I'm sure as a character, Delilah can be so much more than a side character to be killed. especially that Ellie seems to be more than just a side character now. I wish Paco and her appear in S3
Joe: *kills people to win over Love and risks everything in his life for her* Love: *Tells Joe about everything she’s done (they’re literally perfect for each other)* Joe: “mmmm, no thanks”
I think it’s because she killed Deliah and basically ruined Ellie’s life for no reason. It was pretty unnecessary really and he always justifies to himself why killing people was “necessary or had to be done”.
@@rileyspencer3131 imo the only time its justified to kill someone is in self defense or defense of someones life. i actually kinda got a bit pissed at joe at the end for looking "disappointed". I was disappointed in joe the whole time lol
Actually it makes sense, cause we're all falling a little in love with him and this is supposed to strike us back to reality since he doesn't realize what a monster he actually is
To be honest, I’m not fully convinced that Joe letting Will go wasn’t a delusion which will be revealed in a later series. His video call with Will was a bit weird and like a fantasy (Will telling Joe what he needed to hear)... Then again, Will seems to have had a shady past too, so isn’t necessarily going to be fully in touch with reality and morals.
Yeah but Will wasn’t a good person and we know he’s not stable without medication (which he didn’t have most of the time he was in the cage) so im not surprised
When the garage door shuts to his glass prison cell (or the basement door in series one), and is surprised by someone, his murderous/panic/crazy face (and tensing of all his veins and muscles) is a unique combination you don't see in any other context, ever. That's tremendous acting.
I couldn’t agree more. One thing that bugged me (which I haven’t seen anyone else mention, so maybe it’s just me?)...is the choice of actor to play Joe as a teen, when he would get locked in the box by Mr. Mooney. They didn’t even try to get someone who resembled Joe. Such lazy casting. It’s not a big role, or all that important, or challenging...so why give it to someone who literally only had the same hair color. I found this incredibly distracting. They should hire whoever cast the music video “Unsteady” by X Ambassadors...now there’s an example of how it’s done.
@@cakerbaker9965 Oh, yes. I rather found his teenage "self" to be someone else entirely (perhaps the casting director needs glasses a mile thick). I'd say why, but you already did, though I'd like to add that the child version Joe has *blue eyes.* Joe has brown eyes. This isn't even an issue of continuity; it's failure to meet the basic biology requirements of accuracy. If they really wanted that child actor, they could at least use these things called contacts. Sloppy, sloppy mistakes.
Christine G. She said that she made milo use protection and Love always thought at the first glance that Joe was her soulmate so I don’t think she’d lie about it.
The woman next door had on a engagement ring so that aspect should be interesting. I'm really glad he didn't kill the real Will and I feel so bad for poor Ellie. She deserved better.
I have a twin: The reason why he sees her like that is because he’s trying to be good. He hates himself for the things he’s done and saw all that in Love.
maddyjul07 yes! Finally someone gets it! He wants someone perfect that’s why he seeked out beck and love, he wants the impossible and he’ll never be satisfied. He was even going to kill love like he did beck but she was pregnant.
quinton cornelius yeah! See! He wants a perfect imperfect girl, the impossible, he wants the girl to be perfect but her life a mess so that he can sweep in and save the day. He even says something like that when him and forty are talking about “beck’s book” and seeing through beck’s eyes.
The fact that Joe became so uninterested in Love once he realized she was as fucked up as him spoke volumes to me. He want control and fantasy, he didn’t wanted “real love”, or better said: he doesn’t know what love actually is.
Pal Cadaval I bet you season 1 joe would’ve accepted her. It’s cause he was obsessed with being “good” for Love. Then he realized that Love is just as bad as him while he was trying to improve himself for her. That’s why he was disgusted.
Pal Cadaval I think he became uninterested it’s because she it’s literally everything he hate the most about him also what a great performance like you could see in a second how his feelings toward her changed
I think it was to do with the timing. Joe was in the box and for the first time stopped lying to everyone and most of all stopped lying to himself. The whole show he’s lied to himself to justify his actions but at this moment he realises how truly fucked up he is and he hates it. And then love shows up and reveals that she is also fucking crazy. Joe can now see how truly crazy it is. I think season 3 she’s going to be the crazy one that joe has to escape
Joe can’t love Love anymore because she is not “good”. The whole point of him finding love was to become good just like the “pure” girl he would fall in love with and he sees that Love is NOT good, she is twisted just like him.
No, he doesn't like "good" girls. He loves damsels in distress because his mother was a damsel that was always being abused. Beck and Candace were bad girls too. Beck was having affairs with random guys and married men and professors. She was far from pure and good. Candace had a record. Love is a psychopath but a problem solver, never in need of a man to save her. She saves men such as her brother and Joe.
Sammi ss that’s what’s so frustrating though I wish he would just get over it and realize that Love is the best person for him because nobody “good” would want him
Joe wants an escape from the darkness in which he lives; he doesn’t want to look in the mirror everyday and see everything he hates about himself. He can’t respect nor desire Love for who she is: a *comfortable* killer, because he doesn’t respect what he does either even though he rationalizes it every time. He is blatantly disgusted by the way she seems content in her actions and her identity as a repeat killer.
My favorite part of the series was Joe being irritated that he couldn’t stalk Love bc she always wanted to be with him 😂😂 “I cant stalk you if we’re always together”
I can’t believe he doesn’t love someone who is literally just like him and accepts him for all he has done.... It’s like he likes the chase more or something idk weird
he doesn’t love her because he is disgusted by her. when joe kills , he says he does it out of love , or to protect them. when love admitted to the killings , he was going to kill her. the only reason as to why love is still alive is because of the baby.
Heatherlicious 82 they aren’t the same the he killed for his own reasons bengy was a addict didn’t give a shit about beck cheated on her stood her up lied to her and her friend wanted beck to be her puppet. He killed beck because she was going to tell on him. Which was wrong but love was very reckless she killed Delilah because she fucked him but Delilah had no intentions of dating him she had a sister to take care of they had nobody and Candace was trying to save love from someone so toxic and she just killed her. It showed joe she’s sweet but she a bit dumb and doesn’t care about the feelings of children who have nobody then her saying pin the murder on Ellie just really made him disgusted because she’s just a kid. She also cooked with Ellie knowing that she killed her sisters.
bacara18 it’s not about “not wanting bs”. If you don’t want bs then say it and move on. He said more than once that he didn’t want to pursue anything because he wasn’t ready in his own way. She kept popping up and hiring a frickin P.I.
He is cast in Gotham (Penguin). Never watched the show so can't say anything about that. I had to google him because it irritated the heck out of me that I thought I knew him but couldn't put the finger on it.
It’s crazy how even though Joe was the serial killer, Candace seemed more like the villain in season 2. She made me forget that Joe tried to kill her because she had such a villainous vibe even though her intentions were good🤦🏾♀️
@@janakanawati268 cuz the show is meant for u to sympathize with the main character, aka, joe.. thus making it hard to remember all the horrible things he did.
Ms Keys Note i feel like it makes sense because all of season 2 he was trying to make improvements and be better than he was with everything that happened with Beck to be perfect for Love, and to find she’s exactly what he didn’t want to be was a major setback for him
Right? Call me crazy for wanting a happy ending for those two, they just worked so well together. They clicked. I hope Joe has some second guessing and comes back around to love Love, because she is a damn fine character if I do say so myself.
cocojennful I have a feeling will will come back to haunt him! Not because he’s bad but because he’s alive & KNOWS what joe has done and has in that storage shed. There must be blood & DNA all over it. It might be gone but I’m sure he’s saved some personal details from his most intimate kills.
@@heymaryelizabeth If anything he will stay away and live his own life until joe comes to him for advice\help and one of his tasks will push will over the edge and make him stop seeing the good in him cuz he got away and got to be with his girl he doesn't need and want that drama in his life until joe will push him to far to where he won't be able to hush hush anymore
francesca pauline he targeted Ellie like that because he got an Anonymous tip about her. Love set up the anonymous tip to throw the suspicion off joe because she said she knew Ellie would get out of it with the help of forty with the lawyer.
Paco saw all the abuse in his household, Paco got Joe all those supplies to clean a death up, Paco saw him kill Ron, Paco didnt get help for Beck (since Joe helped him I guess). Wouldnt surprise if Paco comes back sometime and is a new killer himself lol. Far fetched but hey who knows lol
tallaganda83 That’s what I don’t like about this show. They completely forgot most of the characters in season 1 except for Candace. I think it’s because if they did keep those characters around they would definitely catch Joe but Netflix wants more seasons and money.
