@JamesRattray Yes, terrific news: you've fought the good fight, but the race is not finished yet. Hopefully when they re:address it in the future, common sense will prevail. I was on your website and Facebook page, is there a way to send you guys a small donation? Cheers Raymond McDonald
Thank you for breaking this down and for informing as to what is happening. I see this was posted a year ago, and I hope that there is still time. We can’t forget or pave over the past; we owe it to these people to preserve that history. If not, then it falls in-line with all that was paved over, so to speak, right after Culloden. Now is a time to resurrect and connect with that lineage.
Thank you Kay. You might be interested in more of our videos, we produce a new one each month covering local history and the Jacobite period with particular emphasis on Killiecrankie. The Jacobite Wars were about Scotlands two cultures, the Gaels and the Highland Clans supporting Catholic King James who ran away to France and the Lowland Scots supporting Protestant William and Mary. Sadly for the Gaels and Highland Clans they eventually lost out at Culloden. More stories can be foubnd here that you might be interested in www.soldiersofkilliecrankie.co.uk/stories/
I think Killiecrankie was the first battle to use 'plug' bayonets - jammed into the muzzles of the musket for close quarter combat. The highland charge was so quick, the Scots troops didn't have time to fix bayonets and many were killed or took flight. The tragedy of the Jacobite rebellions was that Scots killed Scots. The Jacobites were seen as traitors which meant the death penalty - why so many were killed at Culloden. In truth, of the 3,471 taken prisoner at Culloden, only 120 were executed and 30% of these were British deserters. About 1000 were deported, about 1000 were freed and some 400 were exchanged with French PoW's. The fate of about 650 is unknown - but I like to think they escaped and returned to the highlands...
Certainl in Britain it was the last time plug bayonets were used as the Scottish Government Commander learnt that his troops did not have enough time to fire their last shot and then fix their plug bayonets before the Jacobite clans were on them. Cameron of Lochiel described the scene after the battle with the red coats soldiers hacked down where they stood in their lines. Interesting what you say about culloden. The have a series of video on the battlefield and its history www.soldiersofkilliecrankie.co.uk/battleofkilliecrankie/
Outrage bloody outrage will these people be remembered as those who preserved this historic site for future generations or the tosses who ripped it up and stand condemned for all time.
Please join us and help us let everyone who cares about Scottish History know what is happening here. Please also let our First Minister firstminister@gov.scot know what Transport Scotland are proposing is unacceptable in this day an age. Please join our little army and motivate all those whop are about Scotland's history. Than you for your support.
Hi Tim, The Scottish Government appointed a Reporter to hear the arguments. This happened in January 2020, he should have reported to Scottish Ministers by now. I suspect with Corona any decision has been delayed. You might be intrerested in this video we just created showing the facts on the ground th-cam.com/video/Nu0z2T1etKU/w-d-xo.html
@ExplorePitlochry Rulzion, it's Ritchie Duncan from Uni. If you need any political help just give me a shout. More than happy to help you for a change. Give me a call or ping me back
It looks so much easier to put it on the top side of the existing road , crazy , I don’t Sturgeon will listen , like so many communities that have not wanted wind turbines but got them when the Scottish office overturned the local planing decision .
I fear it is about cost. Transport Scotland rightly, in my view, have been asked by Scottish Government to dual the A9 from Perth to Inverness using the least cost options. But, we who care about Killiecrankie Battlefield, incorrectly understood the Scottish Battlefield Protection legislation put in by the SNP government in 2013 would mean Scottish battlefields such as Killiecrankie (it is one of the named battlefield in this legislation by the Scottish Parliament), would be properly considered when it comes to developments such as this. The public had no say in the process, nor were we allowed to see the deliberations on the route until after Transport Scotland had made its route through the battlefield choice. Transport Scotlandwere duty bound by the legislation (see the link at the end of this response) to consider the battlefield implications of their route choice. They had meetings behind closed doors involving Historic Environment Scotland and other public agencies as they made their considerations. It transpired that the Scottish Battlefield Protection legislation has no teeth. No matter what Historic Environment Scotland (HES) said, all Transport Scotland needed to do was show they had considered the points. HES were powerless. When the chosen route became public, we had our concerns. The more we looked at what Transport Scotland was saying, the more alarmed we the local community became. The more we dug in to establish the basis for the route through the battlefield choice, the more we realised that this decision was made without properly considering the battlefield and loss of Scottish history. I will expand further on this:- 1). Transport Scotland made the route choice before a full archaeological survey was undertaken of both route options through the battlefield. These surveys were only completed after we as locals objected to the incomplete archaeology record of what they were proposing to destroy. They have since completed this work because of our objections. 