Buried Alive: the Nutty Putty Cave Incident
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2021
- In November 2009, a family trip down to the Nutty Putty caves turned into a hellish nightmare, causing one of the most unusual and arguably terrifying deaths in caving history, leading to the Nutty Putty caves being sealed shut forever.
This is the story of the Nutty Putty Cave incident.
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I will never understand why anyone would want to squeeze their bodies into spaces inside the ground in the pitch black darkness.
It's white person stuff bro.
No other group tends to do such activities. It's us. We do these things, for some reason...
@@Philip_Taylorthis is so true lol, I wonder why
@@serenawilliams3475 I have no idea, but it's the same reason why our ancestors went around the entire world making new countries and others did not.
In Africa they have a well-meaning slang term for Caucasians: Mzungu. It means "Endless wanderer" and you will hear it when you're walking around there, thousands of miles from home...still endlessly wandering as your white self.
Not gonna see no black or hispanic person do this... definitely white people😢
@@Philip_Taylor this is interesting, I’m Black British by the way - my roots are Caribbean
I genuinely think phobias are not weaknesses, but rather a system in the brain that keeps you away from dangerous things that may put you in harms ways
For real, take a hint from a trillion years of mammalian genetic memory that's like "bro no"
Well it is a weakness, Bc phobias are exaggerated. Is normal to be scared going in caves, but if watching this video gives you panic attacks, then is a problem. Anxiety is normal to have, but over exaggerating isn’t good.
I believe so ! I know it's saved me more than a few times
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy True. But I'd rather have a panic attack watching this than being completely unafraid and getting myself killed in the future doing something like this. Phobias are excessive, but they're better than dying because you weren't afraid of something that is very clearly dangerous. From that perspective they are not a weakness.
Idk, some people have phobias of wierd items like spoons or mop buckets.
Tragic story. It really is. But listen, guys: once you have a family, it's time to stop the risky stuff.
Right, he had a family to protect and provide for. This was a unnecessary risk
- getting stuck in a hole in the ground or
- being married to the same woman with children for life or
- having a divocrce attroney clean out the fruits of your lifetime worth of hard labor leaving you penniless
these are tough choices to pick from, he made the right decicion for him one imagines......
Family or not the risk vs reward is just not there for this kind of thing imo
@@AsifKhan-hf9zy Does your father complain too about being married to your mom and stuck with children i.e. stuck with yourself? Poor your dad stuck with a child like you
@@jurateb.9794😂
I'm not afraid of death, I'm afraid of such a death.
@@leonskum6864According to his family members, he didn't realize it was the wrong one.
Yea It was not intended@@DetectiveRaven
Who isn't afraid of death? I'd like to see you take a polygraph and say you aren't scared to perish, literally the number 1 thing humans actively avoid above anything else.
I'm afraid of suffering death.😢
Then don’t go caving 😂
it’s just crazy to me to think that a cave labelled as ‘beginner’ would have holes that accessible yet that damning, still unexplored
I don’t think that part of the cave was supposed to be for beginners, I think it was just the Big Slide, that’s why only the brothers went further down, since they thought they had the necessary skills to find the Birth Canal
Right like how tf can it be beginner level if when I take a wrong turn I DIE 💀
They filled it with concrete so no more money spent saving idiots.
Could be intentional
Right I'd hate to see the "Advanced" level caves 😮
The people arguing that it should stay open and it’s their choice to risk their lives seem to be forgetting about the ones who will have to risk their own lives saving them or recovering their bodies.
Exactly!
They are so selfish honestly
That part
So we should close all roller coasters? And close all roads. And no more hiking because you might lost and need rescuing. Maybe we should close all caves. And mountains. No more planes cause they may crash and first responders may die trying to rescuing you. Hmmm no more dryers in homes because they cause thousands of fires a year. Wow your logic sucks. People need the freedom to explore and entertain themselves. Not only that but there are very few deaths like his. He was no longer a skinny kid. He was a 200 lb man who hasn't been in a cave in years and he made mistakes. We all shouldn't suffer because he died. Life is dangerous. We all will die. Even you. We can't just stop doing things because someone might get hurt. First responders KNOW what they do is dangerous. Saving people is a dangerous business. I did it for years and yet I wouldn't want everyone to not have access to caves and mountains and airplanes ect ect just because someone might get stuck and I might die trying to save them. Ffs are you joking?
This comment needs thousands more likes.
I know he's long dead but the fact that he really wanted to get out but he never got to and never will is just so heartbreaking. He's still there, completely alone in that awful tunnel even after 14 years and will be there forever and never will be properly laid to rest. It's just a terrible way to go and I can't imagine how his family is feeling knowing all that. I'd probably never know peace if I was them.
He decided to kill his self... its not heartbreaking... its plain stupid.
Dealing with death is one of the most important life skills you will have to learn on this Earth, once somebody close ceases to exist, you have to give yourself time to grieve , do what is necessary to get it out your system and move on because death is coming for us all .
@@wiLdchiLd2kHe made a mistake, he didn’t willingly kill himself. Sure, caving is a pretty dangerous and stupid hobby, but this was entirely an accident.
I agree with every word you said OP
@wiLdchiLd2k shut up you satanic rat he made a wrong choice and went down the wrong tunnel. You heartless peasant
My dad was one of the lead rescuers on the Utah County Search and Rescue team that responded to Nutty Putty. My dad was one of the last people to talk to John alive. He seemed to come to terms that this was the end, and fell unconscious shortly after. After he became unresponsive the rescue efforts went from astronomically difficult to impossible. The rescuers left the cave after more hours of trying with anything they could, and shared in a prayer with the family. Every year on Thanksgiving weekend you can always catch my dad in some corner of the house by himself thinking about John. Rest in Peace John. It is because of you that my dad and many members of that Utah County team felt inspired to pay many thousands of dollars to go to the most advanced trench, collapsed, and cave rescues courses and schools that exist within the United States, and as a result, dozens of people were saved.
Tf your dad was one of the rescuers?!
Rest in peace John
I'm so proud of your dad, I always pray that he keeps saving many lives with proper safety of his own. He's a real superhero. If possible, tell your dad, someone said out on TH-cam he's the real superhero
Your dad is a true hero!
