I just watched a video on the wreck of 'Terror' and it's nearly completely intact. What's exciting is Crozier's desk is intact and it's drawers closed-surely containing documents detailing what happened. Even more exciting is a tripod and large box was found on 'Terror', more than likely the ship's camera with copper plate images of the expedition. I can't wait to see what documents and possible images might be recovered!
I am not sure how well paper would be preserved, hopefully though. Also, wouldn’t they have taken the logs with them? Don’t know what the procedure for that was in the 1800s.
@@TheHolyMongolEmpire They surely would have left official RN documentation indicating their condition, what they planned to do, why the ships were abandoned, et cetera. Papers bound in heavy leather inside a well-preserved desk seems possible considering the items like seal wax still with a thumbprint preserved, shoes, and a brush still with hair in it.
@@TheHolyMongolEmpire It would be extraordinary if they could recover the expedition's early camera along with any images. It's a stretch, but modern forensics can do some incredible things. Keeping my fingers crossed!
To see these ships found after all these years is truly amazing, As a Brit watching this, it's at least answered some of the mystery surrounding the fate. After the 1980's exhumation of 3 of the men, i've always hoped the ships would be found... thank you for showing us around them, you have played a massive part in the history of the Franklin story.
Just finished watching terror. Probably you don’t remember Edward’s scene. Which his last scene on the show. He has facial chain. I have researched many time facial chain thing. I couldn’t find any information about it. Could you enlighten me about facial chain issue. If you find any page about it. Let me know
Absolutely incredible! Having just finished Michael Palin’s book on HMS Erebus for the second time, it is fantastic to see such wonderful progress being made at this site. Keep up the great work!
As a british person its great to see this work being done. As a child i remember looking at a picture of one of the first to die on Franklin Expedition his remains mummified,, it gave me a fright as a child,, a book by Readers Digest titled Exploration. Respects to the lost explorers, Inuit those doing conservation and museum work!!
Absolutely fascinating!!! I've read a few books about the expedition, the last one being Ice Ghosts. Its wonderful that both ships were found, intact to boot!!! Congratulations to everyone involved!!!!
The whole story from mid-19th century to the present day is the stuff of legends (literally and metaphorically), and these two time capsules are breathtaking. Keep up the good work.
This would be my dream project. If you need a British archaeologist with 20 years professional experience and an interest in the Franklin expedition then I'm in! Great video, very informative.
well if its not too late you best apply, because work is underway, have you tried contacting parks canada , foreign worker tickets are possible, as long as you have the right credentials.
If you look at the crew photographic portraits in Michael Palin’s book Erebus, this looks *very* much like the left epaulette worn by Lt Graham Gore. Astonishing. Well done, Canada.
They were identified as belonging to Lt James Fairholme, interestingly not the ones seen in his portrait taken before the ships left England as he had borrowed Fitzjames coat for the picture.
I’m glad the ships were found. It may give us some insight as to the final days. We know the ships were stuck in the ice. We know the crews abandoned the ships. We know the men dragged the boats with provisions. We also know the men were tired and malnourished. We also know many were suffering from lead poisoning and tuberculosis. We also know the men were not clothed properly. It is a harsh environment with the weather and being malnourished. The ships were state of the art at the time.
At 3:49 it shows the Erebus visible from the air. Amazing that local pilots like Willy Laserich or PCSP's pilots like Duncan Grant and others did not see it when flying in the area. Or did they?
When exploring the hold, the divers should keep an eye out for a sealed barrel. I recall Admiral Horatio Nelson’s remains were shipped part of the way home in a barrel of brandy, mixed with ethanol. No doubt, some of the officers of Erebus knew about this as well and might have done something similar.
Man I really wanted to see the tour of the boat like they did on the Terror looks like the terror is in better shape. But how freaking cool is that I mean it’s sad that they got stuck and died out there but I guess they knew some day someone would find them
The sea around the research ship is clear of ice. It's such a shame that Erebus and Terror were caught in pack ice for well over a year leading to the evacuation of both ships.
Its a small ship , raise both and perserve them both in structure's like the Mary Rose and Vesa , These ships should be perserved as priceless national treasures for both Canada and Great Britain ! Do this for this and future generations !
So HMS Erebus was ànchored at that spot and not dragged there by ice. Interesting.The ship sank so quickly the crew left their equipment. Also interesting. I can't wait to read Parks Canada's archaeological report.
Listening to this you'd never think these were British Royal Navy ships staffed completely by British sailors who'd never even seen or heard of a Canada.
I'm British and I don't agree with you. The wrecks are in Canadian/Innuit waters and they were discovered by Canadian teams after years of very expensive searching. By agreement between the British and Canadian governments the Canadians have custody of the wrecks and artifacts. This programme is about the modern archaeology, not the original expedition.
Just as the Spanish Government insists that its old galleons (and contents) from the Empire still belong to it and not the discoverer, why are these RN ships still not the property of the UK? I'm Canadian, worked in the high Arctic for a decade, and very proud of the discoveries, but just asking the question??? No gold? :)
@@antimatter4444 Salvage rights and laws are complex but knowing a little about the laws I'm guessing Parks Canada is being a little naive. I don't think they'll get any opposition from the Brits but legally it can be a dog's breakfast.
