Danish king who shaped history - Battle of Isefjord, 986 - Harald Bluetooth vs Sweyn Forkbeard
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U should do a colab with kings and generals
It seems there's some mistakes in the first map because the holy roman empire encompassed northern italy in the late 10th century, France was still eastern francia until 987 and the duchy of brittany was independant
@@robert-surcoufyeah that is true because if it depicts Otto at the start of his reign than the title would be east Francia etc
@@robert-surcouf There are a lot of issues in this video, of these the ones I caught were:
- I believe Scania was part of Denmark at this point, if I recall we even found some of Harald's forts there.
- Harald was not converted to Christianity by Otto II, as he had already converted by 965 at the latest, we know this due to the Large Jelling Stone.
- Svend's (Sweyn) mother was likely not Gunhild, as she possibly didn't exist. She is only mentioned in the later medieval sources. From the runestones though, we know of a queen Tove, who was the daughter of an Oborite king, she is more likely to be Svend's mother.
- The ring forts were likely not meant to subdue Danish nobles, recent research suggests they were made in preparation for Harald's second war with the HRE.
- Danish vassalship to the HRE in the 10th century is similarily a hotly contested point. Most Danish historians believe this idea spawned with Adam of Bremen, who had political reasons to write such a history.
- We have absolutely no real evidence of Hardeknud, Sigurd Worm-In-The-Eye or Ragnar Lothbrok ever existing, this lineage can be disregarded as nothing but myth.
- Svend being renamed Otto is similarily an invention of Adam of Bremen, HistoryMarche seems to fall into a common paradox here, where they recognize the 965 baptism date, but also believe Otto II converted Harald, both of these cannot be true, but one is supported by the runestones, the other is not.
- We have no evidence of churches built in this time to my knowledge. They are likely referring to the trinity church which Adam claims Harald built, in an effort to build him up as a saintly king.
- Adam of Bremen's writings are extremely notorious for being outright propaganda for the Bishophric of Hamborg-Bremen.
- Harald already controlled Norway by 965, as the Large Jelling Stone tells us
- It is unclear if the first war resulted in the loss of Hedeby, sources do claim a fort was built in the area.
- I have no idea where they are getting the sources for Svend's pre-king raids from. I'd like to read them.
- We have absolutely no evidence that the Joms Vikings ever existed.
- The account that Harald disowned Svend is likely false. Svend likely ended up rebelling, less out of a personal grievance and more out of pressure from the nobility, who were tired of his wars with Germany and wanted to focus on raiding.
- The video implies that Harald controlled Dublin and several British Islands as part of his kingdom, I can't say for sure he didn't, but I don't think that is the case. They were certainly Norse holdings, but I don't think they swore allegiance to the Danish crown.
- Harald didn't found Roskilde, this is another lie from Adam of Bremen, so he could claim that he built the trinity church there. We don't know where his body ended up.
- The fight in Norway was undertaken by Harald, not the Joms Vikings, who as mentioned, likely never existed.
All in all, it's an interesting video, with good production quality, but it uses very outdated research and trusts medieval second-hand sources way too much.
@@theposhdinosaur7276 To defend Historymarche, the first half of medieval ages is harder to cover than the second half because there's less sources (mainly because most of the kingdoms which will survive a long time didn't really start until the 9th-10th century) and the sources are often made decades if not centuries after the events (many nordic sagas about the viking ages were made in the 12th-13th century)
Just came home from the gym, walked my dogs, had a nice lunch and history marche drops a new video. My saturday is being great! Life is good
I'm just about to go for a run. Been working until now.
bruh get a girlfriend its the next step
@@HistoryMarche Based HistoryMarche?
no one needed to know any of this 🤣
Don’t rub our faces in your life not being a mess!
5:12 - Bluetooth Paired and Connected
26:10 - Bluetooth Disconnected
BADUM-TSSSSS 🥁🥁🥁😂🤣🤣
Who knows what the outcome would have been if Harold Bluetooth were to have successfully synced with Wesley WiFi
Being a Norwegian, living in Denmark with Swedish relatives and trying to speak Finnish + the other Nordic languages, it makes me so happy to see HM make a thoroughly researched report on a subject like this. Keep the up good work!
