LAND CRUISER 300 VS INEOS GRENADIER. Handling the Media Hype | 4xOverland
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Hey mate - I think we agree wholeheartedly on some significant percentage of this, and I take your critical points on advisement. (You are, of course, more of a diplomat than me.) I am somewhat more critical of Toyota's performance with DPF implementations, and 'dusting', etc., but I agree with you that as a tow platform and a reliable off-roader, it is overall very hard to beat, and I doubt the 300 will be substantially worse than the 200 for the average grey nomad towing his van to Dingo Piss Ck. I enjoyed your report, BTW. Well done. I would add with respect that my comments about Toyota being the "king of mediocrity" do not pertain to the Landcruiser exclusively, but to Toyota as a brand more broadly. We are in furious agreement that in general, Toyota has decompiled the secret sauce of reliability - I've never had a shot at them for that. Love your work, dude - I mean that most sincerely. Well done. We'll both watch the 'hot vee' experiment with some interest. Great video mate. I find it hard to disagree with you on the vast majority of it. There's always a disconnect between the suburban LC owner and the actual adventurer to consider, also.
Well said John, you and Andrew speak with knowledge and in your case piss funny humour,
Its good to see guys acknowledging each other. An interview collab / podcast of you 2 in the same room would be amazing.
I commented over a week ago that you had been misquoted, even provided a link and reference. Strangely, this comment about someone on the internet being wrong was ignored! I enjoy the work you both produce and hope to see a lot more of it.
@@FilimStar no reply here tho
@@ApexHerbivore he is pissing in ASW pocket here...ASW is worlds ahead of the other clown... John Cadogan...
Lol when andrew started saying his largest disappointment, i started saying to myself, "is it the split tailgate? Is it?" As he zooms in to the back of the car i actually laughed so hardXD
Absolutely correct - my biggest single complaint about my Discovery 5 TDV6 was the rear hatch - hatches belong on minivans - not off road vehicles.
@@jhwalter968 yeah, i thought land rover would have noticed their mistake from way back when the RR sport came out, especially when the review came out on top gear, which was actually highlighted quite a few times about how convenient the tailgate is, but seems like they haven't noticed, or probably just didn't care...
Finally someone address the lack of split tailgate. And yes it is a big deal.
It's starting to seem like the best way to get a good modern offroader is to take something made in the 80-90s and then modernise it yourself.
@@booyeah that’s exactly what I’ve done
But I don’t have apple car play
That's it!!!
Yep.
Yeap
Yes true, but be prepared for many repairs and high maintenance. Fantastic if you enjoy working on your own car. It almost becomes a hobby.
I think that all big car-manufacturers who have build real off road vehicles are going more and more soft because there's more money to grab in the SUV-world. I think that, in the future, we are gonna have to rely on smaller car manufacturers who are specialised in other niche markets (mine build, military, agricultural,... ) to have what we want, a real offroad vehicle who can take the punishment of the unbeaten paths. Best Regards, David
I’m settling into it this reality, sadly.
I totally agree with you, toyota is also going to make a really basic version of it.
@Nathan Marais there is also very basic 200 series on sale.
I think emission limits are also an issue. A serious 4x4 produces like 250-400 g of CO2/km. The EU limit is 95 g of CO2/km. So for example MB has to sell 2-3 EVs to sell one G-Wagen…
My thoughts exactly.
I agree 1000% on the split tailgate. It's a phenomenally useful feature.
I drove a 100 series for 300k miles and then opted for a GX460, (LC150) as I really didn't want a larger vehicle, but the lack of the split tailgate was a huge compromise... I love that Andrew went on a rant for that specific feature... It is key to have a place to sit or do work while under cover without having to set up any further shade etc. I had to get an awning specifically to replace the lack of a split tailgate! I do love my GX, though :)
I don't know l, I have the gr300 and can reach easier into the back, and it makes good roof for shade
Don't agree. It's a pain to get to the back and the benefits don't outweigh. As an owner of 100 series and 6ft.
Couldn't agree more about the tailgate. That mini rant was very satisfying. 80 series owner here
Hear, hear!
If I had the money I would buy a Grenadier in a heartbeat. But as I don’t have the cash needed, I got the second option on my list; the new Jimny. After driving/testing it for a few weeks, I have no regrets what so ever.
which do you think is better, the toyota troopy76 or the grenadier?