Joe doesn't love love anymore, he thinks she's totally crazy and is only sticking with her as it was the only option at the end really, she is the female version of him but he obviously doesn't like that trait in other people
Why is Love scarier than Joe to me? I feel like the fact Joe can’t love some as dangerous as himself shows some level of self awareness where as Love feels that they are made for each other which makes me feel like she’s utterly blind
Yeah. It's the fact that Love knows and accepts who she is and what she's done (which is scary in this context), whereas Joe tries to change and become a "better" person (though not really, he is just deluding himself). Love accepts her dark side and wants someone like her - which is also a bit scary because she is content with what she's done and who she is and wants the same darkness in a partner; Joe hates and is disgusted by his dark side (which is why he is disgusted with Love when he finds out she is just like him - the only difference is that Love CAN accept and love a psycho, Joe can't - because he lives in a fantasy where he imagines this perfect partner that does not exist). Joe's inner monologue might also make him SEEM less scary than Love to the viewer. Objectively they're both scary psychos though :)
I think in a way that makes Joe the blind one. Love knows he is the same as her, which is why she still loves him. Joe is still under the delusion that he isn't a monster, and all he has done is justified. He sees Love as crazy, but not himself.
joe doesn’t want someone who is like him. he was disgusted that love would kill someone who didn’t deserve to die. when joe kills , he believes he is doing it out of love , to protect. joe will never be happy with love , he is only with her because of the baby. without the baby , he would’ve killed her in the cage
@@lxxy05 But Joe also killed many people who didn't deserve to die, so for him to be disgusted with Love is hypocritical. Love killed Delilah and Candace because they would've prevented her and Joe being together. Joe killed Peach, and Beck's ex, because they were in the way of him and Beck being together. If anything he should love and appreciate Love because she is like him, actually understands him, and killed someone to be with him like he did for other people who thought he was crazy.
@@alainahannah4966 Like the other guy said, Joe is delusional and a hypocrite. Everyone who watches this show knows that Joe is the biggest hypocrite on the face of the Earth. He doesn't mind killing for the "greater good" of protecting those dear to him, but as soon as Love, the woman who he idolizes to be his perfect dream girl fantasy, kills someone, not once but twice. He's extremely disgusted. He doesn't want the image of Love to be tainted with murder. Joe is indeed a delusional hypocrite.
Yes and no. His character just does a full 180 at the end that came out of nowhere. Had they saved the death for s3 and just focused on candace's death in s2 it wouldve been better
MisterPudd. It wasn’t a dramatic change, it was just after Candace tried convincing him more that he saw it differently, but his personality was still the same. Plus love’s the reason he was fucked up like that
The main character is named JOE, he changes his name to WILL he falls in love with a girl named LOVE and the name of the show is YOU all together it’s “JOE WILL LOVE YOU”
It makes sense to me. Love has become just like Joe. Joe hates himself. He would have killed Love had it not been for their child. Joe wants someone who's innocent and not like him.
I don’t think it was a pointless moment though. In a way Joe is tortured by his actions (mental illness). When he threw his key out of the cage I think that showed that he did feel guilt in the moment because he thought he killed Delilah and felt that he should be punished.
Is she really pregnant though? Because she was drinking at dinner with her mom in episode 8, and when she went to go see Joe at the hotel and he was on LSD, he said she smelled drunk & her mom also said she had too much to drink??? Idgi
Dayonna Arts The actor that plays joe actually said that he thinks joe will never be satisfied with any girl because what joe wants is impossible to get.
I hope someone finds his script just like they found Becks manuscript and they do make it But it’s just like the worst possible version of it if that makes sense like there are so many details that have been purposefully changed like the book
It literally shows how toxic people are lol, he got EVERYTHING he wanted and it still wasn’t enough. He was toxic and manipulative and in the end he really had us ALL fooled. We all fell for the lies he narrated.
Ku’uipo Mauai I don’t think he meant to manipulate the audience. We can’t really fall for his lies if they aren’t directed towards us. He narrates to himself. The show is about the mental process behind his actions. He lies to himself about who he is. And when he came to realize how disgusting some of his actions were he accepted that he deserved to be locked up until realizing Love is equally as crazy and pregnant. I find it really sad cause he was in his right mind for a minute and he knew he was pretty much a monster showing he does have morality and doesn’t want to be a monster. Then Love convinces him he did nothing wrong. Ironically he was disgusted by Loves action when he had done the same but he acknowledges his hypocrisy as well. It’s really just the tale of a twisted mind. He manipulates everyone around him but he didn’t “have us all fool”. Us the audience are the only ones he’s 100% real with
He had you fooled. But anyone with half a brain and emotional intelligence could tell he's chock full of positive self-deception and the audience is meant to see right through it. Speak for yourself, not for "ALL."
Probably to show Joe will never change and nothing will satisfied him, in a way it makes sense since Love isn't his idea of "pure love" because she isn't has innocent and good person like he thought.
I just meant that she didn't seem like the rough sex kind which could have been a sign to the ultimate twist, not that I was criticizing this kind of sex 😅
my jaw dropped when that twist happened. I was like WTF? But i also kind of like the chemistry among the two. When he's stalking that other married woman at the end, i was kind of saddened by it. I can tell he lost interest in Love when he nearly killed her, but i had hoped for the opposite :c
Nimbus Tbh I kinda saw it coming. The whole way she introduced herself was a red flag for me. Almost just like Joe. The show did make me think that wasn’t going to happen whatsoever though, so when it did I was still shocked.
dudeeee i was so hoping now that he’s met his soulmate they’d somehow team up and protect their daughter/children in their twisted way (bonnie and clyde-esque)
@@TheCommun3 Yeah and I think part of that was because her actions led to a child getting hurt in the process and because she pretended to be someone she wasn't and someone who Joe loved but after she took off her mask it became wholly apparent to Joe that what he himself did was wrong.
Joe doesn’t love Love in the end because of two things. One he wants a more ethereal woman. Remember he tells Love his mother was a saint. Although we know that to be false. He really wants the wholesome girl next door type lady. This goes with point two. He wants a woman who loves him because he is a good man. This is what he wants because his mother told him he is good. That he just did a bad thing. She justifies his actions by making it seem like a necessity. You see these thoughts are echoed in both seasons. He can’t love Love because she loves the dark him. The person he is trying not to be. So they are not soulmates but personalities are compatible. It’s not a good fit for Joe because he lives mostly in an altered reality where his actions are minimized and he doesn’t accept ownership of his actions. But the big part is that these type of killers tend to have an order or code which they live by. Her killing Delilah went against his code and made Ellie a target. He doesn’t believe in putting children in danger. He understood that Love’s code is to protect the ones she loves. This meant that Ellie could become a target. Although they are essentially killing for the same reasons they just have different train of thoughts to get there.
And also the scene where he wears a mask and takes it off after Henderson told him that they're the same. Represents joes mask slipping off and seeing his real self. The mask "fell off".
I feel like joe doesn’t feel love anymore because his type is more of innocent women and he’s scared of someone like him Edit: thanks for all the likes😊
Which is the ultimate irony. Candace was right, he did see who he really was, in Love. And he was scared of her. And STILL he doesn't connect the fact that he is JUST like her. It kills me, lol.
I believe that Joe has never truly loved a woman as he's never been truly, unconditionally loved by another in his lifetime. Most ppl would recover from a childhood like his but he is also clinically insane. I wonder if the show will eventually come to a close with him behind bars? Will all of his past crimes come to light? Will he be murdered? Will he just keep going until he's too old to hold captives and kill? This show is wonderful, I love it. I binged season 2 in a weekend lol. I can't wait for more and I'm gonna read the books in the meantime. It would be cool if the writer also released Beck's book for a deeper dive into her perspective and the story in general. The only thing that makes me uncomfortable is seeing women gush over the character in a romantic sense. Joe is the kind of guy we should avoid at all costs, keeping in mind that we can't fix anyone but ourselves. I'm your 527th like! ❤️ Great and thoughtful post, girlie!
Haneefah Fofana eh maybe but i don’t think so. he likes the chase. he likes the obsession. that’s why he doesn’t want love anymore. he is bored and he wants to have the game of obsession.
