hydrogen is not the focus we should have. For instance, biofuel for sea vessels and Diesel cars is mich more interesting since its much easier to store and its very easy to convert the engines.
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There has been a big Hydrogen find in France apparently. But likely quite polluted with Methane etc
It’s got to be considered great news as it gives science the two hundred years it most likely needs to make fusion power work
In the UK we were told it was in France? this is beginning to smell a bit odd!!
Phil
Assuming that there is indeed a huge reserve of hydrogen underground and processing of the mined hydrogen into pure hydrogen is commercially viable, it still may not be able to compete with electricity whose application has been established for decades or even centuries. Hydrogen needs to go through the development processes similar to those of electricity to sort out all the problems including storage, distribution and delivery before it can be used by users on a commercial scale.
You cannot compare hydrogen with electricity. Hydrogen is a fuel. Electricity needs to be generated from another source of energy. Great if there were enough solar and wind generated electricity but the sun does not always shine and the wind does not always blow.
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 I get what you mean - hydrogen is a substance (element to be precise), electricity is an energy. But hydrogen is seen as a competitor to electricity which represents and is generated using mainly fossil fuels, solar and wind power. Especially in terms of hydrogen driven vehicles vs. electric vehicles (EVs).
@eugenec7130 If there really is that much extractable reserved, I could see hydrogen converted to electricity. That would avoid the issues around handling hydrogen.
Hydrogen maybe economical as a fuel for peak electricity generation- when demand exceeds supply from wind or solar. But it appears to be much more expensive than natural gas.
Water vapor is a greenhouse gas as well.
Hydrogen may be there, but very volatile. There’s also helium gas, which is stable and in high demand. Helium is more valuable and Hydrogen can be made by processing water.
Except my understanding is its badly contaminated and hence cleaning it up would be a CC problem.
Hydrogen is great for many things. Cars aren’t one of them. You either have to have a high pressure vapor tank (30ksi or higher) or liquid (cryogenic) tank. Either one is a hazmat storage maintenance scenario. Most people don’t change their oil. Hydrogen isn’t t going anywhere.
Toyota is saved! Legacy auto is saved! 🤦♂
Reality: this is just the natgas (methane) industry's last gasp
They sell many more vehicles than that new brand tesla ever will with a couple of generic toy cars and cyber urinals.
Yes. Instead of saying, hey, we found hydrogen, it would be more accurate to say hey, we found methane and it has some hydrogen contamination.
@@gregdean8441how many Electrics did Toyoyo sold ? 😂😂😂
How many gas cars did Tesla sell?😃😃😃@@WANDERER0070
@@timtruett5184 Would this be dirty hydrogen? Using this would add a lot of green house gases?
Dismissing the most explosive element in the universe, when it is abundant and cheap to produce. (If you know how to do it) is really being short sighted.
If, used for the right Applications and not nessessarly in vehicles, Hydrogen is an amazing fuel.
Not even close to the most explosive element in the universe
Just SO unfortunate that no exploratory wells have ever been drilled in N. America which might have proven this claim true or false! 😢😢
Sam - Can you do a vlog on the current price comparison between Hydrogen and Electric Batteries.
cars and domestic power supply.????
Prices now and in near future.
Hydrogen does not work for cars, maybe if all the efficiencies improve greatly, but by then batteries will also be better, higher capacity, faster charging. It may be viable as a stop gap for nuclear fusion power in electricity generation. If there is a gold rush it will be short lived. Great channel just discovered, thanks.
Could be used to run ice cars and possibly some aircraft. LPG tanks in the boots or back of cars can be used as fuel to run them. It would come down to price in sold for and having enough cars with tanks in them able to use it and having it for sale at enough places. Ideally vehicles that could use gasoline and hydrogen and lpg would be better than only one fuel.😊
Hydrogen has terrible energy density unless you chill it to a liquid and that creates a whole other set of issues. There's a reason the rocket industry is going to methane in new engines like the Raptor and BE4. Better fuel density, easier handling, no crazy cryo pumps.
@@matthewconnor5483 Methane is still cryogenic, and the pumps needed are crazy for their operational temperature range, but the density makes a massive difference, Hydrogen just can not match it.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes the boil off issues with hydrogen really limit it's useful window too. At least with methane you don't need crazy seals like hydrogen to keep it from working it's way up the drive shafts.
@@matthewconnor5483 Even sealed, the Hydrogen atoms and the H2 molecule, are small enough to soak out through the material of the container.
