Great documentary. However when knocking a muscle off is more important then understanding what happen. You get my point. Leave that guy at the house next time, you'll learn more.
yep i get your point - i always used to laugh at the doo gooders, when saying about having peace and quite at say a bird sanctuary, or not disturbing the habitats of bats etc, the thing is all wildlife etc get on best they can around us - look at the biggest bird sanctuary there is, any one know it, where it is any guessed at Cape Canaveral, and what goes on there, interesting though that a single muscle poses so much threat to this expedition, which really in hind sight was already answered by the survivors from that night, but just confirmed by this, still its nice to be able to see the wreck with more modern aids, but again i ask, yes its a war grave, but these people didn't die because of war, but a storm we in the UK raised the Mary Rose, hundreds perished, but it was a very important archeological find, aren't these wrecks important too, like Shackleton's wreck Endurance, will she be raised somehow? and besides if this wreck was brought up, can the muscles not be sold off, i mean, is there no muscle farming off the lakes or is that a no no ? don't get me wrong, i am for protecting the environment, but in order to make that omlett eggs must suffer
I was really enjoying this until the director decided there wasn't enough "drama!" "Okay guys, I want you to get your tethers tangled up and we'll do cut away shots to add to the drama. Let's make it look like it's LIFE OR DEATH if you don't get loose in THREE minutes!" So much for "reality" anymore!
As though of us who live right on the Great Lakes know, rogue storms can happen in a flash, and especially since it was a warm night. Cyclonic waterspouts would not be anything to get caught in, and you'd not know where it was coming from in the roaring dark, if that had happened... Each lake has its own ways of creating fatal difficulty. For instance, Lake Erie, where I am, can slosh from one end to the other, with winds alone..it's treachery lies in the fact that it is the most shallow..but we get storms rolling down from lake Ontario, just as much as diving down from L Huron. I'm always surprised, when someone sees the coast for the first time.. "wow, it's like the ocean!! I thought it was just a nice little lake!!" STAY SAFE, DIVERS!! ❤
Duluth Bay, Minnesota is incredibly dangerous. As it's hundreds of feet deep, narrow, gazey, high slosh. Dozens of ships went down there, as well as another huge, n' deep choke point being the Apostle islands, where Wisconsin has shipping lanes.
These wrecks are protected historic sites and war graves. The producers would have needed permits to do this filming and there would be significant fines if them damaged anything. My understanding of the Ontario Marine Protection Act is that penetration of the wrecks is not allowed. And not everyone wants to destroy a historic artifact. There are smaller ROVs that would fit through that window, but the one they're using is way too big.
In regards to extreme caution in entering the wrecks I would like to point out that as time passes and with the continuing destructive effects of invasive mussels, the wrecks will disappear without being thoroughly examined. He who dares wins.
Indeed. Of course one doesn't want to risk too much, often it is wiser to wait for a better technology to show up because once a site is destroyed, the relics will still be there, but the information will be lost. In this case, however, I'd say they do not have the luxury of waiting for better tech to be developed. It is only a matter of time until those cannons will demand their weight toll and crush the wrecks.
Documentaries like this remind me why I don't miss cable TV lol. All the fake drama, the music, the moronic questions "how did these people drown in a terrible storm?! How was a tiny wooden boat so dangerous in rough seas?!"
If a wreck is going to disintegrate over time then why not just get in there? No nobody will ever see inside now. And it's already a wreck. What a waste of time and money.
What makes those wrecks survive in freshwater i s also the absence of the shipworm, which can only survive in saltwater with enough salt-content. Thats also why shipwrecks in the east of the baltic sea are so well preserved.
Even if the whole crew made it off the ship, in the darkness and wild seas with no life preservers and no one to pick them up, they all would have perished. I have dove many wrecks in Lake Michigan and it is not unusual to find the life boat on the bottom near the stern. That is because they are secured to the life boat davits and they get pulled down with the sinking ship in a scenario like this. Add to this the temperature of the water and your chances of survival are nil.
How much money you can make with a staged, overly dramatic action-mentary. Obviously. Nobody was interested in actual science here. It's a US American programme.
There are accounts of most historic events. Personal views vary and don't always have details or accuracy. Investigations often produce new information. But if you're the type who doesn't care for knowledge, you can always go back to mindlessly scrolling through social media. 😊
One more comment. In that 70’s video, Dr McInnis found all the cannons on one boat on the port side, leading him to believe that the cannons broke free on the Stbd side due to a heavy swell causing the boat to lean heavily to port. The stbd cannons to brake free, they came crashing down to port side, causing the boat to list more to port, causing the boat to be swamped.
