I can see Remi just mentioning the 300 WSM, and Mark dragging him into the studio to get this on tape... This must have been the best day ever for Mark! (not that they are wrong it's a great cartridge)
Smart man! The 300 wsm is my main rifle to hunt with too! I can hunt with any caliber and I own many guns being a collector for almost 60 years! I hunt with Sako rifles and the most accurate rifles I own even more then my custom rifles!
If all the clips where the win mag was compared to something else were put into a video I’d be a full length podcast with lots of outfit changes same hats. Lol
I love my 300 wsm. I've been shooting 168s for trajectory and a little less recoil, but they're right to highlight the versatility. It just checks a whole lot of boxes.
I switched from my all time second favorite cartridge now the 30-06 to the 300 WSM after a couple years of hunting with my father in law and seeing his performance at the range and on animals really drove me to it.. not that my 06 ever let me down but it definitely makes my critters dead faster and shoots flatter
2 of the very best cartridges! The 300 wsm and the 30-06! I hunt with these the most too and I have 60 years of collecting guns in almost every caliber they make!
It really has perfect stats. It just hits checks all the boxes. I built a 7 saum for hunting because there were zero 30 cal projectiles at the time. I don’t regret it but it’s just missing that extra slice of coast to coast confidence.
I love mine. Handloaded with 208 bergers, its good to a mile. Extremely accurate and easy to load for. Its a laser with lighter bullets for most hunting ranges.
I have been waiting for this video. Mark would normally get heat for his affinity for the .300 WSM. The A-Bolt I think is what he used for his black bear hunt. I could see it being an all around round. I would sometimes watch the channel Rogee Productions from New Zealand. That guy hunts with a .300 WSM and it is still quite effective at 500 - 600 yards, which is often the only shot that he can get.
The 300 wsm is really good and I feel the same about the 270wsm and that's why I chose it . Yes Mark i said the 270wsm. I also load 160gr nosler partitions for that rifle, its my Alaska gun .
Love the 300 WSM. Always come back to it. I’ll always pick up the latest and greatest just to check them out, but when backing for a trip the WSM gets grabbed first ever time.
I’ve been looking for the 200 grain terminal ascents for the last 2 years and have yet to find them for sale. My 300 wsm loves them over rl 26 and the cci br2 primers. I have been able to pick up the 155 grain terminal ascents for my 7s and as of 2 weeks ago they were still available online. They are incredibly accurate and have functioned beautifully out to 640 yards on both elk and mulies. P.s. this one was a treat! Favorite hunter to watch and also my favorite caliber for the hunting I do!
Yeah, I just looked to see if I could find any in .30 cal, and I can't find any available in any weights at all. Have they been discontinued, or are they just on really low production?
I have a cousin that hunts a lot more than me. He shot out a Remington 700 in 7mm Rem Mag. Then he got a Tikka in 300 Win Mag. It started loosing accuracy so he got one in 300 WSM and likes it a lot more than the 300 Win Mag. It's a pretty well balanced cartridge for those who can tolerate some recoil even though Remi eventually mounted a muzzle brake. I'm surprised he went with the 200 grain load. You would think such a long bullet would take too much space in the powder column and end up with much lower velocities. But I can't say I disagree with the bullet type. I use the Trophy Bonded Tip that predates the Terminal Ascent but they are very similar in construction. I too feel it's the best bullet out there for big game hunting if your rifle shoots them well. Nice to hear Remi validate my opinion. Now if anyone would load that bullet for 7mm PRC or 6.8 Western I might have to buy a new rifle. Until then I'll just keep what I'm shooting now.
'I'd rather be over-gunned than under-gunned.' Wise words. I've gotten in arguments over this. I've actually argued with Randy Newberg about this exact thing.
I shoot terminal ascents as well. They have been fantastic for me. They shoot accurately out of both my hunting rifles in 2 different cartridges and have quickly put down game from 40yds to 325.
I’ve been shooting a 300 wsm since I was about 15-16 and started with an a bolt stainless stalker. I’ve recently upgraded to browning x bolt hells canyon. 150 grain accubonds hand load is a little laser beam for me.
I’m in great company. My 300 WSM is a Win Mod 70, glass/pillars in a laminate stock. Timney trigger and a terminator t3 muzzle brake. Topped with a Vortex Viper 4-16.
Its definitely my top two favorites and would be my pick if could only have one do it all caliber. My rifles like 150 and 180 gr silver ballistic tips in Winchester supreme and loves hand loads using 180 accubond and 190 ABLR. Tried the precision hunter in 200 gr ELD-x ammo but groups pretty poorly compared to the others named.
I've got a Ruger SRH Alaskan, but I found myself carrying my 627 Pro (8-shot .357) in a Gunfighter Kenai holster most of the time while stationed in Alaska. I was primarily hunting open country with a rifle, so I had a minimum of .270 within arms reach.
Mark’s favorite seems to be a little more gun than most people need. Even Remy says he shoots it better with a brake. I’m sure it has to do with recoil. 300 wsm is not really a fun range day gun to some of us. But if you are a big game long range and lots of energy on target 🎯 guy. It is a good choice. The 100lbs deer 🦌 we have here will probably be a little to dead. 200 grain terminal accent will probably shoot through 10 of em. Happy hunting guys. And good luck 👍.
Nobody but Mark knew that this 10 minute talk was being recorded. Everyone else would have said second time on 300 wsm isn't ready until we've covered other requests. Like the whole Winchester Magnum Family (.264, .300, .338, .458). I feel that we need Ryan and the rest of the Vortex gang to step up and cover these neglected cartridges. I personally have the .264 and .300. Both great cartridges.
