Visit brilliant.org/DinoDiego/ to get started learning STEM for free, and the first 200 people will get 20% off their annual premium subscription. Thank you all for watching! At this point, we are finally over halfway through the iceberg! If I'm correct, I still have two more tiers to go, but they are filled to the brim with the weirdest, but most fascinating theories, hypotheses, and concepts I've seen in paleontology!
Nice work again. Always good to see more niche subjects in the iceberg format. Looking forward to the lower tiers and the other projects you mentioned at the end so keep it up.
I love how say its not the best take on science because that one person said the towers fell from control demolition. Menawhile Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth is comprised of thousands of people in their fields who agree it was brought down. Ooh and the fire chief from new york who worked during 9/11 and lost his fellow firemen. Trying educating yourawld on a topic before sounding like a cock sucker
I love that Jefferson basically got into a school yard fight over his favorite animal. "Nuh-uh, my mammoths are totally still alive and could beat up your tiger!"
In all fairness, there were barely a billion people on earth 300 years ago, and most fauna in the US wasn't discovered yet. Plus, animals going extinct wasn't a widely exepted idea until the 1800s.
My 6 year old brother was curious so I explained to him what fringe theories were. Now he’s making his own and drawing pictures claiming that brachiosaurus evolved into stegosaurus and that macrauchenia evolved into the tapir. Lol.
Dimetrodon: Before you *find my friends* there is something you should know about us. Humans: What? Dinetrodon: I am your father 's Brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate Humans: What does that make us? Dimetrodon: Absolutely nothing!
12:01 "Maybe they thought Tyrannosaurus was close enough to Tarbosaurus and just kinda went with it. I don't really know." Tarbosaurus was most closely related to Tyrannosaurus, and was originally described as Tyrannosaurus bataar. While Tarbosaurus is the more commonly accepted name now, some still stick to calling it Tyrannosaurus bataar for those reasons.
I remember I had a dinosaur book when I was 3-4, that had a picture of a Tarbosaurus. I always wanted to call it Tyrannosaurus, because 1) it looked like one, and 2) I couldn't read, but recognized the T.
What if it's actually the opposite? As in T-Rex were probably descended from the isolated populations of Asiatic Tarbosaurus that managed to made their way to North America and become distinct species as the time passed by?
Tarbosaurus bazaar was first described by Maleev in 1955 from the 1945 expedition in Mongolia based on holotype specimen PIN 551-1. In 1988 Gregory S. Paul in his first major literary work "The Preditory Dinosaurs of the world" first referred to renaming Tarbosaurus bazaar to Tyrannosaurus bataar bringing this popular name to be transposed from the original scientific manuscript. Paul believed as many do to day that T. bazaar is directly related if not genetically identical yet scientists like Philip J. Currie offer various slight anatomical difference to justify the generic name. Recently Loewan 2013 has a revised cladogram that places T. bataar is a descendent of T rex. Figure that out.
I think you missed the point on Hutton’s Abyss of Time. Him laying the groundwork for modern uniformitarianism/actualism is nothing special. What was unusual about Hutton’s initial idea was not just that he thought that the Earth was way older than scripture suggested, but that the Earth literally does not have a starting point but has existed forever and goes through cycles where groups of animals continually disappear and reappear, meaning that after humans go extinct, dinosaurs will reappear again and such.
It's been a while once more, but I'm glad it's time to hear about wacky skeletons and bizarre animals again. Seriously, I love the series. Palaeontology is a passion for most of us, so to hear about this weird things people came up with throughout time is awesome. Almost feels like traveling to a different world and hearing about their natural history.
Totally a fan of your content, thanks for great entertainment! Small correction at 10:37 - the "ocean inside the Earth" is a metaphor. It's typically just tiny amounts of hydrogen or OH groups stored inside very dry crystals, but if you call it "water" and calculate on planetary scale... Here is your "ocean". Also ringwoodite and olivine are two different minerals. They have similar chemical formulas, but different arrangement of atoms inside. Olivine turns into ringwoodite at high pressure.
After learning about it on the updated version of the iceberg, I've been really fascinated by the Waukesha Butterfly Creature. I sure hope we'll get a proper description and an actual name for this animal, someday. 🦋 So glad that you got to talk about it here!
5:50 did some digging on this. The original PNAS article where the author suggested mating a female cockroach and male velvet worm to support their theory that Onychophorans are the ancestors of Holometabola larvae is batshit insane.
Oh wow, the Fred Hoyle entry unlocked some weird memories of an illustrated storybook I had when I was a kid. It was about dinosaurs, but ended with them being transformed into mammals, with the main dinosaur character turning into some kind of horse-like creature. I always thought it was really strange. I wonder if there's any connection.
Some fringe theories I've heard just this week, Plesiosaurs constricted their necks around their prey like boa constrictors... Spinosarus used it's sail as a sword to slice through enemies... And draconian reptiles evolved from the dinosaurs that survived the MEE by hiding underground... My crew are very dumb.
Man these guys are like your typical conspiracy theorists when it comes to batshit explanations, I'm honestly surprised that there aren't popular Erich van Däniken equivalents in the Paleo community trying to tell us that the Spinosaurus used his sail as swords or that the fire-breathing Parasaurolophus was real
My weekends just went from 1st gear all the way to vibrating into a different dimension. Thanks for the weekend weirdness! Plus I love these sort of weird icebergs. I would love to see ongoing content similar to this right along side your normal output, as I love both. The Dino media content is always awesome. I wish maybe you'd branch out and cover things like the Dino explosion of popularity in the mid/late 1980s that lead to amazing cartoons and toy lines like Dino Riders and Dinosaucers. Going over that period of time in pop dinosaur culture, what the shows and toys got right/accurate, and the legacies of that media would make for really compelling and fun content. Keep up the great work!
hey man don’t stress yourself out over uploads and scheduling and all that. I think the majority of your followers would much rather have solid uploads less frequently and with your mental health prioritized than any compromises on video quality or your wellbeing. keep up the good work man!