Yes. Leave it to the Canadians to show respect to a shipwreck so they don't damage this graveyard. Typical American attitude. It's probably why 2 of your ships sit at the bottom of that lake.
I wonder that when James Cameron bemoans the deterioration of the Titanic. “We have to save the Titanic!” Why? The owners don’t want it back - and decay is a natural process.
@@CaraFay-bf8jk Decay caused by the environment is not the same as accelerated decay caused by additional damage of modern origin. Wrecks that are also graves should be left alone out of respect. Not that nobody should visit them. just that they shouldn't do anything to them when down there.
@@whyjnot420first love your @ but yea that’s the point he literally never mentioned it being a grave site as one of the reasons to not do it. Just focused on the ship itself. It seemed like the dude was just on a power trip. He was even practically hovering over the dude trying to drive the rov. It seems like he never wanted them to explore it to begin with and looked for an excuse
I ride my bicycle to the cemetary where these sailors are buried on the lake side in Hamilton. I normally sit down and have a sandwhich amoungst them while I read the headstones. I wish they would bring these ships up and the artifacts, a museum should be made for them instead of leaving them on the bottom for no one to see in person.
Wow I didn't see that before!!! They should definitely bring up those ships before they are destroyed!!! At least bring up what they can like those cutlass and the cannon!!!
the weird part of the history of these two ships was just after they were found the U.S.navy along with the army corps pf engineers offered at full cost to themselves to raise both ships give one to canada and keep one in buffalo to fully restore and every once in awhile swap ships or have visits(remember these are USA ships anyway) what a generous offer, Canada and the city of hamilton which owns the rights to these ships said no, hamilton fabricated a fake mast and put in fake headstones at confederation park with the names of the U.S. sailors along with a building at the local university named the hamilton and scourge where they were to be stored and renovated, of course nothing has happened the only fair thing is to get in touch with the U.S. navy and relinquish ownership to them, that is their only hope of surviving....if its not too late
Exactly it's probably way too late now but I don't get why Canada or some city has the rights to tell Americans what to do with their history and especially their war graves!!!! They should just stay out of it completely because they don't have a dog in this fight!!!
They both need to be raised before they collapse from the weight caused by the mussels and the cannon. They are priceless to history. Every effort must me made to save them both.
Remember reading National Geographic article on this from 1984 complete with underwater photos and Ned Meyers quotes. Sad to see no recovery has been made and the mussels are completing the degradation that hasn't happened otherwise.
You can't raise it, it takes an ROV to explore it, just go for it, it's already been recorded for history and this may be the only chance to find out more so grow some and just do it, there's nothing to lose.
I would like to disagree with you. But any Canadian Tax money going towards an American wreck should have to be paid back from the US Gov't with interest.
Always the same story... equipment don't work/damaged. Wreck in question never gets explored...go to a easier most visited wreck. Show the world that you can scuba...and get into great peril and drama (over the top drama) and the view realizes he just wasted his time viewing. All wreck dives is the same ole' damn thing.
I miss the documentary style that the History and Discovery channels had back in the mid 90's. Much more informative and not filled with the fabricated drama/emergencies and lack of focus on the actual shipwrecks like with these newer ones.
Kind of rediculous, their idea of damage is any sort of physical contact. Leave that guy behind next time. You'll never get to explore wrecks with people like this.
Exactly! He waisted all the money and all their work for nothing because he's scared it might collapse??? It's probably collapsed now!!! They need to leave cowards on shore!!!
Who cares about damage, the boat is already damaged and sunk and rotting away. There is literally no reason to worry about more damage, its going to fall apart and rot away regardless. These people make no sense. Pointless to preserve something that no one will ever see other than those that are there. It serves no purpose to save this damaged wreck from damage. People need to find better hobbies.
So if your grandmother’s gravestone was chipped… because it was going to break down and decay overtime… you’d be ok with someone coming along with a sledgehammer and shattering it? This is someone’s grave… have some sanctity…
People's gravestones are on land. This is a shipwreck. Not a graveyard however you spin it. Canada is still aligned with British which are still embarrassed that America took these ships. Coincidentally it's a Canadian who calls off the search so something no one can see doesn't get damaged. Idiocracy at it's best
Do all American documentary makers go to the same school? Excessive music, jarring shifts, mad drumbeating and most irritating of all a whoosh noise and flash at each change of picture. FLASH! FLASH! FLASH! How could they make it less watchable? TV in the States is a stressful experience. I'm gone.
