Divers' deaths show hazards of Florida's underwater cave
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- The deaths of two experienced Florida divers is prompting new calls to close a well-known cave diving site known as Eagles Nest. The cave has been called the Mount Everest of the sport and draws divers from around the world. Manuel Bojorquez speaks to the father of one of the men killed in the weekend tragedy.
Experienced cave diver since 1992, dove Eagles Nest numerous times. Way beyond the scope of even most cave divers. A deep, extreme cave. Cave STARTS at 200', shallow downstream hovers around 225-230', not much to see, most divers opt for the deeper upstream, 250-275+. Not a dive for air. Gas training/diving should be required. My opinion, maybe 10% of even trained cave certified are qualified for Eagles Nest, it requires a tech level beyond just cave training.
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I’m a Tec Trimix diver and this dive is no prob
@@baddie1shoe I wouldn't go as far as to say no problem, because anything can happen unexpectedly that you didn't think could happen, that's why it's so dangerous, because there's no way straight to the surface when something does go wrong. I'm a certified diver, I was certified back in 1986, and I know that you just never know what can happen. I'm sure that Edd Sorenson was the one to get these guys out, I believe I seen this before and that Edd Sorenson was the one who retrieved their bodies, he's usually the one who does. Edd Sorenson is an incredible diver, he's gotten divers out of places that nobody else could, he's the best of the best, and when the most skilled divers can't get them out, they call Edd Sorenson to get them out! I'd really like to meet him some day! RIP to these two divers who lost their lives! 😔⛪🌸
@@roypatterson9910 what tips would you give me?
@@baddie1shoe What do you mean what tips would I give you??? Are you a certified Diver? If not, then there's absolutely no tips I can give you other than to get certified first, and if you are already certified, then you should have been trained properly by your dive instructor. What every diver is taught or should be taught like I was, which is to never panic, because panicking can and will get you killed! Who were you certified by and when? I was certified by Scuba Hut in Glen Burnie MD through SSI back in 1986, and my Dive Instructor was Frank Eberle, which he's on Facebook and you can look him up.
as a cave diver, I can imagine their fear and panic.
AB i am addicted
@ one of the dangers of cave diving yes.
@Aramaru 1837 Many things can go wrong--not following the rule of thirds with air management--one third in, one third out, one third for emergency. Silt out-zero visibility. Becoming entangled. Getting off main line and becoming disoriented-which way is out? Equipment malfunction. Not for the faint of heart.
Looks beautiful though
I was once swimming in the Suwannee River and swam into an underwater cave. I only went about 5 feet in and got the heebie-jeebies.
Vic Hey where is that place on your profile picture? Looks amazing!
Hi Liam, it's Park City, Utah.
lake monsters live in there
and further in is gold from the caucasian snake people from 7000 years ago,also the adama people and solutrians,caucasians that were herw before the native americans
Liam Hannam Florida doesn’t have snow bud...
my wife gives me the heebie jeebies.
"Cave diving" and "very safe" shouldn't be used in the same sentence unless there's a "is not" in between them
That guy seems like such a nice man. The pride in his son shows through. I hope he finds peace.
i can't even imagine the fear and panic...sad.
Sarah Bayer there was no fear, they worked the problem the entire time. If you looked into what they almost pulled off, as far as an successfull exist, it's amazing. These guys had balls of steal and I only hope.i am half as goods a cave diver as these guys were and I'll be fine.
+Eric Batrez huge fear,huge terror
My condolences to the family. May both be at peace. God bless.
why is it anytime someone dies everyone wants to close everything. Its their life to do what they want
austin kaufman Well if these experienced and very well trained divers died, that means that anybody else could die as easily. They are doing this, aware of the risks, and know they could lose their lives. If somebody dies, the people who own that property could be sued for not having the nessecary safety precautions.
It's in a National Wildlife Refuge. Nobody is getting sued over it being open, the risks are clearly marked on multiple signs right next to the only access to the pond the cave is in and it's a good 15-20 minute drive off the main road on dirt trails through the refuge to get there.
