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The T-34 is a tank of many myths, and many legends, and the tank enthusiast community loves a good legend. A legend which has recently taken quite a harsh beating. And it’s so confusing to be caught in the middle of it all.
Today, I’m not going to look at the T-34 as a finished product or talk about its later history of improvements and fixes. I won’t go into what made the T-34 so great, or so terrible like everyone else. Instead, I want to look at the early development of the T-34. The promises made, the struggles behind the steel. And hopefully along the way, I can show you that maybe there isn’t a reason to flat out hate the T-34. Maybe, just maybe, there was something good here. So let’s talk about the T-34, and what exactly makes it what I have called… A Utopian Tank.
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Sources:
Follow along with my claims in the video:
[1] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 11
[2] t34inform.ru/doc/1937-06-21_N...
[3] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 12
[4] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 13
[5] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 17
[6] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 23
[7] www.tankarchives.ca/2015/08/a...
[8] en.topwar.ru/30871-albom-foto...
[9] www.tankarchives.ca/2019/08/v...
[10] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 38
[11] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 39
[12] www.tankarchives.ca/2019/03/h...
[13] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 51
[14] t34inform.ru/doc/1940-03-12_A...
[15] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 56 & 57
[16] Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov pg. 67
Other sources I used to build this video and its story:
- Designing the T-34 by Peter Samsonov
- T-34/76 Medium Tank 1941-45 by Steven Zaloga
- Tank Chats #68 T-34 | Tank Museum
- 5 things people don't understand about the T-34
- The T-34 is not as good as you think it is
- / the_t34_is_not_as_bad_...
- Peter Samsonov book Q&A - • Designing the T-34 Q&A
- Soviet Production - • Kursk: The Epic Armore...
- www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1...
- www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1...
- www.team-yankee.com/hobby.asp...
- balagan.info/vehicles-of-the-...
- www.landships.info/landships/t...
- t34inform.ru/doc/1937-06-21_N...
- laststandonzombieisland.com/2...
- en.topwar.ru/30871-albom-foto...
- lombardystudios.com/wp-conten...
0:00 Intro
6:24 Chapter 1 - "Something Old, Something New"
17:24 Chapter 2 - "The Enemy Of Perfection"
25:28 Chapter 3 - "Good Enough"
32:59 Chapter 4 - "Why We Can't Have Nice Tanks"
37:19 Outro & Credits - บันเทิง
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T-34 video when???!?!
@@eta320 so dude are you going to make a gun enthusiast Channel as well or is it all going to be on just one channel
Hey men nice video could you make a video about the ariete modern tanks of Italy
@@eta320Hey eta, I recommend you to play the game name (kards). It is very good. It have historical art that is top notch.
I’m pretty sure the Average was around 6 months but in combat only 23 or 24 hours
I just think that the t34 specifically was not fun for the crews and one of the least user friendly tanks. Being cramped made it hard for them to move around in the tank itself. This made it so the tank was less effective than what it could have been. The tank itself did it’s job well enough, but the crews inside probably didn’t feel well when manning it. People often forget that there are humans driving these things. They have their own needs.
I imagine being cramped and uncomfortable is far less bad than having an increased chance of eating an AP shell with your face
@@lapantonydid you meet the tiger?
@@antoniothegunexpert5955 The fat bastard requiring as much raw material as a squadron of T-34s and being far too complex for its own good while also relying completely on sheer thickness of armor due to it being unsloped ? Yeah what of it ?
@@antoniothegunexpert5955 the better question is; did the tiger make it to meet the other tank crews
@@spaffyjimble2317The better-er question would be how long until something else kills you anyway.
