The lack of purpose seems ridiculously common in retired soldiers, heartbreaking yet completely understandable. Huge amount of love and respect to these 4 brave souls.
Indeed, after serving 10 yrs it was hard for me to transition, I can’t imagine 23 yrs or longer especially what they went through, I went through hell but not like these 4
It’s hard to find purpose in the modern world after you’ve been outside the wire and you are dedicated to an objective, your brothers and keeping each other alive.
The institution is a prison of the mind. God bless all those who serve. Somehow I submitted, and never stopped my escape mentality. Never quit. Everything hurts, but others need you.
African American here, I didn’t get deployed but I was at fort hood during the Vanessa Guillén situation and I just want you guys to know that this isn’t just combat related. Thousands of people are going through this almost identity crisis from dealing with everyday life in the military. It’s hard to re integrate into society because even though we didn’t deploy there’s things civilians just won’t understand. I’ve lost an unreal about of people in the military and we never left the states. If you have friends that were in and didn’t deploy still check up on them ❤️🇺🇸🤞🏾
My mouth dropped when John mentioned to amount of suicide’s committed by Aussie soldiers after the war, this was the most powerful video yet I love all 4 of these people they are incredible true fighting heroes
It is common in all armies, throughout the ages. And that is *"just"* how it ends for some. The various damages that exist amongst the ones who are still alive and tries everyday are numerous and complicated. Chronic pains, stuck on pills, insomnia, anxiety. You add isolation and solitude and you wind up with people who become addicts. When people see addicts they assume things offhand due to social stigma. But you never really know what that persons history is. During the U.S Civil war and the Napoleonic wars and that era, you saw beggars on streets with no limbs and crutches, and those were the lucky ones. The veterans who suffered mentally were put in madhouses with an existence not imaginable for people today. When you go back even further in time, your imagination is the only thing you have to lean on. But reading for decades about wars and societies gives you some ideas. The most shameful thing about our societies today is that we have military scholars who know of these histories, and psychologists who are supposed to know. And still we are seeing these people struggle, and not getting the help that they need. At the same time as you see politics handing out billions to other countries in aid. Even though attitude is the number one thing needed to aid these people. I would still rather see a pension fund be setup at least as big as the aids being handed out. But most of all a change in attitude. If we do not care about these people. That really tells you something. That life is governed by statistics, red tape and bureaucracy. I am failing these people too. We see demonstrations and activists on all fronts, but veterans are somehow lacking. And which people should we really care about first hand if not them. They are the ones out of all of us who commit to a cause which takes a toll physically and mentally. And demands responsibility and duty. They are rescuing hostages and preventing terrorism and defending our way of life. It is shameful.
I totally understand with Craig!! Ex bootneck 6 years in the corps. Was in the same troop as Toby before he went SB. Medically discharge in 2013 was posted at RMB chivenor. No send off, no help from The RMA, I was an after thought!! Lost everything, wife, kids, house, dog etc. just one lad who lives 20mins away from me who bothered to help me through my dark times. Now i own a construction company and employ ex military, in a long term relationship and have a massive network of people from all walks of life. “It’s not a crime to fall down, but it’s a Sin not to get back up!”
This is such a great series. Toby is such a nice guy, you can tell he has real empathy for Craig. I really hope Craig can get to a place where he feels better.. Really nice guy
Thank you everyone. Craig my Dad was treated the same whilst in the army, especially when he got an injury. People he was with for so many years of service don’t connect with each-other after leaving the army either. It’s hard to see this and I wish I could do something. Thank you for your service and for having this conversation.
