This scene is a cinematic piece of art that gives us the perfect example of many of the conflicts still happening all around the world today. An example of how much people can be affected by religion, of how there are different kinds of believers, of how some people who are (sadly) insanely fanatic absolutely cannot tolerate to share society with anyone who are of a different oppinion, and it's unbelievable that it still is this way. If only people could just be satisfied with knowing that they believe instead of needing to force their belief upon others. A thing that I really love about this movie is that it shows so many nuances. Even though the Christians are the antagonistic characters in general, the movie shows that there are good people among them too. Religion on its own is not powerful until people give it that much power, and it can bring out the best in some people, though it also brings out the absolute worst in others. It's the believer and not the belief itself that is dangerous.
Exactly , I'm a follower of Jesus and me seeing all that this ignorance of them destroying one another , hapatia being killed angered me a lot she very a very unique and intelligent woman one of a kind and it was such a waste to see her die and all the wisdom and knowledge get destroyed and the beautiful city of Alexandria a beacon of enlightenment in the world fall apart , it doesn't have to be this way we can thrive to do better and prosper together, if Jesus was in Alexandria he would of been very interested to talk to hapatia on how unique she is and how she seems the truth in things
It amazes me that Christianity was not invented by Jesus and the Bible was not written by Jesus instead written 40 years after his death by some that knew someone that knew Jesus. As far as I am concerned his image is being used to manipulate the masses. What is scary is how violent the fanatics are. This applies to all fanatics of all faiths. They should be kept under control for the safety of your women and your scientists. Scary stuff...
Most of the Bibkle was written before Jesus was born, and the Bulk of The New testament was not written 40 Years later, but much closer, such as Paul's Epistles.
The Gospels were written by apostles and close associates of the apostles. And the LORD JESUS says that the HOLY SPIRIT will teach them and remind them of everything He has said to them: The LORD JESUS says: "I have said this to you while I am still with you; but the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have said to you." (John 14:25-26) The Bible, the Word of GOD, also does not tell us that it was written by GOD, but by people, but these people are true of GOD's chosen, holy, men of GOD and prophets, who were baptized and inspired with the HOLY SPIRIT, and all that they , speaking in the name of the LORD and writing, GOD entered and breathed into them. From the first letter to the last, the Bible is the infallible Word of the living GOD: (2 Timothy 3:16) "All writing is inspired by God (Greek Theopneustos GOD-breathed i.e. breathed in by GOD). (2 Peter 1:20-21) "In doing so, you should recognize above all that no prophecy of Scripture is of arbitrary interpretation. For no prophecy was ever brought about by human will, but the holy people of God, driven by the Holy Spirit, spoke." The word of GOD is completely free of dross, i.e. completely pure and infallible: (Psalm 12:7) "The words of the Lord are pure words, silver melted in an earthen crucible, refined seven times." And the Word of GOD the Bible is still valid today: (Matthew 24:35) The LORD JESUS says: "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." The Apostle Peter says: "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:16-21)
It is true that much of the bible was manipulated for political gain. Rome wanted to remain in power which is why they killed and exiled Christ’s apostles. But I do believe Jesus lived and preached to the masses and nobody could explain how he resurrected. The prophecies of a the Lamb written hundreds of years before he walked the earth were fulfilled in him.
Bütün dinler, nedense Ortadoğu coğrafyasından çıkmış o gün bu gündür bu coğrafyada kan ve gözyaşı hiç dinmemiş. Sonraları yayıldığı coğrafyalara da kana bulaşmıştır. Din afyondur.
@Mo19911: I had this as an avi-file and then used Kate's Video Cutter to cut and save the scene. I think it is freeware so you should be able to download it. :) I am however pretty useless when it comes to saving little scenes from my DVDs. There does not seem to be a quick and easy way to do that.
@Briiiightside: Hehe, he is indeed. The film is pretty good and a bit disturbing as well (there is something about religiously motivated hate and violence that is.. ugh, it makes me sick) but even if the topic is not you thing you can still enjoy the beautiful constumes, settings and the fine cast. :)
@happyhammer93: You're right, he was the guy from the beginning but he didn't die a bit, he was definitely killed (the scene where they carry him off in a cart). In reality pretty much the same happened though I am not sure how exactely he was executed.
I like movies, it's the best way to tell a story!.. one point here priests of Alexandria didn't use black colors in this time period however, it is good metaphorically.
@ImaginedWriter: Okay, thanks and I agree with you. Just make sure you address the person you are replying to because otherwise people don't know who you mean and the discussion becomes confusing. ;)
@Trampadoo I was just being silly, because they were yelling 'Kneel' at him, but he was saying he was a Christian, both of those are names (Where I come from at least) and so I was making a joke.. but it wasn't very funny. haha. :P
@emekonen: Cyril and his dad were both nasty pieces of work so this storyline is not required to make them look bad. But I noticed you call him St Cyril, something even many christians nowadays are not too proud of..
@ImaginedWriter It was functioning, but it never fully recovered. That's why I said Caesar AND time. No 1 really knows when it fully died, but they know for a fact it was long before the destruction of the Serapeum. Also, while it's true the Serapeum had a library at 1 time, it didn't have 1 when it was destroyed.
That monk who threw the first stone, he was the one at the beginning of the movie who was preaching and who walked across the burning coals wasn't he? And was he the one who died a bit after this, and if so how did he actually die, I wasn't sure where it happened?
