20+ Types of Baptists Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:23 General Baptists & Particular Baptists
01:20 Free Will Baptists
01:37 Pentecostal Baptists
02:06 Strict Baptists
02:35 Grace Baptists
02:52 Reformed Baptists
03:04 Seventh-day Baptists
03:24 Regular Baptists & Old Regular Baptists
03:58 Separate Baptists
04:38 Origin of the Triennial Convention
05:02 Primitive Baptists & Progressive Primitive Baptists
05:40 Missionary Baptists
05:53 Landmark Baptists
06:40 Historically Black Baptists
07:30 Independent Baptists
08:11 Independent Fundamental Baptists
08:22 Bible Baptists
08:45 Unaffiliated Baptists
08:59 Episcopal Baptists
09:30 Placing the Southern Baptist Convention
10:02 Evangelical Baptists
10:46 Progressive Baptists
11:24 Conclusion
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Dude, outstanding work.
I really enjoyed this video I am a SBC PASTOR I love learning about this stuff
I love Calvin's stuffed Tiger, Hobbes. :-)
Where did you get the shirt that you wear in this video from?
Where would you place Full Gospel Baptist?
Once upon a time, a Baptist got stranded on a deserted island. Years later he was rescued. As he was showing the rescuers his buildings, he pointed out that this was the 2nd Baptist Church. They noticed an exact styled bamboo building up the hill and asked him what that building was. He replied, "Oh, that's 1st Baptist Church, I don't go there any more." 😮
What do you get when you stick two Baptists in a room together?
Five new Baptist denominations.
Once upon a time 10 men got stranded in a desert island. After a while, irreconcilable differences among them arose and half of them set sail for a further island. A few years later, more disputes arose and two of the men set sailed for a third island. Even among these two, disagreements came up and single man left for an even further island. But every night he could see the lights from the mainland, and wondered how he could get back. Little did he know there were people on the mainland waiting for him to come back too.
😂…I’m a Southern Baptist and I think this is funny.
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When you hit "Progressive Primitive Baptist," i burst out laughing. It gets ridiculous after a while.
Same here 👋
I had a mental image of a caveman earnestly studying Richard Cizick and Valarie Kaur.
Also, "Moderately Calvinist"(!?!)
I’m glad you spent some time on the historically black churches. They’re huge but often overlooked
There’s a bunch of Missionary Baptist Churches in my area.
I am a current member of a Free Will Baptist Church that is part of the NAFWB, (and yes we do participate in feet-washing and it is a blessing)... but let's always remember that it's not denomination that saves it's our faith in what Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior did for us on the cross
Me too. Love the church but your right it's Jesus that saves.
FWB is a great group!!
I have been Baptist all my life having been a member of two churches. Both line up doctrinaly and I would consider them the following:
1. Landmark, because we
believe our theology is
consistent and can be
traced back to the church
in Acts. I don't consider us
protestant and not having
come out of the
reformation.
2. We are neither Calvinist or
Arminian (Arminianism is
just an offshoot of
Calvanism). I would
consider us provisionists.
We believe in eternal
security, although not for the
reason as Calvinists.
3. We are libritarian freewill,
evangelical, and
independent.
I enjoyed the video
I grew up in a FWB church, the feet washing, which is usually once a year, is always an incredible experience. It’s so humbling, both to wash another’s feet and to have your own done as well. Always need lots of Kleenex on hand for that one, for the men and women, lol. Idk why other churches don’t do it (Jesus literally said to do it), you don’t HAVE to participate if you don’t want to, but it was always a time of real connection as believers, both to each other and to God.
@@redstateforever tissues because people would cry?
Another great video. I’ve been waiting for this one. So many Baptists.
Bruh it says that message was ten days ago???
@@epicmangames8234 That’s kinda weird.
THANK YOU Joshua. I have been anxious to see a video like this on various Baptists for a long time.
As a Baptist history nut, I was curious to see how you would bring together this vast jigsaw puzzle of Baptists in a short video. Did not think it could be done adequately in this amount of time, but you surprised me! This may be one of the best simple explanations of Baptists I've seen in a long time. I am one of those "provisionists" within the SBC, so I would only counter that the belief in the security of the believer from our point of view is not the same as the Calvinist "perseverance of the saints." There are some critical differences, which leads us to believe we have no agreement whatsoever with the five points of Calvinism. Some attempt to bridge the gap for the sake of unity and peace within the denomination, leading to key leaders of the denomination touting some commonality between the two. But this only comes from those who do not understand the full definitions and teachings behind the catch phrases. I look forward to more of your videos!