2). At the Public Enquiry in January 2020, Transport Scotland constructed an argument to defend their route choice based on the location of the Scottish Government red coat Army Battle Line, by positioning it as far away as possible from the existing A9. You would have thought this battle line would have been part of their initial considerations before the route choice was made. Not at all, Transport Scotland especially constructed it for the Public Enquiry. At the Public Enquiry my brother Rulzion Rattray, challenged this battle line. He pointed out to the Public Enquiry that musket balls travel in straight lines and as there was a rise in front of Transport Scotland's choice of battle line, it was impossible for the musket balls to have travelled to where they have been found in the archeology surveys. We later demonstrated this on the battleefield, see our video made in July 2020 th-cam.com/video/Nu0z2T1etKU/w-d-xo.html 3). After the Public Enquiry we used Transport Scotland'ss archeeological date and looked at where we felt the evidence pointed to the battle line position. Have a look at our video made in July 2020 th-cam.com/video/dbqegBzmLJU/w-d-xo.html 4). At the time of the Public Enquiry I publicly stated this enquiry was flawed. John Swinney our local MSP asked me to meet him and to explain why I felt it was flawed. I pointed out that this was the state, in the form of Transport Scotland, with limitless funds taking on the local people of Killiecrankie who had absolutely no such funds. It was very apparent during the Public Enquiry that it was not about what was right for the Killiecrankie Battlefield and preserving Scottish history. It was all about Transport Scotland winning the argument no matter the cost. At the start, of this response to you, I said the main factor that Transport Scotland used to decide the route was cost based. Let me expand on this. To put the road on the north side the upslope side means:- 1. They will have to blast a rocky out crop to clear the path (costly to do). 2. It will mean they are unable to dump excess earth from other parts of the route over the battlefield, which is the easiest option and have to find more costly alternatives. We still await the out come of the decision by Scottish Government Ministers on the Public Enquiry and the route they choose to back. Delayed by Covid and the General Election. I for one am very sad to have been mislead by the much heralded Scottish Battlefield Protection Legislation www.historicenvironment.scot/advice-and-support/listing-scheduling-and-designations/battlefields/effects-of-inventory-status-on-owners/ Thank you for your comment, the more people who know what is going on here the better. It allowed me to enlarge on the issues as I see them.
@@JamesRattray Thanks for info James, At the end off the day HES is a Scottish gov quango and won’t want rock the boat to much . Good luck with the fight , by the way I’m in Erkines Reg and was at SOK from start to finish , pity it ended , was a good little event , good luck .
@@charlestaylor8566 thank you. Erskines Regiment played a very significant part in helping us make the Killiecrankie event happen. Hopefully it will happen again, may be next year? New owners on Killiecrankie Battlefield are very supportive. The event may happen in the future, may be not annually but at regular intervals, as you know it takes a very significant amount of effort and cos to organise. Thanks for these exchanges, see you soon at Killiecrankie.
we want to blame the english but the scots were not united and fought on both sides,after culloden the british isles basically conquered the world,the scots english irish a nd welsh united
'Not a truer word has been spoken'. Is that what they say. I totally agree with you. Scotland had two strong vibrant cultures, Gaelic and Lowland Scots-English. The story of the Jacobites is about these two Scottish cultures choosing to back different monarchs, with the Lowland Scots-English culture winning out. The anti English rhetoric is helped by the fact the English Parliament and the Scottish Parliament were dissolved to form the UK or British Parliament in 1707, a third of way through the Jacobite era (remembering the 1st Jacobite Battle was in 1689 and Culloden the last in 1746). So now the anti-English rhetoric can deny this culture clash within Scotland and blame everything on this foreign body called 'Westminster.' The Union of the Parliaments in 1707 allowed the Scots to take part in the English Empire (remember it was a bunch of merchants in London who obtained a charter to trade with India on the 31st December 1600). The English were a force in the world because of its navy. Although being part of an island, Scotland never had a navy of any consequence. The question needs to be asked, would all those Scottish adventurers that are part of our proud Scottish history have happened, if Scotland was not an important part of the UK. There is absolutely no doubt that Scotland has done very well out of this union. The Scots played a very big part in the British Empire, just stop and ask yourself how many Scottish names are spread across that empire New Zealand, Australia, India, Africa, North America.
Well done, guys. Proposals have been shelved for at least 10 years.
That is great news. Hopefully IF they have look to dual the battlefield, they will do a proper analysis the next time, so we do not destroy it!
