What Happens After An Off Airport Landing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 พ.ค. 2022
- Last episode, I shared my first emergency, a catastrophic engine failure resulting in an off airport landing.
• Cirrus Engine Failure ...
The episode generated a lot of comments, advice, opinions, and sharing. But three questions remained. What was my experience once on the ground? How and when did the airplane get moved? And what was the root cause of the engine failure? We all have to wait for the answer to #3, but I attempted to answer the first two questions in this episode. As I wasn't filming this flight, excuse the numerouse still shots and the one less than perfect video of the walk around of the airplane after landing. Let's keep the conversation going. Hope you find this episode of value.
Blue Skies and Tailwinds. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Outstanding job getting her down safely. Second, hats off to Cirrus for designing a very robust landing gear arrangement. That ground looked really soft, I’m surprised the gear held up. To me it appears that your light touch on the controls and Cirrus designing a great airplane, made that off airport landing go as smooth as it could go. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Thanks. It also helped to turn into the wind to slow my ground speed. Not embarrassed to say I had a lot of luck with me that day. Perfect field, good wind, etc. etc. etc.
@@pfflying6275 You should give yourself more credit. Plenty of other pilots have met their demise dealing with lesser situations. There is plenty to learn here but for certain it wasn’t just luck that got you down safely.
@@SuperTrb0 Thank you.
"hats off to Cirrus for designing a very robust landing gear arrangement."
Bro, it's a crumple zone. I would hope that it's robust.
Yes, I'm being an ass, and this dude is a legend for landing this instead of being a douche and pulling the chute when he didn't need to. But come on.
I hope to see more Cirrus pilots like him in the future. But outside of Scott Manley I'm a _little_ skeptical. Let's face it, most of the people who can afford these things are complete morons.
I’ll say this again. THANK YOU for using pilotage and not just pulling the chute like so many do with a perfectly good flying airframe and options to land. You just helped us save money on insurance and we didn’t lose a plane or pilot. Well done.
Yea I don't understand why some people think the chute is the one and only solution to a problem. I have a chute in my homebuilt, did not use it when my engine failed. Glided to a safe landing on the airport runway. I feel the chute should only be used when a safe landing is not possible. Engine out over unlandable terrain, structural failure or inability to control the aircraft are the only reasons I think I'd ever use it.
@@ulbuilder I agree 100%. Which is why I commended him and yourself for not throwing pilotage out the window with a chute. I’m all for an extra level of safety. But that’s just what it is.
You are supposed to pull the chute, If you don’t pull the chute the insurer can deny coverage if an off field landing totals the airplane.
@@Iceman12388888888 he would have more damage had he pulled the chute. Half the time the plane is totaled. This was a perfectly executed emergency landing. No other damage other than what he already had the second the engine exploded.
@@Iceman12388888888 Is this some rumor or can you point us to some factual trusted source for your claim? With +75% of CAPS deployments on Cirrus aircraft resulting in a a total loss I find it hard to believe insurance companies would prefer that pilots always pick the option that is very likely to result in a total loss claim. Not sure how they could deny any claim unless the policy explicitly stated one must use the chute in any engine out situation. Cirrus teaches pilots to consider the chute first, they do not require using the chute first so an insurance company could not even use the flimsy excuse that not using the chute is improper procedure to get out of a claim.
Good on you being cautious when flying with a new engine. I have been told by a retired NTSB investigator that the highest risk of failure with an engine is in it's initial several hours of use after manufacture and the first several hours after rebuild. He said that is the time any and all loose bolts, forgotten seals and faulty bearings will make themselves known.
Good job with the emergency landing. I hope I'd handle it half as well as you did if it happens to me.
This is correct. We engineers informally call it the infant mortality rate.
They also fail at a high rate in the last hour before a rebuild.
@@notsofresh8563 Also the moments before a crash.
This commonly referred to as the "burn-in"" period and it is equally applicable to electronics. As an example, over the years I have ordered a number of IBM/Lenovo ThinkPads. Between order and shipment there is a significant delay as they configure and burn-in a system, minimizing returns and maintaining product reputation. In case of aviation, it would be prudent to avoid IMC during the burn-in period as new umbilical connections are required between the engine and the airframe, adding a degree of uncertainty.
