Essential Miter Saw Upgrades & Additions
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- Learn how to make 3 simple upgrades and additions to your miter saw setup. These additions include zero clearance fence plates, a zero clearance insert plate and space saving sliding material supports with flip stops. Increase both the accuracy and efficiency of your saw with these simple shop-made solutions.
To learn more about my dust collection upgrades for the Bosch Axial Glide saw, watch - • Bosch Axial Glide Dust...
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Miter saws are a very versatile and accurate tool for a variety of cuts. You can increase the accuracy and efficiency of your miter saw with simple shop-made upgrades like I show in this video. Zero clearance insert plates and fence plates both reduce tear out and make it faster and more precise to align your work piece to the blade.
In my shop I don't have space for a full-on dedicated miter saw station so I installed my saw on the countertop of my shop cabinets which allows the space to serve multiple purposes. The sliding material supports with flip stops allow me to make repetitive cuts quickly and also give me adjustable support to long work pieces. An efficient small shop solution.
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For anyone that is looking for the dimensions of the MDF zero clearance fence plates I'll put them below. As I mentioned in the video they are just made from a scrap piece of 1/2" thick MDF.
Overall Dimensions:
Length - 29 1/4"
Height - 4 1/4"
Cutout for Dust Boot:
Width - 3 5/8"
Height - 3 1/4"
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Outstanding mod Dan, thanks
Dan Pattison Would anyone know where I could get a replacement FLANGE and ARBOR BOLT for RYOBI TS1342 10 inch miter saw?? Ryobi no longer makes them or sells them. Any other parts I can use instead??
@@papergatorzfedducca7998 I'm not sure.
What size screws did you use to attach the fence plates to the fence?
Best stop block with a bench "equalizer" function that I have seen. Brilliant in it's simplicity.
Great tool which will not disappoint. A little on the pricey side but the convenience factor is really nice.Update: 11/3/18 - Still works great th-cam.com/users/postUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe and not disappointed at with the purchase. Wish I could have bought this at the lower price but ah well. This miter saw is truly awesome after two years of use. Makes cutting quick without messing around. I leant this tool to a friend for trim work at his home. He returned after using my saw and bought one for himself. I guess his demo with my saw was the deciding factor
Ditto here. Dan, you provide some really great out of the box solutions that many of us are scratching our heads over. I too was considering a mitre station with flip up supports (as some of your colleges have made excellent videos for) however after seeing the amount of extra storage that the open cabinets provide sold me on your solution in a heartbeat.
Thank you for sharing your fantastic ideas.
JS
Canada
Nice practical mods. Like the side supports and flip stop. This set up makes the idea of a chop/mitre saw fixed to a movable work station more practical. I'll keep these mods in mind when I set up mine. Thanks.
Thank you Don. Your dust collection is truly remarkable as I see no dust or anything anywhere in your entire shop it is spotless! I do hope I get similar results. Never before seen your add ons like this and will do it also.
The support contraption thingies are brilliant! Thank you for the inspiration!
Thank you for the simplicity and elegance of those outfeed tables. I’ve been waaaaay overthinking my new mitre saw station.
GREAT video Dan. I like the material supports, they are very functional AND versatile!!
Really informational. I love details, and you explain everything thoroughly. Thanks!
Your idea for the outfeed tables is simple and brilliant. A solution escaped me until I saw your video. Thank you for sharing.
MATERIAL SUPPORTS AND SLIDING ONES AT THAT! Genious! I need to make some
So simple but very effective. Just started rethinking my mitre station (or lack thereof) and this will save me a ton of time and space compared to the ideas that were floating around in my head! Thanks!!
I really like those sliding supports. They fall into the category of "duh, why didn't I think of that"
Brillant idea. I too fall into the exact same category!
Vectors2final Just a great idea. Thanks
+Vectors2final that's something that I love about TH-cam and doing DP Shop Talk is being able to share ideas and also get ideas and feedback from you guys.
Great ideas for customizing the saw. I'll use these myself. Thanks Dan.