T-34s suffered horrendous loss rates. 57.3k were built during WWII and around 44.9k were destroyed in the same time frame. T-34 production continued years after the war to make up for those losses. And while certainly the German tanks had a similarly thorough fraction of loss, Shermans lost during WWII made up ~1/7th of total production, and that's including all non-critical losses which had little or no crew casualties (mine hits, Panzerfausts, damage confined to the fuel tanks, etc). Losses being low enough that the US could afford to stop production of Shermans a year before war's end. Shermans were also woefully inadequate to fight the new German tanks and yet they came nowhere close to the horrible attrition rates seen on the Eastern Front.
I feel one of the problems the internet has when looking at history is that they are more eager to point and laugh at failure instead of understanding the background and context behind it to get a more wholistic understanding. Especially in regards to things related to politically controversial countries like the Soviet Union it is tempting and in some cases actually feels better to brush them off problems with things they created as a result of incompetence. This kind of contextual analysis is quite refreshing to see.
i understand the context, soviets needing as many tanks as possible... still makes it a shit tank and inferior to the Sherman.
Yeah but the US wasn’t directly bombed genocided and raped on their homeland
@@PeterMuskrat6968shit, the US produced 49,000 by the end of ww2. for a 10x better and more expensive tank, that’s a lot.
@@PeterMuskrat6968funny. The Red Army tank crews often said that a Sherman is a tank good for peace time service but is not so good suited for an all out war.
@@PeterMuskrat6968 were sherman factories being bombed? did they need to relocate? were their workers being sent to the front line to defend against an invasion? all in the span of 2 years? yeah right i thought as much.
Whenever people want to bash ("insert tank name here"), they always mention:
1) underpowered (because all tanks have to go at least as fast as a sportscar, if not faster)
2) unreliable (because no army ever in human history employed any servicemen for their equipment)
3) early production problems (because unless a tank is perfect from the get-go, its an absolute piece of crap)
The worst part its when you face them with facts and logic, and they just answer "ThAt JuSt PrOpAgAnDa"
Don't forget "production issues", because apparently your country's industry getting bombed into non existence is clearly the fault of the tank's design.
This video was enlightening...and left me wanting a "Slightly confusing guide to the T-34"
Yes please
Like it or not, the T34 is a perfect case study on how external, seemingly non related issues, can directly effect tank design. It's one of the perfect examples of why you can't judge something in a vacuum. Every possible factor must be included in order truly understand what the finished product will be. In this case, it was a mediocre stopgap where a true workhorse could be found.
Sometimes people forget the timescale in which the T-34 existed in, the M3 Lee barely entered production when the war started, the M4 Sherman prototype isn't completed until Barbarosa is well underway, the British were still floundering with cruiser tanks and the French failed rather spectacularly the year prior. In an alternate history where the Soviet Union and Ameria switched place geographically, armchair historians would have lambasted the M3 Lee for being desperate death traps and praised the T-34M for being war winning tanks.
An alternate history with America having Russia's politics and Russia having America's in the 1940s might be interesting in general.
Best comment ever.
What? No lol, people still think the M3 was trash. It was simply good enough, like the T-34
@@smoraptor No one here said that M3 is trash, but in fair its desigh started in second half of 1940 and it was just a stopgap before M4 was ready.
The us purposely took their time with development, if they were in the soviets shoes, the sherman would have been out earlier
I can safely say after doing my research (watching Potential History's video then years later Lazer Pig's Video and then a few months later this video) extensively and conclusively find that, the T-34 was one of the tank's of all time
Eta T-34 video vs laserpig T-34 video
Which will the internet use as its new main source ???
Hopefully
Hopefully this one.
It seems lazerpig is finally getting the deserved beatings anyway for blindly reading reddit posts and copying wholesale unproven articles.
Neither contradict each other just have different perspectives on how a tank should be judged
Everyone has their biases like it or not that is true.
Humans are hard wired to leech from the first thing they hear and just right make shit up,
realy all it is that matters is that people cite their sources and both lazerpig and eta320 do!