"Someone"?!!! You mean TRAINED DIVERS and INSTRUCTORS
+ICanHazGaming12345 my company
Safe Caves Inc. bought eagles nest and we are boring it out and will install an underwater tram line that will carry tourists all the way,through simulated cave experiances to an actual underwater MacDonalds.
This will prevent further tragedies and let ALL people be underwater cavers!!!!
austin kaufman i hate it because it means i have to travel a MINIMUM of 10 hours to any dive site instead of an hour away (Texas)
Iv allways wanted to be a diver but my damn fear of drowning is what stoped me. Fear stoped me from doing a lotta things....
This is one of the extreme ends of diving, SCUBA in a recreational,
I have a lot of fear for deep water, being in or on the water where I can't see the bottom, let alone where its obviously incredibly deep, that really freaks me out. Yet I got my SCUBA open water certification, and I did do dive to 20 meters and hope to do my advanced certification as well and dive up to 30-40 meters. I've managed to overcome my fears somewhat, and as long as the water is very clear and the bottom isn't like a 100 meters below me, I'm fine.
My condolences to the families, this is a very sad accident. I'm also truly impressed by the comments of Mr. Rittenmeyer.
Cave diving is no more dangerous than any other involved sport like mountain climbing, sky diving, mountain biking.
Each day hundreds if not thousands of successful cave dives are performed in many parts of the world. Like in other sports fatalities are very rare. The proper training and gear is extremely important, as is the experience to dive advanced caves like these. Still accidents can happen, but again this is a very rare exception. Demands for closing this cave make about as much sense as closing the beaches.
Oliver J Albrecht - I agree, and am saddened these two young men lost their lives. However, I disagree it is no more dangerous than other activities as you listed. The complex nature of deep diving, gasses used and the bodies reaction to them at various depths, and the confined and overhead enviroment that prevents a CESA all combine to make it much more dangerous in comparison in my opinion.
That said, they were trained and experienced, and something went wrong that was simply beyond the ability to overcome. It happens, and is part of the assumed risk. Anyone thinking this was safe should rethink their position. I am not advocating not doing it, or banning it, but want people to know the risks are very real and very high, and the cost of diving technical dives as this can ultimately cost someone their life. It is a risk one must be willing to assume and somewhere, someone will draw the short straw occasionally.
I agree with your statement. Their are signs to let ppl know the risk. The trained & experienced divers knew the risk. Like with anything in life mistakes happened. I wish the families peace & comfort
All those sports have their risks, but it is a widely accepted fact amongst cave divers that it is one of the riskiest sports there is.
Dirty Blond Risks are mitigated through proper training and experience. This cave plunges hundreds of feet deep, putting it out of the reach of most cave divers. Only those who are trimix trained beyond full cave and who have over 100 logged cave dives should be at this site. In classes divers are taught proper procedures and redundancies for any conceivable emergency. Every so often a trained diver may go beyond their limits or not follow their training, but this is the case with participants in any other activity listed here. There will always be those types of people, no matter the activity.
I don't know how many people practice cave diving, but 12 death in 3 years in the US is not stunning. for comparison, every winter about 100 people die in avalanches on the Alps, but I suspect ski touring is more popular.
As an experienced diver myself, accidents happen. So sorry for the family and my prayers going out to them.
Experience is subjective
@dontdex8221 So are views on subjectiveness.
Absolutely ridiculous. Because other people make bad decisions, we all have to suffer for it? Getting into the water to dive is inherently dangerous....everyone accepts the risks and the possible consequences. We need to stop with this "OMG! CLOSE IT DOWN NOW!" attitude........
It’s a beautiful sport but sometimes the unexpected happens. My condolences to the family.
We need to rehearse and practice every "what if" situation routinely. I work critical care daily but they still have us review, prove and renew our CPR skills every 2 years or we don't keep our license. I think it would be wise to annually have review classes to maintain Rescue and Cave certifications. Especially review / practice emergent situations.
This comment is not aimed at any particular diver or incident.