Great info on the sliding miter stand Dan. Thank you! It’s one of those , why didn’t I think of that moments. I also have a Bosch miter saw along with my 3 hp jet table saw, jet drill press, grizzly jointer and others.
I was about to build a mitre saw station but this video has changed my mind!
I was thinking about buying one, this one changed my mind as well
Excellent video. This is the second one of your videos I've watched, and I've learned many tool mod ideas. I'm subscribing.
Great video and you made it very simple. I like them all, especially the sliding supports. Thank you for sharing.
Dan, just found your channel. I love the way you describe things.......very clear, smart and no nonsense. You have a new subscriber. Looking forward to watching more videos from your library.
This is the most useful video (by far) that I have seen for getting the most out of my miter saw. Thank you!
What a great idea about the material supports! Gonna' consider that for my shop
Thank you for the ideas!
that workshop is so pristine i find it hard to beleive any work has taken place there, ever!
I like keeping my shop clean, I find it's more efficient that way. It's definitely not as pristine in the middle of a job though. I keep my work van, jobsites tools just as clean. It's just the way I like to work.
That's got to be the most clinically clean and perfect workshop I've ever seen!
Its hard to imagine he actually does any work there. Its like a studio shop
That is because he is making TH-cam vids instead of woodworking, I quote "I have not finished the cabinet drawers and doors.""
Too much time cleaning NOT enough time crafting wood!!
Very Cool and extremely helpful! Thanks for the Great advice!!!
Your workshop is cleaner & tidier than my house 👍
Great suggestions. Thanks!
Super thanks for the tips Dan.
Hi Dan, great extension table idea, it will work well when we are in a mobile setting at the job site with the miter saw mounted to a sheet of 1 1/8" plywood work table. Your extension will be a lot more compact than our current setup. Thanks for the idea.
+Steve would love to see some pictures if you use that setup on a job site. dan@danpattison.com
fantastic video and advice. ...heading to the shop.
Amazingly organized and neat workshop, buddy! I'm jelly.
Thanks mucho Dan!
Yeah -I was just thinking this evening about making some kind of sled for my miter saw. I do not have enough space for regular circle saw, just utlized my not expensive mitter saw with good rail for making a super precise cutiing gun. And it works excellently. I used just the base desk to cover whole bottom area - (it was not all that even - now it is perfectly flat) then set the angle to exactly 90deg, and cut the line. Works fine, I can quickly set the cut-edge against the cut-line, no need for laser or measurment, just align and cut. A joy - unfortunately only to 30cm as my mitter saw is limited by that size. Thanks for video. All of it was done on pretty cheapo Scheppach saw (no pro Bosch or Makita) - however works like a charm.
Good stuff. Thank you for making this video!
Great video thanks Dan.
Nice video. I like your style and detail. Keep up the good content.
Really good ideas here. Thanks.
Excellent video.
Built a similar bench. Good stuff!
Few great idea.thanks for sharing. You have a new fan. All the best
Very very nice . Thankyou for those ideas
I use my 8' assembly table as a swiss army knife of woodworking, (outfeed table, track saw, kreg clamping area and miter station....your sliding support with flip stops has solved the my problem of having an easy way to evacuate the mitre saw and stops to use the full real estate of the table, if needed, but easily put back when mitering....thank you for the idea and saving me $$!!!
+Tim Meier glad to hear that you found the idea helpful!
the supports are a great idea
Well done and great tips
Thanks for sharing.
NICE AND SIMPLE.
That is one tidy workshop you have there dan
Ciarán Duffy mine is smaller but hey suits my needs.
Keep up THE good work👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
588,873 views...yet you only have 65.6K subscribers. As a woodworker, I have learned so much from everyone who has ever posted a video, and therefore I always SUBSCRIBE to every channel because everyone who has a channel has something I can learn to do...or NOT to do.
Please support these folks, I for one need anything they can teach me, and at 75 I am still learning. Nothing stays the same, all things are always getting better.
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Cheers Mate!
Great video. You really don't need a huge fence with stop block. Any twist in the lumber throws off your cut.