Yeah your Dad and all the rest of the rescuers were very much to be commended for the effort and risks they took. I think John knew he wasn't gonna make it cuz he was listening to his own body being a medical student.
The way some people were pushing for this cave to not close down when so many incidents had occurred is beyond me
So it wasn't his fault that he deleted himself? It was everybody else's? Smartest man to ever live dies by the hands of others. Tragic.
@@seinfan9 Place shouldnt have been open to the public.
"It is up to us, as Americans, to decide what's best"
@@chillenrulesI think at least they should be mandated to buy insurance if they want to go in. Rescue operations are expensive
Although I hate the idea of being told by others what I can and cannot do, this does not extend to anything with a potential danger. If there's incidents happening with anything or even calls to end your sense of "fun", you should probably heed the warnings. People die all the time and you wouldn't think it will happen to you, but that's exactly why it most likely will.
Being one pull away from surviving must have been devastating when it failed
It would’ve failed on the next pull either way. No way this guy was getting out
@xxx-jw4ur you don't get it.
@@mybossisdrunkwhat don’t I get ? This guy was totally screwed
@@xxx-jw4uri think he’s talking about how the comment wasn’t saying it would work, they were just talking about how it must’ve been distressing to find out you are a pull away from being saved from such a situation, regardless of the reality of it working or not
@@xxx-jw4uridk have some hope maybe? pessimists are the worst people to be around 😭
I had to take a break when watching this. This made me psychically ill.
10/10 video
a recent daily dose comment in the wild with only 14 likes!??!?
What is DDOI doin here? 😮
Nah whatt
I thought you watched only funny stuff for videos lol
found this comment, 21k comments deep, almost as deep as the cave John went through.
I can't even begin to comprehend that someone actually experienced this. Just imagine the glimmer of hope John would have had each time the rescuers devised a new plan to get him out only for said plans to fail one by one and the soul crushing reality sinking in that maybe this will be the end. It's truly horrific. The fact his body will stay down there forever is haunting.
It was John who was trapped, Josh was his brother.
@@bobtnner thanks, corrected
@@RyanSprklSame. It's literally my nightmare
Literally my worst nightmare. You couldn’t have paid me to go down there, how anyone thought this was a fun idea is beyond me.
Beyond u & me..it’s like what about this is fun ? Maybe it’s a adrenaline thing but hell no
Every once in a while I have dreams that I’m stuck like this. It’s one of my biggest fears
Yeah only cave I wanna go in is the one where I can walk in with the big mouth , crawling ? I’m turning around
My thoughts exactly, what the hell is fun about this? I try not to judge people for their different tastes in hobbies but come on.
I didn't think I had any major fears until I watched this video.
Can we applaud the rescue team that put their lives at risk, knowing they had families of their own to save this one man. They are heroes honestly
That lady Susie especially.
Absolutely!
That's their job. They signed up for this.
@@941sotaboy2 that individual CHOSE to go into that cave with no regard for his own safety or even thinking about his family. The rescuers CHOSE to save him because they have a heart. They didn't have to because they knew the risks yet they did. They signed up to jobs to save others lives not risk their own. Have a heart
@@jellybean7993 You can't expect a coward to understand bravery.
Bro, that is absolutely horrifying. That rescue team tried so hard, jeopardizing their lives in the process trying to save his. This is the most scariest thing I've ever heard. And me personally, what's scarier is the fact that till this day right now as we speak, HE'S STILL THERE IN THAT EXACT SPOT.
I hate how a cave associated with such a HORRIFYING death has a silly-ass name like Nutty Putty
Right? Sounds like something from Pee-Wee's Playhouse haha
I feel as though the name only makes it that much more terrifying. Something perceived as so small, childish, unserious being responsible for an extremely cruel and nightmare-inducing death.
It's crazy how differently wired some people are. Can't believe anyone would be okay with wriggling through a tiny passageway where you can't turn around.
And with no real reward on the other end. Like wth why do you go that far? for what
I too am not one for caves. This story hangs onto you.
Yeah, I can’t imagine this being fun. Like how? It’s dark, wet, cold, cramped, uncomfortable, bugs, everywhere, spiders, water dripping on you. Chance of dying is high. The risk reward ratio is 100:0. High risk with absolutely zero reward. Oh I guess they can say to themselves and others “I crawled thru a cave!”
Not everyone has claustrophobia. I love tight spaces and love climbing in caves. Adventuring through the beautiful landscape of a cave that has been built upon by Mother Nature herself. You might not understand but other people have a really love and passion for this. Calling someone an idiot, weird, stupid and etc is just disrespectful. You’re obv ignorant to the fact that people have different hobbies that they enjoy. If you can’t seem to understand this simple concept than you have no matter in discussing this topic.
@@Paulo-ty9lp Literally no one in this comment thread did any sort of name calling you're crying about. Jesus Christ.
Just watching this makes me feel like I'm on the verge of a panic attack, I can't even imagine how hellish experiencing something like this would be.
Yeah I feel like I'm gonna puke
It’s cause of how terrifying the lady’s voice sounds.
I feel ya 100%
@@The0nlyyNo it's (also) the music (it's psychological), the voice is fine! 🤷🏽♂️ this is rather sad obviously, more than anything,especially for the family....
No need to imagine. It was deadly.
The craziest part about caving is that you don’t even have to do it, but here we are
I find it weird that, on multiple occasions, two boys got stuck in the same area where John Edward Jones went and got stuck upside down. What raises my curiosity is why the authorities didn't take preventive measures, such as sealing off that particular tunnel in the cave. Despite being aware of the potential danger and having previously sealed the cave due to safety concerns, they opted to reopen it based on public demand. It seems unusual that they neglected to address the specific hazard posed by that tunnel, why didn't they seal that tunnel of the cave when they knew how dangerous it was and still left it open without any warning note or barrier there. Even if they reopened the cave, they could have at least sealed that specific tunnel. This is such a big mistake and negligence at their end, to be very honest.
I agree. They installed a locked gate at the entrance and only those with a permit for the day could unlock it. Why not also put gates blocking access to unmapped passages. This was preventable.