This documentary is more than a decade and things have changed. Mostly it was designed to keep your attention as the two networks that used it were owned by different corporations and fighting for the same audience. This was also back when both networks actually had real historical information and not reality TV.
Do all English historians (and documentarians) need to repeatedly preempt every single assertion with the words "sort of"? Is this due to the inability to commit or just sheer lack of language skills?
Back in the 70’s I watched a video by Dr. McInnis, (spelling?) of the two boats. At that time they were in pristine condition. The masts were still in place and there weren’t any zebra muscles. I mentioned that these wreaks should be salvaged. The usual reason was lack of funds. US and Canada didn’t want to deal with it. What a shame. A few years ago I searched for that video, but never found it.
That was respectful of them to call off the search. It's a war grave and the passage of time doesn't change that fact - I have no doubt that was the motivation and not concern about the hull of the ship.
But he did tho? Like almost word for word he only cared about the hull. Not once in his reasoning did he mention disturbing the graves. He’s an archeologist, who isn’t even on the team. they love power trips. That’s why everyone is upset in the comments lol
Sadly, there is a surviving fluted mortar ball from the Great Lakes battle sitting out in the elements in front of the Farmhouse Café in Cresskill, NJ. I asked the owner if he had acquired it from around the Great Lakes and he asked how I knew. He actually found out what it was but as he is not interested in such history it still sits as a planter. The National Museum of the Navy was notified but a reply was never received, so it sits. This is how bits of history disappear.
One of the reasons most probably died, was because most men couldn't swim. Most people couldn't swim at all, so without life jackets, if there isn't an opportunity to survive, well, you've had it.
Funny how these two ships are considered war graves, yet the H L Hunley was not given the same designation. As far as I'm concerned both ships should be raised, and the remains found in and around the ships be given proper burial with military honors. The ships could then be preserved and studied.
This is very interesting, never knew about them . The lake sounds like the lake ai lived in another state. It could be so quite and with in a second, she could be come a Ocean mad.
The sinking simulation was cute. With all the green and blue lights illuminating the water, when in reality it would have been pitch black. The archaeologist also just didn't cut it. Afraid of taking even the most tiny possible bit of initiative. Perhaps the regulations for a war grave and /or being filmed made him feel restricted, but this amount of care was over the top. It's not like the ROV has a big mass to begin with.
Its always the guy in the button up t-shirt that has no idea what hes doing, dressed like hes going to a wedding but hes standing in the middle of a Canadian lake
No mystery here. Ships were rendered unstable by altered use. Clearing holds and adding eight tons of deck weight ment they destined for the bottom in a sqale, especially with the hatches and windows open to servive a hot summer night.
Informative and wonderful historical coverage documentary about that natural event 🌪⚡️🌩⚡️🌪0ver great lake in Canada at [1812 AD] which caused sinking of two skuners of US navel fleets at that times
In the video, they claim that the wind pushed the ships over, and they filled with water. I've watched videos from the 70s of the wrecks, and what I never understood about that was that the guns were still in place. The ready rack still had the cannonball sitting in them. And I'm wondering if the down burst, instead of pushing the ships over onto their sides, acts. pushed the ship into the water and let it fill while still upright. It just doesn't make sense seeing the shape that everything was in on the decks of the ships that they rolled to the side. Both of these ships sat very low in the water because of the added weight of the guns and it wouldn't have taken much for them to bring water in through the gun port with just a little bit of a roll.
@20:40 If they are so priceless! Why not raise them? We have the tech. And yes, it would take years. But it can be done. Place deep living quarters for deep divers. Carefully remove the bagels. Then stabilize the wood of the metal you just cleaned. Disassemble and log every piece removed on and around the ships.
Can't dive this one, can't dive that one...... hey government, what color shirt do we have to wear on Mondays? How may squares of toilet paper can I use when I take a dump?
OMG the tether touched a 12” diameter wooden beam. So ridiculous touching something inside could collapse the stern of the boat. Thing pry won’t last another 100 years
It’s a wreck! Who cares about a bump or a bang! It’s not glass? Take a chill pill. It all amounts to disturbing a grave and being intrusive. Not right some how.
