Stupid how Catherine and Culpeper behaved knowing how terrible and unpredictable Henry could be. Had they simply waited they could have been together when Henry died.
@Paul Trevor Bale imagine if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were never executed and they got their marriage annulled and then imagine if they were both still alive during Mary’s reign
Well. He did sleep with his wife. Even if you discount the confession under torture there was other evidence among them a letter written by Catherine to Thomas C which was quite incriminating. So it is only bad to be a friend of Henry if you betray him... From what I have gleaned Henry was genuinely fond of Culpepper.
Poor Catherine. She was brought up so horribly. I've often wondered why her siblings had so much better a deal in life and why her sister never took her in instead of leaving her with her aunt, where she was prey for people like Durrhan
Lmao When you do a tour of parliament and you hit the Tudor room the historians describe Henry as this most wonderful and noble and flawless king. When you study him for yourself words cannot describe how cold blooded and ruthless he was.
@@linas1319 Unless the executioner can chop it in less then .100 milliseconds which is the amount of time it takes for the brain to process pain and you are still conscious for a couple of seconds after
I know we hear a lot of weird and (sometimes not so) wonderful names given to kids these days here in The UK but I have come to the conclusion that during Tudor times every 3rd baby boy was Christened Thomas! (Nowt wrong with Thomas BTW, that's what we named our son).
Wait...so Culpepper's parents gave two of their children the exact same name? I know the infant mortality rate was pretty high in the Tudor period but at least wait for the first kid to die before giving his name to a different kid.
Henry had a.lot of envy and regretted killing Anne Boleyn. I mean its the same logic my ex uses. . You regret tossing away the one who truly loved you and so you make up for it by rampantly engaging in multiple silly relationships trying to prove a point. ..and all that happened was he got more and more miserable cause that guilt will eat you alive.
Culpepper was beheaded, because he pleaded for mercy, to avoid being hung, drawn, and quartered, and was granted that by Henry The 8th. Francis Dereham on the other hand, was not so " fortunate ", since he was hung, drawn, and quartered. Beheading.......yes very brutal, but over pretty fast. Hung, drawn, and quartered is a slow very painful death...........it`s so much worse than being beheaded.......🤔
Must be a dope to have seen all the people getting executed and than sleep with the Kings wife. I wonder if it's true or an excuse for Henry to get rid of another wife and friend.
I remember when I was eleven years old, the family saw the Anne Bolelyn documentary, and haha, when I acted up, my oldest sister would say Anne Bolelyns floating head is going to stare you down in the middle of the night. Slept with the light on forever, but I have survived so much those thoughts now turn to my kitties health quickly, however if that was real...lets change the subject.
Do we actually know that they indeed sleep together? I mean, they were so evil back then. Katherine wasn't well educated, yet that letter she wrote was very well written 🤔
It was kind of strange that Culpeper confessed that he commited his affair with Catherine, but in the 2010 Tudors season 4, Joan Bulmer said to Catherine that Culpeper would happily die for her, so this shows that Culpeper wanted to confess the affair in order for him to die, and he did this for Catherine as what Joan soad to her in which she said 'he would Happily die for you' so this was very sweet of Culpeper doing that for Catherine, and due to her family wanting to save their own skin instead of helping Catherine, she should in favt of said to the crowd 'I die a queen, bit I would rather die the wife of Culpeper' and in the letter with her saying that yours as long as life endurs, it shows that she wanted to be with him forever, RIP. Thomas Culpeper and Catheirne Howard (Culpeper).
Awe, Henry was kind indeed, so kind, he only chopped his friend's head off!. Rather than hang draw and quarter? He lost his head, pity it wasn't the other way around. With all that went off in those dark scandalous, and cruel times, not quite Eastenders on TV, but still depressing, with some dodgy characters, and falling out all the time. I wonder what Henery and Culpepper talked about for hours?. Talk about stabbing friends in the back, Hendry was a professional, at it and so evil. So glad I didn't live in those times, but it's sure getting that way now. Thank you for uploading, as always, excellent.
She was not brought up to be a queen. The woman who was her housemother, pretty much ran the place like a brothel. I'm not saying she was innocent, but she was very ignorant and behaved just as she had been raised.
what was brutal abot his execution, you even admit he got the normal beheading sentence, please give your viewers some credit for their intelligence! using grossly inflated headlines to get people to subscribe stinks of desperation...
I think he regretted everything he did but instead of owning up to it he doubles down on a faulty conceit thinking the next tines the charm. Cause see he should be waited til Catherine died naturally a d then married again. He deeply regretted that too. But just double down.on that mistake and all that he got was a pile of heads and a festering leg.
