Was surprised at the decent speeds upwind given the size and geometry. Maybe VPLP up to something here. My limited experience sailing Lagoons is that it’s a really lackluster experience, esp under 12 kn wind spend ..but ofc the comfort at anchor can’t be beat.
Toby Get your facts together. Firstlymoving the mast forward allows for bigger mainsails and smaller headsails. Headsails do overlap mote. Secondly the boat is totally light for a photo shoot. Spords come down when loaded.
@7:12 I've noticed that some Lagoon 46s have been built with a traditional winch here. Has anyone had problems with the flatwinders or is it an "upgrade"? I love them.
Big no to any Lagoon from me, aside from looking like multi story caravans; the whole bulkhead structural issue on the 450’s over the past two years means I could never invest my hard earned into such a boat.
@Geoff Strebel yep, I wouldn't touch a Benetau either. Just floating caravans that aren't backed properly by the manufacturer when things go wrong as they did at Lagoon.
I know people diss "condo cats" but really if you are doing a world tour as a couple with friends coming along every now and again, this is an impressive bit of kit. IF you was to get a mono hull what would compare with it, for cabins and space?
Or... If you got a performance cat and then added a dive compressor, dive gear, a water maker, a large fast dingy, kite boards, and all the rest, a) would you have room and b) how much would that kill any performance edge you had?
@@vokstar Vok, what I'm suggesting is that a performance cat, with low displacement hulls, would not perform well if fully loaded with gear while a larger displacement hull would maintain their current performance better with the same added weight. Yea, monohulls. A very big one would fit all that stuff.
Nooo the boat I've been waiting for for so long comes to the channel and then he decides to upload in 1080p instead of 4K... bummer. Nonetheless, great video!
@7:34 The form of the bridgedeck is designed to dissipate the wave slapping noise you're concerned with. I've chartered several now and haven't heard any concerning noises even in rough seas.
I have sailed monohulls all my life. I am now retired and could see the attraction of a cat for extended cruising and months aboard. If only I could get my head around to believing that I would not wake up upside down in mid Atlantic. If there is no risk why do they all have an escape hatch? Maybe I would dream that one of the grand kids was opening the hatch mid Atlantic. Oh well, I can't afford one anyway. I enjoyed the video as always😀.
CE no longer requires escape hatches in many modern cats. I think the new Leopard 50 is one without a hatch in the hulls, and it is rated for blue water ocean crossings. Modern rigging, plus safety releases have made pitch-poling in modern designs almost non-existent.
@@geoffstrebel2808 8:03, 8:19, 8:28, 11:05, pretty much from 11:39 to 12:20, 13:10 to 13:20, 13:45 and several other creaks throughout his tour. I also don't really understand how you can do any sort of review of a Lagoon boat without even mentioning the bulkhead issue and how/if it's been addressed.
@@ATT120 I listened closely and none of those instances worried me. Its a yacht in 20kts of wind and moderate waves. Its not going to sound like a hunter killer submarine. Sounds like water slapping the bridgedeck or someone easing a sheet on a winch. I also don't understand how anyone can do a review of a Lagoon without someone harping on this where there's really not that big of a concern anymore. The Lagoon 450, which is the one that had a big problem is built in a different factory than the yachts above 49ft so hopefully the build quality issues get resolved.
I would just add that you can put any major multihull manufacturer's name into a search engine and add "bulkhead issues" and find results. Keeping two hulls alighend together forever is a tough ask.
It has got to be exhausting to be that high above the water line with the boat constantly moving around/ bouncing around in the waves and wave action.. PS.. the seas are virtually flat!
I can not understand why electric propulsion was not chosen for this first hull? They added plenty of solar and with those sailing speeds hydrogenation would be very effective as well. So they could give a very futuristic and green picture as the company vision...
To hear Toby say this is better than his home is rather disappointing. But it sets the bar then really low. I see many lagoons living in a Marina where people enter for immigration reasons. And although I don’t like lagoons they do reasonably well. My objection against the brand is the details. One pays well over a million fir a smaller boat and looking at the larger ones you’d double that. And then to see crooked tables, ikea like furniture finish. Personally I don’t like it and would not buy fir that reason. But i can see SY people do. Designs are quite smart, although executed in less great ways. Hull shakes are not great but the 62 series won quite a few ocean crossings. They are far from a performance boat, but that’s not what these buyers look for. And like Bavaria was ridiculed fir years to be a caravan on the water, these are. Yet that’s what a large crowd seem to want. Mc D in stead of Michelin stars. And that’s fine. That a few had issues is no problem as long as they solve it. Did not oysters loose their keels? And those are several millions.. as long as the builder solves such problems not a big problem. Unfortunately lagoons are built in such a way that you need to savage a lot to fix such issue. I’d like to argue that in any systematically built boat that’s the case. Because connections make the structural integrity hence no bulk head is stand alone. The bulkhead issue is a fake argument for not buying. That in their defence. Still don’t like them because to many faults found in them, crooked panels, tables etc. Just cheap furniture and it’s not rounded enough for rough seas to my liking. Just personal choices/opinion. Conclusion we need to click more to give agony a higher income so he can move on in life, and buy a real boat. Whatever that may be for him.
lagoon has put out a wonderfully designed boat. fast. love the center helm flybridge.... however... if this man had said the words "code zero" ONE MORE TIME....