@@antimatter4444 Part of this nobody seems to remember is that Canada was part of the UK still at the time of the wrecks, and hadn't even formed the Confederation yet. As far as legality goes, Canada has equal claim to the wrecks. However, the UK, Canada, and Inuit representatives have already agreed how to deal with the issue, with all previously discovered artefacts from British expeditions and any remains going to the UK, and any new finds to be split between the Inuit Heritage Trust and the Canadian government.
@@sillyoldbastard3280 You are correct, any military shipwrecks retain the jurisdiction of the nation who it sailed under. However the British Ministry Of Defense signed the ships over to the Canadian Government. I believe the agreement being the first 85 artifacts being recovered from the wrecks be brought back to Britain along with any human remains or gold bullion. Which makes sense as The British Government hardly has the resources or permission to protect let alone conserve and explore two shipwrecks thousands of miles away in Canadian Maritime Territory.
Hello Gabriel. Thank you for your question. The Government of Canada is proud that the Franklin artifacts are now jointly owned with Inuit through Inuit Heritage Trust and we look forward to working collaboratively to protect, study and share these artifacts with Canadians and the world. More information is available from our website www.pc.gc.ca/en/lhn-nhs/nu/epaveswrecks
@@parkscanadaAs a British person it feels a little upsetting that we lost all of those men and of course our ships but anything that remains belongs to Canada.
@@gracelobley8801 The wrecks are in Canadian/Inuit waters, and Canada was part of the UK when the ships went down, and so has claim to the wrecks. What would you have the Canadians do? Surrender their national sovereignty every time a colonial archaeological find from older than 1867 is found there?
Hello. The Government of Canada's Translation Bureau provides the following information: "Because Inuit means "the people," do not use the or people with Inuit" www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/wrtps/index-eng.html?lang=eng&lettr=indx_catlog_i&page=91V1uxvxfEc4.html
If you want to protect something like this you need to keep the exact coordinates a secret because a lot of people are awful and love some treasure hunting and artifact collecting which will eventually lead to destroying of those artifacts
Hi there, and thank you for your question. The footage of HMS Terror is so incredible because the interior the ship was preserved far beyond expectations. Everything is in place: plates, bottles and cups on their shelves, drawers in the furniture, long arms attached to the partitions, and scientific instruments on their shelves. Also, all of the cabins and living spaces on the lower deck are accessible. Following the research and filming at the site of HMS Terror, Parks Canada’s Underwater Archaeology Team travelled to the site of HMS Erebus and were able to recover 355 artifacts. However, the site of HMS Erebus lies in a very dynamic environment. Parks Canada’s Underwater Archeology Team has deduced that the wreck site is in a cycle of increasing degradation caused by the changing environment of the site, which will be carefully studied over time. We hope that helps explain!
@@parkscanada Isn't the Erebus in deeper water though? I only ask because the Erebus is where they suspect the bodies of the sailors who passed away before the ships were abandoned were suspected to be wrapped away in the Bowles.
@@canadianmistake2640 Terror is in deeper water, at about 70 feet; Erebus is at about 35, if I read rightly. From what I've read of earlier stories on the research at the sites, Erebus has had a bit taken off her upper deck from the motion of the waves in the shallower water. According to Palin's book, among other sources, the tops of Erebus' masts would have been visible from the depth she sank.
@@parkscanada I just can't imagine what it would be like to be the first person after all this time to see or touch artifacts on these ships. There must be an overwhelming feeling of connection with the men who lived and worked aboard them. Watching the video of HMS Terror gave me goosebumps....
So, why there are no new expeditions? Money ended? I am monitoring the situation about 2 years and there are no news. Does everyone forgot about 2 ships in arctic waters?
Why is it said that the wrecks and artifacts belong to the canadian government. These are UK navy ships, surely the artifacts, any human remains and gold belong to the UK goverment.
Struan as a Brit now a Canadian citizen. Canada obtained permission and good prospects from the U K government for ownership of the wrecks in Canadian waters. Duly passed across to our cousins across the waters. What a success Canada is a huge peaceful nation spanning a continent. Here in B C which is Scotland and Norway rolled into one where l throw caught trout out to the bald eagles to swoop down for the dead fish. Occasionaly they miss too.
@@StruanRobertson29 check. I am sure l read about Canada touching base with the U K government because there may be a designation as a grave site. No worries both nations are real democracies. Function well too
@@StruanRobertson29 Hi Struan type in as l did what canada arranged with U K to explore wrecks of H M S Terror and Erubus. Britain kept 65 of the relics that parks Canada recovered from the wrecks. All the rest has been consigned to Canada. Both countries have done well on this.
I know it isn't as easy or obvious as it sounds, but look at it. You can see if from the surface, and it was missing for 168 years. If Google Maps had better resolution of the area like it does of major cities, you have to wonder if it would have been found sooner.
I'm very into archeology and i love to take a look at artyfacts in a Museum. Nun this time i have to admit that the removal of things from these wrecks kinda feels wrong. Don't get me wrong, i would love to know more about what hapened all those years ago, but i think these artefects are where they belong. There final resting place
Well that's just not politically correct! Yes, there are salvage laws that would preclude the Brits depending on who discovered it but if they mentioned the Inuit once more I'd throw up... not that I have anything against the Inuit but I'm sure most couldn't give a toss about these wrecks.