I am a Baptist historian as well and I completely agree with you! I have even found several associations of Primitive Baptists who believe like the Provisionists, and were never Calvinists, as the history professors teach. They are a wonderful group of people. They did disagree with mission boards, sunday schools and music, but they have since dropped their opposition to the last 2, but still oppose missions boards. they DO believe in spreading the gospel, but they believe God calls individuals to go to a place by faith alone. Some of them still sing acapella, but its by perference
I was saved and baptized in a small Southern Baptist church. Spent my teenage and young adult years in Baptist Missionary Association churches and earned a Bachelor’s degree from a BMA college and served on the ministry staff of two BMA churches. When I decided to pursue a graduate degree I enrolled in a Southern Baptist seminary and earned a Master’s degree, served on ministry staff of five SBC churches. I also was in attendance at the organizational meeting of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. I expected to see Southern Baptist in the list, didn’t expect but wasn’t surprised to see the Baptist Missionary Association since they are small and are hard to find outside of the Deep South. It really surprised me to see the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship as that organizational meeting was in 1990 so it isn’t very old. I commend you for your thorough research and understanding.
Josh, thank you so much for trying to sort out all this very confusing material. Makes my head spin!
Episcopal Baptists? Now I've seen everything.
When three or four are gathered do you expect a fifth?
@@williamjarrell8475 seems like inflation keeps going up
Penicostal Apostolic-Evangelical pastoral-teaching full gospel baptist church, with tongue-talker Bob.
In some parts of world those are the only type.
Wait til you hear about the Baptist monastery in Australia.
I had the best of two worlds growing up. I attended a Free Will Baptist School M - F and was a member of a “big Baptist” Southern Baptist Church for Church and social events. I loved it! As a proud “backrow Baptist”😂, my joke was if anyone uttered an “Amen” or anything other than a group response to the Pastor, everyone would turn around and say “who said that??”😂🙌🏻🙌🏻👏👏 And we Southern Baptists pride ourselves on Sunday service ALWAYS ending promptly at Noon!!😂🙏🏼🙏🏼🙌🏻
Our standard saying at my church (Church of God), was "Well, let's wrap things up and meet for lunch down at Monical's Pizza before the Baptist's get there! 😂😂
And the Wednesday night dinners!
I went to a Church of Christ high school during the week and a Free Will Baptist church on Sunday and Wednesday. Gave me wonderful perspective on the minutia contained within Christianity.
@@namuhtsuj4025what was the school name
not my SBC church! sometimes our service lasted 2 hours!, people would holler and shout like pentecostals. guess its different depending on what area youre in
I loved living in Spain in the mid-80s. The Spanish simply asked if I were a Christian or a Muslim. Sometimes it was difficult to break away from a conversation regarding Jesus and the Scriptures because of the thirst and hunger of those I would meet. Conversations could go on for hours upon hours.
Thank you! This truly cleared things up about Baptists😊❤
Saw a Reformed Baptist Church today and excitedly returned here to refresh on its details.
"Reformed Baptists" are an oxmoron. they are merely Prebyterians who immerse, They arent real Baptists, for many reasons
I was baptized in a Missionary Baptist in 1972. I think the pastor was secretly a fan of Chuck Smith & Greg Laurie. We had drums & guitars! And I remember the 1st time I wore blue jeans to church!
What can you tell me about the difference between Missionary Baptist and Independent Baptist ?
Thanks brother. These are helpful to many.
Congrats on 100K Subscribers!!
Thanks Max!
Thank you for this content.
This content is so fascinating
Greetings from a IFB (Independent Fundamental Baptist) church in Mexico! Nice video! I've always wanted to know what is the difference between all kinds of Baptist churches, such an informative video!
Thank you for this! I just found you over on the Matt "Useful Charts" channel. I've found a lot of baptist preachers in my family tree and it's hard to figure out what type they all were 😂
You are welcome Rebecca, and glad you found the channel!
Excellent video!
love this channel
I enjoy your videos. I find them very well researched. I'm getting up in age, so you look like you could hardly be out of college, much less seminary. But I suspect you've been and done well. Keep learning and sharing!!
My family has a strong General Baptist heritage on both my parents’ sides, and it was indeed a GB church that I was born into. Outside of the General Association, I don’t often come across anyone who knows what General Baptist is, so it’s kinda cool to hear it mentioned in a video! Thanks for your overview!
Hat tip my friend. This was great.
I love your videos my brother! I’m a Primitive Baptist that learns a lot from your content.
I consider myself closer to the PB beliefs that doesn’t attend a church. Issue is that I just unwilling to settle into anything else, and the long distance to get to and from church is my problem here.