Love is going to kill joe, because the show isn’t going to go past season 3 , it’s no more creative ideas , let’s be honest we all knew what season 2 was going to be about, season 3 can’t take the same narrative because that’s boring, he has to die or walk off into the sun. Show won’t have a season 4
It’s just beyond me how psychotic Love is and yet when she smiled in that last scene when she was on the porch you would NEVER think she’s crazy or a murderer. Like AT ALL! With joe it’s kinda there in the eyes and just his face but with her it’s a complete 180 from the first scene we see her in. She just looks like your average LA chick who dresses like a prairie girl and is into those natural food, non-GMO markets (I forget the name). Then when she cries, you start to see a bit of a scary side. She just looks like she could hurt you when she’s sad. And then when she kills Candace she looks terrifying and then she goes to Joe and cries and you’re just left staring at your screen like what the actual fuck. And then she wants to smile at the wedding like she’s normal. Idk she played her role really well. Best season out of the two.
Am I the only one who actually sympathized with Candace in season 2? I mean you've got a girl who nearly got killed by some crazy psycho and after being told by the police that there is nothing she can do she doesn't lay low in fear for the rest of her life but tracks that mofo down and tries to catch him in the act because he knows that he'll trip up. She wasn't sneaky about it either and boldly told her almost killer to his face that she's not afraid of him and is determined to bring him to justice. But of course she slipped up in the end and got herself killed. Instead of calling the police she called Love when finally caught him with a dead body and had him trapped in his own cage. Like whyyyyyy?
Me and my bf we’re watching it and he called out from the beginning that Love was gonna be crazy and he sure as hell was right. I had suspicions Love killer Delilah , it would be too cliche if Joe had done it
Right, she was kind of just there, and the fact she got killed didn’t help her story either, if she could actually get joe in trouble with the authorities that would’ve been more interesting. Rather than just following him around
I had high hopes for her I thought she'd be so much better then that like a huge mental obstacle for will play the psychological game like what am I goin to do Will, when will I do it Will, I could have already started it but they did her dirty she was super interesting in season one cuz she was the one that got away but it was pathetic
I definitely developed some for Love 😂😂 but that’s bc her acting was amazing and she’s pretty cute and has a good heart in real life’s and I also watched her in The Haunting of Hill House, where she also did a great job.
I agree he fell in love with love when he thought she was this perfect girl the way he wanted to see her, but was completely turned off when he found out him and love are both similar. Both are crazy
damn, I really thought the twist at season 3 was really shallow as a dash to continue the hype but if what you say is true then season 3 will be insanse. I have my doubts his mom would be in her 60's now.
The “neighbor” is NOT another romantic interest and here's why. It’s because of that bubbly song played every time Joe meets a woman he’s attracted to. That soundtrack when he met Beck, when Candace re-entered the library and when he met Love. That sound missed when he saw the neighbor. 100% not a love interest.
But if u listen real closely, u can hear a bell ring as he approaches the neighbor, just like the bell from Mooney's when Beck first walked in, and when Candace re-entered it
My theory: Joe is in prison and is writing (or wrote) a memoir simply because he’s narrating. He’s lived in the moment and is just giving us his POV of what went down. Just a thought .
@@8797mppau No kidding. People are so stupid that they literally believe his obvious narrated self-deception, and think a serial stalker is going to up and change? Neeeewuuuu.
Honestly I’m glad they didn’t make joe finally have his “perfect family”, we all clearly see that after Love revealed her true self, joe could no longer feel love towards her, as he compares it to his punishment being stuck now with Love. Plus, with his savior complex and underlying needs for true and REAL lasting love, it makes sense that with his ill mind that he’d continue to search for someone to truly fill that gap. It’s interesting though, as I read the comments, a lot of people are saying it looks to be a older woman, either saying it’s his mom (which I find hard to believe) or just someone new, and I think the idea of an older woman is a very interesting take and idea that I hope follows into season 3.
Nora H the love he’s looking for is from his mother, that’s probably why those flashbacks. The mother kept putting herself over him and never really loved cause if she did, he would’ve been different & she would’ve never left him in the all boys house.
i just realized beck’s book, the dark face of love, could have been a hint for season 2...since at the end we literally get to see love’s ‘dark face’... 🤔 what do y’all think?
I obviously knew he wasn't well, but the show makes you root for Joe since he is the protagonist. So, it made me believe that all Joe wants is to find real true love, and someone who really understands him. Even the dark parts. But after seeing the last scene of season 2 I realized that Joe doesn't want real love, he's just in love with the idea of true love. And the fantasies of how he thinks the women he's attractive to should be.
Watch Bates Motel. I feel like they steal some things from that show. Also Lucifer is the best show on Netflix. It's the only show I've watched straight through twice.
Season 2 was soooo damn good. I’m already excited for season 3 😭 I had no idea the last episode was going to play out like that. Joe is seriously casted perfectly for it
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Flicks And The City Awesome 😎 also season three definitely needs to happen
@@rufarojunior I'm pretty sure there will be!
I really thought delilah and joe were gonna be together for season 3
I didn't like it at all, and I loved season 1!! But this one doesn't look like the same. It's hidious...
LaSirenaVarada the second book takes place in LA too I think it would have been repetitive if done like season one but I see your point
Delilah was an underrated character. She didn’t deserve to die.
I'm sure as a character, Delilah can be so much more than a side character to be killed. especially that Ellie seems to be more than just a side character now. I wish Paco and her appear in S3
R3Q fr🥺 I felt like we knew Delilah too well for them to kill her off. She had way too much screen time for her to be killed off like that
@@mmbbzmmbbz6627 And I expected more talking when Love killed her. She just
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YES IT MADE ME SO MAD!!!
Anissa Zouaghi eh. Not a good observation. Have you seen game of thrones. They kill of characters left and right.
Joe: *kills people to win over Love and risks everything in his life for her*
Love: *Tells Joe about everything she’s done (they’re literally perfect for each other)*
Joe: “mmmm, no thanks”
I guess even when you're the worst scumbag, having a partner just as bad as you isnt attractive lol 😂
Nobody wants to date themselves
I think it’s because she killed Deliah and basically ruined Ellie’s life for no reason. It was pretty unnecessary really and he always justifies to himself why killing people was “necessary or had to be done”.
@@rileyspencer3131 imo the only time its justified to kill someone is in self defense or defense of someones life. i actually kinda got a bit pissed at joe at the end for looking "disappointed". I was disappointed in joe the whole time lol
Actually it makes sense, cause we're all falling a little in love with him and this is supposed to strike us back to reality since he doesn't realize what a monster he actually is
No ones gonna talk about will and joes relationship😂 like joe locked this man in a cage and stole his identity and now they’re pen pals like wtf 😂
Anna Carroll lol
To be honest, I’m not fully convinced that Joe letting Will go wasn’t a delusion which will be revealed in a later series. His video call with Will was a bit weird and like a fantasy (Will telling Joe what he needed to hear)... Then again, Will seems to have had a shady past too, so isn’t necessarily going to be fully in touch with reality and morals.
Stockholm syndrome
The most pure relationship in the whole show tho
Yeah but Will wasn’t a good person and we know he’s not stable without medication (which he didn’t have most of the time he was in the cage) so im not surprised
His acting is brilliant really, the way he is going back and forth crossing the line between creep and guy next door is really good.
When the garage door shuts to his glass prison cell (or the basement door in series one), and is surprised by someone, his murderous/panic/crazy face (and tensing of all his veins and muscles) is a unique combination you don't see in any other context, ever. That's tremendous acting.
I couldn’t agree more.
One thing that bugged me (which I haven’t seen anyone else mention, so maybe it’s just me?)...is the choice of actor to play Joe as a teen, when he would get locked in the box by Mr. Mooney. They didn’t even try to get someone who resembled Joe. Such lazy casting. It’s not a big role, or all that important, or challenging...so why give it to someone who literally only had the same hair color. I found this incredibly distracting.
They should hire whoever cast the music video “Unsteady” by X Ambassadors...now there’s an example of how it’s done.
@@cakerbaker9965 Oh, yes. I rather found his teenage "self" to be someone else entirely (perhaps the casting director needs glasses a mile thick). I'd say why, but you already did, though I'd like to add that the child version Joe has *blue eyes.* Joe has brown eyes. This isn't even an issue of continuity; it's failure to meet the basic biology requirements of accuracy. If they really wanted that child actor, they could at least use these things called contacts. Sloppy, sloppy mistakes.
@@ourcorrectopinions6824 That was very annoying because young Joe actually looked like older Joe, except for the eyes 😕
And the looks he makes. He is a God at that
Am I the only one who thought that Love was lying when she said she was pregnant??
Franka Douglas Me too
Same, i thought she said it so he wouldn’t kill her
She probably got pregnant from the Aussie
Christine G. She said that she made milo use protection and Love always thought at the first glance that Joe was her soulmate so I don’t think she’d lie about it.
