That's what you get on this channel. I just object the use of "baptism.is for believers only", but the gentleman making this channel is a Baptist..soon... 😆
@javiervega1065 No. Just like any group of people, there are mixed opinions on many things. The overwhelming majority of IFB is all for Bible college, Seminary, and Christian education.
I prayed one night for the Lord to open a door of fellowship amd worship in my life because i was a very lonely Christian surrounded by atheists. The very next morning i found a track to the local IFB church amd ive going for years now and they have become such a wonderful family to me. They have taken my hand amd helped guide me to better know Jesus and who I am in Him. I pray that all those who have suffered in any denomination to seek Jesus through bible not man first.
But before you run from dispensationalism as my friend here says... do research. ;-) That's what I'm doing. Both of these claims are classic misrepresentations of it.
Tom. Why does your church REMOVE anyone who is speaking in tongues? I never grew up in that, so when my neighbor, a Catholic boy, joined me and my brother and his wife at a church like yours. Tommy was making sounds. I thought perhaps he was sick. Men REMOVED him and later brought him back in. I am 70. That was like when I was 19. Tommy 12/13 years old. I am now realizing Tommy was speaking in tongues. He joined a Pentacostal Church. Tonight, I was invited to worship by live viewing with a church in Little Rock, Arkansas. It was spirit filled. I don't know what Tommy had to deliver that night. He has been deceased for a number of years. Let God's Holy Outpouring Happen. 🙏
@@maegardnermills4292 We don't believe in "speaking in tongues" because it isn't biblical. The bible never even using the term speaking "in tongues." It talks about speaking "with tongues" or speaking "in other tongues" which means to speak in another known human language. Nowhere in the bible do people get excited and speak in incomprehensible gibberish. In Acts 2, at Pentecost, the Holy Spirit fell on the church at Jerusalem, and a miracle happened. The miracle was that the members of the church started speaking in various different languages, languages they had never learned, allowing them to preach about Jesus to people assembled for Pentecost that spoke those languages. The languages involved are actually listed in the chapter. These were not mysterious, unknown, gibberish languages. They were known human languages that miraculously facilitated communication between people from different countries. That's why it was a miracle. And it was symbolic of the fact that the gospel, because of the anointing of the Holy Spirit on believers, would be preached far and wide into many nations, like it never had been before. Someone in church speaking in gibberish that doesn't mean anything isn't a miracle, even if someone next to them is pretending to understand the gibberish. "Speaking in tongues," like other Pentecostal practices, isn't biblical, and is a way for people to be led by their emotions to draw attention to themselves and act disorderly in church. It's actually a wicked practice.
@@anarchorepublican5954 If someone told me they were a Fundamentalist Baptist, I'd probably assume they meant they were an IFB, like me. More often I've heard it shortened to Independent Baptist. I wouldn't say the IFB is generally against education. I personally think that it's child abuse at this point to put your kids in public school, and I'm sure many IFB members would agree with me. But I myself am currently working on a post-graduate degree. I don't think this is covered in the video, but there is a split now, in the IFB, between what's been called the Old IFB and the New IFB. The New IFB was started when a pastor named Steven Anderson started a church in Arizona (I think around 2006) and became popular on TH-cam. He eventually started sending out pastors to start other churches, and some IFB churches around the country became affiliated with him and adopted his variations on traditional IFB doctrine. The churches that followed Steven Anderson's teaching (which are mostly IFB with a few significant changes) became known as the New IFB, The primary difference between Old and New IFB is that Old IFB are dispensational (they believe that the Rapture happens before the Tribulation and that the promises made to Abraham still apply to the physically Jewish people of today) while the New IFB are not dispensational (they believe that the Rapture happens after the Tribulation and that Christian believers in the New Testament are God's Chosen People, not the physical Jews). The New IFB preach harder against homosexuality, and generally police doctrine more tightly. If I go into a New IFB church, I can be certain that every church member is crystal clear on having the correct gospel, and that probably most everyone is a dedicated soulwinner. (New and Old IFB call door-to-door evangelism "soulwinning".) By contrast, when I go into an Old IFB church it's a crapshoot whether or not the church member sitting next to you is actually saved or not, and you'd likely have to kidnap them at gunpoint to actually get them to go door knocking with you. I bring up the New IFB/Old IFB distinction, because, like everything else, the New IFB will be more uniform and hardcore on the education issue. At a New IFB they're more likely to accept traditional gender roles and to disparage the usefulness of higher education. So, the wife would more likely stay home with the kids, and the husband would more likely get a job that doesn't involve entangling himself with education. And the New IFB is very much into homeschooling young children. Whereas, at an Old IFB church, you're more likely to find people following our current culture, with the wife working and going to school, the man doing likewise, and the kids not being homeschooled. Where the New IFB and the Old IFB diverge doctrinally, I tend to agree with the New IFB (such as when it comes to the timing of the Rapture). I myself was one of many who got saved after hearing Pastor Steven Anderson (who started the New IFB) preach the gospel on TH-cam--eleven years ago. I went to a New IFB church for years (of which there are relatively few, compared to the number of Old IFB churches), but have more often gone to Old IFB churches. I can't imagine myself going to any church that isn't Old or New IFB. If you pick an Independent Baptist church at random somewhere in the country, they'll almost certainly be "Old IFB" and probably won't even be familiar with the New IFB at all, or even be familiar with the Old IFB/New IFB distinction, and are likely to denounce the New IFB if they've even heard of it. But I like them both.
@@anythingafter10 ...thanks for the info...I'll take a deep dive...I think you missed my snide little joke...I'm a huge Bob Hope fan myself...pure comic genius...
Pic of Pastor Chapel! Nice. 55 Years as an IFB Christian. 33 Years a Pastor. I Enjoy the educational presentation of this Channel. Keep up the good work.
YOU DID A GOOD JOB HERE, SO THANKS!!! THERE ARE A FEW MINOR POINTS WHERE INDEPENDANT BAPTIST CHURCHES DIFFER (ONE TO ANOTHER), BUT YOUR REVIEW STILL WAS ON KEY!!!! BUT THE BEST PART OF YOUR VIDEO WAS THAT THERE WERE NO JUDGEMENT CALLS AGAINST INDEPENDANT BAPTIST CHURCHES, A BIG THUMBS UP FOR THAT!!!!!!! AGAIN, GOOD JOB, LORD BLESS!!!!!!!
@@RolandmaddogDeschainIf you don't believe in a Church guided by the Holy Spirit the Bible is not worth anything. They compiled the Bible and deemed it cannon because God guided the early church to choose the proper books. Then the protestant movement removed books. More than 66 exist
@@silverecho1201 Wrong, the Holy Spirit guides no church. The Holy Spirit guides the people in the church, and the East Orthodox Church is not one of them. They teach a works salvation. You have to ask yourself this question, what is the will of the Father? Answer: John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. God only wants us to believe in Jesus Christ. With this belief, works will follow.
@@POTATOSOOPS I think you mean the NIFB like Steve Anderson's, they teach gays can't get saved no matter what , Jesus burned in hell , post tribulation rapture, they are very violent and rude, they teach repentance is a work having nothing to do with salvation. I'm not NIFB , I am IFB, and I can assure you we are not a cult and don't believe the things the NIFB teach
I’m a former IFB. I love baptists. The problem with the denomination is that their exclusivist tendencies make them extremely tribalistic, often very unwelcoming to visitors and outsiders and judgmental of any who are not a fellow IFB, even other Christians. Their independent ecclesiology means that there is extreme variance from church to church, some may be the sweetest folks you could ever meet, some border on being outright cultish. Depends mostly on the character of the pastor. I come from the latter type. The pastor claims to be under Christ, but in truth, he’s a little dictator. Failure to bow to his whims will result in excommunication. The structure of these churches makes them extremely susceptible to that kind of environment. I would not recommend these churches to anyone.
What you experienced is the "personality" of the local church influenced by the personality of its Pastor. That is why no 2 local baptist church, from the same fellowship group, even if the Pastors are literal brothers in the flesh) are the same.
Have you ever thought about starting a Google Sheets file to track the differences/similarities between all these different churches? It would really help see how they all inter-relate :)
Not sure if you’ve seen it, but Useful Charts did a series on Christian Denominations and arranged them into a family tree which you can buy as a poster. Which is what I did.
People pick n choose what they want even though their Bible they say is fact (which it is) says different..it's like they think it's ok to build their own GOD!! ..it's sad and scary.
@@markieffmorris9263 I know. The website "Preacher Boys" has exposed a lot of it. I was in it for 16 years and was taken advantage of by the pastor, which caused a big scandal and shut the church down. I prefer to remain anonymous as that was a horrible time that I am still healing from.
That would be pointless. Churches change. Preachers even change. But... "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." (Heb. 13:8) He is our foundation. He is the Word; therefore, the Word of God (King James Bible) should be our foundation, not a group, denomination, association or fellowship of churches, or any man.
