Max Tech - to the point, facts, thorough testing, results, clear explanations Other channels - fluff, basic testing, talking about Max Tech’s findings like they discovered it. Over the years Max Tech has consistently been the ones to find any issues because of their thorough testing. Even though they are Apple fans they don’t let that stop them from thorough testing and honest reporting. Other channels are concerned about staying in Apple’s good books in order to keep getting free review units, Max Tech is concerned about us, the viewer, and gives us honest data at the expense of being in Apple’s good books. I for one am so glad this channel exists!
What a time to be alive. They get to do the testing of all possible skews saving me the trouble of having to buy then return when it doesn’t work as advertised.
What an interesting video. I'm an old tech geezer that doesn't do major work anymore but i still avoid buying the base model systems. I do have a 14" m1 mb
Hi, I wonder can Max please try to replace thermal paste of 2021 macbook pro and make a video about it? since there already is replacement of the thick black thermal paste on the market, sorry for interrupt, i just want to let max see it since it can be a good video topic
Why the hate towards other channels? I've actually been linking to Max Tech videos. 😇 I even canceled a new video idea when I saw the SSD issue on this channel. I was like, “Whoa, that's a problem.” Really nice work here!
16GB RAM and 512SSD in this era should be the base model especially since you can't upgrade any of it. Apple's really cheaping out here with slower than expected SSDs.
Well, that's why the Mac is cheaper than iPhone. Once Apple bump up the based Mac model on 512SSD with 16GB RAM, *they will increase the Based price guaranteed.* Apple always find a way to get as much cash from us.
Sure, and with such Swap there is a big chance to break down the ssd for a small period of time. And since there is no way to repair it, I don't know if there is any reason to purchase base model. But if we add 16GB ram + 512GB ssd, than better to take M1 Pro 14''.
@@dulistanheman The iPhone has many cameras, a 5G chip, a better screen, and is much more in demand, so the price is right. Judging just by the raw material cost, Apple could easily sell 16/256 as the base MBP model for the same price and barely notice the loss. Instead, they choose to capitalize on the M1 hype and ruin earned capital of the fantastic, initial reputation of the transition. It looks like Apple is afraid of excessive warm feelings and deeply into existential crisis without the daily portion of the righteous hate.
I like how the M2 reviews are about why you shouldn’t get the base model..but when the m1 came out..all the reviews were about how the m1 8gb ram 256gb.. was good enough and don’t need to upgrade lol..pretty sure apple realized they made the m1 base model too powerful…and upgrading it wasn’t necessary..now apple wants people to Upgrade to get more 💵 so they downgraded the base models 😂
Agreed. Slow SSD? $200 please. 8GB RAM too little? Another 200 please. Oops, now you are only $100 away from discounted/refurbished M1 Pro 14", why not get a 14"? Wink wink.
I still remember how many videos were there to explain to you how more than 8gb is utterly useless, not to mention hundreds of comments claiming the same, it's crazy how if something is a trend people will struggle to justify it.
@@90ravg Exactly, not the same, and 8GB performs pretty good compared to 16GB in many ways in M1, much less difference - M1 base model outperforms M2 base model in some scenarios. in M2 base, they are hiding information about SSD speed/upgrade options.
Don’t get discouraged with the haters. With more popularity more negative attention also arrives. It also confirms you’re doing something right. I love your reviews because they tell people exactly what’s going on with the machine. This is exactly why I am waiting for your videos for the M2 MacBook Air. What I learned about your videos is that the M1/M2 will always work better if it has more memory/ram; and if it has more storage it will also help because the machines sometimes uses swap memory.
Yes, until Max Tech posts their videos on new release hardware I take other channel’s videos with a grain of salt. To me Max Tech is the authority on Apple hardware testing.
More ram and faster/larger hhd/ssd always makes an os happy.... In all reality they could make the 256 model perform just as well as the 512 model.... But why would they do that lmao.
Yes with more popularity you have more responsibility to tell right information not to create panic among consumers. I am sure 8/256 is excelling on real world performance
You’re not covering these sorts of topics too much or too fast. These are the best videos on TH-cam for seeing Mac performance and giving the best information to make an informed purchasing decision. Keep it up! 👍
At 8:28 where he compares the storage to a $2 part - was extremely disappointing. As Brian Tong says, “That's a bad apple!” I knew there was an Apple Tax on upgrades, but is the markup really that bad?! 🤦🏻♂
Your testing is much more thorough than the other TH-camrs, which is why I always check you guys out first. Apple is making a big mistake when they down grade their lower priced models just to have a low starting point. By pointing out that SSDs show down significantly the longer it takes to transfer big files answers my question as to why large files seem to take much longer than they should. Is there any SSDs that are better in this respect?
You’re doing an absolute killer job and putting most reviewers to shame. Keep it up guys! In fact, I’ll buy some merch to support you, you totally deserve it.
Wow-This is absolutely crazy,I can’t believe that only a few browsing tabs caused it to be so slow!-This is why your video’s are amazing!.-So informative and helpful-Those slow SSDs is a real problem!-Really appreciate it-Keep it up!.
I think you guys have covered this correctly. Don’t let other you tubers get you down. If I was buying an M2 MBP I would want to know about slow ssd single nand chip.
Exactly, I'm a windows guy, but facts are facts. If the M1 is more well rounded over intel, I want to know. If the M2 base I gimped, I want to know. Why would anyone looking to make an informed decision not want to know?
@@blinblinthing I think AMD is the well rounded one. Their performance is higher than an Apple, has good battery, and can also game. Apple is only good if you need all the battery in the world/ more than 10hrs
There’s no other channel I trust more for in depth and unbiased Mac reviews and I own loads of Mac gear. Please Keep doing exactly what you have been doing.
Thanks for making a serious video on this topic, I posted a comment on Rene's "explainer" video yesterday about this. Apple needs to better organize and upgrade their SKUs and options offered on these new Apple Silicon machines. These new chips are setup and configured differently and they need the appropriate amount of RAM and Storage without costing the customer hundreds if not over a thousand dollars extra!