Binged the series on what you uploaded so far, really like the wacky theories and the interesting findings. Really only learned the surface level stuff about paleontology. Can’t wait for the next video about this 🔥🔥
I love hearing about the people behind conspiracies sometimes. The whole thing with "archaeopteryx was fake" was made by a mathematician and an astronomer, two people who are not qualified at all in that area. A lot of young earth creationist theories were made by people with various engineering degrees. Or maybe dentists. Something to make others believe that the person is smart, therefore they know what they're talking about when it comes to paleontology. It's just a fascinating thing to see.
then we have one of the most famous YECs, Kent Hovind who keeps touting himself as "Dr. Kent Hovind" despite his doctorate being in theology (I think) not palaeontology
I have been absolutely loving this series! This is going to sound weird but when I was traveling in March I used the episodes that were out then to help me fall asleep. I would then wake up with this knowledge and tell it to the friends I was on vacation with. Love this series, keep making great stuff
28:30 there is a strong argument to be made that original stories of Sasquatch were actually just reflections of interactions between different native peoples. Compare Fred Beck’s account of being attacked by “mountain devils” in the Mount St Helen region in 1924 with the account of Ishi, last of the Yahi people, from 1911.
Same story if you look up different indigenous Siberian tribes' folklore about Chuchuuna and other "wild men". I think it was the folklore of the Yakuts (not 100% sure) which do not always distinguish between these hairy wild men and other local ethnic groups whom they warred with in the past... all of whom are of course perfectly homo sapiens. The Ukrainian-American paranormal youtuber Paul Stonehill mentions this in one of his deep vibe videos about the Chuchuuna.
I love how there Is lot of chill things like outdated concepts And cryptozoology and suddenly "scientific" racism and proposals that killed millions of people
Awesome video as always man, and dw about getting content out, take your time with it! We're here bc we love the stuff you make and your personality, not your rate of video turnout!
The late Cretaceous sea-level regression model may not be a total answer, but is consistent with what I know about that subject. The flooding of the continents created coastal environments much different than what existed post K.
I feel the thing that makes icebergs like these is how they're also a summary of stories and urban legends of a field. That part on the frozen dinosaur is clearly much like a story fossil diggers told around the campfire. I have a great interest in how these kinds of narrative emerge and iceberg memes cover all of this, urban legends, funny cases, attempts to pass quackery as science. It really creates a culture (or even a fandom, if you'd like to use this term) around paleontology, with all its stories and narratives.
- Well, Lynn Margulis is absolutely questionable, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. So it is with her understanding of Gaea, at least to some extent. Definitely not dubbing her an archdruid, though. - Yeah, but then you wind up like Snorko in the thumbnail, and that's a face even a mother couldn't love. - "That's just-- that's just the best thing in the goddamn world right now." Li'l bit. Do I think it exists? Not as such, but I pose you a counter-query: how much do you know about thin-spots? That's how I figure a lot of things have been popping up out of time and place: slipped through a thinny. Can't see a better explanation for them cowboys in the 1800s shooting down and posing with the corpse of an actual pteranadon - can you? - Leave it to an opthamologist to theorize about cataracts a million years ago. And I bet that's why he didn't garner much credibility with his theory, too; everyone in the community scoffed at him just as I have. - Iiii dunno. I met a sailor named Dimitri once who looked a little frilly. ;p - He did have one helluvan aesthetic goin' on, though. The 'stache! The beard! The glower. He's like a steampunk grandpa who thinks less of you for not accompanying him on his trip to the North Sea. "There are rare mineral deposits to be discovered, boy! Minerals!" - Joke's on Bufont - we do have a unique animal. The northern fromagocephalus, otherwise known as the Wisconsin cheesehead. :P But no really, we got manatees. They're so dopey-lookin'. It's cute.
28:31 so a couple fun things not mentioned: Ray Palmer was instrumental in the modern day UFO movement due to publishing an account in the first issue of his Fate magazine, started after he left Amazing Stories. Amazing Stories, post-Palmer, would eventually become Analog magazine
United States v. One Tyrannosaurus Bataar Skeleton has its name due to a US legal quirk. Essentially, the case regards jurisdiction over an object, so the defendant is the object itself. Some other gems include: United States v. Approximately 64,695 Pounds of Shark Fins United States v. One Solid Gold Object in Form of a Rooster One 1958 Plymouth Sedan v. Pennsylvania United States v. Article Consisting of 50,000 Cardboard Boxes More or Less, Each Containing One Pair of Clacker Balls R.M.S. Titanic, Inc. v. The Wrecked and Abandoned Vessel, R.M.S. Titanic United States v. 11 1/4 Dozen Packages of Articles Labeled in Part Mrs. Moffat's Shoo-Fly Powders for Drunkenness United States v. Forty Barrels & Twenty Kegs of Coca-Cola United States v. 50 Acres of Land United States v. $124,700 in U.S. Currency South Dakota v. Fifteen Impounded Cats United States v. One Lucite Ball Containing Lunar Material (One Moon Rock) and One Ten Inch by Fourteen Inch Wooden Plaque Quantity of Books v. Kansas
Re the Pennine Pterosaur. For many decades there was a North Yorkshire Bird of Prey centre that had, amongst its many attractions, an Andean Condor. This bird was flown daily during the summer at displays and had a bit of a reputation for going AWOL, often being recovered days later on a dead sheep anywhere from the Yorkshire Dales to the South Cumbrian Fells. That Blurry image looks suspiciously like a condor. I think that is mystery solved
Not gonna lie, the concept of a gliding dinosaur that can poison you is pretty rad. Right up there with the armored whales. Man, imagine if they could team up. It'd be some kind of carrier situation.