Henry the 8 should given both Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard a divorce I bet both would have still been alive when Henry the 8 dies lmaoo imagine their reaction hearing their x husband death
It’s interesting that while all this intrigue and bloodshed was going on in the royal court, someone was building our house in Suffolk, probably without any knowledge of what ‘Enery the Eighth’ was up to.
@@mattrogers1946 Was he tortured? People being tortured will say anything to make the pain stop. An excellent book on Katherine Howard is Gareth Russell's "Young and Damned and Fair: The Life of Catherine Howard, Fifth Wife of King Henry VIII."
@@BTScriviner Was she tortured? No... There were witnesses, the evidence was pretty damning, far more so than the trumped up charges that doomed Anne Boleyn.
@@josephdowling3745 Catherine Howard wasn't tortured, it wasn't necessarily. She was caught with her hand in the cookie jar, or rather Culpepper was. 😉
I wonder if King Henry VIII and Culpepper were more than just friends. The talk about how the king adored him has me thinking that there may have been more to the story. Culpepper was said to be a very handsome young man. Is there anything more to my hypothesis?
I read a book that stated...in the environment she grew up in..she had a pebble put in her uterus. The Muslims that were in Spain until Catherine of aragon mother defeated were way advanced in medicine. The idea made its way to Europe
I read a book about her by the historian alison weir I have a different opinion I think she was used by men this Catherine Howard and just didn't know how to say no
Catherine and Lady Rochford got only beheading but did the same crime as the two men, who got the whole nine yards including torture and drawing and quarter. English law LOVED giving the men the worst possible sentences.
Are you saying those darn Catholics cooked up the whole thing and that in reality was just a big huggable teddy bear, with bloody ass fangs and a homicidal maniac to boot?
Certaily there is a lot of conmotion in the court of HENRY . His best friend cheated him with his wife the cut and put to death. Unfortunately due to your heavy accent i. Lumd not understand things. Sorry i have to give you a thumb down
Stupid how Catherine and Culpeper behaved knowing how terrible and unpredictable Henry could be. Had they simply waited they could have been together when Henry died.
@Paul Trevor Bale imagine if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were never executed and they got their marriage annulled and then imagine if they were both still alive during Mary’s reign
Catherine, was a young woman, so her, naivety was an excuse, I think she was just an unfortunate victim, but Culpeper should have known better.
Hormones can be inpatient 😂
It really was stupid, they had to know how horrible Henry can be. Chopping off heads.
@@Monkey114 yeah it is not really Cathrine Howard or Anne Boleyns fault wish he saw that instead of having them killed
People sometimes forget Catherine was just a kid by todays standards and these guys all seem to have taken advantage of her, she had a short sad life.
Past puberty is not a kid....your a teenager ..youngish adult in those days & most cultures even till today.
@@quiricomazarin476 Well yeah but the first guy was having his way with her when she was only around 13.
@@michaelreid194 Well sadly people sin....they should know better.
Henry the bastards was worse than terrorist
@@quiricomazarin476 Bozo, if you're so religious, what did Christ say about judging people?
I wonder how history would have been if his brother Arthur had lived and he was never king ?
The six wives probably wouldn’t exist because Aragon wasn’t remarried
It's bad to be an enemy of Henry. It's worse to be a friend of Henry.
So true.
Well. He did sleep with his wife. Even if you discount the confession under torture there was other evidence among them a letter written by Catherine to Thomas C which was quite incriminating. So it is only bad to be a friend of Henry if you betray him... From what I have gleaned Henry was genuinely fond of Culpepper.
Poor Catherine. She was brought up so horribly. I've often wondered why her siblings had so much better a deal in life and why her sister never took her in instead of leaving her with her aunt, where she was prey for people like Durrhan
Lmao When you do a tour of parliament and you hit the Tudor room the historians describe Henry as this most wonderful and noble and flawless king. When you study him for yourself words cannot describe how cold blooded and ruthless he was.
He was a swine!😱
this country is full of boot lickers
Henry died by rotting from the inside. Karma
@@lever0811 Yes like many enemies of God like the eastern Roman sub Emperor & others.
In all fairness , many of men have come to ruin by allowing his sex drive to overcome his better judgement.
Yet the king himself committed adultery with his many mistresses.
"Yours, as long as life endures". I love interesting ways to end letters like that
Culpeper had to be totally obsessed with Katherine to dare to sleep with her. He lost his head in more ways than one
It was dangerous to be enemy of King Henry, but I will say that it did take a lot of nerve and guts to sleep his queen.
Yep.
It seemed dangerous to be a friend of Henry's too
Almost like Jozef Stalin in 20th century. 😬😬😬
seems like the dumbest thing ever
Francis Dereham got it far worse
It’s almost as if it’s a bad thing to lose the favor of a Tudor!
