Given that the first rule of cyberpunk is “style over substance”, I can’t think of anything more cyberpunk than a revolver that sacrifices safety to look cool
the first rule of cyberpunk is high tech low life, style over substance is more reminiscent of kitsch/neokitsch which are two of the four prominent styles in night city
@@PROJEKT_R3DNot big hands but mechanical hands, like gorilla arms. Weapons manufactured by Malorian in-game regularly have ridiculously high calibers, normal nonaugmented people aren't Malorian's target audience.
@@INeedToSeeYourBalls1945 that, was my point. Anyone who played the game woulda got my point. I'm simply saying big hands for the people who aren't as "invested" as you
Now that I see it from the side, that looks hazardous to use. Front "grip" is flush with the muzzle and there is no thumb hole. I guess the potential purchasers of this gun wouldn't care if they have to buy a new finger or two
@@miikhei also I suspect in setting this is the kind of gun a person has but rarely uses, Because they can afford some hired muscle to shoot problems for them. If they are pulling out the bang bang bling it means someone fracked up.
The funny thing is that the Slaught-O-Matic would be something in the original tabletop game. Within that context, you might end up in a situation where you need a disposable weapon. Edgerunners will spring for more expensive and reliable guns under ideal circumstances. It's wacky, largely impractical, but thematically appropriate for the setting.
@@HATECELL Maybe it is, I don't have a copy of Cyberpunk Red and I don't recall seeing anything about disposable guns in my 2020 core rulebook. If anyone can confirm whether the rules for those guns exist, please do so.
It also helps control loot inflation. You can give mooks a firearm sufficient for an encounter without giving your heroes a huge arsenal for use or sale later down the track.
iirc in one of Gibson's short stories, the protag rents a cheap pistol from a back alley stand. A disposable gun is probably something you'd see after that business model failed because runners would die before being able to pay the overage fees if they had the gun for more than 20 minutes. Yes, bullets cost extra.
I imagine the Slaught-O-Magic was really just meant for situations where you’re caught without a piece and need something to defend yourself. Afterall, even smth like a 22. Would help in a mugging situation. A full auto (assumedly) 9mm in a world where getting caught in shootouts is common is probably extremely useful. Even if it has a tendency to explode.
I love the idea of a disposable machine pistol that you buy from a vending machine. In the grand scheme of weapons, it's pretty much useless, but I'm glad it exists in the game that you can use
Yup, is interesting, someone here on TH-cam did a playthrough with only disposable guns. It got painful to watch, partially. But realistically, even in the game, nobody uses those guns. At least not the NPCs.
It's useless to *you* because it's not marketed to people who actually use weapons on a regular basis. They're meant to be bought by kids/teenagers, or someone who needs a functional firearm on short notice but not so urgently that they don't have time to buy one from a vending machine.
Was about to say that. Kinda fits the entire theme of Cyberpunk... A modern era where humen life is disposeable almost as this guy makes sense having something like this. It's almost as if nothing is illegal in Cyberpunk universe anyway, so having something like this is just both hilarious and makes sense.
3:30 The l-69 ZHUO shotgun fires homing gyrojet (if you install interface plugin into your hand), actuated by electric trigger, so them being stacked in the chamber makes sense since the trigering charge can be delivered to each gyrojet separately. 10:40 not the first time the concept is executed in a videogame - Borderlands 2 Tediore guns are so cheap, you don't "buy the gun", you buy "life time subscription to a supply of guns", and they have no detachable magazine, so when you press reload, the gun is tossed away with the leftover ammunition exploding in the enemy's faces (or some more exotic function in case of the legendaries, like flying around you and shoting enemies), and a new gun is digistructed (reconstituted from surrounding material) right into your hands.
Feel like micro missiles fit better than gyrojets. To be fair the info on it is all over the place and the game claims they are bullets which they are not, but just about every other smart gun fires micro missiles. Besides they have a fair amount of kick and they definitely don't fly straight which defeats the point of gyro jet rounds.
Would’ve be worthwhile having Johnathan see that the “volley gun” was actually a smart shotgun, so all the projectiles seek their targets behind cover n such.
I really don't like that the guys showing Jonathan the gameplay often aren't terribly competent in the game. Leading to a lot of missed opportunities and oversight
@@bruhtholemew Why aren't they? If they can fire both rounds at the same time that makes it a volley... I know it feels like it shouldn't be but by definition it is.
@@thomgizziz-- Volley guns can *only* fire all barrels. Double barrel shotguns are more like two guns which can be fired together. Or a double trigger gun with an awkward volley fire mode.
5:23 - The 1917 Burton Light Machine Rifle is an example of a diagonal located magazine! TWO in fact! and the FN Minimi's alternate feed system takes magazines on an angle as well.
