The whole banishment to the Void was a metaphore that Disney owns now the Fox... That's why Gambit said: "Maybe I was born here" because Fox delayed his movie till the Disney acquisition.
Yeah I was about to say the same thing. Another clue was the fact that all the characters used was from all the scrapped ideas or fan favorites that just didn't get their press forward.
Yeah, and I didn't catch it til after getting home and watching youtube clips, but when Gambit introduced himself as "Gambit," Deadpool responded with "Are you sure you just didn't really want them to and they just never did?" Knowing what we know now, that line has a whole different meaning.
Yeah, and how the beacon was lost, since the most profitable character was wolverine and died in logan, the whole universe (the cast from fox) was not needed anymore and left in the void (cutting floor)
yeah she's a beast and the actress has done a phenomenal job of playing the character. she's been a stone cold killer since she was a kid (even more than wolverine!) im really hoping they continue to use her in following films
Look at the five heroes we saw in the Void. Elektra, Blade, Johnny, Gambit, Laura. An assassin, a hunter, a hotshot pilot, a gambler and a (slight feral) young adult (though she is a lot better in D&W) All these types are the ones that will jump first without thinking. Except for Cassandra, most of the villains shown in the void are the same way. Jump first. Think later. That is likely the profile that Paradox targeted as possible agents that can be used in various timelines. They likely looked at the fine print, like Wade did, and rejected Paradox's offer, only to get sent to the Void. We saw that Paradox had an agent in the Void.
Orrrrr..... These people were already in the void. Loki is nice now n all but he wouldn't be saving every single person in the void. That would lead to a number of incursion type scenarios.
@@summertyme5748 No he is right, that really is marvels trait over Dc. Dc heroes will show up to a new threat and be like "who are you what do you want?" before someone important dies. Marvel heroes will attack literally any threat right away ask questions later. Generally speaking
Laura was freaking great. Full-on Wolvie threat level, but absolutely her own person. I'm so glad they got the actor back for that role. It absolutely gutted me seeing her there.
It’s because we spend so much time online. Screen time speeds up our perception of time. I started limiting myself to no more than an hour per day and things kind of leveled out. Hey, I’m almost 43. I’m in no hurry to get any older any faster.
I think you’re as right as could be. The timelines of Fox could bury a writing room for 10 years and still not be right lol. I do hope X-23 is in future productions. Played by a very talented actor, young enough to play a non-aging character for quite some time and a perfect example of great writing for female leads.
I think the whole point of the movie is that it breaks the 4th wall and doesn't give a shit about stupid timelines. Just the love and nostalgia of the previous movies. It dispenses with perfect time line continuity and just says fuck it, lets just have fun. And it works damn near flawlessly.
If Paradox attempted to recruit Laura and failed then chances are that he put her in the Void for the simple purpose of her not only being a threat to his plans but because she could prove useful later. Although there was the threat of Alioth in the Void, Paradox would probably still use her and the heroes that were banished to the Void for something later. If we're to believe that the TVA is still making sure that no version of Kang can become a problem then it's best to have a back up team of heroes and villains in the Void if all else fails. Paradox might have used them to fight back against Kang should any plans to stop a version of him fail. I'd even argue that they would/could be used against Dr. Doom since we're suppose to be getting him later on too; if he becomes a multiversal threat, kicking off Secret Wars, and causing problems in all timelines that could stop certain heroes then you have some in reserve to fight back just in case he doesn't get to them.
Lmao or it’s what they wrote down so writers made it happen did you know that there isn’t much beyond that dude… your comic movies do t just come to life and make themselfs up lmao
What most people don’t think of is that in Deadpool and Wolverine when Deadpool visits wolverine’s grave he was using a tempad he more than likely traveled to the future likewise Laura Kinney was likely pulled from further in the future it’s the most obvious explanation
Another thing is alternate universes too, for all we know the Logan skeleton Deadpool uses is not the Logan we watched in Logan and just another offset timeline.
Well, it makes sense when you consider the condition of Logan’s corpse. That wasn’t a body that had been in the ground for a short time, his flesh was all but gone. That takes years.
no guys, the people in the void that were there were there from the old kang ruled TVA. electra was put there the second the netflix electra became cannon, old mags was put there the second micheal fastbender played him, johnny storm the second the new FF was made, gambit the second they cast tatum but them trashed the production. essentially the second disney purchased fox every single character ended up there save deadpool and wolverine, the two characters whose popularity and plot device allowed them to stay in multiple timelines. paradox had nothing to do with it. he couldnt prune any previous time lines because his pruning machine was not done. deadpool was his first and only target.
Paradox probably wouldn't agree to bring them. If we're operating under the impression that he was trying to recruit her, chances are they weren't going to be a package deal. We saw with Deadpool being recruited that he wasn't even allowed to bring his friends and family with them.
@@shadowwriter4538 wait but like arent laura and deadpool from the same universe as established in the movie? Isnt the universe erased when paradox tries to recruit them.
Yep Wolverine was supposed to be alive in the time of DP3 with no alt-dimension hunting for him or anything. I guess they changed it to add more plot points
You’re assuming that she was pruned for the same reasons as Electra and blade. Considering that she was a clone, it’s likely that she was pruned because she should have never existed in the first place, or maybe she was supposed to die in Logan but Logan saved her and therefor she was pruned. It’s interesting to consider…
They explained this in the film, they were filmed because they were seen as people likely to try to fight back against their universes dying. Also, Deadpool asked the head of the tva to save them all.
I think this is accurate because technically, the Logan timeline is not supposed to be canon because the X-Men are supposed to live and thrive and not die off every 10 years.
Yep, and the reason their universes were collapsing was because the characters were supposed to get movies / had ongoing franchises but they got canceled hence the reason they got erased from their timelines.
I feel like because of how close X-23 was to Wolverine Paradox wanted to save her but she refused the same way Deadpool did so she was pruned as a result
I think she was supposed to get die in that jungle fight at logan..but she lived and logan died..and she got older and she get away whenever the tva agents arrive but at some point they proned her.
Then honestly, don't watch Marvel. Yes it's confusing and convoluted, but it's Marvel, it's been a part of the comics (even if other comic companies) since around the beginning
Let us not forget that the TVA overlooks what would otherwise be gross violations of the timeline because these actions ultimately serve the sacred timeline. E.G. Traveling through time to return the infinity stones. The avengers were given a pass on this because it was considered a scheduled event.
That's just ONE of the causes behind Incursions. Others would be due to an erosion between realities colliding and having someone from an alternative reality, like Strange, being in a reality that they are not from. Dreamwalking isn't the only way to cause Incursions.
Paradox simpley pulled them for ways to kill Cassandra when they disagree he prune them right after having them witness there timeline being wiped. Loki is in control of the timelines so incursion arnt a thing anymore at the end of the film it was loki that repaired it. But the tva does prevent things from happening unless loki says otherwise.