I am really impressed by the work you guys put in while exposing Apple's cheap out plan.. Amazing As a potential customer, I really appreciate your time and effort in bringing out the true picture of Baseline M2
Awesome video like always! The reason everyone else won't cover the SSD like this is because if Rene Richie or iJustine said what you said about Apple's products they wouldn't get invited to Apple events anymore. They play the Apple politics card every time vs being real about their thoughts and opinions.
To this point I think, M1 macbook pro with 16gb and 256gb storage is far better and faster than any m2 macbook pro with 8/256, 16/256, 8/512. Only 16/512 model will be slightly better than m1. This is just shocking lol.
I bought the 2020 13” M1 MBP in January 2021. I got it with 16gb and 1tb. I don’t have any reason to upgrade. Can’t afford the 16” and don’t see getting the 14” so I’m staying.
Fuck it , I’m done with Apple , selling all my apple products and move to a company that actually gives their customers real value for their money , selling 200$ SSD that only cost 2$ ? Biggest scam in history
Ngl I felt the same when he said he got sick of making vids of that MacBook after testing it and getting issues by the SSD. This is the last one to decide if the SSD upgrade helps
M2 definitely, especially because it insinuates that it should be better than the M1 in every category, where as here in real world testing Max Tech does an excellent job breaking it down. My base model MBA M1 SSD is running 2708 write and 2879 read at 1GB stress. I bought this thing for 524 bucks
What I love about your videos is how quickly, yet thoroughly topics are explained. It makes it much easier to comprehend all the information. I'm a university student from Europe and could definitely use a new laptop for my studies. The weight and slim design of this laptop is perfect for a student like me.
I love how you dont argue with the masses that bash you or say you are wrong in your tests, but rather you let the proof in the pudding argue for you! Its almost impossible if not impossible to argue with the results! Keep grinding my brothers, you are helping us and through your hard work, i will be getting my first ever apple product! I love you guys and the work you do!
Some people are not too bright, I made a comment on one of Max Tech’s other videos and someone argued against it even though the evidence was in the video, clearly I thought they missed the result so pointed them to the time stamp, nope they had seen it but believed the issue would be fixed with an update. :/ Max Tech are apple fans too, but the difference between them and a fanboy is they expect and hold Apple to a higher standard AND show evidence of their findings regardless, while fanboys think Apple can do no wrong.
I was really surprised when you showed the other reviewers comments… really disappointed that they defend Apple in that way, thank you to open the eye to all of us
So let's theorise for a second: Let's say the M2 Air comes with 1 x 256gb chip and you can only upgrade one - would a 16gb RAM upgrade alone make enough difference? or should the SSD be prioritised over more RAM?
For me I bought ram16 ssd256 because of how I’m using I try 8/512 and 16/256 on my job or what I’m doing 16/256 faster then 8/512 I work in online don’t use much transfer import export fire , yeah some LR + PS is still faster then 8/512 I think because of swapping ssd ram8 is not enough, but if I have to upgrade 16/512 I’ll choose pro14” better
The base model MacBook Air M2 is made for people who are not using the MacBook for hardcore photo and video editing. It works just fine for web browsing, non cpu and gpu intensive coding, and using Microsoft applications for business.This makes up the majority of people who buy Macs and the reason why the base model sells so well. The people who need a Mac for photo and video editing should just get the MacBook Pro 14 in because it is at a near identical price point (when its on sale) to the MacBook Air 512 gb SSD and 16 gb RAM.
Apple fanboys going all hard to defend Apple against MAXTECH with this disaster of a base model M2 MB pro calling it “you won’t see much of a difference in real life use” are being cults/sheeps. Max as an Apple fan did a great job exposing Apple dirty business tactics through real life test stats, this is what I call a genuine reviewer, no bias
I think apple does all this just to give YT more content, I disagree regarding the base model. These geeked out spec times and comparisons are for "creative pros", if that's the case just get a loaded Pro model because if you're a pro you in the business of making money doing professional content. The base model is fine if you're doing anything, even these labor intensive programs and more, because at the end of the day anyone looking for the basic Macbook is NOT going to be using this computer like your tests, greatly appreciate the info and effort you put into this, but it's just all relative to individual use.
Yeah, the titles are clickbaity and it irks me sometimes, but the content does deliver. I’m not sure there’s others here on TH-cam that do comparisons as well as you. Keep up the good work.
Really appreciate your exhaustive thorough analysis. Glad to hear you are calling it done. Get some rest, take a good break, don't let yourselves get burned out.
If you can afford the 16Gb buy it. Extra memory doesn't use much power and eliminates swap caching that slows the machine. For video viewing and common office tasks, 8GB is more than adequate. When watching gaming specifications, I notice that games don't use CPU memory, they rely on GPU memory and CPU performance.
What about the “new” old base M1 MBA? Does that still have two 128GB SSD modules? It would be interesting to know if Apple is no longer using any 128GB SSD modules on any current MacBook
Thank you very much for the video. Wow that is crazy how much better the 512gig is doing over the 256gig. Ridiculous how Apple took a short cut on their ram to swap to single density. That just seems so wrong that Apple would do their customers even like me like that.
I’ve spent thousands of pounds on apple products and this has really fucked me off! Don’t think I’ll ever trust apple again. I’m so angry. My MacBook is brand new and this happened. It’s in being repaired but I actually don’t want it anymore
*how does the 512GB 8GB ram 13" M2 results, compare with the 512GB 16GB ram version you tested last time?* *also I want to see 512GB/8GB Vs 256GB/16GB.*
I am forced to switch from Windows to MacOS and decided to wait for the M2 MacBook AIr. Is it likely that it will have a slow SSD on the 256GB model too and only the 512GB model will have the fast speeds? Because if that should be the case I would be forced to spend another 200$ for the storage upgrade, and since I already upgraded from 8 to 16gb of RAM this would get it to $1,7k, making the 14" 2021 M1 Pro MacBook Pro a much better choice. In that case only the M2 MacBook Air base model would make sense in terms of price to performance ratio. Waiting for the M2 Pro MacBook Pro is not an option for me.
Well switching back to windows is a far better choice and cost effective better windows laptop are available for cheaper or atleast just as much. Have a good day.
I’ve been subbed for like a year , and steadily has become one of my favorite channels above other tech/apple channels. It’s to the point , good observations , and tell you the smart option and the best option depending on what you need . Keep doing you . I wonder what your comparisons will be with the m2 air vs this m2 and maybe even vs the base m1 air .
