Wasnt altakulic also the researcher that kinda stopped researching the quranic manuscript in turkey and just said it "wasnt uthmanic" without going through it thoroughly? Amazing dude, has much scientific integrity!
It is a relief to see scholarly work treated as such by scholars. Your calm analysis and the even-toned announcement is a credit to you and to your own integrity. May God continue to smile upon you and upon your works.
Mario Joseph, Muslim Imam convert to Christianity number of times mentioned in Quran: Prop Mohd= 4 places, Jesus = 25 places No women's name in quran- only Mariam @ mother of Jesus, one whole chapter (Chap 3) Qur 3:34 onwards - mary was born without original sin, sinless, ever virgin, Qur 50:23 - she went to heaven with physical body How did God create the universe? Through the Word of God ( kalimatullah) Is the Word of God ( kalimatullah) - a Creator or Creation? Quran says Jesus is the word of God. Qur 3:45-55 - 10 points quran makes about Jesus Calls him kalimutullah (word of God), ruhhullah ( spirit of God), Isil Masih ( jesus Christ - The Anointed) Jesus spoke when 4 years old - breathed life into mud(bird) and created life, cured a blind man, cured man with leprosy, Jesus gave life to dead people. Jesus went to heaven , he is alive and will come again According to Quran - Prop Mohammad is not the word of God, not the spirit of God, never cured any sick people, never raised any dead people, never made any miracles (breathe life into mud > bird), he himself died and will not come back. Jesus is a prophet greater than Mohammad. Qur 10:94 "If you have any doubt in this quran which I give to you, go and read the bible or ask the people who read the bible. The truth is already revealed in that." The quran itself will make you Christian. th-cam.com/video/WjUXd4qW9mg/w-d-xo.html
*Whatever the "variant" some people are referring to, ALL Qur'an chapters /verses are in the exact same order* .Linguistic variations exist in individual words [example of he has vs. he has got/the government is vs. the governemtnare...etc] *but ALL within the same chapter/verse arrangement* .
The idea that the Quran has been perfectly preserved (and as such protected by Allah) is now dead in the water. I predict in a decade's time no Muslim will talk about perfect preservation.
I think you might be surprised how long it takes to have this view undermined in the masses. Muslims are inculcated with a great deference to authority and the authoritative establishment has a track record of covering up problems from the laity. For example in parallel to the preservation "cover up", in hadith "science" scholars close ranks and refuse to expose lay muslims to problems they have known exist in orthodox hadith texts for years. It is part of the faith not to introduce topics which might cause fitnah ( ~disruption by doubt ) , better to have them hold incorrect beliefs than apostate. I've often thought apologetics are not intended to be bomb proof but instead intended as enough smoke and mirrors to delay a believers change of view long enough such that they indoctrinate another generation
@@tdsdave exactly. The sheiks and imams have been hiding the truth for so long. Heard countless stories from Muslims when they ask questions are told to just trust Allah. No answers just stop asking and trust Allah.
@@jj691 Yeah there is a long story to that , so in too few words... At the time of the Islamic "golden age" (~10th century )the theology was dominated by a group called the Mu'talazites who thought human reasoning should be used to understand god, his world , and his word. They brought into philosophy and science as methods to do this, borrowing from the Greeks etc. Another group the Asherites replaced them with a theology that god , his world , and word is not subject to reasoning , and they inculcated Quranic literalism. From this you should just accept what you are given and not question. Science and philosophy were activity discouraged, and any source from outside Islam was to be distrusted. So the reason behind why they answer questions with Only Allah Know, or trust in Allah is because the Asherite theology actually discourages them from questioning, questions lead to doubt, and apostasy. Who knows the answers,only the scholars and Allah, and you have to take their word. Most of modern sunni orthodoxy (~90% of the worlds Muslims ) have inherited variations on this theme.
@@ricetanzania4148 Time will tell. I am sure Dr Dan Brubaker will give his considered opinion in the fullness of time. The response was a thick book to small book. Two copies could be circulated to others to study as well to compare notes before the final response is made to Dr Altikulac.
@@ricetanzania4148 there can only be one true religion and that is islam, it is perfect and it is destined to win. The fact that the Christians, the Jews, the atheists and the polytheists have allied themselves against Islam is proof that Islam is the only true religion and worldview.
He pretends to be. He went to Istanbul, sweet talked the people and they gave him access to the manuscripts. Then he wrote some rubbish about the Quran so they responded with 3 copies of their response. Dr Altikulac's comments on Dr Brubaker were less than "gentleman" and still no response from Dr Brubaker.
I will try to translate some parts of the article that lists the history of the Qur’an printing in Egypt to the year 2021 (The article’s note does not talk about any readings that are allowed to be printed, published and sold in Egypt, through the ages, but we know that the official reading adopted in Egypt is (qera'ah"the Reading" of Hafs, which impose by Otomans in a roud 1830 AD), which was adopted since Beginnings of the last century) 1) Historically, the beginning of printing the Noble Quran in Egypt wasn't easy. When *Muhammad Ali thought about printing the Quran, he found opposition from Al-Azhar scholars, and the matter remained forbidden according to a fatwa, prohibiting the printing of religious books. Arguments including that (1)the printing materials are contrary to "purity", (2) the inability to press the ayat/verses of Allah with iron machines, (3) also the possibility of a mistake in printing the Quran, that opposition was a natural matter approved by the circumstances of that era, (1) so printing is a new art, (2) scholars did not know what it was exactly, (3) in addition to that they used to gain their livelihood from copying by wrotten of this kind of books, by hands. *Muhammad Ali: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt 2) But in the year 1832 Muhammad Ali ordered that parts of the Quran be printed for school students, then an order was issued to the director of Bulaq Press to print the Quran, and Sheikh al-Tamimi (The Grand Mufti of Egypt) has been ordered: put his seal on the Quran so that its sale and circulation would be legitimate. The printed Quran was distributed to schools and Al-Azhar, ((and this continued until the death of Muhammad Ali.)) 3) But “during the reign of * Abbas Helmy the First (Al-Azhar scholars found mistakes in Muhammad Ali’s Quran), they took advantage of his weakness and his unwillingness to revival and development (they did not care to correct the Quran and were able to persuade him to confiscate those Qurans and prevent their circulation), and when **Saeed wanted to He distributes some Qurans to the students of the Military School (Al-Azhar scholars asked about this and they gave him a fatwa that it is possible to correct errors in the Qurans and then distribute them to students), so the he ordered that they be corrected at the government's expense and distributed to the pure places for recitation there or to schools and offices that need that. *Abbas Helmy the First en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbas_I_of_Egypt **Saeed en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%27id_of_Egypt 4) (again) During the reign of *King Fuad, the Quran was printed again in 1918 at the Emiri Press"The Royal printing press", and it was called the Egyptian Royal Quran and contained 826 pages (and it came in the best way), and the number of verses of the Qur’an was determined to be 6,236 verses. *King Fuad, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuad_I_of_Egypt 5) (again) And it was decided to reprint the Quran during the reign of *King Farouk, after Al-Azhar scholars found errors in the Quran that were printed during the reign of his father (King Fuad)´ *king Faouk en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouk_of_Egypt 6) The Islamic Research Academy had authorized the "Arab Heritage House for Printing and Publishing" in the Husseini scene in Cairo to print the Quran with Resolution 986 in January 1996, after which it issued those editions after it was found that the aforementioned publishing house had made an error while arranging the Quran papers 7) Likewise, the "Dar al-Tawfiqia" Quran issued in 2003 was confiscated, where errors were found in the arrangement of the fascicles. The Quran “Dar al-Tawfiqia” was issued on August 19, 2003, with permit No. (87). 8) In 2006 the Islamic Research Academy informed the official authorities of the confiscation of nearly twenty thousand copies of the Quran, full of errors that were in the arrangement of verses, words and page numbers. This copy had been approved by a decision bearing No. 20 in January 2001, and supervised its review and control. Eleven scholars from Al-Azhar scholars. 9) And in November 2015, the Islamic Research Academy decided to confiscate all copies of the so-called “Lebanese Quran”, which has spread among youth in universities, especially in Cairo.... This Quran was withdrawn from the market, and printers were advised not to print it again, and to abide by the forms established by the Research Council of the Quran.´ 10) Dr. Amal Ramadan Abdel Hamid revealed, in a scientific paper that she prepared entitled "Printing the Quran in Egypt." ... and about the reasons that lead to the occurrence of such errors, she said: The multiplicity of printing agencies, and some printers deal with the printing of the Quran as a commercial business, in addition to smuggling operations. It is carried out by some major publishing houses for very small sizes of Qurans, (*which are not allowed to circulate in Egypt, by hiding them inside the cartons of the major Qurans.) *not allowed in Egypt, not becaus the size actully but because it has another qera'ah/ reading of qurans ... She indicated that the Qurans coming from outside Egypt are not authorized to enter unless they are reviewed by the Academy, with the exception of the Qurans coming from Saudi Arabia and Syria and bearing the approval of the relevant ministry for approval and issuance of licenses there, explaining that overseeing the markets and inspecting in libraries and on the sidewalks is not them responsibility, but rather the Ministry of Interior. (The original article in Arabic) masralarabia.net/%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%AD%D9%82%D9%8A%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%AA/951708-%D8%B7%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%81-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%B7%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%AA%D8%AA%D9%83%D8%B1%D8%B1-%D8%B1%D8%BA%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%A9 I wonder here why Muslims do not accept the fact that there are differences in the manuscripts of the Quran that occurred during the past 1400 years. We are not talking only about errors by the manuscript transcribers, but differences in meanings between the different readings in addition to spelling errors and errors in reading after using dots and marks ... etc.
The fact that Dr Brubakars book is receiving this amount of reaction from the Islamic world is enough reason for the logical mind to conclude that it has touched the very core of Islam.
@@bf6724 you must be disparate. it's all out in the open now, it cannot be stopped. there are over 35 korans out there with differences from region to region. all well documented. look up videos of Jay Smith. early korans also show differences. the claim there's only one koran is fake unless there really is one but where as no one has seen it. uthman burned early manuscripts - why? perhaps there were already different versions emerging in early islam.
Brilliant, Dr Daniel Brubaker! This is exactly the sort of critique and criticisms that pushes knowledge forward and expands the understanding of early Quran manuscripts. It certainly sounds as if the critique of your work from Dr Altikulaç is on an Academic level rather than from a personal or abusive standpoint. This gives me hope. Knowledge and understanding of the early Quranic writings is the object and it saddens me that you have to endure personal attacks and abuse. Please keep on educating the world in your calm and knowledgeable manner. Thank you Dr Brubaker.