Yeah I hear again and again about the horrors of using hydrogen to power cars engines and other things. However with hundreds of billions of dollars of the stuff is possibly available to be used in the future it might make sense to use it rather than allowing the power of none comprehension to deliberately waste the opportunity to use it. Could possibly be used to power a few large military aircraft on the cheap. Especially since there is probably hundreds of billions of dollars of the stuff available to be used over time in the future. Depends on whether or not the crude oil business likes money doesn't it? My guess is that they are slightly big fans of getting lots of money 💰.
when hydrogen is burned its waste is water. if the hydrogen is mixed with methane and the 2 are burned the methane releases more water and CO2. At that stage the CO2 can be captured and properly disposed.
Any study on the country currenlty using 'raw' mixed hydrogen for electricity for air pollutants?
Mining Hydrogen?? Time for the next step in evolution to do something, because that is INSANE!!
Early this century there was a lot of fear surrounding the prospect of imminent peak oil production. This is exciting news. 🙂
By the way, YT has now minimized comments and maximized suggested videos. Don't ignore their methods.
This of course won't disrupt any fields of methane gas, nor any CO2 we've already buried. It will be soooooooo safe. This sounds like the same people who have been involved in fracking and burying CO2 are looking for new work for their 'skills'.
Perhaps there is a reason this "report" is unpublished? Just because one geologist says something does not make it true. While serpentinization is a known process and a whole lot of companies are looking for this naturally occurring hydrogen no significant reserves have been tapped.
500 Million Tons are at 39.7 kWh per kg is 19.861 TWh thermal energy. Even at 60% conversion efficiency to electricity only 11.917 TWh yearly.
I thought up to know USGS is a trustworthy organization.
The most ironic part of all of this is how many people don’t understand a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is essentially an electric car 😂
Given the pace of technology , what may be unlikely now may become feasible in a decade , who knows ?
I guess my cause for concern is that this announcement comes from the U.S government. Let's wait a couple years, then double check.
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Hydrogen that leaks, (and being so small, it ALWAYS leaks) would act as a greenhouse gas 11 times more potent than CO2. It does this indirectly, by consuming atmospheric hydroxyl radicals that consume methane. This would make methane lifetimes longer. Methane is far more potent a GHG than CO2.
The Development of plasma and other energy based drilling technologies is going to change extraction from geothermal, hydrogen, natural gas and other minerals. The deeper you drill the more you find more hydrogen and other interesting deposits. If we want the best technologies to advance further then the race to discover what technologies are in fact superior must be maintained.
I wonder what pressure is required to liquify hydrogen ?
First I thought that the fossil fuel companies would hate the idea, but a second thought occurred who is going to profit from this? Companies with drilling and processing equipment. Also if or when it fails or runs out, who will step in to supply all the Hydrogen car drivers? In the end it's not a renewable, so I suspect it would become another money stream that the fossil fuel companies will exploit for huge profits, use to conceal fossil gas extraction and control the market. I notice the cost of renewable energy is high for the customer but low for the producer and have a fairly good idea of where the difference is going. I'll stick with solar and wind.
The hydrogen mix goes down a pipe; processing facility separates gases; pipe to industry.
yep. all we need is millions is of cars with compressed hydrogen tanks running around at 60mph
The availability of hydrogen is, essentially, irrelevant. This is because of the huge cost to store & transport hydrogen. An 18-wheeler load provides sufficient for about 40 fillings of road cars. Currently, the transport cost per litre exceeds the equivalent gas price per litre at the pump. the retail price would need to be somewhere around $6 US per equivalent energy to a gallon of gas if the hydrogen extraction & compression costs were excluded.
There may be solar tech which could provide H2 production on site for filling stations.
We should be working on ways to reduce our need to travel and consume energy like we do. Looking for alternative ways to maintain our needlessly extravagant lifestyles is no solution for our long term future.
What is the use and release of all that hydrogen going to do to oxygen levels?
Won’t amount to anything as far as cars go. Hydrogen filling stations can only fill 50 cars a day so keeping them filled would be an enormous task. Plus there’s no fueling stations available. There will be other applications but EV’s have such a massive headstart over hydrogen, without the storage issues, and electricity is available everywhere that it will never compete.
As batteries get constantly cheaper with better energy density EV’s are a better choice
As hydrogen tanks in cars take up all of the trunk space, hydrogen produces nothing but a problem. In heavy machinery like locomotives, ships, maybe jets, and in outer space applications, maybe even power plants it could be very practical. But never in a car.
Wouldn't making Ammonia from all this Hydrogen on a large scale be a better way to get a carbon free fuel source that is easier to transport and use?
Convert the natural gas turbines at the power plants. Build more.
Ammonia highly toxic to humans
If you self-igniting lithium batteries were dangeous wait until we have leak prone, pressurised hydrogen everywhere !!