Here in the Philippines, IFB churches are known as “Bible Baptists.” The other two largest Baptist bodies are the “Southern Baptists” and the “Conservative Baptists.” The emerging group that is slowly gaining popularity is the “Reformed Baptists,” that may also be Southern Baptist.
I'm guessing you already have a bunch of videos planned. But an idea for possible future videos...could you do a video or videos describing or comparing what it takes to be ordained in different denominations?
I am a Christian, but I told my wife I regret marrying into an IFB family. After several years, most of them have not made me feel welcomed, reached out to me, and place their churches, church camps, church events, church activities above family. The IFB religion and it’s subculture leaves a lot to be desired.
You make some good points. We just joined an IFB church a year ago. Even after a year and lots of volunteering for various church jobs, I still feel like an outsider. I feel like there is a clique of insiders, and the rest of us can just stay outside the circle for all they care. Getting tired of it. About ready to leave it, to be honest.
@@Storytime2023x It's that way in most churches. But it's more fun to go after churches that DO preach a saving Gospel.. I know that's what Satan would do anyway.
@@Storytime2023x As I asked the guy who you responded to I want to ask you: Do you believe in the Baptist Distinctives and are you a KJV only Christian?
This is a great overview. I grew up in an IFB church and school. My wife grew up in the Apostolic Lutheran church - a denomination that came from Finland! I would love to hear your overview of the differences of the two!
I have visited an Apostolic Lutheran church in Norway a couple of times. I find that they have many similarities, in their way of dealing with theology, and isolate them self's from other churches.
Excellent overview! I would add that IFBs have a bi-weekly newspaper called The Sword of the Lord, founded by John R. Rice in the 1940s and going strong today. It does a lot to bring a sense of community and continuity to the IFBs. Nice touch including both Chick tracts and Fellowship Tract League tracts in your presentation. I would also add that most IFBs are very anti-Catholic and are premill-dispensationalists.
They are very anti-if you don’t attend our church or another like ours your not saved. I literally got into several arguments with them proving them wrong.
Amen. As a Fundamental Baptist Member here in Southern Philippines, thanks GOD for we adhere to the Biblical Principles, not on the compromised doctrines which may lead us to a dangerous path. Great is THY Name oh my LORD and Personal Saviour JESUS CHRIST.
I grew up in an IFB “hotspot” with a major IFB Bible college and a IFB seminary in-town and their associated churches that I attended many of in all of my childhood years. Both schools held very longstanding white-only admissions. The pastors of the churches I attended admonished interracial marriages from the pulpit, claimed dark skin as a curse of sin, presented actual pregnant teens to be chastised in front of the congregation (one was pregnant with the pastor’s child which is a whole new level), Jews and Catholics (the people not the faiths) were attacked in sermons and on the outdoor bulletin signs, and one even preached that the gates of hell were burst wide open for Billy Graham at his death. I never saw Christ through these congregations. I saw hate-filled doctrine indoctrinating sanctuaries of lost and scared souls. As an adult I left the IFB and for only that reason alone my own family will not speak to me though I continue to be a believer in salvation through Christ alone. Those churches were life-altering for me and I would be much the better for it if I had never been a part of them.
Off topic question : I have just now become aware of a controversy involving in earth as opposed to on earth I just got banned from a channel torrent asking can you explain
I’m from Romania and grew up in a Pentecostal church. Pentecostals and Baptists in my country are very close to each other and many times we visit each other churches. In the 80’s we even got together for prayer meetings. Basically there’s no difference besides the Romanian Pentecostals believe that tongues have not seized. I even married a Romanian Baptist woman and we’re happily married for 22 years. I go to an IFB Congregation now here in US for the past 9 years and reminds me of the Romanian Pentecostal church when it comes down to Preaching and songs. We even pray on our knees or together and have family prayer meetings. It’s funny that even our pastor sometimes says we’re BaptiCostals. 😂 Also to mention that our Congregation has over 20 different nationalities. 🙏🙏🙏… And over 20% of people come from former Pentecostal denomination. Yahweh is so awesome when brings together so many different nationalities and denominations!
So glad I'm a believer and trust in Christ...not IFB, SBC, PB & J, or whatever denominations created! I am part of the body of Christ...along with some of my Baptist, Charasmatic, Pentecostal, Reformed, and other brothers. I have found out that ALL has misguided and misplaced doctrinal beliefs! As even I still do, as I try to get closer the the Truth. The body of Christ is made of many denominations!
With your ecumenical idealism, how do personally reconcile for yourself all of them being part of the body of Christ, when they have diametrically opposing practices and beliefs? Such as infant baptism vs adult baptism. Women pastors vs men only pastors. Homosexuality allowed vs no homosexuality allowed. Talking in tongues vs no talking in tongues. Etc. Do you not find that you choose one position over the other as being biblically correct, thereby rejecting the other position? Or do you just accept everything as being equally valid and don't stand by any particular set of biblical beliefs?
Ecumenical ideas are what will lead to the one world religion and worship of the Antichrist. Be careful about uniting and yoking up with others that believe damnable heresies and assuming that they are all brothers and sisters when many are not even born again. 2 Peter 2:1-3 2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Depends on the kind of IFB church; some definitely say you have to get baptized by a Baptist church; some (like the New IFB), won't even ask for you to be baptized even if you got baptized by an unsaved person; as long as you were saved, then you're all good.
I genuinely wonder how they would understand Heb 12:23 "...the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of [the] righteous made perfect...". Any IFB'ers out there that can explain their teaching as to this verse? Thanks
New Jerusalem where all the born again believers live with Jesus. They didn't get there by water baptism or confession or eucharist. They got there by faith in Paul's gospel 1 cor 15: 1-4
There's also a small sect called the "New" IFB. They hold a mid-tribulation view and are much more strict on modesty standards. Some IFB churches do not hold the modesty dress standards and I would know because I've attended IFB churches since I was in nursery
Is Westboro Baptist an independent fundamental Baptist church? I would like to see a video about what they believe and how it has led to their inflammatory rhetoric, though it doesn't seem like they have been in the news lately.
That's why they call them "independent". They are all going to have disagreements over doctrine. One IFB preacher or person is not going to necessarily endorse what all other "IFB" people say so it's not fair to group them all together. It's best to listen to different preachers to learn more and not fall victim to the cult of personality.
@@MrJimMac It’s because they’re all independent of each other, nobody pulls the strings over these churches! I don’t know how many of these churches there are, but they are all different, not cookie cutter or rubber stamped!
I have found most of your presentations to be done fairly and accurately. The IFB movement has evolved through the years and become more insular and divided than when I first joined an independent Baptist church in 1976. I was saved and baptized in a community church and the Baptist church which I joined did not require me to be rebaptized. Though I preach from the KJV exclusively, I find the other versions helpful. I have not evolved with the movement. The infiltration of King James Onlyism, from my personal observation, did not begin until the mid 1970's. I pastor an independent Baptist church. I think it is important to recognize the wide diversity of independent Baptists. Many can be defined by fellowships, (e.g. - Bible Baptist Fellowship, GARBC, American Baptist Association) others by schools, (Tennessee Temple, Pensacola, Bob Jones University).
I am King James only but I am not King James ugly. I have found proponents of the NIV and ESV to be some of the most hateful "Christians" I have ever met. By the way, here's a True or False statement I have always liked, because anyone with a brain knows the answer without trying to wiggle around it. True or False: "Things that are different are not the same." Keep that in mind when these Bible "versions" contradict one another. Ask yourself, What version is God's Word, since (we know) God can't contradict Himself.
I think the Bible teaches you how to love. Or teaches you you've got to find it. If you loved people none of those boarding schools by IBF would ever oppress and torture teenage girls, or paddle them (which is actually inappropriate of them to begin with) and that Camp Tracey that closed down too from Harvest Baptist Church which was a cesspool of hate and oppression and torture and all manner of pedophilia and rape and "corporal punishment" in the name of "god" Rigid fundamentalism is dangerous, has nothing to do with God or love. It says a parent is to discipline their children, not two men both paddling one teenage girl after another groping each of them after having them pull their pants down or paddle a baby in front of everyone till after he's even done crying! So where's your love then for these girls? The boys too suffered abuse at the camp and by gay staff members, gay couselors.@@LondonFogg
Where does it say in the Bible, a man shall punish a girl with a paddle? Like these awful boarding schools and camps do! I'm against a man laying a finger on a girl let alone discipling them! They went too far at that camp...and I pray they will receive their due recompense for it, they're due punishment for their sick sexual desire!@@LondonFogg
Yes, but it was hijacked by these people due to the culture that allowed them to get hijacked. Most IFB pastors I know are not ok with the men you mentioned. However, the church they pastor has the same culture of fear and control that is synonymous with those men. Have a great day.
Putting Peter Ruckman and Jack hyles in one corner is like calling AOC a Conservative and Ron Desantis a lefty socialist. Peter ruckman is literally a weirdo, was always a wolf in sheep clothing. If your issue with the ifb is king james only then use whatever redacted bible you want.