In the show The Tudors he is beheaded with an ax with the use of no block and it was taking clean off with one blow that takes Talent
not really !
@@linas1319 You do feel pain when beheaded no matter how quick the blow is.
@@linas1319 Unless the executioner can chop it in less then .100 milliseconds which is the amount of time it takes for the brain to process pain and you are still conscious for a couple of seconds after
@@wopinglau8689 This is why the guillotine was considered such a humane improvement when it was invented in the 1790s.
I know we hear a lot of weird and (sometimes not so) wonderful names given to kids these days here in The UK but I have come to the conclusion that during Tudor times every 3rd baby boy was Christened Thomas! (Nowt wrong with Thomas BTW, that's what we named our son).
😂 😂 I noticed that Joseph was not even on the list 😂 😂
3 Catherines, 2 Annes, one Jane. Point taken.
No one was safe in King Henry’s presence and knowing him could prove fatal.
Lovely channel lovely videos But that picture in the beginning and thumbnail is not Catherine Howard
Almost all the pictures are not of Thomas Culpepper, but of Henry the 8th.
There are no existing paintings of Thomas unfortunately
I always wondered what he look like the same of. Anne boleyn @@Amanda3280h
Wait...so Culpepper's parents gave two of their children the exact same name? I know the infant mortality rate was pretty high in the Tudor period but at least wait for the first kid to die before giving his name to a different kid.
My name’s Larry. This is my brother Daryl and my other brother Daryl.
Common then. They'd be named after saints and great people of the court at the time of their birth and there weren't many names.
Henry had a.lot of envy and regretted killing Anne Boleyn.
I mean its the same logic my ex uses. .
You regret tossing away the one who truly loved you and so you make up for it by rampantly engaging in multiple silly relationships trying to prove a point. ..and all that happened was he got more and more miserable cause that guilt will eat you alive.
With no care for the people you used up?
Culpepper was beheaded, because he pleaded for mercy, to avoid being hung, drawn, and quartered, and was granted that by Henry The 8th. Francis Dereham on the other hand, was not so " fortunate ", since he was hung, drawn, and quartered. Beheading.......yes very brutal, but over pretty fast. Hung, drawn, and quartered is a slow very painful death...........it`s so much worse than being beheaded.......🤔
Confessions under torture are always credible.
Must be a dope to have seen all the people getting executed and than sleep with the Kings wife. I wonder if it's true or an excuse for Henry to get rid of another wife and friend.
I'll venture for option two. An excuse.
You have to view things in terms of there not being much to do on evenings back in those days apart from bonking and boozing.
It's the truth. Look it up....
Catherine was reckless to commit adultery.She knew the risk
What a horrible psychopathic fiend Henry Tudor was, and his advisors.
I wonder why Jane Boleyn would help with this affair considering she was well aware of why Anne and George were executed.
I would have sowed my oats elsewhere myself
I remember when I was eleven years old, the family saw the Anne Bolelyn documentary, and haha, when I acted up, my oldest sister would say Anne Bolelyns floating head is going to stare you down in the middle of the night. Slept with the light on forever, but I have survived so much those thoughts now turn to my kitties health quickly, however if that was real...lets change the subject.
Do we actually know that they indeed sleep together? I mean, they were so evil back then. Katherine wasn't well educated, yet that letter she wrote was very well written 🤔
It was kind of strange that Culpeper confessed that he commited his affair with Catherine, but in the 2010 Tudors season 4, Joan Bulmer said to Catherine that Culpeper would happily die for her, so this shows that Culpeper wanted to confess the affair in order for him to die, and he did this for Catherine as what Joan soad to her in which she said 'he would Happily die for you' so this was very sweet of Culpeper doing that for Catherine, and due to her family wanting to save their own skin instead of helping Catherine, she should in favt of said to the crowd 'I die a queen, bit I would rather die the wife of Culpeper' and in the letter with her saying that yours as long as life endurs, it shows that she wanted to be with him forever, RIP. Thomas Culpeper and Catheirne Howard (Culpeper).
Awe, Henry was kind indeed, so kind, he only chopped his friend's head off!. Rather than hang draw and quarter? He lost his head, pity it wasn't the other way around. With all that went off in those dark scandalous, and cruel times, not quite Eastenders on TV, but still depressing, with some dodgy characters, and falling out all the time. I wonder what Henery and Culpepper talked about for hours?. Talk about stabbing friends in the back, Hendry was a professional, at it and so evil. So glad I didn't live in those times, but it's sure getting that way now. Thank you for uploading, as always, excellent.
Henry VIII looks very fierce and intimidating. 😬😬😬
She was not brought up to be a queen. The woman who was her housemother, pretty much ran the place like a brothel.
