Thanks A.J just bought an old Scotty Newport 2 detour and felt there was to little loft on it, now I can check it and fix it, have been using your vids for my repairs since you started, all the best from Tasmania.
I'd love to see a video on bending loft/lie on different types of necks of putters and different types of putters. I can't find a thorough one on TH-cam. Thanks AJ!
Thanks AJ! If I wanted to change the lie of the putter to make it more upright, would I use the same process, but strike the putter on the back of the neck?
Opposite. If you want more upright, you will position the putter resting on the heel (toe in the air) and hit the front of the stem. Just need to get a block to sit under the hosel/shaft tip area.
Maybe. I have never heated any club before bending though I understand the theory of doing it. Putters are usually pretty soft metal wise, so not sure how often it would be necessary.
What bend would you recommend trying to change if you wanted to make a plumbers neck putter more upright? The lower, from head to hosel or the upper from hosel to shaft? Maybe take a couple degrees from both?
The longer section is always going to be easier to move so my initial thought is always the lower section. Not much room to work trying to get that small upper bend moved. Upright is a pretty easy setup also because the club can rest on the putter head heel, so you only need to find a block to position under the hosel/shaft tip area.
Very interesting video! Im going to have to check my putter, do you think an angle finder or a protractor would work to find the angle or degree of the putter face?
Yes, as long as you have a way to know what level is to start with. A bubble level, phone, etc just to know that the shaft is straight up and down when you measure.
I have my blade putter at 2°. I watched a Second Swing fitting video he was fitting someone and mentioned that a mallet (similar to the Scotty Cameron phantom x 11.5) puts the weight in back for MOI but this back weight also makes someone tend to swing up on the ball adding loft. I got fitted to 2° loft on my blade Newport 2 to offset my own swing where I tend to swing up on the ball and this lower loft helps. Would you suggest I go to 1° or 0° loft on the 11.5 since this is going to possibly make me swing up even more with the weight in back and wings? It made sense when I watched. Just thinking I should take off more loft with a mallet than a blade. Agree?
I need to find that video and watch. Not really sure how much the mallet changes the delivery in the vertical. If this was really a thing, why would putter manufactures not apply that thinking and make the mallet putters with less loft? This seems more like a ball position question, which in my opinion is the most important part of getting a putter to work for you. You might want to just roll some putts with your smartphone on the ground taking slow-motion video of impact to see how much loft you are presenting at impact.
@@EFGMC thanks for quick reply here is the link to the video. th-cam.com/video/WiNs1P0Zt0s/w-d-xo.html At 9 minute mark he changes the putter loft from 3.5° to 2°. But that’s a blade. They try other putters and don’t try the mallet (similar to look of mallet I have) until the 21 minute mark. That’s when the fitter gets into the discussion of why the decrease in loft corrected the blade launch angle from red numbers to green - with this Odyssey mallet at the same 2°, the launch angle went back up to where it was when he started and now red numbers again. I’m a good putter, so I’d keep my stroke the same even though fittings have definitely shown that I play ball forward and add loft-I offset it by bending my blade to 2°. Question was with a mallet and my same stroke, should I go to 1° based on the thought at 21 minute mark of video. Thanks again for your time. I do notice that Scotty Cameron putters all come at 3.5°, blade or mallet, so that would show that it shouldn’t change.
@@clifflattanzio5267 If the putts seem like they are skipping then maybe. Super hard fast greens can dictate lower lofted putters but unless you feel like your lag putting is suffering, don't know that I would bend it.
Hi AJ. I have an odessey putter with a dent half way down the shaft. Would you replace the shaft or repair the dent by pushing a rod down after removing the grip? Thanks Patrick
Usually 3 degrees or close to it. I think the ideal delivered loft at impact is around 2 or 1.5 degrees depending on grass conditions. Harder greens can use less loft.
If you bend a short slant neck forward to essentially add loft, or at least lean the handle more forward to fit a feel, would it change the amount of toe hang of the putter at all? I have a spider fcg putter that looks like it has about 1/2° of loft at address to me.
Yea it might be more than that, it just looks like I can’t even see the face at address so I have the tendency to set up with the handle leaned back and it always feels like the club face is open. Wanted to just go for it, but I was curious if you knew how it would affect the mechanics of it. I flattened the lie of another putter and it went from face balanced to heel hang, which I absolutely love, but I didn’t realize it was going to happen before I went for it.