Yeah looking forward to that. I have no interest in a WSM. It just offers no advantage to me. I could care less about an action being a tiny bit shorter. Give me the full size original.
So maybe, possibly, in some ways, without truly admitting anything, I injected a small amount of personal bias into the podcast by covering the 300 WSM twice to seven times....Likely a defense mechanism developed over time from all the folks who tell me the .300 WM is the better option.....In all seriousness the .300 WM is a fantastic cartridge we will cover when the time is right. Hang tight! Mark B.
Years ago I purchased a 300 Win Mag rifle so I don't think I am going to change now but after some researching online it seems the 300 WSM actually beats the 300 Win Mag ballistics all with a slightly softer recoil. I am kind of wishing I had known all this before I purchased by 300 Win Mag rifles.
Can't go wrong with a 300wsm. It does everything most people need it to do. Just right now i think the 300prc will out perform it but ammo for both is hard to get.
I did a comparison of 300 WSM cartridges. Unfortunately, I can't paste the table. The numbers are the published numbers from the manufacturer. I will only show the numbers from muzzle, 100 and 500 yards. It tells the story. Norma Bondstrike 180 gr Muzzle Velocity 3084 Muzzle Energy 3802 100 Yards Velocity 2924 Energy 3420 Drop + 1.25 Wind drift 10 MPH 0.49 500 Yards Velocity 2336 Energy 2182 Drop -33.06 Drift 12.83 Federal Terminal Ascent 200 gr Muzzle Velocity 2810 Muzzle Energy 3506 100 yards 2660 Velocity 3141 Drop +1.7 Wind drift 10mph 0.6 500 yards Velocity 2105 Energy 1967 Drop -38.3 Wind drift 10 mph 14.8 Nosler Accubond Trophy Grade 180 gr Muzzle Velocity 2950 Muzzle Energy 3478 100 yards Velocity 2761 Energy 3047 Drop +1.5 Wind drift Not published 500 yards Velocity 2079 Energy 1728 Drop -39.2 Wind drift Not published
Never warmed up to the wsm lineup, I like and use the std 300win mag and the 338RUM but tend to use my rifles in’06 based cartridges the most…. The reality is that the short mags are redundant and to me they don’t really bring anything new to the table other than an excuse to but another rifle.
Me and my father run 7mm remmag for moose it's amazing even at 700 yards just amazing I can only imagine how a long barreled 300wsm runs as it's a bit faster with a heavier bullet
I'll add that the Browning A Bolt rifles have been one of the best choices for a bolt action since they first appeared in the 1990's. I have one in left hand, stainless with the BOSS in 7mm Rem Mag that has accounted for 167 big game animals in 11 states & 3 countries. Whether in .300 WSM, 7mm RM or .280 (my back up) these well-made rifles are consistently accurate and durable.
I was lucky to stumble on the terminal ascent just over a year ago . Lucky to have grabbed a bunch of 6.5 creed and 7mag when they were cheap . They are insanely expensive now .
Bought a model 70 Winchester in 300 WSM first year it was offered sold my 300 Winchester magnum, model 70. Wish I would’ve never sold it cause you cannot find 300 WSM on the shelf anywhere in the last two years… come on Winchester what is the problem? Lots of us have 300 WSM’s luckily, I started loading it.
Had one and sold it. It did not kill reindeer quicker or deader than my 6,5x55. So I went back to that. A problem with all straight cased cartrigdes is that they dont chamber so smooth. And I have also experienced rounds dropping out of the magazine. No, the old 6,5x55 was made for war (killing of soldiers and horses) and feeds and extracts silky smooth. It is now my only cartrigde.
😳 I went to their website and they do have faster 1 in 8 twist barrels, for their 6.5's (like the 6.5 prc), but they aren't chambering anything in the 270 Winchester, from what I could see in any of their model 90's! 😭
Y’all need to checkout the 277 Wolverine it’s a great balance between the performance of the 6.8 SPC and the suppression quality of the 300blk best part is it uses the 5.56 parent case same mags same bolt head etc. the 85gr Barnes does a number on deer and pigs
I have the exact same gun other than mine is chambered in 7mm wsm. Browning A-bolt stainless stalker and after owning it for a while, I also added a muzzle brake. The rifle is pretty light and kicked like a mule. I shoot mine a lot better off of the bench now. I also added a Timney trigger spring and the trigger pull is outstanding compared to what it was from the factory. I have taken several big game animals with it and it's fantastic. It's too bad this cartridge isn't more popular.
I have a 7 saum and you’re right, one or the other should have been a lot more popular. So shootable and accurate. Devastating out to as far as I can shoot. Granted I put a varmint barrel on mine because I wanted to be able to shoot for fun, even the saum is on par with hot 30-06.
300 short mag is the King on a Remington 700 62/ 3/4 trees years ago Lol jim shells are scares up here and expensive 100.oo per box that I shot was 60 feet away I know it's going to be RARE to get one more up here in the James bay lowlands nozzle 160 grain ppsp good shell 😊😊😊
Love the Federal Premiums, but will have to try the terminal ascents out now in my .300WM! Unfortunately, my bud who shoots the WUSM can't find cartridges anywhere here in Canada!
