Good, Bad, Ugly: 3000km with my 2024 TRIUMPH TIGER 900 Rally Pro | Honest Owner's Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- The Triumph Tiger 900 2.0 offers real improvements over the first generation, but there are still annoying details which could have so easily been put right.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:15 Con: Seat
02:45 Con: Splash guard
04:19 Con: Key
06:16 Con: Dash
09:11 Con: Twitchy
09:59 Con: Wind
11:26 Con: Heat
14:14 Pro: Brakes
15:16 Pro: Indicators
16:18 Pro: Bar damping
17:38 Pro: Engine
18:27 Pro: Versatility
20:17 Pro: Crash protection
21:15 Pro: Fuel economy
21:42 VERDICT
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Very comprehensive review, must have involved a lot of work. Love the way you’re never afraid to criticise your own bikes. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you like it👍
I don’t believe that I have ever used the terms “forensic investigator” & “motorcycle reviewer/critic” in the same sentence-until now…another EXTREMELY thorough & thoughtful evaluation of this Tiger 900.
You have a gift for painting a detailed & lively picture through your “wordsmithing”…I will certainly nominate you for the Norman Rockwell Award of “Wordology”.
Well done(once again), Detective Rocketman❗️
Lol, thanks for your kind words of encouragement, Ben. Much appreciated👍😊
Thanks for your detailed review, like always with very useful information and relevant comparations!
Thanks for your kind words of encouragement👍😊
I've absolutely zero interest in this bike, yet i watched your video, as i always do, all the way through. Your breakdown on the pluses and minuses were fascinating and typical of your posts, that's why i like them so much.
Thanks, Ian. Comments like this make me want to produce more content :)
Always enjoy your reviews and comments. I own a 21 RP. Bought used in October 22 with only 1600 miles. Due to some health issues I was not able to ride it as I had my BMWs over the past 15 years, but I was in love from the start. I just returned from my first multi-day trip on it...a series of 200-250 mile days in Northern California coastal mountain regions with a mix of road conditions from high speed twisties to rough two-track. It was phenomenal. Currently running Missions, but with the AX41s i came with it was fantastic off road.
Three things I have done that significantly improved ergonomics for ME (YMMV):
1. SW-Motech Ion pegs (about an inch lower than stock at their lowest settings). I'm 6' with 33, can flat-foot with the seat in highest position and rear preload adjusted to lower the bike. The pegs open the rider triangle up and reduced the knee bend.
2. Replaced the Rally handlebars with a set from a GT. Same width and height, but slightly more pull back angle matching that of my GS and GSA, much better wrist angle for me.
3. Givi Sport Tour screen for GT (D6415S). HUGE improvement over stock. Will not fit if using Rally bars. With my GT bars, DoubleTake mirrors, and Barkbusters, it still clears in all screen and handlebar angles (I rotate my bars up when I know I will be riding more than a few miles off road)
Edit: I'm good for only about 100 miles on the seat. I may eventually commit to a custom seat (as on my BMWs) but for now a real sheepskin fleece suits me well enough for a long day on the saddle. Most of the buzzing in my bike was cured by replacing the OEM upper and lower protection bars with a set from Akurat.
Some great feedback there. Thanks. I will look into your suggestions👍😊
Thank you for yet another great review. And those last comments at the end, wow....how i feel the same, about many of those "wantings" haha
Thank you sir!
👍😊
Nice review. Made about 2000km's on my 24' GT Pro and it is one of the best allrounder bikes out there.
It is a keeper for sure!
Great bike indeed. Enjoy👍😊
Thanks for the detailed update!
"It's a keeper......" time will tell 😁
Ride safe always.
Thanks :)
Maybe a MG Stelvio next? 😂@@RocketMan_Moto
MG dealer here is hopeless😟
@@RocketMan_Moto just kidding 😊
I have a 22 GT Pro, 6000 miles or so. I’m in Idaho where there’s way more dirt than pavement. I’m a bit like you where I limit myself to maintained forest roads. Just turned 70 with multiple joint replacements so my days of adrenaline are over. I’ve been jonesing for the 24 Rally. Put my bike on the block and had zero response except for 3 scammers. Trade in was going to be $9000 and that didn’t make sense to me. So new tires. From Dunlop Trailmax Missions to Bridgestone AX41s. The first gens are still awesome rides. Here in the intermountain west we maintain pretty high speeds. When overtaking, I’m up over 100 before I know what’s happening. Maybe lacking a bit of character, but I can live with that. God knows what might happen if I had a bike with more character!
Thanks for your input👍😊
Almost 70 myself. Mine came with AX41s and I had used them on my GS. Fantastic off road performance and surprisingly stable in the canyons. Regrettably, I burned through two rears in less than 3000 miles (I blame the quickshifter and lack of self control). Fantastic tire!!
Yes, I’ve heard they’re quite soft
That's comprehensive.
Too much for me, as a 100kph traveller, but that doesn't mean i can't appreciate it for what it is.
Amazing machines we can buy today.
Rock on Triumph.
Ride safe 👍
Thanks!
@teneretraveller8980 Strange you should mention that...I was watching a TH-camr on tour in Ireland a few days ago he was riding a Triumph Tiger 1250 ...... when I converted his kph to mph....he was riding the same speed as I would probably be doing on my 44 bhp Honda...😯
Great review. I have the previous generation 900 GT Pro. Yes, I agree with you about a rear hugger, even if it was an option. The only time a found issue with the radiator heat is when its above 35 deg C here in Australia. I fitted larger upper deflectors to mine from Puig, the fixed wings either side of the windscreen. They make a difference at higher speeds. Also, I fitted Road 6 tyres , they made a huge difference to the handling especially in the wet. I have used them on light off road situation and are Ok.