Same. As soon as she said it
When Love said “Guinevere Beck was unspecial and mediocre” everyone who has ever watched You felt that
mal ob I honestly couldn’t have cared less about her character. 😂
@@ebraden09 she was so basic lmao
ebraden09 same
I totally agree
MCRTS they’re all basic. Love wasn’t interesting till the very end lol
Wish they didn’t kill Delilah
Yeah I was so upset
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But she was sooo ungrateful! He killed that celebrity for her!
yeaa i was hurt because i felt bad for elle too
No offence mate but for digging that much she had it coming
Joe: now you see me.
Joe: now you dont 🧢
Geo Ortiz super underrated comment here
@@Ofstudiofae true
logic 101
This comment made me laugh so hard
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“Who bakes for the baker”
Who stalks the stalker?
Perla pablo love
It all comes full circle
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What Ever yeah like Will just « picked » and stalked his own stalker
The woman next door had on a engagement ring so that aspect should be interesting. I'm really glad he didn't kill the real Will and I feel so bad for poor Ellie. She deserved better.
India Shanté they only showed her right hand, engagement rings goes on the left hand
Ariel Salmeron it’s on her left hand
Ariel Salmeron it was the left hand
Literally Joe left her all alone I want Ellie back for season 3 for revenge for the death of her sister
Joe went to the post office and he received a card signed -E thanking him for the money and telling him to keep sending money every 3 months.
Am I the only one who at the beginning thought she killed her husband as well?
Zuza Mal i think her husband dying is the reason she became crazy
Layla Mira she was crazy before he died
@@dimewolfe She killed the au pair who was abusing Forty. But why does that make her crazy and Joe not?
I don't think she did. He was already dying that too she came to know after sometime
It is posdible! She said he refused to have a happy family with her
joe: sick and twisted
love: sick and twisted
joe: disgusted 🤢
I have a twin when he said what the fuck after she explained I laughed so hard loool u have to be crazy to shock a serial killer
ShantaTV lmao
I have a twin: The reason why he sees her like that is because he’s trying to be good. He hates himself for the things he’s done and saw all that in Love.
IKR I was so mad at him
I’m still on Joes side
Joe has his nerve to not want to be with the female version of himself
why ? he just doesn't love her
yeah that’s the whole point, he craves this “perfect girl” than he will never get
maddyjul07 yes! Finally someone gets it! He wants someone perfect that’s why he seeked out beck and love, he wants the impossible and he’ll never be satisfied. He was even going to kill love like he did beck but she was pregnant.
quinton cornelius yeah! See! He wants a perfect imperfect girl, the impossible, he wants the girl to be perfect but her life a mess so that he can sweep in and save the day. He even says something like that when him and forty are talking about “beck’s book” and seeing through beck’s eyes.
So does loves mom know about the killer couple or does she think it was all forty being crazy for nothing?
I’m also curious about how Ellie is handling her “new life”
Pam Beasley I heard she’s working in Florida at Sabre
Ellie could be Joe's neighbor he's looking at through the hole in the fence next door lol!!!
She sent him postcards and he shredded it.
Ms.Bubs4fun well she was asking for money
Nekiah Flowers didn’t he say he would send her money and not abandon her though? I didn’t get that part when he shredded the postcard
The fact that Joe became so uninterested in Love once he realized she was as fucked up as him spoke volumes to me. He want control and fantasy, he didn’t wanted “real love”, or better said: he doesn’t know what love actually is.
Pal Cadaval I bet you season 1 joe would’ve accepted her. It’s cause he was obsessed with being “good” for Love. Then he realized that Love is just as bad as him while he was trying to improve himself for her. That’s why he was disgusted.
Pal Cadaval Spoke
@@Anakin.Apologist not my first language, thank you
Pal Cadaval I think he became uninterested it’s because she it’s literally everything he hate the most about him also what a great performance like you could see in a second how his feelings toward her changed
I think it was to do with the timing. Joe was in the box and for the first time stopped lying to everyone and most of all stopped lying to himself. The whole show he’s lied to himself to justify his actions but at this moment he realises how truly fucked up he is and he hates it. And then love shows up and reveals that she is also fucking crazy. Joe can now see how truly crazy it is. I think season 3 she’s going to be the crazy one that joe has to escape
“What are you watching these days?”
“I’m watching you”
“Oh the new Netflix show???”
“No”
🤣😭
had to explain this to a few friends when i told them i was watching you
Hahaha
i see what u did there
Joe can’t love Love anymore because she is not “good”. The whole point of him finding love was to become good just like the “pure” girl he would fall in love with and he sees that Love is NOT good, she is twisted just like him.
Than maybe joe should take a look in the mirror and wonder why his relationships end up the same 🤷♂️
No, he doesn't like "good" girls. He loves damsels in distress because his mother was a damsel that was always being abused. Beck and Candace were bad girls too. Beck was having affairs with random guys and married men and professors. She was far from pure and good. Candace had a record. Love is a psychopath but a problem solver, never in need of a man to save her. She saves men such as her brother and Joe.
Sammi ss that’s what’s so frustrating though I wish he would just get over it and realize that Love is the best person for him because nobody “good” would want him
Joe wants an escape from the darkness in which he lives; he doesn’t want to look in the mirror everyday and see everything he hates about himself. He can’t respect nor desire Love for who she is: a *comfortable* killer, because he doesn’t respect what he does either even though he rationalizes it every time. He is blatantly disgusted by the way she seems content in her actions and her identity as a repeat killer.
Olivia Cloud that would be the logical response but Joe isn’t entirely logical. His logic is based on the deluded reality he spends his time in lmao.
My favorite part of the series was Joe being irritated that he couldn’t stalk Love bc she always wanted to be with him 😂😂 “I cant stalk you if we’re always together”
kyra williams 😂😂and get the dude is still convinced that there’s nothing wrong with him.
kyra williams wow lol do you remember what part he said that in wow ,I missed that great line
Visionary April It’s a lil foggy bc I binged 😩 but I know it was early in the season before he let the real Will go.
Omg i totally forgot!!
Visionary April not sure but it might have been when he skips brunch with her friends and stalks them instead. 🙄
I just felt sad when Forty died. He was with Joe all this time and in the end he just thought to save his sister. He didn't deserve to die.
Forty was annoying
Blitz Boy forty was so adorable!! literally all he wanted was to protect love
@@gibbybiggestfan1949 I didn't find Forty annoying honestly. Joe did.
@@raaneemmayenin8412 yes. I liked it when he would come out of nowhere and be like "hey old sport" xD
@Cosmic__NuTT well he had a gun to Joe's head
i swear he would've played a great ted bundy..
euphoria enthusiast
Looks like him too
euphoria enthusiast YESSS 😭😭
@@belbarcelos9264 looks A LOT like Ted. Fuck you Ted.
YES. That's exactly what I thought! Also, in certain scenes he kinda looks like him..
euphoria enthusiast this is freaky. I was thinking the exact same.
I can’t believe he doesn’t love someone who is literally just like him and accepts him for all he has done.... It’s like he likes the chase more or something idk weird
he doesn’t love her because he is disgusted by her. when joe kills , he says he does it out of love , or to protect them. when love admitted to the killings , he was going to kill her. the only reason as to why love is still alive is because of the baby.
He wants a sweet, innocent girl to protect.
samantha but she said she did it for love too. So he is a hypocrite. I guess being a psycho though he doesn’t see they are actually the same.
Heatherlicious 82 they aren’t the same the he killed for his own reasons bengy was a addict didn’t give a shit about beck cheated on her stood her up lied to her and her friend wanted beck to be her puppet. He killed beck because she was going to tell on him. Which was wrong but love was very reckless she killed Delilah because she fucked him but Delilah had no intentions of dating him she had a sister to take care of they had nobody and Candace was trying to save love from someone so toxic and she just killed her. It showed joe she’s sweet but she a bit dumb and doesn’t care about the feelings of children who have nobody then her saying pin the murder on Ellie just really made him disgusted because she’s just a kid. She also cooked with Ellie knowing that she killed her sisters.
@@heatherlicious8224 that's men for ya
Candace deserved better.
Delilah deserved better.
Even Forty deserved better.
Fuck forty, imagine being around that guy in real life
Absolutely!
Hometown Rapper he didn’t deserve to die tho
samantha none of them did
Lance Louis and ellie even tho she didn’t die
She seemed weirdly emotional and way to attached from the beginning.
Ashley Lindo I agree!
bacara18 it’s not about “not wanting bs”. If you don’t want bs then say it and move on. He said more than once that he didn’t want to pursue anything because he wasn’t ready in his own way. She kept popping up and hiring a frickin P.I.