For every rescue there were probably dozens of near misses that were close to needing rescues. There were extremely dangerous parts of this cave.
They literally tried only to be met with Ana Erica s complaining and saying that it’s “our right” to decide. It had been closed, then reopened due to protests and complaints.
@@jungwonscactus9425OP was talking about closing just that unmapped & dangerous part of the cave inside it, not the ENTIRE cave you anti-freedom freaking idiot. 🤦😑
Probably because cavers don't want to see the cave ruined
One of the saddest parts is that if the pulley system didn’t break at the last minute, he would’ve probably lived. He was so close to living. I can’t imagine what that felt like when he realized he wasn’t getting out
I think the way he was stuck he wouldn’t have been able to get out because of how he was stuck and his legs don’t bend that way.
There’s no scenario he could live. He was dead the moment he stuck
@@jamiecook7926 No, I thought the moment they realized he wouldn't get out was after they had tried multiple attempts and it only buried him further. Like I said, the pulley was starting to work until it broke. It made him fall even deeper into the cave, and at that point it had become impossible.
I agree. I think that must have messed with everyone so much. Getting so close to rescue only to have it fail at the last second... I can't imagine
He was long dead when he stuck and no way he could a stupid mistake on his behalf he was fucked
The fact they almost saved him, had eye contact with him, but then everything just had to get bad, is so sad and frustrating 😔
The eye contact and time to converse is the hardest bit for me
Be secure
@@seadav0183it is, he was so collected with himself even in the most dire of times
I am struggling to picture how they got eye contact if John was upside down. How is that possible?
@@lhoward3730 fr
Imagine having children and a wife and deciding to take such a risk and be adventurous.
Right?! You have a wife and family who love you, need you, and you throw it away for a foolish. arrogant stunt in a cave you have no business being in! Yes, it was a horrible way to die, but it was an unnecessary death altogether.
I dont think this was about having a wife taking a risk thing
It was meant to be a memory for his kid his wife i would say his bad decision and extreme bad luck cost him his life
Being adventurous exploring life is good taking risk is necessary u dont have to be rude about it stop with the blaming the victim
This is ur critical thinking taking over u
@chadharpicenjoyer8591 this was not a necessary risk. He left his pregnant wife and young daughter alone for absolutely no reason. If he'd survived, people would have zero issue calling him a selfish idiot, but seemingly when someone dies that means their actions, no matter how stupid, can't be criticised for fear of being "rude". He was a victim of himself.
This is the first one of your videos I watched, and I instantly wanted to see more of them. I'm a fan of horror, true crime and mysteries and I must say, this is one of the most disturbing stories I've come across. The sheer idea of being trapped like that, upside down and unable to do anything, tons of other people getting themselves in danger to rescue you and non of it working... Even the hope and happy moments ending in disaster... I can't imagine the physical and mental pain he must have felt. And the guilt.... he must have felt so much guilt. I know I would have...
Non of you videos have disappointed but this one still carries the crown for me personally.
The fact that this cave was labeled as a “ beginners cave “ can only make me wonder what a non beginner cave looks like . This man was doomed because of this as well .
Okey all right we heard you. Are you in the well right now
@@ra3i.alalia wat
The spelunker's ranking system needs a bit of reworking, apparently.
Well it was most probably. But if you followed the sotry they did say he went into undiscoverd area because he read the map wrongly. So blaming the idea that this is not a bigginers cave is just stupid. Also he had no experience even tho that was required. I am not saying i dont feel sorry for him, but blaming the title of the cave is just stupid.
@dogs aren't dangerous Or that cave from the movie 'The Descent' which is 2 miles deep and full of savage Troglodytes who will eat you alive.
He literally crawled into his own grave. Got to be the most horrific and tragic story I’ve ever heard.
😎💯🔥 RIP 💚💥🤕👁️
they should drill down to his position and retireve his corpse and give him a proepr burial. his soul is now trapped down their inverted for an eterinity
What a job he must have been.. Smoking hot girlfriend at home you could be home poking from behind instead you crawl into some hole in the fucking ground that goes nowhere but down to a narrow crevice where you then die
@@randomrazr well
In hindsight it's not really anybody else's problem that he went and did that... It's not like he was in a motorcycle accident and killed by a hit and run driver he literally crawled into a sketchy hole in the ground
@@thanosbustedinyourmum i dunno if i would want to be inverted for an eterinity
I’ve heard and read and even seen videos about this story. And every single time, I’m super anxious for every single second. Great video. RIP
This is what i think When I resign from my job at Ships, "Once you have a family , it's time to stop risky stuff. Even while I realize the risks are low, there are still some. Eight years have passed since I left that position. And I'm delighted that I live with my family.
you have a mother and father even before having a family of your own, so there is no justification whatsoever for engaging in such activities.
It's frightening to know he's still down there, although not alive but that image of seeing legs poking out of a hole in mute silence is horrific.
Yes, with his gear still on.
@@justsain3236 the pic isn’t of him
His bones most likely fell down once all the meat on his bones decayed, thus freeing his legs.
how can u declare he is not alive?
@@msdadsfsx are u serious right now bro
Narrator: "This story is not suitable for people with claustrophobia"
Me: "That's okay, I don't have claustrophobia"
Five minutes later...
Me: "I have claustrophobia"
That's exactly how I felt watching it. Just thinking about being stuck between the rock, I could almost feel it and smell it. Horrifying 😭
I don't have claustrophobia either but I get extremely panicked when my arms are pinned/trapped and I can't move them. In fact I could be in some super tight spaces and be fine but if my arms are pinned I would hate it and start to panic alot
Thats excatly how long I mange 5:05 and stop it!
I am claustrophobic, but I watched the entire vid. Of course with alarm bells ringing in my head
@@stonaoI am claustrophobic, but I watched the entire vid. Of course with alarm bells ringing in my head
Love the videos on this channel! They are informative, interesting and tragic. Great job in telling these tragic incidents.
I hope you make more content. Your journalism and storytelling are immaculate!