I can relate to this. My Dad was similarly isolated after 22 years service in the Intelligence Corps. He served almost entirely abroad and had no connections back in the UK. The UK Government then buggered him about for over a year holding out the promise of a job in the Hong Kong Police Force (Dad's last posting; Cantonese speaker) whilst knowing full well that they had no intention whatsoever of recruiting British personnel to the Hong Kong police in the early eighties. I went down with him to Ashford (then Intelligence HQ) while he completed the formal discharge process. I will never forget watching him walk out of the office across the tarmac back to the car. He was pale and grey. A quarter of a century of service, countless thousands of hours of unpaid overtime and God knows how many dangerous situations where he could have lost his life or been seriously injured and, in the end, discharge was an administrative process performed by a young, disinterested clerk who had never suffered anything more dangerous than a paper cut. "Queen and country" has always been a hollow claim for me, even as a kid and increasingly so as I grew older and understood just how cynical those in power really are with respect to the brave servicemen and women who believe they are defending something worth fighting for.
@@pooooornopigeon No. He left the Army in 1984 following the implementation of the John Knott Defence Review. He was given his marching orders along with many others. Then TPTB realised they were getting rid of too many senior NCOs and asked him to stay. They even offered him a commission in the Education Corps. At that point, he told them to go away, although he may not have used that exact form of words.
@@pooooornopigeon He was WO1 Tom Murphy if that helps. Nominally based in HMS Tamar but worked in New territories and with the Hong Kong harbour police. As far as I can gather, he spetn most of his time assessing IIs for military intelligence. I know a little but - for obviouos reasons - not a lot.
@@thomasm1964 The name vaguely rings a bell although he would have been leaving when I came in, I was at Ashford initially then over the water, I never got to Hong Kong. An amazing man your dad, not only dangerous postings but being able to speak Cantonese, I dated a Russian/Chinese lass and could never pick up either language sufficiently. I am sorry how he was treated, these penpushers always seem to do this to good men and women through the ages. The only oath I had was to keep my men safe. Raise a glass to your dad as he is was and always will be a great man, regards.
My dad was in the the same situation as Craig, after doing 24 years and making a lot of mates and after he left only one person ever spoke to him after that and he was in a situation where he would break down because he felt so isolated
I really respect you each talking openly about this. Weirdly I started to feel angry.. had to stop & think why.. realised I felt helpless to do anything about the immense suffering. Who likes feeling helpless? ..but I’ll keep working in my little corner to make what difference I can. Big hugs 💙 to all the shattered souls out there 💛. We need a drop-in centre where people can just hang out, listen to metal & get hugs.
The fact there was no hesitation with any of them when they said "would you do it again ?". It's amazing how many of us no matter what country or branch. Many of us may have hated it when were in but we all say "yes" immediately when asked if we would do it again
What Craig said nearly made me cry. Cause this is a human failure. Even as a civilian I have been there. Noone understanding my situation, noone caring, asking. Thats nothing any human beeing deserves. I hope Craig - you get the change to open up to people that can share and carry your pain and give you a meaning in life!
I immediately bought Toby's audio book.... listening to it at the moment....holy shit it's humbling and funny too. Thank you for being you Toby, you bloody beaut. ❤❤
Many soldiers live in the past hence why they struggle to find a purpose. I served in both Iraq and Afghanistan where my regiment lost many blokes. Since serving in both countries, we have lost more to suicide. Some blokes refuse to move on and focus on the wrong things. I didn't want to move on at one point and found myself on the brink of depression I had to grip myself and establish a routine in my civilian life. I detached myself completely from the military, stopped speaking to blokes and attended reunions. Since I've sorted my life out, I'm much better mentally and now attend the reunions and speak to the blokes again. The key is to not dwell and take steps to help yourself. Although, all easier said than done but it is fucking possible.
Thank you too all of you from the deepest bottom of my heart. True hero’s for us all to be so damn proud of. If I was ever privileged to meet any of you, I’d love to buy you a drink and shake your hand.
I totally agree with what Craig said, I had exactly the same experience. After seeing so much shit and being shunned by the Army and then called by your mates a Remf since you have been classified as not fit, them then distancing themselves from you due to it, and then having no support when I left. I loved the Military, serving my country, and doing something of purpose, and that was the thanks I received..