1. FBCH & Jack Hyles didn't "highjack" the IFB, he brought them to recognition. 2. Ruckman was a lone wolf & not hardly talked about w/i the movement. 3. Anderson is an "off shoot" & doesn't even CLAIM to be IFB. In fact, preaches AGAINST the IFB & the badge he wears ever so proudly is the NIFB which is *VERY* different on many levels.
I just finished reading "I Fired God", am important book with a very unfortunate title. Author grew up in an IFB church and spent time at Bob Jones' (sad excuse for a) University. It is a worthwhile read to find out how abuse can run rampant in these churches. Women are allowed no agency of their own. Joyful submission to the husband is demanded in all things (and I do mean all things.) Most pastors are great fans of corporal punishment and breaking the will of the child. Dozens of IFB pastors have been caught on tape telling their people that if you are not bruising the child, you are not spanking hard enough. Not all families are abusive, but it does happen often and the church will NOT come to a child's defense no matter how hard they are beaten. Fathers rule their families and no one may interfere. Calling on police or Child Protective Services is considered unbiblical and out of God's will. Ministers are king in their congregations and no disagreement is tolerated. Not all pastors are abusive with their power, but if one is, there is nothing you can do about it. They have what Bob Jones called a doctrine of separation. They regard all other churches as liberal and compromised. For instance: Young people are heavily dissuaded from going to Moody Bible Institute. Too compromised. Several ministers refused to work with Focus on the Family. Too compromised. Members may not listen to contemporary Christian music. Too worldly (sorry, no K-Love for you). Bob Jones Jr. said of Billy Graham that he "is doing more harm to the cause of Christ than any living man. He is a heretic." If you want, see the documentary "Independent Fundamental Baptists 20/20" or read "I Fired God" and ignore the title. The author did not walk away from God, she walked away from abuse in the name of God. At least be prepared if you are thinking of going anywhere near one of these churches.
Very good analysis except for the Lords supper. Some Independent Baptist churches do use wine for the Lords supper and always have. Most Baptist Church Covenants is an article that says not to use alcohol as a beverage. And they don’t but they do use alcohol as an element of the Lords Supper and always have.
Is there any significant difference between the IFB and the NIFB guys I see advocating for firing squads? (Steven Anderson, and Johnathan Shelley being two prominent examples) The beliefs described here seem to overlap entirely with the clips of them I've seen.
From what I’ve understood the NIFB guys are very anti-Calvinist and anti-Dispensational. They are post-trib premillennialists. And emphasize “hard preaching.” To me, their sermons focus too much on “what can I preach against?”. Instead of expounding on the Word of God and preaching the Gospel.
I've never heard the term NIFB, but I have seen sermons by Steven Anderson. Just like the infamous Westboro Baptist Church, they are an extreme wing that might call themselves IFB, but even most IFB churches would not want to be associated with them (I say that as someone who grew up in IFB churches). Just like there are many differences between people inside the Republican and Democratic parties, and some extreme people who those parties wish didn't carry their label, there are wings of most denominations that other parts of the denomination wish were not there. In this case, since IFB churches are intentionally independent, it's not like there's even a denominational convention to kick them out of.
@@JonesDaBaptist what was I Strawmanning? It’s just what I’ve noticed. Also, when they do talk salvation, it’s always, “I got this person saved.” Salvation is from the Lord, you didn’t do anything.
I think the little video covers it. I'm an independent Baptist pastor. The issue of repentance is obviously controversial in this day, the phraseology that people use repent of your sins isn't in the Bible so it causes controversy. I believe the idea in scripture is repentance is essential for salvation in it implies twofold a turning to Christ by faith and embracing Him as your Saviour and a change of mind on what you depended upon for your salvation before Christ. The idea is "repentance towards God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" When God repents in the Bible, He changes His mind When Christians repent in the Bible they turn from sin. When lost people repent in the Bible, they turn to Jesus Christ for the salvation of their soul, or to Bible salvation however you want to put it.
They're allergic, it seems. Steven Anderson himself claimed that Constantine had Baptists tortured in the dungeons under Hagia Sophia...which wasn't built until 200 years after Constantine's death.
Dressing up for church is not a requirement except for those in leadership. Our church tries to maintain some modest standards in dress, but we love and welcome people no matter how they choose to dress.
I would just say to not judge all independent Baptist churches by the few that make the news or run bible colleges. There are definitely things happening in churches and with their leadership that shouldn’t be and that’s sad. It’s the church that should be a refuge and help to hurting people and not the one doing the hurting. There are churches that being a smile to God’s face. Get out there here and find one and plug your self into and be a part of the solution.
Good job. I'm currently an IFB, simply because it is the closest to the bible I can find. I have been to several and they really can be so different from each other. My current church is the most flexible one I've ever been to. My personal beliefs differ from the official church position on non-doctrinal issues, so it's probably a good thing they don't let women preach.
What he didn't mention is a church can Independent Baptist but not Independent Fundamental Baptist. There is also some camps within the IFB that do have some wrong thinking and also some lean heavily on a particular Church and it's Pastor as the rule or standard of how things could or should be done or believe.
I was trained in and taught in the IFB denomination for several years. I’ve never heard of one not teaching repentance (acknowledgment of and turning from your sin) as a required step toward salvation and while they are independent they are still a close nit group with those of the same teaching. Nor have I heard of any denying the universal church. I’m not saying your wrong on those two points, just that if those views are held by a minority they are so small that I never encountered them despite teaching overseas, on the east coast and on the west coast in that denomination. Unfortunately they have gone from a preference for the KJV to some teaching it is actually inspired. This despite the fact that a prominent founding figure of the group in one of his books said that while he despised the RSV “as the translators (all but one) were openly avowed modernist who did not believe in the Bible or the deity of Christ” he felt that the ASV (at that time) was the most accurate translation available (John R. Rice, Here is my Question, 1962, question 46, page 59). He even points out that the ASV was able to take advantage of manuscripts not available to the KJV translators. Something they disregard (or discredit) today as being of any value for any translation. I miss several things about the IFBC in this day when many Baptist have embraced either Liberalism or Calvinism but I am not sure KJV idolism is any less wrong, and I don’t miss the legalism so common among their congregations. Though I confess my doctrine hasn’t changed much (if any) since I moved to the Conservative Baptist.
FYI some may dislike that I used the term “denomination” for the IFB but despite their dislike of the term they are in fact a loose denomination in many ways.
The works not necessary for salvation probably explains why so many IFBs are such incredibly unpleasant human beings. How is that reconciled with James 2:26?
After being saved by belief in the blood atonement of christ you are imbued with the holy spirit. Because of this indwelling of the holy ghost you are moved to perform good works such as evangelising. Bringing souls to the Lord is the most important of all. If you don’t perform these works you don’t produce any fruit (add souls to the church- the body of Christ) your belief is in vain. Check out the parable of Luke 19:11. Also Romans 3 and 8.
Can somebody please help me understand the subset of IFB Baptists who don't believe baptism is necessary for salvation but that baptisms are only valid if they're done by Baptists? What does validity mean when it's entirely symbolic? I don't understand.
Baptists don't believe marriage is necessary for salvation but they still believe it has to be between one man and one woman to be valid. That's because validity of a practice has nothing to do with whether it is necessary for salvation. Your argument is basically equivalent to saying "If they don't believe marriage is necessary for salvation, then why do they care if it's between a man and a man?" Baptism is what adds a person to the local church and required before voting or taking the Lord's Supper, Baptism is a step of obedience God requires. Baptism is a public profession of one's faith to the congregation. There's lots of things that baptism is, and therefore, if the baptism is invalid, things that it is not.
"Can somebody please help me understand the subset of IFB Baptists who don't believe baptism is necessary for salvation but that baptisms are only valid if they're done by Baptists?" It has to do with the doctrine of where they were baptized, if they do not find the doctrine to be sound of where the person was originally baptized some tend to do this. This is because baptism is viewed as a public profession of faith within the purview of certain doctrines, they want you to observe and confess to what they find to be as sound doctrine. "What does validity mean when it's entirely symbolic? I don't understand." Validity has to do with the doctrines of the church of where the person was being baptized, although (at least according to other IFB including myself) you do not need a valid baptism to be saved, you do need one to pursue a better walk in Christ.
@@__-tn6hw OK thank you. I hope my question didn't come across as dismissive or combative. The word 'necessary' in this context given the Baptist view on baptism wasn't clear to me.
@timemaytell4669 I believe the KJV is the perfect word of God. You have nothing to claim ... That means you're lost! What? You can pick and choose what you want to believe in the Bible?? Lol
The problem most don’t know what Doctrine they are and what they believe. John 6:28-29. Tells you the Works of God. John 6:40. Tells you the Will of God.
I came to notice the same thing. Only real doctrinal difference is that many in Calvary seem to think you can "give up" your salvation, whereas IFB types would say never.