She just wouldn’t let go and I found that odd. 🚩
totally agree! a couple episodes in, i predicted that she was just as fricked up as he was just based on how hard she came on to him out of nowhere
Honestly I think she’s way more dangerous than joe.
the best part is when joe is on lsd and loves eyes are getting bigger 😭
Victoria Madera it was two am and I was hollering
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
bruh moment 🤣
I thought I was tripping I was so confused for a second
There's a scene in BBC's "Sherlock" where Watson and Sherlock get drunk. It reminded me of that.
This man was really trying to change and had to meet a mirror of himself. Then was disgusted by it, honestly 🙄😂
Okay but tell me why that’s everyone lolllll
@@xSeulgi looool 🤣
Jessica Sebastião bad luck
The SELF DRAG! 😂
Ugh, men
And the neighbor looks like an older lady. Ties into his quest for his mothers love.
maybe its his mum
@@SuperTrailerz I think that too
@@SuperTrailerz as I understood, isn't his mom dead? 🤔
@@anam5448 no
Most the girls he likes look sort of similar in certain ways. Maybe he is looking for his moms love. Maybe Kathy Griffin returns lol
the real Will was probably my favorite character of the season
Effy Stonem honestly sameeee
Effy Stonem ahah honestly same he was so nice
raaneemmayenin Ikr. like he was so chill, i was rooting for Joe not to kill him
I loved him! He gave me Jessy (from Breaking bad) vibes
He is cast in Gotham (Penguin). Never watched the show so can't say anything about that. I had to google him because it irritated the heck out of me that I thought I knew him but couldn't put the finger on it.
It’s crazy how even though Joe was the serial killer, Candace seemed more like the villain in season 2. She made me forget that Joe tried to kill her because she had such a villainous vibe even though her intentions were good🤦🏾♀️
Cuz the show is in Joe's pov
this is why i had such mixed feelings about her
Itss KosiWosii I was still so happy when she died😂
@@j9405 why though
@@janakanawati268 cuz the show is meant for u to sympathize with the main character, aka, joe.. thus making it hard to remember all the horrible things he did.
When joe said “see you soon...neighbor” at the end of s2, did anyone get “xo xo gossip girl” vibes too?
Elena Mitchell yup was waiting on it being said hahahha
Maybe the neighbor is Serena van der woodsen
i meannnn he is gossip girl
Anybody else think it’s his mom through the fence?
I bet it’s His mom
I knew he wouldn't want her after finding out she wasn't perfect.
I hate that he doesnt want her anymore 😔
Ms Keys Note i feel like it makes sense because all of season 2 he was trying to make improvements and be better than he was with everything that happened with Beck to be perfect for Love, and to find she’s exactly what he didn’t want to be was a major setback for him
Right? Call me crazy for wanting a happy ending for those two, they just worked so well together. They clicked. I hope Joe has some second guessing and comes back around to love Love, because she is a damn fine character if I do say so myself.
TheAndkonmegalodon you have major issues if you feel any type of compassion for these two lol
Stachery Welles Thank you, too many people in this comment section not hoping for their immediate rest and timely departure from this world.
I really liked Will/Joe relationship. And Forty/Joe relationship, too.
cocojennful I have a feeling will will come back to haunt him! Not because he’s bad but because he’s alive & KNOWS what joe has done and has in that storage shed. There must be blood & DNA all over it. It might be gone but I’m sure he’s saved some personal details from his most intimate kills.
@@heymaryelizabeth If anything he will stay away and live his own life until joe comes to him for advice\help and one of his tasks will push will over the edge and make him stop seeing the good in him cuz he got away and got to be with his girl he doesn't need and want that drama in his life until joe will push him to far to where he won't be able to hush hush anymore
Forty was so annoying nope glad he gone.
cocojennful why did the choose the stupidest names this season tho? Love? Forty? 🙄🙄🙄
@@wendyl0v3 Because it is upper class LA I guess xD
The only real relationship in this season was the real will and joes relationship
Samira Ahmed and the last season was Joe and Pacco
Samira Ahmed Stockholm Syndrom
It's like he healed him, if will was a woman little girls would be writing fanfiction abt them
Scuffed elliot alderson
I think different, it's the relationship between Ellie and Joe/Will.
the cop was annoying. he didn’t have to target ellie like that
francesca pauline he targeted Ellie like that because he got an Anonymous tip about her. Love set up the anonymous tip to throw the suspicion off joe because she said she knew Ellie would get out of it with the help of forty with the lawyer.
I’m so mad that Delilah died because her and the cop should’ve ended up together
Yeah he should've let me die!
...that's how cops work
@@oliviacloud4815 I was sad they didn't end up together too :(
I’m wondering if Paco is ever gonna come back since he knows the truth about Joe and what happened to Beck
I'm surprised Joe never tried to visit him, especially since they're both in California, and Joe supposedly does care about him.
Paco saw all the abuse in his household, Paco got Joe all those supplies to clean a death up, Paco saw him kill Ron, Paco didnt get help for Beck (since Joe helped him I guess). Wouldnt surprise if Paco comes back sometime and is a new killer himself lol. Far fetched but hey who knows lol
Im surprised the private investigator for the Salingers didn't play a part in this season too, there was a lot left out tbh.
tallaganda83 That’s what I don’t like about this show. They completely forgot most of the characters in season 1 except for Candace. I think it’s because if they did keep those characters around they would definitely catch Joe but Netflix wants more seasons and money.
Paco and Ellie should meet one day and expose Joe for everything he’s done
i thought she was crazy from the start but did not know he would keep falling in love after he was with his perfect woman
Yup its legit milking. I mean they are perfect for each other they are both crazy
Joe doesn't love love anymore, he thinks she's totally crazy and is only sticking with her as it was the only option at the end really, she is the female version of him but he obviously doesn't like that trait in other people
Michael Kani who is the perfect woman?
Michael Kani me too! I knew something was off about Love from episode one
Liam Pinkham he doesn’t love love anymore because he thinks he’s a good person and deserves someone good as well but he’s not and he doesn’t
Why is Love scarier than Joe to me? I feel like the fact Joe can’t love some as dangerous as himself shows some level of self awareness where as Love feels that they are made for each other which makes me feel like she’s utterly blind
Yeah. It's the fact that Love knows and accepts who she is and what she's done (which is scary in this context), whereas Joe tries to change and become a "better" person (though not really, he is just deluding himself). Love accepts her dark side and wants someone like her - which is also a bit scary because she is content with what she's done and who she is and wants the same darkness in a partner; Joe hates and is disgusted by his dark side (which is why he is disgusted with Love when he finds out she is just like him - the only difference is that Love CAN accept and love a psycho, Joe can't - because he lives in a fantasy where he imagines this perfect partner that does not exist). Joe's inner monologue might also make him SEEM less scary than Love to the viewer. Objectively they're both scary psychos though :)
I think in a way that makes Joe the blind one. Love knows he is the same as her, which is why she still loves him. Joe is still under the delusion that he isn't a monster, and all he has done is justified. He sees Love as crazy, but not himself.
@Roman Francis but he still chose freedom in the end. And he is shown at the end of the last episode about to repeat his cycle.
@Roman Francis he made a choice.
@@alexandra9944 nice observation bro
This man joe wants to do all the killing and have a perfect girl. 😂😂 as soon as he meets his soul mate he’s not happy wtf
joe doesn’t want someone who is like him. he was disgusted that love would kill someone who didn’t deserve to die. when joe kills , he believes he is doing it out of love , to protect. joe will never be happy with love , he is only with her because of the baby. without the baby , he would’ve killed her in the cage
@@lxxy05 Joe is deluded AF. Love is crazy, but she is also the only person that can accept Joe's true self. He will never be happy
@@lxxy05 But Joe also killed many people who didn't deserve to die, so for him to be disgusted with Love is hypocritical. Love killed Delilah and Candace because they would've prevented her and Joe being together. Joe killed Peach, and Beck's ex, because they were in the way of him and Beck being together. If anything he should love and appreciate Love because she is like him, actually understands him, and killed someone to be with him like he did for other people who thought he was crazy.
@@alainahannah4966 Exactly, he saw love kill someone who didn't deserve it so by her doing this he saw in her what he really is
@@alainahannah4966 Like the other guy said, Joe is delusional and a hypocrite. Everyone who watches this show knows that Joe is the biggest hypocrite on the face of the Earth. He doesn't mind killing for the "greater good" of protecting those dear to him, but as soon as Love, the woman who he idolizes to be his perfect dream girl fantasy, kills someone, not once but twice. He's extremely disgusted. He doesn't want the image of Love to be tainted with murder. Joe is indeed a delusional hypocrite.
