Targeting in bowling | How looking at the arrows or dots changes your angles
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Struggled for months, lofting the ball to my target, an arrow. Hit it consistently with little down-lane action. Old guy watching suggested I aim closer at a dot or between. BOOM! 5 consecutive strikes. Studying this game I've learned the sooner the ball is on the lane the more reaction it will have. Good tip, thanks.
I struggle with the same thing Lofting the ball as well so you aim where? Dots instead of arrows this helped you stopped Lofting??
Yes, I too made that change, but I also use the arrows to pick up spares! Made a great improvement🎳
I have the same issue I'm a decent bowler carrying a 210 average but I wanna get better on my release by getting the ball down without lofting it
The great Earl Anthony agrees.
He said in his lessons, if you want the ball to hook later, look past the arrows, and if you want it to hook earlier, look before the arrows.
This is all he said it takes to get the ball to start up later or earlier.
Not true at all,at least for todays game. Aiming at the arrows or dots only changes how u loft or roll the ball. Aiming at the dots causes an early release while aiming at the arrows causes a later release. Sanding/resurfacing your ball determines the early or late hook or throwing it more into the oil or dry part of the lane. Earl,while great, did not bowl with the new and modern technology of todays balls so taking his advice would be a bit wrong so to say.
@@ericpadilla2454 I practice this "aiming early" and "aiming late" technique today with modern balls on both Sport and House shots and it still works.
So have to disagree with you.
@@nordattack so do i as i used to loft the ball so i went to dots instead. My hook is still the same depending on the lane and exit point.
Great content! You put out some of the most helpful videos on bowling to help us average players.
This was incredibly helpful. I never used the arrows or dots. Just the pins and breakpoints. Was actually doing just fine, but I thought I might try to learn something new then pull my own style back in.
When I started using the arrows my scores actually went down, but they were consistent. Now I will put my spin on this tip and bring my bag of tricks back in to the new targeting scheme.
Now to find an alley that actually uses oil.........
Mr. Raymond - You do a fantastic job of explaining both basic and advanced bowling concepts. Love watching your videos and sharing your knowledge! Keep up the great work!
Just incorporating this into my game has increased my average by 20 pins over this summer alone!
same here. i feel like an idiot, i had no idea the dots were even there
When I started I used the dots, then moved to the arrows. A guy I bowl with in league told me about hitting the dots and following it through the arrows (almost using both in a weird way) and it has worked wonders
I tried using the dots a few times after years of targeting at the arrows but it felt way to close and almost like pulling me down as I'm 6'4", but recently I started understanding playing the lanes front to back and started bringing my arrow target lower n lower till I'm bout halfway between dots n arrows and boy ur right my revs are the best I have to give almost every shot now. As a speed dom bowler its nice to see my ball pick up alil earlier as well now.
Will try that the next practice. The rule of 7 video that you did really helped me.
Fresh THS and sport shots I prefer the dots. But a broken-down house shot I use the arrows so I don't over hook by catching the dry too soon. Only a year into bowling and I may be wrong but that's what works for me.
Jeramie Scott interesting, it makes sense though. Maybe someone with more experience can answer this.
Nice video topic. It seems that looking closer tells the brain to roll the ball quicker/earlier, and looking far away it probably we stay more in the ball to project to that far spot. Also something to consider is, that some people aim better looking very close, and others looking further away.
Since forever, I have always targeted the arrows- maybe a foot before at the closest. In practice I mentally drew a line from my target at the arrows to he dots in line with where I was standing. I was laying it down cleaner, I was way more accurate and the ball hit harder. It's like I re-discovered the game.
really good idea to mentally draw a line between dots and arrows, I'll try that
Started shooting dots instead of arrows and it increased my revs and speed somehow. Also way more consistency. The only downfall is when i tug it left it goes a little further left.
I don't even see my ball till it gets halfway down the lane, unless I'm on some wicked heavy flat pattern, since I look at my breakpoint most of the time.
I do, however agree with the notion of the ball hooking sooner the closer you look on the lane. I have no idea why it works, but it works.
One more thing about getting the ball to the lane quicker. This only helps on fresh patterns, or pro patterns. On normal house shots, the heads burn so quickly, you are better off getting the ball to the lane a little later.
Brilliant. I'm trying this Sunday.
Awesome! This is a question I’ve asked experienced bowlers and they all have different answers, with some not even having a firm answer.
An excellent point. The results can be impressive when combining logic and simple math. Wish I would have thought of this a long time ago. Thanks
The reason your rev rate goes up if you place the ball earlier is because of basic physics which is momentum. When you place it earlier the ball has more lane to pass and the more distance means the ball can pick up momentum (turns) because of it's weight. So the more the lane the more speed the more revs.
I changed to looking from arrows to dots tonight and my scores went way up.
Thank you. You've helped my game out a lot with these videos especially this one. Using the dots upped my accuracy and consistency last night during league play and I definitely averaged out better than I normally do.
Thank you Jr I will try this too on Friday also
Good tip! Will pay closer attention to this in future.
Thanks 🙏🏽
I aim for second arrow on right. what has helped me hit my target is I keep my eyes on arrow till the ball is well past it and I also release with the right hand also aiming for arrow.
I've always used the dots instead of arrows. But I don't come from the left and roll toward the gutter because I tend to roll into the gutter. I instead run directly over the dot and let the ball slide then it begins it rolls. I do get alot of 10 pin leaves but it cures my gutter balls a ton. If I was better with revs I'd shoot more for arrows but I can't seem to grasp the concept.
