The Sunken Gunships Frozen In The Great Lakes | Dive Detectives
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- In the depths of Canada’s Lake Ontario rest two of the best preserved wooden shipwrecks in the entire world. The Hamilton and the Scourge have been frozen in time for nearly two centuries.
The gunships vanished in a violent summer storm August 8, 1813. They were part of the American fleet, battling the British navy for control of the Great Lakes during the War of 1812. The ships disappeared in just moments, taking most of their crews, more than 80 men, to the bottom. There is no record of a navy inquest, and the tragedy has never been fully investigated.
The Fletchers join forces with a team of archaeologists, scientists and marine engineers in an attempt to penetrate the wrecks for the first time since their sinking. Guided by the testimony of Ned Myers - a sailor who dictated the only surviving eyewitness account of the disaster - the team work to uncover the truth behind the sinking and why so many lives were lost.
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As though of us who live right on the Great Lakes know, rogue storms can happen in a flash, and especially since it was a warm night. Cyclonic waterspouts would not be anything to get caught in, and you'd not know where it was coming from in the roaring dark, if that had happened... Each lake has its own ways of creating fatal difficulty. For instance, Lake Erie, where I am, can slosh from one end to the other, with winds alone..it's treachery lies in the fact that it is the most shallow..but we get storms rolling down from lake Ontario, just as much as diving down from L Huron. I'm always surprised, when someone sees the coast for the first time.. "wow, it's like the ocean!! I thought it was just a nice little lake!!" STAY SAFE, DIVERS!! ❤
It must be really friggin cold there💀
even lake st.clair can turn on a dime...seen it many a times
I've lived on Superior and Michigan. They both have their own personalities.
@@792slayer I know!! They're all different :) and then..Georgian Bay!!!
Duluth Bay, Minnesota is incredibly dangerous. As it's hundreds of feet deep, narrow, gazey, high slosh. Dozens of ships went down there, as well as another huge, n' deep choke point being the Apostle islands, where Wisconsin has shipping lanes.
Great documentary. However when knocking a muscle off is more important then understanding what happen. You get my point. Leave that guy at the house next time, you'll learn more.
yep i get your point - i always used to laugh at the doo gooders, when saying about having peace and quite at say a bird sanctuary, or not disturbing the habitats of bats etc, the thing is all wildlife etc get on best they can around us - look at the biggest bird sanctuary there is, any one know it, where it is
any guessed at Cape Canaveral, and what goes on there, interesting though that a single muscle poses so much threat to this expedition, which really in hind sight was already answered by the survivors from that night, but just confirmed by this, still its nice to be able to see the wreck with more modern aids, but again i ask, yes its a war grave, but these people didn't die because of war, but a storm
we in the UK raised the Mary Rose, hundreds perished, but it was a very important archeological find, aren't these wrecks important too, like Shackleton's wreck Endurance, will she be raised somehow?
and besides if this wreck was brought up, can the muscles not be sold off, i mean, is there no muscle farming off the lakes or is that a no no ? don't get me wrong, i am for protecting the environment, but in order to make that omlett eggs must suffer
Perhaps 10 minute content stretched to 47 minutes with negligible interior shots and detail.
I’d rather watch a 47 minute video than 10 minute video
Fast Forward lol
Your too generous. more like three minutes of decent footage.
Stressing me out with all the un nessasary anxiety and blah blah 😮
The original air date of this episode was December 17, 2009
Jonathan radiates insecurity and anxiety. Would hate to work with him.
They both need to be raised before they collapse from the weight caused by the mussels and the cannon. They are priceless to history. Every effort must me made to save them both.
the weird part of the history of these two ships was just after they were found the U.S.navy along with the army corps pf engineers offered at full cost to themselves to raise both ships give one to canada and keep one in buffalo to fully restore and every once in awhile swap ships or have visits(remember these are USA ships anyway) what a generous offer, Canada and the city of hamilton which owns the rights to these ships said no, hamilton fabricated a fake mast and put in fake headstones at confederation park with the names of the U.S. sailors along with a building at the local university named the hamilton and scourge where they were to be stored and renovated, of course nothing has happened the only fair thing is to get in touch with the U.S. navy and relinquish ownership to them, that is their only hope of surviving....if its not too late
To worry more about wood damage than finding out how these men died is quite disrespectful.