Also handy to keep standard size lumber ends in these stops to quickly mark dado widths (watch the kerf side of the cuts). Oh yeah, and add a stick-on tape measure to both sides of the miter saw support tables, knowing to add a foot, the stop can be placed with confidence in most cases.
VERY NICE GREAT JOB THANK YOU
Thanks mate
Thanks buddy 👍
Great channel!
Thanks Dan, very helpful.
Fantastic job! Great tips! Thanks so much!! New subscriber now.
Very interesting👌😉
I've go to make this or similar. All Ii have is a flat backstop with my shopvac hooked up to it at the back and sides but still sawdust all over not as bad as before but still nowhere good enough. Thanks Dan
Another good one Dan. I have got some of those improvements done already. I like your stops/supports better than mine and I have yet to do the fence mod though.
Very clever.
I like how peaceful he seems, it's like watching a Yoga class. :)
+carlric lol you're not the first person that has told me that. Hopefully it's a good thing and isn't putting people to sleep :)
Dan Pattison carlric is right, Dan! You have a very smooth and very articulate manner of speech, to which I very much enjoy listening. You speak very smoothly, without distracting interruptions, and never with any annoying "uhhh"s nor "like"s!
Like you, I really can't justify a dedicated miter station in my shop. I like your idea of the sliding support blocks, in lieu of long heavy support rails. They are probably all that I would ever really need.
But your workshop is maddeningly CLEAN! Quite amazing, really. I could never get the incredible dust collection effectiveness you have achieved. Well done!
It's like wood working ASMR.
Nice... I've got a similar saw
Excellent advice!!! Enjoying your videos... Noticed your work pants with pouches - sourcing info for those would be appreciated.
+Mitch Lennon thanks! The pants that I wear are the Blaklader Brawny pants which can be purchased from a variety of online retailers.
Great plate to reduce chiput...
2 minutes into the video and realize they are great tips
Your shop is wayyyyy.....too clean. LOL. Great upgrades. I'll b making those.
Lovely clever work. Can you explain mitre saw depth stops please. Can’t work out mine. I’ve a guild 1700w sliding
Surprise, surprise those are some helpful tips. I shall subscribe.
Love the idea of the stops you made. Ingenious but more importantly, where did you get those pants?!
They are the Blaklader Brawny pants
This test is only if you want to saw with a precision miter saw. (not for rough work).
Tips and Test:
Very important if you would like to saw with precision. (avoid torsion as much as possible)!
Always choose a Miter saw with a handle positioned in a vertical line above the saw blade.
Everything must be aligned, slide rails, handle, and saw blade,it is much better this way the blade will not tilt.
Because there is some torsion in the aluminum housing .
And choose an engine with softstart on it to prevent wear of the gear and worm shaft.
It is very important that everything is aligned.
Here are some examples to show how the handle must be positioned above the blade.
Bosch gcm 800 sj / Bosch gcm 8 sjl / Evolution rage 3 / FESTOOL KS 60 / Bosch GCM 8 SDE / FESTOOL KS 60 E KAPEX / Metabo KGSV 72 Xact / Bosch PCM 8 SD / Hitachi C10FSH.
(This also is the case with the Miter saw without the slide rails).
(If you want). You can test it yourself at home if there is torsion in the aluminum housing.
Step-1. First you make a saw cut from +-5 mm deep in to a flat piece of wood about +- 20 mm thick to this with the normal handle positioned on the right side of the Miter saw (the wood it will remain in place until the test is completed).
Step-2. Then repeat this by pushing the saw blade down with your hand (finger) on the aluminum protective cover were the saw blade is cased in. Just now only do this without the running engine.
Step-3. Now you can see if the saw blade will be positioned in or next to the saw cut. If the saw blade is (+- 0,2 / 0,5 mm) next to the saw cut then there is torsion in the aluminum housing (test is completed).
Step-4. therefor it is much better to choose a Miter saw with the handle positioned vertical in line above the saw blade.
Conclusion: how further away the handle is from the saw blade how more chance of torsion in the aluminum housing.(don't go for that).