For Jonathan's reference there are indeed a few guns with magazines that feed at angle. A popular example would be the Nikonov AN-94, but another interesting example would be the FAD (Fusil Automatico Doble, I think it stands for), a bullpup assault rifle made in Peru that briefly made appearance in Call of Duty MW3. It uses a STANAG magazine that feeds from the left side at an angle, not unlike the SOR-22 Precision Rifle.
Doesn't the M249 have some bolt on parts to allow for STANAG mag feed as well? They mount at an angle, but it's also not a reliable system so Jonathon's point about feed angles stands
@nomad_boreal the canted magazine's point in AN-94 is rather straightforward, it is to leave space for a pull. It would be either that or concocting an S-shaped pull like Garand.
In the MCU (Civil War, Infinity War, and Engame), the Winter Soldier had an M249 Paratrooper with a 100-rd quad stack casket mag instead of a standard box mag. For the record, I just had to look all of that up. I think I remember reading that it originally belonged to Black Widow, which just raises further questions.
Given what I've seen of the Cyberpunk world, I can only guess that the Triggerguard in the overture revolver being cut might have something to do with cyberarms. since some people tend to straight up turn themselves into giants with cybernetics it might be to also allow their fingers to fit in and pull the trigger.
Yeah. The different-colored part at the bottom even looks like it could be removed or pivoted out of the way, to make it even more open. Or, perhaps replaced with a fully enclosed piece, if you've got normal hands.
6:40 The sight is actually a screen attached to the carrying handle! If you look closer it's not just a hollow tube in the handle, that'd make it super fragile tbh.
Man Can't believe Jonathan didn't mention the disappearing speed loader in the revolver section or the spent case staying in the chamber in the Kolac bit.
I'm a little surprised they didn't go with an _en bloc_ loading system like the revolvers in _Destiny,_ where the "cylinder" is really just a housing to hold one giant cartridge with six rounds in it. That would be silly and wasteful in the real world, but it would make sense in the setting and simplify the reload animation a bunch (which I assume is why they did it that way in _Destiny_ in the first place).
RE: Jonathan's point of firearms design increasingly adopting handguards with space for stuff on them. Consider that Cyberpunk has you use your own body for a lot of that stuff. Why bother with a laser designator on your rifle when you have one in your eye? Why bother with a flashlight when you have built-in nightvision capabilities? etc, etc. This frees up space and weight off of your gun, so why wouldn't design move more towards comfort and ease-of-use?
Even though I can’t confirm this, I think the open trigger guard on the revolver is so you can slide your finger into firing position rapidly for something like a quick draw, and the fact that it happens to also be extremely unsafe is just very cyberpunk in general
The Overture (the revolver) has a partial trigger guard because it's made by Malorian Arms, who have a long history of designing guns specifically for people with Cyberarms.
I'm honestly surprised he didn't bring up the projected sights on the Kyubi, considering how often he mentioned it in the past, unless it wasn't mentioned that was the default, or he didn't notice, admittedly, there wasn't much aiming down the sights in the clip.
@@cdnxman1326Oh man I know! It's such a cool rifle now. That said I'm not using it very much on my new playthrough just cuz I'm going hard netrunner/knives combo.
When discussing the second gun (8-barrel volley gun) it's a shame you didn't mention Metal Storm, as they did something very similar with the changing of the barrels in order to reload. Powder and shot loaded in sequence, electronically fired, both personal armerments and vehicle mounted weaponry. It's an insanely cool developement that sadly went nowhere when the company bit the big one back in 2012.
Idk how you guys went over the Smart Shot Gun and not go over the Smart Functionality. The "Volley Gun" is pretty dope and would have loved to see Johnathan talk about how viable that certian section of Smart guns are viable/realistic
I love the idea of that disposable pistol. I guess the designers were thinking of the disposable Kodak camera. Even with the camera, it was well known that the last few shots on the roll are more likely to turn out bad or not come out at all.
Back to the volley gun, there are concepts from about ten years ago that had multiple rounds in two barrels or more that fired caseless cartridges in sequence (three or four stacked, front first obviously). Nifty gun but chunky in every respect.
Its mildly infuriating that the people recording the gameplay footage didn't even seem to realise that the l-69 zhuo is also a smart gun. Its actually one or the most interesting of all the smart guns in my opinion due to the slow travel time of the self guided bullets it shoots. PLEASE get a proper understanding of the weapons you're demonstrating this isnt the first time.
Great job GameSpot for using the game's photo mode to show give Jonathan a better look of the firearms. I must say, CDPR should be commended for creating great gun designs that even Jonathan appreciates, and the actual gunplay in the game is really good considering that it's the first time CDPR made a shooting game, and this is coming from a long-time R6 Siege player. I'd like to point out though, GameSpot, that the expansion is called Phantom Liberty, not Phantom City.