@@random-J Not all in Calvary think that though. And the ones that do only think that it would be in terms of apostasy. I would disagree though and say that if someone does leave and commits apostasy that they were never truly saved to begin with.
Peter Ruckman considered himself to be Baptist and he was a hardcore contender for the King James Bible. God gifted him as a teacher but because he was a sinful man like the rest of us, he held certain controversial beliefs that not everyone will agree with, not even those that have learned from him.
I know a pastor (not baptist) that was an alcoholic before he was saved. Every once in a while a church member would send this pastor a bottle of alcohol to try to tempt him and make him fall.
This is pretty accurate. A landmark IFB believes they re the only ones who will be in the bride of Christ and allowed into the New Jerusalem. They believe other Chritians will live on the outskirts of heaven.
I chuckled at the idea of Steven Anderson and Greg Locke in the elite core neighbourhood of Heaven with Jesus, while the likes of Sts Polycarp, Justin Martyr, and Ignatius of Antioch are kept out in the suburbs with the other second-class rabble.
I am sure there are more moderate IFB churches that aren't KJV Only, do not insist on formal dress standards and not so hung up about Contemporary Christian Music. These I would have a lot of time for and the lines between them and non-denom Bible churches who I would identify with are very blurred and only really distinguishable by retention of the title Baptist on their billboard. They probably get viewed with suspicion by the more hardline IFB'ers.
Yes ,They are called pentecostals or reformed Baptists or progressive Baptists, boundaries are there so churches don't liberalise like the southern Baptists years ago.
I guess I am an independent baptist, as we're not part of a convention, but it's not in our name. I agree with most of the video except the eschatology.
That is absolutely the church I grew up in. A comment was once made about me, as a teen boy, wearing sandals to church. My response was that Jesus did it. When I was looking at a Bible college, they tried to talk me out of going to one that had a small association with multiple churches, as that isn't independent. Women who had an abortion should repent or be given capital punishment as being guilty of premeditated murder. The doctor as well. But that should be dealt out by the government, not a sniper in a bush. I should also mention that these were also the MOST genuine believers I had ever known. They would do anything to help a church member in need and go out of their way, even at personal cost or harm, to do what they thought was right.
As an independent fundamental baptist myself, you did very well summarizing the beliefs, but not making generalizations for some of the things that only certain IFB churches believe.
I've been either in or around the IBF all of my life. I went to Baptist Bible College in Springfield Mo. Unfortunately, in the world in which we live, even saved people are not perfect. So, no matter where you go to church you will still be around flawed people. Hopefully, the church that you go to will teach the doctrines of the gospel of Jesus Christ correctly. Salvation is provided by God through the miricle of the Virgin birth of Jesus and his perfect life and ministry and then what really saves us is His death, burial and resurrection from the dead on the 3rd day. Jesus Christ died and paid for all of our sins on the Cross. We are born Spiritually into the family of God as Jesus explains in John chapter 3 KJV. It's not complicated. Memorize John 5:24 KJV.
While I agree with their theology, I have problems with those who have become Pharisaic in their attitude, adopting a "holier than thou" posture and insisting on correcting those who disagree with their position not with love but with absolute venom.
@@__-tn6hw IFB's reject Calvinist doctrine. There are independent Reformed Baptist congregations (which like IFB's withdrew from denominations such as SBC) but this video isn't about those groups.
@@doremifasola9416 Nowadays there are multiple interpretations of this selection of verses. IFB does their best to have a doctrine of predestination that confirms all of what is said in scripture, including Ephesians 1.
@@__-tn6hw Not everything in Scripture needs to be interpreted, especially where the meaning is plain and obvious. Words like elect, predestined, and chosen don't need to be interpreted because they have the same meaning in Scripture as in any other writings and in every context. The meaning of words like free and gift can be argued about by those who don't want to accept salvation without works. Those who want to give a different meaning to Ephesians 1 shouldn't attempt to do so until they have found equally clear Scriptures stating that salvation is obtained by human will not God's will, in which case it would be works, not grace. The Bible tells us that no one seeks God. IT also tells us that God doesn't want everyone to be converted and saved. Jesus said His sacrifice would be for many not for everyone. The broad road to destruction is full of self converts who think they are saved because they chose to be, but the road to eternal life is narrow with only a few on it. People don't want to choose the real Jesus, the one who is demanding, intolerant, judges harshly unrepentant sinners and wants total love and commitment for Himself. I think the people least likely to argue against God's sovereign election of many but not all are those who have had a supernatural conversion experience during which they instantly believe in Jesus Christ as real, before even knowing Him or knowing what He is really about, then being drawn to read the Bible and accept its teachings as literally from God, having either never believed before or been sceptical. People who are converted by God this way, learn about Christ after their conversion, not before. They are saved and converted in the same instant.
As an IFB type I was pleasantly surprised at how fair and even-handed this was.
True
Agreed.
That's what you get on this channel. I just object the use of "baptism.is for believers only", but the gentleman making this channel is a Baptist..soon... 😆
Agreed
I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist. This is great and accurate. Thank you for taking your time and accuracy in your presentation of the faith.
Is it true that ifb pastors hate seninary school?
Is it true that ifb pastors hate seminary school?
@javiervega1065 No. Just like any group of people, there are mixed opinions on many things. The overwhelming majority of IFB is all for Bible college, Seminary, and Christian education.
@@TrueLight1611 I don't think so, they train themselves throughout the church. and say that it's not in the bible to go to college or seminary school
I prayed one night for the Lord to open a door of fellowship amd worship in my life because i was a very lonely Christian surrounded by atheists. The very next morning i found a track to the local IFB church amd ive going for years now and they have become such a wonderful family to me. They have taken my hand amd helped guide me to better know Jesus and who I am in Him. I pray that all those who have suffered in any denomination to seek Jesus through bible not man first.
Run far away from dispensational teachings. It's not found in the Bible nor was it apart of church history until about 200 years ago. God bless!
But before you run from dispensationalism as my friend here says... do research. ;-) That's what I'm doing. Both of these claims are classic misrepresentations of it.
@@micahfolkers Nope, these are accurate representations of dispensational theology.
And people who actually want truth will know to research and dig into Scripture for themselves rather than draw their opinions from TH-cam comments
@@micahfolkers That's true and that is what I have done and why I understand you are mistaken.
I am an Independent Fundament Baptist. This video is very accurate.
Tom. Why does your church REMOVE anyone who is speaking in tongues?
I never grew up in that, so when my neighbor, a Catholic boy, joined me and my brother and his wife at a church like yours. Tommy was making sounds. I thought perhaps he was sick. Men REMOVED him and later brought him back in.
I am 70. That was like when I was 19. Tommy 12/13 years old.
I am now realizing Tommy was speaking in tongues. He joined a Pentacostal Church. Tonight, I was invited to worship by live viewing with a church in Little Rock, Arkansas. It was spirit filled.
I don't know what Tommy had to deliver that night. He has been deceased for a number of years. Let God's Holy Outpouring Happen. 🙏
@@maegardnermills4292
We don't believe in "speaking in tongues" because it isn't biblical. The bible never even using the term speaking "in tongues." It talks about speaking "with tongues" or speaking "in other tongues" which means to speak in another known human language. Nowhere in the bible do people get excited and speak in incomprehensible gibberish.
In Acts 2, at Pentecost, the Holy Spirit fell on the church at Jerusalem, and a miracle happened. The miracle was that the members of the church started speaking in various different languages, languages they had never learned, allowing them to preach about Jesus to people assembled for Pentecost that spoke those languages. The languages involved are actually listed in the chapter. These were not mysterious, unknown, gibberish languages. They were known human languages that miraculously facilitated communication between people from different countries. That's why it was a miracle. And it was symbolic of the fact that the gospel, because of the anointing of the Holy Spirit on believers, would be preached far and wide into many nations, like it never had been before.
Someone in church speaking in gibberish that doesn't mean anything isn't a miracle, even if someone next to them is pretending to understand the gibberish. "Speaking in tongues," like other Pentecostal practices, isn't biblical, and is a way for people to be led by their emotions to draw attention to themselves and act disorderly in church. It's actually a wicked practice.
...is a "Fundament Baptist"...different than "Fundamentalist Baptist"?
...for instance do "Fundament Baptist" reject educaton?
@@anarchorepublican5954
If someone told me they were a Fundamentalist Baptist, I'd probably assume they meant they were an IFB, like me. More often I've heard it shortened to Independent Baptist.
I wouldn't say the IFB is generally against education. I personally think that it's child abuse at this point to put your kids in public school, and I'm sure many IFB members would agree with me. But I myself am currently working on a post-graduate degree.