Fun conversation. I'm curious though why these discussions always involve WSM (Winchester Short Magnum) cartridges, and fully neglect the RCM (Ruger Compact Magnum) cartridges? Designed by Hornady, they accomplish roughly the same objective of matching Win. Mag cartridge performance with a short action option but are optimized for 20" length barrels vs. the standard WSM 24". Seems like a superior hunting-focused cartridge design. Maybe everyone just prefers Herstal Group brands instead? Good stuff though, keep it coming.
🤴 Before you go crowing it as the King, you might want to research what inspired it! 🕵️♂️ The Lazzeroni Patriot (a faster 30 caliber Short Action Magnum cartridge) was out nearly 2 decades before, but it's chambering in the Savage and Sako models in the 1990's sparked someone's interest at Winchester and elsewhere! And, prior to that, the 6.5 Remington Magnum was out 2 decades earlier than the Short Action Lazzeroni cartridges - and the 6.5 Remington Magnum has a "performance" very similar to the 6.5 prc (it comes very close to being exactly the same, but came out in the 1960's)! So, despite advances in powder and bullets, the cartridges themselves didn't accomplish something that had never been done before! 😱 I just thought you might know that and, just maybe, you can do a video or two into some of these other great cartridges? 🤠 Plus, Mark, it will give you yet another chance to talk about your favorite cartridge! 🤣 Their isn't really anything new under the sun, so to speak! 🌞
The federal terminal accent is what my wife shoots in her 6.5 creedmoor, she shot a doe last year at like 30 feet and it didn’t break apart. Passed through, no surprise there, so no bullet recovery to examine.
I have 2 270 wsm rifles, 1 7mm wsm and a 300 wsm Remington 700 bdl synthetic 270 wsm Savage 110 apex hunter in 270wsm Winchester model 70 super shadow in 7mm wsm and a Weatherby vanguard stainless synthetic 300 wsm I like the WSM calibers
From listening to Remi on his podcast and other platforms I knew that he would say that his favorite is the 300 WSM. I like my Savage Model 110 Long Range Hunter in 300 WSM, even though I wanted a Tikka at the time I couldn’t pass up the $400 in savings. I sadly haven’t been able to stretch its legs yet. The only thing that I didn’t like about this interview is that Remi who has been in the hunting industry for a long time and has a pretty decent following kept saying caliber instead of cartridge when referring to the 300 WSM. He should know better.
Are the Federal Terminal Ascent bullets for sale anymore, or are they just out of stock/discontinued everywhere? I can't find them available anywhere online.
If you're talking one calibre for everything it's a great choice. I don't own a 7mm PRC but I like the BC and the more modern design. My only reservation is that I can't use one calibre for everything. Meat destruction on smaller game is a real concern. Whitetail deer are easy to kill and I prefer calibres like the 25 06, 6.5 Creedmoor, 270 Winchester, 7mm08 for the job. Elk and above you could use some of these calibres at reasonable distances and well designed projectiles. However, if I'm walking around in Alaska, ( haven't yet) I definitely want something bigger like the 300 WSM.
My favorite hunting round and its ammo is non-existent in alberta canada on the shelf right now. Ive had to resort to finding a friend to reload for me.
Looks like Remi sold out to Weatherby because they are making a gun with his name on it🤔😳 hope it works out for him! Over 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles and I have owned hundreds of rifles over the years and Weatherby at one time was in the top of the list but those days have come and gone fir the kind of money they want for a Weatherby top model today you can get a Sako or Fierce rifle which are a whole lot more gun for the price 😳
The WSM line was a great idea but the lawsuits and eventual settlement over patients may in the end doom the WSM line. Manufactures are avoiding it instead opting for the new PRC line. The 7 and 325 are all but gone. 270 had some success but Winchester's own 6.8 Western is a more modern replacement. 300 WSM is still hanging because of its original popularity, its overall performance, and the only magnum powered short action 30 cal that is commercially relevant.
300 win mag is a long action bolt and the wsm is a short action. They are identical from the muzzle and out to about 1400 yards. Then the 300 win mag rakes an advantage but that is with factory ammo If you hand load, they are identical except for how far the bolt goes back
I bet very few people who actually live in a place where there is a lot of big game in N America worry about under killing an animal or use anything bigger than an 06
You lost Me at muzzle brake as I value my hearing ! Its hard to make a argument against the PRC from Hornady either the 7mm or 300. Me I am a old Man and when I use a 300 mag I use a 300 H&H Mag Model 70 pre-64 and it is a slick feeding gun.
300 WSM... it's OK. Short action? Doesn't really do much. Weight savings and accuracy... meh. My 6lb 300 RUM shoots sub MOA. I'm building a 20-inch do all lightweight hunting rifle and am considering 7PRC, 300-win, and 300WSM. The WSM is now off my short list. Little ammo is currently out there for it. I'm leaning toward the 300 Win. There are just many more ammo options out there, including Hornady Superformance! Perhaps I'm wrong, but why do I feel all the WSMs are on the way out? The PRCs might be giving the WSMs a spanking?😮
With a shorter bolt throw, you have less chance of short stroking and double feeding rounds. Plus every rifle will be shorter overall, which means less braches hit when carrying it If your shooting paper, yeah, it's ok. If you're walking miles in and out, 300wsm is what I carry
Also your 20 inch barrel will reduce you MV by about 120fps with any box label MV. So you will need more powder just to get to baseline but more powder equals more recoil
Oh, and if you go with a 300wsm, you can get a 21" or 22" barrel, gain back that 60fps you would of lose and still be the same overall rifle length as a 7prc or win mag
I respectfully disagree. The 7mm Rem Mag is the best overall especially considering you can find Ammo practically everywhere at a much lower cost. Ballistics and energy 10:56 are excellent also.