Not all PB's are the same. My folks are from the Eastern District Association of PB's and they have never believed in "the doctrines of grace" as you would call it. They believe in general atonement, and that anyone can call upon the name of the Lord and be saved
Very useful. Thank you 😊
Thank you for this, Josh. I hadn't realised that that Baptists were as diverse as this!
Loved it. Thank you!
Thanks Pixie! I was hoping you were still watching, have noticed you less often on the poll questions. :-)
@@ReadyToHarvest
I would never miss your videos!! I am afraid I do need a break from the polls. Once I am refreshed I will return!
@@ReadyToHarvest as someone who grew up in the Conservative Baptist Association: I liked your video on their name change and why the church of my youth changed their name but maybe are still in the same denomination.
People were surprised on Dr.Gavin Ortlund's channel: mostly non Protestants that Some Baptists still believed in tongues.
Perfect video for them as I suggested they check out your channel.
Attending college in Huntsville, TX in the early 80s, everyone in town became well aware of the New Zion Missionary Baptist Church. We all had our faiths, but we all became adherents of "The Church of the Immaculate Bar-B-Que".
This small, black Baptist church, with it's very old church house with peeling paint...started having Sunday afternoon BBQ offerings and started selling it. As a poor college student, it was heavenly to got this this place and get a plate piled with brisket, beans, and potato salad for a mere $6.
As I understand it, they continued to grow and offer lunch and dinner all week Good for them!! The last time I drove through Huntsville, they had either totally renovated their church house, or had built a new one.
I think they have the absolute best brisket in Texas, and it's a very good cause.
I've been a Baptist all my life - was in 'cradle roll' when I was an infant - and baptized when I was five. I was raised Southern Baptist ; mostly in Portland, Oregon if that sounds odd.
I've been asked this very question - why so many? - many times. The short answer is perhaps the most useful.
Doctrine is pretty similar in all subgroups. The triune God, the natural instinct to ignore God and make our own choices, and the gift of God to forgive our sins as humans. There are some activity differences - like how often to celebrate the Lord's Supper (or Communion for some), or how often to have baptismal services. Of course the need for baptism, not for salvation but as an act of obedience and commitment is constant. (That's why they are all 'Baptists'). Some congregations have either a demand or preference for the KJV, some don't.
Differences.
1. How individual church congregations govern themselves. SoBaps hold a monthly business meeting allowing all members of the church to attend, but not mandatory. That is to determine budgets, call a new pastor (if needed), vote on remodeling and those kind of decisions. Other groups have congregations with a board of deacons or elders as an essential governing board. Usually, all major money spending issues go to a general vote.
2. How individual congregations finance their missionaries.
Spending most of my life in ABA churches, most of them were called Missionary Baptist. However, since there are many black Pentecostal churches in the South using the name "Missionary Baptist", a lot of Landmark churches have dropped the "Missionary" from their names. Growing up, I heard my grandparents talk a lot about New Lighters, Hard Shells, Calvinists, and Pentecostals.
This is one of those videos I have to rewatch a few times, maybe even take notes.
Yikes! On the one hand I'm delighted that you have been able to provide so much information to so many people. On the other hand, I can't begin to process the information as fast as you are providing it.
Very fascinating video. I was raised in a subset of Missionary Baptists that also call themselves "Old Time Baptists". They have a heavy emphasis on an emotional conversion experience being necessary for salvation, and reject the sinner's prayer. I think at one time they might have been Landmark Baptists, but the Baptist successionism doctrine seems to have faded away.
Origins of all these Baptist groups can be hard to parse through. It's great to have concise videos like yours to watch and learn from.
I'm very curious. My mom grew up in a church that sounds like what you described. Where was the church you were raised in? She was raised in Sweeden Missionary Baptist Church in Edmonson County, KY. I'm not a Baptist but was very influenced by stories she told me of her childhood. She never mentioned anything that sounded like Landmarkism. So if they ever believed that, she didn't pick it up. They also did not wash feet like a lot of Missionary Baptist churches around here (Upper East Tennessee).
@@timothyowen4503I know of that church in Edmonson county. That's just the sort of Baptists I'm talking about. I live in a neighboring Kentucky county.
I once saw a copy of the trail of blood chart in a church basement of a Missionary Baptist church, but never heard it preached on explicitly or taught. I have a feeling that Baptist successionism is one of those ideas that is sort of slowly fading away, especially since almost none of these churches believe in formally educating their clergy. It's hard to maintain a belief like that if you don't educate people.
As far as foot washing goes, that tends to be the domain of the United Baptists here while the Missionary Baptists have communion without footwashing. The United Baptists here have the same salvation theology as the Missionary, but have other minor differences.