Modern volley gun? That metal storm 1 million RPM thingy from a few years ago might count but I've got no idea if they made those barrels fire simultaneously or not.
I like this new two-person format with the guy providing more context. It's fun seeing Jonathan appear to chat with the other guy, and I think that's a great addition to the format, it for sure elevates the whole thing.
Dave, yes @irregulardave, It's not Phantom "City", it's Phantom Liberty and the Slaught-O-Matic holds 36, not 32 rounds! Love this series, Jonathan is the UK's Ian McCollum, our very own British "Gun Jesus", just shorter beard and hair! Have you done anything on the guns of Bulletstorm or Syndicate (2012)? Personally, I love Cyberpunk 2077, awesome game. Phantom Liberty looks like it's going to breathe completely new life into the game, DLC actually worth getting these days as it changes and adds so much to the game, at a reasonable price, respect to CDPR!
I don't mind paying for Phantom Liberty. But is "respect to CDPR" really warranted? If I remember right, they said they'd do two expansions - both free. And they ended up just doing one - and charging for it. I can understand if people were a bit pissy at them.
@@SabiJDwe had no idea what form those announced DLCs would take though, phantom liberty is a colossal expansion in terms of how it overhauls the existing game as well as adding new content. I assume post investor meeting they just consolidated all of the stuff they worked on into Phantom Liberty. They delivered on the "free DLC" anyway, plenty of stuff added in the updates. CDPR referred to that stuff as "dlc" because it is in a literal sense. They never said they wouldn't add in larger paid content packs
I think it's a good idea to have Dave there to give some context on certain things or explain stuff about how something works in game. Keep up the good stuff.
The revolver shroud looks like it's taking after your average PPC revolver which uses massive bull barrels and barrel weights to allow for fast competition shooting with .38/.357 loads, etc. I have one, and it's a similarly beefy design. Quite common in that sport.
That's a massive amount of welding on the Kolac, and as both a shooter and a welder, that means that the metal is probably really thick. That gun must weigh quite a lot considering it's all metal, and has a seemingly massive amount of recoil anyway.
The point about accessories towards the end made me think that in a setting such as this, attachment accomodations might actually recede in some cases. For one, most of those tend to compensate in some way for human flaws and a weapon marketed towards a niche like corporate security where high degrees of body modification are expected to be commonplace might consider such "crutches" irrelevant, the consumer having no need for them. Additionally, in this corporate hellscape and with the futuristic mass-manufacture technologies there could have simply been a pivot away from allowing aftermarket customization in favor of just selling a pre-configured product every time someone needs something different. The manufacturers can probably afford to crank out fully built guns by the millions and would be happy to repeatedly sell people things that are 90% something they already have.
The first thing that came to mind when Johnathan mentioned that there aren't many rifle-caliber firearms that feed at an angle was the M249, which can use a standard M4 magazine in emergencies. I'm aware that wasn't how the weapon was intended to be used all of the time, but that was what came to mind.
I think a somewhat valid reason for using a revolver in The future is different load types, similar to the reason pump shotguns are still used in some capacity. There is a good scene in Ghost in the Shell where a character with a mateba fires off his rounds then reloads with two tracking rounds so that he can follow a car. In a future setting it’s cool to see different loads with special functionality.
I said it the last time they showed the Overture revolver, but I dont know if they ever saw the comment: The character is pressing a button on what would be the hammer when they reload it, implying its either not a hammer or serves dual purpose. Also the sheet metal rifle is canonically a Serbian AMR design and that just tickles me
22nd week pushing for a Darkwatch: Curse of the West, Resistance OR an E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy video! I will NOT give up! Please notice me Dave and Jonathan-senpai! P.s.: The weird machine pistol featured in the thumbnail and the Senkoh segment reminds me of the Quake 2 machinegun (the game calls it one, who am I to argue), which is relevant, considering the Q2 remaster just dropped.
I was hoping he'd get to see the Carnage shotgun, (unless I completely forgot he did in a previous video.) A 4-gauge, world-ending tube of hatred that is almost useless in the early hours until you buff up your Annihilation skill for quicker reloads. Then, when you want to lay waste to all which stands before you, go get "Guts," and be sure to save a round for Adam Smasher.
I'm surprised that he didn't mention that the indentation on the bolt of an AR-15 is also part of the dust cover system. There as a part on the back of the dust cover that when it is closed sits in the indentation of the bolt carrier and when the gun is fired pushes the dust cover open to eject the spent casing.
One thing not shown with the L-69 is that it's a smart gun. When you have the right cyberware it will lock onto a target, and you can even do indirect fire similar to a top-attack missile.
Always love to see the few polish designs we had in history, glad PM64 looks so fancy and it found some following. Never really thought about it but it really looks futuristic.