@@dwahnsinn For me, who sleep and dine at hotels, I’d get the Grenadier ahead of any 70-series. But if I was to use the car as a camper I’d get the Troupy as it’s better suited for camping thanks to its large size.
No split tail gate… um yeah we understand. I’ll stick with my 200
Deal breaker
Makes sense
Of course the new LC300 series is a great vehicle. On the other hand the Grenadier is going to be a LEGEND ! Simple, well built, and an excellent execution ! Can’t wait to see it ..
Find yourself a woman that loves you as much as Andrew loves the drop down tailgate.
Once you had one, you don't want to get back to not having one.
@@haanjamiis Can confirm. Went from an xtrail with a single piece boot to a hilux with a tub and canopy, having the tailgate has completely changed my setup for the better
I drove LAND CRUISER 80 since 1997 . IT has 4 lit. Straight 6 and manual. I install mechanical lokkar on front Axel. ITs Clocked 650,000 kilometer now. I drove her in city, town, mud, flood and jungle track, Crossing river, drove on gravel ,towing and pulling. Its lifted to 3 inches. Keping 2 sets of wheel for different purposes. It is still running good and I am very pleased.
LC 300 is a mall crawler. "Cashed-up bogans" will love it.
Exactly, build for the rich in the middel east to go shopping
Quite so, a few might venture to the boat ramps & caravan sites.
You're going to need a tough vehicle to crawl the malls in South Africa now. Hundreds have been burnt to ashes.
Not lekker at all
Well the middle east are crazy maniac for LAND CRUISER, when this was launch as soon as booked and 50 LC300 delivered on the same day with great celebration. For some reasons the new lc300 were crashed.
The ineos layout is quite well considered, the little bars either side of the switch gear will allow you to do it without looking as you gain muscle memory. Same as your g wagon levers.
No such thing as muscle memory. Repeated motions train your brain. It’s brain memory of performed/repeated actions.
I love my 80 series even more after watching this. Been waiting for your opinion of the 300, and I wasn't disappointed.
I own a 60 series myself, but the 80 series is definitely the best Landcruiser model there is. Analog enough to be repairable in most places/situations, brutally reliable end modern enough to be a comfortable drive and have the enjoyment of some basic luxuries. Parts are widely available at affordable prices and most garages can work on them. Not the case with this 300, if it breaks down in the bush there's 1 solution and that's third party recovery.
@@svenvanwesterloo173 I would also argue the same with the 105 series
Don’t care for the “low profile tires” and the low slung body panels….frankly it’s stupid, but that’s the market they’re following. They do their market research and find this is what most people will buy.
Hello! Dear Andreu, a Venezuelan residing in Chile writes you, I have been following you for a couple of years, regarding your comments about the new Land Cruiser L300, I totally agree with you. I know it is not the topic of your channel but maybe Toyota adapted all the modifications based on the changes that current society presents, both contemporary men and women are not so tough, and for that reason, Toyota has softened their line of 4x4 vehicles. Probably, you and the followers of your channel are romantics of adventure and we always seek to do things on our own without so much electronic assistance, that is why we resist changes.
Take care and stay healthy!
The customer base simply shifted and therefore the car is being built different.
You can see that with the g waggon.
The landcruiser is no different just a light version of the g waggons case.
Ppl who them new rarely even go offroad.
Do you see lots of new land cruisers on offroad channels ? No…
Nobody takes them their. Same with the gs.
Same with all the land rovers.
Doesnt really have to do with the ppl becoming softer.
That ppl became more used to luxury and comfort generally is also true though.
Thats beside the point
GRENADIER looks really good, and yes I have a 2015 defender. Would keep the defender even if I end up getting a GRENADIER.
Nobody asked
this guy's had a good look around the INEOS and he's coming from a background of fleet 4x4 in africa, mostly TDI300's and 70 series. It's worth a look th-cam.com/video/d8b1y_OyIUs/w-d-xo.html
Sorry to hear you are stuck with a defender. Are you going to be ok?
My 200 Sahara is now 11 years old , I bought it new, has done a LOT of outback and remote touring. It is so heavily modified it is irreplaceable. Infact for the past 4 years it is kept at home and only gets used for touring / camping so we can extend it's life. Once I physically see a 300 I will order one if it looks like it will do the same. Otherwise , I'll put more money into the 200 and keep it going. Anywhere you go in the outback, you hear the idle of the V8 Landcruiser Diesel. You can count Patrols on 1 hand each day.