And your pronunciation of Nordic/Old Norse names is adorable!
Hej hvordan går det bror 😂
Skål
: )
no homo?
This could be a whole long series the Civil War eras both in Norway and Denmark are most interesting, though they some generations after the events this video talks about.
@@g.sergiusfidenas6650
Yeah
The two nations in history with the most wars between them, is Denmark(Denmark/Norway) vs Sweden
You could call that the biggest Civil War in all of history
Would def like to hear more about that- there must be a lot to dig into
Ahh Harald a historical example of fuck around and find out 😂
I never miss a History Marche video. I love that you not only show the battle itself but the historical background and prelude to it.
Thanks!
Thank you very much for the support! Very kind of you. It's really heartwarming to see old subscribers still on the channel!
Please do more content on the HRE. Such a fascinating medieval empire that is overlooked despite being the hegemon of the west for hundreds of years.
I have 2 videos on HRE coming from the Magyar era. Stay tuned
I love you’re videos,they are genuinely amazing and very educational,as a history nerd you’re channel is perfect 100%,have a lovely night everyone
Thanks for presenting Svend Haraldssøn in a much more favourable light than what I used to read, or hear over the years and decades.
the real question is, how did Harald have Bluetooth already in the tenth century?
The Bluetooth system is named after him.
@@MrShoki44 Woosh
Why there is no infrared in this lineage?
He was ahead of his time. Too bad he didn't know how to market it.😅
Beat me to it.
Ya! Another video of my country😊. Incidentally, Trelleborg means "Citadel of slaves", however, the word 'trell' can also mean timber, indicating the fortification was fortified with wooden palisades.
Tak!
Thank you very much for supporting my work. Much appreciated!
Thank you HistoryMarche!
The battlemap at the Daneverk at 3:30 misses the important fortified city of Hedeby, located at the eastern end of the rampart. At the map there is only an empty bay at the saxon side instead of the by then one of the most important cities of scandinavia.
He should narrate every war documentary. No one paints a more grim picture with his narration.
Absolutely! H.M. > K.A.G.
Kings and Generals narration is too unenthusiastic and droning imo..
I enjoy both their content. K and G is more straightforward like a college professor giving a lecture on history. H.M. really transports you back in time with his dramatic story telling.
Imagine the H.M. narrator took over David Attenborough's job. it would certainly make nature programs more interesting.
Love the names that Scandinavian leaders had
giga chad names only
peak testosterone and masculinity
Maybe, but as a Dane, it's cringe-worthy to see and hear the English "name translation"
@@MrShoki44 take a chill pill.. u try to pronounce in a foreign language.
Some names are ironic. I remember from the Sagas someone called ”the generous” who paid his men less than others did.
Another amazing video! thanks HM!
14:17 I love the blend of a traditional church with Danish architectural style. Very nice.
More Viking battles!
At this point its save to assume that OverSimplefied will finish his Hannibal series before HistoryMarche makes part 20.
Ant never going to happen
I know many are seeing kings and generals to likely overtake HM on Hannibal's story also.
The big problem with Oversimplified and K&Gs is that they have a very mixed reputation in terms of historical channels online. HM isn't perfect either but still close to EHTV's overall record of high quality & historical facts.
These two channels tend to skip more than HM on primary sources/facts and use flawed 3rd-tier secondary sources in their videos.
@@SolidAvenger1290 Oversimplified is quite decent in general, they do kinda tell us that its a simplified version, so not the one to take up two different accounts of Trebia and compare them to figure out what might actually have happened.
Kings and Generals is good but they do make maybe a few too many mistakes.
I think someone like metatron is generally well researched too, his only flaw is that he is sometimes a bit like a netflix show exept on the other side of the political scale. You get the sense that there is a agenda behind it at times.