All machines and vehicles have a reliability curve wherein reliability starts low and improves once worn in then starts to decline again when things begin to wear out as the machine becomes old
Thanks for sharing the process. We all keep looking down to spot possible landing spots, and surviving an emergency landing is obviously the priority. But we never think of the process thereafter, and clearly it is not a simple one. Please keep up updated on the process, the legal issues you can share, and same with insurance experience. Thank you!
No no no…. When it hits the fan, the plane belongs to the insurance company. Walk away.
@@petesmith9472 Did you watch the entire video? If so, please explain further.
@@ayokay123 it’s simple. Don’t worry about recovery. That’s the job of the insurance company.
@@petesmith9472 So if the insurance company plans on fixing the plane, and every time you go up in the air your life depends on it, you shouldn't care about how the plane is dismantled, towed, fixed, then put back into service? You just trust that it was done properly, then take off? Sure. No involvement whatsoever. :D
@@ayokay123 exactly. Because if you are going to further confuse your thinking at a critical moment then you need to go back to your ab initio training, I’m not sure if you’re a pilot but where I come from repairs are dine properly and are demonstrably safe. Why? Because the insurance company does nit want another payout. It’s why they insist on AND PAY for a bulk strip after a prop strike. Simple rule: when the shit hits the fan think of a safe landing in which you and the passengers can walk away. Let the insurance company deal with the rest.
973SD is a beautiful bird, I love that livery. That landing just got her shoes dirty... Well done, and I'm glad she - and you - are back together.
Nott sure how I missed your comment. Thanks for taking the time to write.
Great video and thanks for keeping us posted on the progress!
This is such a great video. I really appreciated the honest way you talk about the experience and the aftermath. Fly well brother!
This was so meaningful and helpful! Thank you for sharing this part of the journey. Can’t wait to see the next chapter.
Thanks for sharing this story! Love flying the Cirrus and after having delt with my share of emergencies during my military flying experience you did a great job of following the aviate, navigate and communicate doctrine. Also great to see you didn't over-control and used great air sense in setting up the emergency approach and landing. I did smile when you mentioned how things ran together after landing, always seems everybody has lots of questions. Look forward to your next update once your Cirrus is back in the air.
I had a total engine failure in late February. A piston skirt failed on my Bonanza as I was taking the plane in for it's annual. I was able to make the runway and the plane is now in for a new engine. The thing I remember was the hyper attention and the realization that this was really happening. It is strange to look at the zero oil pressure and know you are going to be landing with no options. Your off airport landing was well done.
Great job on your video. I worked for BRS, was a CSIP and know the Cirrus system and the guys from Lone Mountain. We had no damage to the Bonanza but the insurance has paid us Zero for the new engine which is being installed this week. I look forward to your notes on the break in procedure. I remember doing a break in in 1973 on another engine. Lots of local flying over the airport for an hour or so. You can bet I will be paying attention.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Thank you for sharing your tale! I was most encouraged by the overwhelming support, mentally and on-site, to you and your plane. I'm sure it was a frightening experience to land, but everyone else helped to allay your concerns about resolving the situation.
This is an incredibly interesting story, thanks! Happy to hear you're ok and things are being resolved.
Brilliant load method on the flatbed, looks like they really know what they are doing. Your Cirrus looks fantastic, great pilotage there, brother! Far less damage than you would have had if the parachute was deployed.
It sure is comforting to know the system is available, but your choice was the best one.
Glad that everyone who responded was helpful! That engine photo shows a real yard sale, doesn't it? Looking forward to seeing that pretty bird back in the air!
IIRC, when the chute is pulled on these, it totals the airframe. Nice pilotage indeed.
great debrief! answered a ton of my questions regarding the logistics of an engine out. thanks!!
Thank you so very much for producing this video. I mostly appreciate your personal candor. That is just as impressive as your airmanship.
Nice of you to say.