It's the Logan and Laura that's been with us throughout the movie, when deadpool is talking to hunter B-15 I think that's her name well her talks to her about his friends that stayed behind so they could save everyone. He is talking about the Heroes that were in the void at the end. I don't know if the others got sent back to their own universes, or they are somewhere in the MCU or another time line. But Logan and Laura ended up with deadpool. She also explains why she can't save Logan timeline. But if she can't fix any of their time lines where is everyone else.
I am surprised that Anyone from Legion and The Gifted was not in the void. It be cool to see a Good version of David Haller who never became schizophrenic due Shadow King haunting him. I just saw Dan Stevens in Cuckoos movie. Or maybe a version of Lenny but as a host of the Shadow King. It would acknowledge the mutant mutant Switch’s time traveling powers so she and father would be either above TVA’s authority or they are targeted by Paradox and the TVA. Also remember Hellfire Club from X Men was supposed to be a TV series but it never happened due to the Disney merge. It would’ve been cool that was also acknowledged just like Channing tatum’s Gambit
all the references to undone projects and casting choices like that had me half expecting to see a CGI bob hoskins wolverine(back in the 90s after roger rabbit and the mario brothers movie showed he could do a grizzled american "working class ruffian" character, a LOT of talk about him being cast as Logan was kicked around for a while, since he would have been broadshouldered, height accurate, and could easily do the gravelly "Bub" dialogue. if we got a wolverine film in the 90's, i would have loved to see Schwarzenegger as Collosus shot putting Hoskins as Wolverine directly at a Sentinel.) and yeah, Disney would NEVER do the Hellfire Club series. "The Hellfire Club" was a real life thing, it was a group of secret societies from the 1700s, mostly made up of aristocratic scholars engaging in discussions/research into things the the restrictive church would consider heretical at the time, not unlike the freemasons or the illuminati, and christian nutjobs hang the same satanic conspiracy nonsense on them as on the masons/illuminati. Disney already gets enough of that heat from those weirdos as is, and likely wouldn't want to throw such obvious fuel onto the fire. the fact that one of the members of marvel's hellfire club from Origins was Azazel, who looks like mephistopheles, has literally pretended to be satan before in the comics, and who's name is the name of a real demon in abrahamic demonology(the story of the "Scapegoat" from the bible references jews designating a goat as pure for sacrifice to god, and designates another goat as bearing the sins of the jewish people, for sacrifice to Azazel/the scapegoat. Leviticus 16:8) so yeah, disney wasn't looking to fan any flames, and that project was destined to die.
I appreciate your attempt to make sense out of this but I think it is not relevant to the overall picture. My read is this is a meta movie, and these characters in the void is in a limbo because Marvel doesn’t know what to do with them. They are FOX Marvel characters “invited” to join the MCU (sacred timeline) but casted into the void because MCU IRL still doesn’t know how they would fit in. The world these characters come from will teeter out of existence because all the supporting characters in previous FOX movies will not join the MCU.
It's also because they were supposed to get movies or had franchises at the time but it went downhill due to their movies being canceled and so they were sent to the void since they were declared useless.
There is a difference between hopping timelines(branches) and hopping universes(trees) . Only America Chavez can hop trees. Anyone can hop branches(Loki, Captain Carter, Wanda, Dr Strange, etc)
Dr strange has a cross universal nexus, Wanda has her own method as good or better than physical travel to another universe. Only America Chavez can hop trees lmao cmon bud pass me that joint and go take a nap
@@codyorion590 yeah but the physical travel can only be achieved via America Chavez. When you see other characters hop other realities they are only hopping timelines of the 616 not branches .The way Deadpool hopped many Fox timelines to find a Wolverine .
@@Daniel06111982 exactly . The TVA can hop to any tree or branch within their per view especially at B 15’s new position but Loki is strictly allowing the 616 tree and branches to grow unchecked . He’s not concerned with other trees unless it involves protecting the 616 tree from the Kang variants(and other multiversal villains) that rule over said trees .
Biggest travesty by Disney since they required Marvel. We should have had a X-23 movie and so perfect to carry on the Wolverine. I saw Deadpool & Wolverine a sort of show up of Disney and Fox and the characters they forgot about.
It’s amazing seeing her decide to put on the claws again. Especially after that shadman shit. I’m glad she could find peace with that trauma and return and be better then ever
@@ashcraft257 Ok, can you tell me where they said that, cause I’ve searched and haven’t seen where they’ve officially announced that, I’m not trying to sound rude, I’m genuinely curious as to where this information is, thank you
Paradox said that they were pruned because they were seen as potential problem causers in dying universes. Odds are she was given the same offer as Deadpool
Laura's healing factor could make her look younger than she really is, meaning her stay in both her home timeline and in the Void could be a lot longer than expected.
As you said an incursion is when the barrier between two worlds is damaged by the presence of an individual from one timeline is in another timeline, but if Paradox is deleting timelines then there would be no risk of an incursion because the other timeline no longer exists.
1:34 genuine question, does dreamwalking cause the same problems as physically entering another universe? good luck to the tva trying to catch wanda, also where even is she?
oh i see youve addressed this at the end - but then it kinda makes me wonder if Wanda wasnt even on their radar at the time - it seems to me that America was doing some heavy duty reality jumping and was really breaking some star-shaped holes in the multiverse. its possible they wanted Wanda to solve the threat because the TVA knew better than to get in her way. still im not seeing the same response to Wanda's dreamwalking that Dr. Strange got from Charlize Therons character (cant recall her name) and i think its because Dr. Strange and America were physically entering other universes, while Wanda only dreamwalked. Even when Dr. Strange dreamwalks the biggest problem seems to be that he inhabits a dead body, something Wanda didnt do. as far as i know, dreamwalking is bad for the soul, but not necessarily bad for the multiverse - meaning Wanda isnt causing incursions, but Dr. Strange absolutely is (spiderman, multiverse of madness).
My theory is around the same time the TVA were looking out for Deadpool, X23 found out about their plan to destroy that timeline and tried to stopped them, but unfortunately got sent to the void.
Here is another look...X-23 was pruned right away and grew up in the Void. Remember Gambit said he thinks he was born there - because he doesn't remember as he's been there so long. All that's said is they were a problem in their timeline so they got pruned. Who knows how long some of them have been there. The TVA put Laura back in her timeline where she belongs. Another theory...pruning Laura NOT Wolverine is what caused the bad timeline and now she's returned it will be normal; NOT because of how DW killed Cassandra. Loki needed DW to find her and possibly the others in the Void to set the timelines right again. A good spin would be leaving Gambit there and the start of his movie would be him breaking out of the Void - finally to fall into a world he knows even less about.
Love that Loki took over the time lines his mind was the only one chaotic enough to support it , think it gave him the respect he should have gotten in the avengers series he seemed very underpowered it never made sense to me
or having an anchor being from a different reality draws their reality towards the one they are in. paradox might have been relocating anchor beings into new realities and causing the death of both as a method of destruction before the reality ripper.
Wouldn't the incursions caused by heroes being moved to other timelines be prevented by the pruning of their original timeline? An incursion is a result of the two timelines colliding, so if one of those timelines was removed, then there would be no collision, and therefore no incursion. Seems to me like Paradox had thought his plan through pretty well to avoid these sorts of issues.