I was done same way I was in the Marine Corps and my unit turned their back when I went to that unit mostly the senior leadership. I found out year's later my mentor drill instructor KIA while I was their then my assigned officer that I got close to at the special unit where I was processing out of military to medically retired committed suicide. I don't honestly know how to feel about death I've been around so much I think I'm numb to it lost so many friends
Who feels like they have a purpose? You don't have to have been in the army to feel like you have no purpose. It's just more pronounced when you actually felt you once had a purpose.
I did ten years and really wanted to leave through redundancy but when I was gone so was my world, my mates and my future. Given my time again, I don't know whether I would join, but we all would have done something differently. He is dead right about being institutionalised, it becomes your world, a world within the world, but it's your world where others have done what you have, struggled the same with the same problems.
A special forces soldier who got shot in the neck during combat, a sniper who broke world records, a WW2 veteran, and the person who had the most to say is a chinook crew member who wrote a book about passing time sitting in the back of chinook in iraq. Even when Craig was trying to speak she couldn't shut up and let him speak.
@@renatolaranja52 I noticed it too and it was appalling. It was obvious to me and I imagine, obvious to everyone else. WTF was she doing there? See, when you have Labor party types running the production company, this is the stupid stuff that happens. Kiss my Tory ask, and I'm from Nebraska.
I find interesting the difference between john and the other three... you can feel that they served because they choose to do it: they would've in any case. But when john said "I'd join if i thought it was worth fighting for" it hit a bit different. Not saying that it's better or worse, it's a subtle difference, but I feel it changes a lot of the ideas about soldiers and maybe why they do it. I'm one who believes soldiers shouldn't exist in an ideal world, but we are not there and a video like this is important, I feel.
John wasn't wrong when he spoke about the suicide rates amongst veterans in Australia. I grew up going to regiment family functions with my father and every year there were fewer and fewer veterans there. When I'd ask where people were, the response was a mumbled "Unfortunately they've passed away". It wasn't until I was an adult when I realised that most of them went at their own hand. The governments that send people away to experience combat and then do nothing to support them upon return are, in my mind, directly responsible for their deaths.
The fact that these service people struggle with finding purpose, kinda points to the fact that the 9-5 grind is working for the tax man to hit a government appointed retirement age, these guys actually enjoyed the freedom of their jobs and subscribed to the goals as opposed to pressing a button on a machine because it pays more than minimum wage and theres nothing else
I don't know if it's that more than the one thing we didn't like, the order of it all. It took a few years for me to wake up in the morning and freak out as if I was late for something. It's just an odd form of institutionalization and then some other things that's hard to wrap your head around. The biggest shocker is that most of your civilian friends aren't there anymore and they've gotten such a huge step ahead that you're left scrambling to find work alone. The majority won't ever find a job and then that becomes our order, it's unfortunate.
I don't know if you ever worked in the military, but freedom is the total opposite of what you have there! Pressing buttons and getting orders is the common thing there. I think these people here found it kind of hard to find a purpose on their own so that's why they ended up in the army (as many do tbh)-
@@Aaackermann It's what we thought was right at the time... Had I only known, I'd prefer to have stayed home, toked up, and went to college to waste a few semesters. I figured that's what I would do, so I joined the military to not do that... There's are some of us who are smart, but some aren't... The lesser ones are evil in what they'll do to advance in the military because they can't advance on their own and there's a quota.
21k views on this video, one of the lowest view rates on the channel! One of the many things I despise about this country, is the lack of interest in our forces! Stick a video up of a London criminal on how he wrecked havoc and took innocent peoples lives and it gets 100x more. It’s all wrong
I watched an American politician lament the ghosts of the men he killed in war who stand around his bed at night and I told a good friend who served in the Malayan emergency and he giggled saying his house isn't big enough for all his ghosts adding he sleeps perfectly it's the ghosts that have the problem they died supporting tyranny and time has proved him to be true and correct.
Not a solider, but I can relate I have PTSD due to severe violence and mental abuse I grew up around and suffered, I spent my early adult years becoming a young father and being a carer to mum who had always been disabled even through the violence from my childhood, now I am in my forties and have found myself also disabled and distanced from society, friends and family, and I will be honest I don't think I could mentally cope with maintaining friendships after all I have been through and do go through today.