I happened across your previous video by chance one day. It certainly made me concentrate when I heard it! I didn’t comment then but will now you’ve had time to do some processing and get some order back into restoring your plane. I was so impressed by how you handled that emergency. I have piloted a small aircraft under instruction but do not have a license (and don’t want one) unlike my son who has a UK private pilot’s license. I always wonder what would happen if an engine suddenly failed. I asked that of my instructor as we were flying under 1500 feet over a UK city one day. Instantly he said, ‘We’d go into that river.’ He had a plan of action in his head. It’ll never happen but I’d love to go flying with you. You have a very calm and reassuring bearing and would make me feel very comfortable about being up in the air. I will start to work my way through your videos, but just wanted to thank you for being so honest and open about your experience for the benefit of others. I too loved the professional pilots’ response to your excellent forced landing. They say it all really. Thanks again and I look forward to your next video in the story. Mike.
Great job on all of this from getting it down like you did to sharing all this great info!
As I said in my comment on your first video of this incident, "Thanks for sharing." As a non-pilot I still believe there are lessons for me here. Great stuff!!
I'm grateful I've never had a catastrophic engine failure. I have had magneto failures and fuel pump failures resulting in significant power loss. This seems like a really rough situation both before and after the event. Good work on the landing.
I am so pleased that you and your aircraft survived the incident. Great job to all concerned and all the best for the future.!
Thank you for sharing your experience!! I am glad you are safe and got to go home to your loved ones!! I will definitely make it a point to get with my CFI to practice Emergency situations.
Great information. What a procedure! Glad everything worked out.
I’m glad you got the plane issues are sorted out. It’s great to find such a fine company to transport and restore the aircraft.
thank you for the great video, I always wondered!
Thank you for this PF, I'm going to use this to teach my students about this, appreciate the lessons learned!
Incredible story! Thanks for sharing your experience with us fellow pilots and aviation enthusiasts alike.
Beautiful aircraft! Glad you landed her safely and shes intact. Good luck on getting her back up:)
Thanx for sharing the WHOLE process. Glad youre ok!
Me too. 😁. Thanks for the comment.
GREAT JOB!!! What an uplifting story - thank you for sharing!
As someone who loves flying and recently decided to go for my PPL , I found this video to be amazing a wealth of experience and knowledge that should be shared. It's not a topic people like to discuss but should be regularly.
Thanks for filling in the details. Folks really looked after you, right from your Mayday call onwards. Kudos to all of them. 🙂👍 Looking forward to seeing how the rebuild and return to flight goes.
Spoiler alert. We picked her up yesterday. Stay tuned.
Excellent video, thank you for sharing that!
Incredible story……Well told!! Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for taking the time to comment. We all learn from each other. I love being part of the community.
I'm not a pilot. I am active with flight sim, however, and have practiced the engine out procedures before. Your two videos on your experience are fantastic! I have been mesmerized with your calmness in presenting your story and the details thus far. I look forward to learning more and more as you have time to update us more and more. I have subscribed to assure I do not miss a video. Congratulations! Well done!
Thank you. Nice of you to say so. I have put together my next video about the implications of flying different planes. But missing some key video clips and tough to do without a plane. ;-) Stay tuned.
What a wonderful job handling this emergency! I'm very glad you're safe and sound! The professionals you worked with and the team you assembled to handle the aftermath were amazing as well! Thank you for sharing, I learned so much!
Thanks for the nice words. A lot of luck and some skill brought it all together. In addition to the great crew you mentioned, those that trained me and encouraged me before and during the incident all share in the result.
@@pfflying6275 You're certainly welcome! I am looking forward to more of your content! I agree that the CFIs and that all training asistance is critically important! Cirrus is really driving this as well and hope it expands further into the entire GA community. You highlighted this in your video; the farming family whose world you rather literally fell into were awesome as well! Thank you again, such a great job!
„Flying has always been my Yoga“ Great! Thank You for sharing.
Awesome video! Great narration!
Nicely done. Well presented.
Thank you.
Thanks for sharing the aftermath as it were ..... really appreciate the insight and "what to expect" aspect. Hopefully never have to deal with it
Thanks for sharing your story!!!