I have them both. The 300 Weatherby is on the heavy side 10#. For backpacking 300 WSM 6 lbs is a pleasure to pack in and out. Recoil, 300 WSM is heavy, but I suck it up when only needing one shot at elk. If I had to get rid of one, 300 WBY would be gone.
I don't think anyone is telling you what you should buy And reloading will make any cartridge do better than factory ammo. So your Weatherby is only as good as what you load it with.
Have to laugh at all these guys who USED TO use a 30/ 06 but switched to the 300 wsm because it killed faster. BS, It doesnt do anything the immortal 30/ 06 wont do with premium bullets. With 180 & 200 gr nosler partitions It will take down anything with hooves or claws in N america. THE WSM.CRAZE CAME AND WENT long ago. ALL HYPED UP BS LIKE THE 6.5 CREEDMOOR.
The Federal terminal accent is good but youre limited to what you can find on the shelves. Good luck finding just the bullet to make your own handloads
I don’t buy rifles just because the caliber is a woo-woo in the numbers game. Bigger, badder, zoomier boom sticks that reach way out there from 800 yards, to me, don’t make you a better hunter. Your testes don’t swell any bigger just because you can destroy your shoulder with recoil. I don’t see anything about the caliber that would make me feel like I need one. It’s your favorite toy? Cool! I don’t see a need.
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I can see Remi just mentioning the 300 WSM, and Mark dragging him into the studio to get this on tape... This must have been the best day ever for Mark! (not that they are wrong it's a great cartridge)
Totally. Just cudgels him and throws him in the trunk.
😂 it was a good day for Mark!
Still beaming!
Mark B.
@@VortexNation I would be too if I got to hang with Remi. I’m not even engaged but I want him to be my best man.
Its a great Elk/Moose/Bear Cartridge, too much for deer an hogs, antelope
300 WSM is my favorite caliber as well! Used to always use a 30-06 until I bought a Sako WSM. Love it!!
Yup I also have 300wsm in sako finlight
Smart man! The 300 wsm is my main rifle to hunt with too! I can hunt with any caliber and I own many guns being a collector for almost 60 years! I hunt with Sako rifles and the most accurate rifles I own even more then my custom rifles!
You’ve done 300WSM TWICE now and still haven’t done the 300 WM🤷🏻♂️
That was the final straw.. I’m selling all my Vortex scopes!😂
If all the clips where the win mag was compared to something else were put into a video I’d be a full length podcast with lots of outfit changes same hats. Lol
Don't lose hope! Stay tuned 😬
I love my 300 wsm. I've been shooting 168s for trajectory and a little less recoil, but they're right to highlight the versatility. It just checks a whole lot of boxes.
168 ain’t a joke. It’s a great balance like 150 7mm, and nobody thinks that’s small beans.
I switched from my all time second favorite cartridge now the 30-06 to the 300 WSM after a couple years of hunting with my father in law and seeing his performance at the range and on animals really drove me to it.. not that my 06 ever let me down but it definitely makes my critters dead faster and shoots flatter
2 of the very best cartridges! The 300 wsm and the 30-06! I hunt with these the most too and I have 60 years of collecting guns in almost every caliber they make!
That's awesome! Thanks for tuning in!
It really has perfect stats. It just hits checks all the boxes. I built a 7 saum for hunting because there were zero 30 cal projectiles at the time. I don’t regret it but it’s just missing that extra slice of coast to coast confidence.
Federal Terminal Ascent is a great cartridge profile. From .270 to .300/308 it's great stuff.
Mark when he heard Remi say 300 WSM is his favorite cartridge:
“Did we just become best friends?!?”
😂 Makes me want to shot one at some point.
Yup!
Mark B.
Its my primary bolt gun cartridge and I'm a big fan. Love my .300 WSM.
I love mine. Handloaded with 208 bergers, its good to a mile. Extremely accurate and easy to load for. Its a laser with lighter bullets for most hunting ranges.
I have been waiting for this video. Mark would normally get heat for his affinity for the .300 WSM. The A-Bolt I think is what he used for his black bear hunt. I could see it being an all around round. I would sometimes watch the channel Rogee Productions from New Zealand. That guy hunts with a .300 WSM and it is still quite effective at 500 - 600 yards, which is often the only shot that he can get.
❤ anytime a 10 minute talk comes in while rewatching older onea and reloading nothing better !! Hope all is well and happy hunting
Thanks for being a part of Vortex Nation!
The 300 wsm is really good and I feel the same about the 270wsm and that's why I chose it . Yes Mark i said the 270wsm. I also load 160gr nosler partitions for that rifle, its my Alaska gun .
You are correct! The 270 WSM is impressive and should have been a way better received cartridge!
Love the 300 WSM. Always come back to it. I’ll always pick up the latest and greatest just to check them out, but when backing for a trip the WSM gets grabbed first ever time.
300wsm is a great calibre, tikka strata running 185 berger classic hunter from 100y to 736y(so far) on red deer in nz it works as it should👍
I have the 300wsm and the 270wsm and they are my favorites
I’ve been looking for the 200 grain terminal ascents for the last 2 years and have yet to find them for sale. My 300 wsm loves them over rl 26 and the cci br2 primers. I have been able to pick up the 155 grain terminal ascents for my 7s and as of 2 weeks ago they were still available online. They are incredibly accurate and have functioned beautifully out to 640 yards on both elk and mulies. P.s. this one was a treat! Favorite hunter to watch and also my favorite caliber for the hunting I do!