@@SolidAvenger1290 what's wrong with K&G if you don't mind me asking; they are one of my favorite channels
@@solisgod Their maps are often none sense. Recently they show genoa owning epircus after the 4th crusade which is wrong because it was a independent rump state ruled by a eastern roman family at that point. They also straight up get certain things wrong like Ida of austra being taken prisoner when the earliest source said that she was killed in the crusade of 1101. Because they're so popular they have to have a consistent upload schedule which leads to mistakes.
That was epic in every way. What a story!!!
Love your content! You never dissapoint!😊
really? he could have dont the same work in half the time..
Scania was also part of Denmark
Yeah its actually the homeland of the danes along with sealand before jutland.
Yes, it's really weird that it's coloured in another colour. They even told about a fortification in Trelleborg that Harald Bluetooth ordered for construction 🤷
@@TheBarser
Interesting
I'd had arguet the first 'Danes' wandered up into Jutland, through Germany- roughly 12.000 years ago
But I'd love to get a more nuanced perspective on that
Some migration from the east would make a lot of sence too
I'd be happy to learn more
Skål : )
@@martinkrog5943 Danes as a tribe conqured jutland from the jutes and angles. As far as I know the original homeland was sealand + what is now southern sweden.
Its a bit vague as to when the different tribes was called this or that in history though.
But yes the people that settled in scandinavia came in waves up through jutland. Buts thats many 1000 years before
@@TheBarser
I see
Cool : )
Thanks for elaborating
I know very little about the actual conflics between the old tribes (in spite being a Jute) and would very much like to learn more about those misty times
Got any good links, vids?
That manscaped ad was a huge whiplash 💀
You thank god when History March uploads.
I bet this guys are really fun to talk with.
You guys should cover some of the Norwegian civil war battles, the Battle of Illevollene in particular is very detailed and very "cool".
hah!
Sigurrdsan vs. MagnusV! Epic conflict!🛡
no
@@NejTak-lq7uk didnt ask you mate
It would be wonderful to finally have Hannibal Barca's adventure concluded.
There hasn't been such an epic story ever since.
Desperately needed, Hannibal's closure.
Another great video!
Even had 8 large beers and still it is so clear, you rock !
Harald thought he was the real chieftain before he found out Otto was marching army #2 behind him. I can only imagine the angry words Otto burned him with in front of his posse
2:48 im was really suprised to learn that the danevirke fortifications existed in the 900s. Just watched a danish documentary about the Schleswig war and the use of the fortifications then. Just amazing it was used from the 900s until 1864
It was old even in the 900s
@@winterforlife 760ties
@@madskofoed1094 some estimates goes back to the late 500s
The topography makes it a natural defence point against southern invaders.
Thank you for the amazing video y'all! Please consider making one on Las Navas de Tolosa
I'm admittedly a little disappointed that you'd depict Sweyn Forkbeard with a full beard instead of a forked beard.
Love your English history videos! They're among My favorites 🎉🎉🎉🎉😊😊😊❤❤❤
Oh, prithee, what goodness your videos hold, and about time I returned to them too!
Living on the then highway between Jellinge and Aarhus (Aros) they recently dug up a Viking grave of the elite with horse and lots of treasurers, dated to last half of the 900s. I now better understand the society and struggle he must have faced about 1075 ago at the very spot I sit writing this. Just amazing.
Fun fact: Bluetooth is named after Harold Bluetooth and they share the same runic symbols
Great video! Would love to see more videos about scandinavian history!
Need more videos of this era!
Thank you for this post, much appreciated.
Good fathers day story.
Very informative video, beautiful narration
It's history time thanks historymarche.
Great video! I love content about this fascinating period in history.⚔🔥🏹
Finally some more about Denmark! HUGE W!
And most important of all is the fact that the bluetooth wireless system came from Harald Bluetooths name.
I think it's probably some time travelers messed up, and they needed to create a story and that's how we got Bluetooth and someone 1000 years later named it in his name
And the Bluetooth logo is indeed a combination of the letters 'H' and 'B' of the Runic alphabet.