Really interesting to listen to! Glad it all worked out!
Thanks for sharing that story.
Thank you. This vid is Exactly what i was looking for in the follow up.
Thank you so much for sharing. Knowledge is power, and you gave us all a lot of it! 🤩
Glad it was helpful!
thanks for sharing and great job you made it safe to the ground
what a fascinating video, thanks for posting
Well done this is a phenomenal video. Sounds like everyone did their jobs the way they were supposed to.
Shiny side up, rubber side down.... GREAT JOB! I had 2 forcedowns, one as a student (lost accessory and instrument power directly over LAX in special flight rules corridor, flew home with no comms, setup on normal approach and got the green flashing light from the tower at the last minute) and the second time test flying a new engine... the throttle got stuck at 1200 rpms... didn't declare but told the tower of my situation and they cleared the airspace and I killed the engine with the mixture coming over the fence. I was presented with a form on the ground that wanted you to check a box for Incident or Accident... I checked neither and wrote "just a tow" across the top. Kept me off the NTSB website lol.
Another great great video. Fascinating story.
And should be following up with "the rest of the story". Stay tuned!
good on you. great clear headed explanation.
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing all the details here. I just had an engine out in my school's rental 172 in Michigan, it's good to know what goes on behind the scenes as an aircraft owner. You'll be back in the skies soon! From personal experience, I appreciate the complexity and risk of flying even more now and feel that I'm a safer, calmer, and more confident pilot because of that engine out experience. Blue skies and tailwinds!
Great point.
This is something I’ve always wanted to know. The algorithm works! Thanks for sharing and well done for landing.
Always wondered how that worked! Thanks for the explanation
Great jobs, always wondered how this worked out. Glad you ok.
I have zero actual interest in all of this, but it popped up in my feed and turned out to be pretty interesting. Glad you’re safe. Thanks.
Thank you, I had some of those same questions watching other unexpected landings.
Another great video thanks for all the info.
Thank you Cody.
Besides everything else here. You seem to be an extremely nice and decent person. Thanks for sharing this!
That's a very nice thing to say.... thanks. Generally speaking, I find most pilots are great people to be around.
great story congrats looking forward to more
Thank you for lack of spectacle. To my eyes it looks like a very honest engine failure, I'm so sorry this happened to you, but thank God you are okay!
An engine is a mechanical device and things unfortunately happen, no matter how much time is on the engine. Either way, fantastic job on keeping your cool and landing your plane safely
Great job. Very informative video. I hope that if I lose an engine that it’s works out as well for me
Well done and stay safe, keep on top of servicing.
Thanks for sharing
Great story! May you travel safely.
Thank you!
What a fascinating story. I was curious about the points you made speaking to the FAA and such without legal representation. Given the situation of no damage to you, property or pax, you were in the right. (Maybe some legal minds will chime in here) I look forward to what the process is to test fly the airplane after repair, engine break in and so forth. Nice to see you didn't need to pull the chute and make a safe emergency landing
Great job for putting that plane down safely and so glad to hear you’re fine! This sounds exactly like what happened to me back in March. I had to put my Cessna 140 down on a highway in the middle of no where Texas. I was also lucky enough like you to bump into great local folks who were nothing but helpful. I put the plane down safely on a highway, no damage on the airframe, pilots were not hurt. I am wondering though, how did your insurance adjuster went about covering this incident? I’m having a very hard time right now and I had to make a tough decision to sell the plane as a project due to financial strains.
Helping to plow the field was a nice touch,great landing.
Very happy your ok !
Thanks for sharing. I here from Germany just wanna say, do not let yourself overwhelm from this experience. I had a similar experience as a pretty new pilot which brought me to the edge of my abilities and my life in real danger (VFR into IMC in mountain area and Icing) and it took me years to recover from that. I got back in the saddle the next day but for years I avoided flying if there was the smallest chance of cloudy weather. Finally when I received my IFR rating a few years later I was over it. Keep enjoying what you are doing.
Very interesting story. What an ordeal you had to go through. Glad it all worked out.