I know how Craig feels I did 6 years in the Army and left because I was diagnosed with hashimoto's disease and under active thyroid but because it took the Dr's a year to diagnose me I was treated like shit so I left and cut all ties I had with anyone
Seems like there is also something inherently wrong with the general culture in the army if they leave and feel so alienated. Life in the army should have some reference to life outside the army.
No. You all see/feel reality. LADbible is a rare source that gets humanity. Easy way out is bullshit. Let's learn to play the bass. EDIT: I'll be there
Bootneck family needs to get round Craig, probably have already but just saying. Isolation is part of a depression reaction. Head Admin is the one thing they don't teach us.
Oh my god, I knew mental health had stigma (I have garden variety depression and anxiety?!) But that reaction from his squad is fucking disgraceful :( that's truely truely awful.
That's what the world is these days, we don't make anything in the west. Insurance and sitting in a call centre is the best hope for most people, no craftsmanship, no pride in your work. Even trades today you need some bullshit college certificate, you can't just turn up at a building site for work and health and safety you have to spend a few grand to get on the oil rigs etc.
U know all of this says to me is we need more peaple more friends in this world becouse all we do is kill. I dont know where everyones minds has gone. We should all train not only our body but also our minds. Adams children need to find better ways
We need to remember we wear a uniform so that when we take that off we are ourselves, we are not that soldier, that police officer, doctor or nurse. Time to be us. Thing is when we live with our muckers they are our family. Taken me a few years to realise my role has changed to father and husband. I've a friend who lost his lower leg in Iraq, the military and government backing in england is piss poor. I'd say discharged and forgotten about. I do feel for the state american military are kicked out and left to fend for themselves
We abandoned the women and children of Afghanistan. Think about what that generation of girls, who were able to learn how to read and write while we were killing their uncles, brothers and fathers… are going through now. Total oppression, and we were the answer. Mission failed.
Old man speaks wisdom and non of them listen to it. Sad. Truly sad lives we live in. This world is soo messed up its easier to leave it as it is now and deploy somewhere else bro haha
It’s so frustrating to see how brain washed these guys are that they would do it all over again… for what and for who? The guys up top clearly don’t give a fuck about you guys. The comradery is clearly the only thing that keeps them together and that is probably because deep down they know that they are all on their own and nobody outside that crew gives a fuck! So frustrating! It’s wrong man, these power hungry people need to fight their own war - trial by combat lol
The lack of purpose seems ridiculously common in retired soldiers, heartbreaking yet completely understandable. Huge amount of love and respect to these 4 brave souls.
Top sniper and carries the burden god bless him
Indeed, after serving 10 yrs it was hard for me to transition, I can’t imagine 23 yrs or longer especially what they went through, I went through hell but not like these 4
It’s hard to find purpose in the modern world after you’ve been outside the wire and you are dedicated to an objective, your brothers and keeping each other alive.
@@Gokenshiba Thank you for your service/sacrifice - appreciated
The institution is a prison of the mind. God bless all those who serve. Somehow I submitted, and never stopped my escape mentality. Never quit. Everything hurts, but others need you.
African American here, I didn’t get deployed but I was at fort hood during the Vanessa Guillén situation and I just want you guys to know that this isn’t just combat related. Thousands of people are going through this almost identity crisis from dealing with everyday life in the military. It’s hard to re integrate into society because even though we didn’t deploy there’s things civilians just won’t understand. I’ve lost an unreal about of people in the military and we never left the states. If you have friends that were in and didn’t deploy still check up on them ❤️🇺🇸🤞🏾
I love how straight up Craig is 😊
My mouth dropped when John mentioned to amount of suicide’s committed by Aussie soldiers after the war, this was the most powerful video yet I love all 4 of these people they are incredible true fighting heroes
Not just Aussies. All of them have a high rate of suicide. I know personally it's rampant for the US Army alone.