I will say, even if you don't go through the new list it might still be worth doing a quick coverage of any topics on it that aren't on the original list.
I've seen the first 2 so many times I clicked this thinking I would relax with this in the background but now I have to pay attention and enjoy the new content
23:08 Just clarifying, there's nothing in the Bible that says the earth is just a thousand years old, so its not really a biblical based idea. Its a idea people made up when they took the book of Genesis too literally,
That Thomas Jefferson story is absolutely hilarious. BTW did you ever find anything more about the image at 18:09? I think we can agree it's not a pterosaur but I haven't seen the context it was taken in
How amazed am I, that such a time and place as this current world exists at all. Barely even a moment by the universes' standards. A flower opening are we. What shall our seeds grow into? Or, will there be no seeds at all? Your video is a forest of ideas, Bizarre and foreign yet welcoming. I thoroughly enjoyed getting lost in this place today.
29:06 If the name Ray Palmer sounds familiar to anyone, it's because he was the namesake of the civilian identity of the DC superhero Atom. Apparently Palmer's name was chosen because the real Palmer had stunted growth from a childhood accident.
The optometrist declares that the dinosaurs went extinct because they all went blind, while the plumber declares they went extinct because of poor sanitation, and the accountant says it's because of poor fiscal planning.
No one will probably even read this…but I’m 39. Back when I was a teen I was gifted a hardcover book, very tall, probably almost 9 inches. A dark blue/black/grey color. It’s title was something about Unsolved Mysteries. Inside was article, most with pictures, about all kinds of mysteries throughout history. Including phenomena like raining frogs and blood, strange clouds, mystery disappearances, geographic phenomena like the carved stones and round balls of rock, cryptid sightings, etc. It was my favorite book! But inside was my favorite story…along with a PICTURE. I forget the year, I think it was late 1800-early 1900’s. But a group of men working for the railroad in America were making a tunnel through a mountain. They used dynamite. After one round of dynamite…the men saw a large boulder split open…and a pterodactyl flop out…try to stand…and then die. They said inside the boulder was the perfect impression of it’s body. And there was a picture of a group of dirty, morose men on each side of the pterodactyl…holding it up by its wings. I wish I could find that picture and the book again. It was so cool. Yes, probably a hoax. But it looked incredibly detailed and accurate, esp for the knowledge of dinosaurs at the time. It looked VERY real. Would love to see someone find it and review it. If anyone knows the book…PLS lmk!
kudos on nailing the Waukesha Lagerstätte pronunciation but i don't think ive ever heard anyone mispronounce Wisconsin so badly (no hate, i've immediately fallen down this series rabbit hole! much love from Wisconsin)
About that butterfly creature: has no one studied this fossil? Or is its whereabouts not known …or something else entirely? It’s weird that a unique specimen like that hasn’t been described at all. If you don’t know, then please let me know where I can go to read more about it. I’m so damn curious :)
It is actually a quite common fossil at the site it is found at, but for some reason no paleontologist has ever bothered with making a formal description
Dude made a theory out of visions? I've had dreams of strange worlds maybe I should submit some theories. A race of immortals, alien bugs who create theme parks to lure in people and absorb their energy, gama ray based telekinesis, a titanic white tree that drops seeds through dimensions spawning life across the multiverse.
I remember that mockup of a sauropod with a trunk on the thumbnail from an article on the cryptozoology blog Cryptomundo, always thought it looked goofy as hell. Especially considering the sauropod's scowly facial expression!
In understanding the polygenst theory at 26:47 it’s important to remember the racism came first, and the scientific justification came second. It’s easy to look back at those times and poke holes in the science, but they weren’t racist because they had bad science. They were racist, and then created scientific theories to support what they believed. The same things happen today, but the science is better. The ironic thing is we now know through DNA evidence that different “races” do have different ancestors in a sense. Europeans have more Neanderthal DNA and Asians have more Denisovian DNA, while Africans have basically only human DNA. This has caused a shift in racist circles in response to the science, which now claim that Neanderthals were noble and strong and the source of the white “race” in contrast to decades past when they were viewed as subhuman and inferior.
6:00 "the most effective television commercial in western civilization" absolutely not wrong... The MIC sure benefits from it still and you still have to take your shoes off at the airport, but i guess she's crazy.
18:27 The 1982 Croft book probably inspired one of the 1992 Bill Tidy dinosaur extinction cartoons (cataracts). These cartoons were featured in the dinosaur exhibition of the Natural History Museum in London for years (and their modified reproduction in a book led to an Intellectual Property dispute). I think Crofts theory might also have been mentioned in the 1983 British TV program The Dinosaur Trail. However, it's been 30 years since I last watched a recording it.
Oh my god that thumbnail is like something of a night mare I had. It was this three legged, humanoid creature, which just crouched in the corner if my room staring at me, raising its trunk to growl / hiss at me if intrinsically to get out of bed.
12:03 my understanding is that a lawsuit name like that would arise from civil asset forfeiture, where the US government seizes property it suspects of having been obtained illegally or involved in a crime. The US Justice Department just doesn't really care that much about dinosaur taxonomy to distinguish Tarbosaurus from Tyrannosaurus. If you get the chance look into the names of civil asset forfeiture cases, they're all something like "US v. $1.4 million dollars" or "US v. 7,936 pounds of cheese"
I am certain that most "extant pterodactyl" sightings are just misidentified herons, since herons have a very pterodactyl like silhouette especially in flight
20:09 Not arguing that this is a sign of life, it's just... We still can't understand some of the life *on our own planet,* so where do we get off thinking we can know the rules for life on different planets? even for one so close to us (especially at the time if that statement was also made in the 90s) it sounds so pretentious. Makes me almost worry they don't have any proper arguments tho surely they do
Martian meteorites are materials which were ejected into space in an ancient astroid impact on Mars. They're known to originate from there due to their chemical properties being a near exact match.