Thanks for the info about the Puig deflectors. I'll take a look but fear they may not be compatible with my Barkbuster handguards (which are made in Australia - shout out!). I will probably go for some road tyres when it comes time to swap, although I never ride in the wet. Thanks for your input :)
Whenever I tell my wife I’m happy with my bikes and not changing them she just rolls her eyes 👀 good review thanks .
I hope to upgrade my 2023 model to the latest one this year .
Haha😂 Despite the niggles I highlighted, it’s a very nice bike and a definite improvement over the first gen.
Great to see that you are content with your decision on trading ST & TA for Tiger.
About the negatives, luckily there are a lot of aftermarket accessories that could help, but concerning the seat... even on my NX it is a bit anoying to put it back in place - can imagine what sort of trouble I would have on Tiger :-)
Have fun!
Cheers!
A really interesting an honest review of your experience with the bike to date - I can see how you've ended up with it. I test rode the first 900 Tiger GT Pro back in '21 and rode the revised version about a month ago. Overall it felt like a better bike but I still struggle a little to get my head around the engine which doesn't offer the 'thump' of a twin and isn't as smooth as a traditional Triple (I currently own a 1200GS and a Street Triple). The dash layout is much better than it was though and it seemed to vibrate less than it did when first released, I only wish they would revert to a conventional 120 degree crank as per the Street Triple and 660 engines as I feel that, for me at least, it would make sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts👍
Thanks for your input. I agree with all your points. The 2024 offers palpable improvements over the first gen. Still not perfect, but what bike is?👍😊
Yayyyy RocketMan video !
Clamped!
Nice review, the lack of protection of rear shock was pretty bad, don't know how triumph missed that. The key thing hmmm. Glad yr enjoying yr bike RM
Thanks, Steve. It’s a very nice bike to ride. Pity they couldn’t iron out those minor problems
Agree with all your sentiments.Great all round bike.Thks.
Thanks, Bruce👍
I am still very pleased with mine after 5000 km. Triumph recomends dumping the preload on the rear shock when going offroad. This will increase the rake a bit. And it does make it more stable on soft surfaces. Although I usualy keep the preeload the same. It is stable enough for my level of offroading.
I have tried that 'trick' and I agree it does help a little :)
I’ve owned a 900GT for three years and really like it…but really desiring a companion Triumph Twin. They are pretty to look at, and there’s just something special about a simple bike…at least for us nostalgic old guys.
Completely agree😉
Great video
Thanks!
Nice review!
I remember riding street tripe, it was hot! My 2002 Hornet is also boiling me, the underseat exhaust might be some kind of contraception.
Funny: the NC which I ride in colder season stays much cooler :D
Lets see how long the Tiger it is a keeper ;)
Not a keeper? I'm sure I don't know what you mean... ;)
Rocketman, Love your review !
I've been lusting over the triumph twin engine sound, either from speed twin 1200, or maybe the 900, I have doubts I can use it as much as my tiger 900 gt pro, your review gives me pause.
Here is a long opinion of my Tiger 900 Gt Pro...
I own a 2021 Tiger 900 GT Pro, which now has 50,000 km on it. I've ridden it mostly without luggage, except for a few trips where I did carry some luggage, always solo. Before this, I owned a Suzuki V-Strom 650.
Some comments:
Key Lock: Engaging the key lock can be a pain. I find that pushing the key down while turning the handlebar to the left helps, but it requires coordination.
Tank Bag: Reaching the key with a tank bag in place is frustrating.
Handlebar Vibration: There is always some vibration at highway speeds, though the cruise control is a big help.
Seat Comfort: The previous version of the seat can become uncomfortable after just a couple of hours, depending on the pants I'm wearing. With heavier riding pants, it's more bearable.
Tachometer Graphics: The tachometer graphics are difficult to read, and it is very slow to start up.
Seat Reattachment: Reattaching the seat requires patience and practice to get it right.
Sidewinds: My GT is very stable in side winds. While I can feel my head being pushed sideways, the bike remains stable, which is 1000% better than the V-Strom.
Engine Heat: I bought deflectors from AliExpress, which do a decent job. I only feel the heat at slow speeds.
Performance: With its 95 hp, the GT can keep up with the larger 1250 GS that most of my riding buddies own, even on spirited highway rides.
Height and Stability: The GT's height suits me well, allowing me to prevent drops at low speeds even if I make a mistake. The V-Strom was much less forgiving and ended up on the ground many times.
Rear Shock Protection: I added a piece of rubber behind the rear shock to prevent debris from being thrown up by the rear wheel.
Fork Service: I recently had the forks serviced, and now the ride is very nice and stable on twisty roads.
Future Plans: I'm considering reflashing the ECU to remove the 80% max throttle limit at high RPMs, which will likely make me keep the bike a bit longer.
Great input there. Thanks👍 The Speed Twin was a ‘beautiful machine’, but waaay less use than the Tiger
Great review. Watching from here in Australia, so interested in the heat from the radiator. I'm not really interested in the off-road side, so the GT Pro is on my radar. Currently on a BMW R1200RS but looking for that bit more leg room as I get older. I am also disappointed when manufacturers skimp on a few cents during manufacturing in order to make a significantly better offering on the finished product. Makes no sense to me. Love your work.
Thanks, Kevin. I’m very happy with the Tiger, it just does everything I want😊
Thanks for the review. I recently purchased the 2024 Tiger 900 GTPro, which I had fitted with the original Triumph top & lower crash bars. It was pointed out to me however that the lower crash bar is bolted to the engine & was warned that it could seriously damage the engine in a crash, instead of protecting it. Could you comment on this, please?