@@joshuahanson8543 That one is easy. Lay the putter face up and put some wood blocks directly under the joint between the stem and the shaft. Then use a 5/8 or similar piece of wood again the neck and hammer that down until you get the right look/measurement.
I was always told that cast clubs, even malleable ones such as Ping, could only move a maximum of 2° either way from standard. Forgings could be bent a little further due to the grain structure of the material, but castings are prone to fracture. It's something I'd be very wary about committing to especially as you have moved a relatively thin and therefore weaker section around 4° from where it was.
I would say that some cheap putters may have a issue but more expensive ones will move. Forging does not matter, it's the material. Many putters are cast or milled or a combo and can be moved. Just need to take your time with it and see what the metal gives you. If it doesn't feel right, don't force it.
That depends on what version. If it's a plumbers neck like this one, then the same method is applicable. If you have a double bend shaft version, you've got two options. You can actually remove the shaft and reinstall because double bends often are misaligned during assembly so that the shaft is "leaning" forward or back. Video on this topic. th-cam.com/video/WX06wZSBuNU/w-d-xo.html Other option is you can just hammer the stem at the base of the putter. You can do it through the shaft though I prefer to again pull the shaft and hammer the stem directly so I can see where I am hitting it. Again I would use masking tape and wood buffer block to minimize possible damage.
I started to cry for the putter. Seeing a hammer made me cringe. But this actually worked. And I willing to try it when I get the extra putter to mess with.
Some will argue this, but for me a mallet is a far better tool for adjusting a putter than any putter bending machine setup. With a few blocks of wood you can get far more exact with how and where you make bends.
@@mikewilliams1479 Sure, you just need to figure out the setup needed to allow for the proper hammer strike. May require a vise to get the right angle.
It was just the 2nd or 3rd free app listed on the Apple store. This was an old phone in the video. My newer one had the angle finder baked into it along with the ruler app etc.
You'd need a GC4 or a slow motion camera to capture it exactly, but I think you could do a pretty good estimate with some basic video, looking at shaft lean at impact, then trying to recreate that shaft angle before measuring the face angle.
@@EFGMC good thinking! I’ll try an iPhone setup and a ball that has some lines on it. I imagine seeing impact trajectory and distance before forward roll could be captured fairly well.
Yes. Going upright is easier because it's pretty simple to set up the blocks and balance the putter on the heel. Going flat will take some more setup time. Vise will be helpful going this direction.
Hi AJ! You are a truly master craftsman. A combination of old and new school in one. Always like your videos! Kudos!
Thanks A.J just bought an old Scotty Newport 2 detour and felt there was to little loft on it, now I can check it and fix it, have been using your vids for my repairs since you started, all the best from Tasmania.
Love it! Thanks for the support.
Thanks for the video. I have no idea how I bent 2 putters in a row, but I'm going to try and fix mine now. Cheers!
Nice video AJ - I like the thought that's gone in to this and the fact you're demonstrating it on a very nice custom Anser Milled! Cheers
Yeah, that putter was a one of a kind custom.
@@EFGMC Yep, I'm a fan of the work the PING WRX department do - the weights milled in to the toe / heel always look awesome! Cool putter :)
@@mattcoulson1560 Originally belonged to a former Georgia Tech player I was told.
Love this one AJ. Thanks for sharing!
Great instruction video.
Great video .. thanks for the info. Keep up the great work !
Thanks for the support!
I'd love to see a video on bending loft/lie on different types of necks of putters and different types of putters. I can't find a thorough one on TH-cam. Thanks AJ!
Is it possible to turn a center shafted right handed putter into a left handed putter?
Can you use a heat gun to soften metal? You make great videos!👍🏼👍🏼
Soften epoxy yes, metal no.
Thanks AJ! If I wanted to change the lie of the putter to make it more upright, would I use the same process, but strike the putter on the back of the neck?
Opposite. If you want more upright, you will position the putter resting on the heel (toe in the air) and hit the front of the stem. Just need to get a block to sit under the hosel/shaft tip area.
@@EFGMC Thanks AJ for the quick reply.
Would it be more beneficial to heat the putter shaft in the area you would be hammering first?
Maybe. I have never heated any club before bending though I understand the theory of doing it. Putters are usually pretty soft metal wise, so not sure how often it would be necessary.