The fact that his body is still down there, upside down in that dark cave gives me goosebumps!! He’s been down there for 14 years. I’ve heard this story before and I knew he died but I never knew they couldn’t get his body out. This is honestly the very worst way to go, this story gave me chills.
Hes probably not upsode down anymore....once the decay starts, the ones would just fall
@@TragicallyDelicious yea no shit genius
@@jasonloh4135 The original comment said that the body was upside down (he edited it), so shut up thanks.
@@jasonloh4135 you're a f****** dumb ass and you don't know how to read threads
@@tofetta8253 thank you first for being kind and then also for having reading
The fact that his body is still sealed alone down there in that dark tight tunnel that he died in is truly chilling to think of. You couldn’t pay me any amount of money to go there…
Ayy 420 gang I hear u fuck nooo it's wayyy to risky😭😭😭😪
So very sad
Wearing the same clothes too
That is f* creepy, like imagine right now near you, while youre sitting on your phone/laptop, just a thousand miles away, theres the decaying body of john lying there just as you are reading this text, just imagine...
*Josh
amazing job - this is the first horror video to truly give me the chills
I never was a thrill seeker of any kind, so I watch this stuff and experience it vicariously, and with high anxiety, I just can't wrap it around my head why anyone would take these kind of chances. I would be thinking about all the things that could go wrong and I suppose that is a deterrent for me, I live a pretty boring life compared to this. It was like he didn't give it much thought, and literally went head first, he was a little older and gained some pounds and not that familiar with that cave, even if it was a beginners cave.
Same. I just never saw the appeal. The only thing that seems remotely interesting would be climbing Everest, but nah, I'm good, way too old, & tiny.
I explored these caves twice. My initial visit was with 6 friends. I got a little ridiculed for chickening out on a narrow passage and backed out while I still could. The 2nd time, I was the lead with one other friend (1st timer). Again, didn’t try anything too dangerous but I got lost trying to exit because you have to go up, then down, then up again like a horizontal S. So when you are looking for the exit shaft, your flashlight looks like it is hitting 360* or rock wall. It took me two hours of searching foot by foot, little passage by little passage before I found my way out. I swore off the caves forever after that.
Jesuss omg
fucking hell, i cant imagine spending hours in a cave trying to find a way out, id be hyper ventilating.
@@KristianH1986 Let's just say I was not talking like myself once I finally got out, and yes, I had to get my breatihng back to normal. Probably took a good hour to shake it off.
@@CanadianChiGuy23 I’ve never been in a situation like that and I never want to be. Glad you lived to tell the tale.
Thats why tie rope arround your waist while entering somewhere you dont know the way put. You can follow the rope atleast and dont suffocate spending your time in an unknown place 🥺
He left a wife and 2 kids behind… the risk is just not worth the thrill. RIP.
Well he didn’t know the future and cave was considered for beginners. Anything can be dangerous if mistakes are made. It was just too unfortunate for him. Hopefully his family is at peace now.
@@turtleANDhare1 well he’s old enough to know not to risk his life like that. If you don’t know what ur getting into then you shouldn’t be doing it especially if he got a wife and kids
his wife probably remarried so she should be fine
@@turtleANDhare1bruv HE HAD A WIFE AND KIDS AT HOME, so why the fuck is he getting into ANY CAVE at all "on a dare"? Similarly to, I don't know... not smoking crack just once "because a friend dared me to", seems like common sense doesnt it? was he like 12 or 26?
I do believe people should be able to do whatever they want if they're not harming anyone but themselves (which isn't really true as he also destroyed lives of his family and friends for a shitty thrill), but I think that every goddamn cave like this, BEGINNER OR NOT, should have a sign that states "no help WHATSOEVER will be offered to anyone under any circumstances beyond the entrance of this cave", and not a single quid should be spent on helping these people, let alone risk other people's lives to do so. If you want to squeeze between rocks for fun then go ahead, but to waste money and risk rescuers safety to rescue them over and over again...
@@brentwunderlich4634 what does being old enough have to do with this situation? There are plenty of old professional cavers who would not have made this mistake. He just didnt do his research on the cave properly and made the wrong turn. Has nothing to do with risking your life. Risk is only involved in the event where information is not available and you're acting on chance, this was pure negligence.
I feel like its extremely selfish for the cavers to fight to keep the cave open. They know how dangerous it is. Theyre basically saying that they want to open a possibility for someone elses death so that they can indulge in their hobby. There was obviously an extreme liability beforehand and everyone knew it. Amazing video. You guys always do such a great job and im always impressed by the quality!
Exhibit 182892 of why I am not into caving or cave diving 😭 I'm working towards volunteer SAR with my canine as well as eventually W-EMT myself and mounted tracking with a sure-footed mule. I can't do direct recovery work myself, but it's such important work. Rescue gear failing is absolutely a worst nightmare on top of an already horrifically unreal situation. Bless this recovery team. Cave work is so incredibly difficult and delicate, many mountain team workers and wildfire fighters won't touch it.
Rope climbing, horse riding, snorkeling, sure. I RESPECT caves. Just like I respect the ocean and only go on or in it when I'm ready to die (ie rarely). And why I only boulder (and don't free climb or slackline). I just binged all your videos and realized, voluntarily putting oneself out of satellite device reach is wild. Like of all the things you've covered, nearly all except the caving and cave diving (or multiple layers of steel) could've been aided with satellite communication devices. I've been seeing people entertain solo phone free camping trips and I always rail on taking a sat device if absolutely nothing else.
Imagine having to live the rest of your life as the brother and two friends who challenged him to do this. The survivors guilt of letting him go first, and no one being smart enough to say let’s turn back.
yeah fr :/ it’s unfortunate too because he THOUGHT he was going to a different section of the cave; they all did. so his hope with sucking in his chest was that he would be able to reach the small room so he could turn back around. he didn’t know that he was in an entirely different area of the cave, and that there was no small room.
Stfu
But he did make his own decision. Knowing he had a wife and children home as well.
He knew what he was getting in to. It was a choice he made and a dumb one. No one should feel guilt because an adult made a decision.
@@orangejjay Absolutely, but survivor's guilt is not exactly an entirely rational emotion. It's very difficult to logic your way out of something like that when you're the one who's experiencing it.