Please keep making your videos, I like the thorough and calm manner of presentation best. Cheers!
Thanks. The idea of damaging the bike because of a design flaw doesn’t really worry me. Warranties are there for that. However, causing damage through the use of third-party add-ons is another matter entirely…
Thank you for this. I currently have a CB500X which will tell you a lot about the amount of dirt I do - not much. I'm really looking for something bigger with cruise control for longer rides. Have always loved these bikes and have been tossing up between the Rally and the GT. This is making me lean more to the Rally if for no other reason than that I really do love the look of the green and white.
Then, of course, there's always the Husky 901......
The Tiger would be a very nice step up from the CB500X. If you're tall enough, then absolutely go for the Rally. Handling is just as good as the GT 99% of the time, it looks better and the suspension is more comfortable.
Great review thanks. Will be picking up a new 24 RP in Thailand next week. My only concern is the heat from the radiators as I'll be constantly riding in hot weather. Hopefully it won't be too bad 🤞🏻
The heat only becomes an issue in traffic, tbh. Out on the road there’s enough wind for you not to notice. Enjoy your new bike👍😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Great thanks. I'll probably face quite a lot of traffic in Bangkok and other cities in Thailand so if it gets bad may have to look for some solutions. Appreciate your feedback and glad you are enjoying your new bike overall.
Thanks. I’m lucky in that I have a ‘cold’ scooter for city duties😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Yeah, I'm not so lucky. Took a Tiger for a test ride here in Phuket while waiting for mine and can confirm it gets pretty toasty on the legs.
Thanks for the thorough and entertaining review. I'm still a Speed Twin admirer, but it's fun to hear your thoughts about the Tiger. I wonder why Triumph (and others) made that decision about the ignition placement? I see no advantage myself.
Mystery🤷♂️
I've got a 2022 Tiger Sport 850, so some of your niggles I can relate to. First thing I did was put an MRA screen on it, which is slightly lower but wider than the stock one. It has improved things slightly, but still not perfect. You can get deflectors to fit into the fairing radiator ducts, to deflect the hot air away from your knees. I've not tried them yet, but I'll see how I feel after it gets a bit hotter here in the coming weeks.
I do enjoy the bike, but the vibrations are a bit annoying also. I'm not sure what I can do about that.
Anyway, great review as always. 👍
Thanks, Robert. Those deflectors aren’t compatible with the 2024 model, unfortunately🙁
Hi RocketMan, I like your videos. I’m a Portuguese guy living in Holland and looking at the clear blue skies in your videos is always heart warming :)
I’m interested to know, how you ended up living in Portugal, what you do for a living and how do you find living in Portugal is, after all the while you’ve been there.
Sorry if my question is too out of scope. You are free to ignore it, of course.
Btw, you think Portugal is windy? You should try Holland 😅
My motorbike (bmw k1300r) weighing 250kg, parked on the side stand, was flipped over by the wind here 😮
I bought it second hand, in Portugal. Now after 9 years with it, I’m looking for a nice “next chapter” bike.
Cheers. Keep up the nice videos!
Glad you enjoy my videos. I run an online business. Been here 6 years now. Thanks for your input👍😊
I'm approaching 2000km on my 24 GT Pro, and I agree with a lot of what you said here: your summary of the heat vs pants is spot on, exactly my experience. The start up speed of the dash is a bit slow, and the location of the odometer in the menus a bit frustrating, but in the first case I've gotten used to it and in the 2nd I think it's more frustrating during the break-in period but after you get past that, not so much. I also find the steering lock mechanism a bit finaglely, though not to the extent you described. Wind protection is decent but as you said too narrow (I'm 184cm) and I'm considering options to improve that. What I very much disagree with though, is the looks - nothing beats the GT Pro in that lovely red/almost ruby color :). If you're ever out towards the east of Spain get in touch and we can compare bikes in person!
Lol, and red is good for an extra 5hp👍😊
“It’s a keeper “ - famous last words!
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The radiator design...why oh why?
Superb review from a rider owner perspective. Thank you.
Thanks. Could have been worse: they could have pointed the radiator fans at the rider’s face…😂
Thanks for a great video! I'll be visiting Portugal this September, riding from Belgium on a Husqvarna LR 701 enduro, doing a bit of easy gravel tracks along the way. Any suggestions on which parts of Portugal I should really visit or avoid? Thank you 😊 ❤
Serra da Estrela in the north, Arabida national park east of Lisbon, anywhere in the Algarve hills😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Thank you so much!
Brilliant review, i honestly think it's expensive compared to what it's offering, i would love to see your take on Suzuki 800de.
Thanks. It is expensive, but it’s very nice to ride (despite the niggles I highlighted). Thanks for your input👍😊
Nice review...Touched most issues I would nag about. I have around ~600km right now on my Rally Pro.
One thing I would say you missed (or perhaps I am not a good enough/used enough driver) is the anti-stall making taking-off and low speed maneuvers to be a hassle.
I will try reconfiguring the clutch moving the friction zone closer to my hand and see how things go.
Thanks. I can’t say I’ve had a problem with the anti-stall. I have it on my van, though, so maybe I’m just used to it?
Interesting review, I own a ‘22 1200 GT Pro and you’re right they’re pigs when you have to pull ‘em up onto the centre stand or manoeuvre them around in tight spaces. The spotlight on warning light travelling around the dash I found quite funny (guess the location depending on what’s being used) which gets even more complicated when the electronic suspension lowering option is used lol. The dash could be better, but it’s a bit of a non issue once you’ve become accustomed to it, and Triumph did in their wisdom fit rear shock mud protection on the bigger bike.