Believing a tether could destroy the entire stern or bumping into it could collapse the whole thing is just beyond me lol i mean i get it, dont ruin the ship, but bumping into it at micro speeds isnt gonna do much. Just me?
A sunken ship disintergrating under normal conditions will eventually collapse. I find it kinda ridiculous that the rules restrict any careful investigation with "Zero" damage or physical contact. Im not advocating destruction or excessive damage but the subject is ultimately doomed regardless.
How about tell the tale from a historical perspective, show the ship and leave out the Hollywood Drama. Bet you this is 10% historical, 90% speculation and drama. 47 min docu-drama in 10 min....
I don't see why thats not American waters??? Looks like they are closer to the US than Canada who shouldn't have anything to do with our ship wrecks anyway!!! It's our history and our ships!!!
Great documentary. However when knocking a muscle off is more important then understanding what happen. You get my point. Leave that guy at the house next time, you'll learn more.
yep i get your point - i always used to laugh at the doo gooders, when saying about having peace and quite at say a bird sanctuary, or not disturbing the habitats of bats etc, the thing is all wildlife etc get on best they can around us - look at the biggest bird sanctuary there is, any one know it, where it is
any guessed at Cape Canaveral, and what goes on there, interesting though that a single muscle poses so much threat to this expedition, which really in hind sight was already answered by the survivors from that night, but just confirmed by this, still its nice to be able to see the wreck with more modern aids, but again i ask, yes its a war grave, but these people didn't die because of war, but a storm
we in the UK raised the Mary Rose, hundreds perished, but it was a very important archeological find, aren't these wrecks important too, like Shackleton's wreck Endurance, will she be raised somehow?
and besides if this wreck was brought up, can the muscles not be sold off, i mean, is there no muscle farming off the lakes or is that a no no ? don't get me wrong, i am for protecting the environment, but in order to make that omlett eggs must suffer
I was really enjoying this until the director decided there wasn't enough "drama!" "Okay guys, I want you to get your tethers tangled up and we'll do cut away shots to add to the drama. Let's make it look like it's LIFE OR DEATH if you don't get loose in THREE minutes!" So much for "reality" anymore!
Americans always need to cram action into everything. I can't stand this sensationalized style, especially when it comes to science.
Yes, too much BS and not enough documentary.
@@Bassalicious Icebacks aka Canadians not Americans.
The Canadian License holder "Jonathon" needs a different line of work....get him out of the room and hand cuff him to the top deck
@@Bassalicious😂 We are definitely not watching the same things
As though of us who live right on the Great Lakes know, rogue storms can happen in a flash, and especially since it was a warm night. Cyclonic waterspouts would not be anything to get caught in, and you'd not know where it was coming from in the roaring dark, if that had happened... Each lake has its own ways of creating fatal difficulty. For instance, Lake Erie, where I am, can slosh from one end to the other, with winds alone..it's treachery lies in the fact that it is the most shallow..but we get storms rolling down from lake Ontario, just as much as diving down from L Huron. I'm always surprised, when someone sees the coast for the first time.. "wow, it's like the ocean!! I thought it was just a nice little lake!!" STAY SAFE, DIVERS!! ❤
It must be really friggin cold there💀
even lake st.clair can turn on a dime...seen it many a times
I've lived on Superior and Michigan. They both have their own personalities.
@@792slayer I know!! They're all different :) and then..Georgian Bay!!!
Duluth Bay, Minnesota is incredibly dangerous. As it's hundreds of feet deep, narrow, gazey, high slosh. Dozens of ships went down there, as well as another huge, n' deep choke point being the Apostle islands, where Wisconsin has shipping lanes.
Perhaps 10 minute content stretched to 47 minutes with negligible interior shots and detail.
I’d rather watch a 47 minute video than 10 minute video
Fast Forward lol
Your too generous. more like three minutes of decent footage.
Total WOT!
They spent a massive amount of money to figure out that a storm caused the boats to fill with water and sink.
A bugger mystery would be examining how you can type a comment we with only three functional brain cells. 😊
Zebra mussles.. Ugh. Wreck won't be whole much longer. Invasive species suck so bad!!
Buddy needs to grow a pair, dive down and push the bot through the window lol.