The idea he is unknowingly squeezing down a crevice with nowhere to turn around. Then having that sinking feeling of knowing what he’s done. It gives me chills.
It must've been the most gut wrenching feeling knowing you'd be stuck to your death
it gives me giggles
talk about doing dumb shit. Climbing in your own grave? What was he thinking
I have led a decent life of adventure, but even in my teens and early 20 s I would never do this kind of cave exploring....I get it being the first person ever to go into a tight chamber...but no way..
Don’t we all? You just described life itself. Remember the path you choose is extremely hard to come back from and you likely never will. Its a slippery slope
same bro same. oh man im sweatin
A beautiful wife..a young daughter and a child on the way....my God why would you do that.
I can't imagine how terrifying that was for him. Absolutely awful and beyond heartbreaking.
The fact that people still wanted the cave to be open even after a man died in one of the most horrific ways possible is unbelievable
and it would've been catastrophically stupid of authorities to keep it open. People would've absolutely gotten stuck trying to find his body
@@cassiapeian Not to mention the smell of his decaying body
@@grasshoper yeah it's not a cave anymore, it's a grave.
Well,,,, the dangerous part is clogged up so no one going that bit again, so its safe for the others right?
Joke, sorry, saw the comment and thought of it and had to XD
But what about muh freedom!? Would somebody think about the children! Where would my child crawl to their death in a tight cave now
I think the problem really started when they labelled it a “beginners cave”. It might have fooled people who weren’t educated or experienced enough yet.
exactly, nutty putty beginner cave? Surely I could handle that. This shit is like a double black diamond on the alps calling itself a bunny slope in new Hampshire !!!!!
A beginners cave = a cave you can walk in and out of without bending over.
@@mikeystrikes7203 yeah that's dope but this buddy fucking died in this 'beginners' point so shove your devils advocate position up ya fucking arse
No really… i think of a beginners cave the way i think of a hill as a beginners hike. You shouldn’t need too much gear or experience.
John wasn't even a Beginner really...
It's already hard enough to understand that a person would ever slip-past a passage he doesn't fit in to end in an unknown place. But if you add the fact that he had a family to provide for... bro, like, for real?
I've just watched all your videos, but I had to stop this one. Your warning for claustrophobic people was wisely given and I should have listened! Your videos and narration are great!
No decent person deserves to go like this. Yeah, it was a stupid mistake. I agree with all the comments saying it was a dumb risk. But I've made plenty of mistakes that could've killed me. I think everyone has. And to act superior because you were lucky and he wasn't is crap. I feel bad for him and his family.
very well said
This! He was a bloody medical student if anybody is allowed to make mistakes and come out of them unscathed it was this guy!
It's nice to know some people have empathy and understanding like you obviously do. Its so easy to forget our mistakes and attack others for theirs but we're all human. I definitely agree with you.
based take
Saying I never did anything as moronically reckless as this doesn't make me superior, it's just a fact.
this is quite possibly one of the most horrifying things i’ve ever heard of happening to someone
You obviously haven't seen or tasted my wife's cooking.
my thoughts exactly oh my god
ya this gave me intense anxiety, just horrible i cannot imagine
It’s the worse nightmare possibly imaginable
@@Kfjdnej ur not searching up a chimpanzee eat Someone alive I heard of it but no way I would watch that
Just thinking about being stuck like this makes me feel panicky. I cannot even imagine how terrified he was.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
exactly
The fact that he was so kind to the first rescuer who arrived was so heart warming for some reason, the other rescuers too
He was kind and hopefully person in till the end may GOD give him peace
@@velinivanov607what god? The one with elephant head?
@nom3nnescio the one that let him die.
@@hokagab well it was his plan, so everything went as it was supposed to go, god plans everything right?
@velinivanov607 Yeah the God that watched as he suffered for hours and died and left his wife and child behind. What a nice God.
You can tell when his wife showed up that there was not a single thought in her head that this could lead to his death or she wouldn't have brought her daughter along.
It was never a place for a young child, whatever the outcome.
@@molybdomancer195the cave was a totally fine place for children as it was marketed as, it was said to be a beginner cave, kids went on field trips there
@@molybdomancer195I don't agree! It's actually about her father! 🙄
@@goawayimhigh I mean outside during the rescue. That’s a traumatic place and also lots of people rushing around, equipment etc
@@alessiocece2098 the kid was very young. Far better to be kept away from the heightened emotion.
I watched this story yesterday, and woke up today with the drawing of him upside down in the tunnel in my mind, and couldn't help imagining what he had felt, with his arms unable to move, his position, and the dread realizing there was nothing he could do to get out of this pit.... truly horrifying story. It is haunting really! I don't think I've seen something so horrible.
I'm not claustrophobic, but I feel like I am thinking about this!
The price of being at the top of the food chain. With no natural predators, some people feel like they have to create their own danger.
Once you are married and have a family, there must be a limit to the risk you would take. Feeding your adrenaline or 'pushing yourself' against nature to prove something will not replace a husband or father if it goes wrong. Nature does not care about your background, personality or family. There must be a balance at some point so you can enjoy what you do without having to pay the ultimate price. Very sad for everyone involved.
Good comment
Agreed
At some point I’m going sky diving. My kids can join me if they want. I take a bigger risk of dying the second I sit behind the steering wheel of a car.
@@bootsandcats1501 no you don't. This is a common stupid mistake.. Cars are billions, and every day millions are on the streets. So it is logical to have accidents, most are not deadly. If you have an accident on the air the propability of you dying is 100 percent. To compare driving with sky diving you must have the same amount of people sky diving each day. The issue is that there is no room for mistakes so you do special training. Also driving is an essential need, not a hobby
@@elg7365 Yes, I do. Look at the statistics.
The rescue team were frankly the bravest individuals I’ve ever heard of. Cannot even imagine attempting to ‘work’ using powertools in such an inhospitable cramped place
Thank God the rescuer who was knocked unconscious trying to save John didn't die. Same goes for the EMT who went in to check his pulse as well as his own brother who tried to save him.