It is common in all armies, throughout the ages. And that is *"just"* how it ends for some. The various damages that exist amongst the ones who are still alive and tries everyday are numerous and complicated. Chronic pains, stuck on pills, insomnia, anxiety. You add isolation and solitude and you wind up with people who become addicts. When people see addicts they assume things offhand due to social stigma. But you never really know what that persons history is.
During the U.S Civil war and the Napoleonic wars and that era, you saw beggars on streets with no limbs and crutches, and those were the lucky ones. The veterans who suffered mentally were put in madhouses with an existence not imaginable for people today. When you go back even further in time, your imagination is the only thing you have to lean on. But reading for decades about wars and societies gives you some ideas. The most shameful thing about our societies today is that we have military scholars who know of these histories, and psychologists who are supposed to know. And still we are seeing these people struggle, and not getting the help that they need. At the same time as you see politics handing out billions to other countries in aid. Even though attitude is the number one thing needed to aid these people. I would still rather see a pension fund be setup at least as big as the aids being handed out. But most of all a change in attitude. If we do not care about these people. That really tells you something. That life is governed by statistics, red tape and bureaucracy.
I am failing these people too. We see demonstrations and activists on all fronts, but veterans are somehow lacking. And which people should we really care about first hand if not them. They are the ones out of all of us who commit to a cause which takes a toll physically and mentally. And demands responsibility and duty. They are rescuing hostages and preventing terrorism and defending our way of life.
It is shameful.
I totally understand with Craig!! Ex bootneck 6 years in the corps. Was in the same troop as Toby before he went SB. Medically discharge in 2013 was posted at RMB chivenor. No send off, no help from The RMA, I was an after thought!! Lost everything, wife, kids, house, dog etc. just one lad who lives 20mins away from me who bothered to help me through my dark times. Now i own a construction company and employ ex military, in a long term relationship and have a massive network of people from all walks of life. “It’s not a crime to fall down, but it’s a Sin not to get back up!”
Good on you well done
Well done Adam, I have been there too, " What doesn`t kill yo can only make you stronger " good on you mate.
I'm in the exact same boat now royal.
@@luigibgretta if you need to chat let me know mate. Always here to help others going through same difficulties as I did.
@@adamharrison2773 yes mate what do o reach you on?
This is such a great series.
Toby is such a nice guy, you can tell he has real empathy for Craig. I really hope Craig can get to a place where he feels better.. Really nice guy
Thank you everyone. Craig my Dad was treated the same whilst in the army, especially when he got an injury. People he was with for so many years of service don’t connect with each-other after leaving the army either. It’s hard to see this and I wish I could do something. Thank you for your service and for having this conversation.
I can relate to this. My Dad was similarly isolated after 22 years service in the Intelligence Corps. He served almost entirely abroad and had no connections back in the UK. The UK Government then buggered him about for over a year holding out the promise of a job in the Hong Kong Police Force (Dad's last posting; Cantonese speaker) whilst knowing full well that they had no intention whatsoever of recruiting British personnel to the Hong Kong police in the early eighties.
I went down with him to Ashford (then Intelligence HQ) while he completed the formal discharge process. I will never forget watching him walk out of the office across the tarmac back to the car. He was pale and grey. A quarter of a century of service, countless thousands of hours of unpaid overtime and God knows how many dangerous situations where he could have lost his life or been seriously injured and, in the end, discharge was an administrative process performed by a young, disinterested clerk who had never suffered anything more dangerous than a paper cut.
"Queen and country" has always been a hollow claim for me, even as a kid and increasingly so as I grew older and understood just how cynical those in power really are with respect to the brave servicemen and women who believe they are defending something worth fighting for.
Respect to your dad, was he there in the late 80`s out of interest ?
@@pooooornopigeon No. He left the Army in 1984 following the implementation of the John Knott Defence Review. He was given his marching orders along with many others. Then TPTB realised they were getting rid of too many senior NCOs and asked him to stay. They even offered him a commission in the Education Corps. At that point, he told them to go away, although he may not have used that exact form of words.
@@thomasm1964 I might possibly have met him as I started in `84, respect to your dad for telling them where to go.