I think you should use a spot at the arrows or a little farther down the lane. The closer your target is to you and the front of the lane, the bigger the error will be when you miss your spot. If you pull your ball and miss your target spot by a board, it will go much higher at the pins if you are a board high at the dots or closer as opposed to the arrows or further.
Example if you could throw a perfectly straight ball from the center board at the foul line, and rolled it straight down the middle, it would stay on that board all the way to the head pin. If you hit one board to the right 10 feet down it would be 6 boards to the right at the pins. If you hit one board to the right 30 feet down the lane, it would only be 2 board to the right at the pins.
The arrows is a compromise distance between aiming distance and target accuracy.
The dots help me when they do cosmic and I can't even see the arrows.
Last Wednesday (1/29/20) I decided to try targeting at the dots and actually saw a much betyer ball reaction and a higher rev rate than even the previous week in league. I tried it again yesterday (2/2/20) at a different house and shot 290 the first game out! It was much easier to hit my target consistently!!! Thanks for the always great content!!!
JR, I didn't even know the dots were there! I bowled last night and focused on the dots and my average went from like 164 to 190. insane! how did I miss this?
do the dots on the lane directly correspond to the approach dots? my apologies for the silly question!
With your thoughts on the angles you described, would that be the same using the 3 point targeting system?
Example:
Eyes center of six pin, imaginary line back and through to ten board. Or. Right edge of six pin imaginary line back and through to ten board.
That would change angels, too!!
Understanding 3 Point Targeting with Quiet Eye in 7 Easy Steps....Kegel Training
Your thoughts????
Thanks I'll try that tonight.
Jr great video as always. Would you say the reason rev rate goes up because looking at a target closer to you elbow can be closer to the body at release. Where as when targeting further down the lane we have subconscious to reach for our mark causing elbow to pull away from the body????
Thanks again..
Hey can you make a tutorial for a new bowler getting his first hook ball, how to keep the hand behind the ball, how to get a stronger wrist?
Two things you might want to keep in mind is: 1) on the downswing of your ball, at the point when your arm is straight down, your ring and middle fingers should be on the inside of your ball, that is, pointing at 8 o'clock rather than 6 o'clock or worse, 4 o'clock. When your fingers are on the inside (this is called the strong finger position), you will produce a stronger rev rate and a bigger hook because you fingers are traveling a greater distance as your thumb comes out and you lift as you release. 2) Cup your hand so that your hand is lower than the equator of the ball. Again, if your hand is behind and "under" the ball, you can put more rotation on it. If your hand is on the outside or above the ball, you can't get much rotation or hook. Hope this helps, or makes sense. You can practice just by holding the ball straight down and moving your hand around. You'll get the hang of it. Good luck!
Jr just one question well 2 questions first do you ever take your eff off your target just for a split second? A friend told me he has to work hard not to lose concentration doing this your thoughts? 2nd question is is a 5x4x2 drilling for a left handed bowler a strong layout of average what do you think? I turn the ball get good rotation. Thank you
Dots at foul line for me.
so how would the rule of 7 affect the bowlers who target at the foul line, For example, if you are targeting the 15 board and 5 downlane dropping it 15 on the foul line would make it skid more right once it reaches the arrows. I noticed in most videos its about 5 boards or so making it in which you had to most likely target 20 on the foul line dots allowing the ball to travel to 15 once at the arrows. But do I also have to move 5 more boards to the left with my feet also including the rule of 7 of course?
I'll give the dots a shot....I really never noticed them before....
I was taught to more or less throw at the arrow and the ball will not burn out as quickly. However, I think I could aim better if I released the ball closer to the dots. Any suggestions here?
JR, had in interesting discussion of the different sounds that a strike can make. Crashing powered strikes vs just barely strikes vs that high pitched sweet spot strike. I noticed there are zero videos about this, maybe you could start a discussion?
Don't ya just love the big crashing sound :>)
If you’re more of a straight/stroker bowler, where would you look?
And is there any scenario where you look at the pins? (As in other sports- “keep your eye on the ball”)
Well I am certainly a straighter player and my average is just 178 but I do usually use arrows for my target. However sometimes I want the ball to go longer so I look further down lane and sometimes I want it to break sooner and I look closer - like at the dots. Looking directly at the pin you want to hit can work for some when you are bowling for a spare but due to the hook I use for my first roll, (albeit not a big hook) I would look at the break point if not the arrows.
Where should I throw when I stand all the way to the left
If I am setting the inside of my left foot on the 20th board and throwing over the tenth board on what board should I be finishing on at the approach?
20 or 19.
How do you play 5th and 6th arrow if you are right handed
I guess the biggest issue is how much to open your stance to get the ball to go the direction you want.
Good info
Why aren’t there any dots in the middle?
No love for the foul line spotters?
No love for you guys!!!
Ha mind reader!!!! lol
Collab plz now thanks
nope, if I look at the dots I drop the ball at the foul line, the only way I get in my head to throw the ball is to look out ahead of the dots.
This is for advanced bowlers
Are you a bowler
Yes
@@Livingmybestlife887
Ok where do you bowl. So you bowl big tournament like the hoinke classic or the derby in Kentucky.
I put my eye on my shoulder
you make some great videos but this one is hard to follow with the music in the background