@@timothyowen4503 I have a friend/family member that considers himself a Missionary Baptist and attends a Missionary Baptist church in North Georgia. They have foot washing and only use the King James Bible. Additionally, the preacher preaches preterism. When I first heard the teaching I thought there was a mistake considering the label Baptist, however, that is their belief.
@@RonKris there are many Baptists who hold that view its called "amillenialism"
Great video! I would add the Conservative Baptist - think of Myron Cederholm and Maranatha Baptist Bible College- that came from GARB and American Baptist roots.
Would be interesting as well to include some the colleges started by each group. 👍🏾
You are excellent !
Great information. I was in an IFB (independent fundamental Baptist) church for 14 years. I graduated from one of their schools: Bob Jones University. It claims to be non-denominational, but all the churches on the approved church list to attend for campus students were some form of Independent Baptist or Bible Baptist.
You could do an entire episode on fundamentalism or Independent Baptists because of all the different "camps" and I have to say it, "personality cults." While I was at BJU I heard what I thought were "rumors and gossip" about certain churches and the school associated with them that had to do with a lot of unbiblical and even abusive stuff.
Yes, indeed! That Lester Roloff dude from the 1970’s that had those radio broadcasts was one of the most bigheaded people in that movement. He pretended to be kind and humble in many interviews, but was a control freak, overall. And his rigid diet plans could never been seen as the way because he died in a plane crash.
I grew up in a SBC church and attended a Baptist school (not from the church I attended) all their books were from BJU and I often wondered what type of Baptists they were. Now I believe I know.
Independent Baptists are non denominational. So your comment couldn’t get the first thing right.
@@brianrich7828 hi my friend, you do know that Baptist is a denomination or sect right?
IFB churches are so similar in what they teach and their practices that they very well could be their own denomination. So much so that my former pastor was considering and talking with his deacons about calling themselves "unaffiliated Baptists."
@@theologynerd1689 Independent Baptists are “Independent” and are non denominational. Southern Baptists are Denominational on the other hand.
Great video, as always. Have you done a video explaining the difference between the types of church polity?
Whew! Whirlwind tour, thank you Joshua.
Good video 😊
Great video! Free Will Baptist here
Good information 🇹🇹
I'm a Black Missionary Baptist and you got my Head Spinning!!!
😎 Brother break down without any um or ah!! *Great Job Explaining*
this was such an interesting panorama. thank you! i say so because, in brazil, there are really only two types of baptists: calvinists (represented mainly by the brazilian baptist convention, cbb in portuguese) and arminian-pentecostals (represented mainly by the national baptist convention, cbn in portuguese).
there are smaller baptist denominations here too, but nowhere near as expressive. the alliance of baptists, for example, has a very tiny presence here, that doesn't rival even a single multi-site church in the cbn.
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Give it time, they gonna be as many as the stars in a few years, that is a logical outcome of the ideology of "sola scriptura".
@@TheLeftRbabieskillers There are only two possible relationships between men and Scripture; either men judge Scripture, or men are judged by Scripture. No matter how the argument is framed, there is no escaping the impact of the closed cannon that is affirmed on all sides. The Old Testament looked forward to the incarnation; the new looks back to it and considers it's import. Genesis starts the narrative of God's relationship with man - starting with creation - and contains the seed of every doctrine of Scripture, and Revelation looks back from the end of the story and the beginning of what comes after, and with a bit of reflection and study, you could deduce the entirety of the the fundamentals of the faith from Romans and Genesis one 1-3 alone. You can't assert the need for a unique, corporate, inspired consensus interpretation of the Scriptures without claiming to that consensus the sam force of inspiration as the texts which they interpret, but the inspiration of those texts was of a unique nature for a purpose that has now been fulfilled. Any doctrinal consensus must fall under the authority of revelation, and while the revelation is without error, there is no such guarantee for any body of interpreters across time.
Personally, I think in retrospect that I prefer the wrestling over trivialities vs. central truths provoked by this cornucopia of Baptist sects in the Baptist faithful over a compulsory belief in the abstract 'inspiration' of a tradition over time - the exact nature of which I suspect has as many definitions among Roman Catholics and Orthodox as there are Baptist denominations. The trivial distinctions among the faithful will fade over time, and what remains in common among essentials affirming Baptists will be held on a firmer foundation than what caused the divisions at the beginning.
Another wonderful video, congrats!
Nice to know how the Baptists are being spread out mostly in the US. But, as ever, those Churches would, with some coloring levels to identify themselves within the 3 main Protestant types of Church spread in the US as defined by the Pew Forum: There are both Baptists in the mainstream tradition, Baptists in the Evangelical tradition, and Baptists in the traditionally black Churches tradition. Perhaps it would facilitate to viewers if in next videos of same type to make the diagram of the Churches by identifying them across those 3 categories.