@@pooooornopigeon He was WO1 Tom Murphy if that helps. Nominally based in HMS Tamar but worked in New territories and with the Hong Kong harbour police. As far as I can gather, he spetn most of his time assessing IIs for military intelligence. I know a little but - for obviouos reasons - not a lot.
@@thomasm1964 The name vaguely rings a bell although he would have been leaving when I came in, I was at Ashford initially then over the water, I never got to Hong Kong. An amazing man your dad, not only dangerous postings but being able to speak Cantonese, I dated a Russian/Chinese lass and could never pick up either language sufficiently. I am sorry how he was treated, these penpushers always seem to do this to good men and women through the ages. The only oath I had was to keep my men safe. Raise a glass to your dad as he is was and always will be a great man, regards.
My dad was in the the same situation as Craig, after doing 24 years and making a lot of mates and after he left only one person ever spoke to him after that and he was in a situation where he would break down because he felt so isolated
Story of my life literally!!
These people actually have one important purpose - to serve as examples, as heroes, and as inspiration for the world and its people.
I really respect you each talking openly about this. Weirdly I started to feel angry.. had to stop & think why.. realised I felt helpless to do anything about the immense suffering. Who likes feeling helpless? ..but I’ll keep working in my little corner to make what difference I can. Big hugs 💙 to all the shattered souls out there 💛. We need a drop-in centre where people can just hang out, listen to metal & get hugs.
Damn proud of every single one of you. Semper Fidelis.
Craig is a straight up G god bless him
The fact there was no hesitation with any of them when they said "would you do it again ?". It's amazing how many of us no matter what country or branch. Many of us may have hated it when were in but we all say "yes" immediately when asked if we would do it again
What Craig said nearly made me cry. Cause this is a human failure. Even as a civilian I have been there. Noone understanding my situation, noone caring, asking. Thats nothing any human beeing deserves. I hope Craig - you get the change to open up to people that can share and carry your pain and give you a meaning in life!
Thank you for your service 🙏
Toby has a distinctive South African accent. Brave man, all the people in that room are heroes
This is fascinating. Huge respect to them all.
I immediately bought Toby's audio book.... listening to it at the moment....holy shit it's humbling and funny too. Thank you for being you Toby, you bloody beaut. ❤❤
Many soldiers live in the past hence why they struggle to find a purpose. I served in both Iraq and Afghanistan where my regiment lost many blokes. Since serving in both countries, we have lost more to suicide. Some blokes refuse to move on and focus on the wrong things. I didn't want to move on at one point and found myself on the brink of depression I had to grip myself and establish a routine in my civilian life. I detached myself completely from the military, stopped speaking to blokes and attended reunions. Since I've sorted my life out, I'm much better mentally and now attend the reunions and speak to the blokes again. The key is to not dwell and take steps to help yourself. Although, all easier said than done but it is fucking possible.
Thank you too all of you from the deepest bottom of my heart. True hero’s for us all to be so damn proud of. If I was ever privileged to meet any of you, I’d love to buy you a drink and shake your hand.
Great interviews... I'd say the purpose afterwards is to fight to live a good life. However, that is. Never quit Never surrender
I totally agree with Craig 💯 when I left no one gives a shit even at work so I just keep myself to myself
Thank you LADbible❤️❤️
I totally agree with what Craig said, I had exactly the same experience. After seeing so much shit and being shunned by the Army and then called by your mates a Remf since you have been classified as not fit, them then distancing themselves from you due to it, and then having no support when I left. I loved the Military, serving my country, and doing something of purpose, and that was the thanks I received..
I worked with rescue teams for years and only people who I worked with get the banter
Powerful & thought provoking!!!
I was done same way I was in the Marine Corps and my unit turned their back when I went to that unit mostly the senior leadership. I found out year's later my mentor drill instructor KIA while I was their then my assigned officer that I got close to at the special unit where I was processing out of military to medically retired committed suicide. I don't honestly know how to feel about death I've been around so much I think I'm numb to it lost so many friends
Who feels like they have a purpose? You don't have to have been in the army to feel like you have no purpose. It's just more pronounced when you actually felt you once had a purpose.