On the ZHUO Shotgun, I always thought its magazine worked similarly to how the Metal Storm MAUL shotgun from Australia worked (this shotgun was seen in COD Ghosts as the "Bulldog") , which used pre loaded chambers/barrels with multiple shots, that were electronically ignited.
I just know somewhere in the US at least one weapons manufacturer found out about those disposable guns and went like: "Hmmmm... How do we make it sound patriotic...?" 😃
Celebrate the 2A with even *more* capitalism... It's a shame it wasn't pointed out that those disposable machine pistols come out of a vending machine, like any snacks and drinks.
Maybe it is because I have not played the game since my playthrough on release or due to me just missing them but a lot of these guns I have actually never seen.
Several of these guns were introduced with the Patch 1.6 upgrade, so you wouldn't have seen them in the early game releases. Sounds like you need to play the game again
i don't get burst fire i mean its nice cuz of controlled recoil and all but i'd rather have a gun that shoots three bullets at once instead and call that a burst mode
As for the way the guns look, specifically that HMG, it’s literally just personalisation since everything in CP77 universe is heavily focused on personal customisation. But on a note i kinda see that HMG as being like CP77’s version of Beverly Hills Cop 3’s Annihilator 2000 that Serge sells
Interesting that the Kyubi assault rifle has an AR-15 charging handle that then does not get used. The character grabs a folding charging handle on the left side of the gun.
I'm actually somewhat surprised nothing was said about the MA70 and the odd placement of it's trigger group, which is quite similar to the Inkunzi PAW 20mm grenade launcher. I'm assuming that specific weapon was taken as inspiration for the trigger being as it is, it's incredibly uncommon, to the point that I legitimately don't recall ever seeing it anywhere but that one specific grenade launcher..
Smart weapons in Cyberpunk, like the "Volley gun" shotgun, are actually super smart Gyrojet bullets, which is certainly an interesting idea for a volley gun!
1:42 that shotgun is like the metal storm system built into a hand held firearm. multiple barrels with electronically ignited, superimposed projectiles
All of these Power / Smart guns are fun to use, but let's be real. At the end of the day, you return to your Tech guns and shoot these gonks through walls like a true Solo... :D
The cut trigger guard is a throwback to the early days of concealed carry when they would cut out the trigger guard for draw and concealability reasons, they also thought it made you quicker onto trigger. There are some Forgotten Weapon videos that showcase this.
I strongly suspect that the idea of the guns not having as many attachment points is that, quite simply, they are in the *user* now. Low light/thermals? Optics upgrade. Targeting? Smart link and optics. Recoil control? Cyber arms. IIRC there was an option in the early rules (haven't played in decades) to add a smart link to the gun which would relay a view from the muzzle to the users eye, much like IHADS but with the monocle built in to the person.
Feel like the "superposed" shotgun is likely a nod to the Metal Storm weapons. It even looks like it makes use of electricity to activate the bullets, and the bullet velocity also seems a little slower, kind of like the 3 shot-single-barreled grenade launcher Metal Storm produced.
Given that the first rule of cyberpunk is “style over substance”, I can’t think of anything more cyberpunk than a revolver that sacrifices safety to look cool
It's probably intentional for the people who have huge hands
the first rule of cyberpunk is high tech low life, style over substance is more reminiscent of kitsch/neokitsch which are two of the four prominent styles in night city
@@PROJEKT_R3DNot big hands but mechanical hands, like gorilla arms. Weapons manufactured by Malorian in-game regularly have ridiculously high calibers, normal nonaugmented people aren't Malorian's target audience.
@@INeedToSeeYourBalls1945 that, was my point. Anyone who played the game woulda got my point. I'm simply saying big hands for the people who aren't as "invested" as you
@@MexxProtectno like the rule of living in night city is style of substance like it's the first rule when rolling up an edgerunner
The Senkoh LX was created by Arasaka in collaboration with the luxury clothing brand Jinguji, that's why it has leather with letters on it
so it very literally is the in game equal to a Gucci gun.
The fire modes seem to be designed for ease of use, just what one would expect for a luxury PDW aimed at convenience with a ton of complex features
Now that I see it from the side, that looks hazardous to use. Front "grip" is flush with the muzzle and there is no thumb hole. I guess the potential purchasers of this gun wouldn't care if they have to buy a new finger or two
@@miikhei i see it as a battery, since it is a tech weapon in-game, meaning that it can be charged to fire more powerful shots
@@miikhei also I suspect in setting this is the kind of gun a person has but rarely uses, Because they can afford some hired muscle to shoot problems for them. If they are pulling out the bang bang bling it means someone fracked up.
For the volley gun I'm assuming the devs were at least partially referencing the MetalStorm weapon concept, which is fairly recent.
It's a lot like the typhoon from Crysis 3 which they did a little while back, which has a similar "shotgun" mode.