Watching from Aussie love your enthusiasm for your fishery
So "the Fletchers" were not really neccessary for this whole project. Just getting in the way and sticking their heads in front of the camera. 😀
They are two of the highest regarded ship wreck experts in the business, that's why they are there.
One more comment. In that 70’s video, Dr McInnis found all the cannons on one boat on the port side, leading him to believe that the cannons broke free on the Stbd side due to a heavy swell causing the boat to lean heavily to port. The stbd cannons to brake free, they came crashing down to port side, causing the boat to list more to port, causing the boat to be swamped.
looked up the guy and found the name of the ship, if that helps in your investigation: 'HMS Breadalbane Shipwreck'
Very interesting documentary
Thought everyone knew by now. Dont touch our boats!
How much duck power do you think that boat had?
i wonder how much one of those muskets is worth?
Thay archeologist is a massive baby... he makes Ontarians look bad 🤦
No mystery here. Ships were rendered unstable by altered use. Clearing holds and adding eight tons of deck weight ment they destined for the bottom in a sqale, especially with the hatches and windows open to servive a hot summer night.
Remember reading National Geographic article on this from 1984 complete with underwater photos and Ned Meyers quotes. Sad to see no recovery has been made and the mussels are completing the degradation that hasn't happened otherwise.
Reality TV style manufactured tension isn't a reason that anyone watches a show like this.
Its to waste time.
👍👌✌️🗽🇺🇸💪thanks for showing this
Even from the shore, a Lake Ontario storm can come out of nowhere; I have seen many of them.
fletchers❤
That guy was worried about colapsing the wreck! Shows how stupid he is.
@20:40 If they are so priceless! Why not raise them? We have the tech. And yes, it would take years. But it can be done. Place deep living quarters for deep divers. Carefully remove the bagels. Then stabilize the wood of the metal you just cleaned. Disassemble and log every piece removed on and around the ships.
And this is the point where the viewer realizes she’s wasting her time
How stupid. The wreck is already damaged..it's SUNK. That ship needs to be explored. Worrying about a collapse is stupid. If that Stern is so weak, the Lake will destroy it on its own. We need the info.
It’s a wreck! Who cares about a bump or a bang! It’s not glass? Take a chill pill. It all amounts to disturbing a grave and being intrusive. Not right some how.
So they've never heard of Nitrox and decompression stops?
How about tell the tale from a historical perspective, show the ship and leave out the Hollywood Drama. Bet you this is 10% historical, 90% speculation and drama. 47 min docu-drama in 10 min....
Oh my gosh!!!!!! Jonathan is a va-jay-jay!!! Afraid to damage the boat?!?!? Risk vs reward here fellas!!! It’s been underwater for 200 years!!! It’s gonna collapse at some point anyway. I can’t believe bumping the window sill is going be all that disastrous. It’s frustrating to watch. Every single dive I have to listen to the decompression explanation drama etc. Jeez!
I enjoy the topics covered on this chsnnel, but god the forced drama & suspense is horrible.
God blew and scattered the enemy 😑
That’s a lot of ads
anyone else triggered by the random unsecured truck trailer able to slosh around on deck?
The guy talking at 21:25 needs to stop
Welp… that was a waste of my time
I would have sent in the the RV those ships were made of old forest oak gimme a break "so fragile" haha he's fragile
another load of rubish
Johnathan should not be an archeologist. What a disgrace!!!