Reason and enlightenment is the exception for humanity. Superstition and fear is the norm. I'm certain there was a Jesus from Nazareth who once spoke of loving thy neighbor and showing compassion. Love was his message, not hate and intolerance
@emekonen: Wow, you are clearly a christian apologist and Cyril fanboy. XD He practiaclly installed a theocracy in Alexandria. I find it remarkeble that you support a guy who called Ammonius a matyr for attempting to kill a secular authority. ^_^
Oresrtese was not a Secular Authority. At least bnot by todays Standards. Also, Cyrils actions were in responce to VIolence agaisnt Christians that had already happened. Its not Like he just decided to Kill for Jesus for no Reason.
That s a very depressing scene if you live in a country ruled by right wing religious fascists .. the scene is still alive in our modern time unfortunately
>insert right wing religious fascists why? Do you suppose that fascism can't be left wing? Oh I forgot, the definition was changed by the publishing houses after 2009, when this film came out. Might want to check that out... And the status quo is uncritically left. Just read the book of Acts. Unless freedom to debate or freedom of speech is restored, church and state will merge again. But that is what someone of a left-leaning disposition, such as yourself, would want..
@ivaflimkien: Actually we don't know what happened to provoke the socalled massacre on Christians, for which we do not have any non-Christian reliable sources anyway. We simply don't even know what happened. And Orestes refusal to succup to Cyril who was constantly undermining his authority and causing disunity between Pagans, Jews and Christians, did in no way justify the attampted stoning.
I suspect that Non-Christian Soruces are reliable even if they talk of themselves. Christian Soruces are only Unreliable because they are Christian, of course.
Actually, the Pharisees (Jewish Leaders) were going to stone the women caught in Adultery. Jesus stood in front of them and said “Let who has no sin...cast the first stone”. They dropped all stones and walked away. Jesus helped her up. Religion accuses and kills. Jesus heals and Loves. Jesus is the face and leader of Christianity not men with evil hearts and religious systems. Jesus was all about Love not Hate.
And the same Jesus also is the one who said "I came not to give peace but to give blood...", but you just pick and choose whatever makes you feel comfortable with your beliefs.
@@krimo5700 - The actual quote is, I came not to bring peace but a Sword. If You can't even get the quote Right, don't pretend to know what it means. Also, Jesus was not talking about Killing his enemies. He was simply saying his message would be contraversial. Taking every single sentence Literally makes Rading anything impossible.
@ivaflimkien: Well, Cyril is regarded as very questionable even among Christians. He was a zealot, a very intelligent one for sure, but surely not someone who should be regarded as a saint when it comes to the teaching of love, peace and unity. And miracles don't happen. ;)
@emekonen The onus of proof is on you. As Christianity rose the dark ages began and just as religion faded and receded enlightenment began .....bring on religions fall it cant come soon enough! And thats the fact!
Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands, without anger or dissension. Likewise, I want the women to adorn themselves with respectable apparel, with modesty, and with self-control, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, as is proper for women who profess to worship God. A woman must learn in quietness and full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet. 1 Timothy 2:8-12 BSB
@ivaflimkien: There is no prove other than a Christian source that was pretty biased towards the Jews. ;) And both Cyril and his uncle were working towards getting rid of any religion (even fellow Christians of other teachings) so it is unlikely an attack by the Jews, if it even happened, did not occur out of thin air. Personally I would be very careful about calling anything prove if it is only told by one source that naturally had to be biased towards the allerged "villains".
@emekonen: *yawn* We all know that the historial stuff about Orestes vs Cyril and Cyril riling his zombies up to get him killed was connected with Hypatia in the movie to form a more coherent story.
@ivaflimkien: Oh dear, I should have noticed you are a crazy Christian... There is no arguing with people who believe in this nonsense. And please don't call me a child of God. Thanks.
This comment section gives me cancer... So much hate and historically inaccurate anti-christian propaganda. Saint Cyril was great, learned scholar and theologian from Alexandrian School who joined Biblical ideas with Greek philosophy. And Hypatia was killed in lynch and not because she was scientist but because she was influential pagan. Alexandria was very tense with political and religious conflicts. Many contemporary Christians critisized this act. Science was not Church priority, but She still helped develop it through history. Earlier famous Christian scholar Origen of Alexandria was studying neo-platonism with Plotinus. Later there where pro-science thinkers like Augustine of Hippo, Isidore of Seville and John Philoponus. Not to mention later schools and personas form Middle Ages and Modern Era.
All what you said happened in an era of Chaos and interfighting, not only with non-Christians but between Christians too, you are not gonna sit here and name these figures without mentioning how controversial they were to each other, without mentioning that Pre Seven Ecumenical Councils, there were Christian scholars calling each other heretics for every little thing. You are not gonna pretend in the early days of Christianity you didnt have Tertullian and Origenes at each other's throats, every other Alexandrian Patriarch being declared heretic by the Patriarch at Constantinople before the Council of Chalcedon formalized divinity and humanity of Christ, that half of Eastern Christians refused said council and were branded heretics, that Monothelites, Monophysites, and Miaphysites were killing each other on the streets. It took time, and bloodshed for Christianity to shed its militancy roots of Pre-Council.