There's a longstanding agreement on this made before the wrecks were found. Any corpses of crewmembers are to be returned to the Royal Navy for burial. The local Inuit and the Canadian government have a co-ownership agreement over any wreck sites, as agreed to by the UK government due to the wrecks being in Canadian territorial waters and of significant scientific and archaeological interest. As the wrecks are in Inuit treaty waters, but are of significant national interest to the Canadian government and the Inuit do not have the expertise to perform archaeological conservation on the wrecks, the Inuit of Gjoa Haven take care of the sites year-round whilst the Canadian government performs archaeological excavation in the summers, and all archaeological finds for display are to be split between the Inuit Heritage Trust and the Canadian government.
@@sillyoldbastard3280 The local Inuit were well aware of where the wrecks were for the past century and a half, and had recorded their encounters with the white men who camped out on the island they lived on, which were quite bizarre. Plus the ships are in their back yard. They have more connection to the story behind the ships than the average tourist gawker.
It was a converted Bomb Vessel, originally built for shore Bombardment with large mortars as their main armament. Converted for the expedition due to the hull strength of the Bomb design making it more resistant to ice damage.
Absolutely 💯 Amazin 💜 video👀 and great job☑️🕺🏻. Came here after 👁️👁️watching The Terror season1. Man🤯🤯🤯 the exploration was remarkable. 💯 RIP all the Sailers and Marines.💛💛 🌈🦄♥️🍒
At the time, Victorian Britain wasn't really interested in Inuit testimony. As soon as the stories of cannibalism started to surface, the society at the time would have rather believe that the Inuit murdered the crews and lied about it than take them seriously. Since Franklin strait was icebound for most of the year and found blocked by searchers, both ships would most likely have already sunk by the time any searches would come anywhere close to the shipwrecks. Once the victory point note was found and it became clear no men were coming home, that there was no logistically viable passage through - they gave up searching. As time goes on, stories are passed down, lost or otherwise changed - due to the nature that is oral history. It becomes hard to piece together the truth out of hundreds of stories. Yet Louie Kamookak did exactly that, Parks Canada took him seriously thankfully and they found HMS Terror in Terror Bay, Almost 50 miles from where they were searching for it.
@@sillyoldbastard3280 I mean, HMS Terror was found as a direct result of Inuit oral history and the testimony of Sammy Kogvik. As for Erebus, it was found much further south than originally anticipated which again was indicated by several accounts passed down through Inuit oral history compiled by Louie Kamookak. Whilst I agree that the wrecks were found thanks to the expertise and equipment of Parks Canada, it's also down to the crucial research in pinpointing the locations of the area of the wreck thanks in many parts to the Inuit.
@@dominicfitch7951 both ships were found far away from their last reported positions. Possibly the ice moved Erebus but the way the Terror looks, I think it was moved by some of the crew for some unknown reason into that sheltered bay.
@@dominicfitch7951 You also have to consider the oral history tradition of Inuit versus the documentary practices in Europe. It can be very difficult to study and learn a dialect and then piece away the mythology to get specific details.
If you haven’t already I highly recommended season 1 of the television series The Terror on the AMC network. It can also be viewed on Amazon Prime. Some of the best television I’ve watched in a loooong time. I guarantee is you are here watching this video you will love the show
@@jimmcintosh9045 Nice spoilers there bruh. Also do you take that show as fact yeah? I didn't know that magical giant bears exist till I watched the show!
There were over 40 expedition vessels that went searching for Franklin. HMS Investigator & others were lost in that search. The Captain of Franklins widows funded search found the direction Franklin went as he was well knowing of Eskimo/Inuit knowledge of their land. He had sleds & dogs & did not restrict his search to only the water. He went far afield inland. He returned to England with news of Franklins death.
Inuit didn't have the printing press, radio etc. They aren't all over the world. Oral traditions result in some difficult to decipher stories. Sure they had something to offer. But all of them around the world knew with great detail? Hardly.
I think it is interesting that earlier media productions confirm the vessels to be owned by the British. Would that not include all articles, equipment, cargo & human remains/ graves aboard? Then why are the vessels being harvested by the Canadian Government & Inuit people without acknowledgement of British ownership? Seems very disrespectful yet convenient considering there were believed to be human remains aboard. Possibly of Captain Franklin himself.
I very much doubt that any human remains are still on the ships. As both of them had been abandoned. The British Government retain ownership of some of the items following the transfer of the vessels to Canadian national and local government ownership.
@@tyroneshulace3203 I my closest friend was obsessed with the Franklin expedition. I was left several of his books and notes on the subject. From what I can gather from the various sources is that Sir John Franklin was buried. What isn't clear is where he was buried. With some sources claiming that he was buried in the pack ice. It is not very clear. That said it is apparent that he was not left in his cabin.
@@the_gold_canopy So much time, energy, money and resources were offered for the expedition with so many goals in mind. They really did try to learn from previous expeditions and prepared in many ways far better than any previous expedition in the area. We can't look back with what we know now and assume that they should have known better back then. In retrospect we learn from their mistakes, but many of the rescue missions and retrieval missions failed too. They gave up much sooner than Franklin and his men.