Although sauropods lack trunks, their actual nostrils were possibly nearer the tip of their snouts and were connected to the nostrils on their skulls via a fleshy structure.
31:55 it's funny, cause in all areas of prehistory except australia and antartica really, a lot of prehistoric mammals pretty much were the same throughout the other continents. Just various ones went extinct in certain areas: For example America did have elephants, rhinos and cheetah roaming it, but they died out, Africa did that a bear, but it's gone now, The only places with unique fauna were again the two most isolated continents: antarica and australia.
While i can agree with you about reptiles not having the same kind of muscles mammals have (about the trunk sauropods) there's no modern example of long neck reptiles that we can compare with ancient ones besides since sauropods couldn't clean their faces nor get rid of annoying insects trying to suck the blood of their faces with their own hands there still chances that they had some mean to conpensate for this maybe being a trunk or something else completely different that we still don't know like elephants having trunks or giraffes having very long tongues
The Eggshell theory reminds me of a Russian animated short from the Cold War about how the dinosaurs eggshells actually got so thick the baby couldn't break out. This was of course allegory in the film, but it's interesting and I wonder if the animators were influenced by the theory, just going the opposite direction.
That "pterosaur" is very obviously a red kite (that tail is a huge give away). Red kites also have white patches on their wings which can make it look like parts of their wings are missing or translucent. They've got a pretty distinct tail, which I can understand someone who isn't used to it seeing as being similar to the back leg webbing on a pterosaur. (Especially given the popularity of Jurassic park at the time) Red kits were almost extinct in the UK by the 80's and there weren't any known breeding pairs in the Pennines at that time. But there were still pairs in Wales, and they can fly a very long way when they want to. If there was a spate of sightings my guess is a combo of the usual nonsense, and a sneaky kite or two hiding out in the Pennines and giving people a surprise when they see them. And if those sightings come through into the 90's that's when reintroductions began, including in parts of Yorkshire. They're still pretty unusual in the Pennines, but they're very very common in west Yorkshire these days.
22:10 well he's not _entirely_ wrong I guess, most celestial objects _are_ created by accreting ice and dust formed from the remnant clouds of the earliest stars 🤷
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Thank you all for watching! At this point, we are finally over halfway through the iceberg! If I'm correct, I still have two more tiers to go, but they are filled to the brim with the weirdest, but most fascinating theories, hypotheses, and concepts I've seen in paleontology!
Why is 22:40 in there its true! Everything is fringe when its first discovered! But the list shouldnt have known true facts in it.
You forgot to mention that there are still some chinese scientists who believe in the polygenesis theory.
@@inotaishu1 The Chinese government has changed their stance, so I think all chinese scientists would follow the commanded line!
Nice work again. Always good to see more niche subjects in the iceberg format. Looking forward to the lower tiers and the other projects you mentioned at the end so keep it up.
I love how say its not the best take on science because that one person said the towers fell from control demolition. Menawhile Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth is comprised of thousands of people in their fields who agree it was brought down. Ooh and the fire chief from new york who worked during 9/11 and lost his fellow firemen. Trying educating yourawld on a topic before sounding like a cock sucker
I love that Jefferson basically got into a school yard fight over his favorite animal. "Nuh-uh, my mammoths are totally still alive and could beat up your tiger!"
In all fairness, there were barely a billion people on earth 300 years ago, and most fauna in the US wasn't discovered yet. Plus, animals going extinct wasn't a widely exepted idea until the 1800s.
My 6 year old brother was curious so I explained to him what fringe theories were. Now he’s making his own and drawing pictures claiming that brachiosaurus evolved into stegosaurus and that macrauchenia evolved into the tapir. Lol.
He's a little confused, but he's got the spirit
He's gonna make a lot of money one day
but hes right tho
Blursed. ❤
Wholesome story, cursed concepts
Dimetrodon: Before you *find my friends* there is something you should know about us.
Humans: What?
Dinetrodon: I am your father
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Humans: What does that make us?
Dimetrodon: Absolutely nothing!
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Lone Star!
Don't talk like that about Grandpa!
Jefferson was so sure that giant ground sloths still existed that he specifically told Lewis and Clarke to look for them
Big child moment :0
Like Adolph recieving a present from a guy dressed up as St Claus
@Lind Morn this indigene pack tuff
RIP Bozos
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Pretty sure da whiteys won hombre
They thought mammoths and wooly rhinos might be out west so they took elephant guns on the trip.
@Lind Morntake your hate somewhere else bro
12:01 "Maybe they thought Tyrannosaurus was close enough to Tarbosaurus and just kinda went with it. I don't really know."
Tarbosaurus was most closely related to Tyrannosaurus, and was originally described as Tyrannosaurus bataar. While Tarbosaurus is the more commonly accepted name now, some still stick to calling it Tyrannosaurus bataar for those reasons.
Some people also think Tarbosaurus is just a Tyrannosaurus subspecies because of how similar the two are.
To be fair on the Department of Justice, “Tarbosaurus” sounds like a typo
I remember I had a dinosaur book when I was 3-4, that had a picture of a Tarbosaurus. I always wanted to call it Tyrannosaurus, because 1) it looked like one, and 2) I couldn't read, but recognized the T.
What if it's actually the opposite?
As in T-Rex were probably descended from the isolated populations of Asiatic Tarbosaurus that managed to made their way to North America and become distinct species as the time passed by?
