Thanks for this video. Catherine has been so mispainted by history. Even Henry called her his rose without a thorn. She was innocent and it’s so wild that she could be beheaded for something the king himself did repeatedly, when she was just a child. So much love to her. I’m glad this last century history is beginning to put it right.
It’s not wild though, is it? The fact is, women were not looked at as equal to men. Women were held to a different standard. Bottom line. And I’m sorry but Catherine Howard, whether you believe in her guilt or innocence. It’s not for me to say but regardless of that, she was plenty fuckin stupid because she absolutely could have saved her neck. And look, hindsight is 20/20 but I’m sure contemporaries weren’t blind to the danger of being in proximity to Henry VIII. Not that you couldn’t be taken down whether you were actually guilty or not, if the King wanted you dead, then the King will find a way. But given that, it doesn’t look as though Catherine Howard played it safe. And if you want to know the truth, what was really behind it all was the fact that she was a Howard. And Howard = Catholic. It’s all party politics trying to hook their particular group and pull the king to their side.
Very interesting. I recently watched a lecture by Dr Starkey giving an entirely different interpretation of her character and relationships. Thank you for another kind of reading of the sources. It's what excites me about this period.
I have just finished your book "Young Damned and Fair" and I can't tell you how much I enjoyed it. I was totally engrossed in the story of Henry VIII and Catherine Howard; but more particularly, I very much appreciated the historical detail based on your meticulous research. Thank you for brining this period of history so alive and for doing justice by all the protagonists including Henry.
Y and D&F one of my favorite Tudor books. Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn failed to give Henry a son. Beauty and youth were Catherine Howard’s downfall. She could have had such a different life. Thank you for posting this! ! Love your accent!
I appreciate your description of her early adolescence in being “pursued” & possibly abused by young men. Many girls & women in our own day understand that situation all too well. It is upsetting that some prominent historians compare her to a girl on a street corner!!
Modern people fail to comprehend that society was actually a theatre and people were actors; it was a battlefield were wit and intelligence were put on display but betrayal with merciless gossip was enjoyed by every class Proust mentions such conduct and exchanges amongst the upper society Only in family it was permitted to relax and be spontaneous However this girl as pleasant as she was she failed to understand her position and duties She was either naive or very arrogant
I have often heard Catherine described as playing the role of queen well in public. But behind closed doors...I don't know if she had a physical affair with Culpeper, but meeting with him in secret!!! Writing that letter? It's like she had never heard of Anne Boleyn. I do enjoy hearing more about Catherine's education. The Tudors portrayed her as a bimbo, Henry VIII and his Six Wives portrayed her as very child like. She did handle herself well on the progress which says something about her. The one I really feel.sorry for is Derham.
@@LyricalXilence Derham - he thought he was making a smart move by returning from Ireland and getting a position in her court. I think he was still miffed at being rejected by her. In any case, it was a fatal mistake. Poor man. Also, for Catherine, she had no female role models or confidantes. No mother, no sister, no aunt - someone she could trust who could advise her and help her grow up and mature in her life. That's what I think anyway after reading the book, which was excellent.
I loved this!!! Thank you for sharing such an in-depth look at a short life. I’m HER, good or bad she offered “hope” to perhaps to people that Henry’s tyrannical ways might soften.
What a captivating account of the last victim of Henry VIII’s serial executions of his queens! Your masterful scholarship lent an intimacy to your biography of the much-maligned Catherine Howard. Thank you.
That was so interesting. Thank you for posting. I've always been puzzled why Catherine appointed Dereham to be her private secretary when she was queen. It seems such a monumental error of judgement. Also, a factor most people gloss over is what her life between the sheets with Henry must have been like. I know things were different for women then, but still. A grossly fat, stinking old man with weeping leg ulcers trying to get her pregnant makes you wonder if she wasn't glad to have it all end really.
I wondered that too! And I wondered too how she did not fall pregnant more often by Henry. I know there was the one unconfirmed pregnancy but I was expecting that there would be more pregnancies albeit unscuccessful.
Superb honest presentation. Thank you for preparing, sharing, and posting your very interesting findings. Congratulations on the completion of your Masters.
Henry appears to have become impotent by this marriage. He was also obese, irritable, and smelled from his infected wound. Im sure it was all blamed on her, just like it was with Anne of Cleves.