What bend would you recommend trying to change if you wanted to make a plumbers neck putter more upright? The lower, from head to hosel or the upper from hosel to shaft? Maybe take a couple degrees from both?
The longer section is always going to be easier to move so my initial thought is always the lower section. Not much room to work trying to get that small upper bend moved.
Upright is a pretty easy setup also because the club can rest on the putter head heel, so you only need to find a block to position under the hosel/shaft tip area.
@@EFGMC thanks for the reply! Appreciate it and I'll give it a go soon!
Very interesting video! Im going to have to check my putter, do you think an angle finder or a protractor would work to find the angle or degree of the putter face?
Yes, as long as you have a way to know what level is to start with. A bubble level, phone, etc just to know that the shaft is straight up and down when you measure.
Pretty sick Ping WRX Anser right there....
My friend Vik brought it in for some tweaking. One of a kind.
@@EFGMC she’s a beauty…love how Ping puts a little flare on the Tungsten weights…
I have my blade putter at 2°. I watched a Second Swing fitting video he was fitting someone and mentioned that a mallet (similar to the Scotty Cameron phantom x 11.5) puts the weight in back for MOI but this back weight also makes someone tend to swing up on the ball adding loft. I got fitted to 2° loft on my blade Newport 2 to offset my own swing where I tend to swing up on the ball and this lower loft helps. Would you suggest I go to 1° or 0° loft on the 11.5 since this is going to possibly make me swing up even more with the weight in back and wings? It made sense when I watched. Just thinking I should take off more loft with a mallet than a blade. Agree?
I need to find that video and watch. Not really sure how much the mallet changes the delivery in the vertical.
If this was really a thing, why would putter manufactures not apply that thinking and make the mallet putters with less loft?
This seems more like a ball position question, which in my opinion is the most important part of getting a putter to work for you.
You might want to just roll some putts with your smartphone on the ground taking slow-motion video of impact to see how much loft you are presenting at impact.
@@EFGMC thanks for quick reply here is the link to the video.
th-cam.com/video/WiNs1P0Zt0s/w-d-xo.html
At 9 minute mark he changes the putter loft from 3.5° to 2°. But that’s a blade. They try other putters and don’t try the mallet (similar to look of mallet I have) until the 21 minute mark. That’s when the fitter gets into the discussion of why the decrease in loft corrected the blade launch angle from red numbers to green - with this Odyssey mallet at the same 2°, the launch angle went back up to where it was when he started and now red numbers again. I’m a good putter, so I’d keep my stroke the same even though fittings have definitely shown that I play ball forward and add loft-I offset it by bending my blade to 2°. Question was with a mallet and my same stroke, should I go to 1° based on the thought at 21 minute mark of video. Thanks again for your time. I do notice that Scotty Cameron putters all come at 3.5°, blade or mallet, so that would show that it shouldn’t change.
@@clifflattanzio5267 If the putts seem like they are skipping then maybe. Super hard fast greens can dictate lower lofted putters but unless you feel like your lag putting is suffering, don't know that I would bend it.
Hi AJ. I have an odessey putter with a dent half way down the shaft. Would you replace the shaft or repair the dent by pushing a rod down after removing the grip? Thanks Patrick
If a shaft has a dent, always better to replace. Risk of breakage will be low with a putter obviously, but I would still just reshaft it.
Thanks AJ. Hope to hole a few more this weekend on Scottish courses 💪😀
@@pmct9843 Count me jealous!
You’ll need to come over. Great courses and courses. You’ll have plenty of fans here😃
@@pmct9843 Took a trip around Scotland back in 2019. Edinburgh, St. Andrews, Inverness, and Skye. I'd move to St. Andrews in a second!
What is standard loft on putter, I have a mallet putter, how would I checked the loft of that?
3.5 degrees is about standard but that number isn't really what's important. I have a video scheduled soon where I cover this exact topic.
Hey AJ, Do you know if their is a standard loft on a putter that you would buy at the store? Or is their a loft that is considered ideal?
Usually 3 degrees or close to it. I think the ideal delivered loft at impact is around 2 or 1.5 degrees depending on grass conditions. Harder greens can use less loft.
Can u do this with irons?
If you mean bend with a mallet, yes but it’s not easy. Better to use a bending bar.