@JamesRattray Yes, terrific news: you've fought the good fight, but the race is not finished yet. Hopefully when they re:address it in the future, common sense will prevail. I was on your website and Facebook page, is there a way to send you guys a small donation? Cheers Raymond McDonald
Thank you for breaking this down and for informing as to what is happening. I see this was posted a year ago, and I hope that there is still time. We can’t forget or pave over the past; we owe it to these people to preserve that history. If not, then it falls in-line with all that was paved over, so to speak, right after Culloden. Now is a time to resurrect and connect with that lineage.
Thank you Kay. You might be interested in more of our videos, we produce a new one each month covering local history and the Jacobite period with particular emphasis on Killiecrankie. The Jacobite Wars were about Scotlands two cultures, the Gaels and the Highland Clans supporting Catholic King James who ran away to France and the Lowland Scots supporting Protestant William and Mary. Sadly for the Gaels and Highland Clans they eventually lost out at Culloden. More stories can be foubnd here that you might be interested in www.soldiersofkilliecrankie.co.uk/stories/
Wow thank you. I send my support from here in Australia
As a descendant of Jacobites banished to America. I support you.
I think Killiecrankie was the first battle to use 'plug' bayonets - jammed into the muzzles of the musket for close quarter combat. The highland charge was so quick, the Scots troops didn't have time to fix bayonets and many were killed or took flight. The tragedy of the Jacobite rebellions was that Scots killed Scots. The Jacobites were seen as traitors which meant the death penalty - why so many were killed at Culloden.
In truth, of the 3,471 taken prisoner at Culloden, only 120 were executed and 30% of these were British deserters. About 1000 were deported, about 1000 were freed and some 400 were exchanged with French PoW's. The fate of about 650 is unknown - but I like to think they escaped and returned to the highlands...
Certainl in Britain it was the last time plug bayonets were used as the Scottish Government Commander learnt that his troops did not have enough time to fire their last shot and then fix their plug bayonets before the Jacobite clans were on them. Cameron of Lochiel described the scene after the battle with the red coats soldiers hacked down where they stood in their lines.
Interesting what you say about culloden. The have a series of video on the battlefield and its history www.soldiersofkilliecrankie.co.uk/battleofkilliecrankie/
Outrage bloody outrage will these people be remembered as those who preserved this historic site for future generations or the tosses who ripped it up and stand condemned for all time.
Please join us and help us let everyone who cares about Scottish History know what is happening here. Please also let our First Minister firstminister@gov.scot know what Transport Scotland are proposing is unacceptable in this day an age. Please join our little army and motivate all those whop are about Scotland's history. Than you for your support.
what has been the outcome of this or is it yet undecided?
Yeah. What's happening?
Hi Tim, The Scottish Government appointed a Reporter to hear the arguments. This happened in January 2020, he should have reported to Scottish Ministers by now. I suspect with Corona any decision has been delayed. You might be intrerested in this video we just created showing the facts on the ground th-cam.com/video/Nu0z2T1etKU/w-d-xo.html
@ExplorePitlochry Rulzion, it's Ritchie Duncan from Uni. If you need any political help just give me a shout. More than happy to help you for a change. Give me a call or ping me back
It looks so much easier to put it on the top side of the existing road , crazy , I don’t Sturgeon will listen , like so many communities that have not wanted wind turbines but got them when the Scottish office overturned the local planing decision .
I fear it is about cost. Transport Scotland rightly, in my view, have been asked by Scottish Government to dual the A9 from Perth to Inverness using the least cost options.
But, we who care about Killiecrankie Battlefield, incorrectly understood the Scottish Battlefield Protection legislation put in by the SNP government in 2013 would mean Scottish battlefields such as Killiecrankie (it is one of the named battlefield in this legislation by the Scottish Parliament), would be properly considered when it comes to developments such as this.
The public had no say in the process, nor were we allowed to see the deliberations on the route until after Transport Scotland had made its route through the battlefield choice. Transport Scotlandwere duty bound by the legislation (see the link at the end of this response) to consider the battlefield implications of their route choice. They had meetings behind closed doors involving Historic Environment Scotland and other public agencies as they made their considerations.
It transpired that the Scottish Battlefield Protection legislation has no teeth. No matter what Historic Environment Scotland (HES) said, all Transport Scotland needed to do was show they had considered the points. HES were powerless.
When the chosen route became public, we had our concerns. The more we looked at what Transport Scotland was saying, the more alarmed we the local community became. The more we dug in to establish the basis for the route through the battlefield choice, the more we realised that this decision was made without properly considering the battlefield and loss of Scottish history. I will expand further on this:-
1). Transport Scotland made the route choice before a full archaeological survey was undertaken of both route options through the battlefield. These surveys were only completed after we as locals objected to the incomplete archaeology record of what they were proposing to destroy. They have since completed this work because of our objections.