Can hear the creaking in the hulls, is that bulkheads?
I also noticed all the creaking….mmm
Just listen to all the creaking going on. That's a new boat in relatively calm water. It could be the size of the Taj Mahal, you can keep it.
Its the first hull ever made. There's going to be a bit of a learning curve.
@@geoffstrebel2808 Search for "cracked bulkheads lagoon" and rethink your statement
We've just delivered one of the new Lagoon 51's. Great boat!
I've been waiting for this one for a while. Thank you Toby!
I love these boat tours as he is doing what me and im sure most of us other sailors would do... open every cupboard and possible stowage..
Holy hell in just a few months they sold 100. It will be years before the last of those 100 get theirs. Good for Lagoon!
Excellent review. Thanks Toby! 🔥
EXCELLENT VIDEO! Thank you Toby
Thanks Jamie!
volume becomes even more serious when the hulls part ways after the warranty runs out.
Already some creaking and cracking going on in that owners cabin
it has a twist altight, with the crappy bulkheads they make🤣
listen to all the creaking below decks... like a haunted house.
@@jaysparc 😂😂😂😂
Was surprised at the decent speeds upwind given the size and geometry. Maybe VPLP up to something here. My limited experience sailing Lagoons is that it’s a really lackluster experience, esp under 12 kn wind spend ..but ofc the comfort at anchor can’t be beat.
Toby Get your facts together. Firstlymoving the mast forward allows for bigger mainsails and smaller headsails. Headsails do overlap mote. Secondly the boat is totally light for a photo shoot. Spords come down when loaded.
Great review Toby! But can the Lagoon brand ever be trusted again???
Noup. The reputation is lost for cutting corners.
Excellent Boat as can be seen from the video. Nice design with flybridge adds that superior feel.
@7:12 I've noticed that some Lagoon 46s have been built with a traditional winch here. Has anyone had problems with the flatwinders or is it an "upgrade"? I love them.
nice boat... wish I could afford it!
Will Lagoon EVER make windows in the bimini so that people don't get whiplash trying to look at their sails?
@5:56 I wish that Lagoon would offer a "Pulse Rig" option like the Excess cats do.
Big no to any Lagoon from me, aside from looking like multi story caravans; the whole bulkhead structural issue on the 450’s over the past two years means I could never invest my hard earned into such a boat.
Don’t trust Lagoon at all. Listening to all the stories about the bulkheads and how they treated the owners, a company too avoid.
@@kodiak7 Well, honestly, Group Benetaeu is the parent and they call the shots...
@Geoff Strebel yep, I wouldn't touch a Benetau either. Just floating caravans that aren't backed properly by the manufacturer when things go wrong as they did at Lagoon.
@@geoffstrebel2808 yes thx I’m well aware. I just was staying closer to topic. But the rule applies to the whole company
Hey gents, what makes of Catamarans have you heard or experienced positive things about?
I know people diss "condo cats" but really if you are doing a world tour as a couple with friends coming along every now and again, this is an impressive bit of kit. IF you was to get a mono hull what would compare with it, for cabins and space?
Or... If you got a performance cat and then added a dive compressor, dive gear, a water maker, a large fast dingy, kite boards, and all the rest, a) would you have room and b) how much would that kill any performance edge you had?
@@geoffstrebel2808 But this isn't a performance cat... How would you fit all that stuff in a mono anyway?
@@vokstar Vok, what I'm suggesting is that a performance cat, with low displacement hulls, would not perform well if fully loaded with gear while a larger displacement hull would maintain their current performance better with the same added weight. Yea, monohulls. A very big one would fit all that stuff.
@@geoffstrebel2808 Gotcha, after I replied I wondered if that is what you meant... Every boat is a compromise I guess.
Does ANYONE else work in Yachting World? It's ALWAYS Toby.
Sorry if I'm getting boring - but we're a pretty small crew here!
Already hear some creaking and cracking in that owners cabin. For a couple of million . Hmmmm
She’s gorgeous
Lovely space, however for me it’s not quite sleek and fast enough. Outremer has the edge, but it’s horse for courses!