Am I the only one who’s sad about forty’s death? He was just trying to protect love
Yes and no. His character just does a full 180 at the end that came out of nowhere. Had they saved the death for s3 and just focused on candace's death in s2 it wouldve been better
MisterPudd. It wasn’t a dramatic change, it was just after Candace tried convincing him more that he saw it differently, but his personality was still the same. Plus love’s the reason he was fucked up like that
NO. He was toxic and sketchy!!!
yes
@@MisterPudd Yeah, it did feel like an unearned flip.
The main character is named JOE, he changes his name to WILL he falls in love with a girl named LOVE and the name of the show is YOU all together it’s “JOE WILL LOVE YOU”
LMAOOO very interesting, but get off the acid, Forty
Ruthwik Rao 😂😂😂
Or You Will Love Joe.
🙄🙄🙄
ok
An I the only one who was mad when he became obsessed with ANOTHER girl at the end😤
Maybe it's her mother
This made me hate the serie, I am not excited anymore for the next season
Dude cant help it (:
same , joe will never be satisfied lol
It makes sense to me. Love has become just like Joe. Joe hates himself. He would have killed Love had it not been for their child. Joe wants someone who's innocent and not like him.
As Shakespeare once said, “Bitcheth was crazy.”
i thought that was mike tyson
Did he say it fr
Best quote ever
Why no one is talking about joe yelling “mama ro” as the safe word 😂
thought that was a rue's drag race reference lol
It’s MAMA RUE! Lol
Lol!!
Mamma Ru (as in RuPaul)
Dodo Dodo MAMA RU*
I died laughing 😂
Joe could die by his daughter. Just like the flashbacks when he killed his father. idk just a thought.
They would have to have a time jump of atleast 5-6 years. So i don't think they would show that ending scene if they would do a time jump
So true, it would be a creepy ending thinking that his daughter would repeat the same patterns and we were never gonna know.
Seriously though something like that could happen- the daughter of Joe and Love?? The baby would b doomed from the start
maybe Ellie could kill Will since he mentioned having to parent her? it could be a reflection of him killing his father?
That’s such a great idea
I wanted to see Deliah's character develop more. So sad.
Marlon Semple same, I don’t get it why did joe shred the letters from ellie at the end of season 2
The show's version is definitely more developed than the book's and she is likeable
I thought the whole setup with the time count and him being late is for her to escape and face him in some clever way >_>
im sad for delilah, forty and ellie. they deserved better!
Why did u forget candace
@@DiVa-ks2jg lmao her too i guess but those 3 were my favourite characters this season
@@SoSBxo agreed
Di Va because she should stayed gone and let joe fuck up on his own but oh well I’m just glad joe wasn’t the one to kill her lol
so sad about forty :(
Season 5: Joe goes to prison and begins to stalk a female prison guard who eventually lets him free
Haha nice , but how exaxctly can you stalk from prioson
They did forty real dirty at the end there.. He had the best character arc only to get shot by a no name cop.
yeah that was rough
Yes that’s what I thought! Would cops in real life shoot + kill Forty without any warning or without telling him to drop his weapon?
His name was Finch get it right
Was I the only one who didn’t like forty...?
Hale Bales i didn’t care for Forty but i didn’t think he deserved to be killed on the spot by Finch
Can we just say.... how shooked we all were when love killed Candace.
K121 yes!!!!! I was so shocked
They got rid of Candace to easy she deserve better.
I didn't mind. The actress who played Candace sucked a big one.
Saw that coming breh
yup dat was sad
It’s funny as hell how when someone else does something crazy Joe acts like he can’t relate at all
I know right! however he tells himself that every time he does something crazy its for a good reason and he’s a hero.
Righttt like Love only killed 2 people compared to your 8 victims 😭😭
Joe was looking for a love he'll never find. His mother's love.
The real will is my favorite character. He's the only one escaped the box
Difficul yes did you watch the show?
Difficul Joe let Will out and they even called each other after a few episodes
Real Will is a superb character, more of him for sure.
Escaped is a strong word. Maybe "allowed to be set free to fuel Joe's urge to be good"
@@unofficialbeautyqueen6624 i think he escaped by negotiating his way out
He likes control. With Beck he had it. With Love he doesn't, he's not ahead of the curve anymore.
I was so shocked when Joe just THREW HIS SPARE KEY outside the cage!!
Right? It was so pointless because immediately after that he was asking for the key from love
that was a dumb move in that moment but he got out 💀
I don’t think it was a pointless moment though. In a way Joe is tortured by his actions (mental illness). When he threw his key out of the cage I think that showed that he did feel guilt in the moment because he thought he killed Delilah and felt that he should be punished.
it tricked us. I really thought the movie was going to go in a whole other direction. Till she killed candace.
@@nicoleono2326 Well he thought it was all over for him
Are we just not gonna talk about how Joe almost killed Love with the handcuffs, until he heard she was pregnant?
Blu the hypocrisy of it all I was so annoyed by that
@vict oria right lool I was lost
Finish the video
Yeah, its super dumb cause shes exactly like you! She kills for love. Lol crazy but yeah..
Is she really pregnant though? Because she was drinking at dinner with her mom in episode 8, and when she went to go see Joe at the hotel and he was on LSD, he said she smelled drunk & her mom also said she had too much to drink??? Idgi
We have to remember candance said she was talking to someone on the outside & said if she died joes identity would be revealed 🤔
Arely Silva Morales oh shit
Oh, snap! I totally forgot about that! I wonder if she was making it up or if it was real.
Probably a tactic to scare Joe because cause remember the cop said there was no real evidence for what he did
Doesn’t matter. They have no proof.
Arely Silva Morales it was probably a lie to keep herself safe
Joe met his crazy and he don’t even like her 😭🤣
Dayonna Arts Lmao
I think joe wants an innocent girl that’s actually good basically his opposite he hates love cuz she’s the same as him
Dayonna Arts The actor that plays joe actually said that he thinks joe will never be satisfied with any girl because what joe wants is impossible to get.
Dalia Torres he’s probably right.
How true is that . She was wilding cutting them girls throats like a slayer. I knew she was off since the beginning of the season
Forty’s movie never got made :(
Beck's movie never got made
It was going to suck anyway.
It will... Ellie will make it. Mark my words.
It's OK they turned it into a Netflix series
I hope someone finds his script just like they found Becks manuscript and they do make it But it’s just like the worst possible version of it if that makes sense like there are so many details that have been purposefully changed like the book
To be fair--Beck really was mediocre.
Yep. Love personnality outshines her by far
Yeah I didn’t realize it until Love and her personality came into play
Idk why but I just like beck more I just like season 1 better in general
I feel Beck represents most people, most of us are pretty mediocre
Lola Lopez she was an absolute joke of a character
It literally shows how toxic people are lol, he got EVERYTHING he wanted and it still wasn’t enough. He was toxic and manipulative and in the end he really had us ALL fooled. We all fell for the lies he narrated.
Ku’uipo Mauai I don’t think he meant to manipulate the audience. We can’t really fall for his lies if they aren’t directed towards us. He narrates to himself. The show is about the mental process behind his actions. He lies to himself about who he is. And when he came to realize how disgusting some of his actions were he accepted that he deserved to be locked up until realizing Love is equally as crazy and pregnant. I find it really sad cause he was in his right mind for a minute and he knew he was pretty much a monster showing he does have morality and doesn’t want to be a monster. Then Love convinces him he did nothing wrong. Ironically he was disgusted by Loves action when he had done the same but he acknowledges his hypocrisy as well. It’s really just the tale of a twisted mind. He manipulates everyone around him but he didn’t “have us all fool”. Us the audience are the only ones he’s 100% real with
The gag is he doesn't actually love anyone and won't be able to until he works on his psychological issues he got from dealing with mom and dad
Lena Finney yes. Stop chasing “love” because the person he needs to love is himself. That is what Gabe told him in the acupuncture session (s2e7)
@@CHEREKA98 one of my favorite parts in the whole show😍😍😍
He had you fooled. But anyone with half a brain and emotional intelligence could tell he's chock full of positive self-deception and the audience is meant to see right through it. Speak for yourself, not for "ALL."
End of season 2
“See you soon, neighbor”
Me:
Bruh
Fr tho, murder couple couldve been lit
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ceelow7843 Oh it's gonna be a murder couple alright, because we ALLLLL know that Love is gonna have to kill the neighbor. XD
@Jasmin Amezcua thats how it is in real life soo kinda makes sense, i see what your saying tho
@@SilverIrisWhisper i like the sounds of that 🥴
It annoys me so much that Joe is so shocked about Love and stops loving her because he is no better than her and wanted her to love him... Arrogant af
She showed him what he was, and he didnt like what he saw.