Wow this is amazing
I did ten years and really wanted to leave through redundancy but when I was gone so was my world, my mates and my future.
Given my time again, I don't know whether I would join, but we all would have done something differently.
He is dead right about being institutionalised, it becomes your world, a world within the world, but it's your world where others have done what you have, struggled the same with the same problems.
A special forces soldier who got shot in the neck during combat, a sniper who broke world records, a WW2 veteran, and the person who had the most to say is a chinook crew member who wrote a book about passing time sitting in the back of chinook in iraq. Even when Craig was trying to speak she couldn't shut up and let him speak.
Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed
@@renatolaranja52 I noticed it too and it was appalling. It was obvious to me and I imagine, obvious to everyone else. WTF was she doing there? See, when you have Labor party types running the production company, this is the stupid stuff that happens. Kiss my Tory ask, and I'm from Nebraska.
I find interesting the difference between john and the other three... you can feel that they served because they choose to do it: they would've in any case. But when john said "I'd join if i thought it was worth fighting for" it hit a bit different.
Not saying that it's better or worse, it's a subtle difference, but I feel it changes a lot of the ideas about soldiers and maybe why they do it.
I'm one who believes soldiers shouldn't exist in an ideal world, but we are not there and a video like this is important, I feel.
John wasn't wrong when he spoke about the suicide rates amongst veterans in Australia. I grew up going to regiment family functions with my father and every year there were fewer and fewer veterans there. When I'd ask where people were, the response was a mumbled "Unfortunately they've passed away". It wasn't until I was an adult when I realised that most of them went at their own hand. The governments that send people away to experience combat and then do nothing to support them upon return are, in my mind, directly responsible for their deaths.
Culture and upbringing play a huge role in how people deal with ptsd (if they have it)
With Craig I did 16 years and am the same isolated. I to would join the marines if I had my time over again
The fact that these service people struggle with finding purpose, kinda points to the fact that the 9-5 grind is working for the tax man to hit a government appointed retirement age, these guys actually enjoyed the freedom of their jobs and subscribed to the goals as opposed to pressing a button on a machine because it pays more than minimum wage and theres nothing else
I don't know if it's that more than the one thing we didn't like, the order of it all. It took a few years for me to wake up in the morning and freak out as if I was late for something. It's just an odd form of institutionalization and then some other things that's hard to wrap your head around.
The biggest shocker is that most of your civilian friends aren't there anymore and they've gotten such a huge step ahead that you're left scrambling to find work alone. The majority won't ever find a job and then that becomes our order, it's unfortunate.
I don't know if you ever worked in the military, but freedom is the total opposite of what you have there! Pressing buttons and getting orders is the common thing there. I think these people here found it kind of hard to find a purpose on their own so that's why they ended up in the army (as many do tbh)-
@@Aaackermann It's what we thought was right at the time... Had I only known, I'd prefer to have stayed home, toked up, and went to college to waste a few semesters.
I figured that's what I would do, so I joined the military to not do that...
There's are some of us who are smart, but some aren't... The lesser ones are evil in what they'll do to advance in the military because they can't advance on their own and there's a quota.
@@Aaackermann restrictive whilst at base... polar opposite whilst in the area of operations
Is there anywhere we can watch the full episodes?
21k views on this video, one of the lowest view rates on the channel! One of the many things I despise about this country, is the lack of interest in our forces! Stick a video up of a London criminal on how he wrecked havoc and took innocent peoples lives and it gets 100x more. It’s all wrong
Lest we forget.
I watched an American politician lament the ghosts of the men he killed in war who stand around his bed at night and I told a good friend who served in the Malayan emergency and he giggled saying his house isn't big enough for all his ghosts adding he sleeps perfectly it's the ghosts that have the problem they died supporting tyranny and time has proved him to be true and correct.
🤔 No purpose, yep. It's apparently the same thing from UK to US, no matter the country...
We all feel hollowed out when we leave.
