Victor Davis Hanson: Mass Immigration and the Clash of Cultures | Ep. 33 | PART 1/2
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- In this episode, Scott welcomes back to the show Victor Davis Hanson, world renowned scholar of classics and military history. Victor is the Martin and Ilya Anderson Senior Fellow at Hoover Institution of Stanford University. His latest two books are The Dying Citizen and The End of Everything. They discuss immigration, patriotism, nationalism, and the clash of cultures and values in America today.
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Victor is a man I respect to the HIGHEST level..
Professor Davis Hanson is a brilliant scholar I put up there with Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman I love his books
Ah yes, Milton Friedman, truly the quintessential example of worthless human being; suggest you familiarize yourself with his comments and position on situation taken by Ford Motor Co. concerning the Pinto car.
uncle Milty never addressed regulatory capture nor the effects of political lobbying in general.... Free to choose???....lol. As long you you van only choose the options they give you.
Agreed @barrymcginty7199! All three of them are in my top ten favorite thinkers/authors.
Hanson is a propwasher. Izrul brought October 7 on itself. Nety funded hamas and ordered the reinvocation of the Hannibal directive on that day. There is no concern in the kneset for their hostages. In fact they're trying to Hannibal them any chance they get
Hanson is a brilliant propwasher
27% of the population in California are not born in the United States. Let that sink in.
😢😢😢😢
er, how goes it ?
In 1860 it was much bigger for the entire country
& good # of the remaining 73% would like to leave!
Well, they need somebody to do the actual work.😊
The Dying Citizen and The End of Everything. Totally spot on.
Finally someone who understands the parallels between 5th Century Rome and 21st Century USA. In having to condense a lot of historical facts, Prof. Hanson left out that the Barbarian invasions started with the Goths entering Roman territory as asylum seekers fleeing the Huns, followed by unstoppable hordes through the broken borders of the Empire. A native Italian, I studied the Classics and have remained a student of History all my life. Twenty years ago, living in Europe, I saw the coming disintegration of Western Europe by catastrophic immigration, and moved to the USA as a legal immigrant. I am dismayed to see this Country now hurtling towards its own demise. When Rome fell, centuries of the Dark Ages followed, with most of the population reduced to helpless feudal servitude, ruled by small elites of constantly warring Lords with absolute power. The West is moving towards becoming a neo-feudal society.
I think you are too optimistic to predict a regression to feudalism. Feudalism requires some level of organization. Rather complete chaos, the survivors scavenging in the smoldering ruins while avoiding tribes of cannibals and packs of ravenous dogs. Feudalism would be a treat compared to that.
@@kaoskronostyche9939 neo- feudalism arose from the embers of the cataclysmic fall of the Roman Empire. The scenario you describe did happen, but the people, displaced, helpless and starving, driven by the need to survive, tried to reorganize themselves by placing themselves under the protection of isolated military men, at the price of their freedom, submitting as feudal serfs to their Lords’ absolute power. That is why Europe is dotted with castles in elevated defensive position, the former peasants’ little houses huddled around the castles for quick escape behind the fortifications when the inevitable attacks came from competing Lords. As life became less threatening over the centuries, they built their houses lower down. Many modern European towns and even big cities have expanded around these castles. Just one example: Il Castello Sforzesco in Milano, Italy.
@@Elizabeth-lb2jf Yes and after your lengthy exhale you just proved my point. THere are no principalities or castles to defend. There will be no organization. The bigger you are the harder you fall. If you have not noticed our technological civilization is rather different from Rome (duh).
We can't become neo- feudalist because no one knows how to work steel to make plows and where do you get the anthricite coal to make coke to make steel for example. Who knows how to make a wooden wheels for your medieval carts?.
Your lengthy rant merely shows you have no clue and that the times are actually quite different now.
My take also. I always wonder what life would have been like for a citizen in Brittania after the last legions pulled out to fight on the continent. Or a rural peasant in Gallia Ripensis watching an endless flow of foreigners pass through his lands. Or what an Italian peasant must have lived through during the reign of Odoacer...I guess we'll find out shortly our version of this Salvete.
@@kaoskronostyche9939Could happen that way..Totally preventable if the Democrats weren't so POWER HUNGRY!
Thank you Scot Atlas for this great video
Victor, you are one of the most humble, kind, intelligent, grounded, moral, and well-rounded person that I have ever has the honor to hear speak.
This is how it all ended for Rome. They couldn’t protect their country and borders.
You are exactly right!
We can protect it... but the populous is apathetic!