But Brubaker is wrong if he implies anything else than Scribe errors... Sugesting anything else than scribe error is wrong! One of the most important research on the Quran done today comes from leading scholar, Dr Marijn Van Putten : He proves that the Othmanic manuscript is a FACT and is preserved:
This paper has shown that idiosyncratic spellings of certain words are not due to the whims of the scribe, but are reproduced with the same spelling in all early Quranic manuscripts. The only way that such a consistent reproduction can be explained is by assuming that all the documents that belong to the Uthmanic text type go back to a single written archetype whose spelling was strictly copied from one copy to the next, showing that these copies were based on a written exemplar. The manuscripts examined in this study are sufficiently early that a codification of the Uthmanic text type is perfectly consistent with an attribution to its traditional source: ʿUthmān b. ʿAffān You can see the whole research here: www.researchgate.net/publication/333932919_The_Grace_of_God_as_evidence_for_a_written_Uthmanic_archetype_the_importance_of_shared_orthographic_idiosyncrasies
@Logia1978, you've just proven my point precisely! Firstly you've said that Dr Daniel Brubaker is wrong if he implies anything else than scribal errors! But he's presented facts of additions and subtractions, of words changed from one meaning to another meaning. This would make sense if the Quran was learned and recited from one place to another, "Chinese Whispers" would distort the meanings and therefore when the Quran was recited by illiterate people from one area to another area, the meaning would change, hence why the North African Quran is different to the Quran in Jordan or the Quran read by the Uyghurs in China. This is common sense, The Quran has changed because it was not written down and standardised for 1,300 years. Dr Daniel Brubaker is obviously researching the earliest Quranic Manuscripts, looking at the variations and trying to discover the originals and therefore the Quran written before the changes were made, to get as close as it is possible to the very original. This is obviously subjective and requires debate and opinions but they're exactly that, Opinions! Because we're unable to time travel and discover what the very original words of the Quran are, this research is the best way of discovering the truth. The one thing that is certainly not in question is that there's a vast amount of variations in the text of the earliest examples of the Quranic Manuscripts that cannot be put down to scribal errors alone , this is an absurd argument that doesn't hold water. Again, it's only your opinion that Van Putten is a leading scholar, my opinion is that Dr Patricia Crone was vastly superior in her research and depth of knowledge than Van Putten. Dr Patricia Crone was a pioneer in Islamic Studies in the West and questioned with proof and verifiable facts that the Islamic version of certain events and writings were wrong! But again, opinions! Not Facts! I look to scholars such as Dr Daniel Brubaker for facts and he presents those facts without opinions, just facts! You cannot deny the Factual Evidence that there's an incredible amount of variations in the writings of the earliest Quranic Manuscripts and that these variations are the same in some of the manuscripts. What you are therefore arguing is that two separate scribes made the same scribal errors, years apart and a distance between them? This is illogical!
@@joseywales3789 My friend this is not how scholarship work. You can not take *one SCRIBE* error in one manuscript and give a conclusion.... You have to compare that manuscript with *other manuscripts of same period or earlier and the one after it* . And this has been done by scholars... and there is *a consensus now* . the quranic text *is Fixed* . For each missing word or added word Dr Brubaker highlights in a manuscript, we have *same period manuscript, earlier manuscript and later manuscript* that does not have the error and are just like our modern quran.... The only rational conclusion is obvious...... these are *ONLY* scribe errors!!!! And there is no *evolution* in the text transmission of the Quran. Again ill tell you if you imply anything else than scribe errors, then you are out of mainstream scholarship....
@@Logia1978 there also will be series of changes of koran in different islamic periods. this is going to be interesting to see how the book changes over the centuries depending who the caliph was.
And try they do.!! Sadly so, if the instinct is not immediate denial, then there is often a misguided attempt to twist the text to say something it does not or, and ultimately worse, it is sometimes all out deceit. This age of information technology is the end of islam.
@@mamamarianovits9029 Keep dreaming: One of the most important research on the Quran done today comes from leading scholar, Dr Marijn Van Putten : He proves that the Othmanic manuscript is a FACT and is preserved: This paper has shown that idiosyncratic spellings of certain words are not due to the whims of the scribe, but are reproduced with the same spelling in all early Quranic manuscripts. The only way that such a consistent reproduction can be explained is by assuming that all the documents that belong to the Uthmanic text type go back to a single written archetype whose spelling was strictly copied from one copy to the next, showing that these copies were based on a written exemplar. The manuscripts examined in this study are sufficiently early that a codification of the Uthmanic text type is perfectly consistent with an attribution to its traditional source: ʿUthmān b. ʿAffān www.researchgate.net/publication/333932919_The_Grace_of_God_as_evidence_for_a_written_Uthmanic_archetype_the_importance_of_shared_orthographic_idiosyncrasies
Hello, exactly my friend, they can try to deny what it's expose their book but the evidence are present in their book Quran, even if they accept or not what they early Quran have been fixed corrupted WHAT IS WRITTEN IN QURAN TODAY IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE FOR PEOPLE WITH A LITTLE GOOD WORKING BRAIN THAT QURAN IS NOT INSPIRED BY GOD
@@cesareomartinez6582 You can bring always the faith value... here we talk about the historical facts... Historical facts, the quran is a fixed book and the only thing you will find is scribe errors....the rasm has not changed one single word.....
@@Logia1978 Hello my friend, you can show thousands of Islamic scholars who say that Quran is preserved (your Quran say opposite) and inspired by God BUT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR QURAN IS A PROOF THAT YOUR QURAN IS NOT PRESERVED IS BEEN CORRUPTED AND NOT INSPIRED BY GOD, Even if all the riches people and all the powerful people of this world convert to Islam never gonna change what is written in your Quran today and what is written in what is left in your Quran that a proof that your Quran is inspired from Satan throughout Mohammed and only people who really look for the true of God in JESUS CHRIST will read and leave Islam AND THAT WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED WHAT GOD SAYS: SOME PEOPLE WILL GO TO HEAVEN (Heaven with NOT 72 virgins) AND SOME WILL GO TO HELL (Where there are 72 virgins waiting for people who believed Mohammed to have sexual orgies)
@@bf6724 that is an argumentative fallacy, you are saying that since you haven't heard of Quadi therefore he is irrelevant, the truth is whether or not he has 1,000,000,000 followers or 100 is totally irrelevant to the fact that he is a an Islamic studies scholar in Yale and has personally stated that "the standard narrative has holes in it." Not only is this a fallacy it is a really weird one. It appears to me to be an Ad hominem fallacy, but I detect another that I cannot quite put my finger down on.
@@bf6724 I'm not a scholar my friend the fact is he is a sheik and he has a defended Doctorate, and actively engages in academia he has far more knowledge than either of us
@@josephlancon8031 Firstly. The word Sheikh may mean an old person. It may mean the person who leads the prayer. It may mean a way of showing respect to someone (usually someone with some sense of religious knowledge). Officially, however, this term does not mean anything. Secondly. A person who has postgraduate studies or a PhD may mean that he has something better knowledge than laymen, but this does not mean at all that he has necessarily reached the level of a scholar !! Well-known scholars specializing in Fiqh, for example, and other disciplines (of course they mention matters, but they dare to criticize deep matters in the science of the narrators (a science in which they are not specialized), but this Y Qadi dares to update and criticize everything 😂😂 You can search by yourself, this is not the only dance he did, he has a lot. Many specialized Muslims have spoken about hil and warned Muslims about him.
He can't respond to lay Muslims on TH-cam who debunked his booklet, let alone the world renowned Quran specialist like Dr Altikulac. Hythem Sidky debunked Brubakers amateurish theory too.
It will be very interesting to hear about his arguments and see the discussion that will follow. Thanks heartily for offering a so precious opportunity to witness discussions of such a high quality. Christ's blessing be with you!
@@0Er0 - I don't mind you criticizing islam but what I do mind is the false pagan trinity and I don't think you have to be a muslim to believe that why not be a unitarian christian (biblical) and still think islam is false
Dr Brubaker displayed bias and prejudice in his book and has a hidden agenda with a puppy dog look and sweet speech. He used this same approach to get access to the Turkish manuscripts (and others) and then produced a book way below scholarly standards which no academic press has printed. The Turks were not impressed so the real scholar Dr Altikulac kicked in and has now shown him up for what he really is. Nearly a year later and still no response from Dr Brubaker.
@@sidprice6214 Nehemiah 4:7 & 8: 7 When Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the Ashdodites heard that the work of building the walls of Jerusalem went on, and that the broken places began to be closed, they were very angry. 8 And all of them made plans together to come and fight against Jerusalem and cause trouble in it.
This is a very principled and measured response to an invited criticism by Dr. Brubaker. This is how differences in outlook should be handled, rather than by deplatforming and silencing opposing points of view. I know most including myslf will find it hard to equal this level of responsible self restraint.
He had no choice - he took the Turks for fools but they decided to respond to his trickery and non-academic book . Yet still no response from Dr Brubaker.
2 sentences: "I've lit the candle" vs. "I have lighted the candle". 6 differences in just one sentence. Would you claim one of them is incorrect? -Imagine *_The Am. Constitution re-written by a Cambridge Law professor_* [in flawless English]. Would it have the same word count? the same use of singular vs. plural? passive. vs.active? -With 6400+ Quranic verses it's only normal to find linguistic Arabic variations *but within the same chapter/verse order*
"...changes that could have been deliberately made to the text." Wait, what? Isn't that obvious? If they're scribal errors at first, then they changed them to make them correct, hence a correction. The description even admitted that those are scribal errors. Not really a good start when the description is already like that.
that's true. They always want to categorise all changes as scribal errors. But Dan once explained the kinds of scribal errors that exist, and that some of the errors are not scribal in nature.
The fact that there are differences in the manuscripts, wether deliberately made or by scribal error, blows their whole “ perfectly preserved “ No word, dot etc... different in the Quran , out of the water. Doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not.
@@micahttt from what I’ve seen, Muslim’s say no word or dot that is different. Nothing about the meaning being the same and just different words. In any case, we see in their own sources that from the beginning of compiling the Quran, they disagreed how many chapters it should be , the missing chapters and verses that were lost because of those who died before it was compiled and let’s not forget the goat that ate a specific chapter or verse. There’s no perfectly preserved Quran. This is exposed by their own sources. Why do they keep insisting it’s perfectly preserved? Even the people Muhammad said the followers should learn the Quran from disagreed. If there is one perfectly preserved Quran, there would be nothing to disagree about would there?
Spoken like a true scholar! We should all welcome serious criticism. If it is right, we have been given a gift of enlightenment. If it is wrong, we have been given an opportunity to clarify and strengthen our arguments. It’s win-win.
Panning...panning...panning ... but nothing pans out. If you have read Dr Altikulac's book you would have known that Dr Brubaker is all panned out. All 20 examples have been "panned".