Fingers crossed for a new X-Men movie with this Logan, this x23 and Deadpool finally in the team. Revived timeline baby, next movie they recruit King Dracula, the money and percs will flow like wine from the nipple of Dionysius, Drac and doin lines off Deadpools but. He doesn't give a s**t.
Would love to see a movie with X-23 and her life between young X-23 to the Deadpool/Wolverine adult X-23. All the fights with different Marvel varieties and why did she seem to expect both Deadpool and Wolverine in her timeline. Sort of a Marvel, Mad Max, X-23 movie?
I think this video is digging deeper than what it actually is. I think the void is just a play off of the multiverse about where these characters are that we know exist in the MCU but just never seen again. I'm sure if the budget allowed it, we would've seen Eric Bana and Ed Norton Jr. I'm just most disappointed we didn't get a Green Lantern cameo. Not even a Green Lanternpool variant.
Here is my question, how did a bunch of TVA agents with no special powers able to catch and send some of these super powerful people to the void. Someone like X23 who is lightning fast and with super senses or Blade or Azazel who can literally teleport away in a faction of a second..
It’s called technology also the tva knows everyone’s weakness they catch you when you are caught off guard. Case in point with Wade they nabbed him at his birthday party. He literally assumed that they were strippers. Again see, caught off guard. It’s pretty self explanatory.
@@master-of-mind5881 I know that's what they show us but realistically, would it be that easy, take your example. Wade, Deadpool, is by so far stronger than those TVA agents, he is trained in all types of martial arts that are pretty much second nature to him plus he has lightning fast reaction time. He can lift about 2 tons and he once threw Goliath at Hercules like a rag doll. To pull him, it would be like a one hundred pound dude trying to move a 500 pound person that can react and kill you in a friction of a second... And that's just Deadpool. There are other even stronger powerhouses like Dr. Strange and others with super senses or omega level powers..
@@fridayblues216The TVA see everything that happens to everyone in every timeline correct? They can also freeze people in time. Loki did this to B-15 in season one. So how easy is it for the TVA agents to freeze someone who is otherwise superhuman. Same happened to Loki and Sylvie when they tried to kill he who remains. He kept jumping or freezing them. In Deadpool’s case if he and the TVA existed, paradox could just simply send the TVA agents to any point in the timeline where Deadpool is jumping or leaping through the air and just open up a portal and boom. He’s captured. Remember when he grabbed the time pad after attacking paradox and he leaps (in slo-mo) into the air opens the portal right above the admin guy who was sitting at a desk and holding a mug. TVA do this all the time to their targets, we just don’t see it.
@@master-of-mind5881 I see what you are saying. So why didn't they freeze Deadpool and instead allowed all these TVA agents to died brutally trying to fight him ? Why don't they just freeze every one they want to catch first so they wouldn't even need to fight at all?
@@fridayblues216 You are thinking too realistically and it’s unhealthy. The film is R-rated for a reason. Violence is necessary and the tva agents are the sacrificial lambs that get slaughtered. They served their purpose, narratively speaking. Every story contradicts its own logic. If you try to apply common sense or reasoning to fiction, you will go insane. Stop it. Just enjoy it man. Thinking about all these unnecessary details or flaws goes nowhere. Every movie has flaws dude. Also every story needs disposable characters. The tva are just that nothing more. The storyline is convoluted anyway. The anchor being thing is silly. Life goes on.
I think it's a little simpler than she was going to fight for her timeline. If at the death of logan he was the anchor It's possible that the short time Laura spent with Logan combined with the knowledge from the comics to might have turned her into the new Anchorage, and he wanted that universe to end no matter what.
Well if you consider the idea that a timeline dies once it loses its anchor being there is another possibility. It doesn't make much sense given that the timeline existed before Wolverine's birth and even if he dies one could still jump back in time to when he is alive on the timeline. So what if Wolverine being the anchor being was transferred to Laura, but Paradox not realizing this attempted to remove her from Earth 10005, and by removing her from that universe effectively removed the new anchor being, leaving the timeline to start withering and dying off. Remember we're told at the end of the movie that the timeline is no longer dying, and who is shown at the end of the movie back in 10005 sitting at the table, but Laura. By restoring her to the timeline it effectively saved it. If this were the case then it's likely that Laura might have been pruned a much longer time ago and has spent years growing up in the Void. After all, it doesn't matter what year in the timeline you were pruned because they all go to the same place, and traveling to points along the timeline is simple for the TVA. Once Laura was removed and sent to the Void the timeline began to wither, the TVA detected this and ordered Paradox to monitor it, but he decides to destroy the timeline entirely, either due to his impatience, or to cover up his screwing up and sending Laura to the Void, dooming that universe. However he still intends to save a few heroes from that timeline to move to the main timeline, but if he's not careful he might create an incursion, but if he destroys that timeline first the two universes can't make an incursion as one no longer exists. Thus he must first build the machine to destroy the universe and then grab those he wants to keep, move them, and blow up the timeline before the incursion has time to take effect. After all if dreamwalking was the actual threat to cause an Incursion then the Illuminati would have been far more concerned with Wanda than Strange who was there by more direct means. I think moving from one universe to another is like having two balloons next to each other and poking a hole causing the two universes to touch and the air in one to flow into the other causing the other to deflate, or leak out between the two causing both to deflate whereas dreamwalking is more like stretching the fabric of that balloon to overlap with yourself on another balloon, but the air inside both balloons never touches.
Reid Richards could still be right. If Paradox is “pruning” the timelines from which he’s taking the heroes, there wouldn’t be a second timeline left to cause a collapse of their new home.
The 'Void' is meta...all the characters inhabiting it are from adaptations that were eventually abandoned or replaced by their respective studios OR were from one-off projects(like X-23 from "Logan"). Except Gambit, in a double-meta moment, says something to the effect that he 'may have been born in the Void but wasn't sure' when he first shows up in the movie(because, in fact, he HAD...as this was his first live action appearance).
Speaking of Marvel properties abandoned or are one-offs...I now realize that Reynolds and company missed a golden opportunity to bring back 80s Howard the Duck. lol
Imagine if they retcon the Incredible Hulk with this by saying that movie was from a different timeline, and Paradox relocated Thunderbolt Ross to the main MCU.
Both came from 616 where logan died, which is when the timeline became doomed. Once logan was revealed as the anchor being for the universe, that led me to believe that old man logan was not supposed to die where and when he did. I believe X23 was supposed to be captured and weaponized, and logan was to live on being the anchor being, hence why she was banished to the void, her "variant" indirectly caused the destruction of an entire timeline because she was saved.
7:10 There's probably nothing to collide with if the other reality's been pruned or destroyed. So pruning probably stops the adverse effects of incursions.