Tarbosaurus bazaar was first described by Maleev in 1955 from the 1945 expedition in Mongolia based on holotype specimen PIN 551-1. In 1988 Gregory S. Paul in his first major literary work "The Preditory Dinosaurs of the world" first referred to renaming Tarbosaurus bazaar to Tyrannosaurus bataar bringing this popular name to be transposed from the original scientific manuscript. Paul believed as many do to day that T. bazaar is directly related if not genetically identical yet scientists like Philip J. Currie offer various slight anatomical difference to justify the generic name. Recently Loewan 2013 has a revised cladogram that places T. bataar is a descendent of T rex. Figure that out.
I think you missed the point on Hutton’s Abyss of Time. Him laying the groundwork for modern uniformitarianism/actualism is nothing special. What was unusual about Hutton’s initial idea was not just that he thought that the Earth was way older than scripture suggested, but that the Earth literally does not have a starting point but has existed forever and goes through cycles where groups of animals continually disappear and reappear, meaning that after humans go extinct, dinosaurs will reappear again and such.
ever been to a video so early that it hasn't even shown on the uploader's channel yet and only in your sub box
It's been a while once more, but I'm glad it's time to hear about wacky skeletons and bizarre animals again.
Seriously, I love the series. Palaeontology is a passion for most of us, so to hear about this weird things people came up with throughout time is awesome. Almost feels like traveling to a different world and hearing about their natural history.
Totally a fan of your content, thanks for great entertainment! Small correction at 10:37 - the "ocean inside the Earth" is a metaphor. It's typically just tiny amounts of hydrogen or OH groups stored inside very dry crystals, but if you call it "water" and calculate on planetary scale... Here is your "ocean". Also ringwoodite and olivine are two different minerals. They have similar chemical formulas, but different arrangement of atoms inside. Olivine turns into ringwoodite at high pressure.
Very interesting! Thank you for the correction, it's very much appreciated!
After learning about it on the updated version of the iceberg, I've been really fascinated by the Waukesha Butterfly Creature. I sure hope we'll get a proper description and an actual name for this animal, someday. 🦋 So glad that you got to talk about it here!
5:50 did some digging on this. The original PNAS article where the author suggested mating a female cockroach and male velvet worm to support their theory that Onychophorans are the ancestors of Holometabola larvae is batshit insane.
Wait what the actual fuck? Wouldn’t there be massive evidence of such a cross in the genome of every insect in earth?
>burst into the room
>”dimetrodons are early human ancestors.”
>refuses to elaborate further
>leaves.
Oh wow, the Fred Hoyle entry unlocked some weird memories of an illustrated storybook I had when I was a kid. It was about dinosaurs, but ended with them being transformed into mammals, with the main dinosaur character turning into some kind of horse-like creature. I always thought it was really strange. I wonder if there's any connection.
Some fringe theories I've heard just this week,
Plesiosaurs constricted their necks around their prey like boa constrictors...
Spinosarus used it's sail as a sword to slice through enemies...
And draconian reptiles evolved from the dinosaurs that survived the MEE by hiding underground...
My crew are very dumb.
Found one. Concavenator had a gigantic spike on its back that it used to spear its prey.
Kangaroo kicking dinosaurs
Your just making this shit up
Why is that last one any different than the story they give for the evolution of mammals?
Man these guys are like your typical conspiracy theorists when it comes to batshit explanations, I'm honestly surprised that there aren't popular Erich van Däniken equivalents in the Paleo community trying to tell us that the Spinosaurus used his sail as swords or that the fire-breathing Parasaurolophus was real
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God I love this platform
These videos are a certified paleontology fringe classic.
My weekends just went from 1st gear all the way to vibrating into a different dimension. Thanks for the weekend weirdness!
Plus I love these sort of weird icebergs. I would love to see ongoing content similar to this right along side your normal output, as I love both. The Dino media content is always awesome. I wish maybe you'd branch out and cover things like the Dino explosion of popularity in the mid/late 1980s that lead to amazing cartoons and toy lines like Dino Riders and Dinosaucers. Going over that period of time in pop dinosaur culture, what the shows and toys got right/accurate, and the legacies of that media would make for really compelling and fun content. Keep up the great work!
Your weekends must suck then
@@douggaudiosi14 Not as much as your social and conversational skills.
hey man don’t stress yourself out over uploads and scheduling and all that. I think the majority of your followers would much rather have solid uploads less frequently and with your mental health prioritized than any compromises on video quality or your wellbeing. keep up the good work man!
Binged the series on what you uploaded so far, really like the wacky theories and the interesting findings. Really only learned the surface level stuff about paleontology.
Can’t wait for the next video about this 🔥🔥
_ghost. pterodactyl!_
an image of an ancient being, haunting the moors for *millions of years!* I need this in my life.
I love hearing about the people behind conspiracies sometimes. The whole thing with "archaeopteryx was fake" was made by a mathematician and an astronomer, two people who are not qualified at all in that area. A lot of young earth creationist theories were made by people with various engineering degrees. Or maybe dentists. Something to make others believe that the person is smart, therefore they know what they're talking about when it comes to paleontology. It's just a fascinating thing to see.
then we have one of the most famous YECs, Kent Hovind who keeps touting himself as "Dr. Kent Hovind" despite his doctorate being in theology (I think) not palaeontology
I have been absolutely loving this series! This is going to sound weird but when I was traveling in March I used the episodes that were out then to help me fall asleep. I would then wake up with this knowledge and tell it to the friends I was on vacation with. Love this series, keep making great stuff
28:30 there is a strong argument to be made that original stories of Sasquatch were actually just reflections of interactions between different native peoples. Compare Fred Beck’s account of being attacked by “mountain devils” in the Mount St Helen region in 1924 with the account of Ishi, last of the Yahi people, from 1911.