It's actually a smart gun. They fire rocket propelled missiles.
@@John.F_Kennedyyes, but in the MetalStorm way.
its a metal storm system for each barrel AND the projectiles are GUIDED.
there was an under barrel shotgun system that was proposed for the US Military as well that would have used stacked rounds like that.
The funny thing is that the Slaught-O-Matic would be something in the original tabletop game. Within that context, you might end up in a situation where you need a disposable weapon. Edgerunners will spring for more expensive and reliable guns under ideal circumstances. It's wacky, largely impractical, but thematically appropriate for the setting.
Isn't there also a possibility of the Slaught-O-Matic exploding in the RPG?
@@HATECELL Maybe it is, I don't have a copy of Cyberpunk Red and I don't recall seeing anything about disposable guns in my 2020 core rulebook. If anyone can confirm whether the rules for those guns exist, please do so.
It also helps control loot inflation. You can give mooks a firearm sufficient for an encounter without giving your heroes a huge arsenal for use or sale later down the track.
iirc in one of Gibson's short stories, the protag rents a cheap pistol from a back alley stand. A disposable gun is probably something you'd see after that business model failed because runners would die before being able to pay the overage fees if they had the gun for more than 20 minutes. Yes, bullets cost extra.
I imagine the Slaught-O-Magic was really just meant for situations where you’re caught without a piece and need something to defend yourself. Afterall, even smth like a 22. Would help in a mugging situation. A full auto (assumedly) 9mm in a world where getting caught in shootouts is common is probably extremely useful. Even if it has a tendency to explode.
I love the idea of a disposable machine pistol that you buy from a vending machine.
In the grand scheme of weapons, it's pretty much useless, but I'm glad it exists in the game that you can use
Yup, is interesting, someone here on TH-cam did a playthrough with only disposable guns. It got painful to watch, partially.
But realistically, even in the game, nobody uses those guns. At least not the NPCs.
It's useless to *you* because it's not marketed to people who actually use weapons on a regular basis. They're meant to be bought by kids/teenagers, or someone who needs a functional firearm on short notice but not so urgently that they don't have time to buy one from a vending machine.
@@sim.frischh9781 I mean, lore wise I can almost guarantee some one bought one to shoot their dealer or boss or something, but game play wise I agree.
@@AGrumpyPanda Yep, sounds like a Hi-Point
Was about to say that. Kinda fits the entire theme of Cyberpunk... A modern era where humen life is disposeable almost as this guy makes sense having something like this. It's almost as if nothing is illegal in Cyberpunk universe anyway, so having something like this is just both hilarious and makes sense.
3:30 The l-69 ZHUO shotgun fires homing gyrojet (if you install interface plugin into your hand), actuated by electric trigger, so them being stacked in the chamber makes sense since the trigering charge can be delivered to each gyrojet separately.
10:40 not the first time the concept is executed in a videogame - Borderlands 2 Tediore guns are so cheap, you don't "buy the gun", you buy "life time subscription to a supply of guns", and they have no detachable magazine, so when you press reload, the gun is tossed away with the leftover ammunition exploding in the enemy's faces (or some more exotic function in case of the legendaries, like flying around you and shoting enemies), and a new gun is digistructed (reconstituted from surrounding material) right into your hands.
Feel like micro missiles fit better than gyrojets. To be fair the info on it is all over the place and the game claims they are bullets which they are not, but just about every other smart gun fires micro missiles. Besides they have a fair amount of kick and they definitely don't fly straight which defeats the point of gyro jet rounds.
Drop Guns As A Service (DGAAS) sounds like it should fit right in with our subscription-based reality.
Would’ve be worthwhile having Johnathan see that the “volley gun” was actually a smart shotgun, so all the projectiles seek their targets behind cover n such.
I really don't like that the guys showing Jonathan the gameplay
often aren't terribly competent in the game.
Leading to a lot of missed opportunities and oversight
Also double barrel shotguns that can fire both barrels at the same time are "volley guns". Isn't this guy supposed to be an expert not a dunce?
@@thomgizzizWhat? Double barrel shotguns are not volley guns at all
@@bruhtholemew Why aren't they? If they can fire both rounds at the same time that makes it a volley... I know it feels like it shouldn't be but by definition it is.
@@thomgizziz-- Volley guns can *only* fire all barrels. Double barrel shotguns are more like two guns which can be fired together. Or a double trigger gun with an awkward volley fire mode.
5:23 - The 1917 Burton Light Machine Rifle is an example of a diagonal located magazine! TWO in fact! and the FN Minimi's alternate feed system takes magazines on an angle as well.
I could have sworn there was a modern assault rifle that takes it's magazine from underneath but at a slight angle. Can't remember what it is tho
@@rubberwoody AN-94
@@MacCoalieCoalsonyes there we go took the words out of my mouth
@@rubberwoodyI think the Aug is canted mag
@@rubberwoodyyou thinking of the an-94 ?