Yes .. my dad came 1930...from Switzerland...he was 18...never returned...he said Im an American now!!!!
He had to have sponsor... no welfare benefits ... Worked $.50 a day and room and board...police check from Swiss police...medical exam before arrival...the legal way!!!
The Swiss could assimilate in ONE generation. That's NOT true with the people this regime is impoirting today. Look at Europe they too have drank the mulicultural Kool-Aid and destroyed their countries since the 2nd World War.
@@karlheinzvonkroemann2217 💯
INVASION not immigration
Passing the Immigration civilian test is foundation of understanding our great America!
It's called "illegal alien infestation".
We need to put in govt. people that have the good of the country at heart and not some idelogy of their own! We need people in office that will expell people that don't care for country like Soros! The people now in office only care about people with money! We are being flooded with all types of cultures because of stupidity!
OR Illegal Alien Invasion
No borders, no country, no social contract!! That's simple
Thank you Scot Atlas for this great video with the amazing truthful historian VDH. I have his books ! He is brilliant and genuine! Thank you 🙏🏻 to both !
And expected the Americans to learn their language
Particularly Hispanics.
@@Bob-bm3pdonce upon a time it was of pride to an American, now the Democrats have put an end to that. So sad it has come to this.
An interesting thing recently was that protestants & catholics were putting aside their differences in Ireland - over immigration. That's never happened before.
You're so wrong, it's not the 1980s
We are seeing unity across the West as we recognize that what is happening in our nations is simultaneously happening across Western nations... I see this as a positive sign. We have been propagandized for decades to believe that we are somehow 'bad' and 'owe' foreign nationals for various sins of the past (laughable, in Ireland's case). I'd like to believe that we are not insane or stupid enough to give away our pleasant and prosperous societies and allow ourselves to be erased... time will tell.
Im lucky enough to be a 'permanent resident' from the UK. During conversations, It amazes me on how many American citizens don't know how difficult (almost impossible)it is for people from English speaking countries to immigrate to the US ! ie: The UK, Australia, New Zealand and most of western Europe as examples.
… which makes no sense since immigrants from Western countries that have functioning governments can be vetted … and in the case of Anglophone countries, already speak the language. How do you vet an immigrant from Afghanistan (other than those who worked with NATO) or Haiti (maybe baptismal records of Catholics)?
The UK won't take white South Africans even when their persecuted there. The UK regime is yet another one that MUST go before it's too late, if it isn't already.
@@jefferytokarsky1930 It makes perfect sense if you Google Agenda 2030 Migration. It explains how migration is part of the plan to 'uplift' the 3rd world hordes by giving them a soft landing in their new homes (our countries) and simultaneously improve their countries of origin through the remittances they will send home. It glosses over the commensurate drop in living standards in developed nations. In other words, they WANT to bring the 3rd world to the West. They have no interest in bringing other Westerners in. And WE are going to take a hit so THEY can have better lives. Seriously, take 5 minutes and Google it. It's their official website. I'd like to add that no-one voted for this and no-one wants it. I mean, who the h3ll would agree to this?
Its sad. Nothing more to say. I feel sorry for the unborn children of true family tree Americans who will be rarer overtime. Painful to even know who realize this truth. Almost scary listening to VDH.😢
So true, I am saddened for my children as America 🇺🇸 is being overrun by the illegals - their corruption, their gangs that both Democrats and Republicans have allowed to invade our great country. They take -steal what is rightfully for American citizens . Our veterans need help and we are allowing illegals to take and take😮
Can you clarify what a “true American family tree” is, considering our real history? Thanks.
It's almost like you never heard of the native Americans...
As an older American it grieves me so to see America deteriorate so quickly!
@@texasoutlook60 I've noticed it for decades. It's not a new phenomenon. It's the cycles of history. Ebbs and flows. Rise and fall...
I am here for VDH!
Good information, especially about the remittances to Mexico. I always learn when I listen to Dr.Hanson. Thanks to both of you.
Prop 187 VDH. Which was passed by referendum and held up in the courts by ONE judge (for yesrs) until a Grey Davis was elected and his administration refused to pursue the case. That was the end of California. So much for "Democracy"
EXCELLENT
Victor one smart man
Just joined. Thanks. Texas. Good. VDH rocks. Bueno.
Listening to VDH is almost always an enjoyable and informative experience. I always refer to him as “Professore”. If you want the ultimate experience about informing yourself on Muslims, I suggest you view TH-cam videos produced by Pat Condell, a British polemicist.