The fact that the top scholar on Quranic manuscripts wrote this book in refutation to Dan's book says a lot about how damaging Dan's work has had on the perfect preservation myth.
@@abuyusra6828 Sorry to say but Dr. Brubakker does not quote scholars after scholars neither does he bark here or there but works on massive evidence of ereasures, deletions, changes etc in the manuscript of the holy book, in such a way that adherents of that holy book will never be able to refute. In other words, Dr. Brubakker does not work on opinions but on facts.
Yes it IS a good thing that scholar Altekulic(sp) has critiqued your work, Dan. BUT surely haven't we all learned to "never trust an Islamic Scholar"? It is THEY whom have condoned and furthered the 1400 years old lie that Qur'an is uncreated, eternal and sent down?
@Dur an The Qur'an is against Christian's ands Jews Abdul. And what is wrong with being obsessed with wanting people to see the LIES and ridiculousness of the beliefs of Islam? I am in Love with Muslims finding TRUTH. You talk like that is wrong! Hahahahah! Jesus COMMANDED us to share His Good News. And Islam is NOT good news, but REDEMPTION is.
If Qur'an is the directly dictated word of Al-ah as claimed, why should it have any correction, substitution, deletion etc.? Perfectly preserved? Who dares to better Al-lah? May be he is not that perfect after all.
*Whatever the "variant" some people are referring to, ALL Qur'an chapters /verses are in the exact same order* .Linguistic variations exist in individual words [example of he has vs. he has got/the government is vs. the governemtnare...etc] *but ALL within the same chapter/verse arrangement* -Why are you taking this "correction/deletion" story for granted? Answer me!
His book is less than scholarly despite being portrayed as such. Too much bias and prejudice. I guess the calm and dignified puppy dog look makes up for it, Sir.
Wow, certainly an interesting turn of events. Glad you could share. I can't wait to hear how academically sound this work is. But I don't have high hopes knowing how irrational some Islamic scholars are in the face of criticism. So hope this critique and peer review is devoid of such phrases as "western metality", "western academics", "colonialism" "christocentric bias", etc. But rather word like "misunderstanding" "needs more evaluation", "insufficient" "inadequate proof", etc are used. Still, let's wait and see.
@@fred1534 If you were the Turks and someone came and BS'd you would you be annoyed? Wouldn't you respond with a book of your own? Have you read Dr A's book?
Dr Altikulac's book as far more academically sound than Dr Brubaker's which is why Dr Brubaker is struggling to respond - he doesn't know what to say to save face. You should read Dr A's book for yourself and see who the irrational one is of the two.
Hi Dan. I wrote to you once before re the usual Muslim claim that you need to be a native speaker of Arabic before you can do textual analysis of the Koran. As a person who deals with texts in a number of languages I know this is not true. I am anxious to see this "refutation" of your work. I don't know if your critics are devout Muslims or not but recently I have been interacting with some Muslims academics on Academia over the so-called Code 19 theory and it is evident to me that there is indeed a red line over which they cannot or will not pass. The point is if your research has crossed their red line and challenged their fundamental belief systems you are not going to get a fair assessment. Muslims have three main arguments, all fallacious: ad hominem attack, appeal to authority, and, ultimately, the circular argument back to the Koran. Best wishes.
@@keyazabin2308 I wonder what ultimately is the red line? I mean are they researching and see things are not as they seem so they stop ... ?? Refusing to delve further?? What are they seeing that is making them stop??
Dr. Brubaker, again you show a good respectful manner, I do however, think you have some in the Islamic world in a bit of a Tiz-woz! Carry on with the great work👍
Well interesting to note Muslim academics also cannot dichotomize between academic faith and their scholarly work....A very sad reflection on pseudo academics who cannot divorce rationality and faith
Thanks for the update. Would be good to read Dr Altikulaç's views of the your brief snippet of your doctoral thesis in the 20 corrections to Quranic manuscripts book. In any case, to attribute these corrections (which they apparently are - corrections) to scribal errors instead of an attempt to modify or to realign deviant texts to a standard text is presumption indeed. I believe that it would be impossible to determine the errors to scribal errors given the sparseness of early Quranic manuscripts and the lack of manuscript history related to the Quran. Islam does not have the >5000 NT Greek manuscripts or the >15,000 translations that came from independent strands of scribal copies, nor the quotations of the scriptures by the early church fathers within 100-200 years from the origins of the NT writings, that would prove to be independent witnesses to the NT writings...
Despite your belief of "impossible" Dr Altikulac has done just that. He has clearly demonstrated from several recognised authentic manuscripts that Dr Brubaker's 20 "corrections" are just that - scribal mistakes. Your belief of "impossible" was therefore premature and speaks of the same bias and prejudice that Dr Brubaker displayed in his book.
Qur'an approved readings are in the same chapter/verse order. Linguistic variations didn't include using different synonyms : -in all variations Allah does not replace Lord; -in all variations, "messenger" doesn't express "prophet"; -in all variations "paradise" doesn't stand for "heaven"; -in all variations, "Satan" is not replaced by "the devil"; -etc... Randomly, pick verse 6 or 14 or 21 *or whatever* and compare them across what you wrongly call "versions of the Qur'an" (!!). What linguistic differences you might find would be an already approved from during the lifetime of Muhammad.
You are a danger to some Islamic scholars; those who who want to engage in verbal jousting, because they don't know how to deal with your professional, and honourable manner. (Keep it up!)
So you think western scholars are the only ones who act professionally and honourably? You display the same bias and prejudice Dr Brubaker showed in his book. Although the book was portrayed as scholarly and from a perfectionist it was in fact riddled with bias and prejudice. The mere word "correction" is laden with bias. Even Dr Brubaker could not hide that so he put it in the small print - in the notes to the Introduction. Dr Brubaker is not a danger to Islamic scholars but rather he is a blessing. He has exposed the inherent bias and prejudice against people of the Islamic faith from some parts of western scholarship. No amount of calm puppy dog look can cover up his true intent. And to think he received a doctorates degree for this - the university should be taking a good look at it unless he presented something different to them.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only beggoten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God but God demonstrates his own love towards us that while yet sinners Christ died for us That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.Jesus is the only way to heaven accept him and you will not perish God bless
Although attributed to the disciple John - no one really knows who wrote these words some 70 years after Jesus. The earliest piece of Bible manuscript we have is some 150 to 200 AD called P52, the size of a credit card. According to Bart Erhman (not Jay Smith) the earliest full or near full Bible manuscript is from 900 to 1000 after Jesus. The Quran says that God does not "beget" - that is engage in animal acts of reproduction.
Frankly, *_you were not going to find something different even if you found clues_* All of this applause comes from people who are so happy to have found what they have so deeply desired to hear under the banner of... "academia".
Amazon.ca sent me the confirmation that the book 'Corrections in Early Qur'an Manuscript' will be delivered on Monday, 22 February 2021. I cannot wait to have it!
@@variantquran4505 This is amazing. The author of the book that I've ordered sent me a reply. Thank you very much Dr Dan Brubaker. It meant so much to me.
As a Muslim i respect you for your work, truly do i apologize if any bigot attacks you but to be honest your work isn't empirical evidence of change therefore cannot change my belief but keep the good work
@@letmetalk2240 The laugh is on You! Dr. Tayyar didn't publish any book on corrections in earlier qurans. He and people like Qadhi are only spreading the glory of quran, not criticism. I asked you WHO ELSE EXCEPT Dan Brubaker is working on this topic?
@@Kleyana Who says about publishing a book? LOL. In your first comment, you didn't mention about publishing a book. Dr Brubaker is NOT THE FIRST PERSON in the world to study Qur’anic manuscripts.
" the copies of the holy Quran existing in the muslim countries all over the world are exactly in concordant with the mushaf-i- uthman ( the copies of Quran Al kerim written upon the command of hadrat uthman) both in arrangement and phraseology ...not a single letter of it has been changes ever since"..
- *If you find what follows puzzling* , remember that *tens of thousands of *non-Arab muslims* now memorize the whole Qur'an *_IN ARABIC_* . Imagine how easy the task was to native Arabic speakers of the 7th century. -To the memorized recitation was/is still assigned the task of certifying print-outs/ manuscripts ..etc not vice versa. -The "referee" then *is the recited text *in 7th century Arabic* within the approved linguistic variations pertaining to.. what? Passive vs. active; long vowels vs. short vowels; singular vs. plural *_but all within the same chapter/verse order_* .
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 97: قُلْ مَن كَانَ عَدُوًّا لِّجِبْرِيلَ فَإِنَّهُ نَزَّلَهُ عَلَىٰ قَلْبِكَ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَهُدًى وَبُشْرَىٰ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ Say: Whoever is the enemy of Jibreel-- for surely he revealed it to your heart by Allah's command, verifying that which is before it and guidance and good news for the believers. (English - Shakir) via iQuran
Dr. Tayyar Altıkulaç will likely both critique the individual corrections and the interpretation of them as evidence that the Quran has been changed. He has announced that any attempt at the latter will fail, which raises doubts about his academic approach. But we'll see.
Forget the Dead Sea scrolls and the such. *Qur'an is mainly a memorized reading* . Even if all [ALL} manuscripts /print-outs are badly arranged; shredded or tempered with, the Qur'an will not disappear. *That's why the ok to print out Qur'an comes from committees of people who memorize it perfectly* . This is the protocol from day one.
- *If you find what follows puzzling* , remember that *tens of thousands of *non-Arab muslims* memorize the whole Qur'an *_IN ARABIC_* . Imagine how easy the task was to native Arabic speakers of the 7th century. -To the memorized recitation was/is still assigned the task of certifying print-outs/ manuscripts ..etc not vice versa. The "referee" then *is the recited text *in 7th century Arabic* within the approved linguistic variations pertaining to.. what? Passive vs. active; long vowels vs. short vowels; singular vs. plural *_but all within the same chapter/verse order_* .
Round 1 ding ding ding. No but in all seriousness Dan Brubaker is a gentleman scholar. Methodically breaking down and destroying the (false) perfectly preserved narrative. 2021 is going to be another highlight year. Popcorn ready.
I think it's very simple to prove if the scribal errors are taken by Dr Brubaker for authentic text of Quran - you should just open Quran and see if those scribal errors are in it or not! And the problem is that many Qurans have different variations of the same verses so how do you call this? Scribal errors?
@@lightnox8388 i think all this rubbish has too much mess and it has nothing to do with the truth which is always clear and understandable as it is in Bible
@@Lilia..... It really doesn't matter what you "think". And what do you mean it's very "clear" with the bible? You don't even know who authored the gospels lol
Hi Dr Dan brubaker, thanks for letting us to this insight. Of course your book will be critiqued especially because some sides are not happy with the cat letting out of the bag. You aren't showing us what is no there. Your work is going far and wide. The more they critic the bigger your audiences. So keep going, keep moving. Remain blessed. May God be with you and your family 🙏
No cat was let out of the bag. If anything a smelly rat was found in the bag. Dr Brubaker merely succeeded in inadvertently displaying his hidden agender of bias and prejudice albeit under the guise of a calm puppy dog look of scholarship and perfectionism.