Waterlogged wood survives pretty well as long as it is underwater - as soon as you bring it to the surface, it will degrade much faster. There are methods for preserving it (letting other chemicals soak into it that won't evaporate), but which method actually works best is still unclear, and it also requires complete disassembly. I've seen it done to a ship found in the North Sea close to shore, but it'll be extremely difficult out where the Erebus lies.
The real secret being withheld, is where was the body of Sir John Franklin buried. One theory was that his body was kept in state in the great cabin. Another is that he may have been given a seaman's burial the ocean. Most theory's say he was probably interred on land, but where?
I just watched a video on the wreck of 'Terror' and it's nearly completely intact. What's exciting is Crozier's desk is intact and it's drawers closed-surely containing documents detailing what happened. Even more exciting is a tripod and large box was found on 'Terror', more than likely the ship's camera with copper plate images of the expedition. I can't wait to see what documents and possible images might be recovered!
It would be so exciting to find ships logs and some answers to what happened. I wait with anticipation 🙂
I am not sure how well paper would be preserved, hopefully though. Also, wouldn’t they have taken the logs with them? Don’t know what the procedure for that was in the 1800s.
@@TheHolyMongolEmpire They surely would have left official RN documentation indicating their condition, what they planned to do, why the ships were abandoned, et cetera. Papers bound in heavy leather inside a well-preserved desk seems possible considering the items like seal wax still with a thumbprint preserved, shoes, and a brush still with hair in it.
@@tomservo5347 well I sure hope they find them, would be one of the most bad ass archaeological finds ever.
@@TheHolyMongolEmpire It would be extraordinary if they could recover the expedition's early camera along with any images. It's a stretch, but modern forensics can do some incredible things. Keeping my fingers crossed!
To see these ships found after all these years is truly amazing, As a Brit watching this, it's at least answered some of the mystery surrounding the fate. After the 1980's exhumation of 3 of the men, i've always hoped the ships would be found... thank you for showing us around them, you have played a massive part in the history of the Franklin story.
I've been in Stromness Orkney and saw the well where the Franklin expedition got its last water. Quite a thrill.
The Franklin Expedition was the story that made me want to become a scuba diver. 100+ dives later, im thrilled that this is happening!
Just finished watching terror. Probably you don’t remember Edward’s scene. Which his last scene on the show. He has facial chain. I have researched many time facial chain thing. I couldn’t find any information about it. Could you enlighten me about facial chain issue. If you find any page about it. Let me know
@@ecgminor344 honestly, no idea. i think it was taken from the original inuit account.
@@mattbarnes9296 thankssss
As a British man am no so so glad our Canadian brothers are looking after this cheers 🍻
Great effort by the teams involved in helping us learn more about the expedition. Fascinating to see the detail and care used here.
why not raise the whole wreck
@@randomrazr Because it is a tomb.
Absolutely incredible! Having just finished Michael Palin’s book on HMS Erebus for the second time, it is fantastic to see such wonderful progress being made at this site. Keep up the great work!
That shot at 3:50 of the entire ship is amazing.
As a british person its great to see this work being done. As a child i remember looking at a picture of one of the first to die on Franklin Expedition his remains mummified,, it gave me a fright as a child,, a book by Readers Digest titled Exploration. Respects to the lost explorers, Inuit those doing conservation and museum work!!
As a British man and member of the commonwealth I feel so proud watching our Canadian brothers doing projects like these. ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Yeah but Canada is keeping the stuff, I say return the items to the UK 🇬🇧
@@Nintendofan570 the British certainly stole enough artifacts from other countries, I say keep them Canada.
@@Nintendofan570 UK should return the entire contents of the brittish museum to the countries they were stolen from I agree.
Canada has custody by agreement between the British and Canadian governments.
Absolutely fascinating!!! I've read a few books about the expedition, the last one being Ice Ghosts. Its wonderful that both ships were found, intact to boot!!! Congratulations to everyone involved!!!!
The whole story from mid-19th century to the present day is the stuff of legends (literally and metaphorically), and these two time capsules are breathtaking. Keep up the good work.
Amazing work on such a significant piece of history.
Well done locating the wrecks Canada, I'm so glad a proud Commonwealth nation discovered them. British maritime history at its most compelling.
This is fascinating. Please keep us updated with the discoveries. Great work everyone.
Amazing. THANK YOU CANADA AND INUIT PEOPLE ❤️
this is so amazing! great to see people doing jobs like that, it teaches us a lot.
I love how Canada is showing respect to the Inuit people. I now have reading to do. This is amazing.(American citizen)
Thanks for watching!
What “ Ace” work
Parks. Amazing Erebus
brought back to “ life”
This would be my dream project. If you need a British archaeologist with 20 years professional experience and an interest in the Franklin expedition then I'm in! Great video, very informative.
That’s so cool, you’re an actual professional archaeologist
well if its not too late you best apply, because work is underway, have you tried contacting parks canada , foreign worker tickets are possible, as long as you have the right credentials.
the camera man must have been very good to have filmed this so perfectly
Incredible. Thank you to all involved for all your wonderful work in retrieving and preserving these historical finds for future generations to come.
Glad you enjoyed it 😀
Decent, sound, professional work. Sure we all wish them well.