This has been going on in Florida for the last 40 years when the Cubans and Mexican 🌮 started calling Florida their new home but hung their old county's flag's from their car's 🏠 extra
It's ok, God's chosen non-believers run Florida
Every single multicultural country in world history, without exception, has fallen apart, often in violence. Doing this to our country is the business of an idiotic criminal regime that must go!
@@gmw3083
Correction- they run the whole effing country
@kathy571 I think they're not so influential in fly-over country. But VDH and characters like him ignore their influence everywhere and point the finger at Russia, China, or Islam. Empires Sioux aside themselves. It has always been this way..
@@gmw3083 I agree. There are some things VDH says that show just how much of a real court historian he really is. When I heard his WW2 narrative and his love affair with FDR he lost me. That was a long time ago. He has to worry his reputation in the academic world so he won't ever go off the reservation.
Wow! Thats a good point Victor about the importance of remittances and the gov mandate to vote ONLY democratic.
Great discussion with VDH...one of the finest voices of reason, truth, sanity and common sense in our disintegrating society!
Great interview
Migrants (and refugees) should NOT be confused or renamed incorrectly with immigrants it would seem....
Migrants, refugees, immigrants or whatever name you want to assign to it is not the issue. The difference is between legal vs illegal!
Hi dr Atlas , excellent guest
What a great combo!
Always informative always well thought out and I can easily share❤
I send VDH's interviews, books, commentaries to everyone I know whether they like it or not.
@@stephanies6770
"whether they like it or not" 😂 you go girl 🎉
I don't mean to pick nits, Victor, but there is a distinction between a citizen and a non-citizen when entering the country. As a citizen, I need a passport and am subject to the whims of the Immigration and Naturalization officer who examines my "papers". As a non-citizen at the southern border, I just walk in and am welcomed. I may even be given a mail-in ballot, a cell phone, and some money plus transportation, including by airline. Plus, as a non-citizen, nobody checks my vaccine status, as happened during the Covid fiasco if I wanted to fly within my country. On top of this, I get to pay taxes for my "privileges" while the non-citizen who entered the country illegally does not. In fact, I am paying for him. The Dems say that this is "democracy" and that Trump would end this "democracy". That works for me.
I am old now........... as of 09/11/24 I think we are toast. Sad for all the little grandkids. Mine also. ( but their parents want this commie free stuff !!! and more safety !!!)
I concur however the down fall of America started with the assassination of Kennedy. IMO
Thank you for interviewing Victor.
Thank you.
Thank You for this information I agree with You Completely
Dignifying these groups as a "culture" demeans the very notion of culture
OMG! This is so interesting
Rome. The captured masses forced to serve in the military rebeled
There are more of us than there are of them. The sooner we (majority) realize this the better.
Could listen to this chap for hours, brilliant man.
Except So Much To Unpack. Thanks ☺️
The majority of the immigrants of the past were Europeans. It was easier to assimilate. Not now. People are distinctly different and they won’t assimilate.
Europeans build European-type societies. Non-Europeans don't. Or can't. It's simple. But we can't talk about it. We are being erased and replaced, quietly.
Awake Americans protect America from the enemies of the American traditions of hard work and sacrifice and earning the American dream
When your ancestors immigrated "legally", there were basically no laws against immigration at all.
Our national hero VDH 🙏
Sure is expensive to do to assymilate so many in US. Actually impossible with the debt reaching danger territitory at 34 trillion or so where the interest is more than military security expenditures. And the spending is just to retain votes and power and greed of lobbyist share holders. Never mind the vets and elderly that don't understand the digital internet. Nor the newborn and kids going to Disney land learning Adult issues to state politely. 😮
Shoulda gave kids video games instead of family guy 😂😂…. (Video games is like Lego building and stimulates mind, it can be Minecraft, COD, Roblox)…. But just consuming is what has lead to GDP per captia rising for some and not for others
Taking Immigration to the extreme. 😢
I was an immigrant accompanying my parents. Legally. At that time they needed a sort of moral and financial tutor, and they signed us boys up to go through the American military and that was why they and us left because of Vietnam! So no one ever asked us to be American. I regret that! And suppose I’m more American than 50% of your citizens because I thought I was ….
NOT TREATING THE ROOT OFF THE PROBLEM!! WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY FROM THE PLACE THEY ARE BORN!!
That issue is the illegal immigrant problem ..not America!!!!!
I am Catholic, and currently our Pope is not. That is the question I want to pose to him. He seems to be a fan of immigration from the 3rd world to the West and ignores the cultures that suffer the governments that immigrants flee.