Yeah, I just looked to see if I could find any in .30 cal, and I can't find any available in any weights at all. Have they been discontinued, or are they just on really low production?
@@D_Boone probably just building back up loaded ammo stocks still, just like almost every 7mm pill there is.
Wish federal produced more terminal ascent bullets for reloaders! Definitely under rated bullet
I have a cousin that hunts a lot more than me. He shot out a Remington 700 in 7mm Rem Mag. Then he got a Tikka in 300 Win Mag. It started loosing accuracy so he got one in 300 WSM and likes it a lot more than the 300 Win Mag. It's a pretty well balanced cartridge for those who can tolerate some recoil even though Remi eventually mounted a muzzle brake. I'm surprised he went with the 200 grain load. You would think such a long bullet would take too much space in the powder column and end up with much lower velocities. But I can't say I disagree with the bullet type. I use the Trophy Bonded Tip that predates the Terminal Ascent but they are very similar in construction. I too feel it's the best bullet out there for big game hunting if your rifle shoots them well. Nice to hear Remi validate my opinion. Now if anyone would load that bullet for 7mm PRC or 6.8 Western I might have to buy a new rifle. Until then I'll just keep what I'm shooting now.
'I'd rather be over-gunned than under-gunned.' Wise words. I've gotten in arguments over this. I've actually argued with Randy Newberg about this exact thing.
I shoot terminal ascents as well. They have been fantastic for me. They shoot accurately out of both my hunting rifles in 2 different cartridges and have quickly put down game from 40yds to 325.
Should of did a hour on the 300wsm
I’ve been shooting a 300 wsm since I was about 15-16 and started with an a bolt stainless stalker. I’ve recently upgraded to browning x bolt hells canyon. 150 grain accubonds hand load is a little laser beam for me.
Never have seen Mark so elated. They would have chosen a different hunting subject if the 300 Wism wasn’t Remi’s favorite cartridge.
Right on both accounts!:)
Mark B.
I’m in great company. My 300 WSM is a Win Mod 70, glass/pillars in a laminate stock. Timney trigger and a terminator t3 muzzle brake. Topped with a Vortex Viper 4-16.
I just got a MDT ESS Chassis for my model 70 in 300wsm.
Hmmmm baby, I love this thing
@@Honkers716 how did you get that? I went to look for one and could find the option for the mod 70
@@jackbolen5001 Call MDT and ask for Greg Taylor.
Its definitely my top two favorites and would be my pick if could only have one do it all caliber. My rifles like 150 and 180 gr silver ballistic tips in Winchester supreme and loves hand loads using 180 accubond and 190 ABLR. Tried the precision hunter in 200 gr ELD-x ammo but groups pretty poorly compared to the others named.
I've got a Ruger SRH Alaskan, but I found myself carrying my 627 Pro (8-shot .357) in a Gunfighter Kenai holster most of the time while stationed in Alaska. I was primarily hunting open country with a rifle, so I had a minimum of .270 within arms reach.
Basically validates my 300 SAUM (and glad I secured a lifetime's worth of brass for it while I still could)
Mark’s favorite seems to be a little more gun than most people need. Even Remy says he shoots it better with a brake. I’m sure it has to do with recoil. 300 wsm is not really a fun range day gun to some of us. But if you are a big game long range and lots of energy on target 🎯 guy. It is a good choice. The 100lbs deer 🦌 we have here will probably be a little to dead. 200 grain terminal accent will probably shoot through 10 of em. Happy hunting guys. And good luck 👍.
It most certainly is a magnum!
Have run a number of 270 WSMs in my life. Still want to give the 300 WSM a go. Just don't have a lot of use for it in the thick woods of the Ozarks.
My 300 wsm is amazing so under rated
Remi is a man after my own heart!
Same.
Nobody but Mark knew that this 10 minute talk was being recorded. Everyone else would have said second time on 300 wsm isn't ready until we've covered other requests. Like the whole Winchester Magnum Family (.264, .300, .338, .458). I feel that we need Ryan and the rest of the Vortex gang to step up and cover these neglected cartridges. I personally have the .264 and .300. Both great cartridges.
Hang tight. We'll get there....Just need to cover the 300 WSM a couple more times until we do.😄
Mark B.
I think there's a lot to be said about what new rifles still chamber for, like 300 win mag vs 300 wsm. I'll keep my belted magnum.
We need to have an episode talking about the stack of Spam cans on the back shelf behind the speakers. Seems like a must 👍🏼
We could maybe arrange that 😂
Respect for Remi went way up when he said he doesn’t say wizzem
I have the Winchester model 70 in 300 wsm and love it
This is the second video on the 300 WSM. It's a great cartridge but we are all still waiting for the 300 Win Mag cartridge talk
Yeah looking forward to that. I have no interest in a WSM. It just offers no advantage to me. I could care less about an action being a tiny bit shorter. Give me the full size original.
300wsm and 300 win are pretty much ballistic twins just short action and long action
@@Hondayo77 yeah but that's a meaningless point to me.
So maybe, possibly, in some ways, without truly admitting anything, I injected a small amount of personal bias into the podcast by covering the 300 WSM twice to seven times....Likely a defense mechanism developed over time from all the folks who tell me the .300 WM is the better option.....In all seriousness the .300 WM is a fantastic cartridge we will cover when the time is right. Hang tight!