If you look at the crew photographic portraits in Michael Palin’s book Erebus, this looks *very* much like the left epaulette worn by Lt Graham Gore. Astonishing. Well done, Canada.
They were identified as belonging to Lt James Fairholme, interestingly not the ones seen in his portrait taken before the ships left England as he had borrowed Fitzjames coat for the picture.
This feels like the video you watch in a horror game before everything goes bad.
LOVE seeing the continued work on this literal cold case lol
Oh, what that expedition would have given to have had the water that clear of ice.
Seeing those epaulettes was amazing
I’m glad the ships were found. It may give us some insight as to the final days. We know the ships were stuck in the ice. We know the crews abandoned the ships. We know the men dragged the boats with provisions. We also know the men were tired and malnourished. We also know many were suffering from lead poisoning and tuberculosis. We also know the men were not clothed properly. It is a harsh environment with the weather and being malnourished. The ships were state of the art at the time.
At 3:49 it shows the Erebus visible from the air. Amazing that local pilots like
Willy Laserich or PCSP's pilots like Duncan Grant and others did not see it when flying in the area. Or did they?
Yes I believe it was first seen by a pilot.
When exploring the hold, the divers should keep an eye out for a sealed barrel. I recall Admiral Horatio Nelson’s remains were shipped part of the way home in a barrel of brandy, mixed with ethanol. No doubt, some of the officers of Erebus knew about this as well and might have done something similar.
Man I really wanted to see the tour of the boat like they did on the Terror looks like the terror is in better shape. But how freaking cool is that I mean it’s sad that they got stuck and died out there but I guess they knew some day someone would find them
Fascinating discovery, I’m very interested to see how this information is brought to light.
amazing as always ❤️❤️❤️
thank you for the dedication of this.
After seeing AMC's The Terror, I'd love to go on a guided tour inside Erebus and The Terror
I am watching the episode called " The Terror". It shows the event of John Franklin's Arctic Expedition from 1845 to 1848. Fascinating.
The sea around the research ship is clear of ice.
It's such a shame that Erebus and Terror were caught in pack ice for well over a year leading to the evacuation of both ships.
Arctic sea ice decline.
Crazy to think that exactly where those expedition boats are anchored, 100 plus men fought to survive for months..
I’m really enjoying your work with both ships . When will you be able to make more wreck videos
Since both ships were found in "shallow" water, is there evidence they've been somewhat dragged by pack ice / icebergs ? Underwater I mean
Beautiful video. Why the background music of ' trying to get an appointment to rent a car' music?
Love the way the mentioned who owns the artifacts the modern world sucks sometimes
Terror brought me here. I hope more folks research this amazing point in history.
So much history!
I’m fascinated with the Franklin expedition and all shipwrecks really but these men went through hell and never did get to tell their story.
I hope they get everything before any big storms hit them.
Its a small ship , raise both and perserve them both in structure's like the Mary Rose and Vesa , These ships should be perserved as priceless national treasures for both Canada and Great Britain ! Do this for this and future generations !
It's a very remote and hostile area. Much of it would be destroyed in trying to remove it after all of this time.
So HMS Erebus was ànchored at that spot and not dragged there by ice. Interesting.The ship sank so quickly the crew left their equipment. Also interesting. I can't wait to read Parks Canada's archaeological report.
The ships have been frozen there and abandoned by their crews for a long time before they sank.
Have you folks considered raising and preserving the ship? Think of the Mary Rose 😊
Imagine naming a ship Terror nowadays! Fun fact in Antarctica a volcano is named Mt.Terror, beside Mt. Erebus.
Named after the ships.
It was previously a war ship. Who is going to name a ship Buttercup?
Raise it up?!! The should turn them into exhibit/museum, like what they did with the mary Rose in Portsmouth.
What about the DOCUMENTS?
The desk drawers were still closed. So, was the Parchment/Paper will readable, or not?
Are you familiar how fragile paper can be?
Listening to this you'd never think these were British Royal Navy ships staffed completely by British sailors who'd never even seen or heard of a Canada.
I'm British and I don't agree with you. The wrecks are in Canadian/Innuit waters and they were discovered by Canadian teams after years of very expensive searching. By agreement between the British and Canadian governments the Canadians have custody of the wrecks and artifacts. This programme is about the modern archaeology, not the original expedition.
Pretty much all of the leaders of the expedition were familiar with Canada and had been around the area before.
Royal Navy ships. Not ‘owned’ by... More respect should be afforded to the UK, the people that died during the expedition and their dependents.
Just as the Spanish Government insists that its old galleons (and contents) from the Empire still belong to it and not the discoverer, why are these RN ships still not the property of the UK? I'm Canadian, worked in the high Arctic for a decade, and very proud of the discoveries, but just asking the question??? No gold? :)
@@antimatter4444 Salvage rights and laws are complex but knowing a little about the laws I'm guessing Parks Canada is being a little naive. I don't think they'll get any opposition from the Brits but legally it can be a dog's breakfast.
@@antimatter4444 Part of this nobody seems to remember is that Canada was part of the UK still at the time of the wrecks, and hadn't even formed the Confederation yet. As far as legality goes, Canada has equal claim to the wrecks. However, the UK, Canada, and Inuit representatives have already agreed how to deal with the issue, with all previously discovered artefacts from British expeditions and any remains going to the UK, and any new finds to be split between the Inuit Heritage Trust and the Canadian government.