Have you seen the rescue about the Thailand cave, with 12 children and 1 adult were trapped for 17 days. The rescue team had to dive for 2 and a half hours to get to them; then they had to sedate the children to dive them back! The rescue team was literally god sent
@@keelyluder6387 Sadly one of the rescuer/diver died.
I just can't understand that someone can be so passionate about getting into small caves... there are tons of different ways to get your adrenalin pumped (safer ways)...
@@Stefanie2530 ye honestly I think that’s what he’s thinking in heaven that thank god he was the only one and not his brother
Every single person who tried to rescue him and later recover him, are heroes.
He was never recovered
@@b333333fyeah, but they tried
Lol k dumbass
He remains in the cave :(
At some point as he was crawling through the narrow passage, John must have realized he would have extreme difficulty fitting through the space if he continued. He then must have made the decision to keep going rather than back out. I wonder if his competitiveness kicked in at that point and he was determined to "beat" the cave? You have to be very confident and sure of yourself to be in medical school and these traits, which would help him in his studies, may have led to his death.
I heard he was absolutely sure this was the birth canal in which there is a very tight squeeze to get in but eventually it opens up but he had taken the wrong turn earlier where he was to turn right but turned left instead and eventually what he thought to be the birth canal ended up being a dead end.. it's sad but God gave us intellect and the ability to make choices we have to be wise and know our limits sometimes never the less what's done is done nothing can be changed..
@@hariss8876 best they label those caves with proper signage
I imagine he assumed it would be easier to keep going and that he just had to make it pass one one difficult part, not realizing he was just making it worse instead of better.
People arguing against its closure don't seem to understand that if someone gets stuck, emergency personnel must now risk their lives to save that individual.
They don't care. It's all about them. "Me, me, me."
@john doe Then when someone else goes in the cave then what? Theyll get stuck because theres a dead body with flies and maggots blocking their way. Now you have 2 dead. Use your brain.
@john doe I don’t see how that would be in the interest of the city to leave a death trap open to the public and all it takes is a waiver to get in. Liability issues aside, public safety is of greater importance to the city im sure.
@john doe Oh sure. So when people get stuck, everyone else just ignore the screams and pleading, enjoy your cave. Don't mind that stench of decay. Mind the bones.
First responders will still be called, waiver or not.
@john doe Welcome to enjoying a shared society. If you're doing something that puts our shared resources, like first responders, at risk, then I get a say too.
Damn he was a cardiologist as well so he knew exactly what was going on in his body whilst being upside-down that's tough man rip 🙏
No, he was a med student, ie d r uug dealer in training
A what??? What are you saying??/ What in the ever loving FUCK?@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 “grr I believe in everything Facebook tells me agergegrgregr😈”
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969lol
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969lay off the fox news sweetheart
I live in Utah and my Dad has told me about times he went to the caves on dates and other events. He remembers the accident and is just grateful it was never him or someone he knew.
They really gotta give this cave a new name. I can’t take the incident seriously calling it nutty putty 💀
I was expecting him to pass away anyway, but the fact his body still remains in the cave to this day stuck in the same place? God, I genuinely feel sick. I know the rescuers couldn’t recover his body at all, but that is somehow the most unsettling thing about this.
Yeah thats insane... they have to wait untill only his bones are left...
A monument to the universe for the eternal stupidity of some humans.
@@kevintjuhh070 this is happened back in 2009. At this point his body would be only bones. But they are not removing him. The filled and sealed the whole cave entrance with concrete. His bones will forever be in that cave
@Mike Hunt Is Moist very true but there is also a plaque on the entrance for him symbolizing it’s a grave sight. I don’t think they would dig that up as long as the plaque is on it
It isnt uncommon actually. Mt everest has many bodies.
This literally scares the crap out of me watching people do this. Being trapped in a hole in the ground is a huge fear of mine.
Not sure if you knew, we all gonna end up there some day
@@kingpremo2341 But not Alive
I can absolutely relate to this.
I am not claustrophobic, but seeing this makes me kinda shutter.
i bet his peers with him will now learn their lesson and think a thousand times first before doing a risky extreme adventure.🙃🙃
"huge fear of MINE" I see what you did there.
Man, bless this guy's soul and his family, he kinda did ask for the Darwin award. Going in there at 830 at night, 700 feet below ground? How awful the panic of being trapped inverted and feeling the life draining from you, must have been. Rest easy.
This sent unimaginable amount of chills down my spine. Humans, I will never understand despite being a human myself for almost three decades.
There are three areas on Earth where recovering the remains of people who have died is simply too dangerous to attempt: The tops of tall mountains, inside of underwater caves, and inside of above-water caves. There are still explorers who died on Mount Everest in a seated position inside of an ice cave that mountaineers have to pass every time they climb, a reminder that, if you die up there, no one is coming to claim your body. I saw a video about a diver who could not be recovered after he got lost exploring an undersea cave. That cave is now his tomb. The Nutty Putty caves are now this man's tomb as well. Know your limits as a human, and realize that the Earth does not care if you suffocate, drown or freeze to death trying to explore parts of it.
also the ocean
true
💯
Doesn't really matter anyways, you're dead.
Never thought I see such a well written comment with a fluttershy profile pic
The horrifying fact is that they pulled him out and even saw his face full of hope...But for the last time.He behaved well and kept calm. Rest in peace
its really sad
Exactly in his last moment's he stayed strong rest in peace
I used to think having a fear of heights and being severely claustrophobic was a curse but it’s really a blessing and I am totally content not engaging in risky or dangerous activities.
Im not even sure he was ever going to be removed from that spot regardless of any plan. He truly went past the point of never returning once he went into that part of the cave. Its so unsettling in so many ways.... before he went in that region, was there no voice or gut instinct saying NO, NOT THIS WAY!? 😢 We'll never know....but to be trapped upside down in such a confined space....my goodness....pure horror.
I cant tell if emotionally i feel sick, sad, grateful its not me, angry at him for such a lethal lack of instinct, or all of it.....
He made fatal errors. It would be sufficient if he followed a safety rule of going into an unfamiliar tunnel legs first.