Mark B.
I love mine! 180 AB shoot great 👍🏻
Years ago I purchased a 300 Win Mag rifle so I don't think I am going to change now but after some researching online it seems the 300 WSM actually beats the 300 Win Mag ballistics all with a slightly softer recoil. I am kind of wishing I had known all this before I purchased by 300 Win Mag rifles.
I don’t think you really gain that much as far as ballistics with the WSM vs the standard Win Mag.
Can't go wrong with a 300wsm. It does everything most people need it to do. Just right now i think the 300prc will out perform it but ammo for both is hard to get.
I did a comparison of 300 WSM cartridges. Unfortunately, I can't paste the table. The numbers are the published numbers from the manufacturer.
I will only show the numbers from muzzle, 100 and 500 yards. It tells the story.
Norma Bondstrike 180 gr
Muzzle Velocity 3084
Muzzle Energy 3802
100 Yards
Velocity 2924
Energy 3420
Drop + 1.25
Wind drift 10 MPH 0.49
500 Yards
Velocity 2336
Energy 2182
Drop -33.06
Drift 12.83
Federal Terminal Ascent 200 gr
Muzzle Velocity 2810
Muzzle Energy 3506
100 yards 2660
Velocity 3141
Drop +1.7
Wind drift 10mph 0.6
500 yards
Velocity 2105
Energy 1967
Drop -38.3
Wind drift 10 mph 14.8
Nosler Accubond Trophy Grade 180 gr
Muzzle Velocity 2950
Muzzle Energy 3478
100 yards
Velocity 2761
Energy 3047
Drop +1.5
Wind drift Not published
500 yards
Velocity 2079
Energy 1728
Drop -39.2
Wind drift Not published
Nice !! My main hunting rifle in chambered in 270 WSM !!
Never warmed up to the wsm lineup, I like and use the std 300win mag and the 338RUM but tend to use my rifles in’06 based cartridges the most…. The reality is that the short mags are redundant and to me they don’t really bring anything new to the table other than an excuse to but another rifle.
Me and my father run 7mm remmag for moose it's amazing even at 700 yards just amazing I can only imagine how a long barreled 300wsm runs as it's a bit faster with a heavier bullet
I'll add that the Browning A Bolt rifles have been one of the best choices for a bolt action since they first appeared in the 1990's. I have one in left hand, stainless with the BOSS in 7mm Rem Mag that has accounted for 167 big game animals in 11 states & 3 countries. Whether in .300 WSM, 7mm RM or .280 (my back up) these well-made rifles are consistently accurate and durable.
Concur
When are we going to see 300 WSM Hornady 180 CX on she shelfs??? It seems like the perfect load for the 300 WSM.
They on the shelf in east Texas I just got a box 80 bucks
My favorite is 300 Win Mag cause I love my Tikkas and if i gotta have the same size action might as well go old tride and true
I love the weatherby vanguard, in the 300 win mag.
I say w s m, short mag, and Winchester short mag. I love my 300 short mag!
I was lucky to stumble on the terminal ascent just over a year ago . Lucky to have grabbed a bunch of 6.5 creed and 7mag when they were cheap . They are insanely expensive now .
Tell me about it I just got 2 boxes 80 a box plus tax but they sure do shoot sweet
300 WSM is awful
For my wallet because love it
Bought a model 70 Winchester in 300 WSM first year it was offered sold my 300 Winchester magnum, model 70. Wish I would’ve never sold it cause you cannot find 300 WSM on the shelf anywhere in the last two years… come on Winchester what is the problem? Lots of us have 300 WSM’s luckily, I started loading it.
Had one and sold it. It did not kill reindeer quicker or deader than my 6,5x55. So I went back to that.
A problem with all straight cased cartrigdes is that they dont chamber so smooth. And I have also experienced rounds dropping out of the magazine.
No, the old 6,5x55 was made for war (killing of soldiers and horses) and feeds and extracts silky smooth. It is now my only cartrigde.
🤠 The Sako 90 also has a new angled bolt throw and a pikitinni rail system too! 😯
😳 I went to their website and they do have faster 1 in 8 twist barrels, for their 6.5's (like the 6.5 prc), but they aren't chambering anything in the 270 Winchester, from what I could see in any of their model 90's! 😭
Y’all need to checkout the 277 Wolverine it’s a great balance between the performance of the 6.8 SPC and the suppression quality of the 300blk best part is it uses the 5.56 parent case same mags same bolt head etc. the 85gr Barnes does a number on deer and pigs
I have the exact same gun other than mine is chambered in 7mm wsm. Browning A-bolt stainless stalker and after owning it for a while, I also added a muzzle brake. The rifle is pretty light and kicked like a mule. I shoot mine a lot better off of the bench now. I also added a Timney trigger spring and the trigger pull is outstanding compared to what it was from the factory. I have taken several big game animals with it and it's fantastic. It's too bad this cartridge isn't more popular.
I have a 7 saum and you’re right, one or the other should have been a lot more popular. So shootable and accurate. Devastating out to as far as I can shoot. Granted I put a varmint barrel on mine because I wanted to be able to shoot for fun, even the saum is on par with hot 30-06.
300 short mag is the King on a Remington 700 62/ 3/4 trees years ago Lol jim shells are scares up here and expensive 100.oo per box that I shot was 60 feet away I know it's going to be RARE to get one more up here in the James bay lowlands nozzle 160 grain ppsp good shell 😊😊😊
Love the Federal Premiums, but will have to try the terminal ascents out now in my .300WM! Unfortunately, my bud who shoots the WUSM can't find cartridges anywhere here in Canada!