Your intimate knowledge on Apple machines; your objective and thorough tests; your ease of explanation make your channel special. Your knowledge of Android is not as helpful so comparisons are not always as exact; however, comparing Apple to Apple there is no one better. I have made Apple purchases based on your videos and been very happy every time. 😊
The m2 air technically should be the same thing. It doesn't have a fan to cool it because it is all passive cooling. I went from black m2 air hype to ouf. They cucked it so much might as well just buy a m1 pro 14' and get the miniLED display lol.
Did not really like the comment from Gary - The Everyday Dad while his own content is extremely repetitive, incl ordering a bunch of crap accessories, ecosystem videos, apple refurb, and thats about sums it up! These synthetic benchmarks do provide some insight into a product and when corroborated by a bunch of them as well as real life testing as set up by Max Tech, do help put into context the performance of a device (ofc not for each use case). Max Tech was the first to take apart the STUDIO!
Max Tech are honestly the only reviewers I watch to show precise data. Many other reviewers generalize everything which can leave out important details. Some just ignore data all together.
Great vid. Let’s hope they don’t destroy the M2MBA this way cause this is crazy. True that Apple’s been scamming customers for years with the apple tax and hardware overpricing but it seems to have gotten way out of control this year. Gonna keep my M1MBA forever lol
There is no way a lesser model will get better components than a "pro" model. Well, regardless whether this SSDgate issue exists or not, you should not be upgrading your M1 this year anyway, unless you want to prove that you are a spoiled first world rich person.
@@gigihanmandarin its not an “lesser” model… the air is actually dimensions better and apple knows it, I thing this “pro” laptop is just a placeholder for an upgraded version, so I think apple has saved up some good ssd’s for the air
You always go above and beyond with your reviews! I am still surprised Apple even offered this, it’s an odd fit in the lineup… I hope the rest of the updated Macs carry the great momentum started with the M1!
The question is, does this problem scale up for larger SSD? Meaning, is the 1T SSD a double 512 or a single slot, duplicating the problems of the 256 and thus requiring a 2T?!
The 1TB SSD should have a larger cache but same read/write speeds as the 512 SSD. So file transfers should be better which it already is on the 512 model, rest should be pretty much same.
You guys do the BEST job of any apple tech reviewer out there! Your videos answer all the right questions and more because they are so detailed and thorough.
I own a 27" 5k iMac from 2017 - It has this Fusion Drive of 1 Terrabyte with only 32 gigs of SSD. It is painfully slow for photo editing, I think even the base model of the M2 would be a huge jump up. I do not want to spend too much money. But I am curios if 8 Gigs of Ram are enough, when you use Lightroom and Photoshop simultanliously, without having no other apps open. What is crazy, is that even the 512gb model of the m2 is much slower using swap than the m1 using swap, that is even worse than only having slower ssd for file transfer and export, because it makes a real world difference. A very good video and thanks for covering that issue with the slow ssds.
From this video I can work out that the M2 MacBook Air is going to be a massive disappointment as it will likely have the same SSD issue and won’t have active cooling so will be throttled and the M1 will perform better over more tests
It's clearly a bit of a scandal - Apple's base storage option being half storage that's lower performance. We pay so much for Apple Kit because we expect it's going to be "the best" and faster than the previous model. Apple needs to be transparent and explain under what circumstances these base-level computers are going to be faster, and slower. Reminds me of the first MacBook I got - the M1 Macbook Pro 13-inch with 8GB RAM / 256GB Storage. For my work (no video editing, large files or heavy computation - just need a lot of browser windows open, a remote support tool, and Outlook/email), it was fine... until it wasn't. After half a day of work, there wouldn't be enough RAM. It would start to swap to the SSD, and slow down MASSIVELY. Performance would fall off a cliff! Switching between open apps would increase to several seconds, sometimes more than 30; Opening new apps would get unusably slow; I'd get the spinning ball even within an app. It was just no good for my work pattern at all. I switched to a Macbook Pro 14 inch with 16GB RAM and 1TB storage. What a difference! I *never* get those slowdowns. It just switches instantly between all my open apps without so much as a stutter - even with parallels running occasionally. It literally just keeps running with no problems whatsoever! The problem with computer performance is it's very dependent on the user's particular workflow and work pattern, and it can be slightly subjective. The other problem with computer performance is the 'falling-off-a-cliff' effect. It can be absolutely fine and it takes just one more app, or one more browser tab -- and there's suddenly not enough RAM, and swapping can bring the performance crashing down. In many real-life situations, you won't be able to tell the difference between a 5000-MB per second write speed and a 2500-MB per second write speed, but that, combined with lower RAM capacities can make all the difference. In the end, I gave my 8MB 13 inch model to my daughter, whose usage is much lighter, and she has had no problems whatsoever. Note: that was really as a replacement for her MacBook Air from 2013 that I left on top of my car and drove off with! It suffered a screen problem after I retrieved it later from the middle of a busy road junction 🙂
Thank you guys for being honest and doing these tests. I hope this eats into the sales of this product - Apple needs to know that they will be called out on their BS. Super curious to see if this will be the case for the m2 Air as well.
Mad respect to you guys for your transparency... Don't be a tool like 90% of all other Apple channels. It's the reason why you're the only channel i trust.
Thank you very much for revealing the dark side of apples strategy. I really appreciate you guys taking so much time testing and reviewing between different specs. I can’t wait till you guys pick up the Mac airs. I’m still contemplating if I should get the 16gb 256 or 512.
@@adamchan968 I am still wondering if air m2 would work for me. However when I start adding more RAM and SSD the price runs so high that you can get decent gaming laptop (i know, hard to travel with) that will run everything you can think of (except Apple software ;) )
@@lormitto ya… it’s a rip off. It’s a shame that apple is doing us like this this time. Ima get the 10 core and 16gb only. I’m not upgrading the hard drive. I edit quite a bit of videos and photos. So I guess I’ll just close all the other applications when I render videos 😂
This testing reveals important info for potential buyers to consider. But, it falls in line with common knowledge since the beginning of the computer age. Max out RAM and hard drive capacity and you get faster operation for any given CPU.