I changed the screen (same issue a bit narrow) to a WRS unit, and changed the screen winglets for Puig units, the seat units aren’t the best and appear to be identical in their fit if not shape (the updated 24 1200 has a seat closer in shape to yours), the rubber bungs that locate into the bike have worn on mine which allows the seat to rock to and fro - warranty will take care of that. The 1200 also suffers from clutch issues, dash issues (failures), although mine has been ok on both counts so far.
Yes, the negatives I highlighted are far outweighed by the plus points. The wandering warning lights, for example, aren’t that bad, it’s just silly and unnecessary. Thanks for your input👍😊
I have a speed twin 1200 which a keeper for sure and a street triple rs. Currently looking to sell the rs for a rally pro. Thanks for the videos
That would be the perfect garage👍
Im in the market for a T900 rally pro. Gotta test ride it soon, but is the windshield that bad (you are quite taller then me, im only 180cm)? im planning on doing slight offroading but mostly road. I just prefer the looks of the rally pro over the gt pro. Other competitors are tracer 9gt+ but that is pure touring, its so hard to decide! Great detailed review, keep up the good work!
Thanks. No, the windscreen is good enough for me not to want to change it
I own the 2023 GT Pro and can testify it's an amazing bike. I'm glad you brought up the steering lock issue i thought it was just me. Oh yes and having to take my tank bag off to access the key is annoying. The vibes aren't bad like some people say and it's gives the bike character when you start pushing on. Screen mode 4 is the best.
No screen modes on the 2024. Just a cheap ignition barrel😟
Just a thought but I remounted the quick release mechanism on my GIVI tank bag to move it back a couple inches. Makes a big difference.
Yes, tweaking helps. But why can’t we just have keyless like on my €6,000 Honda scooter?😩
So changing the suspension to somewhere in the recommended off road suspension settings make the bike QUITE a bit more agreeable off road. I’ve been running the “on-road comfort” suspension settings and it’s been great in everything I’m capable of throwing at it.
Great video!
Thanks👍😊
Thanks for another great detailed review , I’m in the market for a new bike and thinking the 900 Rally Pro , I’ve got a test organised but I wanted to ask your view on the seat height , im 5 ft 11 with a 32 inch inside leg , do you think it would be a good fit ? Thxs
I think you should be fine with the seat in its lower position👍
Hi. Great vid. I have the 1200. Hey I notice a little bag attached to the right side of your tft. Would you be able to tell me where you got this? Thanks.
Thanks. It’s from Decathlon. Designed for bicycles, under the saddle. I jam it in the space between the deflector and the TFT to hold my motorway toll badge😊
I was so close to handing over my money for a 2024 Tiger GT model earlier this year, but as someone in IT as soon as I saw some the reviews highlighting the software stutters / slow menu transitions etc I was out immediately. Sorry Triumph, unacceptable on a premium motorcycle. I went for the 2024 Suzuki S1000GX
There is far more to Triumph than a software issue that can always be remedied easily.
Hopefully it will be updated at some point. Enjoy your Suzuki, great bike :)
@@mrofnocnon I don't see them overhauling the operating system on a released bike, they would rather introduce better hardware/software with a newer year model as a selling feature, remember existing customers are exactly that, they have paid, now on to the next one's!
We’ll just have to wait and see
How are you finding the Suzuki? I own the 2023 model and dime 6k miles on 6 months and love the bike. It does everything so well and it's extremely practical and comfortable.
Have a 24 GT Pro and agree that the engine heat is minimal with riding pants/jeans and my knees are right at the opening. On the windshield, consider adding a Puig spoiler to the top as it makes a big difference in airflow over the helmet. I like the added air on my shoulders here in the deep south of the US. I also added Pivot Pegs as I found the stock pegs too small for my feet. I do not fault the bike as these are ergo changes I have to make on all bikes given my 6'3" frame with long arms and legs.
The reference I bought was SW-KFT.11.953.30000/B. Hope this helps.
Thanks for you another honest review. As a long time viewer and have to say your opinions resonated a lot with my experiences (as ex-owner of cb500x :) ).
I decided to go with gt-pro since road is my home in 99 percent of cases and if any gravel will appear, gt will handle it as well (with proper tires fitted).
One question for you - how you manged to fit those SW pro side carries on this 24 model? Do you have SW SKU Number? (there are in total 3 different variants for Tiger 900, sku number ending 000, 001 and 002)
SW motech official offer of accessories for latest model is still rather sparse and upon contacting them via mail, their response is "we have motorbike in our warehouse and do test fittings, stay tuned"... I'm "tuned" for 3 weeks now and nothing happened :D
The ref. I bought was SW-KFT.11.953.30000/B. Hope this helps😊
You are quite right to highlight your niggles but all these shortcomings are easily customizable. My '24 Gt Pro is simply the best bike, for me, I've ever owned. Try the Puig extra large side wind deflectors, put a hugger on, get over the odometer and moving warning light and just turn on the bike whilst putting your gloves on!
Extra large wind deflectors? Not seen those. Do you have a link?
Thanks for the video. What is the phone holder that you are using?
$15 accessory bracket from AliExpress + Quad Lock
Awesome video! Those are some niggles. My GS has those gaps on the seat as well. And it really pisses me off. I may go after market seat just to get that fixed. The odometer issue is worrisome. I don't know what their logic is here. There are many positives however. Beautiful bike for sure. Best!
Just about sums it up: great bike with unnecessary flaws🤷♂️ Thanks for your input😊👍
Like your previous video on why you gave your ST 1200 for T900RP, I'm still with you..