@@sillyoldbastard3280 You are correct, any military shipwrecks retain the jurisdiction of the nation who it sailed under. However the British Ministry Of Defense signed the ships over to the Canadian Government. I believe the agreement being the first 85 artifacts being recovered from the wrecks be brought back to Britain along with any human remains or gold bullion. Which makes sense as The British Government hardly has the resources or permission to protect let alone conserve and explore two shipwrecks thousands of miles away in Canadian Maritime Territory.
@@dominicfitch7951 We don't say the same thing when Soviet era ships are found and we tear them apart and study them.
How is it determined who owns it?
Hello Gabriel. Thank you for your question. The Government of Canada is proud that the Franklin artifacts are now jointly owned with Inuit through Inuit Heritage Trust and we look forward to working collaboratively to protect, study and share these artifacts with Canadians and the world. More information is available from our website www.pc.gc.ca/en/lhn-nhs/nu/epaveswrecks
Royal Navy owned it and transfered ownership to Canada. Inuit and Canadian government share ownership.
@@parkscanadaAs a British person it feels a little upsetting that we lost all of those men and of course our ships but anything that remains belongs to Canada.
@@gracelobley8801 The wrecks are in Canadian/Inuit waters, and Canada was part of the UK when the ships went down, and so has claim to the wrecks. What would you have the Canadians do? Surrender their national sovereignty every time a colonial archaeological find from older than 1867 is found there?
Question, why is it Inuit and not The Inuit?
Hello. The Government of Canada's Translation Bureau provides the following information: "Because Inuit means "the people," do not use the or people with Inuit" www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/wrtps/index-eng.html?lang=eng&lettr=indx_catlog_i&page=91V1uxvxfEc4.html
@@parkscanada ah makes sense, then it would The the Inuit people basically.
@@TheHolyMongolEmpire ATM Machine.
If you want to protect something like this you need to keep the exact coordinates a secret because a lot of people are awful and love some treasure hunting and artifact collecting which will eventually lead to destroying of those artifacts
I see amazing footage of the inside of the Terror, yet nothing on the inside of the Erbus. Why?
Hi there, and thank you for your question. The footage of HMS Terror is so incredible because the interior the ship was preserved far beyond expectations. Everything is in place: plates, bottles and cups on their shelves, drawers in the furniture, long arms attached to the partitions, and scientific instruments on their shelves. Also, all of the cabins and living spaces on the lower deck are accessible. Following the research and filming at the site of HMS Terror, Parks Canada’s Underwater Archaeology Team travelled to the site of HMS Erebus and were able to recover 355 artifacts. However, the site of HMS Erebus lies in a very dynamic environment. Parks Canada’s Underwater Archeology Team has deduced that the wreck site is in a cycle of increasing degradation caused by the changing environment of the site, which will be carefully studied over time. We hope that helps explain!
@@parkscanada Isn't the Erebus in deeper water though? I only ask because the Erebus is where they suspect the bodies of the sailors who passed away before the ships were abandoned were suspected to be wrapped away in the Bowles.
@@canadianmistake2640 Terror is in deeper water, at about 70 feet; Erebus is at about 35, if I read rightly. From what I've read of earlier stories on the research at the sites, Erebus has had a bit taken off her upper deck from the motion of the waves in the shallower water. According to Palin's book, among other sources, the tops of Erebus' masts would have been visible from the depth she sank.
@@parkscanada I just can't imagine what it would be like to be the first person after all this time to see or touch artifacts on these ships. There must be an overwhelming feeling of connection with the men who lived and worked aboard them. Watching the video of HMS Terror gave me goosebumps....
There was a powered Schooner that went out to search and was pancaked on the bottom by ice movement & pressure.
all those poor men met such a horrible fate.. may god bless their souls.
I'm not sure what the Inuits have to do in this story though.
Hi there! You can find out more here: www.pc.gc.ca/en/lhn-nhs/nu/epaveswrecks/culture
Under Emperor Trudeau political correctness correctness reigns supreme.
So, why there are no new expeditions? Money ended? I am monitoring the situation about 2 years and there are no news. Does everyone forgot about 2 ships in arctic waters?
You can find the most recent news on the project here: parks.canada.ca/lhn-nhs/nu/epaveswrecks/info/communiques-franklin-releases
Amazing work
Why do the Inuit own part of it ??
For me, maritime history is what fascinates me the most.
Why is it said that the wrecks and artifacts belong to the canadian government. These are UK navy ships, surely the artifacts, any human remains and gold belong to the UK goverment.
Struan as a Brit now a Canadian citizen. Canada obtained permission and good prospects from the U K government for ownership of the wrecks in Canadian waters. Duly passed across to our cousins across the waters. What a success Canada is a huge peaceful nation spanning a continent. Here in B C which is Scotland and Norway rolled into one where l throw caught trout out to the bald eagles to swoop down for the dead fish. Occasionaly they miss too.