If you bend a short slant neck forward to essentially add loft, or at least lean the handle more forward to fit a feel, would it change the amount of toe hang of the putter at all? I have a spider fcg putter that looks like it has about 1/2° of loft at address to me.
It might slightly. Personally I think the loft is way to low so that would be my primary concern in order to make it playable.
Yea it might be more than that, it just looks like I can’t even see the face at address so I have the tendency to set up with the handle leaned back and it always feels like the club face is open. Wanted to just go for it, but I was curious if you knew how it would affect the mechanics of it. I flattened the lie of another putter and it went from face balanced to heel hang, which I absolutely love, but I didn’t realize it was going to happen before I went for it.
@@joshuahanson8543 Loft should be pretty minor compared to a lie angle change.
Awesome, thank you! Any suggestions on bending a short slant neck without a putter bending tool specifically?
@@joshuahanson8543 That one is easy. Lay the putter face up and put some wood blocks directly under the joint between the stem and the shaft. Then use a 5/8 or similar piece of wood again the neck and hammer that down until you get the right look/measurement.
I was always told that cast clubs, even malleable ones such as Ping, could only move a maximum of 2° either way from standard. Forgings could be bent a little further due to the grain structure of the material, but castings are prone to fracture.
It's something I'd be very wary about committing to especially as you have moved a relatively thin and therefore weaker section around 4° from where it was.
I would say that some cheap putters may have a issue but more expensive ones will move. Forging does not matter, it's the material. Many putters are cast or milled or a combo and can be moved. Just need to take your time with it and see what the metal gives you. If it doesn't feel right, don't force it.
Got an odyssey 2 ball ...how do you alter that style of putter
That depends on what version. If it's a plumbers neck like this one, then the same method is applicable. If you have a double bend shaft version, you've got two options.
You can actually remove the shaft and reinstall because double bends often are misaligned during assembly so that the shaft is "leaning" forward or back. Video on this topic.
th-cam.com/video/WX06wZSBuNU/w-d-xo.html
Other option is you can just hammer the stem at the base of the putter. You can do it through the shaft though I prefer to again pull the shaft and hammer the stem directly so I can see where I am hitting it. Again I would use masking tape and wood buffer block to minimize possible damage.
@@EFGMC many thanks great instruction , best wishes from St.andrews
I started to cry for the putter. Seeing a hammer made me cringe. But this actually worked. And I willing to try it when I get the extra putter to mess with.
Some will argue this, but for me a mallet is a far better tool for adjusting a putter than any putter bending machine setup. With a few blocks of wood you can get far more exact with how and where you make bends.
@@EFGMC does this work to make it more upright?
@@mikewilliams1479 Sure, you just need to figure out the setup needed to allow for the proper hammer strike. May require a vise to get the right angle.
What app did you use
It was just the 2nd or 3rd free app listed on the Apple store. This was an old phone in the video. My newer one had the angle finder baked into it along with the ruler app etc.
How do you adjust a putter with Stability Putter Shaft? The change in diameter is a problem
What angles are you trying to adjust?
@@EFGMC Lie or loft. The shaft diameter difference doesn't allow the two contact points to seat properly with a stability putter shaft
@@observer8839 Might need to pull the shaft first.
How do you know what delivered loft you’re presenting in a putt?
You'd need a GC4 or a slow motion camera to capture it exactly, but I think you could do a pretty good estimate with some basic video, looking at shaft lean at impact, then trying to recreate that shaft angle before measuring the face angle.
@@EFGMC good thinking! I’ll try an iPhone setup and a ball that has some lines on it. I imagine seeing impact trajectory and distance before forward roll could be captured fairly well.
Ah the old Italian screwdriver 🔨
Have you ever used this method for making a putter more upright or to flatten it out?
Yes. Going upright is easier because it's pretty simple to set up the blocks and balance the putter on the heel. Going flat will take some more setup time. Vise will be helpful going this direction.
Your thoughts on bending my Scotty Newport 2.0 blade to 80*. I want it more upright. Your thoughts on the benefits and drawbacks?
@@eugenedizon48 No drawbacks if it works. I think the theory is solid.
how to lessen a a toe hang
Get a Dead Blow hammer from Lowes or Harbor freight…no nicks or tape needed.
My putter is always broken. The ball just doesn't go in the cup.
Putters naturally have 3-6 loft degree.
No thanks. I’ll take mine to a professional with a proper lie/loft machine.