For Jonathan's reference there are indeed a few guns with magazines that feed at angle. A popular example would be the Nikonov AN-94, but another interesting example would be the FAD (Fusil Automatico Doble, I think it stands for), a bullpup assault rifle made in Peru that briefly made appearance in Call of Duty MW3. It uses a STANAG magazine that feeds from the left side at an angle, not unlike the SOR-22 Precision Rifle.
Doesn't the M249 have some bolt on parts to allow for STANAG mag feed as well? They mount at an angle, but it's also not a reliable system so Jonathon's point about feed angles stands
@@stephen9894M249 SAW
@nomad_boreal the canted magazine's point in AN-94 is rather straightforward, it is to leave space for a pull. It would be either that or concocting an S-shaped pull like Garand.
In the MCU (Civil War, Infinity War, and Engame), the Winter Soldier had an M249 Paratrooper with a 100-rd quad stack casket mag instead of a standard box mag.
For the record, I just had to look all of that up. I think I remember reading that it originally belonged to Black Widow, which just raises further questions.
Given what I've seen of the Cyberpunk world, I can only guess that the Triggerguard in the overture revolver being cut might have something to do with cyberarms. since some people tend to straight up turn themselves into giants with cybernetics it might be to also allow their fingers to fit in and pull the trigger.
and don't the animals gang typically use these
Yeah. The different-colored part at the bottom even looks like it could be removed or pivoted out of the way, to make it even more open.
Or, perhaps replaced with a fully enclosed piece, if you've got normal hands.
Yeah like Adam Smasher or the Animals
literally called "gorilla arms"
@@scottdevnull5778You're absolutely right! There's a lot more Overtures being carried by animals than by any other gang... at least in my experience.
Watching Jonathan review videogame firearms is the closest thing I've got to Saturday morning cartoons as a 32 year-old child
Can’t wait for the phantom city expansion for night liberty!
It's gonna be incredible!
3:00 It's even more than that. It's a smart gun that fires guided micro rockets, on top of everything else.
Yeah, I don't get why they didn't show that.
6:40 The sight is actually a screen attached to the carrying handle! If you look closer it's not just a hollow tube in the handle, that'd make it super fragile tbh.
How about the guns of Cruelty Squad? Yes, the game itself is an assault on the senses, but the guns are pretty cool.
I would pay money to watch Jonathan have to delve into the murky muck of Cruelty Squad.
most guns in cruelty Squad are actually prototypes of already existing guns.
would love to hear his thoughts on them
With the new dlc releasing soon, I'd love to see some more Cyberpunk guns covered.
They'll almost certainly cover the new guns when it comes out.
YES
Man Can't believe Jonathan didn't mention the disappearing speed loader in the revolver section or the spent case staying in the chamber in the Kolac bit.
I'm a little surprised they didn't go with an _en bloc_ loading system like the revolvers in _Destiny,_ where the "cylinder" is really just a housing to hold one giant cartridge with six rounds in it. That would be silly and wasteful in the real world, but it would make sense in the setting and simplify the reload animation a bunch (which I assume is why they did it that way in _Destiny_ in the first place).
In honour of Phantom City, trying to make Johnathan into a phantom.
RE: Jonathan's point of firearms design increasingly adopting handguards with space for stuff on them.
Consider that Cyberpunk has you use your own body for a lot of that stuff. Why bother with a laser designator on your rifle when you have one in your eye? Why bother with a flashlight when you have built-in nightvision capabilities? etc, etc. This frees up space and weight off of your gun, so why wouldn't design move more towards comfort and ease-of-use?
Even though I can’t confirm this, I think the open trigger guard on the revolver is so you can slide your finger into firing position rapidly for something like a quick draw, and the fact that it happens to also be extremely unsafe is just very cyberpunk in general
The Overture (the revolver) has a partial trigger guard because it's made by Malorian Arms, who have a long history of designing guns specifically for people with Cyberarms.
The little back and forths between Dave and Jonathan really add something. Started becoming more common a couple of months ago and i approve.
PLEASE REVIEW THE GUNS FROM PERFECT DARK!! ESPECIALLY THE LAPTOP GUN AND OTHER WEIRD ALIEN ONES.
Seconded, thirded even!
@@JimboMcBrostein Yeah, fourthed? (is that even a word?) :D
Day 80 of asking for Holdfast: Nations At War!!
Third year of asking for Enter the Gungeon.
7:15 The Kolac Precision Rifle seems to be based on GM6 Lynx Hungarian.50 Cal, long recoil operated bullpup
thats what im sayin bro, reciprocating barrel and everything
I'm honestly surprised he didn't bring up the projected sights on the Kyubi, considering how often he mentioned it in the past, unless it wasn't mentioned that was the default, or he didn't notice, admittedly, there wasn't much aiming down the sights in the clip.