Flybridge is not important for space but it is important for the helm position otherwise it has to be in the cockpit and that doesn't work!
¡¡¡ Fantástico !!!
No tendré miedo a hacer la reparación el día que me toque.
Nooo the boat I've been waiting for for so long comes to the channel and then he decides to upload in 1080p instead of 4K... bummer. Nonetheless, great video!
Imagine the noise (and stress) made by seas striking the boat between the hulls! Can anybody say "Oink"?
@7:34 The form of the bridgedeck is designed to dissipate the wave slapping noise you're concerned with. I've chartered several now and haven't heard any concerning noises even in rough seas.
I have sailed monohulls all my life. I am now retired and could see the attraction of a cat for extended cruising and months aboard. If only I could get my head around to believing that I would not wake up upside down in mid Atlantic. If there is no risk why do they all have an escape hatch? Maybe I would dream that one of the grand kids was opening the hatch mid Atlantic. Oh well, I can't afford one anyway. I enjoyed the video as always😀.
CE no longer requires escape hatches in many modern cats. I think the new Leopard 50 is one without a hatch in the hulls, and it is rated for blue water ocean crossings. Modern rigging, plus safety releases have made pitch-poling in modern designs almost non-existent.
Anybody else heard all that creaking?
Lagoons terrible build quality
At what timestamp in the video were you hearing creaking that concerned you? I ready your comment and listened closely and didn't catch it.
@@geoffstrebel2808 8:03, 8:19, 8:28, 11:05, pretty much from 11:39 to 12:20, 13:10 to 13:20, 13:45 and several other creaks throughout his tour. I also don't really understand how you can do any sort of review of a Lagoon boat without even mentioning the bulkhead issue and how/if it's been addressed.
@@ATT120 I listened closely and none of those instances worried me. Its a yacht in 20kts of wind and moderate waves. Its not going to sound like a hunter killer submarine. Sounds like water slapping the bridgedeck or someone easing a sheet on a winch. I also don't understand how anyone can do a review of a Lagoon without someone harping on this where there's really not that big of a concern anymore. The Lagoon 450, which is the one that had a big problem is built in a different factory than the yachts above 49ft so hopefully the build quality issues get resolved.
I would just add that you can put any major multihull manufacturer's name into a search engine and add "bulkhead issues" and find results. Keeping two hulls alighend together forever is a tough ask.
It has got to be exhausting to be that high above the water line with the boat constantly moving around/ bouncing around in the waves and wave action.. PS.. the seas are virtually flat!
Looks like my conservatory with a sail on it. Good review though.
Nice cozy interior marred by crap construction..
I can not understand why electric propulsion was not chosen for this first hull? They added plenty of solar and with those sailing speeds hydrogenation would be very effective as well. So they could give a very futuristic and green picture as the company vision...
All those drawer pulls jutting out. No
To hear Toby say this is better than his home is rather disappointing. But it sets the bar then really low. I see many lagoons living in a Marina where people enter for immigration reasons. And although I don’t like lagoons they do reasonably well. My objection against the brand is the details. One pays well over a million fir a smaller boat and looking at the larger ones you’d double that. And then to see crooked tables, ikea like furniture finish. Personally I don’t like it and would not buy fir that reason. But i can see SY people do. Designs are quite smart, although executed in less great ways. Hull shakes are not great but the 62 series won quite a few ocean crossings. They are far from a performance boat, but that’s not what these buyers look for. And like Bavaria was ridiculed fir years to be a caravan on the water, these are. Yet that’s what a large crowd seem to want. Mc D in stead of Michelin stars. And that’s fine. That a few had issues is no problem as long as they solve it. Did not oysters loose their keels? And those are several millions.. as long as the builder solves such problems not a big problem. Unfortunately lagoons are built in such a way that you need to savage a lot to fix such issue. I’d like to argue that in any systematically built boat that’s the case. Because connections make the structural integrity hence no bulk head is stand alone. The bulkhead issue is a fake argument for not buying. That in their defence. Still don’t like them because to many faults found in them, crooked panels, tables etc. Just cheap furniture and it’s not rounded enough for rough seas to my liking. Just personal choices/opinion. Conclusion we need to click more to give agony a higher income so he can move on in life, and buy a real boat. Whatever that may be for him.
lagoon has put out a wonderfully designed boat. fast. love the center helm flybridge.... however... if this man had said the words "code zero" ONE MORE TIME....
Bulkheads? Bulkheads? 😅
20 knots of wind. Is that safe, for that code 0?
Catamarans are the wat to go 0-100ft volume comfort stability ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍
But not the lagoons