Also with a cheap slide miter saw it is still better the handgriff in line a above the saw blade than on the right side. Maybe they will make it someday then we have a winner...
nice channel
I would have just built my stand for my saw lower to have continuous support onto the benches out both sides, but then I would have had to figure something else out for the stops. I just love having everything at the same height.
That would be the ideal setup. This solution was to make the best of existing work surfaces that are at different heights.
6:32 bench hook stop block
good
Those suport boxes seem like a good idea.Maybee you could store extra blades in them.
That's a great idea. You could easily make one that was also a blade storage box inside.
Thank you for your videos! They’re very helpful. Just curious. Did you have any issues with the Bosch? Did you find any drift in the cuts for which you needed to make adjustments? I tried not one but two Bosch saws and had to send both back for not being able to correct the drift.
I haven't had any issues with my saw but I have heard of others with that issue.
Thanks very much, this is so simple, so helpful, ( Why cant I think of this S#@* )
Hello Dan...Thank You for all your videos...! Ca 6.18... Look at the sawblade from the side, when it is all the way down. If you start cutting from the front (your position), it is cutting Upwards. The teeth is coming up through the board, it is the top side that will splinter. If We saw a couple of milimeters, when we pull the saw towards us, the teeth are going Down, and it prevents tear out. Some workers also use tape, on top of the cut line. Not sure how you do, just wanted to mention it here. Greetings from Denmark...Jakob.
+Jakob Hovman thanks for your comments. You're exactly right. Where the zero clearance insert really helps with splintering is when you have a wider board and have to plunge down through it to start the cut or if you're making a chop cut in the normal position. A score cut like you described is a great way to avoid tear out on the top surface. I find that with the 80 tooth blade that I use I don't normally get any splintering or chip out so it's not too much of an issue for me. Most times I only need one clean side which I face down on the saw anyway. Thanks for bringing up those great points.
Most welcome...! Basis for a new series of videos...? Another solution often used: When cross cutting logs, we first Score, about 1/4" / 6 mm, with a broad chisel...then saw away from that line, about 1/8" / 3mm. All to prevent tearout.
+Jakob Hovman that could make for a good video, tips for reducing tear out with different saws or tools. That's a great tip on sawing logs, thanks for sharing.
Great space saving idea, Dan. What is the distance from your wall to the back of the saw? Could it go back any farther? What's the distance to the front of the saw? I'm considering getting that saw, and I'm wondering if my bench is deep enough. Thanks!
+Peter Horn thanks! The distance from the back of the saw to the wall is 4 5/8". That distance could be less but I went with that distance so that the saw also clears the Bessey K-body clamps that I have hanging behind it. If it wasn't for the clamps I would probably put it about an inch away. From the back of the saw to the front of the miter lock knob its 33". If you happen to buy the saw through Amazon, I'll put my affiliate link below. Any purchases through the link help support the channel. If you find a better deal somewhere else then no worries. Thanks!
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Bro! That stop block is genius! Did you come up with that? I’ve been trying to figure out how to make one work for my “station”. Thanks
I can't remember what were my own ideas in this setup and what I got from others but it all works well for me.
Nice dan! Can you do a shop Tour?
+Sam van Gils thanks. Yeah I could do a shop tour at some point. Is there anything specific that you would want to see/know about or just a general tour and explanation?
I always like to see how someone organises his shop. I was wondering how you do screw and fastners Organisation.
Your shop just looks very organised and clean. I find it a real struggle to get to that point. My work always piles up to prevent me to get that organised. So now im taking it step by step. Now im looking into my fastners organisation. I have an incredible amount of them.
you are everything that I'm not...careful, thoughtful and conscientious...I gotta be better!
I noticed your shelf for hanging clamps!Can you provide a video or illustration on how you built it?
It's super basic really. It's just two lengths of plywood glued and screwed together to form a long L and then small triangles glued and screwed in place to act as braces. I cut custom notches for each clamp that were spaced appropriately and screwed the whole thing into studs with some long cabinet installation screws. There's really nothing elaborate about it, just simple and functional. Hope that helps.