If ur prepared then the jinx won’t work anyway
This is also so sad!!! There is a cavelike water hole, well it’s not a hole. It’s wide, and the bottom has never been found. It’s called the Blue Hole of Santa Rosa. Many divers have attempted to find what seems like an endless bottom. When we kids we’d jump off the rocks into the water, never realizing the dangers of this “water cave”. There is also the Carlsbad caves in Southern NM that are amazing!!!! And worth the trip to see them! There are still caves around the Huge Entrance into the many, many caves, that haven’t been touched.....
Maybe in finding all those items under water could suggest a flood occurred?
Sharalynn Shanley yeah I’ve dove there. There’s a bottom at 130ft and a cave entrance that is bared off right at the bottom. I know a diver passed away in the cave there. Beautiful water they have there in that natural spring fun place to swim too
Never needed to close it down, fuck. They know the risks. Why not ban cigarettes if you actually care about human life? Oh wait, you don't, you only care about money.
0:12 - 0:14 DRIVERS?
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Yep. Simple mistake. She's human. Thanks for pointing it out.
Does their equipment have a way of telling them that they’re going to run out of air and to turn back ASAP? Just curious. This is super sad! Rip to both of them.
That's why only experienced people trained as cave divers should be doing it. A regular diver who isn't officially trained as a cave diver will not be prepared for the types of surprises that await.
These two gentlemen were experienced cave divers and had the training to do the dive safely. Unfortunately, diving below 200' is a risk-laden activity and when things go wrong, it can be unforgiving. Whatever situation occurred, they did not make it out. I'm acquainted with people who knew them and they were good guys and good divers.
it's absolutely heartbreaking
300 feet is really deep, nitrogen narcosis sets in quickly.
they are on rebreathers no narcosis. ppN2 is kept low, END of maybe 50ft.
You can still get narcosis with scrubbers. This is what killed David Shaw.
actually, getting tangled up in his lines and having to alter the way he handled his equipment killed david.
At these depths hypoxic Trimix is used to stop the effects of narcosis
David Shaw over breathed his rebreather. The scrubber can only remove CO2 so fast. If you breath really fast and heavy it will overload the scrubber and toxic CO2 levels will develop in the breathing loop.
Two very experienced divers. I wonder what happened. Some equipment failure?
Probably not. They were not supposed to be diving that deep without proper equipment and training.
10 people since 1981. To put that in a perspective, how many have been killed on any given U.S. highway between 1981 and now?
0:39 the facade projector shield crashed, hes actually an alien !!
How do they die? It was never explained. They go to the end of the cave and run out of oxygen?
One of the men probably got into trouble first. Panicked, grabbed the other guy since he was disoriented. Someone probably pulled off a mask. Game over at that point.
@@jawan3387 you are wrong
They were diving too deep
260 ft down isn't even recreational diving anymore,that's commercial diving,these guys got to be crazy,am really sorry to hear they lost their lives...
Maybe out of their depth
Its tech diving and people go to 3 to 400 ft regularly even tho the recommended max depth is 100m or 330ft
Their bodies were found near each other. "One wouldn't leave the other--that's the way they were trained." If you can get out of a deadly situation, you do. There's no honor in dying together. Don't unnecessarily create an additional victim.
Yea, when I heard that I was like wtf
i dont care who i was diving with. If i have the chance to escape and live then I am taking that chance, regardless of who i am diving with.
So they were experienced divers, but were they experienced CAVE divers? Completely different diving and certification.
Yes, they were experienced cave divers.
Experienced cave divers that were not supposed to be doing deep cave diving.
If a cave diver runs out of air, does he literally run out of air? Or is he able to breathe any kind of air, albeit bad air, through his/her regulator?? It is very difficult for me to imagine what it would be like to try to breathe in, but there's nothing there. Would a diver who's run out of air just be gasping, trying to pull in something??? anything????
Terri Smith id say its the same feeling as repeatedly breathing in and out of a plastic bag. U still breathe but you notice that its only CO2
I'm not a cave diver, but I ran out of air at ~70 feet. What happens is you take one breath out and when you try to breath in, literally nothing happens, almost as if the diaphragm is stuck in the regulator (if you know the feeling).