Thanks in advance and have a nice day!...
In 1992, Bishop Paul S. Morton helped to co-found the Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship, which is a schism from the Missionary Baptist Church that was part of the National Baptist Convention. My dad was a member of Greater Saint Stephen when it was Missionary Baptist and when it became a new denomination as Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship. The main difference to me is FGBCF is more music and inspiration focused than the MBC. My grandmother is MBC, & one of my uncle is Primitive Baptist Church, so I have experience with these three Baptist Church traditions. I have met some seventh day Baptist, seven word Baptist, & American Baptist. They're all very similar in being Sola Scriptural, and not into systematic theology.
Great work!!! It would be great to see a video like this one on other Protestant religions
He literally has dozens, if not hundreds of videos on most denominations
@@Lord9Genesis yea I know
I know and I want more lol
It’s like a drug addiction for his videos
Lol
Wow. Raised in a church environment, I had only heard of a very few of these various Baptist varieties. I had no idea there existed so much variance, albeit much of it quite subtle. Thank you for a very interesting video.
Growing up in the southern United States, you find a lot of "shotgun" churches where congregations split over trivial differences and a new church would be formed nearby. The pattern of church locations would resemble shot gun spatter!
This guide gets two thumbs up from this Reformed Southern Baptist!
I clicked this video wearing my sdb sweatshirt thinking we wouldn’t be mentioned bc no one ever does and im ngl i had a lil bit of a fangirl moment seeing our denomination up there😭
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It was a Seveneth Day Baptist that wrote "On Jordan's Stormy Banks I Stand" The only difference I have found between then and SBC churches, are the day they worship
There's one additional predominantly black Baptist denomination among the three that you mentioned, which has an episcopal structure with bishops, and embraces many Pentecostal beliefs, and that is the Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship.
they ceased to be real Baptists when they adopted all that stuff.
I'm gonna have to watch this in slow motion with no distractions and a pad of paper nearby to take notes!
Thanks!
Thank you, Cedric!
At 7:30 of course "denominate" simply means "to name" and my definition of a "denomination" is any group of churches with a shared name, thus the name on the outside gives you a good idea of what takes place inside.
What I have learned is that the term "Baptist", by itself, doesn't mean much.
I am a part of the Free Methodist Church and the term Methodist seems like it is becoming that way, especially with everything happening in the United Methodist Church.
Originally, Baptist churches were basically those that descended from the English separatist movement. Similarly, Methodist is historically associated with John Wesley. As you said, the more progressive congregations are really just connected in name only.
I attend a Lutheran church, and that too has a historical moment with its origin based around The Book of Concord, but the progressive denominations like the ELCA don't view the book as strict, church doctrine.
It's a huge disservice to a denomination for some churches to use the name in a way that does not reflect its historical definition or association.
"Baptist" by itself does mean a few things:
1. It means credobaptism, not pedobaptism.
2. It means an emphasis on a personal conversion experience, rather than an identity you are born into.
3. It means a broadly congregational polity, where the denominational bodies (when they exist) are conventions or associations which do not exercise authority over member churches.
4. Generally, it means not accepting ongoing sign gifts. Many Charismatic denominations hold broadly Baptistic theology, but are distinct in the belief in gifts like tongues and healing.
Most non-denominational Evangelical churches are Baptistic, or they are Baptistic Charismatics.
There are churches that hold to these things which are not Baptist, but it's hard to imagine a church that is Baptist that doesn't hold to these things.
@@Essex626 You could have included religious freedom which is a corollary of points 2 and 3.
My Mom was a member of the old Methodist Episcopal Church before it became UMC. I attended the UMC and SBC as a teen. Then became a member of the FWB Church which to me combines the best of church structure and theology of Baptist structure with Free Will Wesleyan traditions in theology..
@@litigioussociety4249 not all Baptists are descended from the Separatist movement, esp those in the USA.
I was baptized Regular Baptist in a GARBC affiliated church, but moved over to LCMS in college
There was a church in the county south of mine that split in two in 1837, with one becoming Missionary Baptist and the other becoming Primitive Baptist. I have relatives in both.
My 4th or 5th Grandfather Ephraim Sanford of New York state was a minister in the Baptist faith when that happened...he stayed with the Primitive branch, feeling Sunday School was a man-made invention. His grandson chose another denomination in the mid 1800s when he moved into a sparsely settled area of central Illinois. There was only one church, called a Union Church and different ministers would take turns using the building.