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I have been watching every possible reviewer on TH-cam for 15 years now and you have become the one and only channel I trust when it comes to detailed performance and breakdown of internals along with any other changes manufacturers are making over the years. So many TH-cam reviews are pretty much like ads these days but your content dives so much deeper and it's been essential in helping me decide on my next products. Keep up the great work and please continue with these detailed videos as it gives more power to the consumer and its valuable information we all should know.
Thank you thank you thank you guys!!! This is really informative. And about the haters, doubters & naysayers, good journalists never ever care, in fact it actually shows that you're getting their attention with your reporting. Absolutely awesome & keep up the great great work you've all been doing for years now. I'm also just wondering...do you think the new batch of M1 macbook airs that Apple just bumped up the prices on will also now come with just a single NAND chip for the base model??? That would have HUGE implications when recommending those wouldn't it?! Perhaps you guys can purchase one of the new M1 MBA base 256gb model & open it up?
Excellent coverage as always, thank you for your honesty in bringing this to light. Would you still recommend the base MacBook Air M1 8gb 256 for those of us getting into the Mac ecosystem now or waiting for the M2 air that may exhibit the same issue?
“Even the $600 iPad Air” 👏👏👏👏👏 GREAT VIDEO side note makes me feel AMAZING about my m1 MacBook Pro which I picked up used for just $700 and connected to an apple Thunderbolt Display + magic keyboard and mouse, anything to get off of Intel while they continue to roll out the new Macs (impatiently waiting for the iMac Pro)!!!
These videos are the reason why I subscribed to this channel. The amount of reply value these videos have when deciding on a Mac purchase is beyond what anyone else in this space on TH-cam is offering. Keep up the great work guys!
Thank you for doing these in depth tests! I know when we see a 15 minute video that is hours hours of work for you guys. So really appreciate for doing this for enlightening us about issues and good points of new macbooks.
I love your content. I am sorry that some people get upset that you reveal these potential issues. I love how deep you dive into these machines. I will always watch your videos before I buy an Apple device. Please keep the content coming, weather it is about this, or some other topic.
Incredibly thorough testing. THANK YOU MAX for your time! To conclude, is this the buying advice for a weekend warrior Lightroom / Davinci user? * High budget = buy the 14" MBP w / 16GB /512 , $1800 on sale ( $1700 Apple employee disc); * Lower budget = buy the M1 Air w / 16GB/ 512, $1229 refurbished; * Lower budget = M1air base 8GB/256, $850 on sale / refurbished I can get 14" w/ Employee disc for $1700 , but that extra $$ tough to justify for a weekend warrior, right?
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Max Tech - to the point, facts, thorough testing, results, clear explanations
Other channels - fluff, basic testing, talking about Max Tech’s findings like they discovered it.
Over the years Max Tech has consistently been the ones to find any issues because of their thorough testing. Even though they are Apple fans they don’t let that stop them from thorough testing and honest reporting. Other channels are concerned about staying in Apple’s good books in order to keep getting free review units, Max Tech is concerned about us, the viewer, and gives us honest data at the expense of being in Apple’s good books. I for one am so glad this channel exists!
What a time to be alive. They get to do the testing of all possible skews saving me the trouble of having to buy then return when it doesn’t work as advertised.
What an interesting video. I'm an old tech geezer that doesn't do major work anymore but i still avoid buying the base model systems. I do have a 14" m1 mb
Hi, I wonder can Max please try to replace thermal paste of 2021 macbook pro and make a video about it? since there already is replacement of the thick black thermal paste on the market, sorry for interrupt, i just want to let max see it since it can be a good video topic
Others channels don't show the same love and compromise.
Why the hate towards other channels? I've actually been linking to Max Tech videos. 😇
I even canceled a new video idea when I saw the SSD issue on this channel. I was like, “Whoa, that's a problem.” Really nice work here!
16GB RAM and 512SSD in this era should be the base model especially since you can't upgrade any of it. Apple's really cheaping out here with slower than expected SSDs.
Well, that's why the Mac is cheaper than iPhone. Once Apple bump up the based Mac model on 512SSD with 16GB RAM, *they will increase the Based price guaranteed.*
Apple always find a way to get as much cash from us.
Sure, and with such Swap there is a big chance to break down the ssd for a small period of time. And since there is no way to repair it, I don't know if there is any reason to purchase base model. But if we add 16GB ram + 512GB ssd, than better to take M1 Pro 14''.
@@dulistanheman The iPhone has many cameras, a 5G chip, a better screen, and is much more in demand, so the price is right. Judging just by the raw material cost, Apple could easily sell 16/256 as the base MBP model for the same price and barely notice the loss. Instead, they choose to capitalize on the M1 hype and ruin earned capital of the fantastic, initial reputation of the transition. It looks like Apple is afraid of excessive warm feelings and deeply into existential crisis without the daily portion of the righteous hate.
Even lenovo ideapad with under 1000$ price now offering 16/512 . And most windows laptop now offering 512g based ssd storage
For a pro machine, you are right. For a basic consumer Mac, 8GB and 256GB is fine
I like how the M2 reviews are about why you shouldn’t get the base model..but when the m1 came out..all the reviews were about how the m1 8gb ram 256gb.. was good enough and don’t need to upgrade lol..pretty sure apple realized they made the m1 base model too powerful…and upgrading it wasn’t necessary..now apple wants people to
Upgrade to get more 💵 so they downgraded the base models 😂
Agreed. Slow SSD? $200 please. 8GB RAM too little? Another 200 please. Oops, now you are only $100 away from discounted/refurbished M1 Pro 14", why not get a 14"? Wink wink.
I still remember how many videos were there to explain to you how more than 8gb is utterly useless, not to mention hundreds of comments claiming the same, it's crazy how if something is a trend people will struggle to justify it.
That’s a ridiculous rip off to people upgrading tho
That’s not the case since Apple is leaving this ISSUE hidden.
@@90ravg Exactly, not the same, and 8GB performs pretty good compared to 16GB in many ways in M1, much less difference - M1 base model outperforms M2 base model in some scenarios. in M2 base, they are hiding information about SSD speed/upgrade options.