300 wsm is what a 308 always wanted to be an a modern verison of a 30-06
So does a 300 wsm want to be a 300 win mag or a 300 rum?
@@steffensamlal1854 Wants to be but just doesn't quite get there like the 308 to the 30-06
"DO YOU CALL IT WIZZUM!?!"
"I don't."
Fun conversation. I'm curious though why these discussions always involve WSM (Winchester Short Magnum) cartridges, and fully neglect the RCM (Ruger Compact Magnum) cartridges? Designed by Hornady, they accomplish roughly the same objective of matching Win. Mag cartridge performance with a short action option but are optimized for 20" length barrels vs. the standard WSM 24". Seems like a superior hunting-focused cartridge design. Maybe everyone just prefers Herstal Group brands instead? Good stuff though, keep it coming.
Close. Chose the 300 Weatherby Magnum.
🤴 Before you go crowing it as the King, you might want to research what inspired it! 🕵️♂️ The Lazzeroni Patriot (a faster 30 caliber Short Action Magnum cartridge) was out nearly 2 decades before, but it's chambering in the Savage and Sako models in the 1990's sparked someone's interest at Winchester and elsewhere! And, prior to that, the 6.5 Remington Magnum was out 2 decades earlier than the Short Action Lazzeroni cartridges - and the 6.5 Remington Magnum has a "performance" very similar to the 6.5 prc (it comes very close to being exactly the same, but came out in the 1960's)! So, despite advances in powder and bullets, the cartridges themselves didn't accomplish something that had never been done before! 😱 I just thought you might know that and, just maybe, you can do a video or two into some of these other great cartridges? 🤠 Plus, Mark, it will give you yet another chance to talk about your favorite cartridge! 🤣 Their isn't really anything new under the sun, so to speak! 🌞
The federal terminal accent is what my wife shoots in her 6.5 creedmoor, she shot a doe last year at like 30 feet and it didn’t break apart. Passed through, no surprise there, so no bullet recovery to examine.
I have 2 270 wsm rifles, 1 7mm wsm and a 300 wsm
Remington 700 bdl synthetic 270 wsm
Savage 110 apex hunter in 270wsm
Winchester model 70 super shadow in 7mm wsm and a
Weatherby vanguard stainless synthetic 300 wsm I like the WSM calibers
Love mine, have had it since 1992, running 210 ABLR. Stupid accurate. I also put a muzzle break on her.
300 WSM since 1992?
@@justice1327 sorry 2002
Sorry all, mistyped year, had since 2002 not 1992
Ima take the kick over the hearing blast
I love my .300 win mag, so I imagine a .300 wsm is nice too.
From listening to Remi on his podcast and other platforms I knew that he would say that his favorite is the 300 WSM. I like my Savage Model 110 Long Range Hunter in 300 WSM, even though I wanted a Tikka at the time I couldn’t pass up the $400 in savings. I sadly haven’t been able to stretch its legs yet.
The only thing that I didn’t like about this interview is that Remi who has been in the hunting industry for a long time and has a pretty decent following kept saying caliber instead of cartridge when referring to the 300 WSM. He should know better.
Wish they would make 175gr terminal ascent in factory ammo for 300wsm
I shoot 200gr eldx and have good luck, with the b.o.s s system on my a-bolt.
Agree 👍
Up here in Chinada, there is absolutely NO WAY to get any WSM...where are all those bullets?
Are the Federal Terminal Ascent bullets for sale anymore, or are they just out of stock/discontinued everywhere? I can't find them available anywhere online.
How much did you pay him to choose the 300wsm? Just HAPPENS to be your favorite as well lol
Mark and Remi are two peas in a pod.
If you're talking one calibre for everything it's a great choice. I don't own a 7mm PRC but I like the BC and the more modern design. My only reservation is that I can't use one calibre for everything. Meat destruction on smaller game is a real concern. Whitetail deer are easy to kill and I prefer calibres like the 25 06, 6.5 Creedmoor, 270 Winchester, 7mm08 for the job. Elk and above you could use some of these calibres at reasonable distances and well designed projectiles. However, if I'm walking around in Alaska, ( haven't yet) I definitely want something bigger like the 300 WSM.
Cartridge, not caliber. Caliber is just the bore dimension.
😏 The 375 Ruger is your Answer to Alaskan Brown Bear! It can shoot up to a 350 grain Woodleigh Weldcore bullet! 😃
@Jay Dunbar I stand corrected. Cartridge not calibre
If you load them slow and heavy you will have less meat damage than a fast 25-06
My favorite hunting round and its ammo is non-existent in alberta canada on the shelf right now. Ive had to resort to finding a friend to reload for me.
300 WSM
in a Model 70 SS
Nothing better.
MDT needs to make a chassis for it
I think it’s pretty expensive cartridge compared to 300 Win Mag. It would be interesting if you could fit it inside an AR10. 6:50
Only if your not hand-loading otherwise it’s actually cheaper because of less powder needed! I have many rifles in both and both are awesome calibers!
I have a BAR MK3 in 300wsm.