He addresses himself with his title but refuses to acknowledge DR. Brubaker. We see the hurt he feels right from the cover of his booklet. Why do we expect them to have a Fair criticism?? they cannot be objective or fair- minded.. Keep hammering away Dr. Brubaker .
I'm surprised that the author didn't title this book "Debunking of Daniel...". Nice to see that Muslim academics have a slightly higher standard... I can't say though that I have seen many Western books which start with the word "Refutation" in big letters! Many Muslims will sadly use the cover to dismiss Dr. Brubaker's work without reading either book.
A good point. Just to add: *Whatever the "variant" they are referring to, Qur'an chapters /verses are in the exact same order* . You can not deny that. Linguistic variations exist in individual words *but within the same chapter/verse arrangement* .
We Memorized our book fam. Millions of Muslims today still do from cover to cover, because we also recite it during our Prayers. Qur'an manuscripts don't matter for us it is just supplementary, our main method of preservation is through critical Memorization.
@@bioahmedical6705 they did even more seriously than we do today , because their lives depended on it, and Allah said he made it easy for us to remember. Which can be proven today , we have hundreds of even 7 year olds that have memorized the Qur'an cover to cover. Alhamdulillah
It may have been the case that many people memorized the Qurʾan in the 7th Century. I understand that is what many people today believe happened. The question is: What does the evidence indicate about this proposition? The only tangible links that we have back to that time period are the manuscripts, inscriptions, coins, etc. So, we need to take them seriously as evidence, including as evidence to tell us about the state of the orality at various times. It is very easy to say "it was always memorized," and again, this may be true, but that is not a scientific statement unless we have some contemporaneous evidence or other good reason supporting such a claim. I hope that helps. DB
@@variantquran4505 evidence is there for you to study or simply look at the Qur'an tradition in the Muslim society, you will clearly see how they memorize not just orally transmit but MEMORIZE to the letter. You should also mention that Muslims consider the Memorization method as our main method of preservation, manuscripts are simply complementary and can contain scribal errors.
@@variantquran4505 For example in comparison to other prominent scriptures, if I were to make the SLIGHTEST mistake in recitation of the Qur'an, I would be corrected by even a 7 year old. That's preservation right there my friend.
The funny thing is there is no book refuting how badly the bible has been preserved or the issue of the trinity. The reason is because making such a book would be futile.
Imagine reading the American Constitution in modern British English. Apply this to the Qur'an readings [linguistic *variations in individual words not verses* ] within exact same chapter/verse order* .
To all muslims We should follow what being instructed by Caliph Uthman to use the version approved by the prophet companions. The rest manuscripts or completed Qurans not approved to be destroyed. Any old copies manuscript found should not be used to compare with the present Quran because no one can verify the authenticity of the manuscript except the prophet companions. Why should we questioned and claimed the Quran is complete just because we found old manuscript which no one can verify its authetic in todays world. Best for us, is to ignore those claim and hold on to the one approved by the prophet's companions
*Whatever the "variant" they are referring to, Qur'an chapters /verses are in the exact same order* . You can not deny that. Linguistic variations exist in individual words *but within the same chapter/verse arrangement* .
Mario Joseph, Muslim Imam convert to Christianity number of times mentioned in Quran: Prop Mohd= 4 places, Jesus = 25 places No women's name in quran- only Mariam @ mother of Jesus, one whole chapter (Chap 3) Qur 3:34 onwards - mary was born without original sin, sinless, ever virgin, Qur 50:23 - she went to heaven with physical body How did God create the universe? Through the Word of God ( kalimatullah) Is the Word of God ( kalimatullah) - a Creator or Creation? Quran says Jesus is the word of God. Qur 3:45-55 - 10 points quran makes about Jesus Calls him kalimutullah (word of God), ruhhullah ( spirit of God), Isil Masih ( jesus Christ - The Anointed) Jesus spoke when 4 years old - breathed life into mud(bird) and created life, cured a blind man, cured man with leprosy, Jesus gave life to dead people. Jesus went to heaven , he is alive and will come again According to Quran - Prop Mohammad is not the word of God, not the spirit of God, never cured any sick people, never raised any dead people, never made any miracles (breathe life into mud > bird), he himself died and will not come back. Jesus is a prophet greater than Mohammad. Qur 10:94 If you have any doubt in this quran which I give to you, go and read the bible or ask the people who read the bible. The truth is already revealed in that. The quran itself will make you Christian. th-cam.com/video/WjUXd4qW9mg/w-d-xo.html
Hafiz takes 7 to 5 years to completely remember the Quran, vers by vers word by word and in his whole life. he have to revised it. And Hufaiz of that time read the copy of Quran and verify it. And if you really doing this study honest INSHALLAH! ALLAH will "Revert" you MUSLIM
Dr your calm, gentle and respectful responses towards your critiques is truly amazing. You have daringly ventured into one of satan's greatest literary text through painstaking laborious scholarly research work, he has indeed taken notice of you.
@@frankly.speaking I did not judge him. A careful reading and understanding of his book brings forth the truth about him. Had you read Dr Altikulac's book you would know that Dr Brubaker has no room to maneuver on the matters raised in his book. Its pretty much "game set and match". Dr Brubaker will have to come up with something new related to this subject to save face. He will have to divert his audience attention away from the "20 corrections" to get out of this mess. Its the usual tactic - when unable to answer then delay and divert - it has been used by prejudice and bias people like him for a long time. Dr Brubaker needs to respond to the "truth" and not just the "turk". You should show more respect for Dr Altikulac as he is by far more senior than Dr Brubaker in this field. By referring to him as "the turk" you have in fact insulted this highly recognised expert in this field.
@@frankly.speaking No doubt he will respond however i doubt if it will be scholarly as judging by his book which wasn't scholarly either. You have now shown yourself to be the bigot and racist that you are just as Dr Brubaker exposed his bias and prejudice in his book.
...when facts hurt feelings.
Damned evidences!
Wasnt altakulic also the researcher that kinda stopped researching the quranic manuscript in turkey and just said it "wasnt uthmanic" without going through it thoroughly? Amazing dude, has much scientific integrity!
but but but... muslims are protected group. their feeling are matter.
@@alfiras8604 I personally think everyone in this comment chain has watched the whole whopping 5 minutes of the video.
@@timonrolleman54 5 mins for him is like 5 centuries.
It is a relief to see scholarly work treated as such by scholars. Your calm analysis and the even-toned announcement is a credit to you and to your own integrity. May God continue to smile upon you and upon your works.
Which god jesus, father or holy spirit or all in one
@@ndnd9309 God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God. Three persons, One God.
Mario Joseph, Muslim Imam convert to Christianity
number of times mentioned in Quran: Prop Mohd= 4 places, Jesus = 25 places
No women's name in quran- only Mariam @ mother of Jesus, one whole chapter (Chap 3)
Qur 3:34 onwards - mary was born without original sin, sinless, ever virgin,
Qur 50:23 - she went to heaven with physical body
How did God create the universe? Through the Word of God ( kalimatullah)
Is the Word of God ( kalimatullah) - a Creator or Creation?
Quran says Jesus is the word of God.
Qur 3:45-55 - 10 points quran makes about Jesus
Calls him kalimutullah (word of God), ruhhullah ( spirit of God), Isil Masih ( jesus Christ - The Anointed)
Jesus spoke when 4 years old - breathed life into mud(bird) and created life, cured a blind man, cured man with leprosy, Jesus gave life to dead people. Jesus went to heaven , he is alive and will come again
According to Quran - Prop Mohammad is not the word of God, not the spirit of God, never cured any sick people, never raised any dead people, never made any miracles (breathe life into mud > bird),
he himself died and will not come back. Jesus is a prophet greater than Mohammad.
Qur 10:94 "If you have any doubt in this quran which I give to you, go and read the bible or ask the people who read the bible. The truth is already revealed in that."
The quran itself will make you Christian.
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*Whatever the "variant" some people are referring to, ALL Qur'an chapters /verses are in the exact same order* .Linguistic variations exist in individual words [example of he has vs. he has got/the government is vs. the governemtnare...etc] *but ALL within the same chapter/verse arrangement* .
Get it approved by academics from Universities
The idea that the Quran has been perfectly preserved (and as such protected by Allah) is now dead in the water. I predict in a decade's time no Muslim will talk about perfect preservation.
Thank God for the internet, and the hours and hours of video footage of Muslims apologists making this claim.
I think you might be surprised how long it takes to have this view undermined in the masses. Muslims are inculcated with a great deference to authority and the authoritative establishment has a track record of covering up problems from the laity. For example in parallel to the preservation "cover up", in hadith "science" scholars close ranks and refuse to expose lay muslims to problems they have known exist in orthodox hadith texts for years. It is part of the faith not to introduce topics which might cause fitnah ( ~disruption by doubt ) , better to have them hold incorrect beliefs than apostate.
I've often thought apologetics are not intended to be bomb proof but instead intended as enough smoke and mirrors to delay a believers change of view long enough such that they indoctrinate another generation
@@tdsdave exactly. The sheiks and imams have been hiding the truth for so long. Heard countless stories from Muslims when they ask questions are told to just trust Allah. No answers just stop asking and trust Allah.
@@jj691
Yeah there is a long story to that , so in too few words...
At the time of the Islamic "golden age" (~10th century )the theology was dominated by a group called the Mu'talazites who thought human reasoning should be used to understand god, his world , and his word. They brought into philosophy and science as methods to do this, borrowing from the Greeks etc.
Another group the Asherites replaced them with a theology that god , his world , and word is not subject to reasoning , and they inculcated Quranic literalism. From this you should just accept what you are given and not question. Science and philosophy were activity discouraged, and any source from outside Islam was to be distrusted.
So the reason behind why they answer questions with Only Allah Know, or trust in Allah is because the Asherite theology actually discourages them from questioning, questions lead to doubt, and apostasy. Who knows the answers,only the scholars and Allah, and you have to take their word. Most of modern sunni orthodoxy (~90% of the worlds Muslims ) have inherited variations on this theme.
@@tdsdave never knew that, thank you.
Dr, you are a gentleman scholar. It should be interesting reading. It is nice of them to send you 3 copies as a gift.
I am sure Tayyar has gotten money enough, the question is: has he relly refuted Brubakers work.
@@ricetanzania4148 Time will tell. I am sure Dr Dan Brubaker will give his considered opinion in the fullness of time. The response was a thick book to small book. Two copies could be circulated to others to study as well to compare notes before the final response is made to Dr Altikulac.
