Today I talked with author Nathen Amin about the Beaufort family.
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- When we look at the birth of the Tudor dynasty, it is often claimed that Henry Tudor had no right to the throne, or a very slim claim at the most. It's true that his wasn't the strongest of claims, however the stick of his ancestors illegitimacy that his dissenters like to beat him with was in fact removed in 1397 by Richard II and recognised in both canon and civil law.
When most people hear the name Beaufort, they automatically think of Margaret Beaufort, Henry VII's mother, and then jump straight back to her ancestor, John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster (third son of Edward III). But what about the generations in-between?
The Beauforts were wealthy, powerful, high achievers, and loyal to their kings. They did not succeed on name or family loyalty alone and they shaped the political line for generations. This discussion takes their story from Gaunt, up until we meet a young man you may have heard of - Owen Tudor. If you want to see the cat (quite correctly) put amongst the pigeons, wait until you get to 33.20!
I want to thank Nathen so much for this; it was so enjoyable and I hope to have him back another time.
Nathen runs The Henry Tudor Society and is the author of 'The House of Beaufort: The Bastard Line that Captured the Crown' and 'Tudor Wales'. His next book, 'Henry VII and the Tudor Pretenders: Simnel, Warbeck, and Warwick', will be released on 15th November 2020 and is available on pre-order from Amazon and the Book Depository.
What a great interview. It was really helpful to get an overview of the Beaufort line and how important they were for many many years. The snippet about the handwritten change to the Legitimacy Act was a real treat - fascinating since I have always assumed (like everyone else I guess) that the Beauforts were banned from the throne. I definitely want to learn more - the two Joan's sound amazing and its great to hear of other great women as well as the well known Margaret.
Thanks for arranging and putting this together for us :-)
Thank you my lovely 😊
Brilliant interview. Really interesting. Especially as I’ve just read “House of Beaufort”. Fantastic book.
It’s added to my interest of Tudor history. Great interviewer and equally great interviewee. Thank you.
Hi Lee. Thank you so much for such great feedback, I really appreciate it! It is an excellent book, and I will nag him about Joan Beaufort from time to time!
Absolutely, Loved it.
Thank you so much 😊
The patriarch of the Tudor line Owen Tudor was a,nobody who got lucky with the dowager Queen of Henry v; so in the male line the Tudor had no royal blood whatsoever he had two sons Edmund and jasper Tudor ,Henry VI recognised them as half bros so gave them a leg up by giving them titles and also married off Edmund to Margaret Beaufort the daughter of John Beaufort the Duke of Somerset who was from a Bastard line from John of Gaunt so the Beaufort did have a royal connection thru the male line unlike the tudors. Margarets son HENRY Earl of Richmond claim was tenuous at best as the male line started with Owen Tudor and basically Henry VI married Edmund Tudor to Margaret Beaufort to basically parachute them into a position they were not born into .Henry Tudor had no position of political authority and was only seen as a figurehead after the lancastrian defeat at Tewkesbury in 1471 were the surviving lancastrian and yorkists who were against Richard III coalesced in Brittany were Tudor had fled in 1471 .Henry had no military or political experience whatsoever in leading men and there was a proviso that he had to marry Edward IV'S daughter Elizabeth to give him more legitimacy as a potential contender for power in England with the support of the surviving lancastrians and previous yorkists who fled to Brittany. The male line started with Owen Tudor so Henry VII'S claim was always tenuous which seemingly made the Tudor line a bit paranoid as there were other claimants to the plantagenet bloodline whose claim was actually a lot stronger than Henry Tudors in fact Tudors through the male line were not Lancastrians ,Henry Tudors mother was thru John Beaufort but as they were a bastard line had no claim to the throne Henry IV actually statedd that the Beauforts were barred from being contenders to the throne they were born illigitimately but got a papal dispensation to legitimise them which Henry IV Never recognised .
That’s an awful lot of words to say ‘I’m a Ricardian’
Brilliant! If I recall correctly, the book references Richards III's preference for the Beaufort's but I did not see a reference for the letter written near the end of his life. Is there a source for this? Love to see that. Thank you
Thank you, John. I’ll ask Nathen!
@@thehistoricalcollaborator Thank you from Nova Scotia :)
Just checking back to see if you were able to check on this with Nathen?
OOOps - Edward III