Because certain groups build pleasant and prosperous societies and certain groups don't and that's the truth, although it is politically incorrect. If you sent the population of Japan to the Congo and sent the population of the Congo to Japan and checked in in 50 years, what would you find? If you cleared all the Haitians out of Haiti and sent in the Germans, it would be paradise in short order. Neat towns, tropical schnitzel restaurants, immaculate beaches.
Good show...Thanks!
Native Americans..... Welcome to our world.
Don't forget that we began as a nation of Englishmen...
What a tired position! You conveniently leave out that we had a couple of shared goals! Enough shared goals that we were willing to fight and die for.
Excellent
I am reminded when Ginsberg was being vetted by Congress for a position on the Supreme Court she was asked, "Are you American first or Jewish first." So, how long has internationalism been around? What exactly is anti-semitism?
Eisenhower Era Economics
VS
Welfare Imperialism
The Scots will cheer on any country that plays against England in any sport whatsoever :). This, however, seems to be a greater & more challenging difference.
And we're still told not to mention, or even notice that the rates for violent crime is rising exponentially. Both the US and UK. Keep looking the other way, nothing to see here. Multiculturalism is our strength, so says the UK and European governments, so it MUST be true.
This country has always been sort of a mosaic. There have always been little Italys, China towns, etc. but we used to be able to agree on being American. I feel that is now lost. My mother wasn’t born here but she and her parts and siblings were proud to be Americans. This current round of immigration, not so much.
The biggest difference has been welfare … and even then, we drastically limited immigration from the 20s to the 60s because we were overwhelmed by unassimilated immigrants.
NAFTA the free flow of labor, you got it yet... 30 million since 1999
I'm a southerner by birth , educated in two universities, traveled the world thanks to the US Navy, living 20+ years in Chicago, and married to a Chinese. What just hit me is that this clash of culture is in the big cities, and barely exists in small cities. In small towns, the absolute number of immigrants is quite low, as most prefer to go to major cities, where more of their own people already live. We really do need to control the influx, as the small cities have proven the conflict is more quickly over. ( Hometown Chattanooga being my example.) Voting and social welfare programs are considered "normal careers of local government employees, who are not nearly so openly corrupt as huge city governments (fact). Financial control is much easier in local government.
It only takes a few key cities to influence elections significantly....
That's why we have the electoral college.
True
No background music - PLEASE
The US is now becoming Milton’s “Paradise Lost”.
It’s always a challenge to keep the land of unselfish opportunity from becoming the land of selfish opportunists.
Make all countries great!
My sub-contractor was illegal from Mexico, his grandparents were from Greece to Mexico. The richest man in Mexico is Lebanese. The new president of Mexico, my cousin Claudia, is descended from Lithuanian Jews.
Stand with Trump!
The dying Citizen
Judaism calls for integrating into the host country except for religious observance.
I've watched dozens of the Victor Davis Hanson interviews and I never heard him even once mention the effect of radical feminism upon our politics and society. Why not?
That’s not what he studies. Others speak of that.
Jordan Peterson speaks quite well on this subject
I’m a woman and I find radical feminism tiresome at best and undermining our society at worst.
The rise of critical theory and political action (including feminism...of whatever kind) across all "intersectionalities" (sorry) is the outcome of a rethinking of Marxism after the obvious failure of the Soviet Union to deliver a socialist utopia. This led to a rethinking of Marxism and the development of for example Eurocommunism and new political strategies. Essentially the Left, with the exception of the very far Left, abandoned the idea of revolution. Concentrating on only one part of this political development ( eg feminism as a standalone phenomenon) misses the point. Regarding a comment below, Peterson interviewed some guy who admits he knows little about cultural Marxism and both of them were not making the connection between abovementioned international developments and these two guys' fragmented view of how and why said cultural Marxism took over the academy. Focussing on one element eg "feminism" is an emotional response, not an intellectual one
@@user-bf3pc2qd9s True, but feminism has had the biggest effect because woman are half the population and has gotten little attention until recently … when women began complaining of the mess they championed.
Sooo with no southern border…that means technically we the USA has lost a sense of being a country.
I'm moving to Pacific Heights...close to Nancy. The Mission ain't what it used to be!
Eisenhower Era Economics
Equals
Gold Standard Creditor Nation
Dewine awarded WHO $29,000,000 so that they could buy and refurbish vacant houses in order to rent them out to the immigrants at a unfairly high price. This raises property taxes for everyone else. To get this $29,000,000 they took away senior house tax credits. They took all of our senior house tax credits in Cleveland already…
How tf is that fair? Also these people are getting slaved away by being placed in minimum wage jobs with high house rent.