I was really enjoying this until the director decided there wasn't enough "drama!" "Okay guys, I want you to get your tethers tangled up and we'll do cut away shots to add to the drama. Let's make it look like it's LIFE OR DEATH if you don't get loose in THREE minutes!" So much for "reality" anymore!
Americans always need to cram action into everything. I can't stand this sensationalized style, especially when it comes to science.
Yes, too much BS and not enough documentary.
@@Bassalicious Icebacks aka Canadians not Americans.
The Canadian License holder "Jonathon" needs a different line of work....get him out of the room and hand cuff him to the top deck
@@Bassalicious😂 We are definitely not watching the same things
Zebra mussles.. Ugh. Wreck won't be whole much longer. Invasive species suck so bad!!
Always the same story... equipment don't work/damaged. Wreck in question never gets explored...go to a easier most visited wreck. Show the world that you can scuba...and get into great peril and drama (over the top drama) and the view realizes he just wasted his time viewing. All wreck dives is the same ole' damn thing.
Not all wreck dives - all US American documentaries. They're made by and for people who think science is boring.
I miss the documentary style that the History and Discovery channels had back in the mid 90's. Much more informative and not filled with the fabricated drama/emergencies and lack of focus on the actual shipwrecks like with these newer ones.
I could have explored that better using a cheap Amazon ROV.
That ship is not going to collapse from a bump from am ROV. It has sat there in fresh cold water for 200 + years. Leave it to the Canadians...
Yeah what a joke
Yes. Leave it to the Canadians to show respect to a shipwreck so they don't damage this graveyard. Typical American attitude. It's probably why 2 of your ships sit at the bottom of that lake.
@@michaelfrancis3558 wow, maybe we should all cck like Canada. Thanks what freedoms you have left on Americans
Buddy needs to grow a pair, dive down and push the bot through the window lol.
Was worried they might knick a zebra mussel off going through the windows. Wtf
Canada is watching you. Be afraid very very afraid. 😂
They spent a massive amount of money to figure out that a storm caused the boats to fill with water and sink.
Tell that overly cautious baby to go home
How do you damage a "wreck"..?
You wreck it some more....
I wonder that when James Cameron bemoans the deterioration of the Titanic. “We have to save the Titanic!” Why? The owners don’t want it back - and decay is a natural process.
@@CaraFay-bf8jk Decay caused by the environment is not the same as accelerated decay caused by additional damage of modern origin.
Wrecks that are also graves should be left alone out of respect. Not that nobody should visit them. just that they shouldn't do anything to them when down there.
@@whyjnot420first love your @ but yea that’s the point he literally never mentioned it being a grave site as one of the reasons to not do it. Just focused on the ship itself. It seemed like the dude was just on a power trip. He was even practically hovering over the dude trying to drive the rov. It seems like he never wanted them to explore it to begin with and looked for an excuse
There were survivors who gave written accounts of the sinking? What are you researching?
How much money you can make with a staged, overly dramatic action-mentary. Obviously. Nobody was interested in actual science here. It's a US American programme.
There were survivors that did give their account!
There were survivors, so I’m not sure what your upset about
The overseer is way too -paranoid, that ship is not going to crumble if you bump it .
The drama seems a little cooked...
All their documentaries are the same, they're just a pair of drama mechants, these programs are made for city people not for serious historians.
@@robarnold4104 agreed. Very click baity
Documentaries like this remind me why I don't miss cable TV lol. All the fake drama, the music, the moronic questions "how did these people drown in a terrible storm?! How was a tiny wooden boat so dangerous in rough seas?!"
Canadian government is such a joke
I would like to disagree with you. But any Canadian Tax money going towards an American wreck should have to be paid back from the US Gov't with interest.
@@erikthorup4336 so they can regulate it but US pays for it. You are a joke
There's no tax money ey going towards the wreck, just Canada making laws. Not quite sure how Canada can restrict diving on a US wreck.
@@erikthorup4336shut up and apologize. That’s the most Canadian thing to do.