I’m a little shocked at the idea that someone gleaned enough information to write a whole book on Catherine Howard. If it were any of the other Henrician wives I wouldn’t give it a second thought, but a ‘book’ seems dubious a claim. A pamphlet maybe. A ‘fanzine’, is even pushing it. Something tells me this is a book about Henry VIII, and maybe the Howard family at large, with a decent portion dedicated to Anne Boleyn…but I don’t know if a small paragraph about Catherine Howard thrown In with the rest of that exposition allows you to claim you wrote a book about Catherine Howard. That’s like If Alison Weir took her book ‘Henry VIII, A King and His Court’ and decided she was gonna call it; ‘Tittle-Tattle from the Savoyard’s Saddle - the Story of Eustace Chapuys’.
I have never seen Catherine as a victim of Mannox or Derham; actually it could be argued Mannox was predatory. If she was born in 1523 then she was 13 in 1536 around the age girls got married...and if you're correct she was 15 by the time the physical relationship started. So that would mean Mannox @ 14-15, Derham @ 15-16 and Henry @17. Compared to her contemporaries: Katherine Parr's first marriage, Margaret Beaufort, Anne Neville, Isabella of France etc. she was the normal age to marry and have kids by the time Henry and Culpeper came around.
Margaret was against women having babies before a certain age as her experiencing birth as such a crazy young age nearly killed her. She wasn't developed enough to birth.
It’s refreshing to hear someone talk highly of Catherine.
That final quote-wow! People forget how young Catherine was. Thanks for a good talk!
Thanks for this video. Catherine has been so mispainted by history. Even Henry called her his rose without a thorn. She was innocent and it’s so wild that she could be beheaded for something the king himself did repeatedly, when she was just a child. So much love to her. I’m glad this last century history is beginning to put it right.
The king would have forgiven her the past but given she was involved and in love with Culpepper, the king had no choice but to try her for treason.
It’s not wild though, is it? The fact is, women were not looked at as equal to men. Women were held to a different standard. Bottom line. And I’m sorry but Catherine Howard, whether you believe in her guilt or innocence. It’s not for me to say but regardless of that, she was plenty fuckin stupid because she absolutely could have saved her neck. And look, hindsight is 20/20 but I’m sure contemporaries weren’t blind to the danger of being in proximity to Henry VIII. Not that you couldn’t be taken down whether you were actually guilty or not, if the King wanted you dead, then the King will find a way. But given that, it doesn’t look as though Catherine Howard played it safe. And if you want to know the truth, what was really behind it all was the fact that she was a Howard. And Howard = Catholic. It’s all party politics trying to hook their particular group and pull the king to their side.
A beautiful description of Catherine Howard. Thank you for posting this 🖤
Wow! This talk was absolutely amazing! Gareth Russell is a great speaker and I’m sure an even better writer. I could listen to him for hours!
Love Gareth and his dedications to Catherine!
One of the best books on Catherine I have read. Highly recommended
Me too. Every time I opened the book, I was cast back to that period in history.
Henry really was such an unspeakable monster.
Very interesting. I recently watched a lecture by Dr Starkey giving an entirely different interpretation of her character and relationships.
Thank you for another kind of reading of the sources. It's what excites me about this period.
I have just finished your book "Young Damned and Fair" and I can't tell you how much I enjoyed it. I was totally engrossed in the story of Henry VIII and Catherine Howard; but more particularly, I very much appreciated the historical detail based on your meticulous research. Thank you for brining this period of history so alive and for doing justice by all the protagonists including Henry.
Y and D&F one of my favorite Tudor books. Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn failed to give Henry a son. Beauty and youth were Catherine Howard’s downfall. She could have had such a different life. Thank you for posting this! ! Love your accent!
Thank you, Mr Russell, Very interesting talk showing a different perspective of Queen Catherine.
Excellent talk. I really enjoyed this.
I appreciate your description of her early adolescence in being “pursued” & possibly abused by young men. Many girls & women in our own day understand that situation all too well. It is upsetting that some prominent historians compare her to a girl on a street corner!!