Something that people don't talk about when B-15 was told their was an unsanctioned Time Ripper activation she didn't ask what's a time ripper she knew Paradox didn’t come up with the idea the TVA did
Daphne Keen is wonderful as Laura. I’d love to see more of her. Disney’s written a lot of bad female characters since the late 2010s. They’ve also cast some talented actresses in parts they weren’t suited for & hired a few straight-up narcissists (*cough* Brie Larson *cough*) There are some genuine gold nuggets mixed in with the pyrite lumps, though. Daphne was a Fox find, but she’s definitely worth keeping. Hailie & Flo are both great. One actress from the past I’d love to see return is Anna Paquin. She’s barely been in any of the Fox movies since the original X-Men but she’s only 42. Might just be me but I’d love to see a version of Rogue show up, one who has already stripped Carol Danvers of her powers. Alternately, this might be a good way to write off Brie Larson. 😁 This might require some shenanigans seeing as how in the comics Captain Marvel’s powers at the time were limited to flight, super-human strength, durability & some modest extra-sensory awareness. I’m sure there’s a way to make this work…
The question I have is why did Paradox try and prune 10003 before Logan dies? You would think there would be some blow back if the TVA pruned a timeline before an anchor being dies. Also what happens to Deadpool between when he is recruited to when Logan dies before paradox intervenes? There are a lot of unanswered questions.
Oh thank the Maker, I've been wanting to know this. Also why does Laura have adamantium claws, in Logan she only had boneclaws will she also get poisoned by them?
The New Mutants film had Magic pretty down pat, maybe the next time they show her will have some of the actors from that film and/or the X-Factor like show called "The Gifted".
I like your theory about this but I also think Loki knew that he would need her and Deadpool will be going to the void so they can meet up and have another chance with wolverine and x-23 cuz that was basically like a father figure to her
Its also possible Paradox only relocated another timeline permanently, only if their moved person's timeline is already gone. So there is no other reality to collide with their new one.
x-23 looks about 18-22 this means she is actualy near 30 most likely,her healing kicked in earlier then that of wolverine when she was 9 somewhere it was a more forced manifestation and wolverine was 15-16 when it started but it didnt fully kick in till he was 18 somewhere.
It makes more sense to me if all the variants DP teamed up with were also recruited by Paradox. I wish the movie told it like that so it's more satisfying defeat of Paradox
The "times" don't need to line up. Because the TVA are able to go from universe to universe and ANY point in time, along said universe. Example: Loki was able to visit a natural disaster at some point in the future from the point in which he was broken off from.
The one question open for me in this theory would be that the tva noticed the activation of the time ripper in deadpool and wolverin, and there is not much for me to suggest that Paradox had a mechanism up that would hide this. So how could he have used time rippers multiple times already wihout the tva noticing?
Loki does not control the multiverse : he is allowing the branches of the 616 tree or universe to grow unchecked and this is making the 616 visible to the Kang variants seen in the post credits of Quantumania.
1. It's a shame Ioan Gruffud, Jessica Alba, and Michael Chiklis didn't return as Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman and The Thing respectfully. Realistically, they were either never asked or decided not to return. In universe, Cassandra Nova more than likely killed them, especially Reed who could've created a device to escape the Void with enough time and with the right parts. 2. Wouldn't have been cool to see some Sentinels patrolling in the background as set dressing for the Void? Personally, I would've loved to see a fight scene involving one comic accurate Sentinel, three stories tall and everything.
So I believe it was Blade, maybe Elektra, that said there was a knock and the door and the TVA banished them to the void. They didn't get the offer from Paradox. The TVA had been watching them and knew they couldn't be said and would cause problems. How did we get this much wrong, dude?
The whole banishment to the Void was a metaphore that Disney owns now the Fox...
That's why Gambit said: "Maybe I was born here" because Fox delayed his movie till the Disney acquisition.
Yeah I was about to say the same thing. Another clue was the fact that all the characters used was from all the scrapped ideas or fan favorites that just didn't get their press forward.
Yeah, and I didn't catch it til after getting home and watching youtube clips, but when Gambit introduced himself as "Gambit," Deadpool responded with "Are you sure you just didn't really want them to and they just never did?" Knowing what we know now, that line has a whole different meaning.
Good story
The Gambit banishment to the void was different, it was a 'should have happened' but 'didn't happen' inside joke for some.
Yeah, and how the beacon was lost, since the most profitable character was wolverine and died in logan, the whole universe (the cast from fox) was not needed anymore and left in the void (cutting floor)
Seeing her grown up I think she definitely has the look/presence of an action star. It was somewhat believable seeing her take out Juggernaut.
yeah she's a beast and the actress has done a phenomenal job of playing the character. she's been a stone cold killer since she was a kid (even more than wolverine!) im really hoping they continue to use her in following films
That Juggernaut was a bitch compared to the one in Deadpool 2.
She looked weird as a kid but she got hot damn
That juggernaut was nerfed af tho.
@@gabrielfrost9134 facts. she should not have been able to pierce juggernaut
Look at the five heroes we saw in the Void. Elektra, Blade, Johnny, Gambit, Laura. An assassin, a hunter, a hotshot pilot, a gambler and a (slight feral) young adult (though she is a lot better in D&W) All these types are the ones that will jump first without thinking. Except for Cassandra, most of the villains shown in the void are the same way. Jump first. Think later. That is likely the profile that Paradox targeted as possible agents that can be used in various timelines.
They likely looked at the fine print, like Wade did, and rejected Paradox's offer, only to get sent to the Void.
We saw that Paradox had an agent in the Void.
_will jump first without thinking_
That's Marvel's writing motto.
@@summertyme5748 Except for the first Ant-man film and Endgame. Both films showing how important planning and preparing is.
Orrrrr..... These people were already in the void. Loki is nice now n all but he wouldn't be saving every single person in the void.
That would lead to a number of incursion type scenarios.
@@summertyme5748 No he is right, that really is marvels trait over Dc. Dc heroes will show up to a new threat and be like "who are you what do you want?" before someone important dies. Marvel heroes will attack literally any threat right away ask questions later. Generally speaking
Punisher too.
Laura was freaking great. Full-on Wolvie threat level, but absolutely her own person. I'm so glad they got the actor back for that role. It absolutely gutted me seeing her there.
I can't believe it's been that long since LOGAN, how time flies nowadays.
It’s because we spend so much time online. Screen time speeds up our perception of time. I started limiting myself to no more than an hour per day and things kind of leveled out. Hey, I’m almost 43. I’m in no hurry to get any older any faster.
She probably stole too many pairs of sunglasses and was sent to the void
Ha, I forgot she stole those.
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I think you’re as right as could be. The timelines of Fox could bury a writing room for 10 years and still not be right lol. I do hope X-23 is in future productions. Played by a very talented actor, young enough to play a non-aging character for quite some time and a perfect example of great writing for female leads.
Bruh I would love this so much. I hope this becomes a reality.
I'd love to see her in a potential Avengers Academy show or movie.
She needs her own movie already.
‘ marvel presents: X-23: Laura and Wolverine
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I think the whole point of the movie is that it breaks the 4th wall and doesn't give a shit about stupid timelines. Just the love and nostalgia of the previous movies. It dispenses with perfect time line continuity and just says fuck it, lets just have fun. And it works damn near flawlessly.