That’s the ugly truth. Dewine has a lot of explaining to do! He’s in hot water I assure you. Watch out for this in every city. Watch the tax credit system. Watch for tax cuts. Watch for property tax increase. Seriously.
The second I hear racism being spit is the second I follow the money.
If Ohio had the stones we should bind together and file a class action lawsuit against Dewine for at least defamation of character if not crimes against humanity or treason.
The rock musician's lyric's have been predicting the future through their music since were born. But their prediction's take time to take place. Unfortunately, their also hard to recognize.
I think economic migrants who despise US values completely fail to understand the nature of wealth. They think the US is rich by abundant natural resources. It does have advantages but that is not the crucial factor. The crucial factor is the social & legal compact between the citizens, the rule of law, free speech, property rights, accountability of elected officials. That allows innovation (and the right not to have that stolen by more powerful entities) which is the great economic multiplier. If they import the ideals of the society they want to escape from, and the US lets them do it, they will inevitably recreate the failed state they ran away from. Then all that wealth will drain away.
The Swedes were terribly naive, since they lack religious foundation with, therefore, no moral bulwark against Muslim zealotry.
Rock On/ Cause & Effect of bad decisions against American Citizens in our own USA & resulting serious culture & law & order clashes from their allowed invasion into our USA which can destroy it if allowed ?
Migration is a result of bad rule of countries by multinational corporations, making homes unlivable.
Definition of a banana republic:
A banana republic is a derogatory term used to describe a politically unstable country with an economy that is heavily dependent on the export of a single product or resource, such as bananas or minerals12. These countries often have significant foreign influence and control over their economy, typically by foreign-owned companies or industries2. The term was first coined by American writer O. Henry in 1904.
“Today, the statistics are good. They reveal that 50 percent of the world’s wealth is in the hands of US-based corporations, even though the national account, GDP, is not anywhere near that.”
Chomsky, Noam; Waterstone, Marv. Consequences of Capitalism: Manufacturing Discontent and Resistance (p. 138).
turn off the background music!
Islam vs the west ffs
I wish Scott would stop interrupting.
Play song by Shanahan little darling
ChAUvinism is not pronounced like shAmanism. It's with an O as in boat. So: ChOAvinism. I was really confused, thought he was using a word I never heard before, but I can't find the meaning of 'chavinism' anywhere.
VOTE TRUMP!❤🎉
SAVE AMERICA 🇺🇸
The rock star's predict all of these thing's. They sing about "when world's collide."
Howell Forks
felt like i was listening to FOX news.
You have a major problem already. Just reducing new additions isn't good enough.
Muller Brooks
The rise of poopacker
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The world is so homogeneous today, I call BS. Global urban culture of work, sleep, shopping and entertainment erased the bulk of differences between cultures. People need to dig in minute differences to find any difference at all. I never thought that I was immigrating to a North Korea/Russia wannabe though.
To say what you have shows you haven't been around the world. More in western societies, yes. But in other places, not so much. The more primitive, much more likely to worship devil or death cults. India, southern islands, Africa. Do some research.
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Bedowin,sea people ,uh, Atlantis maybe ? no real countries, like Canada, United States, Great Britain.
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Atlas, you blather. Get it out and let the man speak.
Agree
No borders:
“In a libertarian society, there is no commons or public space. There are property lines, not borders. When it comes to real property and physical movement across such real property, there are owners, guests, licensees, business invitees, and trespassers - not legal and illegal immigrants.”
~ Jeff Deist, president of the Mises Institute
David Koch may’ve lost in 1980 when he ran as VP on the libertarian ticket, but his platform didn’t. Granting capitalists unchecked power over these past 50 years is why everything has become so perilously out of kilter. Project 2025 is a declaration to hold the course, no matter how fascist neoliberalism has become.
Article: How David Koch’s 1980 Fantasy Became America’s Current Reality
The western empire created third world violent, uncivilized countries via economic sanctions and policies, on purpose:
"The US is an irresponsible empire. It devastates countries (including the US) and leaves them in shambles, with no compensation. Its actions are increasingly destructive because the purpose is not in reality to build an empire, but to destroy real or potential rivals (Wolfowitz Doctrine) and so maintain the position of superiority gained in WW2."
~Diana Johnstone
Imagination is funny...... PROZAC
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VDH , a right wing bigot.