... The practice of stoning not a part of the teachings of Yeshua or the early Christian church. When some Jewish men desired to stone a woman caught in adultery, Yesua taught: let him who is without sin cast the first stone. (No one cast the first stone.) ...
@emekonen: "Cyril did not install a theocracy lol." Er, yes he did. "Let me guess, you got all your history from the book "Hypatia"?" No, I am a master of conservation of art with focus on Egyotology. I read actual scientific papers. Why would I take the side of a religious demagoge who continued is family's track record of religious introlerance?
@crzylkfx: The point is that christians during that time destroyed pagan temples and banned scientific literature. The point is also that even many distructions throught the Romans were initiated by Christians who the Romans wanted to pacify. For the Romans it was mainly about keeping the christans, yews and pagans in check. And be careful with "knowing for a fact". We have different accounts and we have no idea if they are based on older accounts that are often politically motivated.
@emekonen: "armchair historians" So when did you analyse and do conservation work on your last ptolemaic mummy mask and held a talk about it in front of some of the top Egyptologists of Europe? ^_^ I see you are a Cyril and uncle fanboy and don't consider his successful efford to surpress or rather chase out all other religions, even including other denominations of his own religion out of this little kingdom as negative. The guy was an intolerant tyrant.
so why are usuall classical hollywood films portraying Christians only favorably called as historical?They are also not providing real but only idealized history.
@@sane4553 well, maybe I was to harsh - it's "historical drama", yes. What I meant was - it's not history 1:1, it's not documentary. It's based in historical setting, some characters really existed etc. I think my comment was an answer to really aggresive comment towards christians. @paprskomet you are right, some movies idealize christians or other groups of people
You should learn some history yourself before you accuse someone other.We don't know exactly when the great Library was destroyed.Street fighting during Alexandrian war of Julius Caesar really made great damage to it but library and its books were not completely destroyed back then.The remainder was destroyed by Christians as this movie shows at the end of 4th century or (and finally)by Arab conquerors in 7th century AD...also for religious reasons :-(
Severus of Antioch I do kind of agree that painting st. Cyril as a villain wouldn't have had much of a movie without villians. This time it was christians. so I'm sure they took artistic license however I don't think that the whole religious sect of the United States has any right to ban the movie for everybody else in this country.
@magiciankevin Lmao you know nothing of Christianity. When Eva ate the apple first and gave it to Adam God said that she will be the slave of the man. Mary was DIFFERENT of all women, because she born God and all her life she was a Virgin, untill she died on her 64th in Jerusalem.
It's not coinsedance that history freezed these epic moments in nations life .. it marks the armed-state-civilians severe unbalancing where higher decisions has been taken.. to turn the game upsidedown.
Religion is a good thing and it's pure context however it fell in the hand of man and man contorts distorts and kurupts it for their own personal needs that's why all religions have such a dark side at one point in history. This is a good movie.
We Pagans rejoice in our persecution. We are the True God Believers and Knowers. The Real Only God(s) Will have Their Vengence and destroy their false god yahweh and lies from him a devil.
He was wrong not to have knelt but shouldve been disciplined in a hearing board instead of being stoned. I watched this scene at 15 while at the same time frame watching and believing CNN. I just knew even back then that if words were read from bible that they were true and were worthy of obedience. The priest quotes 1 Timothy 2:11. If that's what it says then I agree with it. I just knew the supposed 'baptised Christian Roman" was wrong.
Tsk tsk, still making apologies for a christian tyrant? ^_^ I never read the Hypatia novel and it is completely irrelevant when it comes to Cyril's evilness. In your case I would me worried about why you are so keen to devend a monster like him? Oh wait, you are an coptic looney who worships "saints" and defends religious tyrants just because they are part of your religion. Pretty much like some looney catholics defending their church, so don't worry, I understand you. *pats* :)
@emekonen But what does concern me is the burning of the library of Alexandria by religious fanatics and the damage that this caused mankind. Fanatics under Cryils charge. For this reason Cryil is one of history's great losers and should be treated with the contempt that he deserves.... You sound like one of those people that believes the dark ages never existed lol!
@@skwills1629 Aristarchus. Plato Aristotle. The many other documented accounts are just made up. Maybe alexander the great didn't exist either I suppose too... lol!
@@skwills1629 The dark ages and the middle ages are not the same time period! Looks like your time spent at school was a time of stagnation and ignorance!
You have yet to bring forth a single shred of evidence yourself. All you got is biased blind support of the "saint" of your church. In other words, no matter what he did, you will view it in a positive light. Pretty much like all brainwashed theists do.
And all you got is a biased blind hatred for the great Saint Cyril of Alexandria, In other words, no matter he did, you will continually cope and seethe at him, because you are a brainwashed atheist who gets his history from comic books and video games.