@@paulfletcher2029 no mention of this is the video...only candian gov and inuit
@@StruanRobertson29 check. I am sure l read about Canada touching base with the U K government because there may be a designation as a grave site. No worries both nations are real democracies. Function well too
@@StruanRobertson29 Hi Struan type in as l did what canada arranged with U K to explore wrecks of H M S Terror and Erubus. Britain kept 65 of the relics that parks Canada recovered from the wrecks. All the rest has been consigned to Canada. Both countries have done well on this.
@@paulfletcher2029 i see. No memntion on uk contrubution in video. Those facts should have been mentioned.
Why do the Royal Navy ships and their contents now belong to Parks Canada and the Inuit?
I know it isn't as easy or obvious as it sounds, but look at it. You can see if from the surface, and it was missing for 168 years. If Google Maps had better resolution of the area like it does of major cities, you have to wonder if it would have been found sooner.
the area is covered by sea ice most of the year, the info is from the video
@@m2to653 Yeah, I know. Like I said in my comment "I know it isn't as easy or obvious as it sounds, but look at it."
I'm very into archeology and i love to take a look at artyfacts in a Museum. Nun this time i have to admit that the removal of things from these wrecks kinda feels wrong.
Don't get me wrong, i would love to know more about what hapened all those years ago, but i think these artefects are where they belong. There final resting place
Have you seen AMC's The Terror serie?
Im ok with removing artifacts from a wreck as long as no one died.
Oh look...another overly emotional nutcase, allowing emotion, rather than common sense and logic to rule his thinking. Yawn.
Shouldn't they be property of Her Majesty's Royal Navy still?
Or if not, Her Majesty's Royal Canadian Navy.
Well that's just not politically correct! Yes, there are salvage laws that would preclude the Brits depending on who discovered it but if they mentioned the Inuit once more I'd throw up... not that I have anything against the Inuit but I'm sure most couldn't give a toss about these wrecks.
There's a longstanding agreement on this made before the wrecks were found. Any corpses of crewmembers are to be returned to the Royal Navy for burial. The local Inuit and the Canadian government have a co-ownership agreement over any wreck sites, as agreed to by the UK government due to the wrecks being in Canadian territorial waters and of significant scientific and archaeological interest. As the wrecks are in Inuit treaty waters, but are of significant national interest to the Canadian government and the Inuit do not have the expertise to perform archaeological conservation on the wrecks, the Inuit of Gjoa Haven take care of the sites year-round whilst the Canadian government performs archaeological excavation in the summers, and all archaeological finds for display are to be split between the Inuit Heritage Trust and the Canadian government.
@@sillyoldbastard3280 The local Inuit were well aware of where the wrecks were for the past century and a half, and had recorded their encounters with the white men who camped out on the island they lived on, which were quite bizarre. Plus the ships are in their back yard. They have more connection to the story behind the ships than the average tourist gawker.
wow that's so crazy
that was the Inuit by the way
Man, imagine finding the log book....
This Video is amazing. What a great job.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@parkscanada Can we expect to have Captain Croziers cabinet brought eventually. One can only imagine what they might contain
C’EST PAPA BOYER WESHHHH
they should have waited for seasonal conditions such as in this video.
I should think that sea-floor objects retrieved from a wreck would belong to England's Royal Navy.
Apparently the British were fine with leaving it in the hands of Canadians.
Is this a transport or the battleship?
It was a converted Bomb Vessel, originally built for shore Bombardment with large mortars as their main armament. Converted for the expedition due to the hull strength of the Bomb design making it more resistant to ice damage.
Absolutely 💯 Amazin 💜 video👀 and great job☑️🕺🏻.
Came here after 👁️👁️watching The Terror season1. Man🤯🤯🤯 the exploration was remarkable. 💯
RIP all the Sailers and Marines.💛💛
🌈🦄♥️🍒
Thank you Cherri :)
If the Inuit were important in finding this wreck why did it take 170 years to do it?
They didn't find it
At the time, Victorian Britain wasn't really interested in Inuit testimony. As soon as the stories of cannibalism started to surface, the society at the time would have rather believe that the Inuit murdered the crews and lied about it than take them seriously. Since Franklin strait was icebound for most of the year and found blocked by searchers, both ships would most likely have already sunk by the time any searches would come anywhere close to the shipwrecks. Once the victory point note was found and it became clear no men were coming home, that there was no logistically viable passage through - they gave up searching.
As time goes on, stories are passed down, lost or otherwise changed - due to the nature that is oral history. It becomes hard to piece together the truth out of hundreds of stories. Yet Louie Kamookak did exactly that, Parks Canada took him seriously thankfully and they found HMS Terror in Terror Bay, Almost 50 miles from where they were searching for it.
@@sillyoldbastard3280 I mean, HMS Terror was found as a direct result of Inuit oral history and the testimony of Sammy Kogvik. As for Erebus, it was found much further south than originally anticipated which again was indicated by several accounts passed down through Inuit oral history compiled by Louie Kamookak. Whilst I agree that the wrecks were found thanks to the expertise and equipment of Parks Canada, it's also down to the crucial research in pinpointing the locations of the area of the wreck thanks in many parts to the Inuit.
@@dominicfitch7951 both ships were found far away from their last reported positions. Possibly the ice moved Erebus but the way the Terror looks, I think it was moved by some of the crew for some unknown reason into that sheltered bay.