The doubt at 17:05 on whether the engrs tweaked the engine, only way to find out is whether you feel that much vibration on your foot pegs and the inner side of the leg hugging the tank.. if yes then the tweak is a ???.. if the vibrations are minimum then they did their magic..
Happy miles
From 🇮🇳 India
Thanks for your input :)
Nice review, there's always something. I was prepared to be unhappy with my new Transalp suspension, but in the end its perfectly good enough for me. My niggle at the moment is that since the 500klm mark my speedo lit up with a bright orange bar saying that the service is due in another 500 klm. Then this 500klm becomes, 400, 300, 200 100. without any obvious way to see exactly how many klms you have actually done. Right now all I know is that I've done somewhere between 900 and 1000 klms. Seems like a daft idea to me since my brain is capable of recognizing exactly how close I am to the 1000 klm point at any time if the klms were simply displayed on the speedo.
As you say, there's always something. I agree about the Transalp's suspension, never had a problem with it and actually enjoyed the super plush feel. Thanks for your input :)
Thank you for the great video 👍
I’m currently on the market for my next bike, and I try to decide between 2024 Tiger 900 Rally Pro vs 2024 Africa Twin Adventure Sport with 19” front wheel. I’m looking for mostly adventure road bike, maybe occasionally gravel or fire roads but nothing extreme. I know that Tiger GT Pro will be better choice but I like the look of Rally Pro. What would you choose or advice? Tiger RP is about €2300 cheaper than Honda, has slightly more power, but on the other side ATAS has more torque and has semi active suspension. Any advice please???😢
Well, I’m a Honda and Triumph fanboy, but I discounted the Africa Twin quite early in my research: it’s a very big motorcycle, top heavy, feels much less sporty than the Tiger and has terrible switchgear and dash. The Tiger was a clear winner for me, despite the niggles😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Thank you
Came very close to replacing my Transalp with a new 900 GT Pro, ultimately ended up going with a 2024 Africa Twin Adventure Sports, came down to the looks/ bigger gas tank.
Nice choice👍😊
Hi I was just wondering what kind of bracket you’ve used to attach your phone it looks a good position to be in as I’m looking to do the same would love to see .
Cheers simon
Simple accessory bar from AliExpress. I paid about €15, but very acceptable quality.
Interesting as always. Thanks! i have the 2024 GT Pro and share some of the frustrations - the main one being the screen. I'm 5ft 10", around 178cm I think, and the screen makes my ears very uncomfortable. It's almost as if the screen is throwing turbulent air straight at the lower sides of the helmet. I had a couple of reasonably brief test rides before buying the bike where it didn't seem "too bad" but after a couple of hours it becomes deeply unpleasant. So I'm on the lookout for a replacement one. If I can't address the issue then I'll have to sell the bike - it's that unpleasant. It's a shame as I love more or less everything else about the thing. BTW, you appear to have connected your phone to the Tiger so you maybe able to get the odomoter reading on the Triumph app. Roll on Triumph catching up and having Car Play/Auto instead of their clunky connectivity is all I can say on the dash - although it's a lot better than nothing.
Yes, the app does display the mileage, but only if it connects properly. Which, of course, it doesn't always do :(
In reference to your title, you ever ride to Sadhill Cemetery? Good review
Had to Google it, quite a distance😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Would be a great destination
Hello, a special thanks for your comments on the heat produced for the knees by the specific configuration of the ventilators on this bike. I find it to be nearly a deal breaker for me...
Glad you found the info useful. The heat isn't a dealbreaker for me, it's not that bad...
@@RocketMan_Moto I noticed that you dealt with the issue, because of your special equipement. But the question is, were you in need of this equipement for the everyday use of your previous Transalp?
No, the Transalp was incredibly ‘cool’, but I wear riding jeans all the time anyway😊
No, the Transalp was incredibly ‘cool’, but I wear riding jeans all the time anyway😊
In my experience bark busters can cause vibes due to not mimicking stock bar end weights, might be worth trying the added weight accessories to further reduce vibrations
Good idea. I’ll look into it now. Thanks👍😊
I contacted SW Motech today and apparently they do not have a tank ring for the Rally Pro 24 model! Are you using the '23 ring and if so any problems with fitment? Thank you.
I'm actually using the one I originally bought for my Trident 660. Fits perfectly. I believe all (most?) Triumphs use identical fuel filler designs
Tiger 800 XCA 2016 owner here, l tested the 900 GT Pro 2024 past weekend, 200km highway 200 twisty mountain roads.(Sadly no Rally Pro as a test vehicle in any Triumph dealer near me)
My thoughts:
1. Stock exhaust is louder than expected, it wasn't that different than the Mivv l have on my 800.
2. TFT is not great takes too may clicks to do stuff just like you said, also turn signal is way too close to the directional button and have similar shape so l was signalling randomly way too many times.
3. My mirrors on 800 are useless between 5 and 6k rpm on the highway( could be due to knobby tires, bar raisers or upper crash bars because everyone praises how smooth the 800 is) no such vibrations at all on the 900 2024, but the first thing my passenger said "Oh this has more vibrations" go figure.
4. Stock pegs are a joke even on RP, they are almost half the size compared to 800 XCA.
5. Engine is on a different level, it's almost comparing apples to oranges.
Still thinking if l should sell my bike and get a 24 but 18500 euros is a lot of money so probably will wait for end of summer to make a decision and see if they have any deals. Also my dealer told me there might be new colours coming up with 2025 models which shouldn't be that far away.
Thank you for the detailed video
Great input there and I agree with your comments👍😊
I just made a comment in Portuguese, but then I realized that im not sure if you do speak portuguese (even worst, Brazilian portuguese), but i know that your wife is Brazilian, so u can ask her help if needed hehe
Eu não sei porque eu gosto tanto dos seus vídeos, eu consigo pensar em vários outros "TH-camrs" que produzem vídeos mais """profissionais""" que você, que possuem um conhecimento técnico muito maior do que o seu.