That sounds nice. I am one of few LC 200 owners in Norway 😻
Thank you! I really value your opinion because of your vast experience with off-roading. When the Grenadier was announced, I registered right away, so I could buy one. But they are asking the same price as a luxurious Defender! I think that Ineos should have only 3 models. One plain Jane working vehicle, ready to be customized by the owner, the other as a Mall Crawler/ football/tennis mom ride with 20" wheels, leather all around, front and read dash cams, sunroofs, buttons, and whistles, 16 speakers, subwoofers, tinted glass, carpeted, onboard internet wifi, center console cooler, etc. and the other an ARMORED model for the high-end business execs, Arnold Schwarznegger and the mafia. Cool, huh?
Fantastic review. I freaking love your brutal honesty, your blunt reasoning and your transparency of emotion. That emotion especially makes you human and believable, and your credentials speak to the foundation from which you speak. Far more meaningful of a video than one where someone blandly smiles and presents an insultingly insincere hype review.
Andrew showing his true colours at 17:48: "The V8 3.5". No matter the subject vehicle, he can't get Series 1 Range Rover out of his blood.
One of the best commentaries I've seen - thank you Andrew!
If you watched the Toyota Engineering release, a lot of the weight savings were in the chassis with a new welding technique
They needed a new welding technique because the chassis is thinner and smaller. The "new" welding technique is called spot welding....... I'll wager the axles and CVs are smaller too, meaning as soon as you put a LT tyre on you'll break shit.
@@tom6549 It's gotta be thinner chassis metal.
I knew I was really interested in the Grenadier, when the LC300 release was not as important for me as the interior release of the Grenadier! I know the Grenadier is still months ahead of being production ready, but I am really really hoping they get everything right. Fingers crossed.
Many do, i do as well.
Probably only other manufacturers and not consumers that wish ill on the grenadier.
Maybe defender owners afraid of depreciation, who knows.
The Grenadier is an extremely exciting release and with these prices…
The 70 series starts with 30k more?
The new defender isnt comparable and pricier.
The old one is uncomfortable, probably more failures and faults and the grenadier should be better…
And its new. Fresh from the factory.
And they did it all right with the grenadier i think…
Established engine. Established factory. Established transmission. Lots of testing now. Established offroad company designing it with magna steyr.
Witha BMW motor.? don't think so.
A 4 x 4 with a BMW motor.? If it breaks down in outback Australia....walk away, it will be months before its fixed.
@@wyattfamily8997 they put m57s into defenders regularly
Have you ever had a blown engine in the outback and fixed it yourself?
Doubt it…
@@wyattfamily8997 Well, I've had Beemers since 1995 in both petrol and diesel and can say that in something like 1.4 million kms they have not once let me or my family down. Look after them, and they will serve you well. BMW are also very responsive with parts supply, unlike other similar manufacturers and should be serviceable in most country towns, certainly here in Aust. I can't wait for the Grenadier to join our family, partly for this very reason! :-) Cheers - Dave
I'm with you man!! That tailgate is my kitchen when camping, and my picnic table at lunch.
Can you do a real deep dive on the GRENADIER, the bmw straight 6 diesel, the solid axels, steel rims, 8 speed auto, all that stuff.
Please, Andrew! I’m ready to pull the trigger on the Grenadier. Only thing keeping me back is the BMW engine because there’s real reliability questions there to be addressed. That’s all i’m waiting for.
@@Chris.starfleet It was a commentary. No one has the review unit yet. And even those who got one these past few days couldn’t turn the electrics on, let alone drive it.
@@RadBunny2269 look at dark side developments on TH-cam they are a tuning company based out of Yorkshire that specialises in VW TDI but they have done a couple BMW 330D's and they go over the weak points and all, seem to be fairly reliable once the swirl flaps are removed
@@RadBunny2269 as someone who’s owned and worked on BMWs. They’re great cars, some of their engines are reliable…but very few. Plastic cooling systems, plastic pulleys, constant gasket leaks, PCV valve issues, rear timing chain etc. etc. You really think that would work well off road?
@@olivergunn2796 isn't that the m57 I think these will have the n57.
You and John need to do a co-production . 1 in a 300 , 1 in a greny, pick a medium level track find the definitive Aussie 4x4 . You guys would get on great , just don't mention backwards facing scoops.
Except John knows sweet FA about 4x4’s
@@randokuruza
I’m sure John is quite capable of getting to DingoPiss Creek.
There has to be a Kia or Hyundai involved or John won’t have anything to do with it. 🙃
@@jcv551
That’s a bit of a joke since his DailyDrive (bought with his own money) is a Mitsubishi Triton.