@@Chandransingham Time will show islam is a fake religion, nothing more than an ideology
@@ricetanzania4148 there can only be one true religion and that is islam, it is perfect and it is destined to win. The fact that the Christians, the Jews, the atheists and the polytheists have allied themselves against Islam is proof that Islam is the only true religion and worldview.
He pretends to be. He went to Istanbul, sweet talked the people and they gave him access to the manuscripts. Then he wrote some rubbish about the Quran so they responded with 3 copies of their response. Dr Altikulac's comments on Dr Brubaker were less than "gentleman" and still no response from Dr Brubaker.
Looking forward to your analysis of Dr. Tayyar Altıkulaç critique.
You will wait for very long time believe me....
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Still waiting...waiting...waiting...
No amount of puppy dog look and gentle sweet tones can cover up BS.
Is it published yet?
I will try to translate some parts of the article that lists the history of the Qur’an printing in Egypt to the year 2021 (The article’s note does not talk about any readings that are allowed to be printed, published and sold in Egypt, through the ages, but we know that the official reading adopted in Egypt is (qera'ah"the Reading" of Hafs, which impose by Otomans in a roud 1830 AD), which was adopted since Beginnings of the last century)
1) Historically, the beginning of printing the Noble Quran in Egypt wasn't easy. When *Muhammad Ali thought about printing the Quran, he found opposition from Al-Azhar scholars, and the matter remained forbidden according to a fatwa, prohibiting the printing of religious books. Arguments including that (1)the printing materials are contrary to "purity", (2) the inability to press the ayat/verses of Allah with iron machines, (3) also the possibility of a mistake in printing the Quran, that opposition was a natural matter approved by the circumstances of that era, (1) so printing is a new art, (2) scholars did not know what it was exactly, (3) in addition to that they used to gain their livelihood from copying by wrotten of this kind of books, by hands.
*Muhammad Ali:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt
2) But in the year 1832 Muhammad Ali ordered that parts of the Quran be printed for school students, then an order was issued to the director of Bulaq Press to print the Quran, and Sheikh al-Tamimi (The Grand Mufti of Egypt) has been ordered: put his seal on the Quran so that its sale and circulation would be legitimate. The printed Quran was distributed to schools and Al-Azhar, ((and this continued until the death of Muhammad Ali.))
3) But “during the reign of * Abbas Helmy the First (Al-Azhar scholars found mistakes in Muhammad Ali’s Quran), they took advantage of his weakness and his unwillingness to revival and development (they did not care to correct the Quran and were able to persuade him to confiscate those Qurans and prevent their circulation), and when **Saeed wanted to He distributes some Qurans to the students of the Military School (Al-Azhar scholars asked about this and they gave him a fatwa that it is possible to correct errors in the Qurans and then distribute them to students), so the he ordered that they be corrected at the government's expense and distributed to the pure places for recitation there or to schools and offices that need that.
*Abbas Helmy the First
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbas_I_of_Egypt
**Saeed
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%27id_of_Egypt
4) (again) During the reign of *King Fuad, the Quran was printed again in 1918 at the Emiri Press"The Royal printing press", and it was called the Egyptian Royal Quran and contained 826 pages (and it came in the best way), and the number of verses of the Qur’an was determined to be 6,236 verses.
*King Fuad,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuad_I_of_Egypt
5) (again) And it was decided to reprint the Quran during the reign of *King Farouk, after Al-Azhar scholars found errors in the Quran that were printed during the reign of his father (King Fuad)´
*king Faouk
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouk_of_Egypt
6) The Islamic Research Academy had authorized the "Arab Heritage House for Printing and Publishing" in the Husseini scene in Cairo to print the Quran with Resolution 986 in January 1996, after which it issued those editions after it was found that the aforementioned publishing house had made an error while arranging the Quran papers
7) Likewise, the "Dar al-Tawfiqia" Quran issued in 2003 was confiscated, where errors were found in the arrangement of the fascicles. The Quran “Dar al-Tawfiqia” was issued on August 19, 2003, with permit No. (87).
8) In 2006 the Islamic Research Academy informed the official authorities of the confiscation of nearly twenty thousand copies of the Quran, full of errors that were in the arrangement of verses, words and page numbers. This copy had been approved by a decision bearing No. 20 in January 2001, and supervised its review and control. Eleven scholars from Al-Azhar scholars.
9) And in November 2015, the Islamic Research Academy decided to confiscate all copies of the so-called “Lebanese Quran”, which has spread among youth in universities, especially in Cairo.... This Quran was withdrawn from the market, and printers were advised not to print it again, and to abide by the forms established by the Research Council of the Quran.´
10) Dr. Amal Ramadan Abdel Hamid revealed, in a scientific paper that she prepared entitled "Printing the Quran in Egypt." ... and about the reasons that lead to the occurrence of such errors, she said: The multiplicity of printing agencies, and some printers deal with the printing of the Quran as a commercial business, in addition to smuggling operations. It is carried out by some major publishing houses for very small sizes of Qurans, (*which are not allowed to circulate in Egypt, by hiding them inside the cartons of the major Qurans.)
*not allowed in Egypt, not becaus the size actully but because it has another qera'ah/ reading of qurans ... She indicated that the Qurans coming from outside Egypt are not authorized to enter unless they are reviewed by the Academy, with the exception of the Qurans coming from Saudi Arabia and Syria and bearing the approval of the relevant ministry for approval and issuance of licenses there, explaining that overseeing the markets and inspecting in libraries and on the sidewalks is not them responsibility, but rather the Ministry of Interior.
(The original article in Arabic)
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I wonder here why Muslims do not accept the fact that there are differences in the manuscripts of the Quran that occurred during the past 1400 years. We are not talking only about errors by the manuscript transcribers, but differences in meanings between the different readings in addition to spelling errors and errors in reading after using dots and marks ... etc.
Very good and scientific analysis with accurate citation, excellent historical documents thank for your work and sharing.
@@pharsight8928 thanks 🌷
Oh my, oh my! 🙂
I agree..thanks from Indonesia
The fact that Dr Brubakars book is receiving this amount of reaction from the Islamic world is enough reason for the logical mind to conclude that it has touched the very core of Islam.
And it's just from "twenty variants"... I think Dr. Brubaker is trying to be nice here.
@@truthseeker7951 there are thousands of variants here.
How desperate you are!
@@bf6724 you must be disparate. it's all out in the open now, it cannot be stopped. there are over 35 korans out there with differences from region to region. all well documented. look up videos of Jay Smith. early korans also show differences. the claim there's only one koran is fake unless there really is one but where as no one has seen it. uthman burned early manuscripts - why? perhaps there were already different versions emerging in early islam.
@@liberator275 Have you seen these 35 Quran?
Or are you desperately repeating a claim that you do not know its validity!
Brilliant, Dr Daniel Brubaker! This is exactly the sort of critique and criticisms that pushes knowledge forward and expands the understanding of early Quran manuscripts. It certainly sounds as if the critique of your work from Dr Altikulaç is on an Academic level rather than from a personal or abusive standpoint. This gives me hope. Knowledge and understanding of the early Quranic writings is the object and it saddens me that you have to endure personal attacks and abuse. Please keep on educating the world in your calm and knowledgeable manner. Thank you Dr Brubaker.
But Brubaker is wrong if he implies anything else than Scribe errors...
Sugesting anything else than scribe error is wrong!
One of the most important research on the Quran done today comes from leading scholar, Dr Marijn Van Putten : He proves that the Othmanic manuscript is a FACT and is preserved:
This paper has shown that idiosyncratic spellings of certain words are not due to the whims of the scribe, but are reproduced with the same spelling in all early Quranic manuscripts. The only way that such a consistent reproduction can be explained is by assuming that all the documents that belong to the Uthmanic text type go back to a single written archetype whose spelling was strictly copied from one copy to the next, showing that these copies were based on a written exemplar. The manuscripts examined in this study are sufficiently early that a codification of the Uthmanic text type is perfectly consistent with an attribution to its traditional source: ʿUthmān b. ʿAffān
You can see the whole research here:
www.researchgate.net/publication/333932919_The_Grace_of_God_as_evidence_for_a_written_Uthmanic_archetype_the_importance_of_shared_orthographic_idiosyncrasies
@Logia1978, you've just proven my point precisely! Firstly you've said that Dr Daniel Brubaker is wrong if he implies anything else than scribal errors! But he's presented facts of additions and subtractions, of words changed from one meaning to another meaning. This would make sense if the Quran was learned and recited from one place to another, "Chinese Whispers" would distort the meanings and therefore when the Quran was recited by illiterate people from one area to another area, the meaning would change, hence why the North African Quran is different to the Quran in Jordan or the Quran read by the Uyghurs in China. This is common sense, The Quran has changed because it was not written down and standardised for 1,300 years. Dr Daniel Brubaker is obviously researching the earliest Quranic Manuscripts, looking at the variations and trying to discover the originals and therefore the Quran written before the changes were made, to get as close as it is possible to the very original. This is obviously subjective and requires debate and opinions but they're exactly that, Opinions! Because we're unable to time travel and discover what the very original words of the Quran are, this research is the best way of discovering the truth. The one thing that is certainly not in question is that there's a vast amount of variations in the text of the earliest examples of the Quranic Manuscripts that cannot be put down to scribal errors alone , this is an absurd argument that doesn't hold water. Again, it's only your opinion that Van Putten is a leading scholar, my opinion is that Dr Patricia Crone was vastly superior in her research and depth of knowledge than Van Putten. Dr Patricia Crone was a pioneer in Islamic Studies in the West and questioned with proof and verifiable facts that the Islamic version of certain events and writings were wrong! But again, opinions! Not Facts! I look to scholars such as Dr Daniel Brubaker for facts and he presents those facts without opinions, just facts! You cannot deny the Factual Evidence that there's an incredible amount of variations in the writings of the earliest Quranic Manuscripts and that these variations are the same in some of the manuscripts. What you are therefore arguing is that two separate scribes made the same scribal errors, years apart and a distance between them? This is illogical!
@@joseywales3789
My friend this is not how scholarship work.
You can not take *one SCRIBE* error in one manuscript and give a conclusion....
You have to compare that manuscript with *other manuscripts of same period or earlier and the one after it* .
And this has been done by scholars... and there is *a consensus now* . the quranic text *is Fixed* .
For each missing word or added word Dr Brubaker highlights in a manuscript, we have *same period manuscript, earlier manuscript and later manuscript* that does not have the error and are just like our modern quran....
The only rational conclusion is obvious...... these are *ONLY* scribe errors!!!! And there is no *evolution* in the text transmission of the Quran.
Again ill tell you if you imply anything else than scribe errors, then you are out of mainstream scholarship....