Me as a dane: Holy shit, someone actually made an in depth and interesting video of our history.
Also me as a dane: They put horn on the helmets...again...For gods sake...
Immediately noticed that as well. Luckily there were no full body pictures or we would see wrist wraps too 😅
Not just that, it's mostly incorrect...
In 986 the coastal line to the north sea (now Schleswig-Holstein) looked completely different, same is true for the netherlands. There have been two major floods (1219 and 1362) that washed away nearly 1000 square kilometer of coast...
no wonder his army was so cohesive, they could all connect to each other via bluetooth
So excited for a Cnute series!
Your videos are exceptionally good. Keep it up! 🎉 ❤
Good day, HM. Will be there any chance you'll do a mini series about Ætherfled? It'll be interesting to see how you'll present it. Great video as always.
hey i have been watching your videos for years and there are no videos about georgian history. it would be pretty cool if you made one about king tamars biography.
your videos are awesome when im eating food😂
Eric the Victorious and Sweyn would start a trend that would prove to be a constant back and forth for nearly 800 years 😂
History Marche! I want my saga now!
Please DO MORE !!!! Only "thing" worth the Time!!!
It was an informative and magnificent historical coverage episode shared by an excellent ( History Marche) channel....thanks for sharing
Athelred the Unready, what a name!
Fascinating.
Your usual excellent work, thanks mister.
Time to rewatch Vinland Saga once more
Great video thanks! Will you bring back more Crusades battles?
So this is the era that Vinland saga takes inspiration from, amazing!
The fight around the 28 minute mark is the opening scene of s1 haha
HAD to click. Once i researched Bluetooth - surprised learning the electronics named for a real man.
Brilliant
Thank you very much
Keep up the good work, and a roaring SKÅL(cheers)
Smashed that subscribe button a long time ago, my dear Historymarche
Thanks for another excellent video
being danish and nicknamed harald bluetooth in highschool i had to watch this, broke a front tooth as a kid and the temporary tooth i got did get this dark bluish color to it, hence the nickname..
It's wild to consider that, as a species, we actually verge on the cusp of insanity. No other species on this planet goes out of its way to control, kill and obliterate its own kind.
Maybe ants but I like to think we are more than one step above ants.
I'm hoping the day comes where the rationale for warfare becomes obsolete.
Until then... great video once more HistoryMarche! More please! 😉
I haven't seen the whole video yet, but an interesting fact about Sweyn is that Swansea in Wales is named after him.
For the algo. 👍
Great! More Scandinavian history!
Isefjord and Roskilde fjord, is where all my ancestors on my fathers side is from.
They're tough farmers and prone to fights, as soon as they spot someone from the neighboring villages 😅
You mention Jomsborg being located somewhere on Fyn. As far as I know Jomsborg hasn't been actually located as of yet, so how do you get the information about Fyn? I am from Fyn, actually from the exact place you put the standard of Palnatoke in the video, and I am curious; where does it say Jomsborg was located on Fyn?
I can find references to what is now Poland, but none on any danish islands.... Please guide me to whatever references you got "Fyn" from?
Jomsborg is today's Wolin, Poland.
Yeah, that is still somewhat of a mystery. I was surprised when he claimed Fyn was the location of the jomsviking. I suppose it was an earnest mistake.
@@rolfnilsen6385 He must be very earnest, because there are alot of mistakes. Seems like the "Viking" crowd is quick to skip over realities in general.
@@zipperpillow I suppose research is pretty hard and time consuming in many cases. Especially when his viewers often are quite competent on certain parts of history.
@@rolfnilsen6385 Hack. Misinformation? Why bother?
Great video as always. Could you put your sources in the description like you normally do, I often enjoy reading them. Perhaps you forgot to include them this time.
Your map of Denmark is wrong. Halland, Scania and Blekinge are Denmark, not Sweden, until 17th century.