And the criticism of "lazerpig leech of reddit" is concerning and dishonest on lazerpigs side (HOWEVER I believe everyone has the reight to an opinion and i am stating mine)
TLDR: monke brain dumb and do be a leech and no-one is immune from that sack of salty jello
Also please criticize me! (in a presice and honorable way)
People tend to forget that there was no unequivocally good tank in the war.
T-34? Mired with design shortcomings, head to toe, all due to either not being able to fix the issues in time before a significant emotional event or due to absolutely INSANE cost cutting that took place. Still, a tank that did its job beyond what was asked of it.
Panzers, Panthers, Tigers? Excellent on paper, ruined by seemingly complete inability to standardize production and zero willingness to cut corners. Bespoke parts, enormously complicated assemblies, oversized internal compartments even by US standards and later on absolute lack of quality control. Tanks that could theoretically whoop everyone's ass ended up being finicky hangar queens in reality.
Sherman? An excellent tank. Also a gigantic barn, equally mired in issues, which, while eventually mostly resolved, managed to run into a completely different wall of the crews themselves almost violently resisting to give up their tanks to get those issues solved. To the point where engineering teams were dispatched to basically put unupgraded tanks up on bricks and fix them in the dead of night. "Death traps" might be a crappy book, but even it has multiple kernels of truth in it.
It's all about the perspective you take.
Unless it's the Valiant.
Let's just forget that one happened.
I have you say, you hit the nail on the head with that comment. No Tank was perfect, only good at certain things.
Poor valiant.
The Valiant wasn't even good at being bad. But it wore its name proudly, as you truly have to be valiant to drive out into the battlefield inside that thing
I disagree. The Sherman was perfect. My source? It was revealed to me in a dream
Honestly, it is legitimately the only tank I'd ever want to serve in from that era apart from the Pershing purely because it's one of the ones I'd most likely survive serving in.
@@roanferguson8873 Keep in mind that the Shermans you're referring to, the ones with the large, spring loaded hatches, wouldn't come out until late '43. Early Shermans and early T-34s were rather similar. The difference was the US could afford to make better tanks 6 months down the line, while the Soviets couldn't.
I knew he was going to do the t34 eventually
I didn't realize that most of the issues had been identified and had been fixed in the design of the T-34M. I hadn't realized that the T-34M was slated to be a much more technically advanced tanks with features such as a stabilizer. That alone changed my view of the T-34.
This is a well done vid Eta. I never looked into the history of T-34 personally, so this helps me understand what the Soviets were thinking for their tank fleet. It could've been a good tank, with all those upgrades that were suggested. I do wonder how it would've fared against the Pz 3's and 4s that it faced in the early part of the war.
Though one thing might've still plagued it: the heat treating of the armoured chassis
Well the T-34 did face a lot Pz 3's, and it did not go very well for the T-34 xD
> It could've been a good tank
It was a good tank. It fulfilled what was needed of it.
@@ASlickNamedPimpback Killing its crews and getting its shit pushed in for 2 years?
@@blackmesa232323 if you think it was "getting its shit pushed in for 2 years" you need a reality check
@ASlickNamedPimpback Just because I can cut a lawn with a pair of scissors, doesn't mean that it's a good lawnmower. The T34 regularly got destroyed by the Panzer 3, was an awful design, and the USSR killed many of its own tankers with it.
I feel like there is this... cultural (?) rivalry between the T-34 and the Sherman tank. And while the Sherman tank's reputation has been under review and seen improvement, the pendulum of public opinion has now swung in the opposite direction, to reduce the reputation of the T-34. In reality, it's not really fair to compare the 2 tanks, as the history and context of both vehicles is more nuanced. Both should be considered in separate vacuums. The T-34 was a good tank for the USSR. And it's history and development was fascinating
People forget that the Soviets were fighting a war of survival while the Americans were fighting, for all intents and purposes, an intervention. Americans could afford to make a better tank 6 months from now, while the Soviets couldn't. It's as simple as that.