Not a solider, but I can relate I have PTSD due to severe violence and mental abuse I grew up around and suffered, I spent my early adult years becoming a young father and being a carer to mum who had always been disabled even through the violence from my childhood, now I am in my forties and have found myself also disabled and distanced from society, friends and family, and I will be honest I don't think I could mentally cope with maintaining friendships after all I have been through and do go through today.
How tf. Did this gentleman know this? That blows my I toxicated mind. Did Timor, Afghan and Iraq. Crazy to hear that from a real soldier. Damn. Xx
The uncomfortable moment when the man at the end said about a war worth fighting.
I know how Craig feels I did 6 years in the Army and left because I was diagnosed with hashimoto's disease and under active thyroid but because it took the Dr's a year to diagnose me I was treated like shit so I left and cut all ties I had with anyone
That someone could be cut off for being dx with CPTSD I find not only shocking, but disgusting. How could you cut someone off when they need you most?
Absolutely disgusted to hear how the British Army has treated Craig.
Seems like there is also something inherently wrong with the general culture in the army if they leave and feel so alienated. Life in the army should have some reference to life outside the army.
Are there no clubs or social groups that former soldiers can join to find friends and a sense of comradery?
The lack of support for our veterans is disgraceful but not surprising
I am in the same.e boat. Once I was beond repar. I was no longer fit for purpose.
That’s not the first time I’ve heard of a Para being treated this way after injury. Sad
It`s very common in any British military unit sadly...
No. You all see/feel reality. LADbible is a rare source that gets humanity. Easy way out is bullshit. Let's learn to play the bass. EDIT: I'll be there
Love the Chinook lady ❤
A very brave and beautiful lady
Bootneck family needs to get round Craig, probably have already but just saying. Isolation is part of a depression reaction. Head Admin is the one thing they don't teach us.
I worry about my son sometimes.
Alone, homeless, divorced, jobless, wonderful country USA.
Oh my god, I knew mental health had stigma (I have garden variety depression and anxiety?!) But that reaction from his squad is fucking disgraceful :( that's truely truely awful.
That's what the world is these days, we don't make anything in the west. Insurance and sitting in a call centre is the best hope for most people, no craftsmanship, no pride in your work. Even trades today you need some bullshit college certificate, you can't just turn up at a building site for work and health and safety you have to spend a few grand to get on the oil rigs etc.
U know all of this says to me is we need more peaple more friends in this world becouse all we do is kill.
I dont know where everyones minds has gone. We should all train not only our body but also our minds. Adams children need to find better ways
Toby, hello saffa
We need to remember we wear a uniform so that when we take that off we are ourselves, we are not that soldier, that police officer, doctor or nurse.
Time to be us.
Thing is when we live with our muckers they are our family.
Taken me a few years to realise my role has changed to father and husband.
I've a friend who lost his lower leg in Iraq, the military and government backing in england is piss poor.
I'd say discharged and forgotten about.
I do feel for the state american military are kicked out and left to fend for themselves
Throw away their lives for rich people and old politicians
We abandoned the women and children of Afghanistan. Think about what that generation of girls, who were able to learn how to read and write while we were killing their uncles, brothers and fathers… are going through now. Total oppression, and we were the answer. Mission failed.
Old man speaks wisdom and non of them listen to it. Sad. Truly sad lives we live in. This world is soo messed up its easier to leave it as it is now and deploy somewhere else bro haha
Ignorants must pay the price
First
Wasted lives.
It’s so frustrating to see how brain washed these guys are that they would do it all over again… for what and for who? The guys up top clearly don’t give a fuck about you guys. The comradery is clearly the only thing that keeps them together and that is probably because deep down they know that they are all on their own and nobody outside that crew gives a fuck! So frustrating! It’s wrong man, these power hungry people need to fight their own war - trial by combat lol
Come to success!☝🏽come know your maker. Islam will fill you all with purpose in life.😊
I hear alot of moaning. Just get on with it
That's their punishment for killing or participation of killing innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan. Karma time
Is that what you were told...
They just bin you off and forget about you .
Not being funny but the Iraq war was a piece of cake to fight in compared to ww2.