@@dominicfitch7951 You also have to consider the oral history tradition of Inuit versus the documentary practices in Europe. It can be very difficult to study and learn a dialect and then piece away the mythology to get specific details.
good job papa of Angèle
Amazing!
The tone of this video is so light-hearted and positive compared to 'The Terror' TV show!
If you haven’t already I highly recommended season 1 of the television series The Terror on the AMC network. It can also be viewed on Amazon Prime. Some of the best television I’ve watched in a loooong time. I guarantee is you are here watching this video you will love the show
I thought they all died but the programme showed the captain alive at the end having joined the Inuits with a child beside him.
@@jimmcintosh9045 I mean it's a work of narrative fiction, but none the less a nice twist for those of us who already knew how things had to end.
@@jimmcintosh9045 Nice spoilers there bruh. Also do you take that show as fact yeah? I didn't know that magical giant bears exist till I watched the show!
nice work
Watching the Ridley Scott melodrama and realising it's very nicely staged, shot and edited but mostly just made up.
Wait until you find out about a little film called Titanic!
every inuit in the world knew where this wreck was
There were over 40 expedition vessels that went searching for Franklin. HMS Investigator & others were lost in that search. The Captain of Franklins widows funded search found the direction Franklin went as he was well knowing of Eskimo/Inuit knowledge of their land. He had sleds & dogs & did not restrict his search to only the water. He went far afield inland. He returned to England with news of Franklins death.
Inuit didn't have the printing press, radio etc. They aren't all over the world. Oral traditions result in some difficult to decipher stories. Sure they had something to offer. But all of them around the world knew with great detail? Hardly.
No signs of THE TUNGUAH ?
Fascinating
I don't understand--what is the significance of the beaver? I thought Canada had the 4 stars of the flag of China...so confusing.
The Beaver is a Parks Canada logo.
YOur attempt at sarcasm fell flat. Don't quit your day job.
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It wasn't sarcastic, the last time I was in TOronto, I only saw Chinese. Is the beaver a Chinese delicacy, like dog?
@@barron8006 ha
I think it is interesting that earlier media productions confirm the vessels to be owned by the British. Would that not include all articles, equipment, cargo & human remains/ graves aboard? Then why are the vessels being harvested by the Canadian Government & Inuit people without acknowledgement of British ownership? Seems very disrespectful yet convenient considering there were believed to be human remains aboard. Possibly of Captain Franklin himself.
I very much doubt that any human remains are still on the ships.
As both of them had been abandoned. The British Government retain ownership of some of the items following the transfer of the vessels to Canadian national and local government ownership.
@@nicholaskelly6375 Wasn't Franklin placed in his cabin on board. If that is the case there are remains there. Regardless it is a grave.
@@tyroneshulace3203 I my closest friend was obsessed with the Franklin expedition. I was left several of his books and notes on the subject. From what I can gather from the various sources is that Sir John Franklin was buried. What isn't clear is where he was buried. With some sources claiming that he was buried in the pack ice. It is not very clear. That said it is apparent that he was not left in his cabin.
after 170 years underwater there would not be any human remains.
Read about it and you won't make silly comments. They boats were abandoned empty. You're welcome.
Beggars belief that they can be seen from above the water yet have only just been discovered
Wow!
Sorry but the music is too busy and too loud! Feels like we are all running to keep up with the vital information being shared. I'm out of breath!
Awesome find, but let them rest in peace. 🪦 🇬🇧
And not unravel the mystery and learn? Forget that!
@@seanwebb605 There's only one thing we learned from that expedition, and that is to always "go prepared". Sir John Franklin was NOT prepared. 🏴☠️ 🧊
@@the_gold_canopy So much time, energy, money and resources were offered for the expedition with so many goals in mind. They really did try to learn from previous expeditions and prepared in many ways far better than any previous expedition in the area. We can't look back with what we know now and assume that they should have known better back then. In retrospect we learn from their mistakes, but many of the rescue missions and retrieval missions failed too. They gave up much sooner than Franklin and his men.
inuit heritage trust? what?
Hello. Information about the Inuit Heritage Trust is available here www.ihti.ca/eng/home-english.html
Surely this wreck could be recovered intact by a marine salvage company, making the exploration of the wreck and any artefacts considerably easier.
Just what I was thinking, why not? Been done before with older, larger ships like the Mary Rose and the Swedish ship Vasa.
Waterlogged wood survives pretty well as long as it is underwater - as soon as you bring it to the surface, it will degrade much faster. There are methods for preserving it (letting other chemicals soak into it that won't evaporate), but which method actually works best is still unclear, and it also requires complete disassembly. I've seen it done to a ship found in the North Sea close to shore, but it'll be extremely difficult out where the Erebus lies.
That's nonsense.
Really hope someone in the future isn't spending months restoring and preserving my epaulettes
I hope the archeology is going to continue?? It was put on hold because of silly Covid, but it must still have a bunch of secrets to be revealed.
The real secret being withheld, is where was the body of Sir John Franklin buried. One theory was that his body was kept in state in the great cabin. Another is that he may have been given a seaman's burial the ocean. Most theory's say he was probably interred on land, but where?
i think they should be raised as there in great shape and we can learn more from them