I'm not saying she was innocent, but she was very ignorant and behaved just as she had been raised.
Just like the rest of us
@@charlesciminera5881 exactly! LOL
nowadays we'd call that child abuse 🇪🇺🇮🇪
Henry viii one of the brutal king he killed even his closed friend. Anne Boleyn and Catherine Edward are relatives they being same Fate in Henry hands
what was brutal abot his execution, you even admit he got the normal beheading sentence, please give your viewers some credit for their intelligence! using grossly inflated headlines to get people to subscribe stinks of desperation...
Click bait...
The cruel king.
I think he regretted everything he did but instead of owning up to it he doubles down on a faulty conceit thinking the next tines the charm.
Cause see he should be waited til Catherine died naturally a d then married again.
He deeply regretted that too.
But just double down.on that mistake and all that he got was a pile of heads and a festering leg.
Henry the 8 should given both Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard a divorce I bet both would have still been alive when Henry the 8 dies lmaoo imagine their reaction hearing their x husband death
So, the Tudors series actually got it right. I was glad to see him get taken down. 😏
That was a ballsy move
It’s interesting that while all this intrigue and bloodshed was going on in the royal court, someone was building our house in Suffolk, probably without any knowledge of what ‘Enery the Eighth’ was up to.
Henry 'old copper nose' the 8th was a currency debaser
I believe it is not certain that Culpepper and Katherine Howard had a physical, sexual relationship.
They both admitted it, I'd say that's pretty certain...🙄
@@mattrogers1946 Was he tortured? People being tortured will say anything to make the pain stop. An excellent book on Katherine Howard is Gareth Russell's "Young and Damned and Fair: The Life of Catherine Howard, Fifth Wife of King Henry VIII."
@@BTScriviner Was she tortured? No...
There were witnesses, the evidence was pretty damning, far more so than the trumped up charges that doomed Anne Boleyn.
@@mattrogers1946 how long had they been tortured when they "admitted" to whatever they were accused of.
@@josephdowling3745 Catherine Howard wasn't tortured, it wasn't necessarily. She was caught with her hand in the cookie jar, or rather Culpepper was. 😉
holy shjt the British Empire and statism is wicked
I wonder if King Henry VIII and Culpepper were more than just friends. The talk about how the king adored him has me thinking that there may have been more to the story. Culpepper was said to be a very handsome young man. Is there anything more to my hypothesis?
“Tower Hill”? You mean Tower Green??
A very stupid thing to do at that time. If online the hay waited......
Feather-lite history.
lots of legendary executions in henry 8th life
Imagine if PH & MM lived in England in those days, badmouthing the king and the BRF?
You know the poor man was innocent
Unless he’s sleeping with the kings wife
No he wasn’t
She must have been something else, to risk his life!!!!!!!!!
Was culpeper really tortured???
wouldn't it be Karma if Henry were reborn a peasant girl in an islamic village.
Life in earlier times was short and brutal!
So what’s the big deal!
Thomas is my 15th grandfather!
Thomas Culpepper was a king.. King of mess around and find out!
Ok there could have been sex. I.just don't understand how she didn't end up pregnant.
I read a book that stated...in the environment she grew up in..she had a pebble put in her uterus. The Muslims that were in Spain until Catherine of aragon mother defeated were way advanced in medicine. The idea made its way to Europe
It's funny how these people don't think they will get caught
I read a book about her by the historian alison weir I have a different opinion I think she was used by men this Catherine Howard and just didn't know how to say no
Catherine and Lady Rochford got only beheading but did the same crime as the two men, who got the whole nine yards including torture and drawing and quarter. English law LOVED giving the men the worst possible sentences.
Thomas did not get that punishment, he was just beheaded.
I wonder if Henry was a narcissist
Do you think?!
No need to wonder. He was a spoiled brat and a tremendous narcissist
Oh yes big time.
Catherine was NOT beheaded on Tower Hill.
She wasn’t that young and for those times, she was an adult. No younger than a lot of the people who were put to death at that time
Dude what was she thinking?
Catholic’s?
Are you saying those darn Catholics cooked up the whole thing and that in reality was just a big huggable teddy bear, with bloody ass fangs and a homicidal maniac to boot?
FAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Another poor man ruined by female caprice
Not ruined by female caprice. Ruined by a tyrant and bloody king.
Certaily there is a lot of conmotion in the court of HENRY . His best friend cheated him with his wife the cut and put to death. Unfortunately due to your heavy accent i. Lumd not understand things. Sorry i have to give you a thumb down
I love Henry 8th. He doesn't take nonsense.
She must have been something else, to risk his life!!!!!!!!!