At this point, you go into panic mode, and from there adrenaline kicks in. You stop even trying to breath. In my case, I was owd so there was a surface I could get to. Since my lungs were empty, no risk of an embolism, just go to the surface as fast as possible, hope you don't go into deco (I didn't).
For them, they'd not have that option which is why cave diving is so so so so much more dangerous.
@@sprogovac Thank you! Finally someone understood my question and answered it accordingly!What a horrible feeling it must be to completely run out of air. In your case, there was a way out and I am glad you survived. If it happened to a cave diver, there would be no way out and they would die a horrible death. Even thinking about it scares me.
RIP
So it's still unclear what went wrong..hmm.
At 300 ft just on standard air they’d have got into trouble pretty quick with nitrogen narcosis, I think. Did they say how they died? I wonder if at that depth it’s easy to not be aware of your depth as your eyes are looking at the cave ceiling and telling you you’re only a metre down.
They have a equipment that tells the deep
great point...i never thought of that. Also, although i'm a non-diver, i read that it's really easy to run through all your air the deeper down, because your air supply time is halved for every 30ft (10m) you go down? So, with nitrogen drunkness, don't pay as close attentioin, and then the air is nearly gone before you realize.
@@randomschmo5778 yeah it’s something like that. Every 10m is an extra atmosphere so your lungs are halved in capacity and burn though air. Novices like me breathe harder and don’t conserve air like the pros do. Smokers and panicking are factors too
so few people have died and they want to close it off? makes no sense, a life worth living contains risk. our culture needs to grow up.
It must draw “drivers” from around the world if it’s so dangerous.
so how did they die?
Yeag
d-uh
They ran out of oxygen
Swallowed in a bunch of water
I don’t dive but I know about the danger of Eagles Nest and if I remember correctly, there’s a sign before you embark down the cave stating that without the right training death was certain. All about treating the dive the safest way possible and even then it can go awry
Did you watch the video even? They showed the signs like 5 times and talk about it
oh no I died inside a virtual reality
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@@relyncejano4296 ??
You say the were "Experienced Divers" But.........where they experienced and certified CAVE DIVERS?
VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION~
Experienced Divers > Experienced Cave Divers > Experienced Deep Cave Divers.
Draws drivers from around the world? lol
I know this is old, but we should close all the roads cause driving is dangerous too. Kind of ridiculous to call for its closure. Adults are qualified to make the choice.
This is very sad ibfont think if I go that deep even if I be professional swimmers sad that's painfull dead 😰😱😨😪😭water & 🔥 is painful no one can fight with, very power'full
We dont want anyone to dive in this lake so we are going to give it news coverage. Gives the public the opportunity to voice their opinion on something they have no experience or knowledge about besides what they hear on a 4 min broadcast. Smh
Don't close something just because of a couple people's mistakes.
0:12 draws drivers!? I
Reason #4892 why I don't cave dive.
well they have to close mount everest
abu maawi mountains Everest is diffrent than this mountains rest never be close is big business for poor country too like that country souheadt isian mountains Everest cost for some rich life people $100 thousand 😃😀😀is not two thousand $ tickets 😀😃😀😃
And did they close Mount Everest, because people die there? And did they stop skydiving? No they did not. Because the world should not be "closed for your safety". But actually - If people wanted to REALLY stop needless, indiscriminate deaths they could opt to stop traffic. Modern traffic is a slaughterhouse by comparison to any of the above.
I strongly agree. I personally am a coward who can't swim. I snorkeled holding a buggy board after receiving careful training and attention. Don't know why I wrote this.
Point is, I can't abide by the closure of natural, wild places of beauty and personal challenge because of tragedy that happens.
I am guessing that non swimmers were the ones demanding closure.
P.S. I could submit the names of interstates, expressways and parking lots to go....
@@amyepstein4868 Well ... sounds like you are brave in traffic, so I guess maybe that balances things out.
it is not a safe endeavor, it is not. these are the best divers out there and they die all the time. stupid just ridiculous.
No way too claustrophobic
Yeah, its all fun and games until somebody drowns or gets an eye put out.
Yeah so let’s close the oceans, lakes and rivers since that’s where people have drowned. Oh and close the underwater caves since that’s where some divers have died🤨
I don't need to do the dive. Just give me a submersible drone with a camera.