If you could put legit sights on the Kyubi (and if I could ever find a Legendary one) it would be my No. 1 rifle.
@scottwatrous 2.0 agrees with you, since it seems to be the case
@@cdnxman1326Oh man I know! It's such a cool rifle now. That said I'm not using it very much on my new playthrough just cuz I'm going hard netrunner/knives combo.
@scottwatrous and now there is an iconic version, that seems powerful
I haven’t watched in awhile but I’m very happy to see this series and Johnathan are still going strong.
When discussing the second gun (8-barrel volley gun) it's a shame you didn't mention Metal Storm, as they did something very similar with the changing of the barrels in order to reload. Powder and shot loaded in sequence, electronically fired, both personal armerments and vehicle mounted weaponry. It's an insanely cool developement that sadly went nowhere when the company bit the big one back in 2012.
Idk how you guys went over the Smart Shot Gun and not go over the Smart Functionality. The "Volley Gun" is pretty dope and would have loved to see Johnathan talk about how viable that certian section of Smart guns are viable/realistic
There are so many cool firearms in Cyberpunk, can’t wait to see what they’ll add in the DLC.
I love the idea of that disposable pistol. I guess the designers were thinking of the disposable Kodak camera. Even with the camera, it was well known that the last few shots on the roll are more likely to turn out bad or not come out at all.
Back to the volley gun, there are concepts from about ten years ago that had multiple rounds in two barrels or more that fired caseless cartridges in sequence (three or four stacked, front first obviously). Nifty gun but chunky in every respect.
Its mildly infuriating that the people recording the gameplay footage didn't even seem to realise that the l-69 zhuo is also a smart gun. Its actually one or the most interesting of all the smart guns in my opinion due to the slow travel time of the self guided bullets it shoots. PLEASE get a proper understanding of the weapons you're demonstrating this isnt the first time.
It's a freaking video game get over yourself
Yes bobby very good. It IS a video game how very astute of you. Your one brain cell must be working overtime.
Great job GameSpot for using the game's photo mode to show give Jonathan a better look of the firearms. I must say, CDPR should be commended for creating great gun designs that even Jonathan appreciates, and the actual gunplay in the game is really good considering that it's the first time CDPR made a shooting game, and this is coming from a long-time R6 Siege player.
I'd like to point out though, GameSpot, that the expansion is called Phantom Liberty, not Phantom City.
AN94 has a canted magazine feed too account for the pulley system. Not nearly as much of an angle tho
Modern volley gun? That metal storm 1 million RPM thingy from a few years ago might count but I've got no idea if they made those barrels fire simultaneously or not.
Those fired sequentially in rows or columns, high ROF, but not simultaneous in "one shot" sense, IIRC?
I do kinda wish they made the revolver shoot at 6 o’clock like a Rhino or Mateba, that’s… _so_ eighties.
I like this new two-person format with the guy providing more context. It's fun seeing Jonathan appear to chat with the other guy, and I think that's a great addition to the format, it for sure elevates the whole thing.
Dave, yes @irregulardave, It's not Phantom "City", it's Phantom Liberty and the Slaught-O-Matic holds 36, not 32 rounds!
Love this series, Jonathan is the UK's Ian McCollum, our very own British "Gun Jesus", just shorter beard and hair!
Have you done anything on the guns of Bulletstorm or Syndicate (2012)?
Personally, I love Cyberpunk 2077, awesome game. Phantom Liberty looks like it's going to breathe completely new life into the game, DLC actually worth getting these days as it changes and adds so much to the game, at a reasonable price, respect to CDPR!
I don't mind paying for Phantom Liberty. But is "respect to CDPR" really warranted? If I remember right, they said they'd do two expansions - both free.
And they ended up just doing one - and charging for it.
I can understand if people were a bit pissy at them.
@@SabiJDwe had no idea what form those announced DLCs would take though, phantom liberty is a colossal expansion in terms of how it overhauls the existing game as well as adding new content.
I assume post investor meeting they just consolidated all of the stuff they worked on into Phantom Liberty.
They delivered on the "free DLC" anyway, plenty of stuff added in the updates. CDPR referred to that stuff as "dlc" because it is in a literal sense. They never said they wouldn't add in larger paid content packs
I think it's a good idea to have Dave there to give some context on certain things or explain stuff about how something works in game. Keep up the good stuff.
"I went with this because it's rare and I like to show off cool stuff we have" this is why he's the best.
Great episode! Is it me though, or does this not look like a cyberpunk setting at all, but just some desert somewhere? ':D
"Phantom City DLC" glad GameSport knows what's up.