These wrecks are protected historic sites and war graves. The producers would have needed permits to do this filming and there would be significant fines if them damaged anything. My understanding of the Ontario Marine Protection Act is that penetration of the wrecks is not allowed. And not everyone wants to destroy a historic artifact. There are smaller ROVs that would fit through that window, but the one they're using is way too big.
In regards to extreme caution in entering the wrecks I would like to point out that as time passes and with the continuing destructive effects of invasive mussels, the wrecks will disappear without being thoroughly examined. He who dares wins.
My thoughts exactly
Indeed. Of course one doesn't want to risk too much, often it is wiser to wait for a better technology to show up because once a site is destroyed, the relics will still be there, but the information will be lost.
In this case, however, I'd say they do not have the luxury of waiting for better tech to be developed. It is only a matter of time until those cannons will demand their weight toll and crush the wrecks.
Jonathan radiates insecurity and anxiety. Would hate to work with him.
Documentaries like this remind me why I don't miss cable TV lol. All the fake drama, the music, the moronic questions "how did these people drown in a terrible storm?! How was a tiny wooden boat so dangerous in rough seas?!"
If a wreck is going to disintegrate over time then why not just get in there? No nobody will ever see inside now. And it's already a wreck. What a waste of time and money.
What makes those wrecks survive in freshwater i s also the absence of the shipworm, which can only survive in saltwater with enough salt-content. Thats also why shipwrecks in the east of the baltic sea are so well preserved.
Shipworm?😮
Also the lakes are extremely cold, which inhibits growth
Also, rampant Gonorrhea.
@@tjk_princeTeredo worms. They eat wood. They are the scourge of wooden ships. They taste like oysters, so...😮
I think the wooden ship survives better in saltwater then fresh.
May they rest in peace. God bless them and may God bless their families.
Even if the whole crew made it off the ship, in the darkness and wild seas with no life preservers and no one to pick them up, they all would have perished. I have dove many wrecks in Lake Michigan and it is not unusual to find the life boat on the bottom near the stern. That is because they are secured to the life boat davits and they get pulled down with the sinking ship in a scenario like this. Add to this the temperature of the water and your chances of survival are nil.
There were survivors who gave written accounts of the sinking? What are you researching?
How much money you can make with a staged, overly dramatic action-mentary. Obviously. Nobody was interested in actual science here. It's a US American programme.
There were survivors that did give their account!
There were survivors, so I’m not sure what your upset about
There are accounts of most historic events. Personal views vary and don't always have details or accuracy. Investigations often produce new information. But if you're the type who doesn't care for knowledge, you can always go back to mindlessly scrolling through social media. 😊
The original air date of this episode was December 17, 2009
One more comment. In that 70’s video, Dr McInnis found all the cannons on one boat on the port side, leading him to believe that the cannons broke free on the Stbd side due to a heavy swell causing the boat to lean heavily to port. The stbd cannons to brake free, they came crashing down to port side, causing the boat to list more to port, causing the boat to be swamped.
looked up the guy and found the name of the ship, if that helps in your investigation: 'HMS Breadalbane Shipwreck'
Jonathan is no fun at parties
The overseer is way too -paranoid, that ship is not going to crumble if you bump it .
That ship is not going to collapse from a bump from am ROV. It has sat there in fresh cold water for 200 + years. Leave it to the Canadians...
Yeah what a joke
Yes. Leave it to the Canadians to show respect to a shipwreck so they don't damage this graveyard. Typical American attitude. It's probably why 2 of your ships sit at the bottom of that lake.
@@michaelfrancis3558 wow, maybe we should all cck like Canada. Thanks what freedoms you have left on Americans
@@TheREALLibertyOrDeathwe have been in every international conflict the U S has been in , usually Canada is there before the U S , eg: ww1 and ww2
@@northlander4370 Canadian independence would not even exist without the US. So, there’s that.
How do you damage a "wreck"..?
You wreck it some more....
I wonder that when James Cameron bemoans the deterioration of the Titanic. “We have to save the Titanic!” Why? The owners don’t want it back - and decay is a natural process.
@@CaraFay-bf8jk Decay caused by the environment is not the same as accelerated decay caused by additional damage of modern origin.
Wrecks that are also graves should be left alone out of respect. Not that nobody should visit them. just that they shouldn't do anything to them when down there.