If a wreck is going to disintegrate over time then why not just get in there? No nobody will ever see inside now. And it's already a wreck. What a waste of time and money.
I quit watch when sir wimpalot went on his weak power trip.
What makes those wrecks survive in freshwater i s also the absence of the shipworm, which can only survive in saltwater with enough salt-content. Thats also why shipwrecks in the east of the baltic sea are so well preserved.
Shipworm?😮
Also the lakes are extremely cold, which inhibits growth
Also, rampant Gonorrhea.
@@tjk_princeTeredo worms. They eat wood. They are the scourge of wooden ships. They taste like oysters, so...😮
I think the wooden ship survives better in saltwater then fresh.
2:05 *CUTLASSES* ❤
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What, that little ROV might collapse the stern of a ship that’s survived countless storms and current since it sank, laughable!!! 😂😂😂
This was not a very good documentary. To much unnecessary drama added in.
Do all American documentary makers go to the same school? Excessive music, jarring shifts, mad drumbeating and most irritating of all a whoosh noise and flash at each change of picture. FLASH! FLASH! FLASH! How could they make it less watchable? TV in the States is a stressful experience. I'm gone.
This documentary is more than a decade and things have changed. Mostly it was designed to keep your attention as the two networks that used it were owned by different corporations and fighting for the same audience. This was also back when both networks actually had real historical information and not reality TV.
This was made by a Norwegian
Probably
Good, don't let the door hit you on the way out
Do all English historians (and documentarians) need to repeatedly preempt every single assertion with the words "sort of"? Is this due to the inability to commit or just sheer lack of language skills?
Sir how much money spent for this project?
Who cares about damage, the boat is already damaged and sunk and rotting away. There is literally no reason to worry about more damage, its going to fall apart and rot away regardless. These people make no sense. Pointless to preserve something that no one will ever see other than those that are there. It serves no purpose to save this damaged wreck from damage. People need to find better hobbies.
So if your grandmother’s gravestone was chipped… because it was going to break down and decay overtime… you’d be ok with someone coming along with a sledgehammer and shattering it? This is someone’s grave… have some sanctity…
Can you imagine a world run by archaeologist? How weak everybody would be..
Watch some British Time Team episodes and rethink what you posted. This programme is so very US American it hurts.
That’s an extremely ignorant, and quite frankly braindead comment
One of the reasons most probably died, was because most men couldn't swim. Most people couldn't swim at all, so without life jackets, if there isn't an opportunity to survive, well, you've had it.
Funny how these two ships are considered war graves, yet the H L Hunley was not given the same designation. As far as I'm concerned both ships should be raised, and the remains found in and around the ships be given proper burial with military honors. The ships could then be preserved and studied.
won't even waste my time
Me too, clickbait.
I ride my bicycle to the cemetary where these sailors are buried on the lake side in Hamilton. I normally sit down and have a sandwhich amoungst them while I read the headstones. I wish they would bring these ships up and the artifacts, a museum should be made for them instead of leaving them on the bottom for no one to see in person.
Even if the whole crew made it off the ship, in the darkness and wild seas with no life preservers and no one to pick them up, they all would have perished. I have dove many wrecks in Lake Michigan and it is not unusual to find the life boat on the bottom near the stern. That is because they are secured to the life boat davits and they get pulled down with the sinking ship in a scenario like this. Add to this the temperature of the water and your chances of survival are nil.
You can't raise it, it takes an ROV to explore it, just go for it, it's already been recorded for history and this may be the only chance to find out more so grow some and just do it, there's nothing to lose.
you are destroying the video with the boring background music. I can't hear when you do that. No more timeline for me.
Waste of time.
Back in the 70’s I watched a video by Dr. McInnis, (spelling?) of the two boats. At that time they were in pristine condition. The masts were still in place and there weren’t any zebra muscles. I mentioned that these wreaks should be salvaged. The usual reason was lack of funds. US and Canada didn’t want to deal with it. What a shame. A few years ago I searched for that video, but never found it.