As a proud and devout member of the North American Baptist Conference I was thrilled to see Joshua mention us. We are 65,000 members strong and adhere to the Word of God but don't make the same amount of noise as say the SBC.
Thanks buddy.
I had no idea there were so many Baptist groups! This amplifies how splintered Christianity is if that's a fraction of the groups in one denomination alone!
Thanks for mentioning the predominantly Black Baptist groups: my understanding is they broke from the Southern Baptist Convention when it became evident that 11 o'clock on Sunday morning was the most segregated hour of the week.
You are a scholar - yet I know your videos go deeper than sharing you research on our divided faith. You make me think about C.S. Lewis and his book, "Mere Christianity." I have recently adopted the term, "Christianism," to distinguish between our malpractice of the faith and actually following, "The Way." I do not absolve myself of guilt in this regard. Oftentimes, we wind up driving people away from Jesus instead of drawing folk to Him by letting our Light shine.
Keep up your outstanding independent work and your profitable collaborations. You're doing your job....
Where does the NIFB fall? Do you have a video about or on them?
theyre basically the same as IFB, only more legalistic and mean spirited. altho they aren calvinists, they tend to act like them in many ways
have you done The Local Church (Witness Lee)? BTW, have you considered parsing the varieties of Calvinism/Arminianism or positions on the doctrine of election?
If Joshua does that, I hope he'll throw the Free Grace position into the mix of comparison.
How do you keep all of this straight??
Are you going to continue your "outliers" series?
Watching this video gave me an idea for a video to request from you (if you haven't done it already). Could you discuss exactly what is meant by the term "evangelical" and how it differs from non-evangelical or "mainline Protestant" churches? Likewise, how are evangelicals different from fundamentalists? I have my own ideas about the answers to this, but I'd like to hear it explained by someone more knowledgeable about it than me!
Josh did this video, which seems to fit what you are looking for: th-cam.com/video/k4R1UVQamsY/w-d-xo.html
I grew up in and still highly involved in the Baptist Missionary Association and like to see we got recognized. Very often we are over looked as a Baptist association in most things related to the Baptist denomination as a whole.
Also I must say (not that I disagree with you) but the landmark principle isn't one that is actively taught in the BMA. Maybe the founders believed that but most people I know don't necessarily subscribe to that. It wasn't until college that I heard someone use "The trial of Blood" book to promote that idea.
I was brought up Baptist in the UK
My parents were missionaries
and as a child I mixed with Christian’s from all over the world
Guitar and band music including hymns and choruses were what we was used to
As an adult I became part of an AOG church which followed the same principles
Also it depends on the cultural roots. North American Baptist Conference, the church I grew up in, is German. General Baptist Conference is Swedish. Southern Baptists are considered the strictest.
I loved this overview! Great job. One very interesting point to all of this denomination sub-splitting... If churches would simply stick to their doctrine, we wouldn't see organizational splits every other generation. I'm very concerned that today's churches stopped asking what the truth is and now change church doctrine to increase head count. Worse yet, most of the new franchise Baptist churches no longer put out any doctrinal statements in order to avoid the chance of having to back-track later. It is truly a sad commentary on the modern church.
Makes my head spin😮
I love the Useful Charts channel as well.
Could you make a video on the Baptists originating from Tyrol in Austria expelled during the counter Reformation?
Do you know anything about the baptist union in Australia? And how they came about ?
I found it curious when you described leanings of the BBFI toward the movement of evangelicalism. That sounds like a different BBFI from the one I knew in the past. My personal knowledge of the BBFI began when I was growing up. My father was involved in the BBFI and he described himself as a pastor of a "independent fundamentalist Bible believing Baptist church." Later he retired from teaching in their Bible college. My mother retired from working in BBFI missions office. More than one dinner conversation included discussions how the Baptist church was a continuation of the New Testament church.
This would not have been about the Baptists in general but Baptists with specific doctrinal position that was derived directly from the Bible. This means that the Baptists who are closely aligned to the church that was created by the Apostles would be the only Baptists who measured up to what the name means. Whether we could trace Baptist linage from church to church down through history like some denominations do is unlikely. This is all the more unlikely due to the viciousness of the enemies of those who have been called Baptists, ana-baptists, or re-baptizers. I think if we look across the spectrum of Christians Baptists are more likely than anyone else to insist that the Bible is our only source of doctrine and anything outside the Bible is to be rejected. To be consistent this means that Christians do not need any writings, agreements, confessions, or canons by any other Christians to interpret the Bible for themselves. Through Scripture and the presence of the Holy Spirit we ourselves have immediate access to the words of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. As such it is unacceptable to think that God would have ever allowed the New Testament church to have totally disappeared at any time. These are some of the ways that we can discover what a Baptist is.