Could you do a similiar video on the KV tank series? Going from the early T-100 and SMK in finland to the Kv220, KV13 and various paper designs
Bureaucracy, the death of all good intentions and ideas. I think the T-34 as it exists only exists because of the events and circumstances which occurred during its development. If anything had changed, then the design as we know it might not and probably would not exist.
As a note aside, the biggest thing to keep in mind is that during the interwar years everyone and I mean everyone was working off of theories and ideas that stemmed from some other field (tractors, trains, boats, etc.) the only reason the M4 Sherman was any good is because it was a design made well into the war (1941-1943), at that point people knew what works in a tank pretty well at this point. As such, The British were working on designing what would become the Cromwell, the US was finishing what can be generously called a major overhaul of the M3 Lee in the form of the M4 (being that the they shared a suspension, engine and cannon), and Germany was starting to producing the Pz. IV with the long 75mm cannons. Everyone had generally centered around the same tank for a general purpose tank, medium class, 75mm cannon, and a crew of 5. The exceptions (in the major nations) being Japan, Italy and Soviet Russia. All three were plagued with some sort of major economic deficiency which could not be sorted out in time before they got dragged into or were instigating the war.
It was designed in 1940 lmao, based off the french s.35.
People always compare the T-34 unfavorably to the M4 sherman... which is absolutely insane when you think of the time frame that it was actually made in, it's a 1939 tank that was the one and only decent tank that the soviets actually had and was already set to produce, while M4 sherman is closer to that of a 1942 tank, which may not sound like a big difference, but it makes ALL the difference in the world, as that essentially means that the ACTUAL counterpart to the T-34... is not even the M3 Lee, it's the M2 Medium, let that really sink in to understand how 'old' the T-34 design actually was, it was effectively a prototype that was forced into mass production simply because they did not have time to develop and finalize it.
16:28 you know it is honestly probably a good thing that they just swapped engines because in the t34 right under the engine there is a oil line that runs to giant oil tanks next to the fuel tanks in the sponsons into the engine under where the oil pan would be which provides the engine with oil and it had a chance to break as all lines do and the tank would be completely innoperable because if this line broke it would drain the engine of oil and you cant fix it without removing the giant armor plates on the back then pulling the engine. A TH-cam channel called "Mr Hewes" who restores tanks was doing a t34 restoration and foud this exact same issue.
The T-34 definitely has its shortcomings, but there are far more tanks that look better on paper than in the field like the panther. And yes the start of the T-34 was bad with lots of issues but by the time the T-34-85 was being pushed out the reliability problems had be solved and the problems that might happen could be done in the field unlike again comparing to German tank that would have to be shipped back to the factories to be fixed It wasn’t a bad tank.
I really enjoyed your new perspective on a video about the T-34, instead of good/bad you just discussed what occurred during it's upbringing and allowed us to interpret how these factors *could've* effected its early production quality. Love your videos and this is definitely the most sophisticated and highest quality I've seen from you, good work :]!
What people tend to forget about the Soviet tank production of the second world war was that they moved entire factories while under perpetual bombing missions to very far provinces and had to come up with changes and improvements WHILE shipping them across the Urals, they even intended on using the 85mm turrets much earlier but lacked the equipment to produce them thanks to all this and when the T-34/85 reared it's head for Operation Bagration the Soviet design bureaus had the time and space to start finally coming up with entirelly new tanks.
A very interesting documentary and a very well made documentary.
I think that if the bureaucracy and parts shortages and labour shortages hadn't been an issue, the T-34 could've been a lot better than it turned out. But on the fundamental level of what a tank is for, the T-34 does the job. The Soviets made so many that the Germans couldn't deal with with the number of tanks they were facing. It was a mass produced tank, almost disposable because of how many were built, and it was still an alright tank.