Your religion-bashing, erring on hate speech, has in it's initial principles "values" not too dissimilar to what you are denigrating here. People who call themselves "Christian" aren't necessarily being good Christians just because they say they are. To judge an entire group because of actions that the majority would condemn is just plain bigoted. It's like thinking all Muslims are terrorists or all black people criminals. No one thinks the actions here are very Christian. Socrates Scholasticus points out even as Hypatia's contemporary how un-Christian the actions of these people was. Christ taught forgiveness, tolerance, and the famous "let him without sin cast the first stone". If you think what's shown here are the moralities of the Christian faith laid bare, you are quite simply ignorant of what those are. Those may not be for me, or you, but having a go at people for valuing something that is primarily about love and forgiveness is utterly nonsensical. Good people who have faith are probably even more pissed off by this sort of stuff than you are. American Evangelicals, Bible-Bashers, Creationists and the Westboro Baptist Church do not an accurate picture of religion make. Perhaps focus your energy on figuring out how you wish to live your life instead of joining with the hate groups and spitting on others for what they want to believe when that doesn't impact you. "Christianity summed up in 5 minutes. XD" How mature. XD
Of course not everybody is like that but you can't deny that in the past religious fanatics have committed too many atrocious acts "in the name of God" to ignore
auscaliber1 but it does impact us in so many ways you cant see until you leave it. Its not people im angry at. Im mostly angry that anyone thinks the bible is a decent book to base your life and especially to raise children on.
Why everybody think the religions are direct masseges from the prophets? Jesus. Mohammed. Moses (He is an exuse, because he invent genocide). Jesus never speaks about Priestes and Churches, He more like a hippy and not a conservative. Mohammed want to make a religion what is part of everybody, and He never mention about religios war or something. Of course that time Arabia large part are non-Muslim, that was the reason of the war, but He speaks about the Christians and a Jews as brothers and sisters of the Muslims. The two most large religion in the World is not based on the worlds of God or "the" Scipt. The religions based on the antcient traditions. Based on the Pagan Arabic traditions, Jewis traditions and Roman and German traditions. On the Middle-East the people are violance, because come from a violance culture. The religions don't make enything different.
Honey no religion is bad, be it Hindu, Christian, Islam, Jew, Buddhism, all of this religion talk about peace. It is the evil extremist humans that ruin it.
This scene is a cinematic piece of art that gives us the perfect example of many of the conflicts still happening all around the world today. An example of how much people can be affected by religion, of how there are different kinds of believers, of how some people who are (sadly) insanely fanatic absolutely cannot tolerate to share society with anyone who are of a different oppinion, and it's unbelievable that it still is this way. If only people could just be satisfied with knowing that they believe instead of needing to force their belief upon others.
A thing that I really love about this movie is that it shows so many nuances. Even though the Christians are the antagonistic characters in general, the movie shows that there are good people among them too. Religion on its own is not powerful until people give it that much power, and it can bring out the best in some people, though it also brings out the absolute worst in others. It's the believer and not the belief itself that is dangerous.
Exactly , I'm a follower of Jesus and me seeing all that this ignorance of them destroying one another , hapatia being killed angered me a lot she very a very unique and intelligent woman one of a kind and it was such a waste to see her die and all the wisdom and knowledge get destroyed and the beautiful city of Alexandria a beacon of enlightenment in the world fall apart , it doesn't have to be this way we can thrive to do better and prosper together, if Jesus was in Alexandria he would of been very interested to talk to hapatia on how unique she is and how she seems the truth in things
The soldiers' armour is 500 years out of date.
Gotta wonder if the tear was for the threat to Hypatia or because he was beginning to suspect his "brother" Synesius betrayed him.
I really liked this movie.
I liked it but hated it.
John Wells I can relate to that...
John Wells
I know what you mean. It's great but disturbing.
A flop movie
I had to laugh so bad at the guy who shouted 'Is he not going to kneel?!', idk it just sounded so funny x'D
Kneel or get stoned. Nothing has changed over 2000 years.
@@markhenley3097 God shall not be mocked
Some funny stuff here for being a serious situation.
@@zlatni_orao this is true. Perhaps there is some comical truth behind it
Came here to discuss Isaacs' amazing acting (and maybe do a "bend the knee" joke), found only theologicians
This is one of my favorite scenes of all times
It amazes me that Christianity was not invented by Jesus and the Bible was not written by Jesus instead written 40 years after his death by some that knew someone that knew Jesus. As far as I am concerned his image is being used to manipulate the masses. What is scary is how violent the fanatics are. This applies to all fanatics of all faiths. They should be kept under control for the safety of your women and your scientists. Scary stuff...
Adri Ki The thing is to separate religion from politics. "Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar."
Most of the Bibkle was written before Jesus was born, and the Bulk of The New testament was not written 40 Years later, but much closer, such as Paul's Epistles.
The Gospels were written by apostles and close associates of the apostles. And the LORD JESUS says that the HOLY SPIRIT will teach them and remind them of everything He has said to them:
The LORD JESUS says:
"I have said this to you while I am still with you; but the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have said to you." (John 14:25-26)
The Bible, the Word of GOD, also does not tell us that it was written by GOD, but by people, but these people are true of GOD's chosen, holy, men of GOD and prophets, who were baptized and inspired with the HOLY SPIRIT, and all that they , speaking in the name of the LORD and writing, GOD entered and breathed into them.
From the first letter to the last, the Bible is the infallible Word of the living GOD:
(2 Timothy 3:16)
"All writing is inspired by God
(Greek Theopneustos GOD-breathed i.e. breathed in by GOD).
(2 Peter 1:20-21)
"In doing so, you should recognize above all that no prophecy of Scripture is of arbitrary interpretation.
For no prophecy was ever brought about by human will, but the holy people of God, driven by the Holy Spirit, spoke."