David Orla I know I wanted him dead after that.. I want love to win
It's cuz he moved to try to change
That's rather the point.
I don’t get it why did joe shred the letters from ellie at the end of season 2
The ending scene where joe found the new “you” kinda annoyed me because I liked love
Samme
same here
Probably to show Joe will never change and nothing will satisfied him, in a way it makes sense since Love isn't his idea of "pure love" because she isn't has innocent and good person like he thought.
Madeleine r yea but I was hoping for like a dexter type thing where 2 psychopaths are together
it might not be another lover, could be his mom
I wonder why is no one mentioning how Love choked and gagged him while having sex, that can be counted as a sign that she is not what she seems to be.
umm, not that abnormal 😅
Wait, does that mean something is wrong with me? xD
PokeMe yep
No, girls with Daddy issues love that.
I just meant that she didn't seem like the rough sex kind which could have been a sign to the ultimate twist, not that I was criticizing this kind of sex 😅
Joe: Finally someone who is like me.
Also Joe: Heyya Neighbor.
Who else was mindfucked while watching season 2?
Me
Me
Me.
my jaw dropped when that twist happened. I was like WTF? But i also kind of like the chemistry among the two. When he's stalking that other married woman at the end, i was kind of saddened by it. I can tell he lost interest in Love when he nearly killed her, but i had hoped for the opposite :c
Nimbus Tbh I kinda saw it coming. The whole way she introduced herself was a red flag for me. Almost just like Joe. The show did make me think that wasn’t going to happen whatsoever though, so when it did I was still shocked.
dudeeee i was so hoping now that he’s met his soulmate they’d somehow team up and protect their daughter/children in their twisted way (bonnie and clyde-esque)
Would've been so much better. Dissapointed if its another love interest.
Anointiyae Beasley same. but maybe it’s something else now, i don’t know, maybe it’s not a love interest but like a mother figure or something
@@dawnrosewood7060 i don't think so, I think it's his mother. Her hands look "too old"
You and Joe both live in fantasy-land.
@@ourcorrectopinions6824 again, people are allowed to have opinions on a fictional story/show lmfao.
I fell like neighbour is actually his MOM.
Pratibha Dhruwe lol what
Wrong
I said the same thing its his mom!
ok this could actually be something, that would be so interesting cuz they never said she was really gone or dead did they??
Omg that would be a big twist
Joe is literally Paco when he's a kid. Wow
@Roman Francis yup he actually saved paco from the guilt of taking a life..paco and her mother are probably doing good now
The lady at the end has to be his mom, she had the same ring
how did I miss that :O
If it’s mom and love kills her ☠️
@@Daphineholland why she will kill her ?
@@umberina no he just attempted to finish her sentence, but they never confirm her death
didn't he say we look for our dads/ moms in others sooo
Poor Candace... Love really is Joe's other half..
You poor soul! RIP
Yes but he doesn't love her anymore..he will never be satisfied
I hated Candace but I fell terrible for Dilailah
@@TheCommun3 Yeah and I think part of that was because her actions led to a child getting hurt in the process and because she pretended to be someone she wasn't and someone who Joe loved but after she took off her mask it became wholly apparent to Joe that what he himself did was wrong.
@Ambiguous Nut Case Maybe Candace but not Beck. He kind of got rid of her ghost in episode 2 already
Joe doesn’t love Love in the end because of two things. One he wants a more ethereal woman. Remember he tells Love his mother was a saint. Although we know that to be false. He really wants the wholesome girl next door type lady. This goes with point two. He wants a woman who loves him because he is a good man. This is what he wants because his mother told him he is good. That he just did a bad thing. She justifies his actions by making it seem like a necessity. You see these thoughts are echoed in both seasons. He can’t love Love because she loves the dark him. The person he is trying not to be. So they are not soulmates but personalities are compatible. It’s not a good fit for Joe because he lives mostly in an altered reality where his actions are minimized and he doesn’t accept ownership of his actions.
But the big part is that these type of killers tend to have an order or code which they live by. Her killing Delilah went against his code and made Ellie a target. He doesn’t believe in putting children in danger. He understood that Love’s code is to protect the ones she loves. This meant that Ellie could become a target. Although they are essentially killing for the same reasons they just have different train of thoughts to get there.
Planningwithjazz sisssss you areeee so right. Lol i feel like you have a mind of a social worker, therapist, or psychologist.
Jane Jonas I was thinking the same thing. Like wow this comment is def from a psychiatrist or something lol
Jane Jonas Yes I’m a therapist.
Your an actual genius for figuring that out!
most accurate comment on here fr
Is nobody going to talk about the fact that he moved that big glass cage with him to LA?!?! How the hell did he do that🧐
Imogen he built a new one
lol right
He talks about building the new cage out of plexiglass and how well Mooney taught him
Follow up question: since he built a new one in LA, where the fuck did he get the money (I mean, that shit must be pricey)?
The same thing i thought right away ! Lol
And also the scene where he wears a mask and takes it off after Henderson told him that they're the same. Represents joes mask slipping off and seeing his real self. The mask "fell off".
FBI we got em He just lies, seduces, manipulates & murders and justifies it all.
FBI we got em ok now put him in prison FBI
I feel like joe doesn’t feel love anymore because his type is more of innocent women and he’s scared of someone like him
Edit: thanks for all the likes😊
Which is the ultimate irony. Candace was right, he did see who he really was, in Love. And he was scared of her. And STILL he doesn't connect the fact that he is JUST like her. It kills me, lol.
Yup
I believe that Joe has never truly loved a woman as he's never been truly, unconditionally loved by another in his lifetime. Most ppl would recover from a childhood like his but he is also clinically insane. I wonder if the show will eventually come to a close with him behind bars? Will all of his past crimes come to light? Will he be murdered? Will he just keep going until he's too old to hold captives and kill? This show is wonderful, I love it. I binged season 2 in a weekend lol. I can't wait for more and I'm gonna read the books in the meantime. It would be cool if the writer also released Beck's book for a deeper dive into her perspective and the story in general. The only thing that makes me uncomfortable is seeing women gush over the character in a romantic sense. Joe is the kind of guy we should avoid at all costs, keeping in mind that we can't fix anyone but ourselves.
I'm your 527th like! ❤️ Great and thoughtful post, girlie!
Erin Vinson Thankyou❤️
Haneefah Fofana eh maybe but i don’t think so. he likes the chase. he likes the obsession. that’s why he doesn’t want love anymore. he is bored and he wants to have the game of obsession.
Love is going to kill Joe at the end of season 3, I put my money on it.
Kamaria Morana My money is on that Joe will kill Love instead as Joe is the protagonist
Love is going to kill joe, because the show isn’t going to go past season 3 , it’s no more creative ideas , let’s be honest we all knew what season 2 was going to be about, season 3 can’t take the same narrative because that’s boring, he has to die or walk off into the sun. Show won’t have a season 4
@@thisisjustanillusion6486 True. The next 2 books aren't even out yet and the next season goes into production within the next couple of months.
Love is going to kill his mother(the neighbor) and then she'll kill joe. She's gonna have a narrative of her own I put my money on it.
@@thisisjustanillusion6486 There's a 4th book planned. The show is drifting a tad bit away from the books, but a season 4 is possible.
It’s just beyond me how psychotic Love is and yet when she smiled in that last scene when she was on the porch you would NEVER think she’s crazy or a murderer. Like AT ALL! With joe it’s kinda there in the eyes and just his face but with her it’s a complete 180 from the first scene we see her in. She just looks like your average LA chick who dresses like a prairie girl and is into those natural food, non-GMO markets (I forget the name). Then when she cries, you start to see a bit of a scary side. She just looks like she could hurt you when she’s sad. And then when she kills Candace she looks terrifying and then she goes to Joe and cries and you’re just left staring at your screen like what the actual fuck. And then she wants to smile at the wedding like she’s normal. Idk she played her role really well. Best season out of the two.
we gotta give credit to forty and his one-liners though.
cherry they were great 😂
Best
Wasn’t it Love who suggested “I Wolf You” ? Foreshadowing much? A wolf in sheep’s clothing?
awe true!
No it wasnt her joe came up with that
Gloria M. If I remember correctly it was actually Love who came up with that
Oh come on now that is no foreshadowing
Denis Skenderović ? Lol. What? It’s 100% foreshadowing subliminally. The show is filled with these little nods.