If Paradox attempted to recruit Laura and failed then chances are that he put her in the Void for the simple purpose of her not only being a threat to his plans but because she could prove useful later. Although there was the threat of Alioth in the Void, Paradox would probably still use her and the heroes that were banished to the Void for something later. If we're to believe that the TVA is still making sure that no version of Kang can become a problem then it's best to have a back up team of heroes and villains in the Void if all else fails. Paradox might have used them to fight back against Kang should any plans to stop a version of him fail. I'd even argue that they would/could be used against Dr. Doom since we're suppose to be getting him later on too; if he becomes a multiversal threat, kicking off Secret Wars, and causing problems in all timelines that could stop certain heroes then you have some in reserve to fight back just in case he doesn't get to them.
Lmao or it’s what they wrote down so writers made it happen did you know that there isn’t much beyond that dude… your comic movies do t just come to life and make themselfs up lmao
No no no the tva was scared asf to face off against the Scarlett Witch and the Doctor of Strange 😂
Doctor of strange💀💀💀
@@JustinHerbertisPookiethe strange doctor xd
Why ?
the strange of doctors
@@FlyingShadow11 the doctor’s stranger
I really hope the MCU give Laura her own trilogy.
In Deadpool & Wolverine at least, Its simply a TVA Agent going rogue.
So we can say paradox has killed more people than thanos
Since he destroy whole realities, not just a planet
We need a x23 movie
They will never do it….to many idiots who don’t like female lead roles, even though All the best franchises are female lead
No
@@BETTALIFE101 Why???
@@TheGoldenPlatoon757 all that annoying screaming she does.
@@BETTALIFE101 Truth, lol!
What most people don’t think of is that in Deadpool and Wolverine when Deadpool visits wolverine’s grave he was using a tempad he more than likely traveled to the future likewise Laura Kinney was likely pulled from further in the future it’s the most obvious explanation
Never thought of that but it’s so simple and you’re so right.
Another thing is alternate universes too, for all we know the Logan skeleton Deadpool uses is not the Logan we watched in Logan and just another offset timeline.
Well, it makes sense when you consider the condition of Logan’s corpse. That wasn’t a body that had been in the ground for a short time, his flesh was all but gone. That takes years.
no guys, the people in the void that were there were there from the old kang ruled TVA. electra was put there the second the netflix electra became cannon, old mags was put there the second micheal fastbender played him, johnny storm the second the new FF was made, gambit the second they cast tatum but them trashed the production. essentially the second disney purchased fox every single character ended up there save deadpool and wolverine, the two characters whose popularity and plot device allowed them to stay in multiple timelines. paradox had nothing to do with it. he couldnt prune any previous time lines because his pruning machine was not done. deadpool was his first and only target.
Speaking of X-23, what happened to the other mutant kids after Logan?
Hey that's right. What did happened to them?
What if their the kids that are in the new mutants just years later
@@haydenmiller1115 hmmm no because there were a lot of kids in Logan. In the new mutants movie there were 5
Paradox probably wouldn't agree to bring them. If we're operating under the impression that he was trying to recruit her, chances are they weren't going to be a package deal. We saw with Deadpool being recruited that he wasn't even allowed to bring his friends and family with them.
@@shadowwriter4538 wait but like arent laura and deadpool from the same universe as established in the movie? Isnt the universe erased when paradox tries to recruit them.
I think the problem lies in trying to force Logan into Deadpool's timeline. Colossus confirms the Professor is alive at least in Deadpool 1.
Yep Wolverine was supposed to be alive in the time of DP3 with no alt-dimension hunting for him or anything. I guess they changed it to add more plot points
McAvoy or Stewart?
Stewart
It would’ve been better if Deadpool and the X-men universe were just 2 separate universes
@@TheIdiotFr0102 or they just didn't mess up deadpool in x3 or whatever
You’re assuming that she was pruned for the same reasons as Electra and blade. Considering that she was a clone, it’s likely that she was pruned because she should have never existed in the first place, or maybe she was supposed to die in Logan but Logan saved her and therefor she was pruned. It’s interesting to consider…
She was really good in the film.
You mean hot? She was, I was shocked myself. Because last time I saw her in Logan she was a little kid.
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Yeah she has fairly grown up.
@@krypto6848 She is hot as fuck and those recent pictures definitely show it, lol!
I just assumed X-23 and all the others were pruned before the events of Loki.
They explained this in the film, they were filmed because they were seen as people likely to try to fight back against their universes dying. Also, Deadpool asked the head of the tva to save them all.
I think this is accurate because technically, the Logan timeline is not supposed to be canon because the X-Men are supposed to live and thrive and not die off every 10 years.
All for stupid was Deadpool and Wolverine yeah
Yep, and the reason their universes were collapsing was because the characters were supposed to get movies / had ongoing franchises but they got canceled hence the reason they got erased from their timelines.
I feel like because of how close X-23 was to Wolverine Paradox wanted to save her but she refused the same way Deadpool did so she was pruned as a result
X-23 should have her own movie. Hopefully, that's why they were in Dead Pool and Wolverine.
She
I think she was supposed to get die in that jungle fight at logan..but she lived and logan died..and she got older and she get away whenever the tva agents arrive but at some point they proned her.
This why a lot of people don’t like the multiverse. 😅
Then honestly, don't watch Marvel. Yes it's confusing and convoluted, but it's Marvel, it's been a part of the comics (even if other comic companies) since around the beginning
@@MetriToombs And it's always been stupid.
You know the first person to be dumped into the Void was Anna Paquin as ROGUE
@@MetriToombsThey're moving away from the multiverse. And if you don't like that don't watch marvel
@@imelatedrn never said I didn't, but also, I highly doubt that. Franklin Richard's def coming
Let us not forget that the TVA overlooks what would otherwise be gross violations of the timeline because these actions ultimately serve the sacred timeline. E.G. Traveling through time to return the infinity stones. The avengers were given a pass on this because it was considered a scheduled event.
They actually said in Multiverse of Madness that it's dreamwalking that caused incursions.
That's just ONE of the causes behind Incursions. Others would be due to an erosion between realities colliding and having someone from an alternative reality, like Strange, being in a reality that they are not from.
Dreamwalking isn't the only way to cause Incursions.
Paradox simpley pulled them for ways to kill Cassandra when they disagree he prune them right after having them witness there timeline being wiped.
Loki is in control of the timelines so incursion arnt a thing anymore at the end of the film it was loki that repaired it. But the tva does prevent things from happening unless loki says otherwise.
I want to see MORE X-23 in the MCU!!!
Will x-23 be in the young avengers now that she is at the right age to be in the group and when she's older she can join the x-men
That’s an awesome idea and MCU should take note from you 😍
Doesnt the end of Deadpool and Wolverine show that an Older Laura Kinney is now in her universes Past?