The word of GOD is completely free of dross, i.e. completely pure and infallible:
(Psalm 12:7)
"The words of the Lord are pure words, silver melted in an earthen crucible, refined seven times." And the Word of GOD the Bible is still valid today: (Matthew 24:35) The LORD JESUS says: "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."
The Apostle Peter says:
"For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:16-21)
It is true that much of the bible was manipulated for political gain. Rome wanted to remain in power which is why they killed and exiled Christ’s apostles.
But I do believe Jesus lived and preached to the masses and nobody could explain how he resurrected. The prophecies of a the Lamb written hundreds of years before he walked the earth were fulfilled in him.
Bütün dinler, nedense Ortadoğu coğrafyasından çıkmış o gün bu gündür bu coğrafyada kan ve gözyaşı hiç dinmemiş. Sonraları yayıldığı coğrafyalara da kana bulaşmıştır. Din afyondur.
Such a powerful scene.
Incredible scene.
And Incredibly false History.
Christianity was probably one of the worst things to happen to Rome.
No it wasnt, It expanded it and brought it under one faith
Nah. It was Rome wanting to remain in power by any means necessary that became their downfall.
Should have told Cyril that an Imperial Prefect only kneels to the Emperor.
This was a problem at the time the emperor was christen so technically it makes him under the church so they were more pussys at the time
@Mo19911: I had this as an avi-file and then used Kate's Video Cutter to cut and save the scene. I think it is freeware so you should be able to download it. :) I am however pretty useless when it comes to saving little scenes from my DVDs. There does not seem to be a quick and easy way to do that.
@Briiiightside: Hehe, he is indeed. The film is pretty good and a bit disturbing as well (there is something about religiously motivated hate and violence that is.. ugh, it makes me sick) but even if the topic is not you thing you can still enjoy the beautiful constumes, settings and the fine cast. :)
@emekonen I never mentioned Hypatia and in fact care little about it!
St. Cyril got that drip tho.
God bless brother
Which one is St. Cyril? With the black or white robes?
@@zlatni_orao black clothes with the hoods that has crosses
@happyhammer93: You're right, he was the guy from the beginning but he didn't die a bit, he was definitely killed (the scene where they carry him off in a cart). In reality pretty much the same happened though I am not sure how exactely he was executed.
I like movies, it's the best way to tell a story!.. one point here priests of Alexandria didn't use black colors in this time period however, it is good metaphorically.
@Briiiightside: Wutt? o_O Is that a play of words? ^_^
@ImaginedWriter: Okay, thanks and I agree with you. Just make sure you address the person you are replying to because otherwise people don't know who you mean and the discussion becomes confusing. ;)
@Trampadoo I was just being silly, because they were yelling 'Kneel' at him, but he was saying he was a Christian, both of those are names (Where I come from at least) and so I was making a joke.. but it wasn't very funny. haha. :P
@emekonen:
Cyril and his dad were both nasty pieces of work so this storyline is not required to make them look bad. But I noticed you call him St Cyril, something even many christians nowadays are not too proud of..
@ImaginedWriter It was functioning, but it never fully recovered. That's why I said Caesar AND time. No 1 really knows when it fully died, but they know for a fact it was long before the destruction of the Serapeum. Also, while it's true the Serapeum had a library at 1 time, it didn't have 1 when it was destroyed.
That monk who threw the first stone, he was the one at the beginning of the movie who was preaching and who walked across the burning coals wasn't he? And was he the one who died a bit after this, and if so how did he actually die, I wasn't sure where it happened?
happyhammer93 he was the one who walked on the fire. and he was captured after he stoned the prefect.
Is this bad if I laughed at 4:40 ?
Idk I also laughed at this bit as well xD
Hi, I been searching for a way to cut scenes from movies. How did you do that?
Thanks
@Briiiightside: Okay, then I got it right. And it was kind of funny actually. XD
Complete silence does not report the weather forecasts
Reason and enlightenment is the exception for humanity. Superstition and fear is the norm. I'm certain there was a Jesus from Nazareth who once spoke of loving thy neighbor and showing compassion. Love was his message, not hate and intolerance
Thosewho speak the most of Reason and Enlightenment spread the most Superstition and Fear. Atheists don't have a great track record.
Periodt ❤️
After the "enlightenment" happened, you had the highest degree of racial genocides and ethnic cleansings towards the modern period.
anyone here because of Moon Knight?
@emekonen:
Wow, you are clearly a christian apologist and Cyril fanboy. XD He practiaclly installed a theocracy in Alexandria. I find it remarkeble that you support a guy who called Ammonius a matyr for attempting to kill a secular authority. ^_^
Oresrtese was not a Secular Authority. At least bnot by todays Standards. Also, Cyrils actions were in responce to VIolence agaisnt Christians that had already happened. Its not Like he just decided to Kill for Jesus for no Reason.
St. Cyril was awesome, and theocracy is the best form of government.
Keep coping and seething.
@@realityisreality3581 The ideals of democracy has turned many countries degenerate
Based
@ImaginedWriter: What is untter bs? Please address the ppl who you call out.
@Trampadoo Haha thanks. :') I need to see this film anyway. Whatever his name is, he's mighty fine.
Great film
Based Christians
That s a very depressing scene if you live in a country ruled by right wing religious fascists .. the scene is still alive in our modern time unfortunately
Many Muslim countries
Excuse me what?