@@Logia1978 there also will be series of changes of koran in different islamic periods. this is going to be interesting to see how the book changes over the centuries depending who the caliph was.
@@liberator275
Who says so?
Not scholars fore sure....
The quran is a fixed book... this is a fact... the othmanic Rasm did Never change....
They can try but can’t hide, evidences are there.
Thank you Dr Brubaker for sharing !
And try they do.!!
Sadly so, if the instinct is not immediate denial, then there is often a misguided attempt to twist the text to say something it does not or, and ultimately worse, it is sometimes all out deceit.
This age of information technology is the end of islam.
@@mamamarianovits9029
Keep dreaming:
One of the most important research on the Quran done today comes from leading scholar, Dr Marijn Van Putten : He proves that the Othmanic manuscript is a FACT and is preserved:
This paper has shown that idiosyncratic spellings of certain words are not due to the whims of the scribe, but are reproduced with the same spelling in all early Quranic manuscripts. The only way that such a consistent reproduction can be explained is by assuming that all the documents that belong to the Uthmanic text type go back to a single written archetype whose spelling was strictly copied from one copy to the next, showing that these copies were based on a written exemplar. The manuscripts examined in this study are sufficiently early that a codification of the Uthmanic text type is perfectly consistent with an attribution to its traditional source: ʿUthmān b. ʿAffān
www.researchgate.net/publication/333932919_The_Grace_of_God_as_evidence_for_a_written_Uthmanic_archetype_the_importance_of_shared_orthographic_idiosyncrasies
Hello, exactly my friend, they can try to deny what it's expose their book but the evidence are present in their book Quran, even if they accept or not what they early Quran have been fixed corrupted WHAT IS WRITTEN IN QURAN TODAY IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE FOR PEOPLE WITH A LITTLE GOOD WORKING BRAIN THAT QURAN IS NOT INSPIRED BY GOD
@@cesareomartinez6582
You can bring always the faith value... here we talk about the historical facts...
Historical facts, the quran is a fixed book and the only thing you will find is scribe errors....the rasm has not changed one single word.....
@@Logia1978
Hello my friend, you can show thousands of Islamic scholars who say that Quran is preserved (your Quran say opposite) and inspired by God BUT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR QURAN IS A PROOF THAT YOUR QURAN IS NOT PRESERVED IS BEEN CORRUPTED AND NOT INSPIRED BY GOD, Even if all the riches people and all the powerful people of this world convert to Islam never gonna change what is written in your Quran today and what is written in what is left in your Quran that a proof that your Quran is inspired from Satan throughout Mohammed and only people who really look for the true of God in JESUS CHRIST will read and leave Islam AND THAT WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED WHAT GOD SAYS: SOME PEOPLE WILL GO TO HEAVEN (Heaven with NOT 72 virgins) AND SOME WILL GO TO HELL (Where there are 72 virgins waiting for people who believed Mohammed to have sexual orgies)
100 pages of r e i n t e r p r e t a t I o n
Quote of the Year
"THE STANDARD NARRATIVE HAS HOLES IN IT"
(Dr Yasir Qadhi, Yale)
Who is he??
I always hear you repeat this name !!
This person is only important in your imagination, but in reality he and nothing are equal.
@@bf6724 that is an argumentative fallacy, you are saying that since you haven't heard of Quadi therefore he is irrelevant, the truth is whether or not he has 1,000,000,000 followers or 100 is totally irrelevant to the fact that he is a an Islamic studies scholar in Yale and has personally stated that "the standard narrative has holes in it." Not only is this a fallacy it is a really weird one. It appears to me to be an Ad hominem fallacy, but I detect another that I cannot quite put my finger down on.
@@josephlancon8031 scholar! 😂😂😂
Of course he is, especially if he made a statement that you like 😂😂😂
@@bf6724 I'm not a scholar my friend the fact is he is a sheik and he has a defended Doctorate, and actively engages in academia he has far more knowledge than either of us
@@josephlancon8031 Firstly. The word Sheikh may mean an old person.
It may mean the person who leads the prayer.
It may mean a way of showing respect to someone (usually someone with some sense of religious knowledge).
Officially, however, this term does not mean anything.
Secondly. A person who has postgraduate studies or a PhD may mean that he has something better knowledge than laymen, but this does not mean at all that he has necessarily reached the level of a scholar !!
Well-known scholars specializing in Fiqh, for example, and other disciplines (of course they mention matters, but they dare to criticize deep matters in the science of the narrators (a science in which they are not specialized), but this Y Qadi dares to update and criticize everything 😂😂
You can search by yourself, this is not the only dance he did, he has a lot. Many specialized Muslims have spoken about hil and warned Muslims about him.
It’s been 6 months already since you put up this video and I don’t see where you’ve responded to Professor Altıkulaç’s refutation of your thesis.
He can't respond to lay Muslims on TH-cam who debunked his booklet, let alone the world renowned Quran specialist like Dr Altikulac. Hythem Sidky debunked Brubakers amateurish theory too.
@@MCXM111 its very simple
muslim claimed that there is only one quran
that was debunked already
only a fanatical muslim will deny it
It will be very interesting to hear about his arguments and see the discussion that will follow. Thanks heartily for offering a so precious opportunity to witness discussions of such a high quality. Christ's blessing be with you!
You're such a gentleman 🙏
Even though I'm a muslim I like his videos
@@theguyver4934 not long left till you leave if you are here. 😊
@@0Er0 - I don't mind you criticizing islam but what I do mind is the false pagan trinity and I don't think you have to be a muslim to believe that why not be a unitarian christian (biblical) and still think islam is false
@@theguyver4934 im actually ex muslim im not christian😅 my parents are from Turkey.
@@theguyver4934 i agree christianity has pagan tendencies, but does islam not either?
Blessed be thy work and may it be widely read!
Congratulations on the refutation to your book. I guess you should be somewhat honoured :)
Dr Altukulac''s book did not honour Dr Brubaker. It disgraced him.
Yes, an honor to be taken seriously!
Dr Brubaker displayed bias and prejudice in his book and has a hidden agenda with a puppy dog look and sweet speech. He used this same approach to get access to the Turkish manuscripts (and others) and then produced a book way below scholarly standards which no academic press has printed. The Turks were not impressed so the real scholar Dr Altikulac kicked in and has now shown him up for what he really is. Nearly a year later and still no response from Dr Brubaker.
@@sidprice6214 Nehemiah 4:7 & 8:
7 When Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the Ashdodites heard that the work of building the walls of Jerusalem went on, and that the broken places began to be closed, they were very angry. 8 And all of them made plans together to come and fight against Jerusalem and cause trouble in it.
A scholarly effort,
Bravo Dr Daniel.
The real scholar Dr Altikulac said words to the opposite effect.
This is a very principled and measured response to an invited criticism by Dr. Brubaker. This is how differences in outlook should be handled, rather than by deplatforming and silencing opposing points of view. I know most including myslf will find it hard to equal this level of responsible self restraint.
He had no choice - he took the Turks for fools but they decided to respond to his trickery and non-academic book . Yet still no response from Dr Brubaker.
I am EXCITED to follow the in-coming videos. Please keep GOING !
Love your work.
- from South PHILIPPINES.
I am glad and proud that you dared to be a Daniel!
2 sentences: "I've lit the candle" vs. "I have lighted the candle". 6 differences in just one sentence. Would you claim one of them is incorrect?
-Imagine *_The Am. Constitution re-written by a Cambridge Law professor_* [in flawless English]. Would it have the same word count? the same use of singular vs. plural? passive. vs.active?
-With 6400+ Quranic verses it's only normal to find linguistic Arabic variations *but within the same chapter/verse order*
8 months later we are still waiting for the answer.... what happened Dr Brubaker?
Dr. Tayyar Altikulac's reputation is about to go the way of Dr. King's!
Muslims are going to be crying when this book is out, God bless you.
What a layman! Typically layman!
Calmness and long patience is God given. Blessed you Dr. Brubaker.
It isn't god given.
"...changes that could have been deliberately made to the text."
Wait, what? Isn't that obvious? If they're scribal errors at first, then they changed them to make them correct, hence a correction. The description even admitted that those are scribal errors. Not really a good start when the description is already like that.
that's true. They always want to categorise all changes as scribal errors. But Dan once explained the kinds of scribal errors that exist, and that some of the errors are not scribal in nature.
@@gigatt4311 Well yes, but I was following their assumptions. It's just the description of the page anyway so maybe that sentence was a scribal error.
The fact that there are differences in the manuscripts, wether deliberately made or by scribal error, blows their whole “ perfectly preserved “ No word, dot etc... different in the Quran , out of the water. Doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not.
@@Mouse.3
I think what they meant as preserved are the meaning of the verses, not the way it was written.
@@micahttt from what I’ve seen, Muslim’s say no word or dot that is different. Nothing about the meaning being the same and just different words. In any case, we see in their own sources that from the beginning of compiling the Quran, they disagreed how many chapters it should be , the missing chapters and verses that were lost because of those who died before it was compiled and let’s not forget the goat that ate a specific chapter or verse. There’s no perfectly preserved Quran. This is exposed by their own sources. Why do they keep insisting it’s perfectly preserved? Even the people Muhammad said the followers should learn the Quran from disagreed. If there is one perfectly preserved Quran, there would be nothing to disagree about would there?
Finally found your channel Dr. Dan. May the Spirit of God rest in you always.
Criticism is an opportunity to learn. Even for the critic.
Spoken like a true scholar! We should all welcome serious criticism. If it is right, we have been given a gift of enlightenment. If it is wrong, we have been given an opportunity to clarify and strengthen our arguments. It’s win-win.
This is exciting! Although most of the technical details will probably pass over my head, I'm interested in how this pans out.
Panning...panning...panning ... but nothing pans out. If you have read Dr Altikulac's book you would have known that Dr Brubaker is all panned out. All 20 examples have been "panned".
How would the American Constitution re-written in modern British English would seem to you?
Different? Corrupted?
In what way ?
The fact that the top scholar on Quranic manuscripts wrote this book in refutation to Dan's book says a lot about how damaging Dan's work has had on the perfect preservation myth.
it does not indicate so, it only shows how you guys were misquoting scholars and barking here and there.
@@abuyusra6828 😂 just be patient you will see the lies in your false book.
@@abuyusra6828
Sorry to say but Dr. Brubakker does not quote scholars after scholars neither does he bark here or there but works on massive evidence of ereasures, deletions, changes etc in the manuscript of the holy book, in such a way that adherents of that holy book will never be able to refute. In other words, Dr. Brubakker does not work on opinions but on facts.
@@abuyusra6828 the more cover up there is the more it comes out. it's unavoidable in the age of information. you cannot fool masses anymore.