If he had stopped at the cockscrew section of the passage, he might have had a chance. He realized that he couldn't turn around, he saw that he wasn't fitting in anymore, yet he pressed on when he should've stopped, had his brother call for help and waited there for help to arrive. At the very least he wouldn't have been stuck upside down with the blood rushing to his torso and head, his legs numb and his arms pinned, unable to move or to assist in his own rescue in any way. Once he went head down into the hole he was pretty much doomed.
He would've had an even better chance of survival if he hadn't gone down there at all in the first place.
No horror game/movie/novel will ever scare me as much as this story. Even when it randomly comes in my head I get chills.
. Oh my god dude you're scaring the s*** out of me I'm only 2 minutes in
You’re so right, horror movies have nothing on this and I’m a gory guru! 😮
+Alice Cera- Agreed.
It's disturbing and the narrators voice and story telling really heightens the horror as the documentry progresses. Poor John, RIP.
I have led a decent life of adventure, but even in my teens and early 20 s I would never do this kind of cave exploring....I get it being the first person ever to go into a tight chamber...but no way..
I’ve never been claustrophobic but this video makes me feel it. I can feel it in my chest and stomach. This has got to be the worst way to die. I can’t imagine the hell this must have been.
I'm claustrophobic.... I can't watch it. I can't handle enclosed spaces, I get claustrophobic if I'm in the shower too long
Same, 1000%. I felt tingly just imaging this. It’s the definition of worst case scenario in my opinion.
@@betsylaughlin8652 oh no it could get worse. Water could be slowly filling the cave.
@@Simple5.0 Absolute nightmare !
I'm opposite of claustrophobic, i love small spaces where I can squeeze in, but I don't know how crawling in a cave is thrilling, I'd be more scared about random bugs or snakes/bats
I work in crawlspace sometimes and that can be very uncomfortable and claustrophobic so this is absolutely terrifying.
My body is shaken by this!!! Prayers for all his family and him.
I’ve been in the Nutty Putty cave several times before it was closed due to this incident. I even made my way through the birth canal section but the area John attempted to go through is unfathomable. I can tell you having spent time in that cave that it’s disgusting, it’s unbearably hot, zero breeze and just stagnant bad smelling air and everywhere in the cave is kind of slimy. Getting stuck and passing the way he did is absolutely the worst nightmare I could imagine. Sad story for sure.
What I don't understand is why is this fun? Squeezing through tight claustrophobic spaces just sounds like a bad way to spend a day.
@@arabianwarrior7177 ikr i can never understand how some people enjoy that .
@@KhaoSSektoR yeah... i think his body still remains there to this day...
@@KhaoSSektoR no, his body is still there. Cave has been sealed off with concrete to prevent anymore cave divers inside. The cave is now his tomb
@@arabianwarrior7177 flirting with death makes you closer to the moment of now. When coming out of the dark side you see life in a different perspective. Contrasts.
I'm impressed with how calm John was. Fair play to the rescue team. They never gave up on him and his wife
how are you impressed dude he had no choice when you upside down blood rushing to your head, you lost a lot of consciousness and how can you not stay calm lol
@@cambotech5556 I meant at the start when he realised mate. That's all. It's still terrifying but insane
Well he was smart enough to know freaking out would make his situation worse, he could make him self more stuck or use up the limited oxygen he might have
@@nategreatgames78 my sentiments exactly
I would’ve freaked out in the first 3 seconds but I also keep my goofy ass here on the surface
This is not meant to be an insult, but rather an observation of the culture. The objection at 2:10 "so we as American can decide for ourselves what is best" is such an American thing to say.
The videos alone tickle something in my stomach that causes a sense of the most primal fear I think I have ever felt… For no money, no promise of all my dearest fulfilled, I would EVER go somewhere in a cave like that ever. This literally is digging yourself your own grave… This is such a tragedy. I hope he rests in piece and this devastating tragedy is a single for people not recreate getting themselves in such situations.
The fact that his wife talking to him while he already was unconscious, saying "I know you've been pushing so hard, for so long. Why don't you rest for a minute? Take a break. And then, push it again."
Like damn...that's true love. She knew, deep inside, that she probably would never see him again. But she was with him to the end. Cheer him up, motivate to not give up. She said "I love you" without saying it. That's hard, man...
I hope they actually said I love you to each other. Then on the other hand, it’s likely they didn’t because it could mean that one of them has become hopeless :(
The only thing that is positive about this is the fact he was able to talk to his wife at all, whilst dying. Holy shit, this story is so sad
@@jimin6813 the last descent if can handle it, watch it.
She knew his ass was grass man
Some doctors say claustrophobia is a condition, I say its a survival instinct the human body has!!
Yeah honestly it’s just common sense. Although I think claustrophobia is more referring to those scared of generally small rooms or spaces like elevators, as well as tiny death caves.
@@moseygosey exactly!! I don't get what person in their right mind would want to do this crap?? I could understand if they go in their and find diamonds or gold but just to squeeze through tight gaps?? Lol 😆. It's crazy. There is any amount of money that could get me to do this shit. I would die of a panic attack as soon as I go in. Lol 😆
Phobias are when the fear isn't logical right?
@@nitakalialaha9471 yeah but I feel claustrophobia to some extent can be illogical but being scared of tiny caves like this is quite logical if you think about it- but then again I might be a little weird to be scared of elevators -a claustrophobic person
All I know is I don’t see any fun in crawling around in a tight space and I know if I have to wiggle or anything to get further I’m not ducking with it.
All I know is that there are a lot of stories about these cavers who got themselves in trouble...., TH-cam is full of their stories, and what is worst is they put the lives of the people with them and also the people who come to rescue them at risk also. I cannot believe that girl went after him, but given that she was probably smaller than him, she was able to wriggle in and out, but she took a huge risk.
It’s truly tragic story my heart will always be with the families. Every time I hear the story my heart breaks because they tried as hard as they could. Rest In Peace John
I truly believe one of the reasons why he stayed alive as long as he did is because of the faith of finally being rescued
And he died anyways. In a cave. Trapped. And they couldn't even recover his body.
Maybe he didn't pray hard enough
@@cheshireket3132 God was taking a nap, didn't hear his prayer.