>insert right wing religious fascists
why? Do you suppose that fascism can't be left wing? Oh I forgot, the definition was changed by the publishing houses after 2009, when this film came out.
Might want to check that out...
And the status quo is uncritically left. Just read the book of Acts.
Unless freedom to debate or freedom of speech is restored, church and state will merge again. But that is what someone of a left-leaning disposition, such as yourself, would want..
@ivaflimkien: Actually we don't know what happened to provoke the socalled massacre on Christians, for which we do not have any non-Christian reliable sources anyway. We simply don't even know what happened. And Orestes refusal to succup to Cyril who was constantly undermining his authority and causing disunity between Pagans, Jews and Christians, did in no way justify the attampted stoning.
I suspect that Non-Christian Soruces are reliable even if they talk of themselves. Christian Soruces are only Unreliable because they are Christian, of course.
Actually, the Pharisees (Jewish Leaders) were going to stone the women caught in Adultery.
Jesus stood in front of them and said “Let who has no sin...cast the first stone”. They dropped all stones and walked away. Jesus helped her up. Religion accuses and kills. Jesus heals and Loves. Jesus is the face and leader of Christianity not men with evil hearts and religious systems. Jesus was all about Love not Hate.
Amen, you get it
And the same Jesus also is the one who said "I came not to give peace but to give blood...", but you just pick and choose whatever makes you feel comfortable with your beliefs.
@@krimo5700 - The actual quote is, I came not to bring peace but a Sword. If You can't even get the quote Right, don't pretend to know what it means.
Also, Jesus was not talking about Killing his enemies. He was simply saying his message would be contraversial. Taking every single sentence Literally makes Rading anything impossible.
Yes, Jesus was about love and forgiveness, but Christianity evolved and sadly was no longer about that.
@HistoryLover1550: No, he's not. Don't be so naive. ;)
We should have never stopped feeding them to the lions
Of course. And to justify this, we can use FIlms like Agora, which aren't remotely accurate, to cast them in a bad light.
The Pagans never did stop, they just got wiped out by Constantine and his family.
@@RemoveChink - Constantine did not wipe out "The pagans". People need to Learn actual History.
@@skwills1629 and his family, but it really went down to Theodosius
@@RemoveChink - No, it didn't. Theodosious didn't systematically Kill Pagans.
But paul didn't write this letter
@ivaflimkien: Well, Cyril is regarded as very questionable even among Christians. He was a zealot, a very intelligent one for sure, but surely not someone who should be regarded as a saint when it comes to the teaching of love, peace and unity. And miracles don't happen. ;)
The fact a zombie like you can string words together is itself a miracle, disproving your latter point.
I know how you feel. XD
So what is his name? Christian or Neil?
Why do they have modern Egyptian Arabic accents lol? This movie takes place in the fifth century
Look restricting cluster is an utmost priority to bring order not chaos to have peaceful devotion of Holy books to read and understand over fight
@emekonen The onus of proof is on you. As Christianity rose the dark ages began and just as religion faded and receded enlightenment began .....bring on religions fall it cant come soon enough! And thats the fact!
The Dark Ages is a Historical Myth. Also, The ROmans were nt Atheists.
@@skwills1629 indeed. It’s so hilarious to see self righteous internet atheists perpetuate this myth
Zzzzzz
@@TheCopticParabolanos who said i was an athiest?
I love St. Cyril
Based
Same
Godless revisionists will cope and seethe
It was burnt a few times. Learn yours! Reading is a good start!
Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands, without anger or dissension. Likewise, I want the women to adorn themselves with respectable apparel, with modesty, and with self-control, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, as is proper for women who profess to worship God. A woman must learn in quietness and full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet.
1 Timothy 2:8-12 BSB
Alexander is just a city that loves to riot
@ivaflimkien: There is no prove other than a Christian source that was pretty biased towards the Jews. ;) And both Cyril and his uncle were working towards getting rid of any religion (even fellow Christians of other teachings) so it is unlikely an attack by the Jews, if it even happened, did not occur out of thin air. Personally I would be very careful about calling anything prove if it is only told by one source that naturally had to be biased towards the allerged "villains".
Cuz they where Jews
@Trampadoo you removed my comment ? such bravery?
that's Jesse Watters right there..
this weird mix of seeing people in roman tunics speaking about christianity... weird weird
Don't worry Orestes, First Timothy was a forged epistle anyway.
No, it wasn't.
SK Wills Yes, it was.
Nope
Agora is a historical error
We never rejected Aristarchus' model, the Earth is round not flat! Papacy and Protestantism teach that fallacy
Based St. Cyril
@catholicmilitantUSA: I won't allow nonsensical religious ravings here. If you want to have a real discussion, go ahead. ;)
By Nonsensical Religious Ravings, You mean whatever disagrees with you.
Cope and seethe
Cyril is my favorite ancient theologian.
You have shitty taste.
Same, he was a great mind and a great man
😒
@emekonen:
*yawn* We all know that the historial stuff about Orestes vs Cyril and Cyril riling his zombies up to get him killed was connected with Hypatia in the movie to form a more coherent story.
Until Galileo put an end to religious dogmatism
@ivaflimkien: Oh dear, I should have noticed you are a crazy Christian... There is no arguing with people who believe in this nonsense. And please don't call me a child of God. Thanks.
This comment section gives me cancer... So much hate and historically inaccurate anti-christian propaganda.