Mas quando eu procuro algo sobre uma moto e tem um vídeo seu, sempre é o primeiro ou segundo que eu vejo, e normalmente, o que eu mais gosto...
Talvez seja pela simplicidade com que você faz o vídeo, só tentando explicar a sua opinião pessoal sobre a moto, sem a ambição de convencer ninguém...
Seus vídeos parecem mais com as conversas que tenho com amigos motociclistas do que com um review de um ""TH-camr profissional"""".
De qualquer maneira, parabéns pelo trabalho!
(U can reply in English if u prefer, just made the comment in portuguese to change the things up a little bit)
Obrigado pelas suas amáveis palavras de incentivo :)
Interesting thought on Tiger 1200. I concluded similar after doing test rides of both Tigers 900, Vstrom 1050 DE, Africa Twin to replace my Tuareg 660. I was looking for more power, but turned out more power and better brakes are not enough to justify couple thousand euros price increase over Tuareg. Except power and brakes, it doesn't miss anything those bikes collectively have.
Agreed. Thanks for your input👍😊
Hi, are the trunk/bag holders the same as the model 23?Do you use sw-motech? I can't find anything except the original and I don't want that one.thanks for the answer.
Yes, they are the Sw Motech Pro carriers for the 2020-23 Tiger. Fit perfectly👍😊
You wouldn't find the exact part code.They SW motech keep telling me it won't fit.And they have 3 different kinds for the 20-23 model.
Seriously looking at one to replace my much loved air cooled 2007 gs. ( yes I do ride it off road lol )
It's a very nice bike: comfortable and versatile.
You mention that you use the odometer to see where you are in the break in period and getting to see the odometer is onerous, While in the break in period if you pay attention to the RPM tachometer it actually adjusts the RPM range it wants you to stay in during the different break in areas (RPM ranges at different mileages) the needle sweeps and the tack turns red at the point where it wants you to stay under. As you complete the mileages required the tach raises the redline. The bike will certainly allow the higher revs so you have to be careful.
That's quite true, the rev counter does adjust, but I still need the odometer to know how many miles I've got to go before the next rev band becomes available ;)
Hi, regarding sidewind susceptibility: I think it has to do with the 24 degree fork angle (is it really 24???) which is far too steep. I had 24.5 on my versys-x with 19" wheel but when I upgraded the front to 21" the handling got better, less agile. The 21" raised the axle which made the fork angle little less steep. For you... Can you lower the forks? Do they have some "extra" at the top of the triple clamp?
You could be right. Not sure I feel comfortable 'messing with' the geometry, though. I'll maybe talk to Triumph about it first :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I now see in your video at a later point that you have some "extra" fork height to play with. Wish I had that with my Versys-X back then. It is common for enduro, MX riders to play with fork length. There are plenty of videos about it here on youtube academy. ;) It is strange why triumph went with a 24.4 rake. Everyone does 27 nowadays... (v-strom 1050de, transalp, tenere 700).
Interesting
@@RocketMan_Moto I thought about it and the rally pro's rake angle can't be 24.4. They just copied over data from the GT PRO and left this out. It has longer suspension, bigger wheel. No way it is the same.
On the previous generation we can default the mileage on the panel by activating "service interval" on the "screen options". It'll show up by swiping on the TPMS screen. It might be the same on the 2024 model. Unfortunately the 2024 model i tested made more heat to the knees than my RP2021 does. Main reason why didn't bought it.
Strange, I find the heat better on the 2024
i had a gen 1 rallye pro in same colour as yours ..it was a def gateway bike ..opening my eyes to 1 bike to do it all . fell in love with it immediately..however it was short lived ..took it on a good run touring round the lake district ..i got back after 5 days and i couldnt even ride it because of the pain in my hand from the vibes ..installed bar ends and grip puppies and took it up again a couple of weeks later ..even worse..because of the numb hands i was able to ride less and less ..i did 3.5k miles in 3 months and it had to go as it was unrideable for me ..sadly for Triumph i will not go back , was thinking of the 1200 but same engine config ..so test rode a V4S and a GS ..im firmly in the BMW camp now ..but i still look at the Triumph with a broken heart thinking what could have been
This 2nd gen is better for vibes but it is still irritating. The Transalp was even worse, though, so I’m happy… for the moment😊
great fair review , swiss army bike ..if a tad top heavy …hope it works out for you ..
Thanks😊
Can you please share details on gps mount? which one you are using and how you installed it?
AliExpress €15. Just screwed on with the screen bolts. Very simple.
Two things have stopped me from wanting to buy the beautiful Triumph Tiger series: 1.) Too low of gear ratio, and no way to change the final drive to reduce engine RPM's for 75mph cruising. 2.) The new T-Plane crankshaft, which no longer provides the same triple sound and smoothness.
But, the Triumph Tiger bikes are some of the best looking motorcycles in the world, and are a masterpiece of engineering in their own right. I might still consider getting one anyway!
Agree with 2, but can’t say I have a problem with 1. Thanks for your input 👍😊
Hi had a test ride on 900 gt pro loved the look of the bike pros engine and gearbox and brakes brilliant. Cons awful wind protection bad handling not wanting to turn in and heated grips useless. Got back on my 950 multistrada heated grips nice and hot and was shocked at the difference in handling the ducati is miles better but the bars on the multistrada are definitely wider could that be what makes it quicker steering 🤔
Thanks for your input👍😊
Great review, hitting all the points which are important to me. I have a 2020 GT Pro and am seriously considering trading up to the 2024 model. However, just like Steve, I keep sitting on the Rally Pro trying to convince myself that 170cm me would cope...that'll be "no" then. Incidentally, would love to know how you find the SW Motech cases and "pro" mounts. Do those carriers quick-release?