It is absolutely ludicrous that we would have had to wait around until Luther to remind us of the role of faith in our salvation. I have never believed that the Christianity that we have now necessarily threads through the Catholic Church or the Reformation. We may never know how many churches or individual believers remained at any given point in time but no matter what that was God would have always intervened to keep the Gospel message alive. We see this pattern in the Bible described as a remnant or some protected group that often includes those whose righteousness will set them apart to fulfill the will of God. What purpose would be more important to God than Salvation.
We have long passed the time when calling oneself a Baptist is specific enough to have a consistent meaning to not only other Baptists but anyone else. 20+ types of Baptists is stunning but given the goals of enemies of the Church of Jesus Christ this plan is perfectly understandable.
This is as clear as mud, being a fairly new believer.
Watch out for the notorius Westboro!
I can see how confusing it would be if one person from a particular "Baptist" church moved elsewhere and sought to join a "Baptist" church in their new community...and found it to be a completely different type of faith community!
100% possible. When I'm on vacation, I tend to be more interested in churches with "Bible" on the sign rather than "Baptist," because I feel like there will be fewer surprises.
Can you do a video on Sons of God denomination?
Wow lots of info succinctly put, anybody know about "second" baptists? Matt didn't mention them either unless I missed it.
Many Baptists would name their church "First Baptist Church" if it was the first one in the city. The second church may choose the title "Second Baptist Church."
I have read that Abraham Lincoln's parents were Hardshell/Primitive Baptists. That must have been interesting.
Joshua, thank you so much for your video. Matt from Useful Charts sent me here to ask you this question on his video. I grew up in the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches. Where would they fall in his Baptist tree and in comparative size where do they stack up to those listed? Thank you again!
Hello Matthew, you can find the GARBC on this chart here. It comes out of the Northern Baptist Convention stream.
cdn.garbc.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2019/01/20194528/Baptist-Fundamentalism-Chart.pdf
GARBC has about 1,300 Churches
NAFWB has 2,500
SBC has 51,000
American Baptist Churches USA has 5,000
Here's my video on GARBC if you haven't seen it. th-cam.com/video/kKqxqSu8QH0/w-d-xo.html
@@ReadyToHarvest Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!
Well as a Baptist I must admit I didn't know most of these. The Progressive Primitive Baptists get the prize for most ironic title though. 😂
In Australia we're more homogeneous it would seem, though perhaps I'm just not aware of all groups. Most Baptist Churches in my state are part of a shared Baptist union.
I’m a longstanding member of a Baptist church (in Australia)
My goodness - all these different groups and offshoots are confusing even to me.
One can only wonder how overwhelmingly complex they appear to unchurched people. I’d imagine that it would, generally speaking, be a turn-off to them.
You can thank Martin Luther for that.
" I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one-as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. " John 17:21
Imagine American denominations as large buffet of all you can eat religions. If you look around, you will find one that you like sooner or later. 😂
At least it’s simple in Australia- there’s only Union Baptists and Independent Baptists
@@TheLeftRbabieskillers no you can thank Roman Catholicism for that
do you have a history of calvinistic baptists
When I became active in Protestantism and left Roman Catholicism I was drawn to the Baptist Church because I became greatly influenced in the study of the Scriptures in the Holy Bible. Although I believed in the "Body of Christ", I cherished visiting and Corporate Worship with any Believers who followed the Gospels and Teachings of the Bible. For some time, I visited many local Baptist Churches in the Eastern Massachusetts Area. I was amazed in the different "Twist" of the Baptist Church which depended upon the specific church. The differences in Baptist Churches were amazing. Thank you.
I am a Catholic and I feel sad that you left the Church. I believe you will have some good reasons for leaving it.
Anyway, have you give a thought to the theology of Protestantism? Have you noticed that their ideologies were designed to counter the Catholic teachings? What type of spirit will inspire it?
Bible alone and free interpretation of the Bible were designed to undermine the teaching authority of the Bishops.
Abolishing of priesthood was to accommodate the teaching against the Eucharist and Confession.
The doctrine of faith alone and the atonement of past, present and future sins by the sacrificial death of Christ on the cross was to undermine the teaching of salvation by love & mercy and the teaching on purgatory.
It is nice to hear Jesus paid the price of our sins in full by his death on the cross. But then if Jesus had paid the price of sin in full, where is the room for salvation by grace? There was no grace and there is no need of grace if the debt has been paid in full.
And if the doctrine of purgatory is false, when do final sanctification of a person takes place so that he is fit to enter heaven? It is at the moment of being born again or at the time of death or at the time of burial or after death? If it is after death, then somehow purgatory idea seem to be true. The Bible says, for without holiness, no one will see the Lord.