Awesome job , everyone involved , especially the Pilot of course 👏💪🥇👨✈️ you save the day and a nice good looking cirrus ✈️❤️
I’m a little late to this but you earned a big subscribe for me for using pilotage and not just pulling the chute!
Better late than never. Welcome to the family. If you saw the first video, you know I did not decide to execute the off airport landing, but rather was a servant to the brain taking over. I am a proponent of the chute in most situations, but in this case the situation was perfect for a "bean field" landing and my training and practice came through. Thanks to my CFI's. I also fly non-Cirrus aircraft, so we all have to be prepared for these events.
Nice!!!!!!(Thanks for the info!!)
Great information provided on these videos of your engine failure incident. I took some notes, but hopefully I won't need them. If I do, I hope that I am able to handle it as well as you did. (I actually have experienced an engine failure: 1/4/1997 in a Cessna 421. Fortunately, I was already at cruising altitude at time of failure and made an uneventful SE landing.)
Still impressive. Remain calm and execute. Nice job.
Thanks for sharing. Here in Alaska they sling load them on a helicopter. I’m glad you made it out ok, and as icing on the cake, your beautiful cirrus came out pretty unscathed (minus an engine).
Most planes, including some pretty rough planes get flown out
So interesting! Thank you for sharing an event that most of us will probably never get to experience and hopefully shouldn’t experience. Hope to meet you one day and talk about it over a beer.
I'm buying.
those nice words from all the airline pilots were SOO nice !
Great video
Glad your ok
I've never seen a Cirrus being transported like that. Thanks for having those photos. I don't know exactly why Cirrus did it like this, but the horizontal stabilizer is one complete piece from left to right. It's then epoxy/glued into place. Thats why they didn't remove it, and it had to be tilted. The Cessna Corvallis/Columbia 350, 400 series is different. Each stabilizer can be removed separately, in minutes!
All light aircraft can be easely dismantled in minutes - Ya just need a powerfull chainsaw ! Rebuilding is then a little more complicated though .....
Such a shame that a expensive engine like that throws a rod ! Not good glad your ok ! Nice landing
Fantastic video. Hope to see you Vloging more in the future. As a future Cirrus owner wannabe, this has been very informative. I’m still curious to know how many hours were on the engine at failure. Great work!
Thanks Kevin. I will provide all the engine info after we get a little further into the next step of the process. It's too easy to come to conclusions with some of the facts. I want to respect each person that is part of the ongoing process by providing them the opportunity to add their piece to the story as it unfolds.
Wow, took that Cirrus apart for transport like one of my R/C airplanes I flew in the '80s. At least for those it was typically 4-nylon bolts and of course I noted their were no receiver, servos, or battery-pack, in the Cirrus. Wait a minute, on second thought...
At least you didnt deploy the CAPS like most Cirrus pilots do lol. Nice job. I experienced an inflight engine failure once not long after receiving my airman's certificate and set her down nicely in a cow pasture. I radioed a friend at my home non towered airfield a few miles away and let them know where i planned to set her down, they later showed up with a trailer, we loaded the plan up and an FHP escorted us back to our air field. They never even asked for my airman's certificate which was still on paper form as I had not even received my plastic card yet.
Woooohooooo!!! Great Job!
Thanks for posting this follow up. Glad things have worked out so far and I hope that continues and you're back in the air soon. I've seen a few connecting rod lose their connection with their piston but I must say I haven't seen one quite like that. Is the piston still in the cylinder? It looks like the wrist pin left the conversation in which case it would be hard to fault the connecting rod "reaching out". I'm curious to learn more.
nice guy, bless you
Very interesting. Answering one of those 'What if' questions always occupying the back of the brain.
Glad everything is OK!!!.....
A wonderfully informative video, thank you. I wish I was able to fly, but it's so expensive here in the UK.
Does the UK have the concept of a discovery flight. Essentially a short introductory flight lesson. The only issue is, it can lead to the next flight and then the next one.... and so on, and so on, etc.