Yes you are 100% right about split tailgate. As a BMW X5 owner the split tailgate has been used to watch my sons numerous soccer matches
100% Agree with respect to the split tailgate. The split tailgate is a brilliant design. It's one of my favourite features on any off-road wagon.
Totally agree with you. The split tailgate is consistently my favorite feature on my 80. I've never looked at any of my friends' car's tailgate the same since.
I totally agree with you on the split tailgate. I love this feature on my 80 Series Land Cruiser. I often use it as a seat and table when out and about, specially at the beach. Plus it's a handy step when loading the roof rack. It's disappointing Toyota removed this feature. It's like Nissan deleting a diesel option for the Patrol, or Land Rover adding electronics & digital technology to the Defender. Oh wait..., both manufacturers did. I guess this what happens when they sell more to people using them in urban settings than for off-road. I just hope the LC300 isn't the beginning of the end for the Land Cruiser.
"I want those buttons!" LOL! It does seem like a great setup that Grenadier!
The Grenadier look so tempting. And they seem to do things the right way.
Thy bought the Smart Factory and now producing Smart cars for practice. The 6 cylinder BMW engines are incredible. Super reliable and so smooth. Steyr Puch is designing the 4WD. Again one of the best companies in the world for that kind of job...
Carraro is supplying the solid axles, which is also an excellent choice. And looking at the axles, they look solid. The differentials alone...
My guess is, that the drivetrain of the Grenadier will be really good.
It seems as if they make all the right choices.
Andrew your vast experience and honesty always shines through. Brilliant post 👏🏼
He’s truly credible unlike the other “journalist” highlighted in this video.
Just make the split tailgate an option. Sorted.
Have seen and ridden in the Prototype Ineos Grenadier here in the UK where it is touring for potential clients to see. Still a work in progress but was pretty impressive considering short time from conception to reality.
What a brilliant video. I have enjoyed it so much that i have watched it more than once. Thanks Andrew
That Inios interior is awesome, who doesn't want a switch panel on the roof like an aircraft? So good, they've also put switches ready to just plug in additional accessories 👌🏽 And yep you can't beat a fold down tail gate, they are awesome.
The switchgear on the ceiling is actually ridiculously difficult to use when driving and impossible when off-road. You have to come to a complete stop, look up and then switch what’s needed.
Split tailgates (not barn doors, i can see why people like them, but they probably haven't experienced split tailgates) are the best thing since slice bread.
love it in my 80 Series, and the storage mod for the lower tailgate is a must.
I think toyota could still make it possible if people wants it, its not hard to implement
I agree with everything you’ve said in this video, the land cruiser starting from the 100 series has had poor approach and departure angles and is slowly becoming a softroader. I’m sad that there’s no 300 series here in the US but I guess now is the best time to buy a 2021 land cruiser and keep it forever, I do love the split tailgate.
I watched John Cadogans videos on the 300, and his only complaint I hear that was real and not adjectives was that it had a DVD player still. And I absolutely agree with the loss of the split tailgate. The fold down 3rd row is along the same lines.
CD* And if that's all you took away, you clearly weren't paying attention for 90 percent.
Spot on about the split tailgate! It's what separates the LC200 and Range rover from all other 4x4s! It's even great fun in my small electric smart eq2!
BMW - X5
I love how he roasts Matt Watson and Carwow. Well deserved honestly, theyve become hugely clickbaity.
Grenadier for me all the way! I also have to agree on the split tailgate. I bought a Disco 4 V8 last year and its definitely a deal breaker. Such a lovely and usable feature to have. Thank you for the fantastic video as always!
The Land Cruiser is, sadly, evolving into a Road Cruiser.
How about Land Crawler? :-)
@@frilime1710 Land Yacht?
Mall Cruiser
lux car for the posh resorts in the US we had 200 's priced at$90k us dollars and lexugly lx570@$100k us dollars if we only had diesel in the States id never have to buy a car again
It makes sense really the vast majority will be sold in Melbourne & Sydney. Likely will only ever be driven in the city.
A good critique between the new 300 series and previous models based on your vast 4WD'ing experience - thank you and I agree wholeheartedly. I have been following the development of the Ineos Grenadier since inception and recently went for a ride in one in Ballarat VIC. It is shaping up to be a pearler! I own multiple modified 4WD's so filter any advantages and shortcomings against my own cars and driving experience. The only thing I think Ineos need to do to enhance their vehicle is offer an option of larger wheels. The 31.5" are just to small and it suffers from a lack of ground clearance
I'm excited about the Grenadier.