Why damaging? What are you talking like a layman?!! Since when one book holds the final truth? Or is it that you like the content?!
Thank you Dr. Brubaker God bless
Yes it IS a good thing that scholar Altekulic(sp) has critiqued your work, Dan. BUT surely haven't we all learned to "never trust an Islamic Scholar"? It is THEY whom have condoned and furthered the 1400 years old lie that Qur'an is uncreated, eternal and sent down?
@Dur an The Qur'an is against Christian's ands Jews Abdul. And what is wrong with being obsessed with wanting people to see the LIES and ridiculousness of the beliefs of Islam? I am in Love with Muslims finding TRUTH. You talk like that is wrong! Hahahahah! Jesus COMMANDED us to share His Good News. And Islam is NOT good news, but REDEMPTION is.
@Dur an And that's spelled AL HUM DU LI LAH. Meaning "all praise to LAH" hahahah!
@Dur an Are you an eidiot, budallah?
@@lindaclark6148 You are a raving old woman whose purpose is to drag as much people as possible to Hell with her through sharing her "good news".
@Dur an go to the previous videos of dan and you will see the same muslims you claim you never see doing the things u claim they do not do. 😂
It would have been great to hear your opinion on the response after reading it.
A balloon cannot stand a pinprick of criticism. They consistently erupt in an explosion at the slightest criticism.
As well as gullible Christians!
@@BobJones-dq9mx Be ye as wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
@@BobJones-dq9mx the Bible has been examined inside out over the centuries. Christians have no problem with any of it
@@liberator275 Of course christiansdumb have claimed that the ridicules bible is true.
@@BobJones-dq9mx essenes worshipped jesus? how would then know of Him?
I hope Dr Brubaker that your answer is coming soon -)
We are waiting for it -)
If Qur'an is the directly dictated word of Al-ah as claimed, why should it have any correction, substitution, deletion etc.? Perfectly preserved? Who dares to better Al-lah? May be he is not that perfect after all.
@Siraj Haq: It is your moon god.
@Siraj Haq yes Jesus is the son of god but allas was the moon god
*Whatever the "variant" some people are referring to, ALL Qur'an chapters /verses are in the exact same order* .Linguistic variations exist in individual words [example of he has vs. he has got/the government is vs. the governemtnare...etc] *but ALL within the same chapter/verse arrangement*
-Why are you taking this "correction/deletion" story for granted? Answer me!
@@onlignebridge4224 actually you are a fool see the video and comment
@@suvrabiswas7364 Prove to me that you are not a fool and imbecile before accusing me.
Congratulations! I am excited to hear your response to the doctor's book!
The doctor's book was debunked unceremoniously.
Always a dignified, level headed let alone scholarly response from you Sir.
His book is less than scholarly despite being portrayed as such. Too much bias and prejudice. I guess the calm and dignified puppy dog look makes up for it, Sir.
Your humility is very reassuring.
Good news!
Thank you Dan for being a gentleman and a scholar. I look forward to hearing your assessment. Blessings.
Should be interesting.
Just ordered your book!
Wow, certainly an interesting turn of events. Glad you could share. I can't wait to hear how academically sound this work is. But I don't have high hopes knowing how irrational some Islamic scholars are in the face of criticism. So hope this critique and peer review is devoid of such phrases as "western metality", "western academics", "colonialism" "christocentric bias", etc. But rather word like "misunderstanding" "needs more evaluation", "insufficient" "inadequate proof", etc are used. Still, let's wait and see.
Good comment.we do know one thing :the big guns are out....
@@fred1534 If you were the Turks and someone came and BS'd you would you be annoyed? Wouldn't you respond with a book of your own?
Have you read Dr A's book?
Dr Altikulac's book as far more academically sound than Dr Brubaker's which is why Dr Brubaker is struggling to respond - he doesn't know what to say to save face. You should read Dr A's book for yourself and see who the irrational one is of the two.
@@sidprice6214 Have you read Brubaker's book?
Will await his review and response video.
Hi Dan. I wrote to you once before re the usual Muslim claim that you need to be a native speaker of Arabic before you can do textual analysis of the Koran. As a person who deals with texts in a number of languages I know this is not true. I am anxious to see this "refutation" of your work. I don't know if your critics are devout Muslims or not but recently I have been interacting with some Muslims academics on Academia over the so-called Code 19 theory and it is evident to me that there is indeed a red line over which they cannot or will not pass. The point is if your research has crossed their red line and challenged their fundamental belief systems you are not going to get a fair assessment. Muslims have three main arguments, all fallacious: ad hominem attack, appeal to authority, and, ultimately, the circular argument back to the Koran. Best wishes.
Yasir Qadhi did say that they don’t cross the red line
@@keyazabin2308 just take his class akhi everything shall be revealed in the class after you pay. 😇😂
@@keyazabin2308 I wonder what ultimately is the red line? I mean are they researching and see things are not as they seem so they stop ... ?? Refusing to delve further??
What are they seeing that is making them stop??
@@hereweare9096 They crossed the red line and found out that the standard narrative has holes in it.
@@hereweare9096
Yes exactly!
Did you get that book yet??? I can't wait to hear what it says!
Not yet!
Dr. Brubaker, again you show a good respectful manner, I do however, think you have some in the Islamic world in a bit of a Tiz-woz!
Carry on with the great work👍
No amount of calm puppy dog look can make up for blatant bias and prejudice despite hiding under an umbrella of scholarship and perfectionism.
Dr. Brubaker, You have been refuted 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well interesting to note Muslim academics also cannot dichotomize between academic faith and their scholarly work....A very sad reflection on pseudo academics who cannot divorce rationality and faith
Did you conclude that from reading Dr Altikulac's book?
Thanks for the update. Would be good to read Dr Altikulaç's views of the your brief snippet of your doctoral thesis in the 20 corrections to Quranic manuscripts book. In any case, to attribute these corrections (which they apparently are - corrections) to scribal errors instead of an attempt to modify or to realign deviant texts to a standard text is presumption indeed. I believe that it would be impossible to determine the errors to scribal errors given the sparseness of early Quranic manuscripts and the lack of manuscript history related to the Quran. Islam does not have the >5000 NT Greek manuscripts or the >15,000 translations that came from independent strands of scribal copies, nor the quotations of the scriptures by the early church fathers within 100-200 years from the origins of the NT writings, that would prove to be independent witnesses to the NT writings...
Despite your belief of "impossible" Dr Altikulac has done just that. He has clearly demonstrated from several recognised authentic manuscripts that Dr Brubaker's 20 "corrections" are just that - scribal mistakes. Your belief of "impossible" was therefore premature and speaks of the same bias and prejudice that Dr Brubaker displayed in his book.
Qur'an approved readings are in the same chapter/verse order. Linguistic variations didn't include using different synonyms :
-in all variations Allah does not replace Lord;
-in all variations, "messenger" doesn't express "prophet";
-in all variations "paradise" doesn't stand for "heaven";
-in all variations, "Satan" is not replaced by "the devil";
-etc...
Randomly, pick verse 6 or 14 or 21 *or whatever* and compare them across what you wrongly call "versions of the Qur'an" (!!). What linguistic differences you might find would be an already approved from during the lifetime of Muhammad.
You are a danger to some Islamic scholars; those who who want to engage in verbal jousting, because they don't know how to deal with your professional, and honourable manner. (Keep it up!)
So you think western scholars are the only ones who act professionally and honourably? You display the same bias and prejudice Dr Brubaker showed in his book. Although the book was portrayed as scholarly and from a perfectionist it was in fact riddled with bias and prejudice. The mere word "correction" is laden with bias. Even Dr Brubaker could not hide that so he put it in the small print - in the notes to the Introduction.
Dr Brubaker is not a danger to Islamic scholars but rather he is a blessing. He has exposed the inherent bias and prejudice against people of the Islamic faith from some parts of western scholarship. No amount of calm puppy dog look can cover up his true intent. And to think he received a doctorates degree for this - the university should be taking a good look at it unless he presented something different to them.
Thanks to your video i revert to islam, i used to watch your video everyday and learn more about it
For God so loved the world that he gave his only beggoten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God but God demonstrates his own love towards us that while yet sinners Christ died for us That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.Jesus is the only way to heaven accept him and you will not perish God bless
Although attributed to the disciple John - no one really knows who wrote these words some 70 years after Jesus. The earliest piece of Bible manuscript we have is some 150 to 200 AD called P52, the size of a credit card. According to Bart Erhman (not Jay Smith) the earliest full or near full Bible manuscript is from 900 to 1000 after Jesus.
The Quran says that God does not "beget" - that is engage in animal acts of reproduction.
Frankly, *_you were not going to find something different even if you found clues_* All of this applause comes from people who are so happy to have found what they have so deeply desired to hear under the banner of... "academia".
Unfortunately the book link in the description is truncated.
Amazon.ca sent me the confirmation that the book 'Corrections in Early Qur'an Manuscript' will be delivered on Monday, 22 February 2021. I cannot wait to have it!
Thank you! I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Trent. DB
@@variantquran4505 This is amazing. The author of the book that I've ordered sent me a reply. Thank you very much Dr Dan Brubaker. It meant so much to me.
As a Muslim i respect you for your work, truly do i apologize if any bigot attacks you but to be honest your work isn't empirical evidence of change therefore cannot change my belief but keep the good work
Thank you for this sincere comment, and for thinking about these things. Best wishes, DB
So proud of you. You are doing something very important which no one has done before. Thank you!
No one has done before??? It shows your ignorance.
@@letmetalk2240 Who did? Give me references to some books they published about corrections in the earlier Qurans?
@@Kleyana
LOL .. read the video description .. who did he mention?
@@letmetalk2240 The laugh is on You! Dr. Tayyar didn't publish any book on corrections in earlier qurans. He and people like Qadhi are only spreading the glory of quran, not criticism. I asked you WHO ELSE EXCEPT Dan Brubaker is working on this topic?
@@Kleyana
Who says about publishing a book? LOL.
In your first comment, you didn't mention about publishing a book.
Dr Brubaker is NOT THE FIRST PERSON in the world to study Qur’anic manuscripts.
what is your response to dr's book?
U go boy, excellent work, expose their greatest so called miracle
" the copies of the holy Quran existing in the muslim countries
all over the world are exactly in concordant with the mushaf-i- uthman
( the copies of Quran Al kerim written upon the command of hadrat uthman) both in arrangement and phraseology ...not a single letter
of it has been changes ever since"..
- *If you find what follows puzzling* , remember that *tens of thousands of *non-Arab muslims* now memorize the whole Qur'an *_IN ARABIC_* . Imagine how easy the task was to native Arabic speakers of the 7th century.
-To the memorized recitation was/is still assigned the task of certifying print-outs/ manuscripts ..etc not vice versa.