Don’t get discouraged with the haters. With more popularity more negative attention also arrives. It also confirms you’re doing something right. I love your reviews because they tell people exactly what’s going on with the machine. This is exactly why I am waiting for your videos for the M2 MacBook Air. What I learned about your videos is that the M1/M2 will always work better if it has more memory/ram; and if it has more storage it will also help because the machines sometimes uses swap memory.
Yes, until Max Tech posts their videos on new release hardware I take other channel’s videos with a grain of salt. To me Max Tech is the authority on Apple hardware testing.
what about 1 tb verses 2 tb? ty
More ram and faster/larger hhd/ssd always makes an os happy.... In all reality they could make the 256 model perform just as well as the 512 model.... But why would they do that lmao.
Which haters bro? Haters are only on reddit and Tiktok
Yes with more popularity you have more responsibility to tell right information not to create panic among consumers. I am sure 8/256 is excelling on real world performance
You’re not covering these sorts of topics too much or too fast. These are the best videos on TH-cam for seeing Mac performance and giving the best information to make an informed purchasing decision. Keep it up! 👍
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Great video. Apple should be ashamed of itself with its M2 Macbook Pro base offering.
At 8:28 where he compares the storage to a $2 part - was extremely disappointing. As Brian Tong says, “That's a bad apple!” I knew there was an Apple Tax on upgrades, but is the markup really that bad?! 🤦🏻♂
8/256 as a base configuration in any premium laptop that costs over €/$1000 in 2022 is highway robbery.
Your testing is much more thorough than the other TH-camrs, which is why I always check you guys out first. Apple is making a big mistake when they down grade their lower priced models just to have a low starting point. By pointing out that SSDs show down significantly the longer it takes to transfer big files answers my question as to why large files seem to take much longer than they should. Is there any SSDs that are better in this respect?
You’re doing an absolute killer job and putting most reviewers to shame. Keep it up guys! In fact, I’ll buy some merch to support you, you totally deserve it.
Thank you! We really appreciate it!
he's not gonna marry you man. Imagine simping for people you don't even know and giving them your hard earned money.
Wow-This is absolutely crazy,I can’t believe that only a few browsing tabs caused it to be so slow!-This is why your video’s are amazing!.-So informative and helpful-Those slow SSDs is a real problem!-Really appreciate it-Keep it up!.
I think you guys have covered this correctly. Don’t let other you tubers get you down. If I was buying an M2 MBP I would want to know about slow ssd single nand chip.
Other you tubers are mad coz they can’t make this quality of content as Max text does
@@applemagsafe I like the work he puts in. Only thing I don't like is when he's clearly biased
Exactly, I'm a windows guy, but facts are facts. If the M1 is more well rounded over intel, I want to know. If the M2 base I gimped, I want to know. Why would anyone looking to make an informed decision not want to know?
@@blinblinthing I think AMD is the well rounded one. Their performance is higher than an Apple, has good battery, and can also game. Apple is only good if you need all the battery in the world/ more than 10hrs
@@villanousspyder405 I agree and disagree but it’s all about personal preferences and we got all our choices to decide from
There’s no other channel I trust more for in depth and unbiased Mac reviews and I own loads of Mac gear. Please Keep doing exactly what you have been doing.
true!
Thanks for making a serious video on this topic, I posted a comment on Rene's "explainer" video yesterday about this. Apple needs to better organize and upgrade their SKUs and options offered on these new Apple Silicon machines. These new chips are setup and configured differently and they need the appropriate amount of RAM and Storage without costing the customer hundreds if not over a thousand dollars extra!
I am really impressed by the work you guys put in while exposing Apple's cheap out plan.. Amazing
As a potential customer, I really appreciate your time and effort in bringing out the true picture of Baseline M2
Awesome video like always! The reason everyone else won't cover the SSD like this is because if Rene Richie or iJustine said what you said about Apple's products they wouldn't get invited to Apple events anymore. They play the Apple politics card every time vs being real about their thoughts and opinions.
Agreed!
Agreed. Rene Richie would sell his own mum for Apple's goodwill.
I would like to see a comparison between 8 and 16 GB models where they both have an equal amount of SSD’s i.e both are 512 GB versions.
To this point I think, M1 macbook pro with 16gb and 256gb storage is far better and faster than any m2 macbook pro with 8/256, 16/256, 8/512. Only 16/512 model will be slightly better than m1. This is just shocking lol.
and much cheaper
But are you considering the GPU? and 7 core vs 8 core wouldn't that make the 16/256 M2 8 core faster?
you're still not addressing the biggest question - how does the base model perform? forget about exportation times
Hi Max, I really like your extensive comparison videos! Please keep doing them! ❤
I bought the 2020 13” M1 MBP in January 2021. I got it with 16gb and 1tb. I don’t have any reason to upgrade. Can’t afford the 16” and don’t see getting the 14” so I’m staying.
Fuck it , I’m done with Apple , selling all my apple products and move to a company that actually gives their customers real value for their money , selling 200$ SSD that only cost 2$ ? Biggest scam in history
Ngl I felt the same when he said he got sick of making vids of that MacBook after testing it and getting issues by the SSD. This is the last one to decide if the SSD upgrade helps
No way around it, Apple should be ashamed for trying to pass this off on the public. Thank you Max Tech for a thorough and honest assessment.
M2 definitely, especially because it insinuates that it should be better than the M1 in every category, where as here in real world testing Max Tech does an excellent job breaking it down. My base model MBA M1 SSD is running 2708 write and 2879 read at 1GB stress. I bought this thing for 524 bucks
@@eliasbutcher859 Howd you get it for that price?
What I love about your videos is how quickly, yet thoroughly topics are explained. It makes it much easier to comprehend all the information. I'm a university student from Europe and could definitely use a new laptop for my studies. The weight and slim design of this laptop is perfect for a student like me.
I love how you dont argue with the masses that bash you or say you are wrong in your tests, but rather you let the proof in the pudding argue for you! Its almost impossible if not impossible to argue with the results! Keep grinding my brothers, you are helping us and through your hard work, i will be getting my first ever apple product! I love you guys and the work you do!