I live and work in Dubai already owning a Nissan patrol.
What worries me is the BMW engine as they have a notorious reputation for failure in the Middle East.
So this might be the Grenadiers achiles heel.
Ill still be reserving one in October though.
Really ? I only know them as very very reliable, both in cars as in boats.
Iveco Daily van engine would be better, tough & reliable.
@@svenvanwesterloo173 I'm specifically referencing the Middle East . They have a terrible reputation due to dust and heat.
You hardly ever see anyone driving one in Dubai .
@4xoverland the weight saving coming from:
1-Engine
2-Aluminum Roof panel, doors and engine hood
3-new welding of panel reduce overlap
4-eliminate the split door in the back
Wouldn't be surprised to see Toyota bring back an FJ in a couple years, for a more pure/fun off-roader. The Land Cruiser hasn't been a Land Cruiser since the 80 series. And I owned a 100 series...
Bring back the FJ? I'll eat a bowl of yoghurt if that happens.
I really hate yoghurt.
100% Agreed when you said that when you looked at the 300 it reminded you of something a businessman would get in after a meeting. I got the same vibes, like, something I would take to a business meeting to show off how important I am, and not something I'd take to the middle of nowhere (like Land Cruisers are supposed to be). It gave me sort of an "Cadillac Escalade" vibe.
Gotta say, it's gonna be interesting seeing the land cruiser with more electronic equipment and a V6 3.5 engine.
Cheers
Now that was a well thought out rant Andrew, you made lots of sense to me but there again I'l from the old school of adoring the old Heavy Duty 6 Pot Land Rover 109" hardtop with split tailgate only to be beaten off road by an ex MOD 90 n/a 2.5d but the 6 cyl Rover unit as old and thirsty as it was was excellent.
I have 2 cars on the Road, a p38 Rangie (horizontal split tailgate) and a 2006 Rav4 (barn door style tailgate)
I feel that the advantage of not having to add the weight of a rear wheel carrier on a barn door style means the space inside is far more useable especially when your tyres no longer fit in the standard wheel well (as in my Rangie)
Other than that, Great vid
Couldn't agree more. I couldn't wait for the ineos, so I bought a 76 series👍
Proud 200 5.7L VXR owner
100% agreeing with on the split back doors.
Swapping the 200 with the 300 now is not costing much as the 200 price is holding up, but … 300 need to be tested more also price is high.
Keep it up mate
Mo from KSA
I can’t stomach John Cadogan. Good video 👍
@@Rex_Stuph haha! Yes, absolutely.
I think the surviving G Wagen on the Canning Stock Route Mercedes shambles was the 300CDI Professional, not the 290GD. That I'm sure would have performed well also.
The MB G Profesional survive without problems. W463 series G350 CDI have rear shock absorbers failure beacause those shocks were hydraulic shocks and the G profesional got bilstein gas compresed shocks. @4xoverland
ITS LIKE MY TWO DADS ARE HAVING A FIGHT
My minds eye hurts.
😂
Great discussion, but as you say we really won’t know until we drive it and see what happens after 12 months of them being used. I am restoring an 80 series at the moment and love the split tail gate! Will be interesting to see what the longevity of the 300 is, with electrification coming fast I think the 400 will arrive faster than 14 years.
I enjoyed this immensely. I'd love to see you get your hands on these vehicles.
Yes, me too. Have I missed the hands-on review seeing as the 300 has hit Aussie shores a while ago?
Dear Andrew. About 10 years ago I drove a Mercedes Benz 0303 V8 coach. I regularly did Jenolan Caves. Coming out I once had a B7 Volvo with more hp by the numbers but it was a joke and I’ve never changed gears so many times in my life. The V8 you could fundamentally idle out.
I have been following the Ineos Grenadier for some time now, and I think it’s what true 4x4 driving is all about, I can’t wait to buy one.
A Toyota Fortuner GX or a Mahindra Pik-up will be 1/3 of the price. Both far better off road.
@@tonydoggett7627 Mahindra is better than fortuner
What about the bmw engines......!? There is also no assurance that the ineos will be "perfect"
Your not one of these pommies that puts grills on every light, ladders and roof racks to stand on for a photo?
Nobody has that junk on their 4WD’s in Australia.