Wolverine and Laura are not from deadpools universe
I think
It's the Logan and Laura that's been with us throughout the movie, when deadpool is talking to hunter B-15 I think that's her name well her talks to her about his friends that stayed behind so they could save everyone. He is talking about the Heroes that were in the void at the end. I don't know if the others got sent back to their own universes, or they are somewhere in the MCU or another time line. But Logan and Laura ended up with deadpool. She also explains why she can't save Logan timeline. But if she can't fix any of their time lines where is everyone else.
I am surprised that Anyone from Legion and The Gifted was not in the void.
It be cool to see a Good version of David Haller who never became schizophrenic due Shadow King haunting him. I just saw Dan Stevens in Cuckoos movie.
Or maybe a version of Lenny but as a host of the Shadow King.
It would acknowledge the mutant mutant Switch’s time traveling powers so she and father would be either above TVA’s authority or they are targeted by Paradox and the TVA.
Also remember Hellfire Club from X Men was supposed to be a TV series but it never happened due to the Disney merge.
It would’ve been cool that was also acknowledged just like Channing tatum’s Gambit
all the references to undone projects and casting choices like that had me half expecting to see a CGI bob hoskins wolverine(back in the 90s after roger rabbit and the mario brothers movie showed he could do a grizzled american "working class ruffian" character, a LOT of talk about him being cast as Logan was kicked around for a while, since he would have been broadshouldered, height accurate, and could easily do the gravelly "Bub" dialogue. if we got a wolverine film in the 90's, i would have loved to see Schwarzenegger as Collosus shot putting Hoskins as Wolverine directly at a Sentinel.)
and yeah, Disney would NEVER do the Hellfire Club series. "The Hellfire Club" was a real life thing, it was a group of secret societies from the 1700s, mostly made up of aristocratic scholars engaging in discussions/research into things the the restrictive church would consider heretical at the time, not unlike the freemasons or the illuminati, and christian nutjobs hang the same satanic conspiracy nonsense on them as on the masons/illuminati. Disney already gets enough of that heat from those weirdos as is, and likely wouldn't want to throw such obvious fuel onto the fire. the fact that one of the members of marvel's hellfire club from Origins was Azazel, who looks like mephistopheles, has literally pretended to be satan before in the comics, and who's name is the name of a real demon in abrahamic demonology(the story of the "Scapegoat" from the bible references jews designating a goat as pure for sacrifice to god, and designates another goat as bearing the sins of the jewish people, for sacrifice to Azazel/the scapegoat. Leviticus 16:8)
so yeah, disney wasn't looking to fan any flames, and that project was destined to die.
very true
It’s CRAZY HOW MUCH she looks like a young Sandra Bullock 😮😂
Much prettier.
I appreciate your attempt to make sense out of this but I think it is not relevant to the overall picture.
My read is this is a meta movie, and these characters in the void is in a limbo because Marvel doesn’t know what to do with them. They are FOX Marvel characters “invited” to join the MCU (sacred timeline) but casted into the void because MCU IRL still doesn’t know how they would fit in. The world these characters come from will teeter out of existence because all the supporting characters in previous FOX movies will not join the MCU.
It's also because they were supposed to get movies or had franchises at the time but it went downhill due to their movies being canceled and so they were sent to the void since they were declared useless.
There is a difference between hopping timelines(branches) and hopping universes(trees) . Only America Chavez can hop trees. Anyone can hop branches(Loki, Captain Carter, Wanda, Dr Strange, etc)
Dr strange has a cross universal nexus, Wanda has her own method as good or better than physical travel to another universe. Only America Chavez can hop trees lmao cmon bud pass me that joint and go take a nap
@@codyorion590 yeah but the physical travel can only be achieved via America Chavez. When you see other characters hop other realities they are only hopping timelines of the 616 not branches .The way Deadpool hopped many Fox timelines to find a Wolverine .
The TVA can hopping with the TemPad Universes(trees), this is their task to protect the true timeline. Otherwise they could not protect!
@@Daniel06111982 exactly . The TVA can hop to any tree or branch within their per view especially at B 15’s new position but Loki is strictly allowing the 616 tree and branches to grow unchecked . He’s not concerned with other trees unless it involves protecting the 616 tree from the Kang variants(and other multiversal villains) that rule over said trees .
I really like this set of theories that were just mentioned.
Biggest travesty by Disney since they required Marvel. We should have had a X-23 movie and so perfect to carry on the Wolverine. I saw Deadpool & Wolverine a sort of show up of Disney and Fox and the characters they forgot about.
That and the pedo stuff
Hope to see more Deadpool and wolverine. The Deadpool movies get better every time.
It’s 2029 in the mcu? Dang by the time we get to secret wars they’ll be in what 2055?
Not really. It only ever gets a few years ahead, like 2023 in endgame.
It’s 2024 in the MCU, Deadpool & Wolverine takes place 6 years after Infinity War in which Deadpool tried to join the avengers in 2018
It’s amazing seeing her decide to put on the claws again. Especially after that shadman shit. I’m glad she could find peace with that trauma and return and be better then ever
I personally think that this is a variant of Laura from a universe that has the same history as Logan because other wise it doesn’t really make sense
Nope, it has been confirmed canon to Logan it is not a variant.
@@ashcraft257 Ok, can you tell me where they said that, cause I’ve searched and haven’t seen where they’ve officially announced that, I’m not trying to sound rude, I’m genuinely curious as to where this information is, thank you
Nothing makes sense.
Paradox said that they were pruned because they were seen as potential problem causers in dying universes. Odds are she was given the same offer as Deadpool
@@lukelineproductions Many other sources including the actress as well. Also, Ryan has confirmed this to her as well.
Laura's healing factor could make her look younger than she really is, meaning her stay in both her home timeline and in the Void could be a lot longer than expected.
I’m pretty sure Laura is the first pruned as If I remember correctly, Blade and Elektra state that she’s the one who formed the group
My theory is that the void is Battleworld and it will become apparent when Secret Wars start.
nah there will likely be whole other battle world realm created for movie
3:45 what's VARIANT-resting
As you said an incursion is when the barrier between two worlds is damaged by the presence of an individual from one timeline is in another timeline, but if Paradox is deleting timelines then there would be no risk of an incursion because the other timeline no longer exists.
A X-23 in young avengers would be cool but Marvel needs to go all in on Gambit 🐼👍❤️
1:34 genuine question, does dreamwalking cause the same problems as physically entering another universe? good luck to the tva trying to catch wanda, also where even is she?
oh i see youve addressed this at the end - but then it kinda makes me wonder if Wanda wasnt even on their radar at the time - it seems to me that America was doing some heavy duty reality jumping and was really breaking some star-shaped holes in the multiverse. its possible they wanted Wanda to solve the threat because the TVA knew better than to get in her way. still im not seeing the same response to Wanda's dreamwalking that Dr. Strange got from Charlize Therons character (cant recall her name) and i think its because Dr. Strange and America were physically entering other universes, while Wanda only dreamwalked. Even when Dr. Strange dreamwalks the biggest problem seems to be that he inhabits a dead body, something Wanda didnt do.
as far as i know, dreamwalking is bad for the soul, but not necessarily bad for the multiverse - meaning Wanda isnt causing incursions, but Dr. Strange absolutely is (spiderman, multiverse of madness).