Same story if you look up different indigenous Siberian tribes' folklore about Chuchuuna and other "wild men". I think it was the folklore of the Yakuts (not 100% sure) which do not always distinguish between these hairy wild men and other local ethnic groups whom they warred with in the past... all of whom are of course perfectly homo sapiens. The Ukrainian-American paranormal youtuber Paul Stonehill mentions this in one of his deep vibe videos about the Chuchuuna.
I disagree, Bigfoot is real
The sauropods proboscis theory is interesting, but redundant. It’s like giving a proboscis to a giraffe.
Not really realistic BUT the design for it is actually interesting and could work well for an alien creature...
Hmmmmmmmmm....
I just had an idea.
Sounds like you’re suggesting intentional design as opposed to random mutation as the cause. Random wouldn’t care about redundancy
Girraves still have very flexible lip muscles and two foot long tongues tho
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It does care when a lot of energy and thus resource is going into that useless feature
I love how there Is lot of chill things like outdated concepts And cryptozoology and suddenly "scientific" racism and proposals that killed millions of people
That French guy vs Thomas Jefferson is hilarious 😂 (Also it amazes me politicians used to be scientists).
Awesome video as always man, and dw about getting content out, take your time with it! We're here bc we love the stuff you make and your personality, not your rate of video turnout!
Glad that Tarbosaurus finally had his day in court. Even if they didn't get his name right.
The late Cretaceous sea-level regression model may not be a total answer, but is consistent with what I know about that subject. The flooding of the continents created coastal environments much different than what existed post K.
I feel the thing that makes icebergs like these is how they're also a summary of stories and urban legends of a field. That part on the frozen dinosaur is clearly much like a story fossil diggers told around the campfire. I have a great interest in how these kinds of narrative emerge and iceberg memes cover all of this, urban legends, funny cases, attempts to pass quackery as science. It really creates a culture (or even a fandom, if you'd like to use this term) around paleontology, with all its stories and narratives.
Burnet’s “Sacred Theory” reminds me a lot of Tolkien’s concept of Arda Unmarred. I wonder if he was an inspiration?
- Well, Lynn Margulis is absolutely questionable, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. So it is with her understanding of Gaea, at least to some extent. Definitely not dubbing her an archdruid, though.
- Yeah, but then you wind up like Snorko in the thumbnail, and that's a face even a mother couldn't love.
- "That's just-- that's just the best thing in the goddamn world right now." Li'l bit. Do I think it exists? Not as such, but I pose you a counter-query: how much do you know about thin-spots? That's how I figure a lot of things have been popping up out of time and place: slipped through a thinny. Can't see a better explanation for them cowboys in the 1800s shooting down and posing with the corpse of an actual pteranadon - can you?
- Leave it to an opthamologist to theorize about cataracts a million years ago. And I bet that's why he didn't garner much credibility with his theory, too; everyone in the community scoffed at him just as I have.
- Iiii dunno. I met a sailor named Dimitri once who looked a little frilly. ;p
- He did have one helluvan aesthetic goin' on, though. The 'stache! The beard! The glower. He's like a steampunk grandpa who thinks less of you for not accompanying him on his trip to the North Sea. "There are rare mineral deposits to be discovered, boy! Minerals!"
- Joke's on Bufont - we do have a unique animal. The northern fromagocephalus, otherwise known as the Wisconsin cheesehead. :P But no really, we got manatees. They're so dopey-lookin'. It's cute.
28:31 so a couple fun things not mentioned: Ray Palmer was instrumental in the modern day UFO movement due to publishing an account in the first issue of his Fate magazine, started after he left Amazing Stories.
Amazing Stories, post-Palmer, would eventually become Analog magazine
the underlying premise of Shaver's "I Remember Lemuria" is an obvious forerunner to the modern day alien abduction mythos, while we are at it
"Deep time" has a kind of falling into the void feeling to it.
That Jefferson one sounds like two kids arguing about who's favourite animal beat whos.
Man, if the Shaver Mysteries are only Tier 3, I can't imagine how wild Tier 4 or 5 will be.
United States v. One Tyrannosaurus Bataar Skeleton has its name due to a US legal quirk. Essentially, the case regards jurisdiction over an object, so the defendant is the object itself.
Some other gems include:
United States v. Approximately 64,695 Pounds of Shark Fins
United States v. One Solid Gold Object in Form of a Rooster
One 1958 Plymouth Sedan v. Pennsylvania
United States v. Article Consisting of 50,000 Cardboard Boxes More or Less, Each Containing One Pair of Clacker Balls
R.M.S. Titanic, Inc. v. The Wrecked and Abandoned Vessel, R.M.S. Titanic
United States v. 11 1/4 Dozen Packages of Articles Labeled in Part Mrs. Moffat's Shoo-Fly Powders for Drunkenness
United States v. Forty Barrels & Twenty Kegs of Coca-Cola
United States v. 50 Acres of Land
United States v. $124,700 in U.S. Currency
South Dakota v. Fifteen Impounded Cats
United States v. One Lucite Ball Containing Lunar Material (One Moon Rock) and One Ten Inch by Fourteen Inch Wooden Plaque
Quantity of Books v. Kansas
*_FIGHT!!!_*
Re the Pennine Pterosaur. For many decades there was a North Yorkshire Bird of Prey centre that had, amongst its many attractions, an Andean Condor. This bird was flown daily during the summer at displays and had a bit of a reputation for going AWOL, often being recovered days later on a dead sheep anywhere from the Yorkshire Dales to the South Cumbrian Fells. That Blurry image looks suspiciously like a condor. I think that is mystery solved
Great vid, love your presenting style
When did we stopped calling crazy people "crazy" and started calling them controversial?
Not gonna lie, the concept of a gliding dinosaur that can poison you is pretty rad. Right up there with the armored whales.