Saint Cyril was great, learned scholar and theologian from Alexandrian School who joined Biblical ideas with Greek philosophy. And Hypatia was killed in lynch and not because she was scientist but because she was influential pagan. Alexandria was very tense with political and religious conflicts. Many contemporary Christians critisized this act. Science was not Church priority, but She still helped develop it through history. Earlier famous Christian scholar Origen of Alexandria was studying neo-platonism with Plotinus. Later there where pro-science thinkers like Augustine of Hippo, Isidore of Seville and John Philoponus. Not to mention later schools and personas form Middle Ages and Modern Era.
All what you said happened in an era of Chaos and interfighting, not only with non-Christians but between Christians too, you are not gonna sit here and name these figures without mentioning how controversial they were to each other, without mentioning that Pre Seven Ecumenical Councils, there were Christian scholars calling each other heretics for every little thing. You are not gonna pretend in the early days of Christianity you didnt have Tertullian and Origenes at each other's throats, every other Alexandrian Patriarch being declared heretic by the Patriarch at Constantinople before the Council of Chalcedon formalized divinity and humanity of Christ, that half of Eastern Christians refused said council and were branded heretics, that Monothelites, Monophysites, and Miaphysites were killing each other on the streets.
It took time, and bloodshed for Christianity to shed its militancy roots of Pre-Council.
... The practice of stoning not a part of the teachings of Yeshua or the early Christian church. When some Jewish men desired to stone a woman caught in adultery, Yesua taught: let him who is without sin cast the first stone. (No one cast the first stone.) ...
Clearly....culture is king
Nah, J.C. didn't trust those twelve, he loved them very much. But trust? Not a chance PLEASE! LOl hahahhahahahaha
good film.must see it
Why do Yiou say that? Most seem to enjoy it due to it giving excuse to attack Christians.
@emekonen:
"Cyril did not install a theocracy lol."
Er, yes he did.
"Let me guess, you got all your history from the book "Hypatia"?"
No, I am a master of conservation of art with focus on Egyotology. I read actual scientific papers.
Why would I take the side of a religious demagoge who continued is family's track record of religious introlerance?
A woman who declared in public her ungodliness, a witch!
Hypolita was not godless. She was a Neoplatonist.
Shut up
@crzylkfx: The point is that christians during that time destroyed pagan temples and banned scientific literature. The point is also that even many distructions throught the Romans were initiated by Christians who the Romans wanted to pacify. For the Romans it was mainly about keeping the christans, yews and pagans in check.
And be careful with "knowing for a fact". We have different accounts and we have no idea if they are based on older accounts that are often politically motivated.
carajo que hombre más bueno!!!!
@emekonen:
"armchair historians"
So when did you analyse and do conservation work on your last ptolemaic mummy mask and held a talk about it in front of some of the top Egyptologists of Europe? ^_^
I see you are a Cyril and uncle fanboy and don't consider his successful efford to surpress or rather chase out all other religions, even including other denominations of his own religion out of this little kingdom as negative. The guy was an intolerant tyrant.
And you are my least favorite TH-cam commenter.
Cesaropapism was the better form. Roman officials were christians, but they still ruled in the east, not the clergymen.
look, christians made mistakes in history, but don't forget, that this is just a fucking drama movie. xd It's not a historical movie.
so why are usuall classical hollywood films portraying Christians only favorably called as historical?They are also not providing real but only idealized history.
Yeah, killing people because they’re not Christians is totally a “mistake”
This is a historical movie.
@@sane4553 well, maybe I was to harsh - it's "historical drama", yes. What I meant was - it's not history 1:1, it's not documentary. It's based in historical setting, some characters really existed etc. I think my comment was an answer to really aggresive comment towards christians.
@paprskomet you are right, some movies idealize christians or other groups of people
You should learn some history yourself before you accuse someone other.We don't know exactly when the great Library was destroyed.Street fighting during Alexandrian war of Julius Caesar really made great damage to it but library and its books were not completely destroyed back then.The remainder was destroyed by Christians as this movie shows at the end of 4th century or (and finally)by Arab conquerors in 7th century AD...also for religious reasons :-(
There is no mention of Books in thwe Serapium by any source. There is no Reason to THink The Remaining Books were burned.
While St. Cyril had a few skeletons in his closet this movie goes out of its way to exaggerate his behavior.
+Severus of Antioch Did he not canonize the crazy bastard who flinged a rock at Orestes' face?
LesPaul2006 Ammonius? Well, the scholar Norman Russell said that he tried to, but it didn't catch on amongst the Christian community in Egypt.
Severus of Antioch Still speaks a lot about Cyril's character.
Severus of Antioch I do kind of agree that painting st. Cyril as a villain wouldn't have had much of a movie without villians. This time it was christians. so I'm sure they took artistic license however I don't think that the whole religious sect of the United States has any right to ban the movie for everybody else in this country.
@magiciankevin Lmao you know nothing of Christianity. When Eva ate the apple first and gave it to Adam God said that she will be the slave of the man. Mary was DIFFERENT of all women, because she born God and all her life she was a Virgin, untill she died on her 64th in Jerusalem.
It's not coinsedance that history freezed these epic moments in nations life .. it marks the armed-state-civilians severe unbalancing where higher decisions has been taken.. to turn the game upsidedown.