I thought that in the end of Logan, the place she's looking for went straight to the void.
I really liked the Laura character, she suited it perfectly.
Im not gonna lie, everything you just said went over my head
My theory is around the same time the TVA were looking out for Deadpool, X23 found out about their plan to destroy that timeline and tried to stopped them, but unfortunately got sent to the void.
That means Paradox saved Cassandra Nova too I definitely agree with this theory.
Here is another look...X-23 was pruned right away and grew up in the Void. Remember Gambit said he thinks he was born there - because he doesn't remember as he's been there so long. All that's said is they were a problem in their timeline so they got pruned. Who knows how long some of them have been there. The TVA put Laura back in her timeline where she belongs. Another theory...pruning Laura NOT Wolverine is what caused the bad timeline and now she's returned it will be normal; NOT because of how DW killed Cassandra. Loki needed DW to find her and possibly the others in the Void to set the timelines right again. A good spin would be leaving Gambit there and the start of his movie would be him breaking out of the Void - finally to fall into a world he knows even less about.
Love that Loki took over the time lines his mind was the only one chaotic enough to support it , think it gave him the respect he should have gotten in the avengers series he seemed very underpowered it never made sense to me
Well, Laura is wearing an X-Men belt in Deadpool and Wolverine, and there are photos of her in the blue and yellow suit circulating out there, so...
that yellow suit could easily be ai lmao
@@chad63 only for the interview where she talks about trying on different suits including the yellow and blue
or having an anchor being from a different reality draws their reality towards the one they are in. paradox might have been relocating anchor beings into new realities and causing the death of both as a method of destruction before the reality ripper.
Wouldn't the incursions caused by heroes being moved to other timelines be prevented by the pruning of their original timeline?
An incursion is a result of the two timelines colliding, so if one of those timelines was removed, then there would be no collision, and therefore no incursion.
Seems to me like Paradox had thought his plan through pretty well to avoid these sorts of issues.
It's crazy the after the cast on Deadpool and Wolverine looks exactly like the kid from the Logan movie. It's almost like they're the same person.
Fingers crossed for a new X-Men movie with this Logan, this x23 and Deadpool finally in the team. Revived timeline baby, next movie they recruit King Dracula, the money and percs will flow like wine from the nipple of Dionysius, Drac and doin lines off Deadpools but. He doesn't give a s**t.
Would love to see a movie with X-23 and her life between young X-23 to the Deadpool/Wolverine adult X-23. All the fights with different Marvel varieties and why did she seem to expect both Deadpool and Wolverine in her timeline. Sort of a Marvel, Mad Max, X-23 movie?
i think x23 was pruned because she was apart of the favourite moment from the TVA
I think this video is digging deeper than what it actually is. I think the void is just a play off of the multiverse about where these characters are that we know exist in the MCU but just never seen again. I'm sure if the budget allowed it, we would've seen Eric Bana and Ed Norton Jr. I'm just most disappointed we didn't get a Green Lantern cameo. Not even a Green Lanternpool variant.
Here is my question, how did a bunch of TVA agents with no special powers able to catch and send some of these super powerful people to the void. Someone like X23 who is lightning fast and with super senses or Blade or Azazel who can literally teleport away in a faction of a second..
It’s called technology also the tva knows everyone’s weakness they catch you when you are caught off guard. Case in point with Wade they nabbed him at his birthday party. He literally assumed that they were strippers. Again see, caught off guard. It’s pretty self explanatory.
@@master-of-mind5881 I know that's what they show us but realistically, would it be that easy, take your example. Wade, Deadpool, is by so far stronger than those TVA agents, he is trained in all types of martial arts that are pretty much second nature to him plus he has lightning fast reaction time. He can lift about 2 tons and he once threw Goliath at Hercules like a rag doll. To pull him, it would be like a one hundred pound dude trying to move a 500 pound person that can react and kill you in a friction of a second... And that's just Deadpool. There are other even stronger powerhouses like Dr. Strange and others with super senses or omega level powers..
@@fridayblues216The TVA see everything that happens to everyone in every timeline correct? They can also freeze people in time. Loki did this to B-15 in season one. So how easy is it for the TVA agents to freeze someone who is otherwise superhuman. Same happened to Loki and Sylvie when they tried to kill he who remains. He kept jumping or freezing them. In Deadpool’s case if he and the TVA existed, paradox could just simply send the TVA agents to any point in the timeline where Deadpool is jumping or leaping through the air and just open up a portal and boom. He’s captured. Remember when he grabbed the time pad after attacking paradox and he leaps (in slo-mo) into the air opens the portal right above the admin guy who was sitting at a desk and holding a mug. TVA do this all the time to their targets, we just don’t see it.
@@master-of-mind5881 I see what you are saying. So why didn't they freeze Deadpool and instead allowed all these TVA agents to died brutally trying to fight him ? Why don't they just freeze every one they want to catch first so they wouldn't even need to fight at all?
@@fridayblues216 You are thinking too realistically and it’s unhealthy. The film is R-rated for a reason. Violence is necessary and the tva agents are the sacrificial lambs that get slaughtered. They served their purpose, narratively speaking. Every story contradicts its own logic. If you try to apply common sense or reasoning to fiction, you will go insane. Stop it. Just enjoy it man. Thinking about all these unnecessary details or flaws goes nowhere. Every movie has flaws dude. Also every story needs disposable characters. The tva are just that nothing more. The storyline is convoluted anyway. The anchor being thing is silly. Life goes on.
I think it's a little simpler than she was going to fight for her timeline.
If at the death of logan he was the anchor It's possible that the short time Laura spent with Logan combined with the knowledge from the comics to might have turned her into the new Anchorage, and he wanted that universe to end no matter what.
The void was full of all fox properties that Disney acquired. Simple that’s why she’s in the void
Well if you consider the idea that a timeline dies once it loses its anchor being there is another possibility. It doesn't make much sense given that the timeline existed before Wolverine's birth and even if he dies one could still jump back in time to when he is alive on the timeline. So what if Wolverine being the anchor being was transferred to Laura, but Paradox not realizing this attempted to remove her from Earth 10005, and by removing her from that universe effectively removed the new anchor being, leaving the timeline to start withering and dying off. Remember we're told at the end of the movie that the timeline is no longer dying, and who is shown at the end of the movie back in 10005 sitting at the table, but Laura. By restoring her to the timeline it effectively saved it. If this were the case then it's likely that Laura might have been pruned a much longer time ago and has spent years growing up in the Void. After all, it doesn't matter what year in the timeline you were pruned because they all go to the same place, and traveling to points along the timeline is simple for the TVA.
Once Laura was removed and sent to the Void the timeline began to wither, the TVA detected this and ordered Paradox to monitor it, but he decides to destroy the timeline entirely, either due to his impatience, or to cover up his screwing up and sending Laura to the Void, dooming that universe. However he still intends to save a few heroes from that timeline to move to the main timeline, but if he's not careful he might create an incursion, but if he destroys that timeline first the two universes can't make an incursion as one no longer exists. Thus he must first build the machine to destroy the universe and then grab those he wants to keep, move them, and blow up the timeline before the incursion has time to take effect.