Looks like Remi sold out to Weatherby because they are making a gun with his name on it🤔😳 hope it works out for him! Over 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles and I have owned hundreds of rifles over the years and Weatherby at one time was in the top of the list but those days have come and gone fir the kind of money they want for a Weatherby top model today you can get a Sako or Fierce rifle which are a whole lot more gun for the price 😳
The WSM line was a great idea but the lawsuits and eventual settlement over patients may in the end doom the WSM line. Manufactures are avoiding it instead opting for the new PRC line. The 7 and 325 are all but gone. 270 had some success but Winchester's own 6.8 Western is a more modern replacement. 300 WSM is still hanging because of its original popularity, its overall performance, and the only magnum powered short action 30 cal that is commercially relevant.
Kinda looking like 270wsm gone hang around longer than the 6.8 and the 300wsm is not going anywhere its still gaining popularity
What's the difference between that and the .300 win mag?
300 win mag is a long action bolt and the wsm is a short action.
They are identical from the muzzle and out to about 1400 yards. Then the 300 win mag rakes an advantage but that is with factory ammo
If you hand load, they are identical except for how far the bolt goes back
7mm-08 for the win. .270WSM for 2nd place.
I bet very few people who actually live in a place where there is a lot of big game in N America worry about under killing an animal or use anything bigger than an 06
You lost Me at muzzle brake as I value my hearing ! Its hard to make a argument against the PRC from Hornady either the 7mm or 300. Me I am a old Man and when I use a 300 mag I use a 300 H&H Mag Model 70 pre-64 and it is a slick feeding gun.
There’s this thing called ear protection that you should were regardless of shooting with a brake or not.
@@scottvalleylongrange4878
I do wear ear protection but muzzle brakes are to dam loud for Me period.
300 WSM... it's OK. Short action? Doesn't really do much. Weight savings and accuracy... meh. My 6lb 300 RUM shoots sub MOA. I'm building a 20-inch do all lightweight hunting rifle and am considering 7PRC, 300-win, and 300WSM. The WSM is now off my short list. Little ammo is currently out there for it. I'm leaning toward the 300 Win. There are just many more ammo options out there, including Hornady Superformance! Perhaps I'm wrong, but why do I feel all the WSMs are on the way out? The PRCs might be giving the WSMs a spanking?😮
With a shorter bolt throw, you have less chance of short stroking and double feeding rounds.
Plus every rifle will be shorter overall, which means less braches hit when carrying it
If your shooting paper, yeah, it's ok.
If you're walking miles in and out, 300wsm is what I carry
And 300wsm is NOT on its way out. Lapua just started making brass for the 300wsm bc F-class shooters love the 300wsm
Also your 20 inch barrel will reduce you MV by about 120fps with any box label MV.
So you will need more powder just to get to baseline but more powder equals more recoil
Oh, and if you go with a 300wsm, you can get a 21" or 22" barrel, gain back that 60fps you would of lose and still be the same overall rifle length as a 7prc or win mag
I respectfully disagree. The 7mm Rem Mag is the best overall especially considering you can find Ammo practically everywhere at a much lower cost. Ballistics and energy 10:56 are excellent also.
Now that Lapua makes brass for the 300 wsm, this comment no longer matters
Terminal ascent for the win.
Best bullet in the WORLD and rare AF in 300wsm
Would be nice if they were available to hand loaders.
@@jmgates09 good thing I shoot 300 win mag lol
@@johnkaraphillis754 this is very true, plus they’ve been talking about a 215 grain bullet for the 300 PRC for a while now
Jim and Ryan are laughing at you Mark 😂
WIZM fans rejoice!
Us Aussies call it the 300 WIZZA
why would I get a 300 WSM, when I have a 300 Weatherby?
I have them both. The 300 Weatherby is on the heavy side 10#. For backpacking 300 WSM 6 lbs is a pleasure to pack in and out. Recoil, 300 WSM is heavy, but I suck it up when only needing one shot at elk. If I had to get rid of one, 300 WBY would be gone.
for that purpose I use a 7mm PRC @@rickhelms6533
I don't think anyone is telling you what you should buy
And reloading will make any cartridge do better than factory ammo.
So your Weatherby is only as good as what you load it with.
300 wsm M70 Featherweight. mt one gun solution for North America.
300 que!?
Have to laugh at all these guys who USED TO use a 30/ 06 but switched to the 300 wsm because it killed faster. BS, It doesnt do anything the immortal 30/ 06 wont do with premium bullets. With 180 & 200 gr nosler partitions It will take down anything with hooves or claws in N america. THE WSM.CRAZE CAME AND WENT long ago. ALL HYPED UP BS LIKE THE 6.5 CREEDMOOR.
Lapua just started making 400wsm brass for F-class shooters
So you're wrong on that uts on its way out
what happened to the other guy that used to be on the show too?
This podcast was just hosted by Mark! But Jimmy and Ryan M. are still around and hop on the podcast!
@@VortexOpticsUSA Thanks for the reply...seen plenty of Mark and Ryan, just hadn't seen Jim in awhile.
You bet!
The Federal terminal accent is good but youre limited to what you can find on the shelves. Good luck finding just the bullet to make your own handloads
Mark had wood the whole time.
I don’t buy rifles just because the caliber is a woo-woo in the numbers game. Bigger, badder, zoomier boom sticks that reach way out there from 800 yards, to me, don’t make you a better hunter. Your testes don’t swell any bigger just because you can destroy your shoulder with recoil. I don’t see anything about the caliber that would make me feel like I need one. It’s your favorite toy? Cool! I don’t see a need.
Maybe you should try holding it against your junk if you're looking for those results lol.
Who cares about some guy most of us never heard of?
300 WSM... gross.