You only have to look into the German reaction to facing the T-34 to understand its impact. Tactics and training were the only things separating victory and defeat even in those early days of Barbarossa. The T-34s were sent into battle with inoperable radios and no training, led by men who did not understand even the most basic concepts of mobile warfare. But even so the Wehrmacht went into a panic. Armament on their Main Battle Tank, Panzer III, were a mix of 37 and 50 mm variants, whose shells bounced off the 34s sloped armor. The Panzer IV was used as an infantry support with a short barreled 75mm that had minimal anti-armor capability. Production for any armor that could be sent to the front sporting a long barrel 75mm anti-tank weapon had to be done yesterday. The Germans understood the real power of the T-34.
though the t34 did fight at the start of operation barbarossa but the logistics did not exist just then and the quality was absolute bungers
Careful there. Or you might disturb the same hornet nest that Lazerpig did... though I guess it a fast road to fame.
The important part that people often forget when talking about T-34/76 is that they should always mention 1)Valentine with QF 75 which was infamous for bad conditions in the turret and how it influenced rate of fire among other things; 2)KV-1 which shared critical component base with T-34 and even used the same components such as engine, gun, sights, radio and several others, which were production bottlenecks and main driving costs behind the actual production; 3)BT-7, BT-7A, Cromwell and Comet. The latter sharing the dubious honor of being the last tank that ever used Christie suspension with T-34-85, both of which were in fact forced to inherit it due to production needs. After that soviets haven't touched Christie suspension with a 5 meter stick.
All 3 together help to highlight that T-34 isn't great, isn't cheap and isn't either fast or reliable and that it isn't just "western propaganda", that's engineering reality that soviets themselves were aware of.
Want good T-34? Switch to torsion bars, mount KV-1 turret on top, move away from angled side armor that isn't worth production and ergonomic trouble. Here, you have "T-34" that can serve even in 1945+ without trouble and all that possible back in 1940. You can even mount 85mm in it without much trouble as KV-1S had KV-1G variant that was armed with 85mm without IS-1 turret of usual KV-85.
Basically a Sherman Jumbo?
@@arandomfallschirmjagerdude9141 Or the T-44 which they started building in small numbers in 1945.
@@TheLastSterling1304 that one is closer, but I'm divided on removing bow gunner and replacing him with ammo. He's not needed as radio operator as with KV-1 turret commander can do that job, but before the advent of rocket launchers, extra pair of eyes armed with machinegun IS an effective way to defend the tank. However it might save some weight... but then again, then we're basically reinventing first iteration of KV-13.
@@arandomfallschirmjagerdude9141 I have no idea why you're of such low opinion about Jumbo...
@@TheArklyte I mean literally the T-44 is everything you described. Torsion bar suspension, non-sloped side armor, and 85mm gun. In fact the design would further improve a few years later as the T-54/T-55 with 100mm gun.
Amazing video. I feel the same treatment needs to be given to the Tiger, as it gets so much hate but if you look at it’s upbringing and it’s results, it not that bad of a tank! I plan on making a video of it on my actual “Galactic Threat” channel where I previously did Zelda content, but hey history is my real passion
Unfortunately, nobody tells story how much M. Koshkin wanted to abandon BT-9 development which is was supposed to be all wheel drive, and many other things that took away power from building fully tracked “Universal” tank as M.Koshkin envisioned it, following by T-34M.
- There are the other side of the coin to this story, If 183 design team focused on perfecting T-34M tank and implementing it into production line, which would only be possible at early 1942, then Red Army would only have T-26 and BT tank, backed by ~1000 KV tanks, which could NOT be produced as quick as T-34 tank, so Guderian would not have to turn South after battle of Smolensk, and drive strait to Moscow, instead of 800 km to help close Kiev pocket(where most T-34 tanks were stationed), then Moscow would fall, and the rest of country folded as described in “Plan Barbarossa”.
- After all, it is T-34 tank Germans feared the most, because it was fast and maneuverable, not KV tank as many believe, and it’s because of T-34 under М. Katukov, H. Guderian was stopped near Moscow, and it was a battle of Mtchensk and T-34 Guderian formed “panzer committee” from which Panther(Pz-V) came out, and delayed battle of Kursk, by giving valuable couple of month to Red Army to build impregnable fortifications over which operations “Citadel” completely failed, and T-34 played a key role in defeating SS in the battle of Prohkorovka.