I don't think this is covered in the video, but there is a split now, in the IFB, between what's been called the Old IFB and the New IFB. The New IFB was started when a pastor named Steven Anderson started a church in Arizona (I think around 2006) and became popular on TH-cam. He eventually started sending out pastors to start other churches, and some IFB churches around the country became affiliated with him and adopted his variations on traditional IFB doctrine. The churches that followed Steven Anderson's teaching (which are mostly IFB with a few significant changes) became known as the New IFB,
The primary difference between Old and New IFB is that Old IFB are dispensational (they believe that the Rapture happens before the Tribulation and that the promises made to Abraham still apply to the physically Jewish people of today) while the New IFB are not dispensational (they believe that the Rapture happens after the Tribulation and that Christian believers in the New Testament are God's Chosen People, not the physical Jews). The New IFB preach harder against homosexuality, and generally police doctrine more tightly. If I go into a New IFB church, I can be certain that every church member is crystal clear on having the correct gospel, and that probably most everyone is a dedicated soulwinner. (New and Old IFB call door-to-door evangelism "soulwinning".) By contrast, when I go into an Old IFB church it's a crapshoot whether or not the church member sitting next to you is actually saved or not, and you'd likely have to kidnap them at gunpoint to actually get them to go door knocking with you.
I bring up the New IFB/Old IFB distinction, because, like everything else, the New IFB will be more uniform and hardcore on the education issue. At a New IFB they're more likely to accept traditional gender roles and to disparage the usefulness of higher education. So, the wife would more likely stay home with the kids, and the husband would more likely get a job that doesn't involve entangling himself with education. And the New IFB is very much into homeschooling young children. Whereas, at an Old IFB church, you're more likely to find people following our current culture, with the wife working and going to school, the man doing likewise, and the kids not being homeschooled.
Where the New IFB and the Old IFB diverge doctrinally, I tend to agree with the New IFB (such as when it comes to the timing of the Rapture). I myself was one of many who got saved after hearing Pastor Steven Anderson (who started the New IFB) preach the gospel on TH-cam--eleven years ago. I went to a New IFB church for years (of which there are relatively few, compared to the number of Old IFB churches), but have more often gone to Old IFB churches. I can't imagine myself going to any church that isn't Old or New IFB.
If you pick an Independent Baptist church at random somewhere in the country, they'll almost certainly be "Old IFB" and probably won't even be familiar with the New IFB at all, or even be familiar with the Old IFB/New IFB distinction, and are likely to denounce the New IFB if they've even heard of it. But I like them both.
@@anythingafter10 ...thanks for the info...I'll take a deep dive...I think you missed my snide little joke...I'm a huge Bob Hope fan myself...pure comic genius...
Pic of Pastor Chapel! Nice. 55 Years as an IFB Christian. 33 Years a Pastor. I Enjoy the educational presentation of this Channel. Keep up the good work.
You pastor WHERE if I may ask?
I love pastor Chappell ♥️
@@Kman.He’s saying Paul Chappell has been a pastor for 33 years.
YOU DID A GOOD JOB HERE, SO THANKS!!! THERE ARE A FEW MINOR POINTS WHERE INDEPENDANT BAPTIST CHURCHES DIFFER (ONE TO ANOTHER), BUT YOUR REVIEW STILL WAS ON KEY!!!! BUT THE BEST PART OF YOUR VIDEO WAS THAT THERE WERE NO JUDGEMENT CALLS AGAINST INDEPENDANT BAPTIST CHURCHES, A BIG THUMBS UP FOR THAT!!!!!!! AGAIN, GOOD JOB, LORD BLESS!!!!!!!
Thank you for these great and highly informative videos!
You are welcome!
PCC alum here, this was definitely a fun video 😂
Im catholic and love it! I believe the teaching and always felt safe among the church. Never had any bad experiences.
As a Baptist I love Catholics who just love Jesus and want to serve him. Read your Bible its the best source of teachings.
@@RolandmaddogDeschainIf you don't believe in a Church guided by the Holy Spirit the Bible is not worth anything. They compiled the Bible and deemed it cannon because God guided the early church to choose the proper books. Then the protestant movement removed books. More than 66 exist
@@silverecho1201 What church is guided by the Holy Spirit?
@@VincentDavito The East Orthodox Church
@@silverecho1201 Wrong, the Holy Spirit guides no church. The Holy Spirit guides the people in the church, and the East Orthodox Church is not one of them. They teach a works salvation. You have to ask yourself this question, what is the will of the Father? Answer: John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
God only wants us to believe in Jesus Christ. With this belief, works will follow.
Thank you for all you do ❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️
Another great video about another great Baptist denomination.
I know a lot of people who go to IFB churches.... You have a good understanding of who they are. Good job.
How do you keep all these straight? Great job boiling down all the different beliefs fairly. Would love to see your study notes.
Thankful to be IFB after seeing so many different denominations and raised Missionary Baptist.
IFB is a cult
@@POTATOSOOPS which church did you come up in specifically?
@@Micah4_12 IFB.
Well the devil steals many away from the truth and turns them against it.
@@POTATOSOOPS I think you mean the NIFB like Steve Anderson's, they teach gays can't get saved no matter what , Jesus burned in hell , post tribulation rapture, they are very violent and rude, they teach repentance is a work having nothing to do with salvation. I'm not NIFB , I am IFB, and I can assure you we are not a cult and don't believe the things the NIFB teach
I’m a former IFB. I love baptists.
The problem with the denomination is that their exclusivist tendencies make them extremely tribalistic, often very unwelcoming to visitors and outsiders and judgmental of any who are not a fellow IFB, even other Christians.
Their independent ecclesiology means that there is extreme variance from church to church, some may be the sweetest folks you could ever meet, some border on being outright cultish. Depends mostly on the character of the pastor.
I come from the latter type. The pastor claims to be under Christ, but in truth, he’s a little dictator. Failure to bow to his whims will result in excommunication. The structure of these churches makes them extremely susceptible to that kind of environment. I would not recommend these churches to anyone.
what are you now?
this is my personal experience as well
@@jamiehayn I’m still a Christian, though I doubt I fit very neatly into any denomination anymore.
Me too. I have a hard time not having a bad attitude towards IFBs because of their judgmentalism and false doctrine.
What you experienced is the "personality" of the local church influenced by the personality of its Pastor. That is why no 2 local baptist church, from the same fellowship group, even if the Pastors are literal brothers in the flesh) are the same.
Have you ever thought about starting a Google Sheets file to track the differences/similarities between all these different churches? It would really help see how they all inter-relate :)
Great idea!
Not sure if you’ve seen it, but Useful Charts did a series on Christian Denominations and arranged them into a family tree which you can buy as a poster. Which is what I did.
People pick n choose what they want even though their Bible they say is fact (which it is) says different..it's like they think it's ok to build their own GOD!! ..it's sad and scary.
@@markieffmorris9263 I know. The website "Preacher Boys" has exposed a lot of it. I was in it for 16 years and was taken advantage of by the pastor, which caused a big scandal and shut the church down. I prefer to remain anonymous as that was a horrible time that I am still healing from.
That would be pointless. Churches change. Preachers even change. But... "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." (Heb. 13:8)
He is our foundation. He is the Word; therefore, the Word of God (King James Bible) should be our foundation, not a group, denomination, association or fellowship of churches, or any man.
You did good on this definition! Thank You!
That really took me back to my childhood, nice work
Here in the Philippines, IFB churches are known as “Bible Baptists.” The other two largest Baptist bodies are the “Southern Baptists” and the “Conservative Baptists.” The emerging group that is slowly gaining popularity is the “Reformed Baptists,” that may also be Southern Baptist.
Not really. Although they have similarities, but they are two distinct sects
Reformed Baptists are anti-dispensational Calvinists. Think Charles Spurgeon.
What an accurate video! Thank you for this!
Good work. I've been considering attending an IFB. I agree with most of their beliefs.
Thank you, Joshua 🌹🌹🌾🌹🌹
I'm guessing you already have a bunch of videos planned.
But an idea for possible future videos...could you do a video or videos describing or comparing what it takes to be ordained in different denominations?
As an IFB theologian myself, I appreciate the representation
Is it true that ifb pastors hate seninary school?
I am a Christian, but I told my wife I regret marrying into an IFB family. After several years, most of them have not made me feel welcomed, reached out to me, and place their churches, church camps, church events, church activities above family. The IFB religion and it’s subculture leaves a lot to be desired.
You make some good points. We just joined an IFB church a year ago. Even after a year and lots of volunteering for various church jobs, I still feel like an outsider. I feel like there is a clique of insiders, and the rest of us can just stay outside the circle for all they care. Getting tired of it. About ready to leave it, to be honest.
@@Storytime2023x It's that way in most churches. But it's more fun to go after churches that DO preach a saving Gospel..
I know that's what Satan would do anyway.
The ones I've encountered are truly sick, hateful people.
Do you believe in the Baptist Distinctives and are you a KJV only Christian?
@@Storytime2023x As I asked the guy who you responded to I want to ask you: Do you believe in the Baptist Distinctives and are you a KJV only Christian?
Great presentation! 😊
This is a great overview. I grew up in an IFB church and school. My wife grew up in the Apostolic Lutheran church - a denomination that came from Finland! I would love to hear your overview of the differences of the two!