Some people are not too bright, I made a comment on one of Max Tech’s other videos and someone argued against it even though the evidence was in the video, clearly I thought they missed the result so pointed them to the time stamp, nope they had seen it but believed the issue would be fixed with an update. :/
Max Tech are apple fans too, but the difference between them and a fanboy is they expect and hold Apple to a higher standard AND show evidence of their findings regardless, while fanboys think Apple can do no wrong.
Yes they are apple fans and they will point out if apple dropped the ball and you will genuinely see their disappointment. I just love their honesty
@@vijaysemele perfectly said
I was really surprised when you showed the other reviewers comments… really disappointed that they defend Apple in that way, thank you to open the eye to all of us
So let's theorise for a second:
Let's say the M2 Air comes with 1 x 256gb chip and you can only upgrade one - would a 16gb RAM upgrade alone make enough difference? or should the SSD be prioritised over more RAM?
Interested in an answer as well :)
M1 with 16gb ram is the answer
For me I bought ram16 ssd256 because of how I’m using I try 8/512 and 16/256 on my job or what I’m doing 16/256 faster then 8/512 I work in online don’t use much transfer import export fire , yeah some LR + PS is still faster then 8/512 I think because of swapping ssd ram8 is not enough, but if I have to upgrade 16/512 I’ll choose pro14” better
The base model MacBook Air M2 is made for people who are not using the MacBook for hardcore photo and video editing. It works just fine for web browsing, non cpu and gpu intensive coding, and using Microsoft applications for business.This makes up the majority of people who buy Macs and the reason why the base model sells so well. The people who need a Mac for photo and video editing should just get the MacBook Pro 14 in because it is at a near identical price point (when its on sale) to the MacBook Air 512 gb SSD and 16 gb RAM.
So weird how the M1 machines destroyed expectations and the first M2 severely falls short of expectations. Did they change product manager?
More like accountants got back in charge and Apple fired all good bullets first time around.
Apple fanboys going all hard to defend Apple against MAXTECH with this disaster of a base model M2 MB pro calling it “you won’t see much of a difference in real life use” are being cults/sheeps. Max as an Apple fan did a great job exposing Apple dirty business tactics through real life test stats, this is what I call a genuine reviewer, no bias
This review was really helpful to decide which to buy if trying to consider the 8gb RAM
I watch a lot of these type videos from all YTubers, but this guy get my subscription! Good work mate! Truly helps me make a final decision!
you guys are doing a great job! helpful for buying products (especially products)
I think apple does all this just to give YT more content, I disagree regarding the base model. These geeked out spec times and comparisons are for "creative pros", if that's the case just get a loaded Pro model because if you're a pro you in the business of making money doing professional content. The base model is fine if you're doing anything, even these labor intensive programs and more, because at the end of the day anyone looking for the basic Macbook is NOT going to be using this computer like your tests, greatly appreciate the info and effort you put into this, but it's just all relative to individual use.
It’s a MacBook PRO and you “can’t” multitask on the base model 😱
In southeast asian countries, 16GBs models are so hard to find btw. Literally everyone uses the 8GB models.
You do a good, honest job. No reason for you to change your methods.
I spent 50 years developing and testing advanced equipment, especially lab gear.
This is one of the best videos you've produced...yet! Max is the best; should be on camera more often vs others.
Yeah, the titles are clickbaity and it irks me sometimes, but the content does deliver. I’m not sure there’s others here on TH-cam that do comparisons as well as you. Keep up the good work.
Really appreciate your exhaustive thorough analysis. Glad to hear you are calling it done. Get some rest, take a good break, don't let yourselves get burned out.
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It would be interesting if the same 256/512 SSD performance will happen on m2 MBA.
If you can afford the 16Gb buy it. Extra memory doesn't use much power and eliminates swap caching that slows the machine. For video viewing and common office tasks, 8GB is more than adequate. When watching gaming specifications, I notice that games don't use CPU memory, they rely on GPU memory and CPU performance.
What about the “new” old base M1 MBA? Does that still have two 128GB SSD modules? It would be interesting to know if Apple is no longer using any 128GB SSD modules on any current MacBook
Love it, truthful thumbnails, field tested claims. This channel is no scam
Thank you very much for the video. Wow that is crazy how much better the 512gig is doing over the 256gig. Ridiculous how Apple took a short cut on their ram to swap to single density. That just seems so wrong that Apple would do their customers even like me like that.
I’ve spent thousands of pounds on apple products and this has really fucked me off! Don’t think I’ll ever trust apple again. I’m so angry. My MacBook is brand new and this happened. It’s in being repaired but I actually don’t want it anymore
*how does the 512GB 8GB ram 13" M2 results, compare with the 512GB 16GB ram version you tested last time?*
*also I want to see 512GB/8GB Vs 256GB/16GB.*
Always doubt good tests sir. Keep em up.
Can you check MacBook Mro M2 16g ram but 256G storage ???
I think we all watched the last video and bought the 16gb ram with 256G storage 🤦♀️
Ya better off getting External Hardrive bought one at GameStop. Hopefully this helps, because I don’t want to wait 5mins for downloads…
yes plz #maxtech
The problem is single 256gb ssd slower than two 128gb ssd
Even macbook have 64gb ram but if its has only single 256gb ssd the speed still slow
This sort of stuff happens when u have a guy running Apple who's number one concern is huge profit margins. Everything else comes second.
I am forced to switch from Windows to MacOS and decided to wait for the M2 MacBook AIr. Is it likely that it will have a slow SSD on the 256GB model too and only the 512GB model will have the fast speeds? Because if that should be the case I would be forced to spend another 200$ for the storage upgrade, and since I already upgraded from 8 to 16gb of RAM this would get it to $1,7k, making the 14" 2021 M1 Pro MacBook Pro a much better choice. In that case only the M2 MacBook Air base model would make sense in terms of price to performance ratio. Waiting for the M2 Pro MacBook Pro is not an option for me.
Well switching back to windows is a far better choice and cost effective better windows laptop are available for cheaper or atleast just as much. Have a good day.
just buy m1 with 16gb ram to same price
By far, this is the most informative tech channel and you guys show all the situations that I would like my future MacBook to use. Keep it up!! 👍
I’ve been subbed for like a year , and steadily has become one of my favorite channels above other tech/apple channels. It’s to the point , good observations , and tell you the smart option and the best option depending on what you need . Keep doing you . I wonder what your comparisons will be with the m2 air vs this m2 and maybe even vs the base m1 air .