This definitely gave me a new perspective on the T-34
Awesome video! Its very nice to see how well this channel has come along!
Amazing video! A great amount of research and effort truly went into this, surprised you only have 20k subs but I can tell that will significantly grow if you keep this up!
man I've been so eager for this video, and that intro is cliche yet so entertaining. keep it it my man, i binge your videos all the time
I should finish watching 4 tankers and a dog. All 21 episodes are on TH-cam for free. Time to start season 2 after this video lol.
Im from Russia, and we all know history of T-34 in one way or another. And its most brilliant history of T-34 that i heard in my life. Thank you.
Absolutley brilliant.
An excellent job on this video. The editing and production quality was fantastic.
69 minutes. Nice
Yoooooo
Finally a video that made justice and fair criticism of the tank and its life, unlike lazerpig video.
LP is a braindead bot lmao
I feel Lazerpigs vid was a well reasoned critique of it. His vid was mainly targeted towards those that put the T-34 on a pedestal above all others. Every tank has it's positives and negatives; it's just between the M4, the Pz 4 and the T-34, the T-34 has more negatives than positives
@@danmorris8714as one other TH-camr said, it is the best tank *for russia at the time*. Yes it was not perfect. But more expensive tanks were not needed. They needed a lot of good enough tanks that could stop small calibre AT guns, support infantry on the defense and it worked, not the best in stats but the best in the situation. Give the soviets the M-4 designs to mass produce and they would lose due to costs/machinery needed
@@danmorris8714 Lazerpig video had good points not saying they where bad, but some points likes when he said about tank crews not the cramp turret. But mainly on the tanks crews themself I felt it was very dishonet. Also Why I don't like Lazerpig its becuase of T-14 Armata video where he lied and made shit up about the T-14 if you see RedEffects you will understand, he is very biased and looking back on his vídeos about T-34 and Panther there are many points that he made up or he ignored. I belive the T-34 wasn't at first but along his life it was beaing emproved just look at T-44 heavly inspired on the T-34 model but improved. The T-34 is the hardstone for soviet tank engineering the same way the sherman was for the US. I like Potential history points about the T-34 more them lazerpig.
@@luizviniciusvieiraalexandr4979 Lazerpig wasn't "biased" regarding the T-14. He just rightly has no reason to believe Russia's claims.
I always love your video intros! Good job outdoing your self once again!
I absolutely love when you post, you are my current favourite channel
Oh Boi is this going to get some people mad 😂
There's just something surreal about you watching videos from Lazerpig, Chieftain and The Rank Museum in your opening bit and TH-cam suggesting all those videos to me in the recommendations on this video
Absolutely amazing video! Im amased on how much detail and research you put into your videos!
When are you planning on doing the IS 7 video?
eo?
Great vid!
Very informative and fun to watch!
First. This comment is gaslighting you into thinking it's the first comment. Ignore the timestamp, thats just Big Time lying to you, trying to keep the little guy down.
I am not gaslighting you are just over reacting !!!!!!!1!
I was about to go to bed...and then, just like the Kool-aid man crashing through my front door yelling YEAH, a Great upload from Eta! Nice work mate!
What a great video man, so damn original love the final statement, good video not, excellent one! what a good way of teaching history with good sense of humor and professional quality! Keep doing it man! Stay safe.
Eta this was an absolutely amazing video,very well done.You are definitely coming up as one of the best tank-related channels on TH-cam!
I am also gonna go touch grass now👍
7:38 a goose takes a shit in the backround
Futurama reference my beloved
Can we all just agree that lazerpig is hilarious...
ly bad at research
Yooo I was standing right there for a picture at tredegar
11:15 the make it in sprocket made me laugh
Screw glued model kits. Cobi might not look super accurate but it's way more fun to build, they can move and the brick build look gives them their own unique charm + you can modify them a lot more or even build an entirely different tank.