-The "referee" then *is the recited text *in 7th century Arabic* within the approved linguistic variations pertaining to.. what? Passive vs. active; long vowels vs. short vowels; singular vs. plural *_but all within the same chapter/verse order_* .
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 97:
قُلْ مَن كَانَ عَدُوًّا لِّجِبْرِيلَ فَإِنَّهُ نَزَّلَهُ عَلَىٰ قَلْبِكَ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَهُدًى وَبُشْرَىٰ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ
Say: Whoever is the enemy of Jibreel-- for surely he revealed it to your heart by Allah's command, verifying that which is before it and guidance and good news for the believers.
(English - Shakir)
via iQuran
Dr. Tayyar Altıkulaç will likely both critique the individual corrections and the interpretation of them as evidence that the Quran has been changed. He has announced that any attempt at the latter will fail, which raises doubts about his academic approach. But we'll see.
islam fail
Forget the Dead Sea scrolls and the such. *Qur'an is mainly a memorized reading* . Even if all [ALL} manuscripts /print-outs are badly arranged; shredded or tempered with, the Qur'an will not disappear. *That's why the ok to print out Qur'an comes from committees of people who memorize it perfectly* . This is the protocol from day one.
what happened to the verse of stoning?
so much for perfect memorization
Academic vs academic in a very friendly rebuttal
That made me laugh out loud that they sent you 3 copies as a gift 😂
why 3? everything is in threes in allah's religion except Holy Trinity?
Dr Dan,
You are a gentleman and well educated. Thank you for all your love and hard work.
I like the academic side of looking at the Quran. Purely looking at what the manuscripts are. Looking forward to seeing more from this point of view.
- *If you find what follows puzzling* , remember that *tens of thousands of *non-Arab muslims* memorize the whole Qur'an *_IN ARABIC_* . Imagine how easy the task was to native Arabic speakers of the 7th century.
-To the memorized recitation was/is still assigned the task of certifying print-outs/ manuscripts ..etc not vice versa.
The "referee" then *is the recited text *in 7th century Arabic* within the approved linguistic variations pertaining to.. what? Passive vs. active; long vowels vs. short vowels; singular vs. plural *_but all within the same chapter/verse order_* .
Dr DB, please have the three books and its packaging analysed for any kind of toxicity before you touch it or take it in to your home.
This is a good advice, and I hope Dr. Bruebakker will take heed of it.
GREAT JOB DAN.
I subscribe to this chanel because I am seriously to convert to another religion
Can't wait.
Thank you for exposing lies and revealing truth once again. Keep up the good work.
have you read Dr Altikulac's book?
Round 1 ding ding ding. No but in all seriousness Dan Brubaker is a gentleman scholar. Methodically breaking down and destroying the (false) perfectly preserved narrative. 2021 is going to be another highlight year. Popcorn ready.
I think it's very simple to prove if the scribal errors are taken by Dr Brubaker for authentic text of Quran - you should just open Quran and see if those scribal errors are in it or not! And the problem is that many Qurans have different variations of the same verses so how do you call this? Scribal errors?
are you talking about Ahruf differences? Cause if you are, then that's the totally different thing than "Scribal errors".
@@lightnox8388 i think all this rubbish has too much mess and it has nothing to do with the truth which is always clear and understandable as it is in Bible
@@Lilia..... It really doesn't matter what you "think". And what do you mean it's very "clear" with the bible? You don't even know who authored the gospels lol
Hi Dr Dan brubaker, thanks for letting us to this insight.
Of course your book will be critiqued especially because some sides are not happy with the cat letting out of the bag. You aren't showing us what is no there. Your work is going far and wide. The more they critic the bigger your audiences. So keep going, keep moving. Remain blessed. May God be with you and your family 🙏
No cat was let out of the bag. If anything a smelly rat was found in the bag. Dr Brubaker merely succeeded in inadvertently displaying his hidden agender of bias and prejudice albeit under the guise of a calm puppy dog look of scholarship and perfectionism.
He addresses himself with his title but refuses to acknowledge DR. Brubaker. We see the hurt he feels right from the cover of his booklet. Why do we expect them to have a Fair criticism?? they cannot be objective or fair- minded.. Keep hammering away Dr. Brubaker .
I'm surprised that the author didn't title this book "Debunking of Daniel...". Nice to see that Muslim academics have a slightly higher standard... I can't say though that I have seen many Western books which start with the word "Refutation" in big letters! Many Muslims will sadly use the cover to dismiss Dr. Brubaker's work without reading either book.
A good point. Just to add: *Whatever the "variant" they are referring to, Qur'an chapters /verses are in the exact same order* . You can not deny that. Linguistic variations exist in individual words *but within the same chapter/verse arrangement* .
Mark 4:22-For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was anything kept secret, but that it should be revealed.
We Memorized our book fam. Millions of Muslims today still do from cover to cover, because we also recite it during our Prayers. Qur'an manuscripts don't matter for us it is just supplementary, our main method of preservation is through critical Memorization.
They can’t comprehend that during the Prophet’s time thousands memorized the Quran to the teeth.
@@bioahmedical6705 they did even more seriously than we do today , because their lives depended on it, and Allah said he made it easy for us to remember. Which can be proven today , we have hundreds of even 7 year olds that have memorized the Qur'an cover to cover. Alhamdulillah
It may have been the case that many people memorized the Qurʾan in the 7th Century. I understand that is what many people today believe happened. The question is: What does the evidence indicate about this proposition? The only tangible links that we have back to that time period are the manuscripts, inscriptions, coins, etc. So, we need to take them seriously as evidence, including as evidence to tell us about the state of the orality at various times. It is very easy to say "it was always memorized," and again, this may be true, but that is not a scientific statement unless we have some contemporaneous evidence or other good reason supporting such a claim. I hope that helps. DB
@@variantquran4505 evidence is there for you to study or simply look at the Qur'an tradition in the Muslim society, you will clearly see how they memorize not just orally transmit but MEMORIZE to the letter. You should also mention that Muslims consider the Memorization method as our main method of preservation, manuscripts are simply complementary and can contain scribal errors.
@@variantquran4505 For example in comparison to other prominent scriptures, if I were to make the SLIGHTEST mistake in recitation of the Qur'an, I would be corrected by even a 7 year old. That's preservation right there my friend.
refuting is not enough to cover the holes in the holey book
بارك الله فيك
I m Not optimistic about the book of Mr. Altikulge :-)
The funny thing is there is no book refuting how badly the bible has been preserved or the issue of the trinity. The reason is because making such a book would be futile.
Imagine reading the American Constitution in modern British English. Apply this to the Qur'an readings [linguistic *variations in individual words not verses* ] within exact same chapter/verse order* .
To all muslims
We should follow what being instructed by Caliph Uthman to use the version approved by the prophet companions. The rest manuscripts or completed Qurans not approved to be destroyed.
Any old copies manuscript found should not be used to compare with the present Quran because no one can verify the authenticity of the manuscript except the prophet companions. Why should we questioned and claimed the Quran is complete just because we found old manuscript which no one can verify its authetic in todays world.
Best for us, is to ignore those claim and hold on to the one approved by the prophet's companions
*Whatever the "variant" they are referring to, Qur'an chapters /verses are in the exact same order* . You can not deny that. Linguistic variations exist in individual words *but within the same chapter/verse arrangement* .
Why not to ask an electronic copy of it, such as pdf file?
When you are on the level of Dr Brubaker, you want a book in your hand.
What to be upset about if it is about finding the truth.
Hope to see some high level of criticism that fair and Profesional from both side.
Nothing against you Dr. Brubaker, but I think any refutation of your work is not needed.
"Refutations of Dr Daniel Brubaker"
Mario Joseph, Muslim Imam convert to Christianity
number of times mentioned in Quran: Prop Mohd= 4 places, Jesus = 25 places
No women's name in quran- only Mariam @ mother of Jesus, one whole chapter (Chap 3)
Qur 3:34 onwards - mary was born without original sin, sinless, ever virgin,
Qur 50:23 - she went to heaven with physical body
How did God create the universe? Through the Word of God ( kalimatullah)
Is the Word of God ( kalimatullah) - a Creator or Creation?
Quran says Jesus is the word of God.
Qur 3:45-55 - 10 points quran makes about Jesus
Calls him kalimutullah (word of God), ruhhullah ( spirit of God), Isil Masih ( jesus Christ - The Anointed)
Jesus spoke when 4 years old - breathed life into mud(bird) and created life, cured a blind man, cured man with leprosy, Jesus gave life to dead people. Jesus went to heaven , he is alive and will come again
According to Quran - Prop Mohammad is not the word of God, not the spirit of God, never cured any sick people, never raised any dead people, never made any miracles (breathe life into mud > bird),
he himself died and will not come back. Jesus is a prophet greater than Mohammad.
Qur 10:94 If you have any doubt in this quran which I give to you, go and read the bible or ask the people who read the bible. The truth is already revealed in that.
The quran itself will make you Christian.
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Hafiz takes 7 to 5 years to completely remember the Quran, vers by vers word by word and in his whole life. he have to revised it.
And Hufaiz of that time read the copy of Quran and verify it. And if you really doing this study honest INSHALLAH! ALLAH will "Revert" you MUSLIM
did the modern hafiz know the verse of stoning?
yes or no
Dr your calm, gentle and respectful responses towards your critiques is truly amazing.
You have daringly ventured into one of satan's greatest literary text through painstaking laborious scholarly research work, he has indeed taken notice of you.
Behind the calm facade lies a bigot and hypocrite. The Turks were not impressed with his trickery so Dr Altikulac nicely exposed him.
@@sidprice6214 be not hasty to judge, as a passionate scholar he will surely respond to the turk
@@frankly.speaking I did not judge him. A careful reading and understanding of his book brings forth the truth about him. Had you read Dr Altikulac's book you would know that Dr Brubaker has no room to maneuver on the matters raised in his book. Its pretty much "game set and match". Dr Brubaker will have to come up with something new related to this subject to save face. He will have to divert his audience attention away from the "20 corrections" to get out of this mess. Its the usual tactic - when unable to answer then delay and divert - it has been used by prejudice and bias people like him for a long time.
Dr Brubaker needs to respond to the "truth" and not just the "turk". You should show more respect for Dr Altikulac as he is by far more senior than Dr Brubaker in this field. By referring to him as "the turk" you have in fact insulted this highly recognised expert in this field.
@@sidprice6214 i am certain Dr Brubaker will soon respond in a scholarly manner and expose the demonic erroneous text, the quran.
@@frankly.speaking No doubt he will respond however i doubt if it will be scholarly as judging by his book which wasn't scholarly either.
You have now shown yourself to be the bigot and racist that you are just as Dr Brubaker exposed his bias and prejudice in his book.