The doctrine of imputation is also too arrogant. Does Jesus owed us to impute his righteousness on us because he bore all our sins on the cross? Which will be more appropriate - Jesus imputing his righteousness on us or Jesus cleansing us by his power?
Jesus died for all. He had borne the sins of the whole world, not just for believers. So, if Jesus paid it all, then all should be saved but it is not the case. Hence, there is an error in the teaching of protestants.
I wish you would do some more reflection.
@@justthink8952 Thank you for your reply. One thing that I admire id the Priest will hold your confidentiality regardless. Another wonderful aspect to Catholicism is that it is Universal. When all Masses were in Latin - Old Days. I've visited different Baptist churches in one town! I've had people tell me secrets that I will take to the grave. Not Protestants - even Ministers and Chaplains in the US Military. I've seen them "Sell" fellow Baptist "Down the River". Not a Catholic Priest. Originally, I would attend any Christian - including Catholic - Service of Worship or Corporate Praise as part of the "Body of Christ".
Anyways. Thank you. Much - not all - of American Protestantism is "Wanting". There is a few things in Catholicism that I find hard to accept. Oh well.
@@benjaminrush4443
Thank you for your reply.
If you wish to speak about difficulty of some teachings, then I would like to discuss. As for conduct of men and the way of worship, there is plenty to critique for all Churches including the Catholics. We Catholics repeat so many prayers without knowing the meanings and most of the priests don't bother to teach them. For example, I believe majority of Catholics do not know well about immaculate conception of Mary etc.
So when did you leave Catholicism?
You're entitled to your own opinion, but doesn't it seem weird and a little suspicious if Baptist churches don't all believe in the same thing? How can they be a united force when they don't agree on some key issues. Like if they all have "twists," as you said, then none of them are sure of what they're preaching.
There’s more? I know as a SBC and former member of an Independent Missionary Landmark Baptist Church that there was a lot of variety, I had know idea there was this much and more.
Been a member of the Baptist church for over 30 years. It is a real meze of faiths . I was a member of a Southern Bap church and then Free Will Bap. Their is a difference in the way they do things.
Can you do "Evangelical Baptist Church of Georgia"?? Are they really Baptist in their beliefs and practices?
I grew up in the BMAA. The Landmarkism is fading away. There are some older people know what it is, and a few that believe it, but that's about it. I had never even heard of it until I went to a BMA college and the president talked about it.
There are still remnants of that philosophy in sectors of the Southern Baptists in their praxis.
One correction - Sovereign Grace Baptists are not Reformed Baptists - although they hold to the 5 points of Reformed Soteriology and predestination. They hold to the 1644/1646 Baptist Confession of Faith (not the 1689) and NCT (New Covenant Theology).
With so many different Baptist identities, the totality of it comes across to this outsider as its own mini-Protestantism.
Also, if there are Regular Baptists, are there also Irregular Baptists who would offer potluck dinners high in dietary fiber at their church socials?
I grew up non-denom but it was a Bob Jones church that was kind of like FBFI
Then we went to an KJVOIFB (Separatist) for a few years
In college it was Campus Church but they were like KJVOIFB
Then got married and went to IFB that had pulled out of SBC so it was IFB that felt southern
Then went to another IFB, then led music at an SBC (Evangelical)
Then went to a Southern IFB then have been at SBC since.
I've been around the block a bit - I've observed that Baptist infighting hurts the cause of Christ. I call myself an evangelical Christian that leads music at a traditional SBC church and I'm not reformed but I like Sovereign Grace music. I have reformed friends, Arminian friends, Mennonite friends, and friends in almost every group.
A "Traditional" SBC church - I dont think there is any such thing -!!!
What is the difference between new evangelicalism and fundamentalism?
I got to an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church but are sign still says Bible Baptist even though we have nothing to do with the BBFI anymore
Nice video. Well done. Which of these historically African American subsets was Martin Luther King Jr part of?
He was part of the National Baptist Convention USA and later moved to the Progressive National Baptist Convention. I tell that story in this video: th-cam.com/video/WHCQ93fZpcg/w-d-xo.html
@@ReadyToHarvest I just watched that.
I’m Catholic and I literally got dizzy listening to these denominations. Does anyone find it odd that there is a need for such denominationalism?
Don’t kid yourself, the Roman Catholic Church isn’t one “unified” church either. Speak to a Dominican and a Jesuit, and you’ll see the difference. In fact, look at your Pope. He says things that would have had him burned at the stake 200 years ago.
@@brettk1517you know murder is a sin right? 😂 straight roasted bro.