After all if dreamwalking was the actual threat to cause an Incursion then the Illuminati would have been far more concerned with Wanda than Strange who was there by more direct means. I think moving from one universe to another is like having two balloons next to each other and poking a hole causing the two universes to touch and the air in one to flow into the other causing the other to deflate, or leak out between the two causing both to deflate whereas dreamwalking is more like stretching the fabric of that balloon to overlap with yourself on another balloon, but the air inside both balloons never touches.
Reid Richards could still be right. If Paradox is “pruning” the timelines from which he’s taking the heroes, there wouldn’t be a second timeline left to cause a collapse of their new home.
The 'Void' is meta...all the characters inhabiting it are from adaptations that were eventually abandoned or replaced by their respective studios OR were from one-off projects(like X-23 from "Logan"). Except Gambit, in a double-meta moment, says something to the effect that he 'may have been born in the Void but wasn't sure' when he first shows up in the movie(because, in fact, he HAD...as this was his first live action appearance).
And going full 4th wall breaking meta is kind of Deadpool's bread and butter when you think about it.
Speaking of Marvel properties abandoned or are one-offs...I now realize that Reynolds and company missed a golden opportunity to bring back 80s Howard the Duck. lol
Question: Why X-23 (Laura) Was BANISHED to the Void
Answer: It was in the script.
I think for heroes or villains who took the deal, there was no incursion because their home timelines were completely gone.
Imagine if they retcon the Incredible Hulk with this by saying that movie was from a different timeline, and Paradox relocated Thunderbolt Ross to the main MCU.
Everyone forgetting the fact she single handedly defeated the Juggernaut. Even the entire X-men working together have struggled with that.
Simple answer: after Disney bought out FOX, the TVA was ordered to get rid of all Marvel universes made by 20th century FOX
Both came from 616 where logan died, which is when the timeline became doomed. Once logan was revealed as the anchor being for the universe, that led me to believe that old man logan was not supposed to die where and when he did. I believe X23 was supposed to be captured and weaponized, and logan was to live on being the anchor being, hence why she was banished to the void, her "variant" indirectly caused the destruction of an entire timeline because she was saved.
7:10 There's probably nothing to collide with if the other reality's been pruned or destroyed. So pruning probably stops the adverse effects of incursions.
No one knows how Laura got there,cause they never explained it,she was just there
The young actress who played X-23 in a stand alone movie would be awesome.
Especially after the death of Logan.
Looked like the band of Deadpools was taken from various timelines, some even from what would be considered distant past and future
Something that people don't talk about when B-15 was told their was an unsanctioned Time Ripper activation she didn't ask what's a time ripper she knew Paradox didn’t come up with the idea the TVA did
It's interesting how tva left the void as it is instead of giving the people living there a second chance with a new home
Daphne Keen is wonderful as Laura. I’d love to see more of her. Disney’s written a lot of bad female characters since the late 2010s. They’ve also cast some talented actresses in parts they weren’t suited for & hired a few straight-up narcissists (*cough* Brie Larson *cough*)
There are some genuine gold nuggets mixed in with the pyrite lumps, though. Daphne was a Fox find, but she’s definitely worth keeping. Hailie & Flo are both great.
One actress from the past I’d love to see return is Anna Paquin. She’s barely been in any of the Fox movies since the original X-Men but she’s only 42. Might just be me but I’d love to see a version of Rogue show up, one who has already stripped Carol Danvers of her powers. Alternately, this might be a good way to write off Brie Larson. 😁
This might require some shenanigans seeing as how in the comics Captain Marvel’s powers at the time were limited to flight, super-human strength, durability & some modest extra-sensory awareness. I’m sure there’s a way to make this work…
It's pretty clear... PARADOX IS CRAZY!!!
The question I have is why did Paradox try and prune 10003 before Logan dies? You would think there would be some blow back if the TVA pruned a timeline before an anchor being dies. Also what happens to Deadpool between when he is recruited to when Logan dies before paradox intervenes? There are a lot of unanswered questions.
Oh thank the Maker, I've been wanting to know this. Also why does Laura have adamantium claws, in Logan she only had boneclaws will she also get poisoned by them?
The New Mutants film had Magic pretty down pat, maybe the next time they show her will have some of the actors from that film and/or the X-Factor like show called "The Gifted".
I'm sorry, but listening to this is like listening to a physics symposium and just as dry 😮
Maybe she found out about timelines and wanted to or tried to go back and bring Logan back and Paradox wasn't having it...🤔
I like your theory about this but I also think Loki knew that he would need her and Deadpool will be going to the void so they can meet up and have another chance with wolverine and x-23 cuz that was basically like a father figure to her
2 Timelines can't collide if only 1 exists, maybe the act of pruning prevents the chance of an incursion
Its also possible Paradox only relocated another timeline permanently, only if their moved person's timeline is already gone. So there is no other reality to collide with their new one.
x-23 looks about 18-22 this means she is actualy near 30 most likely,her healing kicked in earlier then that of wolverine when she was 9 somewhere it was a more forced manifestation and wolverine was 15-16 when it started but it didnt fully kick in till he was 18 somewhere.
It could also be easier for the TVA to know how to work around the rules of time and reality as well
Why are people overrthinking this? The characters in the void are simply commercially unviable.
It makes more sense to me if all the variants DP teamed up with were also recruited by Paradox. I wish the movie told it like that so it's more satisfying defeat of Paradox
The "times" don't need to line up. Because the TVA are able to go from universe to universe and ANY point in time, along said universe. Example: Loki was able to visit a natural disaster at some point in the future from the point in which he was broken off from.
The one question open for me in this theory would be that the tva noticed the activation of the time ripper in deadpool and wolverin, and there is not much for me to suggest that Paradox had a mechanism up that would hide this. So how could he have used time rippers multiple times already wihout the tva noticing?
It's possible someone else put her in the void, knowing she would influence Wolverine to stop Paradox.
Loki does not control the multiverse : he is allowing the branches of the 616 tree or universe to grow unchecked and this is making the 616 visible to the Kang variants seen in the post credits of Quantumania.
1. It's a shame Ioan Gruffud, Jessica Alba, and Michael Chiklis didn't return as Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman and The Thing respectfully. Realistically, they were either never asked or decided not to return. In universe, Cassandra Nova more than likely killed them, especially Reed who could've created a device to escape the Void with enough time and with the right parts.
2. Wouldn't have been cool to see some Sentinels patrolling in the background as set dressing for the Void? Personally, I would've loved to see a fight scene involving one comic accurate Sentinel, three stories tall and everything.
The movie can only be 2 hours you cant have everyone if fuckin history
So I believe it was Blade, maybe Elektra, that said there was a knock and the door and the TVA banished them to the void. They didn't get the offer from Paradox. The TVA had been watching them and knew they couldn't be said and would cause problems. How did we get this much wrong, dude?