Triumph do a low seat for the 2024 Rally Pro which brings the seat height down from 860-880mm to 840-860mm which I have on my RP. This makes it manageable for us shorties! I am 170mm and while I am not completely flat footed, it is very close.
@@clarkstreetcustoms thank you for that - yes, was aware. That would make the low position with that seat the same as the high position with standard GT Pro seat...which I can juuussst about cope with. However, it's not hard to imagine that there would be compromise with seat padding/comfort, bearing in mind I'm not just a short-arse but also a 67 yr-old short-arse 😅
@@clarkstreetcustoms sorry - I just reread your post and noted that you have a low seat; what's it like, comfort-wise?
@@auscurrymaster I have found it comfortable. Haven’t put the original seat back on to compare but haven’t had any issues comfort wise with the low seat. Also, I set the rear suspension sag to 80mm (1/3 of the 230mm available) and that makes a big difference. This is 6 clicks on the preload for my weight with all my gear on (80 kgs). Actual seat height depends on the sag you set. This detail seems to get lost when we talk about seat height!
Ask your dealer to try sitting on the bike with the rear preload in the full “soft” position. You might be pleasantly surprised. Hope that is helpful.
Sounds like the F900GS would have suited you better, keyless, brilliant handling, similar hp, excellent tft. I can't remember have you ridden it?
Great review BTW.
No, but I had an F900XR and didn’t get on with the characterless Chinese engine🙁
Hi, Is it approx. 50-60% more expensive than the transalp in Portugal? Does it translate to 50-60% more bike?
Also, how do you find Triumph's servicing cost vs Honda's?
From what I recall, transalps in the UK also have exposed rear shocks. Grit is definitely not a great sight on a demo bike.
65% more than the Transalp here in Portugal. I did a video on this: 'Diminishing returns' :)
Nicely commented. When I had the F750GS, which I considered very comfortable and "stately" for riding, one thing that I didn't find pleasant was the sound of the engine when standing next to the idling bike - it was loud, too much for my sensitive hearing. How is your Tiger in this regard? I know what your next bike will be (in not even six months) - a Vespa 300 GTS 🙂
Haha, I already have a Honda ADV350, so why not. I had a BMW F900XR a few years ago and that made a terrible racket on start-up. The Tiger is much nicer in that respect😊
Good to hear. Thx
Seems like seats are a pain on many models. The Transalp is also very difficult to locate back into the correct postion as I'm sure you remember. However, at least it looks right once located.
Yes, the Transalp seat was also very difficult to clip into place correctly. The gap is annoying, but you do come to accept it🙄
A very insightful look at your Triumph, no bike is perfect, I think the lack of an easy to read odometer is well odd, but not the end of the world, as far as the seat gap, is it more the black section of the tank is not quite right rather than the seat, which I have to say looks plush. Are you going to the ABR festival, if so no one will recognise you, that must be quite fun.
Yes, none of the annoyances I mentioned is really that bad, but I think it's my duty to point them out. Not really a festival type, tbh ;)
@@RocketMan_Moto I definitely am not a festival person, but I went last year and it was fantastic, 12000 blokes is not my idea of fun, but the atmosphere was so friendly, there is so much to see and do, I was one of the last people to leave the VIP campsite and there was no litter at all which says a lot about how nice everyone was., I live nearby but camped for the weekend. It might be worth looking at next year, and it is always sunny......
Sounds ok, to be fair
It's quite difficult to come up with serious criticism for the 900 RP. But good on ya for trying.
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@RocketMan...i may be in Vilamoura july 6th with my T900 RP (2021). Shall we meet and talk about our bikes?😊
I’m away then😊
It is quite susceptible to side winds! I live on the Great Plains in the U.S. and it is always windy.
So it’s not just my imagination then…
Try leaving the bike in sports mode to get rid of the vibrations through the handlebars. I left my tiger 900 in sports mode permanently for that reason
I always ride in sports mode😟 I’ve just ordered some Barkbuster bar end weights to see if that helps
Laughed so hard on your car comparison to a BMW X3.. i own a TTRP 23 and a BMW X3.. spot on!! Selling mine now though as i am expecting a BMW S1000XR, just to liven things up on the sport touring segment
Not tempted by the M, then?
@@RocketMan_Moto i’ve thought about it a lot, but not really able to justify M’s overkill hp and bump in price compared to S which is no slouch either. Im sure many s1000xr owners are getting ready to upgrade. I just find S to be better suited on the street and M on the track.
I agree completely. I’d love an S1000, but the very existence of the M - even if I absolutely don’t need 200hp - would be an itch I’d always want to scratch. A bit like the Tiger 1200, I suppose…😑
awesome ! so it's a keeper until mid 2025 then ? 😀
I like your optimism. New 2025 bikes will be announced Oct/Nov this year, lol :)
@@RocketMan_Moto ahhh haaa ! 😀
Methinks Triumph should seriously note your review and even sign you up as a tester RM..Atb..Alan..