HI Han, I hope you are keeping well,
i really like your videos and im learning a lott. im a part time cabinet maker here in africa and i have many ofthe tools that you have in your worksho. ive seen at the beggining of this video a "trailer" where you use a jig to u cut panel, wood with makita track saw...can you sen me a link....its not the one of paralel guide because that ive seen alredy
+efilimone thanks for your comments and feedback, I'm glad to hear you're finding the channel helpful. The cross cut jig that I use with the track saw in the intro is part of the Multi Purpose Table (MPT) that I designed. For more info or to buy the plans to build one you can visit the link below. Let me know if you have any questions.
The MPT - www.danpattison.com/mpt/
MPT Accessories - www.danpattison.com/mpt-accessories/
Got information on the table saw top side dust hood? Thanks.
If you look on my channel there is a video about how to make it.
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With the roomy setup you have, a Ryobi Mitre Saw Stand could be a "permanent" presence. It has all the features built in to it, and cost about $120 at Home Depot. I have my car in my garage and thus don't have room to have the Ryobi Stand perpetually setup - I have to fold it up and put it away.
Hi Paul, I do have a miter saw stand but I mostly use it on site. I've moved shop spaces since I made this video and have my Axial Glide saw on wheels now. If you watch my new shop tour episode I show how I have that set up.
Hello, do you have any video of your dust collector system?
Yes I do, I have a video and blog article on my setup.
www.danpattison.com/blog/2016/11/29/small-shop-dust-collection-solutions
Which mitre saw can accurately cut trenches or mortises into 4x4 inch timber ? I was told you can use a depth stop to limit the depth of cut and cut a flat mortise. Are the saw arms stable enough eg Bosch 12 inch saw ?
Most sliding miter saws have a depth stop feature and will allow you to make trenching cuts. The Axial Glide saws would definitely work well for that task
Doesn't the rabbit extending through the kerf on the MDF zero clearance fence plate negate the benefit of preventing chip out?
Yeah it would on the bottom corner of the work piece. I would rather that though than having the cut be off because of debris collecting at the bottom of the fence. I've never noticed any tearout issues though because of that rabbet.
New subscriber! Have you added a light to your saw ? I apologize in advance if you have a video on this.
Thanks for the subscription👍 No I haven't added a light to my saw. Haven't really found the need for one in my use.
Can you post the brand of material you used for the dust boot?
It was just a generic dollar store brand that I used.
hi can I use some double sided tape to attach the MDF to the fence my miter saw didn't come with those holes in the fence?
+Aleksamaker you could certainly do that. If the fence is aluminum I would be inclined to just drill some holes in it for using screws to attach an MDF fence.
Dan Pattison yeah I could certainly drill holes in the fence but that would ruin it's warranty because it is a rather cheap miter saw I don't really want to take that
One more question can i cut angles with that sacrificial fence?😐
ooh I just watched the video again you can cut angles oops
@@aleksamaker8118 if your saw is so "cheap", then screw the warranty! In the event that you truly damage anything, you would then have the opportunity to purchase a better quality tool. On the other hand... if you're not confident that you could drill a few holes without damaging your equipment, maybe you shouldn't be using power tools in the first place...🤔🤷♂️🛑⚠️
Is that a pool pump tube going to the miter saw dust port ? Or its something else that looks like it
Yes that's pool hose that I used. It makes great dust collection hose.
@@DPShopTalk i had just cut pieces in half for the junk, i guess i will keep them 😀
It looks good but in case of tall wood it won't work. The wire would hit the blade
The dust boot is definitely designed for stock that is 1" thick or less which is 95% of what I cut in the shop.
DP ....... :D lol .. My mind is in the gutter. I am going to hell in a wood crafted hand basket.
hi, what model is that table saw you have please its fantastic!
It's a Delta contractors saw and it's the platinum edition. It's about 20 years old now so they don't make them anymore.
@@DPShopTalk Dan, well 20 yrs ago things were built to last and well made, you won't get a contractor table saw as good as yours now
@@DPShopTalk.... Going on love to buy a sawstop table saw but in the UK not easy to find
Definitely