Just found this channel. This is an awesome vid!
Huge and welcomed step up in content. I loved this video!
Gday eta320 can you possibly make a video about the plethora of problems with the Tiger 2 and Panther
I felt a disturbance in the force, then I found the source: Eta uploaded a documentary
I would actually like a sort of trilogy of videos on the T-34. You covered the beginning, you could cover the middle (war Time) and end* (Post war) production history
IMHO the T-34 is the perfect example of why you can't use spreadsheets and video games to determine what tank is best. All of its numbers are amazing compared to its contemporaries, but the issues with ergonomics and communication and whathaveyou ensured it could never take full advantage
Also from what I remember most of main tank weaponry were either high velocity low calibre guns, or high calibre low velocity guns, designed to shoot either at armor or soft targets specifically. T-34's 76mm at the time of its production could do both, and as we can see eventually all tank designa moved towards multi-purpose cannons
As my history teacher once said: "[The T-34] was slightly better shit, made out of absolute shit. I would call that 100% efficient, maybe effective, but definitely a good attempt."
yeah, i can accept this tak. The problems i have with the t-34 coming from literally not having time to make new tooling for the upgrades, so out the partially finished prototypes they go.
Good video! Hope they finally move radio into the hull 🙏
After the thermodynamics update in sprocket, I think it would be cool for you to try to make these improvements that never went into production for the t34
OMG HI ETA320 THANKS FOR ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO!!!!!
Its crazy that since the war in Ukraine started Russian tanks just all of a sudden became shit. When talking about the T-55 with a friend they told me that it was a horrible tank that could never stand up to other nato designs. And while many Russian tanks have many issues people also seem to forget the western failures and just focus on russian design bad
This was an awesome video! Perfect timing as I've recently became obsessed with the eastern front! This really makes me look at the tank in a new light!
Ahhhh, bildung cobi tank and airplane models will allways be a guilty pleasure of mine😊
Well done bro! Nice work!
UPD Kiping up braking the myths and propaganda
Nicely done!
I love logistics and ingenering history. More than the battle
Noo! The T-34 too cramped, not enough armor!
Haha, T-34 go zoom
T34 was a good tank, not a god tank but definitely a good one
Great vid love the content
Starting of with dead space 2 music is a great first impression
Imagine if the United States Develop the T-34.
Away from constant threat and has the Quality machining and not forced to be mass produced.
If it was a war for survival, we wouldn't even question quality, during the Civil War, every old man, boys or disabled are drafted into war, we don't have lines of perfectly fine young strong men, if you can pick up a gun, you are qualified.
War is waged by the rich, fought by the poor. Is a fool of us to join stupid wars unless is about the survival of our nation.
I love the Video Eta, thanks for putting all your hard work and time into it. I hope you have a great day Sherman Jesus.
I hate the argument, "It was great because they were able to half ass things and make 50,000 of them and it didn't matter if they had a 2 week life span and an 80% crew fatality rate" How many more M4s could the Americans have produced if they adopted the same production mentality as the Soviets?
I do believe the T34 has some merit to it as evidenced that you can find videos of T34s fighting within the last few years in Yemen.
My expanded thought into why I dislike this argument is by the same logic the Mosin Nagant was best infantry rifle of the war due to being able to make millions of them for dirt cheap and the STG 44 was trash because the Germans weren't able to make millions of them and they lost.
The 80% crew fatality rate is cherry-picked data from a single study during the Korean War. iirc the real rate was around 15-30%, which is still subpar but very, very different from 80%.
@russman3787 Do you have a source for that from being that Korean War? I would have assumed Korean War T34s would have had the best stats of the T34s with them being all late production T34-85s. I've never actually seen the 80% number on an official paper, just heard the number spouted off on the internet and always assumed it was a stat from T34-76s.