Haha, thanks Alan😊
Referencing your disappointment in the quality of the steering lock, ignition column, TFT: I've had quite a few motorcycles over the years and I've found that paying a lot of money for advanced features always leads to disappointment. Naturally, my expectations are higher when I pay a high price , but the bike never seems to meet the expectation that I have. The innovative features are never as useful as they are claimed to be (or I don't use them at all) or i find that corners are cut on the basics. So I dialed back from an expensive Euro bike that was in the top dollar range (R1200GS Rallye) and moved more into other bikes with significantly more value (Africa Twin Adventure Sports, Versys 1000) and I find that the expectations and the dollar price paid line up much better. Motorcycles are small and compact, generally, and manufacturers these days seem to be struggling to "innovate", and I feel that the consumer is left with high diminishing returns on premium bikes beyond a similar, more value-based alternative. I don't need to be the guy who is suckered into higher dollars for little return. Rocketman, I get the feeling that the premium of the 900 over your Transalp was worth it to you, but,...was it really? I'm wondering if the Suzuki Vstrom 800, Tracer 9GT, or Standard Africa Twin would have been better, less costly and less disappointing choices.
The Tiger is definitely a much nicer bike to ride than the Transalp, but no, I’m not sure it’s €7,000 better. I totally get your point about cheap, basic bikes. Thanks for your input👍😊
Thanks. There's an almost indescribable (or lengthy description) "essence factor " with motorcycling that is distinct, and can't or shouldn't be disturbed. I think innovation sometimes gets in the way of it. Thank you for all of your analytical and thoughtful reviews.
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It's the service costs that keeps me away.A friend of mine was quoted £910 for his valve service.
For some reason - probably just market forces (euphemism for charging what they think they can get away with) - Triumph servicing costs in the UK are very high. Quite reasonable in Portugal, no more expensive than other marques.
@RocketMan_Moto May I ask what it's like in Portugal?
He did shop around, cheapest he got quoted was £860, but it was a 3 hour ride away lol.
If I remember correctly, Triumph Algarve told me it was about €600 (+/- £500)
I do hope that u manage to test ride
1300 gs
And compare it to transalp ( Becuase I own a Transalp and can relate to what ur saying..
Comparing it to tiger or a ktm wudnt help me comprehend jack...
I have already done a Transalp v 1300GS video :)
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Thanks.. Will hunt down and examine
Good choice then ! Well Done, it is beautifull.
But, with the youtube thing, Im sure "keeper" is not that many years.
I would love to see you in a big powerfull 1290 SAS. But they are ugly and you do like your bikes pretty.
Thank you for the videos ! Boa semana
Haha, yes I’m not really a KTM fan - too spiky and too orange😂
Cool… 👍
Thanks ✌
I think I would have sold the speed twin and kept the Transalp. It seems to have less annoyances.
The Tiger is nicer to ride than the Transalp, which also had many annoyances. No fuel range, for example, drove me crazy.
I agree. I have the first gen That keys is in a terrible place. Keyless would be much better
You have to wonder who signs these 'ideas' off...
I find the mounting of the seat (in the low position) on my '24 Tiger 900 Rally Pro not that solid; if I sit on the bike and "walk" it backwards with my legs I feel some movement of the seat and hear some crunching noises. Not a dealbreaker but not as solid as the seat of my R1250RT.
I agree: poor design and those random crunching noises when you move around on the seat are disconcerting😟
Not sure what the prices are like in Europe, but her in Australia the tiger 1200 is only about 2500-3000 euro more than the tiger 900. I still think the tiger 900 rally is one of the better looking adv bikes on the market.
The 1200 is a whopping €6000 more than the 900 here and, as nice as it is, I don’t think it’s worth the extra. Thanks for your input👍😊
The display on the first generation Tiger has I think, been designed by a 3 year old child. Great review by the way
Thanks. Dash has been designed by several 3-year-olds who I can only assume never met each other😟
I only rode the first-gen Tiger 900 and I was really underwhelmed. Need to try this new one but it seems to me that despite all the tech improvements, Triumph's popularity comes from huge investments in marketing.
I think you might like this new version. I found the first gen a bit underwhelming, too
The seat on mine has no gap!
Don’t know how you managed that!
@@RocketMan_Moto luck? I will look at it again when I return.
Don’t touch it, you’ll never get it to go back properly😂
'She's a keeper'..... Nope... I don't believe a word of it if I'm honest. 🙂 🤣 I have to say that seat gap at the tank, and the Odometer thing would drive me nuts. I've always used my odometer as much if not more than my speedo (I've never owned a bike with a fuel gauge, so the Odometer takes on a whole new importance! 🙂) I've had my bike from new since 1985....now, 'she's' what you can call a keeper 😉 I was kind of hoping you would address the 'Is the Triumph worth £5K more than the Transalp if I'm honest. A future video maybe?
I’ve already done a video on that😊
@@RocketMan_Moto I seem to remember that you had only had the Tiger for a couple of weeks, and you were still running it in when you did that video, I did watch that video and notice you even titled it ' (Quick test) just wondered if you still held the same opinions. (You win anyway as I've just rewatched that comparison video🤣 ) Surprised you were 'moaning' so much about the fuel guage on the Honda to be honest...Odometer is your friend .... I'd never fully trust a fuel gauge on a bike, they are notoriously inaccurant by the very nature of the beast.
Ah ok. Many have said the same, but I love fuel range… I’m weird like that😬
Well we both think we've found keepers, you with the Tiger, myself with the R1250R, so shall we bet who starts thinking about changing 1st 😅
Lol, I bet I do. Nothing tempts me at the moment, but the 2025 bikes will be along soon…🙄😂
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My local dealer resets the service due screen at 5k kilometers, when the manual clearly says 10k. I see that you had a service at 1k and the next is at 10k. I think something is fishy here.
Odd indeed🤔
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Is there some sort of a electrical connection between 2 parts of the seat ?
IF yes then why so?
transalp is one piece.
Sans cable/s
Heated seats
heated seats.
Yes, the cables are for the standard heated seats. Very nice in the winter, even here!
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