The difference is that there is no difference. They are all protestant, heretical, blasphemous schismatic groups.
I have visited an Apostolic Lutheran church in Norway a couple of times. I find that they have many similarities, in their way of dealing with theology, and isolate them self's from other churches.
I'd love to see a video about the Bible Baptist denomination that's pretty much the church I grew up in
The comment on grape juice in the Lord's Supper element was awesome! As an IFB I can confirm
the thumbnail picture is a church i’ve been to. it’s first baptist church of hammond.
IFB in the house! Wow good job. Exactly right 👍
Never thought I’d see Solid Rock Baptist Church (church where my college was) in a random video!
Excellent overview! I would add that IFBs have a bi-weekly newspaper called The Sword of the Lord, founded by John R. Rice in the 1940s and going strong today. It does a lot to bring a sense of community and continuity to the IFBs. Nice touch including both Chick tracts and Fellowship Tract League tracts in your presentation. I would also add that most IFBs are very anti-Catholic and are premill-dispensationalists.
The IFB hate Christ. 💯
Chick tracts are legendary.
They are very anti-if you don’t attend our church or another like ours your not saved. I literally got into several arguments with them proving them wrong.
@@randorover-zk7pw As a practicing Roman Catholic myself I find them hilarious!
Amen. As a Fundamental Baptist Member here in Southern Philippines, thanks GOD for we adhere to the Biblical Principles, not on the compromised doctrines which may lead us to a dangerous path. Great is THY Name oh my LORD and Personal Saviour JESUS CHRIST.
I grew up in an IFB “hotspot” with a major IFB Bible college and a IFB seminary in-town and their associated churches that I attended many of in all of my childhood years. Both schools held very longstanding white-only admissions. The pastors of the churches I attended admonished interracial marriages from the pulpit, claimed dark skin as a curse of sin, presented actual pregnant teens to be chastised in front of the congregation (one was pregnant with the pastor’s child which is a whole new level), Jews and Catholics (the people not the faiths) were attacked in sermons and on the outdoor bulletin signs, and one even preached that the gates of hell were burst wide open for Billy Graham at his death. I never saw Christ through these congregations. I saw hate-filled doctrine indoctrinating sanctuaries of lost and scared souls. As an adult I left the IFB and for only that reason alone my own family will not speak to me though I continue to be a believer in salvation through Christ alone. Those churches were life-altering for me and I would be much the better for it if I had never been a part of them.
Wow, I've never in my life. I wonder if this is why there is the new independent fundamental Baptist. Sounds like it to me.
Ifb' s don't believe in colleges or seminary school
Amen, really great job, thank you.
Could you do one on the new ifb?
I hope the NIFB will be next.
Very good on point
Off topic question : I have just now become aware of a controversy involving in earth as opposed to on earth I just got banned from a channel torrent asking can you explain
do one on the new independent fundamental baptists
This was fairly accurate, well done, i am part of the “few exceptions” about the pre trib rapture, we believe in the post trib/ pre wrath rapture
I’m from Romania and grew up in a Pentecostal church. Pentecostals and Baptists in my country are very close to each other and many times we visit each other churches. In the 80’s we even got together for prayer meetings. Basically there’s no difference besides the Romanian Pentecostals believe that tongues have not seized.
I even married a Romanian Baptist woman and we’re happily married for 22 years.
I go to an IFB Congregation now here in US for the past 9 years and reminds me of the Romanian Pentecostal church when it comes down to Preaching and songs.
We even pray on our knees or together and have family prayer meetings.
It’s funny that even our pastor sometimes says we’re BaptiCostals. 😂
Also to mention that our Congregation has over 20 different nationalities. 🙏🙏🙏…
And over 20% of people come from former Pentecostal denomination.
Yahweh is so awesome when brings together so many different nationalities and denominations!
Do a video on Baptist reformed and general
baptists arent reformed
So glad I'm a believer and trust in Christ...not IFB, SBC, PB & J, or whatever denominations created! I am part of the body of Christ...along with some of my Baptist, Charasmatic, Pentecostal, Reformed, and other brothers. I have found out that ALL has misguided and misplaced doctrinal beliefs! As even I still do, as I try to get closer the the Truth. The body of Christ is made of many denominations!
With your ecumenical idealism, how do personally reconcile for yourself all of them being part of the body of Christ, when they have diametrically opposing practices and beliefs?
Such as infant baptism vs adult baptism.
Women pastors vs men only pastors.
Homosexuality allowed vs no homosexuality allowed.
Talking in tongues vs no talking in tongues.
Etc.
Do you not find that you choose one position over the other as being biblically correct, thereby rejecting the other position?
Or do you just accept everything as being equally valid and don't stand by any particular set of biblical beliefs?
Ecumenical ideas are what will lead to the one world religion and worship of the Antichrist. Be careful about uniting and yoking up with others that believe damnable heresies and assuming that they are all brothers and sisters when many are not even born again.
2 Peter 2:1-3
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
They all can't be right simultaneously if all are different. #MidactsD #RightlyDivide
I agree!
Apparently my beliefs are almost the same as IFBs. I need to find an IFB church in my area. Thanks Joshua!
Stay away from NIFB, they are a cult.
I know of a good one in az
I'm sure you can search some out on your own, but where is it you live...the general area?
This is a very large influential group isn’t it? Do you have any more in depth on IFB?
The distinction the IFB makes is not that someone must be baptized by a Baptist church but baptized by a saved church.
Depends on the kind of IFB church; some definitely say you have to get baptized by a Baptist church; some (like the New IFB), won't even ask for you to be baptized even if you got baptized by an unsaved person; as long as you were saved, then you're all good.
Good job. How about one on the IFCA?
Tomorrow - full-length video on IFCA.
I genuinely wonder how they would understand Heb 12:23 "...the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of [the] righteous made perfect...". Any IFB'ers out there that can explain their teaching as to this verse? Thanks
New Jerusalem where all the born again believers live with Jesus. They didn't get there by water baptism or confession or eucharist. They got there by faith in Paul's gospel 1 cor 15: 1-4
You should do the New Independent Fundamental Baptist. The NIFB.
Amen! Spot on😁
Hello can you give tracks for soul winning for sharing the im a pastor of fundamental baptist of the Philippines
There's also a small sect called the "New" IFB.
They hold a mid-tribulation view and are much more strict on modesty standards.
Some IFB churches do not hold the modesty dress standards and I would know because I've attended IFB churches since I was in nursery
We prefer the term “post trib pre wrath” as opposed to mid trib, NFIB here
I got rickrolled by an insurance ad.
How do they feel about the antebellum south?
I am better reading in Ancient Hebrew, Kione Greek, and Aramaic. Is it okay for me to read the MT and LXX?
Do a video on KJV only groups
Yeah. That's interesting because there's KJVs with some language updates that aren't obviously announced.
You should do a video on Kimbanguism!
Is Westboro Baptist an independent fundamental Baptist church? I would like to see a video about what they believe and how it has led to their inflammatory rhetoric, though it doesn't seem like they have been in the news lately.
They define themselves as Primitive Baptists. Though I believe they were originally started as an IFB congregation.
Westboro Baptist is just a family that likes to turn people away from Christ. They are not Christian. We can know them by their fruit.
It is worth noting that even within IFB there's a split between Ruckman types and Hyles types.
Oh come on. 😂
There are a lot more splits than that!
There's Ruckmanites, Hyles types, BJU types, Southern Camp meeting crowd, Crown College types, and more!
That's why they call them "independent". They are all going to have disagreements over doctrine. One IFB preacher or person is not going to necessarily endorse what all other "IFB" people say so it's not fair to group them all together. It's best to listen to different preachers to learn more and not fall victim to the cult of personality.
@@MrJimMac
It’s because they’re all independent of each other, nobody pulls the strings over these churches! I don’t know how many of these churches there are, but they are all different, not cookie cutter or rubber stamped!
I have found most of your presentations to be done fairly and accurately. The IFB movement has evolved through the years and become more insular and divided than when I first joined an independent Baptist church in 1976. I was saved and baptized in a community church and the Baptist church which I joined did not require me to be rebaptized. Though I preach from the KJV exclusively, I find the other versions helpful. I have not evolved with the movement. The infiltration of King James Onlyism, from my personal observation, did not begin until the mid 1970's. I pastor an independent Baptist church. I think it is important to recognize the wide diversity of independent Baptists. Many can be defined by fellowships, (e.g. - Bible Baptist Fellowship, GARBC, American Baptist Association) others by schools, (Tennessee Temple, Pensacola, Bob Jones University).
I am King James only but I am not King James ugly.
I have found proponents of the NIV and ESV to be some of the most hateful "Christians" I have ever met.
By the way, here's a True or False statement I have always liked, because anyone with a brain knows the answer without trying to wiggle around it. True or False:
"Things that are different are not the same."
Keep that in mind when these Bible "versions" contradict one another.