Religion is a good thing and it's pure context however it fell in the hand of man and man contorts distorts and kurupts it for their own personal needs that's why all religions have such a dark side at one point in history. This is a good movie.
A clver guy but also kind of an intolerant, powerhungry twat.
We Pagans rejoice in our persecution. We are the True God Believers and Knowers.
The Real Only God(s) Will have Their Vengence and destroy their false god yahweh and lies from him a devil.
He was wrong not to have knelt but shouldve been disciplined in a hearing board instead of being stoned.
I watched this scene at 15 while at the same time frame watching and believing CNN.
I just knew even back then that if words were read from bible that they were true and were worthy of obedience.
The priest quotes 1 Timothy 2:11. If that's what it says then I agree with it.
I just knew the supposed 'baptised Christian Roman" was wrong.
Oh great, a modern christian fanatic and a sexist on top of it. Orestes was absolutely right not to kneel to this bullshit.
Tsk tsk, still making apologies for a christian tyrant? ^_^ I never read the Hypatia novel and it is completely irrelevant when it comes to Cyril's evilness. In your case I would me worried about why you are so keen to devend a monster like him? Oh wait, you are an coptic looney who worships "saints" and defends religious tyrants just because they are part of your religion. Pretty much like some looney catholics defending their church, so don't worry, I understand you. *pats* :)
Do You have Evidence that Cyril was Evil?
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和伊斯兰教或者共产主义也一样
@Laughingblades And Scientologists the day after.
@emekonen But what does concern me is the burning of the library of Alexandria by religious fanatics and the damage that this caused mankind. Fanatics under Cryils charge. For this reason Cryil is one of history's great losers and should be treated with the contempt that he deserves.... You sound like one of those people that believes the dark ages never existed lol!
There was no Library there to Burn. The Film, Carl Sagan, and Edward Gibbon Lied to You.
@@skwills1629 Aristarchus. Plato Aristotle. The many other documented accounts are just made up. Maybe alexander the great didn't exist either I suppose too... lol!
Also, The Dark Ages didn't occure. You can look it up. The Middle Ages was not a Time of stagnation and Ignorance.
@@skwills1629 The dark ages and the middle ages are not the same time period! Looks like your time spent at school was a time of stagnation and ignorance!
Your cringe and low IQ takes on history are proof that we still live in the dark ages.
You have yet to bring forth a single shred of evidence yourself. All you got is biased blind support of the "saint" of your church. In other words, no matter what he did, you will view it in a positive light. Pretty much like all brainwashed theists do.
As opposed to Atheists who take this Film as Reliable History?
And all you got is a biased blind hatred for the great Saint Cyril of Alexandria,
In other words, no matter he did, you will continually cope and seethe at him, because you are a brainwashed atheist who gets his history from comic books and video games.
Your religion-bashing, erring on hate speech, has in it's initial principles "values" not too dissimilar to what you are denigrating here.
People who call themselves "Christian" aren't necessarily being good Christians just because they say they are. To judge an entire group because of actions that the majority would condemn is just plain bigoted. It's like thinking all Muslims are terrorists or all black people criminals. No one thinks the actions here are very Christian. Socrates Scholasticus points out even as Hypatia's contemporary how un-Christian the actions of these people was. Christ taught forgiveness, tolerance, and the famous "let him without sin cast the first stone". If you think what's shown here are the moralities of the Christian faith laid bare, you are quite simply ignorant of what those are.
Those may not be for me, or you, but having a go at people for valuing something that is primarily about love and forgiveness is utterly nonsensical.
Good people who have faith are probably even more pissed off by this sort of stuff than you are. American Evangelicals, Bible-Bashers, Creationists and the Westboro Baptist Church do not an accurate picture of religion make.
Perhaps focus your energy on figuring out how you wish to live your life instead of joining with the hate groups and spitting on others for what they want to believe when that doesn't impact you.
"Christianity summed up in 5 minutes. XD" How mature. XD
Of course not everybody is like that but you can't deny that in the past religious fanatics have committed too many atrocious acts "in the name of God" to ignore
Just as many have been committed without any influence or inspiration from religion. The problem is people, not belief.
Christianity was and still is a violent religion, thats just the fact of the matter.
auscaliber1 but it does impact us in so many ways you cant see until you leave it. Its not people im angry at. Im mostly angry that anyone thinks the bible is a decent book to base your life and especially to raise children on.
auscaliber1 beliefs based on a 2000 year old ancient book aren't acceptable today
Why everybody think the religions are direct masseges from the prophets? Jesus. Mohammed. Moses (He is an exuse, because he invent genocide). Jesus never speaks about Priestes and Churches, He more like a hippy and not a conservative. Mohammed want to make a religion what is part of everybody, and He never mention about religios war or something. Of course that time Arabia large part are non-Muslim, that was the reason of the war, but He speaks about the Christians and a Jews as brothers and sisters of the Muslims. The two most large religion in the World is not based on the worlds of God or "the" Scipt. The religions based on the antcient traditions. Based on the Pagan Arabic traditions, Jewis traditions and Roman and German traditions. On the Middle-East the people are violance, because come from a violance culture. The religions don't make enything different.
a hippi are u mad`? wtf pls first try to read the bible than come back and talk
Honey no religion is bad, be it Hindu, Christian, Islam, Jew, Buddhism, all of this religion talk about peace. It is the evil extremist humans that ruin it.