The slower SSD only proves that 8GB is less than the minimum anyone should consider. Swapping has never been a good substitute for having enough RAM.
Which is absolutely ridiculous for a machine that has a "pro" label and starts at $1299 (and more with tax and in other countries)
Had anyone tested the 1TB M2 MacBook Pro? From what I have heard is that MacBook only has 1 SSD chip in it which will mean slower speeds.
From where? I thought the verge had a 1TB model and didn’t have any issues
Bravo Max Tech - as always: in-depth, fact based and no sugarcoating of results.
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16/256 vs 8/512 ? Which configuration will give better performance?
Thank You. Waiting for your MacBook Air videos before I buy. This video was awesome.
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Your intimate knowledge on Apple machines; your objective and thorough tests; your ease of explanation make your channel special. Your knowledge of Android is not as helpful so comparisons are not always as exact; however, comparing Apple to Apple there is no one better. I have made Apple purchases based on your videos and been very happy every time. 😊
Thanks for this test! I was about to buy the base M2, would you recommend the base m1 instead? Since it has a faster ssd?
Would it be safe to assume that the 16GB/256 and 16GB/512 would have the exact same results? Really worried about getting the 16/256 M2 Air now.
The m2 air technically should be the same thing. It doesn't have a fan to cool it because it is all passive cooling. I went from black m2 air hype to ouf. They cucked it so much might as well just buy a m1 pro 14' and get the miniLED display lol.
Hello, are you happy using Mac air m2? Is the amount of ram and ssd enough? I will use it for software
I am getting roughly around ~3300 read speeds on the 16gb / 512gb
The best way is M2 + 512 + 16RAM, but in that case better to take M1 Pro (14'')
Did not really like the comment from Gary - The Everyday Dad while his own content is extremely repetitive, incl ordering a bunch of crap accessories, ecosystem videos, apple refurb, and thats about sums it up! These synthetic benchmarks do provide some insight into a product and when corroborated by a bunch of them as well as real life testing as set up by Max Tech, do help put into context the performance of a device (ofc not for each use case). Max Tech was the first to take apart the STUDIO!
Max Tech are honestly the only reviewers I watch to show precise data. Many other reviewers generalize everything which can leave out important details. Some just ignore data all together.
Great vid. Let’s hope they don’t destroy the M2MBA this way cause this is crazy. True that Apple’s been scamming customers for years with the apple tax and hardware overpricing but it seems to have gotten way out of control this year. Gonna keep my M1MBA forever lol
There is no way a lesser model will get better components than a "pro" model. Well, regardless whether this SSDgate issue exists or not, you should not be upgrading your M1 this year anyway, unless you want to prove that you are a spoiled first world rich person.
@@gigihanmandarin its not an “lesser” model… the air is actually dimensions better and apple knows it, I thing this “pro” laptop is just a placeholder for an upgraded version, so I think apple has saved up some good ssd’s for the air
@@elytiis_th we will know for sure in two week's time.
I just bought the 512 version today because it was $1299 since the M2 Pro just came out a few days ago.
How’s the performance so far?
You always go above and beyond with your reviews! I am still surprised Apple even offered this, it’s an odd fit in the lineup… I hope the rest of the updated Macs carry the great momentum started with the M1!
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That is shocking, $2 for a NAND chip. For goodness sake Apple, just stick two in and make the base model 512GB. It is not worth the bad press.
Exactly, with the price hikes it would have been the perfect time to start transitioning to base to 512GB
The question is, does this problem scale up for larger SSD?
Meaning, is the 1T SSD a double 512 or a single slot, duplicating the problems of the 256 and thus requiring a 2T?!
The 1TB SSD should have a larger cache but same read/write speeds as the 512 SSD. So file transfers should be better which it already is on the 512 model, rest should be pretty much same.
You guys do the BEST job of any apple tech reviewer out there! Your videos answer all the right questions and more because they are so detailed and thorough.
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SO MANY TROLLS IN THESE REPLIES- is anyone monitoring them?? they always say “i have something for you” 🙄 it’s super annoying!
$2 wholesale cost for the 256gb SSD and Apple charge $200. It’s absolutely scandalous that this is allowed. Price gouging on an epic scale.
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Disgusting business practices.
Great job, you guys bring the facts and the real world examples. This clearly shows that you are reviewers as opposed to influencers.
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Great video, thanks! Have you considered unplugging the fan of the M2 MBP to test how the air will perform?
I own a 27" 5k iMac from 2017 - It has this Fusion Drive of 1 Terrabyte with only 32 gigs of SSD. It is painfully slow for photo editing, I think even the base model of the M2 would be a huge jump up. I do not want to spend too much money. But I am curios if 8 Gigs of Ram are enough, when you use Lightroom and Photoshop simultanliously, without having no other apps open. What is crazy, is that even the 512gb model of the m2 is much slower using swap than the m1 using swap, that is even worse than only having slower ssd for file transfer and export, because it makes a real world difference. A very good video and thanks for covering that issue with the slow ssds.
From this video I can work out that the M2 MacBook Air is going to be a massive disappointment as it will likely have the same SSD issue and won’t have active cooling so will be throttled and the M1 will perform better over more tests
It's clearly a bit of a scandal - Apple's base storage option being half storage that's lower performance. We pay so much for Apple Kit because we expect it's going to be "the best" and faster than the previous model. Apple needs to be transparent and explain under what circumstances these base-level computers are going to be faster, and slower.
Reminds me of the first MacBook I got - the M1 Macbook Pro 13-inch with 8GB RAM / 256GB Storage. For my work (no video editing, large files or heavy computation - just need a lot of browser windows open, a remote support tool, and Outlook/email), it was fine... until it wasn't. After half a day of work, there wouldn't be enough RAM. It would start to swap to the SSD, and slow down MASSIVELY. Performance would fall off a cliff! Switching between open apps would increase to several seconds, sometimes more than 30; Opening new apps would get unusably slow; I'd get the spinning ball even within an app. It was just no good for my work pattern at all. I switched to a Macbook Pro 14 inch with 16GB RAM and 1TB storage.