Yup, the Mr Creosote of 4x4s - absolute perfection. You couldn't have put it any better.
Totally agree…a wafer thin mint too many
I own a 2012 Tacoma. One of the main reasons for buying it was it's reliability.
And was it?
Andrew is absolutely right about V6 needing to rev. My 2018 Tacoma pushes 5600rpm going up a hill, no power at all until it hits over 3k.
Andrew: "After my careful analysis of this platform with my numerous years of experience..."
Cadogen: "Shitsville" "Shit box" 🤣🤣 I just summed up 90% of his videos.
Couldn’t agree more, just an arrogant shit !
Myself, and I have seen a few others- have been absolutely shouting at Ineos to give you a demo vehicle. It is honestly the only 4wd I have been excited about since.... well, a long, long time. I still drive a Discovery 2. Added some differential locks front and rear, and that 4.6 v8 gets me everywhere. New vehicles just aren't that exciting, and not that good as a purchase. Living here in the United States, the Jeep Rubicons are undoubtedly quite good out of the box, but with so many electronic components, things just go wrong too often. Please, let us as a community, work on getting you a demo Grenadier!
I'd like to see a Grenadier with a Duramax 6.7.
Split tailgates are the bomb!
all wagons had them at one time now only utes have a tail gate to sit on not sure of the disc and the range rovers but they are luxury cars
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 my dad's rangie has them. But I don't think the disco's do. It's so sad to see them go. 😞
"Diff. lock! Where are you?" 😂😂😂
I think we need to get John in a new Landcruiser with an aluminium shiita behind it, and send him off to Dingo piss Creek, with some mates, beers and of course his blue singlet...
Yesss ssh! !!
or a Shitois
Great Video Andrew. I think you have just single handedly raised the price on 200’s another 10%
really like your commentary on this with your huge experience in this field and you make a lot of sense, cheers.
Brilliant commentary Andrew. Couldn't agree more with you on the tail-gate issue. What were they thinking? When they start catering for old ladies with shopping bags, that's where they lose me. Thanks but no thanks, I am still perfectly happy with my 100 thank you very much. It has been a 22 year affair.
'When they start catering for old ladies with shopping bags, that's where they lose me.' EXCELLENT.
You mentioned something about the v6 and it caught my attention, the torque ...
Engine V6
Ford V6 4.0 SOHC 210 hp and 345 nm torque @ 3700 rpm
Chevrolet V6 4.3 Vortec 200 hp and 350 nm torque @ 2800 rpm
Mitsubishi 6G75 V6 3.8 MIVEC 250 hp and 330 nm torque @ 2750 rpm
Engine Straight Six
Toyota 1FZ-FE 4.5 straight six 220 hp and 373 nm torque @ 3200 rpm
Nissan TB48DE 4.8 straight six 250 hp and 420 nm torque @ 3600 rpm
What i mean by this is because these V6s have their peak torque quite close and even lower than the straight six
I'm talking less about numbers and more about driving ability and feel. And I said VERY clearly - rock bottom RPM! Idle speed! So these numbers mean little. It's a notion and has yet to be proven, disproven. Anyone driving over rocks at 2750 RPM is someone without talent.
@@4xoverland *drops mic and walks away*
@Uncle Pete I would not know if the Ford essex that you mention is the same ford cologne that i mentioned
@@4xoverland The secret is in the reduction of transfer case , for example in the case of the Rover v8 3.5 it has 258 nm @ 2500 rpm (really it is not much for a v8 engine) but it has an excellent reduction 3.32.1 , against part I put the jeep wrangler rubicon v6 3.6, it has 285 hp and 350 nm @ 4000 rpm ... but it has a transfer reduction 4 to 1 with a very short first gear of 5.13, that is to say, a quite impressive torque sensation surpassing many, I don't know if I'm wrong
@@4xoverland For a given number of cylinders, engine layout has almost nothing to do with low down torque. Head/valve/port/manifold design plays way more of a part in low down torque. Coming from a guy that hates V6s
Yes Andrew, I totally agree with you about the horizontal split tailgate. It would be a must have when touring. Maybe Toyota might make a split tailgate as an option. One can hope!!
Well done, Andrew. I turned that other fella off well before his video was through.
Same here Bruce. He lost all my respect when he slated the LandCruiser platform.
Me too
Andrew this 3.5 twin turbo will do just fine in high and low speed because both turbos are different size and have two different stages. Smaller turbo has very little lag and ment for low speeds and the bigger turbo starts spooling at higher speeds.