#🐎💩 so much mis-information and contradictions, in this documentary. 😢lots of voice overs too... That insinuate emergencies.
Drama drama drama. This is why I don’t watch TV anymore.
Focus on facts. Less BS music, and less breaks. What happened to the History Channel?
A sunken ship disintergrating under normal conditions will eventually collapse. I find it kinda ridiculous that the rules restrict any careful investigation with "Zero" damage or physical contact. Im not advocating destruction or excessive damage but the subject is ultimately doomed regardless.
Thanks.
Kind of rediculous, their idea of damage is any sort of physical contact. Leave that guy behind next time. You'll never get to explore wrecks with people like this.
Anyone asking why so many people drowned in the Great Lakes, hasn't been to the Great Lakes.
The tether dive voice sounds fake. Sounds like they did a voice over, the guys voice just seems bland like he’s not in the moment of a tangled line.
I am familiar with these wrecks. National Geographic did a great article on them back in the 1980s, I think? I was a kid, I remember vividly reading that story complete with excerpts from the eye-witness account. Had some great illustrations as well as photos of the wrecks taken by ROVs that were frankly just as good as what are in the video. All this did was confirm what was already known. Sorry, this was a waste of time. Try again....
Why is it that Canada is diving on a American Navy ships?
If everyone was out of the boat; they would still die unless they were by the land. Several ways one would die out in the water.
What a waste of time. Stupid narration dialogue by Mr. Obvious.
In the video, they claim that the wind pushed the ships over, and they filled with water. I've watched videos from the 70s of the wrecks, and what I never understood about that was that the guns were still in place. The ready rack still had the cannonball sitting in them. And I'm wondering if the down burst, instead of pushing the ships over onto their sides, acts. pushed the ship into the water and let it fill while still upright. It just doesn't make sense seeing the shape that everything was in on the decks of the ships that they rolled to the side. Both of these ships sat very low in the water because of the added weight of the guns and it wouldn't have taken much for them to bring water in through the gun port with just a little bit of a roll.
Here's a bright idea... why not park the ship where you DO have a straight line to the stern?
Ik... crazy right? 🙃
Oh my gosh!!!!!! Jonathan is a va-jay-jay!!! Afraid to damage the boat?!?!? Risk vs reward here fellas!!! It’s been underwater for 200 years!!! It’s gonna collapse at some point anyway. I can’t believe bumping the window sill is going be all that disastrous. It’s frustrating to watch. Every single dive I have to listen to the decompression explanation drama etc. Jeez!
Can't dive this one, can't dive that one...... hey government, what color shirt do we have to wear on Mondays? How may squares of toilet paper can I use when I take a dump?
Very little of actual inside & outside of ships, lots of topside fill in for the show
You guys really know how to waste money. No wonder these adventures cost so much. You could have easily just put a 20x40cm window frame in a pool and see if you could drive the ROV through it. But no, you go all out and build a whole wall.
A Crewmember may have had a birthday, they all got drunk and ate a full meal and could not escape. Simple answers to questions as this are easy.
The bald dude running the camera was ready!!
And why don't you simply engineer at 360 stick to go underwater? Then you can go right up to the window.Stick the stick in and have three sixty view
Hilarious how they dubbed in fake diver communications
Evnthough they are already rest deep down,in the dark,really amaze wtch them in their final resting place.,♨️
Believing a tether could destroy the entire stern or bumping into it could collapse the whole thing is just beyond me lol i mean i get it, dont ruin the ship, but bumping into it at micro speeds isnt gonna do much. Just me?
I think it's a little too late to worry about damage.
H oshi ĥhpi
I think the solution would be to develop smaller non-tethered battery powered ROVs that could dock to charging stations on a larger tethered one.
How is there going to be guns on port side to remover around when the window you guys are driving the rov through is literally under deck level 😂 22:30, that guy doesnt even know his left or rights
What a waste of gov money.