Ask yourself, What version is God's Word, since (we know) God can't contradict Himself.
I think the Bible teaches you how to love. Or teaches you you've got to find it. If you loved people none of those boarding schools by IBF would ever oppress and torture teenage girls, or paddle them (which is actually inappropriate of them to begin with) and that Camp Tracey that closed down too from Harvest Baptist Church which was a cesspool of hate and oppression and torture and all manner of pedophilia and rape and "corporal punishment" in the name of "god" Rigid fundamentalism is dangerous, has nothing to do with God or love. It says a parent is to discipline their children, not two men both paddling one teenage girl after another groping each of them after having them pull their pants down or paddle a baby in front of everyone till after he's even done crying! So where's your love then for these girls? The boys too suffered abuse at the camp and by gay staff members, gay couselors.@@LondonFogg
Where does it say in the Bible, a man shall punish a girl with a paddle? Like these awful boarding schools and camps do! I'm against a man laying a finger on a girl let alone discipling them! They went too far at that camp...and I pray they will receive their due recompense for it, they're due punishment for their sick sexual desire!@@LondonFogg
It’s such a shame that the IFB basically got hijacked with the likes of Jack Hyles, Peter Ruckman, and Steven Anderson. Breaks my heart.
Yes, but it was hijacked by these people due to the culture that allowed them to get hijacked. Most IFB pastors I know are not ok with the men you mentioned. However, the church they pastor has the same culture of fear and control that is synonymous with those men. Have a great day.
Amen I agree. I'm a Baptist use a kjv :)
Putting Peter Ruckman and Jack hyles in one corner is like calling AOC a Conservative and Ron Desantis a lefty socialist. Peter ruckman is literally a weirdo, was always a wolf in sheep clothing. If your issue with the ifb is king james only then use whatever redacted bible you want.
bad theology draws bad actors
1. FBCH & Jack Hyles didn't "highjack" the IFB, he brought them to recognition.
2. Ruckman was a lone wolf & not hardly talked about w/i the movement.
3. Anderson is an "off shoot" & doesn't even CLAIM to be IFB. In fact, preaches AGAINST the IFB & the badge he wears ever so proudly is the NIFB which is *VERY* different on many levels.
I grew up in an IFB and now that church is no more 😢. I’m currently looking for a new one where I live in Maryland. I haven’t had any luck as of yet
This seems remarkably similar to the Church of Christ... Can you do a comparison video between them?
If you have not seen this, take a look: th-cam.com/video/Y-gvLiUlcGk/w-d-xo.html
I just finished reading "I Fired God", am important book with a very unfortunate title. Author grew up in an IFB church and spent time at Bob Jones' (sad excuse for a) University. It is a worthwhile read to find out how abuse can run rampant in these churches. Women are allowed no agency of their own. Joyful submission to the husband is demanded in all things (and I do mean all things.) Most pastors are great fans of corporal punishment and breaking the will of the child. Dozens of IFB pastors have been caught on tape telling their people that if you are not bruising the child, you are not spanking hard enough. Not all families are abusive, but it does happen often and the church will NOT come to a child's defense no matter how hard they are beaten. Fathers rule their families and no one may interfere. Calling on police or Child Protective Services is considered unbiblical and out of God's will. Ministers are king in their congregations and no disagreement is tolerated. Not all pastors are abusive with their power, but if one is, there is nothing you can do about it. They have what Bob Jones called a doctrine of separation. They regard all other churches as liberal and compromised. For instance:
Young people are heavily dissuaded from going to Moody Bible Institute. Too compromised.
Several ministers refused to work with Focus on the Family. Too compromised.
Members may not listen to contemporary Christian music. Too worldly (sorry, no K-Love for you).
Bob Jones Jr. said of Billy Graham that he "is doing more harm to the cause of Christ than any living man. He is a heretic."
If you want, see the documentary "Independent Fundamental Baptists 20/20" or read "I Fired God" and ignore the title. The author did not walk away from God, she walked away from abuse in the name of God. At least be prepared if you are thinking of going anywhere near one of these churches.
As an Independent Baptist, this is accurate description.
Very good analysis except for the Lords supper. Some Independent Baptist churches do use wine for the Lords supper and always have. Most Baptist Church Covenants is an article that says not to use alcohol as a beverage. And they don’t but they do use alcohol as an element of the Lords Supper and always have.
Is there any significant difference between the IFB and the NIFB guys I see advocating for firing squads? (Steven Anderson, and Johnathan Shelley being two prominent examples) The beliefs described here seem to overlap entirely with the clips of them I've seen.
Steve Anderson? The pastor who tells homosexual people to off themselves?
From what I’ve understood the NIFB guys are very anti-Calvinist and anti-Dispensational. They are post-trib premillennialists. And emphasize “hard preaching.”
To me, their sermons focus too much on “what can I preach against?”. Instead of expounding on the Word of God and preaching the Gospel.
I've never heard the term NIFB, but I have seen sermons by Steven Anderson. Just like the infamous Westboro Baptist Church, they are an extreme wing that might call themselves IFB, but even most IFB churches would not want to be associated with them (I say that as someone who grew up in IFB churches). Just like there are many differences between people inside the Republican and Democratic parties, and some extreme people who those parties wish didn't carry their label, there are wings of most denominations that other parts of the denomination wish were not there. In this case, since IFB churches are intentionally independent, it's not like there's even a denominational convention to kick them out of.
Well with Johnathan Shelley, he was calling for the death penalty which is different than what Anderson said.
@@JonesDaBaptist what was I Strawmanning? It’s just what I’ve noticed. Also, when they do talk salvation, it’s always, “I got this person saved.” Salvation is from the Lord, you didn’t do anything.
I think the little video covers it. I'm an independent Baptist pastor.
The issue of repentance is obviously controversial in this day, the phraseology that people use repent of your sins isn't in the Bible so it causes controversy.
I believe the idea in scripture is repentance is essential for salvation in it implies twofold a turning to Christ by faith and embracing Him as your Saviour and a change of mind on what you depended upon for your salvation before Christ.
The idea is "repentance towards God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ"
When God repents in the Bible, He changes His mind
When Christians repent in the Bible they turn from sin.
When lost people repent in the Bible, they turn to Jesus Christ for the salvation of their soul, or to Bible salvation however you want to put it.
This video made by a pharisee to mock
1:47 Do they ever read a history book or an encyclopedia?
They're allergic, it seems. Steven Anderson himself claimed that Constantine had Baptists tortured in the dungeons under Hagia Sophia...which wasn't built until 200 years after Constantine's death.
If works are not necessary for salvation, why is dressing up for Church required?
Likewise for their long list of unbiblical rules they're required to follow about not drinking alcohol, not dancing, not playing cards, etc.
Dressing up for church is not a requirement except for those in leadership. Our church tries to maintain some modest standards in dress, but we love and welcome people no matter how they choose to dress.
This is very accurate.
I would just say to not judge all independent Baptist churches by the few that make the news or run bible colleges. There are definitely things happening in churches and with their leadership that shouldn’t be and that’s sad.
It’s the church that should be a refuge and help to hurting people and not the one doing the hurting.
There are churches that being a smile to God’s face. Get out there here and find one and plug your self into and be a part of the solution.
Good job. I'm currently an IFB, simply because it is the closest to the bible I can find. I have been to several and they really can be so different from each other. My current church is the most flexible one I've ever been to. My personal beliefs differ from the official church position on non-doctrinal issues, so it's probably a good thing they don't let women preach.
I grew up IFB and this is %100 accuratee in my experience.
What he didn't mention is a church can Independent Baptist but not Independent Fundamental Baptist. There is also some camps within the IFB that do have some wrong thinking and also some lean heavily on a particular Church and it's Pastor as the rule or standard of how things could or should be done or believe.
I was trained in and taught in the IFB denomination for several years. I’ve never heard of one not teaching repentance (acknowledgment of and turning from your sin) as a required step toward salvation and while they are independent they are still a close nit group with those of the same teaching. Nor have I heard of any denying the universal church. I’m not saying your wrong on those two points, just that if those views are held by a minority they are so small that I never encountered them despite teaching overseas, on the east coast and on the west coast in that denomination.
Unfortunately they have gone from a preference for the KJV to some teaching it is actually inspired. This despite the fact that a prominent founding figure of the group in one of his books said that while he despised the RSV “as the translators (all but one) were openly avowed modernist who did not believe in the Bible or the deity of Christ” he felt that the ASV (at that time) was the most accurate translation available (John R. Rice, Here is my Question, 1962, question 46, page 59). He even points out that the ASV was able to take advantage of manuscripts not available to the KJV translators. Something they disregard (or discredit) today as being of any value for any translation.
I miss several things about the IFBC in this day when many Baptist have embraced either Liberalism or Calvinism but I am not sure KJV idolism is any less wrong, and I don’t miss the legalism so common among their congregations. Though I confess my doctrine hasn’t changed much (if any) since I moved to the Conservative Baptist.