I've put my name down for the Ineos even though i've got an S5 Patrol. I just like land rovers lol
What you said about the horizontal split tailgate is spot on. I mean, anyone who has not had one will NEVER understand. I do not want a truck without one for all the reasons you mentioned.
Spilt tail grate is also great for changing nappies on 🤣
Excellent commentary. 300% correct on the split tailgate. Way too many people (journalists) have been too sucked into the coolaid.
300 has missed a lot of opportunity.
Yes it will still be a good car and maybe even the most perfect Toorak Tractor the world has seen yet, just not looking like such a good Landcruiser at this stage.
Its a real shame that Toyota are not understanding that there is a real need for a 4x4 that buyers don't have to go off an spend another $60k + plus on modifications to make it a great vehicle.
If the Ineos Grenadier can pull it off, and its really working hard and doing some amazing stuff in the prototype, it will certainly make a big dent in Landcruiser.
Regarding the roof console in the Grenadier. There are few buttons and well spaced, I could see it being an easy muscle memory programming thing. But yes, that interior, much 9 y/o oooooooooooooooh. Do want.
@Abel Harbour What was the worst thing ever (in anything I owned) was the digital display in a BA Fairlane. You had to look at it to see what mode you were in (climate control, audio, etc) and then read what each of the buttons below the screen was assigned to on each screen. Nothing could be controlled by feel. A big panel of 8 defined switches is all I can ask for.
Nope its too big compared to the toyota tacoma roof console for example.
@Abel Harbour i know mate, but the fj cruiser had the similar roof control panel
@@Rex_Stuph buttons are critical. I drive a Tesla around town - I frequently am either cold or hot because I have to either stretch and try to touch the center screen in the right spot (tricky) or else try and issue voice commands (temperamental and interrupts the music) to adjust the thermostat. Lazy as I am I just endure the wrong temps! Buttons for the win every time.
@@stevejones5999 I am currently living in the past with a 95 series Prado and a Daihatsu Handi, both with rotary and or slide heater and vent controls that are always exactly in the same location and the positions always represent the same settings. Peak of sensible automotive design :P
I would say that the relevance of the split-tailgate is reflected in the prices of 'Catflap' rear doors for Series Land Rover's. A standard used SW rear door can be bought for £60, a used Catflap sets you back about £500 without the stays..
The Grenadier interior looks top class imho. The switches are big, chunky and well set out.
In the touchscreen age this is nice touch.
But you can't put your radio in a ceiling console
"Ja, sorry mate..." Was priceless
If you ask me (i know you did not), a "real" LandCruiser has rear barn doors!
Barn doors are the bomb
Sooo…. All the cruiser ( 80,100,110,200) with split tail gates is fake cruiser ? Like a copy version from china ?
@@hieuphan4264 Yes! 😜
I just wanted to hold against the strong opinion for tail gates (as always with ASPW, everything is either super duper over the top or the biggest fail ever). And if you ask people about land cruisers, most of them think about the 40 or 70 series (the real shit 😍) - both popular examples with barn doors.
@@Tonigr so i was wrong the whole time… half of the land cruiser line up is fake !!!
@@hieuphan4264 Yeah! More than half of the line up if you count the Prados in. 😂
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Happy memories of a split tailgate in Malawi.
We had rented an 80 series, four lads delivering medical equipment, one chat, Dougie, had brought lots of balloons, he would sit in the cargo section, blow them up and then when we drove through remote villages he would open the top hatch and release the balloons for the kids.
The joy on their faces will always stay with me,
Just one more use for a split tailgate.
Andrew what about the Grenadier's plastic BMW engine? It has a history of faults and been around for ages. Would you really pick it over a 300 series based on realiabilty? They even had to take the engine plastic cover off it to fit under the bonnet and numerous critical parts are all made from plastic. Transmission is great on it, suspension, platform etc etc but l think they dropped the ball on picking the engine. I would wait a couple of years on both before purchasing as you have suggested.
I had a 530d and it was very reliable and powerful, a great car. And I’ve driven plenty of new land cruisers and prados for work.
You're correct about the rear horizontal rear tail-gate. On my 105 I put aluminium checker plate. It's your field kitchen table
There was a good V6 at low RPM, the 4.0L in the FJ cruiser. But look at the conditions, it had electronic assistance with the crawl control, mechanical assistance with the rear e-locker, it also weighs literally a ton less than the new Landcruiser. It’s a case of matching up the power plant, mass and projected performance nicely. But the big 300? No, I sucked it up and bought a 200 last year instead.