@@calebdean2440 I assume you got it from lazerpig (or one of his viewers), right? Somebody dug into his sources and found that that specific statistic is from a study with a sample size of around 30-40 tanks (so, not significant). Elsewhere in Korea they did perform better than their ww2 counterparts.
The T-34 was outstanding in mobility, protection and firepower. But where it really shone was in numbers produced, the 4th and perhaps the most important characteristic.
Good video
Very good video, well researched. It explains some of the difficulties in conceiving,designingproducing,and testing a tank. The Soviets did a good job while working within their system of government.
the ending made me cry fr
7:39 the duck takes a shit
Worth the wait 11/10
Holy crap a nuanced and informed video essay on the T-34 that didn't suck, thank you.
36:32 that's not quite correct. They were assembled in USSR on spot, while the main manufacturing process took place abroad, in Germany and, probably, Switzerland. Soviet industry had quite a lengthy path to cover, considering that industrial revolution there took place about one-two generations later than in the rest of Europe and even so until 1920s large share of the industry did screwdriver assembly instead of full cycle manufacturing process. Hell, in the most distant wilderness cap and ball hunting guns were phased out of civilian use only by the 50s.
The initial devate on future capabilities of upgraded/new tanks seems kinda similar to current potential future M1/M2/3 designs xd
Yeah this is a cool video and pretty accurately sums up why I say the T-34 was the best tank the Russians could've made in their situation 👍
Also what's the music that plays at the end when you put on the shades and look cool?
The song is from the Cave Story OST, it’s called “Mimiga Town”
@@eta320i particularly love this video because it actually pairs really well at least to a certain degree with Lazerpig's video. With the linchpin that makes them different being whether you focus your opinion on the actual design of the T-34 or of its actual produced units that were actually put into action. Both are equally valid viewpoints that probably give us the most objective view of the tank's value when they are combined.
I think the biggest myth is that russian/soviet tank design doesn't care about crew comfort, they try but industry constraints dampen ambitions.
Is that the Richmond skyline and James River I see in the background? Love to see my home town represented.
Gotta represent VA!
Right before this video I was playing on a T-34 in War thunder
I'ld really love to know what you think of the Panzer III.
Opening with Lazerpig's review was choice
Looking at tanks from the development perspective is super cool. It would be awesome to see videos like this on other tanks too :D
It shows that there was an original goal the designers needed to meet, and that things almost never turn out "perfect"
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Most inventions are considered good when they do what their inventor wants them to do. The T-34 was made to help it's nation win the war and it certainly met those expectations.
As long as it didn't do the opposite (by being a complete waste of materials like some german projects 😒) it can be considered a success.
Will do panzer 38t? 🥺👉👈
Wonder what tank will have this debate next, started with the tiger, then the t-34. Maybe next the sherman? Who knows.
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This is a great video, and the T-34 is a great tank. Not a tankie lol but I struggle to come up with the idea that any other tank in WWII could have achieved the quite impressive feats of the T-34.
20:56 i like two thought
Haven't fully watched the vid yet but need to get my thoughts on the T-34 debate down and off my chest.
The T-34 was an effective system within a system of systems, and that is truly the only way to truthfully analyse any tank.
Saying the T-34 was bad because of factors to do with the tank itself is like saying the Maus was the best tank of the war: yes it was the top trump for armour and had great firepower, but it barely existed and was neither transportable by rail or road so it couldn't actually do tank things. The T-34 was not a great tank on its own but as a part of a larger whole (production, logistics, doctrine etc) it did the jobs that were required and so was more effective than most tanks.
Oh and for the record I hated the T-34 before it was cool, but mostly because people pretended it invented sloped armour (because naval warfare didn't exist yet apparently) and that this was a perfect idea with no drawbacks in regards to overall footprint vs useful internal space.
Lol a TH-camr from Richmond heck yeah!