God was like “fuck around and find out”, and he did find out.
i dont understand this meanness in the comments. ok? you dont believe? cool, it doesnt change the fact that either way simple faith is sometimes enough for humans to overcome limits and survive weirdly long
@@alexzakalex3540simple pray don’t do nothing because god unfortunately doesn’t exist ,( this is my vision, I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think I am)
I'm definitely going to have nightmares tonight. Its crazy to think as a 12 year old, I had explored the EXACT same cave and even have pictures smiling, having a good time and never knowing exactly why my dad told us we couldn't go to the Nutty Putty anymore.
Omg..dont ever go to caves again please
Sounds about white honestly..always wanting to explore these dangerous places, even bringing along their kids. No surprise there..
Are you saying truth oh my god i am in hysterics
and why you didn't help John?
@@adrianpaulo7302 nobody can go anymore, it’s blocked off .. his body is still in there
The amount of claustrophobia I experienced just watching this video under open sky is immeasurable. I can't even imagine or quantify how much he had gone through all those hours and each hour feeling like a millennium with all that death-level pain and one-by-one failing of internal systems in the body with all that accumulation of fluids and so on. I pray to God to never repeat this to any other human in future again.
This is basically suicide mission.
Yeah man down ..and down ...and down.... some more aww fuck it just leave him there
If this is a beginner's cave then I dread to think what a high level expert cave would be.
The cave in The Descent.
A high level cave would be similar but with water. If you're not careful. You can literally drown this way instead, but at least it's quicker
Yes, that is very strange that it is considered "beginner". I guess it's only beginner if you go in the right direction, but the wrong direction clearly isn't marked??
A medium cave would have spider's and a hard cave would have Lions and in extreme difficulty it would have Aliens
@@mazzy2121 there’s a map and people typically also realize when they can’t fit in a cave.
My husband is a Swiss spelunker. He took me in a cave as kind of a first date. NEVER again and he hasn't been in 6 years. I keep him well fed and 20 pounds heavier so he will never go into go a cave now!
😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Those 20 pounds will keep him out of more than just caves 😂😂😂😂😂😂
thats kinda fucked up..
@@Dewey_Boondye420 yep but true hey
@@Dewey_Boondye420 I think spelunking in general is fucked up
Wild how reckless people are with their mortality
The little things that could have saved him haunt me the most. If he just went in feet first, he could've probably gotten out by himself or with the help of his brother. Also if the rope hadn't snapped, maybe he would have been out. So sad. But on the other hand, he should've have known better. You don't risk your life when you have a family, must have been traumatizing for them to know in what a horrible way he passed away.
Such a haunting story. Seeing the dangerous positions rescuers had to get into trying to rescue him was equally as terrifying. They really did jeopardize their lives trying to save him.
yeah dear, it’s exact opposite of cuddling with you
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@@alcipta4920 ???
@@alcipta4920 tf
@@alcipta4920 wierd guy
The worst part of him is he's a medical student and he knows what happened to him while stuck in a cave
Fuck.....
i was just gonna say that. He as a medical student would have known exactly what was going on inside his body as it happened, which just would have made this even more horrifying of an experience than it was.
@@mstripling86 yeah this is exactly what i think
Noooooo
To much blood went in the brain and legs went to sleep because no blood
Nobody forced the gentleman into the cave. He could have spent the time volunteering for charities, or studying for a degree, or doing some other things that are actually helping himself and the world. Instead he decided to risk his life for nothing but a little thrill. He made that choice; he set on that course - in the end he suffered the consequence. There is nothing good or bad about the whole situation - everyone reaps what he sows. That's life.
This is so chilling! I don’t know why but his body staying in there is just so creepy😫😫
My father was a High Angle/Confined space rescuer for 20 years and had to rescue people in these types of situations. I asked what went wrong with the rescue on this one? How come they couldn't get him out? He said there was many reason why it all went wrong, the local rescue team that arrived to help was to stubborn to realize they didnt know how to get him out and refused to call for outside help, They werent trained properly on these types of rescues, but his biggest answer was they were trying to do everything they can to not hurt him. And when I asked wouldnt you not want to hurt him either and he said, at first yes you do what you can but if all attempts fail then just rip out and worry about injuries later because at least he wont be in the hole anymore. He always told me remember little Jessica stuck in the well, they tried to pull her out safely but when they couldnt do that a pracademic just grabbed her leg and pulled her and yes he broker her leg when he did that but she is alive today.
Wow
No ropes no harness no gases detetector...we made speleogy in saint leu caves in france wich is v1 storage. sometimes we use a car to lift heavy metal piece with pulley always double and sometimes triple it ...limestone is the worst material i works....
Absolutely. The Tham Luang rescue of the Thailand soccer team children, decided to anaesthetize the children so they would not struggle while being transported out, because it was so dangerous, they could have killed rescuers and doomed the other children. Anaesthesia can be dangerous even in a hospital. Unfortunately, I am certain John Jones family would have sued if he had died in such an attempt.
I appreciate your comment as it includes considerations of the awful choices that sometimes are the best hope. I agree and am silenced and alone with my own thoughts about the ethical and emotional issues. Its a terrifying and sad but important topic and I value reading your contribution....However... please look again at the story you mentioned re baby Jessica. For I don't think there is much truth or value to the story we all heard of that 'rescue'. I'm not doubting yourself...but not all story tellers are truthful. Ot would be lovley if this channel perhaps did some research on the story. X
In this case they couldn’t even pull his corpse out. So there was no chance to pull him out at all, not because they didn’t want to hurt him
I simply cannot fathom even why people enter places like this. What a horrific way to die. This gives me such chills and makes me feel so sick..😢
@Ricky Smith it’s called empathy
Caving’s pretty fun
@@riqi2 it was at this moment Ricky realized he might be a sociopath
@Ricky Smith it's called empathy you dumb fucking oaf.
Watching the images of people on those super narrow passages makes me feel quite panicked and uneasy, I’m not even claustrophobic but damn seeing them alone bothers me so much.
Theres no actual way on earth I would willingly climb in caves, this is terrifying.
Jesus. Every time I hear about the Nutty Putty caves, it's even more terrifying than I remember.