That's the engine out of the mum soccer car prado. Have one and 360k km on the engine and does not miss a beat and walks dunes/beaches/rocks and can pull far more than the car is rated for. Great donk
Toyota has a reason to use a smaller v6 engine and they have tuned/tested it very well, also people forget about the increasing pressure on emissions regulations on car manufacturers.
@@rawnature8148 every car can pull more than they are rated for... getting them to stop is the problem 😉
@@daddymack415 5 ton up the side of a mountain in recovery (yes on dirt). Braking wasn't an issue so much as getting it moving up a very steep section.
4xOverland is one of the most sensible and practical and thorough reviewers there is out there….and I 1000% agree that all the big manufacturers who are designing these SUV’s/ 4x4 Wagons, ultimately have the Mall Shopper or Family Adventurer in mind and NOT the real tough as nails bootstrapped pioneering overlander and adventurer of old. Saying that, I do think the boys at Ford have done a pretty darn good job on the Bronco. And so have the chaps at INEOS with their Grenadier. Not so with the new Landrover Defender and the LandCruiser LC300 and all. But when all is said and done, the latter type of vehicles are the ones that will rack up the big fat sales numbers and margins which the bean-counters love, whereas those vehicles which are designed for the real, red-blooded tough-as-nails bootstrapped overlander and adventurer of old, will rack up relatively small sales. Most serious tough as nails overlander and adventurers will prefer to buy an LC100 or LC200 or Nissan Patrol or similar and strip it down and deck it up as per their personal choice and needs in order to make their own, perfect Overlander vehicle.
'jurnos' ... I think Andrew is becoming Aussie now! 😂
A very honest feedback, your videos might not be as fancy or have those clickbait titles but certainly way more informative & educational than any other channel out there. Much respect! Not sure what's happening to this world where we are only seeking graphics and not quality content!
Andrew I think we all need to actually wait until they arrive and get realy tested in Australian conditions
How does this channel not have more than 258,000 subs???
Don't know. Maybe because 100% of my subs are organic. I've never advertised.
I'm just sad that I already experienced a pure off-road machine without automatic gearbox or electronics for several years... Because now I just can't find the ineos grenadier interesting enough... Or other brand new off road in fact (oh the Jimmy is actually ok, but small...)... the grenadier has a lot of potential but then it just fails with that hi-tech BMW engine and automatic gearbox...
Hello! I am from Romania and I live near the border of Ukraine. I used to travel a lot before the war and I saw plenty of them there. What I can say to you about the Toyota Land Cruiser 300 is that it has came a long way from the original. It is designed to cut from GLE and X7 markets rather than going off road.
I'd LOVE to hear your thoughts on the UAZ Hunter and UAZ "Bukshanka"
Nailed it Andrew; LC300, grandad can tow his van with it. Ineos, run around like a silly little boy "but I want grenadier now!". I will actually be extremely upset if its rubbish, its the most exciting 4WD vehicle to be released in 10 years, with a distant second being the Rivian R1T. I can't wait to see both in your hands in the years to come.
I love the split tailgate design on my 200 series. Hated the barn (side opening) door on my 120 series. My 99 4Runner has the full tailgate that open up but also allows the rear window to lower so I am pretty happy with that. Additionally the front seats can fold flat to the second row seats. Can't do that on the 120 (GX470) or 200 series power seats. In the end, I would still choose the split tailgate over the roll down window on the 4Runner. It is so much more versatile. It can be a changing table, sitting tailgate, hold your tools, standing platform to load the roof, etc...
Love the Grenadier so excited! It was also developed in Austria by Magna, who also build the G-Wagen. I live in Austria and saw a couple of Grenadier testing onroad some months ago.
Horrible rusting issues from the Gelandewagens that came from that factory though.
@@mtadc1545 many cars are built there, I guess they solved the issues. BMW Z4\Toyota Supra, Jaguar I-Pace, Mini Countryman
No way .. no split tailgate what a bloody disgrace.. I’m keeping my 200 till I’m checking into a old age home .. and you are spot on Andrew it is that good 👍.
Less than two minutes out of 26 on the Ineos Grenadier, you should've said this video was going to be about the Land Cruiser 300 and left it at that.
OMG the horror!
I just found you online and I don't know how I haven't found you earlier. Thank you for calling a spade a spade and not falling victim to PR hyperbole.