You don’t close it because it’s dangerous.... pros only...... Don’t fly a plane just because you know how to steer a car...... ruins things for everyone because you have courage... rip
Keep dive sites open! We don't stop driving due to 1,000's dying from auto accidents every week.
0:39 When you enter the dankest depths
Giovanni B Media idiots once again. No research, They just try and read the script
Eagles nest is one of the most deadly caves out there it nearly kills everyone that steps inside it even trained professional divers have died looking for bodies in that cave and apparently there is a tunnel at the bottom of the cave that has current flowing through it and so if you were to slim down to that tunnel and the current would have pull you in you will never be able to come out that hole and it's over 900 ft down there under that tunnel and that's at the bottom of eagles nest that's how a lot of bodies have gone missing in there because they get down to the bottom and then the current that's going through that hole sucks the bodies through that hole and no divers have ever gone in there or ever going to because it's impossible to come back out
What's the point of going in caves.
What’s the point of doing cocaine?
RIP guys
People die on the roads everyday, we shouldnt close the roads!
A new and expensive rebreather can make this swim easy.
That’s what they were using and died anyways.
Why go in? It’s unbelievable to me how anyone would want to go in the first place.
Because it's beautiful ! :)
My two-cent thought how about building a tube (similar as a small submarine) with aircraft cables attached to the two ends; putting the boy inside the tube with the oxygen tank then pull the tube out.
An hour ago they decided to do a full rescue dive...It's Go Time..Couldn't wait any longer because of the rain forecast
They prepared for every eventuality except the one thing that would take their lives. Sad
They were experienced divers but we're they certified cave divers? I know there is a difference.
It draws drivers from around the world. Not this driver.
Brevard Smith 😂
Use a water breathing potion
Driving into tragedy.
She can get it
Hi wild coyote you know I love you right 🥺
IT APPEARS THAT SOME DIVERS WILL SEE HOW DEEP THEY CAN GO UNTIL THEY DIE
True story here. My friends sister was killed in an automobile accident last month. We need to close down the roads.
play stupid games, win stupid prizes. R.I.P.
If I get this right they didn't have any cave diver training and certification at all. Not to mention experience.
Didnt mention whether they were on OC or CC. Much more people die on rebreathers percentage wise and its not even their fault. A co2 hit from a malfunctioning scrubber can knock you out within a minute. If trained, OC cave diving is pretty safe these days. Especially in florida where the caves have minimal silt. Those statistics of people dying come from before the 2000s. More people die from heart skiing (41.5 a year on average). Less than 3 cave divers die each year. Keep it in perspective. Everything is dangerous.
@jackmarshall3214 Those two numbers of deaths that you quote don't "keep it in perspective". Knowing a number of people who ski every year compared to the number of people who cave dive every year, and then working out what percentage of them died, would.
@jackmarshall3214 Those two numbers of deaths that you quote don't "keep it in perspective". Knowing a number of people who ski every year compared to the number of people who cave dive every year, and then working out what percentage of them died, would.
Driver divers
Hey anyone wanna go to the nutty puddy caves?
I have no problem with people exploring their limits-only don't endanger other people with rescue attempts. Did the Sheriff's Dept. bill their estates?
Ad Mirer. Would not have cost much more the another dive. Others might have seen them on their way out.
Everything comes downs to money with you Yanks. No matters more to you.
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Get it right. He wasn’t killed he died for being ignorant.
That ain't my idea of a good time.😖🤮😭🥺🤬🤯
PADI👍
Hayden Philbert lol!! PADI certified haha
Too much risk for too little reward.
this is so true, the cave isn't even that nice man, long live pat long live Chris
I know how they died! They ran out of air.
Smoking rocks may be why they chose to do this.
Don’t have appreciation for your life...
Why should one feel sorry?
They were looking for God and they found him...
Woooow... that’s mean! Smh
To think that take risk unnecessary in life will
Make you different than the rest of the world, well think again because that just make you dumb
I wouldn’t cave dive because I’d be scared of a cave in.
What if I offered you a hundred dollars