There’s a part of me that wants to believe that his neighbor ends up being his mom
I feel the same
Ash MMIV ME TOO
Look at her hands. It's his mom
Yesssss
But his mom don’t like books cause when they were packing she told him to pack important things not the books
no matter how much we hated Candace she was trying to protect other people and to expose joe, which was the right thing to do even if we dont want it.
Am I the only one who actually sympathized with Candace in season 2? I mean you've got a girl who nearly got killed by some crazy psycho and after being told by the police that there is nothing she can do she doesn't lay low in fear for the rest of her life but tracks that mofo down and tries to catch him in the act because he knows that he'll trip up. She wasn't sneaky about it either and boldly told her almost killer to his face that she's not afraid of him and is determined to bring him to justice. But of course she slipped up in the end and got herself killed. Instead of calling the police she called Love when finally caught him with a dead body and had him trapped in his own cage. Like whyyyyyy?
I don't hate her....I love her character and wish she gets more screentime
I’m honestly surprised that people didn’t like her. I wanted justice for her so badly and I just wanted Joe to rot in prison lol
I didn't realize people hated Candace. I don't understand that. If anyone in this show was actually trying to do the right thing its her.
I never hated her.
Me and my bf we’re watching it and he called out from the beginning that Love was gonna be crazy and he sure as hell was right. I had suspicions Love killer Delilah , it would be too cliche if Joe had done it
knew she was crazy when she choked joe and put a tie in his mouth hahah
I too knew right away just by her demeanor and lil singnals..
I knew something was off with her cuz she had them hella crazy eyes but I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt
Diamond Wolfe she literally just looked crazier and crazier as the season went on. I saw so many red flags
@@linds3685 what ep
I never developed any feelings or thoughts on Candace as a character
Shakib Ahmed me either
Right, she was kind of just there, and the fact she got killed didn’t help her story either, if she could actually get joe in trouble with the authorities that would’ve been more interesting. Rather than just following him around
I had high hopes for her I thought she'd be so much better then that like a huge mental obstacle for will play the psychological game like what am I goin to do Will, when will I do it Will, I could have already started it but they did her dirty she was super interesting in season one cuz she was the one that got away but it was pathetic
I definitely developed some for Love 😂😂 but that’s bc her acting was amazing and she’s pretty cute and has a good heart in real life’s and I also watched her in The Haunting of Hill House, where she also did a great job.
I really liked her :/ i rooted for her! She just needed so much more screentime :(
Was I the only one that shipped Delilah and Joe/Will together?
Edit: Also I wonder if Paco and his mom and Ellie will come back for Season 3?
Kadrina Amos nope wanted the same
No if she had lived, she deserves someone way better than joe.
Kadrina Amos Nope. I was so excited when they started hooking up 😂 In the first episode, I thought Delilah was going to be the “You” of the season.
Same! I was so mad when he caught her in the storage snooping and he said "I was going to ask you to dinner" 😩😩
I wanted them together
Love: Explains herself at the ending
Joe: w t f
LMAO
I was like “is it really over😔” and then he looked over the fence and then I was like “SEASON 3 HERE WE COME 🤠”
He's cursed, really. The only sort of person that would love him despite knowing who he really is, is someone he could never love.
I agree he fell in love with love when he thought she was this perfect girl the way he wanted to see her, but was completely turned off when he found out him and love are both similar. Both are crazy
Very well said
Love looks like Hilary Duff’s and Jennifer Garner’s love child
D. True!! Or Hilary Duff and that actress that plays Arwen in LOTR!
And if their love child met and made a baby with Kay Dennings.
Omg she does😱
+
D. Lol I thought the love child of Hilary Duff and kat dennings (morre so cuz her voice is kinda similar)
😂😂😂 she does!!
His Neighbor is his Mother, she has older women hand. And don’t forget Joe’s Quote/Question to his mother “ why can’t we be together forever “ 👌
Ha, Love would litteraly kill him. Metaphorically and physically.
damn, I really thought the twist at season 3 was really shallow as a dash to continue the hype but if what you say is true then season 3 will be insanse. I have my doubts his mom would be in her 60's now.
Watch it end like some Twisted Bonnie and Clyde
Agree
in an interview Penn badgley (actor for joe) said its definitely not his mom so..
The “neighbor” is NOT another romantic interest and here's why. It’s because of that bubbly song played every time Joe meets a woman he’s attracted to. That soundtrack when he met Beck, when Candace re-entered the library and when he met Love. That sound missed when he saw the neighbor. 100% not a love interest.
But if u listen real closely, u can hear a bell ring as he approaches the neighbor, just like the bell from Mooney's when Beck first walked in, and when Candace re-entered it
@@Έλενα-σ5κ but I don't remember a bell going off with Love
maddy32406 i think with love it doesn’t really matter since he still observed and judged her the same as beck and the new girl
I feel as if it may be one of Beck's friends or family
I hope you're right
I think this is slowly becoming my favorite show
My theory:
Joe is in prison and is writing (or wrote) a memoir simply because he’s narrating. He’s lived in the moment and is just giving us his POV of what went down.
Just a thought .
Well, he's narrating because it's based on a book though..
that’s actually really good
Static yeah but they’ve already switched a couple things from the book
@@saulherrera2802 like what?
Saul Herrera woww that’s good, I could see that.
ok i genuinely thought that the ending was fine. then comes
"see you soon.. neighbour"
aight imma just... head out..
Andrea Fung but that’s the point of the whole series, that’s the real Joe, he always wants more. I loved the ending I thought it was perfect.
@@8797mppauyea true, was a plottt twist but ngl kinda expected since its joe lol
@@8797mppau No kidding. People are so stupid that they literally believe his obvious narrated self-deception, and think a serial stalker is going to up and change? Neeeewuuuu.
Ahh shit here we go again
Honestly I’m glad they didn’t make joe finally have his “perfect family”, we all clearly see that after Love revealed her true self, joe could no longer feel love towards her, as he compares it to his punishment being stuck now with Love. Plus, with his savior complex and underlying needs for true and REAL lasting love, it makes sense that with his ill mind that he’d continue to search for someone to truly fill that gap. It’s interesting though, as I read the comments, a lot of people are saying it looks to be a older woman, either saying it’s his mom (which I find hard to believe) or just someone new, and I think the idea of an older woman is a very interesting take and idea that I hope follows into season 3.
Nora H the love he’s looking for is from his mother, that’s probably why those flashbacks. The mother kept putting herself over him and never really loved cause if she did, he would’ve been different & she would’ve never left him in the all boys house.
Nora H You're the only one speaking sense around here.
C Rod thanks i try
I liked Delilah better than Love honestly
Lance Louis me too
like them both, but Delilah is my favorite from this season.
I liked love she reminded me of the girl from dexter but she was bitch love was a lot more sympathetic than she was
same
Me too.
i just realized beck’s book, the dark face of love, could have been a hint for season 2...since at the end we literally get to see love’s ‘dark face’... 🤔 what do y’all think?
Omg thats true
wow I didn't even think of that!
ItsDre after i posted my comment i watched other videos and saw other people commenting this same “theory”... so i think we might all be right!!
Delilah should've commanded Siri to call the police when she was caged and cuffed and her phone's just few feet away.
she had to unlock it first with her face
Sunny Boi with iPhone if voice command Siri is on you don’t
Smart phones, dumb people.
My phone only responds to hey Siri if it’s charging. But you can get Siri anywhere in the house once she’s plugged
I don’t get it why did joe shred the letters from ellie at the end of season 2
When Joe found his new "YOU" again after finding someone who will truly understand him, this is when I finally realized that he's really crazy 🤦🏾♀️😢
THAT’S what made you realize?!?!? Not the killing people or the stalking. THAT
that is what made you realize? his whole character from the beginning showed he was crazy.
I obviously knew he wasn't well, but the show makes you root for Joe since he is the protagonist. So, it made me believe that all Joe wants is to find real true love, and someone who really understands him. Even the dark parts.
But after seeing the last scene of season 2 I realized that Joe doesn't want real love, he's just in love with the idea of true love. And the fantasies of how he thinks the women he's attractive to should be.
@@Cierrewesley STFU bitch Joe is daddy
This is by far the best show I have watched on Netflix
Originally a lifetime show
The Witcher disagree
okay but insatiable (although cheesy in presentation) is honestly just as good as this show
kayla that show doesn’t come close to this show wtf
Watch Bates Motel. I feel like they steal some things from that show. Also Lucifer is the best show on Netflix. It's the only show I've watched straight through twice.
Season 2 was soooo damn good. I’m already excited for season 3 😭 I had no idea the last episode was going to play out like that. Joe is seriously casted perfectly for it