FYI some may dislike that I used the term “denomination” for the IFB but despite their dislike of the term they are in fact a loose denomination in many ways.
The works not necessary for salvation probably explains why so many IFBs are such incredibly unpleasant human beings. How is that reconciled with James 2:26?
Dispensationalism
After being saved by belief in the blood atonement of christ you are imbued with the holy spirit. Because of this indwelling of the holy ghost you are moved to perform good works such as evangelising. Bringing souls to the Lord is the most important of all. If you don’t perform these works you don’t produce any fruit (add souls to the church- the body of Christ) your belief is in vain. Check out the parable of Luke 19:11. Also Romans 3 and 8.
Amen!
Can somebody please help me understand the subset of IFB Baptists who don't believe baptism is necessary for salvation but that baptisms are only valid if they're done by Baptists? What does validity mean when it's entirely symbolic? I don't understand.
they hold the same contradictory view of communion
They are not following the Bible. Baptists have created their own religion separate from Christianity.
Baptists don't believe marriage is necessary for salvation but they still believe it has to be between one man and one woman to be valid. That's because validity of a practice has nothing to do with whether it is necessary for salvation. Your argument is basically equivalent to saying "If they don't believe marriage is necessary for salvation, then why do they care if it's between a man and a man?"
Baptism is what adds a person to the local church and required before voting or taking the Lord's Supper, Baptism is a step of obedience God requires. Baptism is a public profession of one's faith to the congregation. There's lots of things that baptism is, and therefore, if the baptism is invalid, things that it is not.
"Can somebody please help me understand the subset of IFB Baptists who don't believe baptism is necessary for salvation but that baptisms are only valid if they're done by Baptists?"
It has to do with the doctrine of where they were baptized, if they do not find the doctrine to be sound of where the person was originally baptized some tend to do this. This is because baptism is viewed as a public profession of faith within the purview of certain doctrines, they want you to observe and confess to what they find to be as sound doctrine.
"What does validity mean when it's entirely symbolic? I don't understand."
Validity has to do with the doctrines of the church of where the person was being baptized, although (at least according to other IFB including myself) you do not need a valid baptism to be saved, you do need one to pursue a better walk in Christ.
@@__-tn6hw OK thank you. I hope my question didn't come across as dismissive or combative. The word 'necessary' in this context given the Baptist view on baptism wasn't clear to me.
In a word we are ‘Reformed’. So what’s your point exactly?
I'm not an IFB but what Bible do you claim without error? By you saying that, tells me all iI need to know about you.
Do you believe what you believe because of the whole Lost in translation concept?
@timemaytell4669 I believe the KJV is the perfect word of God. You have nothing to claim ...
That means you're lost! What? You can pick and choose what you want to believe in the Bible?? Lol
The problem most don’t know what Doctrine they are and what they believe. John 6:28-29. Tells you the Works of God. John 6:40. Tells you the Will of God.
Seems to me Calvary Chapels and IFB are very similar in many ways doctrinally. Just different style. Same leadership style and same escetology.
I came to notice the same thing. Only real doctrinal difference is that many in Calvary seem to think you can "give up" your salvation, whereas IFB types would say never.
@@glennjohn3919 that isn't a small difference that's the most important difference.
@@random-J Not all in Calvary think that though. And the ones that do only think that it would be in terms of apostasy. I would disagree though and say that if someone does leave and commits apostasy that they were never truly saved to begin with.
What about Ruckmanism? Especially the more controversial aspects.
Peter Ruckman considered himself to be Baptist and he was a hardcore contender for the King James Bible. God gifted him as a teacher but because he was a sinful man like the rest of us, he held certain controversial beliefs that not everyone will agree with, not even those that have learned from him.
I know a pastor (not baptist) that was an alcoholic before he was saved. Every once in a while a church member would send this pastor a bottle of alcohol to try to tempt him and make him fall.
That’s really awful as a recovering alcoholic myself…garbage human being.
This is pretty accurate. A landmark IFB believes they re the only ones who will be in the bride of Christ and allowed into the New Jerusalem. They believe other Chritians will live on the outskirts of heaven.
I chuckled at the idea of Steven Anderson and Greg Locke in the elite core neighbourhood of Heaven with Jesus, while the likes of Sts Polycarp, Justin Martyr, and Ignatius of Antioch are kept out in the suburbs with the other second-class rabble.
I am sure there are more moderate IFB churches that aren't KJV Only, do not insist on formal dress standards and not so hung up about Contemporary Christian Music. These I would have a lot of time for and the lines between them and non-denom Bible churches who I would identify with are very blurred and only really distinguishable by retention of the title Baptist on their billboard. They probably get viewed with suspicion by the more hardline IFB'ers.
Yes ,They are called pentecostals or reformed Baptists or progressive Baptists, boundaries are there so churches don't liberalise like the southern Baptists years ago.
I guess I am an independent baptist, as we're not part of a convention, but it's not in our name. I agree with most of the video except the eschatology.
That is absolutely the church I grew up in. A comment was once made about me, as a teen boy, wearing sandals to church. My response was that Jesus did it. When I was looking at a Bible college, they tried to talk me out of going to one that had a small association with multiple churches, as that isn't independent. Women who had an abortion should repent or be given capital punishment as being guilty of premeditated murder. The doctor as well. But that should be dealt out by the government, not a sniper in a bush. I should also mention that these were also the MOST genuine believers I had ever known. They would do anything to help a church member in need and go out of their way, even at personal cost or harm, to do what they thought was right.
As an independent fundamental baptist myself, you did very well summarizing the beliefs, but not making generalizations for some of the things that only certain IFB churches believe.
I've been either in or around the IBF all of my life. I went to Baptist Bible College in Springfield Mo. Unfortunately, in the world in which we live, even saved people are not perfect. So, no matter where you go to church you will still be around flawed people. Hopefully, the church that you go to will teach the doctrines of the gospel of Jesus Christ correctly. Salvation is provided by God through the miricle of the Virgin birth of Jesus and his perfect life and ministry and then what really saves us is His death, burial and resurrection from the dead on the 3rd day. Jesus Christ died and paid for all of our sins on the Cross. We are born Spiritually into the family of God as Jesus explains in John chapter 3 KJV. It's not complicated.
Memorize John 5:24 KJV.
They believe the words for wine mean grape juice in a positive light
Hmm. This is a pretty good synopsis.
Not all independent fundamental Baptist Baptist churches are king James only I’ve been part of many that aren’t
Can you please investigate/do a video about the Old Apostle Church of Africa. They are a big cult. and have millions following them. Thank you
While I agree with their theology, I have problems with those who have become Pharisaic in their attitude, adopting a "holier than thou" posture and insisting on correcting those who disagree with their position not with love but with absolute venom.
I must belong to a different kind of IFB. We don’t use the KJV only, our Pastor uses a NKJV, others use the NLT or another version.
compromising church I bet the doctrine is messed up too.
@@BRYANDKING03
Nope, the Doctrine is spot on Biblical 100%. Besides the KJV has its issues also.
@@BRYANDKING03 Unless you said that in jest, that was spoken by a true blue KJVO.
Do they also reject the doctrine of predestination?.
Which doctrine of predestination? Nowadays there is more than one; are you referring to predestination as defined by Calvinism?
@@__-tn6hw IFB's reject Calvinist doctrine. There are independent Reformed Baptist congregations (which like IFB's withdrew from denominations such as SBC) but this video isn't about those groups.
@@__-tn6hw Ephesians 1
@@doremifasola9416 Nowadays there are multiple interpretations of this selection of verses. IFB does their best to have a doctrine of predestination that confirms all of what is said in scripture, including Ephesians 1.
@@__-tn6hw Not everything in Scripture needs to be interpreted, especially where the meaning is plain and obvious. Words like elect, predestined, and chosen don't need to be interpreted because they have the same meaning in Scripture as in any other writings and in every context. The meaning of words like free and gift can be argued about by those who don't want to accept salvation without works. Those who want to give a different meaning to Ephesians 1 shouldn't attempt to do so until they have found equally clear Scriptures stating that salvation is obtained by human will not God's will, in which case it would be works, not grace. The Bible tells us that no one seeks God. IT also tells us that God doesn't want everyone to be converted and saved.
Jesus said His sacrifice would be for many not for everyone. The broad road to destruction is full of self converts who think they are saved because they chose to be, but the road to eternal life is narrow with only a few on it. People don't want to choose the real Jesus, the one who is demanding, intolerant, judges harshly unrepentant sinners and wants total love and commitment for Himself.
I think the people least likely to argue against God's sovereign election of many but not all are those who have had a supernatural conversion experience during which they instantly believe in Jesus Christ as real, before even knowing Him or knowing what He is really about, then being drawn to read the Bible and accept its teachings as literally from God, having either never believed before or been sceptical. People who are converted by God this way, learn about Christ after their conversion, not before. They are saved and converted in the same instant.
Interesting, I went to one of these churches for 3 years and it was the best one I ever want to