@@whyjnot420first love your @ but yea that’s the point he literally never mentioned it being a grave site as one of the reasons to not do it. Just focused on the ship itself. It seemed like the dude was just on a power trip. He was even practically hovering over the dude trying to drive the rov. It seems like he never wanted them to explore it to begin with and looked for an excuse
I ride my bicycle to the cemetary where these sailors are buried on the lake side in Hamilton. I normally sit down and have a sandwhich amoungst them while I read the headstones. I wish they would bring these ships up and the artifacts, a museum should be made for them instead of leaving them on the bottom for no one to see in person.
Stressing me out with all the un nessasary anxiety and blah blah 😮
My city is on the shore of Lake Ontario, thank you for this.
2:05 *CUTLASSES* ❤
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Wow I didn't see that before!!! They should definitely bring up those ships before they are destroyed!!!
At least bring up what they can like those cutlass and the cannon!!!
I wish I could go diving that deep or had a drone because that sword would be mine!!!
Was worried they might knick a zebra mussel off going through the windows. Wtf
Canada is watching you. Be afraid very very afraid. 😂
Watching from Aussie love your enthusiasm for your fishery
the weird part of the history of these two ships was just after they were found the U.S.navy along with the army corps pf engineers offered at full cost to themselves to raise both ships give one to canada and keep one in buffalo to fully restore and every once in awhile swap ships or have visits(remember these are USA ships anyway) what a generous offer, Canada and the city of hamilton which owns the rights to these ships said no, hamilton fabricated a fake mast and put in fake headstones at confederation park with the names of the U.S. sailors along with a building at the local university named the hamilton and scourge where they were to be stored and renovated, of course nothing has happened the only fair thing is to get in touch with the U.S. navy and relinquish ownership to them, that is their only hope of surviving....if its not too late
Exactly it's probably way too late now but I don't get why Canada or some city has the rights to tell Americans what to do with their history and especially their war graves!!!!
They should just stay out of it completely because they don't have a dog in this fight!!!
They both need to be raised before they collapse from the weight caused by the mussels and the cannon. They are priceless to history. Every effort must me made to save them both.
To worry more about wood damage than finding out how these men died is quite disrespectful.
Very interesting documentary
Remember reading National Geographic article on this from 1984 complete with underwater photos and Ned Meyers quotes. Sad to see no recovery has been made and the mussels are completing the degradation that hasn't happened otherwise.
You can't raise it, it takes an ROV to explore it, just go for it, it's already been recorded for history and this may be the only chance to find out more so grow some and just do it, there's nothing to lose.
i wonder how much one of those muskets is worth?
Canadian government is such a joke
I would like to disagree with you. But any Canadian Tax money going towards an American wreck should have to be paid back from the US Gov't with interest.
@@erikthorup4336 so they can regulate it but US pays for it. You are a joke
There's no tax money ey going towards the wreck, just Canada making laws. Not quite sure how Canada can restrict diving on a US wreck.
@@erikthorup4336shut up and apologize. That’s the most Canadian thing to do.
@@Backdaft94 it is in Canadian waters , just like the Edmund Fitzgerald !
The drama seems a little cooked...
@@robarnold4104 agreed. Very click baity
Always the same story... equipment don't work/damaged. Wreck in question never gets explored...go to a easier most visited wreck. Show the world that you can scuba...and get into great peril and drama (over the top drama) and the view realizes he just wasted his time viewing. All wreck dives is the same ole' damn thing.
Not all wreck dives - all US American documentaries. They're made by and for people who think science is boring.
I miss the documentary style that the History and Discovery channels had back in the mid 90's. Much more informative and not filled with the fabricated drama/emergencies and lack of focus on the actual shipwrecks like with these newer ones.
I could have explored that better using a cheap Amazon ROV.
👍👌✌️🗽🇺🇸💪thanks for showing this
A very groovy and informative documentary. Well filmed and narrated.
The drama is outrageous !!!!
Kind of rediculous, their idea of damage is any sort of physical contact. Leave that guy behind next time. You'll never get to explore wrecks with people like this.
Tell that overly cautious baby to go home
Exactly! He waisted all the money and all their work for nothing because he's scared it might collapse???
It's probably collapsed now!!!
They need to leave cowards on shore!!!
Anyone asking why so many people drowned in the Great Lakes, hasn't been to the Great Lakes.
Who cares about damage, the boat is already damaged and sunk and rotting away. There is literally no reason to worry about more damage, its going to fall apart and rot away regardless. These people make no sense. Pointless to preserve something that no one will ever see other than those that are there. It serves no purpose to save this damaged wreck from damage. People need to find better hobbies.