What a difference! I *never* get those slowdowns. It just switches instantly between all my open apps without so much as a stutter - even with parallels running occasionally. It literally just keeps running with no problems whatsoever!
The problem with computer performance is it's very dependent on the user's particular workflow and work pattern, and it can be slightly subjective. The other problem with computer performance is the 'falling-off-a-cliff' effect. It can be absolutely fine and it takes just one more app, or one more browser tab -- and there's suddenly not enough RAM, and swapping can bring the performance crashing down. In many real-life situations, you won't be able to tell the difference between a 5000-MB per second write speed and a 2500-MB per second write speed, but that, combined with lower RAM capacities can make all the difference.
In the end, I gave my 8MB 13 inch model to my daughter, whose usage is much lighter, and she has had no problems whatsoever. Note: that was really as a replacement for her MacBook Air from 2013 that I left on top of my car and drove off with! It suffered a screen problem after I retrieved it later from the middle of a busy road junction 🙂
Thank you guys for being honest and doing these tests. I hope this eats into the sales of this product - Apple needs to know that they will be called out on their BS. Super curious to see if this will be the case for the m2 Air as well.
I agree with you, these macs are already expensive , 90% of people will buy base model.
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Mad respect to you guys for your transparency... Don't be a tool like 90% of all other Apple channels. It's the reason why you're the only channel i trust.
Thank you very much for revealing the dark side of apples strategy. I really appreciate you guys taking so much time testing and reviewing between different specs.
I can’t wait till you guys pick up the Mac airs.
I’m still contemplating if I should get the 16gb 256 or 512.
I am contemplating if I should get Mac at all. Way to hard to pick up a good one for me and pricing is crazy
@@lormitto I agree. But I also watched Max’s dell xps and mac comparison. Mac is still a better option for me. I’ll wait for the mac air.
@@adamchan968 I am still wondering if air m2 would work for me. However when I start adding more RAM and SSD the price runs so high that you can get decent gaming laptop (i know, hard to travel with) that will run everything you can think of (except Apple software ;) )
@@lormitto ya… it’s a rip off. It’s a shame that apple is doing us like this this time.
Ima get the 10 core and 16gb only. I’m not upgrading the hard drive. I edit quite a bit of videos and photos. So I guess I’ll just close all the other applications when I render videos 😂
@@adamchan968 :) makes sense, this is cheap piece of hardware ;)
I will subscribe if you do the SSDs test on the M2 Macbook Air
Love your work. You guys are honest and will actually show Apple truths no matter good or bad.
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This testing reveals important info for potential buyers to consider. But, it falls in line with common knowledge since the beginning of the computer age. Max out RAM and hard drive capacity and you get faster operation for any given CPU.
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I have been watching every possible reviewer on TH-cam for 15 years now and you have become the one and only channel I trust when it comes to detailed performance and breakdown of internals along with any other changes manufacturers are making over the years. So many TH-cam reviews are pretty much like ads these days but your content dives so much deeper and it's been essential in helping me decide on my next products. Keep up the great work and please continue with these detailed videos as it gives more power to the consumer and its valuable information we all should know.
Thank you thank you thank you guys!!! This is really informative. And about the haters, doubters & naysayers, good journalists never ever care, in fact it actually shows that you're getting their attention with your reporting. Absolutely awesome & keep up the great great work you've all been doing for years now.
I'm also just wondering...do you think the new batch of M1 macbook airs that Apple just bumped up the prices on will also now come with just a single NAND chip for the base model??? That would have HUGE implications when recommending those wouldn't it?! Perhaps you guys can purchase one of the new M1 MBA base 256gb model & open it up?
Thanks! This really helps. I almost buy the M2 Mackbook air M2 base 8GB Ram. Now I think I'll just go for the M1 MacBook Pro 14"
Why would anyone defend Apple ? Are they getting paid ?
Max you’re doing some proper reviewing!
Excellent coverage as always, thank you for your honesty in bringing this to light. Would you still recommend the base MacBook Air M1 8gb 256 for those of us getting into the Mac ecosystem now or waiting for the M2 air that may exhibit the same issue?
The real question is whether newly manufactured 2020 mba m1 also has one 256 nand.
@@mk1111 maybe buying used or refurbished is the way to go, if the new one has one 256 nand
Best channel for proper consumer information! I love how you guys do things!
This is the best channel 👍👍👍👍👍
“Even the $600 iPad Air” 👏👏👏👏👏 GREAT VIDEO side note makes me feel AMAZING about my m1 MacBook Pro which I picked up used for just $700 and connected to an apple Thunderbolt Display + magic keyboard and mouse, anything to get off of Intel while they continue to roll out the new Macs (impatiently waiting for the iMac Pro)!!!
Just don't buy the M2 MacBook Pro 👎 🤮
These videos are the reason why I subscribed to this channel. The amount of reply value these videos have when deciding on a Mac purchase is beyond what anyone else in this space on TH-cam is offering. Keep up the great work guys!
Thank you for doing these in depth tests! I know when we see a 15 minute video that is hours hours of work for you guys. So really appreciate for doing this for enlightening us about issues and good points of new macbooks.
all i can say is you guys are amazing you doing your best all the time i watching you videos
i follow your channel for this kind of content--precise and objective reviews, no bs consumer advice. Great job as always!
I love your content. I am sorry that some people get upset that you reveal these potential issues. I love how deep you dive into these machines. I will always watch your videos before I buy an Apple device. Please keep the content coming, weather it is about this, or some other topic.
Incredibly thorough testing. THANK YOU MAX for your time!
To conclude, is this the buying advice for a weekend warrior Lightroom / Davinci user?
* High budget = buy the 14" MBP w / 16GB /512 , $1800 on sale ( $1700 Apple employee disc);
* Lower budget = buy the M1 Air w / 16GB/ 512, $1229 refurbished;
* Lower budget = M1air base 8GB/256, $850 on sale / refurbished
I can get 14" w/ Employee disc for $1700 , but that extra $$ tough to justify for a weekend warrior, right?
I’m a hardcore video editor and I rely on your channel for these data. Thanks so much.
Great video as always. That SSD issue is baffling to me because I waited for this model. I’m still getting it tho.