Skaane ! Not " scania
@@nightravenonline This TH-cam thread is in English. Skåne has an English name. Like Espania, Roma and München - and Danmark - have. 😊
@@christophermorgen8505 the map of Sweden is also wrong. "Svealand" (the heartland of the Swedes) were around lake Mälaren and east of "Västgötaland" on the map is "Östgötaland (yes that means west and east lands of the göts/goths/geats/gauts). South of the land of the Göts/goths/geats/gauts (except along the western coast where Halland is) but north of Scania and Blekinge is "Småland" (small land). These were independent lands with their own laws etc.
What king governed what lands depended (simplictic speaking) on who and how many in the land had sworn fealthy to said king so it is not, by this time, possible to accuratly lump together lands into kingdoms like the map do.
Also the map do not take into acount the different levels of control a kingdom had over a land/area/region. It is a huge differens between -tjod (people/tribe), -land, -rikki (a king's subjects) and -váldi (territory controlled by violence).
great video
wow amazing history!
For the algorithm! Great video guys!!
Amazing!
Bluetooth on your phone is actually named after Harald Bluetooth. The Bluetooth symbol is in old danish runes, it's a H and a B. Our current king, who's one of the only 178 frogmen in 30 years, is in direct bloodline with Ragnar, Gorm the old etc.
We're ruled by a frog...
Great video and animation
Great vid thanks 👍
I'm Danish. Honestly, not a good video this one. Several things are wrong, and some intricate details to spice up the story that no one has ever known before, and would be impossible to know of today.
Which part of the video was wrong?
@@kristianjohansen5561 Dane here. He is right. First off southern Sweden was Danish. Actually Danish homeland along with sealand. Jutland was added later. Also The whole ragnar ancestory is just myths and shouldnt be used in this way. There are lot of made up things in this documentary. Its not terrible, just lacklustering and more entertainment than research.
@@TheBarser Geeze, it seems every pop-historian on youtube gets crap wrong. I'm tempted to give up youtube and just read books now.
@iqwrjwqioprwjriopqrjpqowir a good indication is the way its presented. I hate to say it, but its the classic American documentary style 😅.
For me history and documentaries should heavily rely on facts, but it seems lots of people prefer entertainment
@@TheBarser I'll keep that in mind. I'm tempted to learn German one of these days, so I can watch European documentaries and read German books. I skimmed a couple of French/German documentaries and it looked pretty good, so I'm tempted to take the plunge
A lot of reaearchers have suggested that Forkbeard is most likely a mistranslation. His name can also mean “Double edged”. That he got his name from using a double edged axe would make more sense.
Or that he was two-faced because he was nominally Christian but continued the Pagan lifestyle?
@@Tom_Quixote no, there's no translation of Tvienskegg that has any resemblance to two-faced.
For a long time, the vast majority of vikings converted to Christianity for practical reason only, while still holding on to their Norse religion.
@@Tom_Quixote ps, in case you haven't heard of it before:
Tveinskegg can be pronounced two ways.
Tvein - skegg = twin-beard.
tveinsk - egg = twin blade/edge.
Watch it now, and enjoy
in the end , the invetion of bluetooth was delayed for another 1008 years
Great video to watch
i submit to the will of the great Norse gods and marvel at the saga I just witnessed. That is to say thumbs up on this one.
Please do the battle of chaeronea 86bc. And a series about sulla
You should make a video game you could contact creative assembly to help and just do historical battles with pre set army’s that are historically accurate
More Viking history please 🔨⚡
You describe this battle the way Olaf did it for the battle of Kattegat in Vikings s5 : "burned flesh, bloody corpses, "come and see the death of humanity, shall of corpses, broken heads, spiled guts, torched flesh"...
Poetic 🔥🔥🔥
Why is the timeline so weird? Constantly going back and forth and recovering events again and again.
Please consider doing Montgisard and Navas de Tolosa. Thanks!
Troll of Jom was at this battle
A detail, Jelling is slightly wrongly placed. The town at the end of the fjord is Vejle.
Very interesting.