So if your grandmother’s gravestone was chipped… because it was going to break down and decay overtime… you’d be ok with someone coming along with a sledgehammer and shattering it? This is someone’s grave… have some sanctity…
People's gravestones are on land. This is a shipwreck. Not a graveyard however you spin it. Canada is still aligned with British which are still embarrassed that America took these ships. Coincidentally it's a Canadian who calls off the search so something no one can see doesn't get damaged. Idiocracy at it's best
Thought everyone knew by now. Dont touch our boats!
How much duck power do you think that boat had?
Reality TV style manufactured tension isn't a reason that anyone watches a show like this.
Its to waste time.
Thay archeologist is a massive baby... he makes Ontarians look bad 🤦
Can you imagine a world run by archaeologist? How weak everybody would be..
Watch some British Time Team episodes and rethink what you posted. This programme is so very US American it hurts.
That’s an extremely ignorant, and quite frankly braindead comment
Do all American documentary makers go to the same school? Excessive music, jarring shifts, mad drumbeating and most irritating of all a whoosh noise and flash at each change of picture. FLASH! FLASH! FLASH! How could they make it less watchable? TV in the States is a stressful experience. I'm gone.
This documentary is more than a decade and things have changed. Mostly it was designed to keep your attention as the two networks that used it were owned by different corporations and fighting for the same audience. This was also back when both networks actually had real historical information and not reality TV.
This was made by a Norwegian
Probably
Good, don't let the door hit you on the way out
Do all English historians (and documentarians) need to repeatedly preempt every single assertion with the words "sort of"? Is this due to the inability to commit or just sheer lack of language skills?
Back in the 70’s I watched a video by Dr. McInnis, (spelling?) of the two boats. At that time they were in pristine condition. The masts were still in place and there weren’t any zebra muscles. I mentioned that these wreaks should be salvaged. The usual reason was lack of funds. US and Canada didn’t want to deal with it. What a shame. A few years ago I searched for that video, but never found it.
That was respectful of them to call off the search. It's a war grave and the passage of time doesn't change that fact - I have no doubt that was the motivation and not concern about the hull of the ship.
But he did tho? Like almost word for word he only cared about the hull. Not once in his reasoning did he mention disturbing the graves. He’s an archeologist, who isn’t even on the team. they love power trips. That’s why everyone is upset in the comments lol
Sadly, there is a surviving fluted mortar ball from the Great Lakes battle sitting out in the elements in front of the Farmhouse Café in Cresskill, NJ. I asked the owner if he had acquired it from around the Great Lakes and he asked how I knew. He actually found out what it was but as he is not interested in such history it still sits as a planter. The National Museum of the Navy was notified but a reply was never received, so it sits. This is how bits of history disappear.
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One of the reasons most probably died, was because most men couldn't swim. Most people couldn't swim at all, so without life jackets, if there isn't an opportunity to survive, well, you've had it.
Funny how these two ships are considered war graves, yet the H L Hunley was not given the same designation. As far as I'm concerned both ships should be raised, and the remains found in and around the ships be given proper burial with military honors. The ships could then be preserved and studied.
The Hunley was raised and the crew remains were identified and buried. The US tries to ID the dead when recovery is feasible.
This is very interesting, never knew about them . The lake sounds like the lake ai lived in another state. It could be so quite and with in a second, she could be come a Ocean mad.
Thank you
I wish it were possible for them to be able to go down and get updated video and pictures of the titanic of the great lakes the Edmund Fitzgerald
I quit watch when sir wimpalot went on his weak power trip.
He took his time getting out of that!!!
The sinking simulation was cute. With all the green and blue lights illuminating the water, when in reality it would have been pitch black.
The archaeologist also just didn't cut it. Afraid of taking even the most tiny possible bit of initiative. Perhaps the regulations for a war grave and /or being filmed made him feel restricted, but this amount of care was over the top. It's not like the ROV has a big mass to begin with.
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I understand the reasons why but its a shame we can't raise these beauties and put them in a museum
How curious that out of an entire fleet, only two ships were lost during that storm. Sounds like maybe there was a Union on both those ships.
This was not a very good documentary. To much unnecessary drama added in.
Its always the guy in the button up t-shirt that has no idea what hes doing, dressed like hes going to a wedding but hes standing in the middle of a Canadian lake
Sir how much money spent for this project?