2). At the Public Enquiry in January 2020, Transport Scotland constructed an argument to defend their route choice based on the location of the Scottish Government red coat Army Battle Line, by positioning it as far away as possible from the existing A9.
You would have thought this battle line would have been part of their initial considerations before the route choice was made. Not at all, Transport Scotland especially constructed it for the Public Enquiry.
At the Public Enquiry my brother Rulzion Rattray, challenged this battle line. He pointed out to the Public Enquiry that musket balls travel in straight lines and as there was a rise in front of Transport Scotland's choice of battle line, it was impossible for the musket balls to have travelled to where they have been found in the archeology surveys. We later demonstrated this on the battleefield, see our video made in July 2020 th-cam.com/video/Nu0z2T1etKU/w-d-xo.html
3). After the Public Enquiry we used Transport Scotland'ss archeeological date and looked at where we felt the evidence pointed to the battle line position. Have a look at our video made in July 2020 th-cam.com/video/dbqegBzmLJU/w-d-xo.html
4). At the time of the Public Enquiry I publicly stated this enquiry was flawed. John Swinney our local MSP asked me to meet him and to explain why I felt it was flawed. I pointed out that this was the state, in the form of Transport Scotland, with limitless funds taking on the local people of Killiecrankie who had absolutely no such funds.
It was very apparent during the Public Enquiry that it was not about what was right for the Killiecrankie Battlefield and preserving Scottish history. It was all about Transport Scotland winning the argument no matter the cost.
At the start, of this response to you, I said the main factor that Transport Scotland used to decide the route was cost based. Let me expand on this.
To put the road on the north side the upslope side means:-
1. They will have to blast a rocky out crop to clear the path (costly to do).
2. It will mean they are unable to dump excess earth from other parts of the route over the battlefield, which is the easiest option and have to find more costly alternatives.
We still await the out come of the decision by Scottish Government Ministers on the Public Enquiry and the route they choose to back. Delayed by Covid and the General Election.
I for one am very sad to have been mislead by the much heralded Scottish Battlefield Protection Legislation www.historicenvironment.scot/advice-and-support/listing-scheduling-and-designations/battlefields/effects-of-inventory-status-on-owners/
Thank you for your comment, the more people who know what is going on here the better. It allowed me to enlarge on the issues as I see them.
@@JamesRattray Thanks for info James, At the end off the day HES is a Scottish gov quango and won’t want rock the boat to much . Good luck with the fight , by the way I’m in Erkines Reg and was at SOK from start to finish , pity it ended , was a good little event , good luck .
@@charlestaylor8566 thank you. Erskines Regiment played a very significant part in helping us make the Killiecrankie event happen. Hopefully it will happen again, may be next year? New owners on Killiecrankie Battlefield are very supportive. The event may happen in the future, may be not annually but at regular intervals, as you know it takes a very significant amount of effort and cos to organise. Thanks for these exchanges, see you soon at Killiecrankie.
Transport Scotland is the ones needed a bayonet up the asphalt! Damn Sassenach!
@@KeshHarp who’s a sassenach ?
Unbelievable
we want to blame the english but the scots were not united and fought on both sides,after culloden the british isles basically conquered the world,the scots english irish a nd welsh united
'Not a truer word has been spoken'. Is that what they say. I totally agree with you. Scotland had two strong vibrant cultures, Gaelic and Lowland Scots-English. The story of the Jacobites is about these two Scottish cultures choosing to back different monarchs, with the Lowland Scots-English culture winning out. The anti English rhetoric is helped by the fact the English Parliament and the Scottish Parliament were dissolved to form the UK or British Parliament in 1707, a third of way through the Jacobite era (remembering the 1st Jacobite Battle was in 1689 and Culloden the last in 1746). So now the anti-English rhetoric can deny this culture clash within Scotland and blame everything on this foreign body called 'Westminster.'
The Union of the Parliaments in 1707 allowed the Scots to take part in the English Empire (remember it was a bunch of merchants in London who obtained a charter to trade with India on the 31st December 1600). The English were a force in the world because of its navy. Although being part of an island, Scotland never had a navy of any consequence.
The question needs to be asked, would all those Scottish adventurers that are part of our proud Scottish history have happened, if Scotland was not an important part of the UK.
There is absolutely no doubt that Scotland has done very well out of this union. The Scots played a very big part in the British Empire, just stop and ask yourself how many Scottish names are spread across that empire New Zealand, Australia, India, Africa, North America.