Loved this ❤️ And that extract from Brideshead Revisited at the end was so exact and fitting, well done Gareth 👏
I’m reading this now!!! It’s amazing 🙌🙌🙌
Modern people fail to comprehend that society was actually a theatre and people were actors; it was a battlefield were wit and intelligence were put on display but betrayal with merciless gossip was enjoyed by every class
Proust mentions such conduct and exchanges amongst the upper society
Only in family it was permitted to relax and be spontaneous
However this girl as pleasant as she was she failed to understand her position and duties
She was either naive or very arrogant
I have often heard Catherine described as playing the role of queen well in public. But behind closed doors...I don't know if she had a physical affair with Culpeper, but meeting with him in secret!!! Writing that letter? It's like she had never heard of Anne Boleyn.
I do enjoy hearing more about Catherine's education. The Tudors portrayed her as a bimbo, Henry VIII and his Six Wives portrayed her as very child like. She did handle herself well on the progress which says something about her.
The one I really feel.sorry for is Derham.
@@LyricalXilence Derham - he thought he was making a smart move by returning from Ireland and getting a position in her court. I think he was still miffed at being rejected by her. In any case, it was a fatal mistake. Poor man. Also, for Catherine, she had no female role models or confidantes. No mother, no sister, no aunt - someone she could trust who could advise her and help her grow up and mature in her life. That's what I think anyway after reading the book, which was excellent.
I loved this!!! Thank you for sharing such an in-depth look at a short life. I’m HER, good or bad she offered “hope” to perhaps to people that Henry’s tyrannical ways might soften.
Wonderful, just got the book on my Kindle.
What a captivating account of the last victim of Henry VIII’s serial executions of his queens! Your masterful scholarship lent an intimacy to your biography of the much-maligned Catherine Howard. Thank you.
That was so interesting. Thank you for posting. I've always been puzzled why Catherine appointed Dereham to be her private secretary when she was queen. It seems such a monumental error of judgement. Also, a factor most people gloss over is what her life between the sheets with Henry must have been like. I know things were different for women then, but still. A grossly fat, stinking old man with weeping leg ulcers trying to get her pregnant makes you wonder if she wasn't glad to have it all end really.
She wanted to be Queen...he came with it.
I wondered that too! And I wondered too how she did not fall pregnant more often by Henry. I know there was the one unconfirmed pregnancy but I was expecting that there would be more pregnancies albeit unscuccessful.
Enjoyed sir!
Superb honest presentation. Thank you for preparing, sharing, and posting your very interesting findings. Congratulations on the completion of your Masters.
Thank you. Enjoyed this.
Thank you. Very well presented.
Superb your voice is perfect for this
Superb really informative and so interesting
I love this book.
Exquisite!
Henry appears to have become impotent by this marriage. He was also obese, irritable, and smelled from his infected wound. Im sure it was all blamed on her, just like it was with Anne of Cleves.
I think killing Catherine was a warning shot against the Duke of Norfolk.
Hallo es interessiert mich sehr mitzuhören aber ich kann kein Englisch 🤔 gibt es eine deutsch version! 🙏
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I’m a little shocked at the idea that someone gleaned enough information to write a whole book on Catherine Howard. If it were any of the other Henrician wives I wouldn’t give it a second thought, but a ‘book’ seems dubious a claim. A pamphlet maybe. A ‘fanzine’, is even pushing it. Something tells me this is a book about Henry VIII, and maybe the Howard family at large, with a decent portion dedicated to Anne Boleyn…but I don’t know if a small paragraph about Catherine Howard thrown In with the rest of that exposition allows you to claim you wrote a book about Catherine Howard. That’s like If Alison Weir took her book ‘Henry VIII, A King and His Court’ and decided she was gonna call it; ‘Tittle-Tattle from the Savoyard’s Saddle - the Story of Eustace Chapuys’.
That’s a hash position to take if you haven’t read the book
I thought Catherine Parr was the first Queen of Ireland
I have never seen Catherine as a victim of Mannox or Derham; actually it could be argued Mannox was predatory. If she was born in 1523 then she was 13 in 1536 around the age girls got married...and if you're correct she was 15 by the time the physical relationship started. So that would mean Mannox @ 14-15, Derham @ 15-16 and Henry @17. Compared to her contemporaries: Katherine Parr's first marriage, Margaret Beaufort, Anne Neville, Isabella of France etc. she was the normal age to marry and have kids by the time Henry and Culpeper came around.
They would marry young but not usually consummate it till 16. Margaret b was young for the time to be giving birth
Margaret was against women having babies before a certain age as her experiencing birth as such a crazy young age nearly killed her. She wasn't developed enough to birth.
Interesting. But I wish you had paid more respect for the sufferings of Thomas Culpeper