So how much did it cost you? Snotty comments about how others spend their cash say more about you than them.
No mystery here. Ships were rendered unstable by altered use. Clearing holds and adding eight tons of deck weight ment they destined for the bottom in a sqale, especially with the hatches and windows open to servive a hot summer night.
You're obviously an analytical genius. You should be making millions from brilliant historical ship analysis and consulting. 🤣
Informative and wonderful historical coverage documentary about that natural event 🌪⚡️🌩⚡️🌪0ver great lake in Canada at [1812 AD] which caused sinking of two skuners of US navel fleets at that times
That guy was worried about colapsing the wreck! Shows how stupid he is.
Even from the shore, a Lake Ontario storm can come out of nowhere; I have seen many of them.
So "the Fletchers" were not really neccessary for this whole project. Just getting in the way and sticking their heads in front of the camera. 😀
They are two of the highest regarded ship wreck experts in the business, that's why they are there.
In the video, they claim that the wind pushed the ships over, and they filled with water. I've watched videos from the 70s of the wrecks, and what I never understood about that was that the guns were still in place. The ready rack still had the cannonball sitting in them. And I'm wondering if the down burst, instead of pushing the ships over onto their sides, acts. pushed the ship into the water and let it fill while still upright. It just doesn't make sense seeing the shape that everything was in on the decks of the ships that they rolled to the side. Both of these ships sat very low in the water because of the added weight of the guns and it wouldn't have taken much for them to bring water in through the gun port with just a little bit of a roll.
Nice SURD O2 dive😎 divers go to 50 foot in the chamber for surface deco, not same depth as last in water stop.
@20:40 If they are so priceless! Why not raise them? We have the tech. And yes, it would take years. But it can be done. Place deep living quarters for deep divers. Carefully remove the bagels. Then stabilize the wood of the metal you just cleaned. Disassemble and log every piece removed on and around the ships.
won't even waste my time
Me too, clickbait.
Did anyone consider a camera on the end of a stick?
Very little of actual inside & outside of ships, lots of topside fill in for the show
What, that little ROV might collapse the stern of a ship that’s survived countless storms and current since it sank, laughable!!! 😂😂😂
Can't dive this one, can't dive that one...... hey government, what color shirt do we have to wear on Mondays? How may squares of toilet paper can I use when I take a dump?
OMG the tether touched a 12” diameter wooden beam. So ridiculous touching something inside could collapse the stern of the boat. Thing pry won’t last another 100 years
Invasive muscles are everywhere.
It's simple, the ship took on water and quickly sank. Leave these ships and the dead alone!
And this is the point where the viewer realizes she’s wasting her time
How very interesting. 🤔
Got part way through. Had to shut it off due to the unnecessary drama from narrator. May have been a great video with no or limited commentary.
It was probably dark below deck too. Sleeping sailors wouldn't stand much of a chance.
Evnthough they are already rest deep down,in the dark,really amaze wtch them in their final resting place.,♨️
I think it's a little too late to worry about damage.
I think the solution would be to develop smaller non-tethered battery powered ROVs that could dock to charging stations on a larger tethered one.
It’s a wreck! Who cares about a bump or a bang! It’s not glass? Take a chill pill. It all amounts to disturbing a grave and being intrusive. Not right some how.
If everyone was out of the boat; they would still die unless they were by the land. Several ways one would die out in the water.
Believing a tether could destroy the entire stern or bumping into it could collapse the whole thing is just beyond me lol i mean i get it, dont ruin the ship, but bumping into it at micro speeds isnt gonna do much. Just me?
I really doubt that there's any crew on the ships! They would have gotten off when it went down!
In a storm like that you're ready for anything!!!
A sunken ship disintergrating under normal conditions will eventually collapse. I find it kinda ridiculous that the rules restrict any careful investigation with "Zero" damage or physical contact. Im not advocating destruction or excessive damage but the subject is ultimately doomed regardless.
A Crewmember may have had a birthday, they all got drunk and ate a full meal and could not escape. Simple answers to questions as this are easy.
God blew and scattered the enemy 😑
How about tell the tale from a historical perspective, show the ship and leave out the Hollywood Drama. Bet you this is 10% historical, 90% speculation and drama. 47 min docu-drama in 10 min....
70 miles from their home.
I don't see why thats not American waters???
Looks like they are closer to the US than Canada who shouldn't have anything to do with our ship wrecks anyway!!!
It's our history and our ships!!!