Great videos. This is a wonderful way to teach us that have not gone through this, what the experience is like. Not just with the FAA, but all of the above. I agree with the others about not just pulling the chute. You had control of the plane, were low in altitude, and could maneuver to an open space. Your few seconds of opportunity to pull the chute at the altitude you were would have made it a chance bet as to the outcome. You could have drifted into power lines, buildings, etc. If I’m out of control, I’m pulling the chute; if I have control, not so fast. We can all be Monday morning quarterback critics, but it doesn’t matter. In the end, the outcome is what matters, and all the could’ve, would’ve doesn’t matter here.
Thanks Scott. It seems like politics and religion, there are people firmly on one side or another of the parachute thing. I bought the Cirrus because of the safety of the parachute. It absolutely saves lives. My experience with the engine out is not meant to be about the chute. It's really about how the brain helped me and right or wrong, I walked away. I had the good fortune of being over a lot of farm fields. I had a good headwind (once I did the 180), which took a lot of energy out of my touchdown. In many other circumstances, I would've pulled the chute. But I can only tell everyone what happened in this case. I am so energized about the empowerment we all have to train, practice, and study in order to help us in a variety of emergency or stressful situations, regardless of what type of airplane we're flying.
@@pfflying6275 Absolutely. I look forward to seeing her patched up. Maybe we’ll bump into each other again at KRPJ.
Great story and details you shared. I’m curious if you could also share the out of pocket costs for this adventure. We all know nothing is cheap in aviation but this type experience is beyond the expected. Thanks again.
Without getting into the specifics, the impact financially was educational to say the least. Starting with the removal of the plane from the field. Then getting me home came at a cost of course. From there, the new engine, rental of aircraft to fly while my bird was getting fixed, insurance premiums went up, related costs to get her back to flying shape, loss of value of the aircraft needs to be considered, and probably a few more categories I am forgetting.
Great soft field landing! You were very lucky in a soft muddy field that it didn't grab and collapse the nose gear.
Carl, I have replayed the good, the bad, and the "lucky" of the experience many times. Part of me thinks the soft field may have contributed to saving my life. As the mains touched, there was a significant deceleration as the plane sunk into the field slightly. That instant loss of ground speed and energy happened for a moment while I was in the flare. Cannot remember how the long the nose gear remained off the ground, but I remember keeping the stick back. It was only a 429 foot ground roll, so it would've come down relatively quickly, but assume the ground speed was safe at that point.
Been involved with many plane recoveries here at my field as we have a flying school. Most have been fixed, towed to a road and flown off.
I like how you flew the airplane to a landing. I have a bunch of Cirrus time. Some of my students INSIST on pulling the chute if they have any problems. I see the parachute as a last resort (only if there is no way to land in a field). I'm based at 82IS (northwest suburbs of Chicago).
I know of 82IS. I was a passenger in a plane that did a low pass there several years ago. Looks like a wonderful place to fly out of.
Oh wow! You went down like, 30 minutes from me! Thats crazy! Lol Glad youre safe!
Thanks for watching and adding your comments.
At 2:59 it looks like an intact conrod exited the engine casing, possibly without the wrist pin or piston!!
You definitely will want to figure out how that happened. So should the manufacturer, whoever serviced it, and the relevant official agencies.
Good luck. And congratulations on a superb safe landing.
Seen something similar on a marine rotax. Wrist pin walked out and left the piston in the jug while going out for some fresh air. Not being familiar with the Cirrus, looks like a Continental in there? Regardless, that shouldn't happen.
Cool stuff! I'm an A&P/structures guy and have removed Cessna wings twice, quite easy, but I suspect pulling a Cirrus wing off its fuselage is at another level! Looks like fun. I'm also a commercial/instrument pilot (non-career, so far) so was curious about your CAPS decision, or if there even was one. I left a long comment about this in your excellent, original video. I've always thought if I can reasonably land, I'm _not_ going to pull the CAPS & total the plane.
You saw my reply on your other comment. The fuselage is like two or four bolts. the wing and the gear stay intact. I think I included a picture of the two items in the video attached here. Thanks for the comments. All the best and blue skies.
Any landing you walk away from is a good landing.... Glad you made it out safe, and the aircraft was relatively undamaged.