Man, imagine if they could team up. It'd be some kind of carrier situation.
Started seein' ya stuff some days ago, now I'm caught up!
Glad to be seein' new stuff already~
I will say, even if you don't go through the new list it might still be worth doing a quick coverage of any topics on it that aren't on the original list.
I'll keep that in mind!
I've seen the first 2 so many times I clicked this thinking I would relax with this in the background but now I have to pay attention and enjoy the new content
23:08 Just clarifying, there's nothing in the Bible that says the earth is just a thousand years old, so its not really a biblical based idea. Its a idea people made up when they took the book of Genesis too literally,
That Thomas Jefferson story is absolutely hilarious. BTW did you ever find anything more about the image at 18:09? I think we can agree it's not a pterosaur but I haven't seen the context it was taken in
How amazed am I, that such a time and place as this current world exists at all. Barely even a moment by the universes' standards. A flower opening are we. What shall our seeds grow into?
Or, will there be no seeds at all? Your video is a forest of ideas, Bizarre and foreign yet welcoming. I thoroughly enjoyed getting lost in this place today.
29:06 If the name Ray Palmer sounds familiar to anyone, it's because he was the namesake of the civilian identity of the DC superhero Atom. Apparently Palmer's name was chosen because the real Palmer had stunted growth from a childhood accident.
The optometrist declares that the dinosaurs went extinct because they all went blind, while the plumber declares they went extinct because of poor sanitation, and the accountant says it's because of poor fiscal planning.
No one will probably even read this…but I’m 39. Back when I was a teen I was gifted a hardcover book, very tall, probably almost 9 inches. A dark blue/black/grey color. It’s title was something about Unsolved Mysteries. Inside was article, most with pictures, about all kinds of mysteries throughout history. Including phenomena like raining frogs and blood, strange clouds, mystery disappearances, geographic phenomena like the carved stones and round balls of rock, cryptid sightings, etc. It was my favorite book!
But inside was my favorite story…along with a PICTURE. I forget the year, I think it was late 1800-early 1900’s. But a group of men working for the railroad in America were making a tunnel through a mountain. They used dynamite. After one round of dynamite…the men saw a large boulder split open…and a pterodactyl flop out…try to stand…and then die. They said inside the boulder was the perfect impression of it’s body. And there was a picture of a group of dirty, morose men on each side of the pterodactyl…holding it up by its wings.
I wish I could find that picture and the book again. It was so cool. Yes, probably a hoax. But it looked incredibly detailed and accurate, esp for the knowledge of dinosaurs at the time. It looked VERY real. Would love to see someone find it and review it. If anyone knows the book…PLS lmk!
kudos on nailing the Waukesha Lagerstätte pronunciation but i don't think ive ever heard anyone mispronounce Wisconsin so badly
(no hate, i've immediately fallen down this series rabbit hole! much love from Wisconsin)
This is one of my favourite youtube series on the moment. And the vest thing is that the episodes are long and there is still lots of layers ahead!!
About that butterfly creature: has no one studied this fossil? Or is its whereabouts not known …or something else entirely? It’s weird that a unique specimen like that hasn’t been described at all. If you don’t know, then please let me know where I can go to read more about it. I’m so damn curious :)
It is actually a quite common fossil at the site it is found at, but for some reason no paleontologist has ever bothered with making a formal description
@@manospondylus That makes me sad. It sounds so interesting and I would love to know more!
Is it a Jurassic Specimen? I think that it may have been described already.
Dude made a theory out of visions? I've had dreams of strange worlds maybe I should submit some theories.
A race of immortals, alien bugs who create theme parks to lure in people and absorb their energy, gama ray based telekinesis, a titanic white tree that drops seeds through dimensions spawning life across the multiverse.
You could have REALLY derailed on the Shaver Mysteries, as the Dero and Tero have been a part of Dungeons and Dragons since almost the beginning.
Probably unrelated. D&D Derro are crazy dwarves, not robots.
@@WilliamMoses355 Shaver's "robots" were not mechanical constructs, but were robot-like due to their savage behavior.
This is some Francis E. Dec level stuff.
Or maybe I should say that Dec is some Shaver level stuff, since Dec's writings came later.
I remember that mockup of a sauropod with a trunk on the thumbnail from an article on the cryptozoology blog Cryptomundo, always thought it looked goofy as hell. Especially considering the sauropod's scowly facial expression!
9:30 Sauropods with noses are a cursed combination betwen a Macrauchenia and Squidward.
In understanding the polygenst theory at 26:47 it’s important to remember the racism came first, and the scientific justification came second. It’s easy to look back at those times and poke holes in the science, but they weren’t racist because they had bad science. They were racist, and then created scientific theories to support what they believed. The same things happen today, but the science is better.
The ironic thing is we now know through DNA evidence that different “races” do have different ancestors in a sense. Europeans have more Neanderthal DNA and Asians have more Denisovian DNA, while Africans have basically only human DNA. This has caused a shift in racist circles in response to the science, which now claim that Neanderthals were noble and strong and the source of the white “race” in contrast to decades past when they were viewed as subhuman and inferior.
I knew Hoyle was a bit of a weirdo but I was not prepared for that plot twist.
6:00 "the most effective television commercial in western civilization" absolutely not wrong... The MIC sure benefits from it still and you still have to take your shoes off at the airport, but i guess she's crazy.
you should do a video on the differences between mammoths and mastidons because I hear about them constantly but I don't really know the difference
4:00 i though you were going to say he was a creationist, but somehow he's idea ended up being even more bat shit
you know you are hitting the deeper levels of the palaeontology iceberg when the creationist theories are among the more normal ones
18:27 The 1982 Croft book probably inspired one of the 1992 Bill Tidy dinosaur extinction cartoons (cataracts). These cartoons were featured in the dinosaur exhibition of the Natural History Museum in London for years (and their modified reproduction in a book led to an Intellectual Property dispute). I think Crofts theory might also have been mentioned in the 1983 British TV program The Dinosaur Trail. However, it's been 30 years since I last watched a recording it.
Oh my god that thumbnail is like something of a night mare I had. It was this three legged, humanoid creature, which just crouched in the corner if my room staring at me, raising its trunk to growl / hiss at me if intrinsically to get out of bed.
Great video and review
12:03 my understanding is that a lawsuit name like that would arise from civil asset forfeiture, where the US government seizes property it suspects of having been obtained illegally or involved in a crime. The US Justice Department just doesn't really care that much about dinosaur taxonomy to distinguish Tarbosaurus from Tyrannosaurus.
If you get the chance look into the names of civil asset forfeiture cases, they're all something like "US v. $1.4 million dollars" or "US v. 7,936 pounds of cheese"
there was a very famous legal case like that involving shark fins, remember reading a wikipedia article about it
The US vs Trex skeleton sounds like one of those who would win in a fight scenarios.
I suggest that Bazilosaurus will be renamed to Bazilocetus
Group, Bazilocetacea
Honestly id sooner believe he saw a pterodactyls ghost rather than an extant pterodactyl as well.
I am certain that most "extant pterodactyl" sightings are just misidentified herons, since herons have a very pterodactyl like silhouette especially in flight
18:14 idk if it exists but he's my favorite monster in the live action Scooby Doo sequel
Yoooo been waiting for this one
“Edward Drink or Cope”?? Shit, we must be related.
Fringe theories are always interesting I love this.
20:09 Not arguing that this is a sign of life, it's just... We still can't understand some of the life *on our own planet,* so where do we get off thinking we can know the rules for life on different planets? even for one so close to us (especially at the time if that statement was also made in the 90s) it sounds so pretentious. Makes me almost worry they don't have any proper arguments tho surely they do
Martian meteorites are materials which were ejected into space in an ancient astroid impact on Mars. They're known to originate from there due to their chemical properties being a near exact match.
Carleton S. Coon has an awfully ironic name.
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amma watch later after watching a livestream
Looking forward to the next part, but meanwhile the rest of your video's will keep me entertained.
Can u add chapters, I like most of them just sometimes I just want to skip to the next one
This is one of my favorite series
I believe I own a book about the Mongolian Tarbosaurus case
Although sauropods lack trunks, their actual nostrils were possibly nearer the tip of their snouts and were connected to the nostrils on their skulls via a fleshy structure.
It's cool to think of because the sauropod nostril placement also was one of the arguing theories as to why they might have been semi aquatic.
first time I've ever heard Waukesha correctly pronounced in a youtube video
31:55 it's funny, cause in all areas of prehistory except australia and antartica really, a lot of prehistoric mammals pretty much were the same throughout the other continents. Just various ones went extinct in certain areas: For example America did have elephants, rhinos and cheetah roaming it, but they died out, Africa did that a bear, but it's gone now, The only places with unique fauna were again the two most isolated continents: antarica and australia.
There also used to be marsupials and monotremes on other continets as well they just also died out
Crocs, dingos, Virginia opossums, megalania, penguins, seals?
Loving this series, keep up the great work!
I think Lynn Margulis is the inspiration for Debra Macgillis from Red Dead Redemption 2.
One saying about Fred Hoyle is that he spent his latter years arguing against his own misunderstanding of evolution.
Yes, I’ve been waiting for this!
While i can agree with you about reptiles not having the same kind of muscles mammals have (about the trunk sauropods) there's no modern example of long neck reptiles that we can compare with ancient ones besides since sauropods couldn't clean their faces nor get rid of annoying insects trying to suck the blood of their faces with their own hands there still chances that they had some mean to conpensate for this maybe being a trunk or something else completely different that we still don't know like elephants having trunks or giraffes having very long tongues
Man this video really is worth the wait
This video series is perfect for book recommendations.
I have my own theories about 9/11 but if it was a controlled demolition then why were people jumping out of the building?
I'm 100% impartial and I follow the evidence... but I'm so glad that sauropods probably didn't have trunks
Isn't L. R. Croft the Tomb Raider lady?
I thought the exact same thing
What are the conditions it takes for ringwoodite to release its water? I thought it was bound up molecularly
11:00 Nicolas Cage the actor was the buyer, and he returned it, Mongolia owes him 10 million dollars
The Eggshell theory reminds me of a Russian animated short from the Cold War about how the dinosaurs eggshells actually got so thick the baby couldn't break out. This was of course allegory in the film, but it's interesting and I wonder if the animators were influenced by the theory, just going the opposite direction.
That "pterosaur" is very obviously a red kite (that tail is a huge give away).
Red kites also have white patches on their wings which can make it look like parts of their wings are missing or translucent. They've got a pretty distinct tail, which I can understand someone who isn't used to it seeing as being similar to the back leg webbing on a pterosaur. (Especially given the popularity of Jurassic park at the time)
Red kits were almost extinct in the UK by the 80's and there weren't any known breeding pairs in the Pennines at that time. But there were still pairs in Wales, and they can fly a very long way when they want to. If there was a spate of sightings my guess is a combo of the usual nonsense, and a sneaky kite or two hiding out in the Pennines and giving people a surprise when they see them. And if those sightings come through into the 90's that's when reintroductions began, including in parts of Yorkshire.
They're still pretty unusual in the Pennines, but they're very very common in west Yorkshire these days.
22:10 well he's not _entirely_ wrong I guess, most celestial objects _are_ created by accreting ice and dust formed from the remnant clouds of the earliest stars 🤷