Love that he could tell that that the Senkoh was from the in universe equivalent of Gucci.
The revolver shroud looks like it's taking after your average PPC revolver which uses massive bull barrels and barrel weights to allow for fast competition shooting with .38/.357 loads, etc. I have one, and it's a similarly beefy design. Quite common in that sport.
That's a massive amount of welding on the Kolac, and as both a shooter and a welder, that means that the metal is probably really thick. That gun must weigh quite a lot considering it's all metal, and has a seemingly massive amount of recoil anyway.
The point about accessories towards the end made me think that in a setting such as this, attachment accomodations might actually recede in some cases.
For one, most of those tend to compensate in some way for human flaws and a weapon marketed towards a niche like corporate security where high degrees of body modification are expected to be commonplace might consider such "crutches" irrelevant, the consumer having no need for them.
Additionally, in this corporate hellscape and with the futuristic mass-manufacture technologies there could have simply been a pivot away from allowing aftermarket customization in favor of just selling a pre-configured product every time someone needs something different. The manufacturers can probably afford to crank out fully built guns by the millions and would be happy to repeatedly sell people things that are 90% something they already have.
It's a good day when we get more Jonathan
The first thing that came to mind when Johnathan mentioned that there aren't many rifle-caliber firearms that feed at an angle was the M249, which can use a standard M4 magazine in emergencies. I'm aware that wasn't how the weapon was intended to be used all of the time, but that was what came to mind.
5:29
My only thought was the M249 when using AR-15 magazines to feed it instead of belts.
"phantom city dlc" WRONG FACTUALLY INCORRECT WRONG!!!!!! *INCREDIBLY LOUD BUZZER NOISE* ITS PHANTOM LIBERTY!!!!!!!!!
I think a somewhat valid reason for using a revolver in The future is different load types, similar to the reason pump shotguns are still used in some capacity. There is a good scene in Ghost in the Shell where a character with a mateba fires off his rounds then reloads with two tracking rounds so that he can follow a car. In a future setting it’s cool to see different loads with special functionality.
I said it the last time they showed the Overture revolver, but I dont know if they ever saw the comment: The character is pressing a button on what would be the hammer when they reload it, implying its either not a hammer or serves dual purpose. Also the sheet metal rifle is canonically a Serbian AMR design and that just tickles me
22nd week pushing for a Darkwatch: Curse of the West, Resistance OR an E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy video! I will NOT give up! Please notice me Dave and Jonathan-senpai!
P.s.: The weird machine pistol featured in the thumbnail and the Senkoh segment reminds me of the Quake 2 machinegun (the game calls it one, who am I to argue), which is relevant, considering the Q2 remaster just dropped.
I was hoping he'd get to see the Carnage shotgun, (unless I completely forgot he did in a previous video.)
A 4-gauge, world-ending tube of hatred that is almost useless in the early hours until you buff up your Annihilation skill for quicker reloads.
Then, when you want to lay waste to all which stands before you, go get "Guts," and be sure to save a round for Adam Smasher.
I'm surprised that he didn't mention that the indentation on the bolt of an AR-15 is also part of the dust cover system. There as a part on the back of the dust cover that when it is closed sits in the indentation of the bolt carrier and when the gun is fired pushes the dust cover open to eject the spent casing.
Phantom city dlc really? Come on guys
Not really related but, I'm really happy with CDPR's dev's hard work fixing their higherups and shareholder's greedy mistakes
10:00 in this world you can buy firearms from sidewalk vending machines. The warning logos are probably government mandated, like food packaging.
One thing not shown with the L-69 is that it's a smart gun. When you have the right cyberware it will lock onto a target, and you can even do indirect fire similar to a top-attack missile.
The idea of Cyberpunk is definitely more like a stylized future they would have imagined in the 80s and 90s instead of a realistic future.
Always love to see the few polish designs we had in history, glad PM64 looks so fancy and it found some following. Never really thought about it but it really looks futuristic.
Ya'll failed to relay to Jonathan that the projectiles of the Smart Shotgun are actually guided micro missiles, that's why it's a "smart" weapon.
Phantom City? Is it called that yeah?
Are the enemies in this game really such bullet sponges or is he playing on a harder difficulty?
At the last gun, I expected Jonathan to mention the Mk47 Mutant.
The Zhou shotgun looks a lot like the metal storm. That electrical fire support weapon?
I hope you pay this man well for being your sole content provider
So that shotgun is basically a volley gun with metalstorm-like barrel loads?
The look of slaugh-o-matic always reminds me of a cheap power tool that you can sometimes find in the middle aisle of your local Lidl
"Phantom City" gosh another gamer journalist who doesn't have a clue what he is talkin about
At this point whenever I see anything interesting on a gun in a game I wonder what Jonathan would think about it. I'm often wrong B)
Really wish we could've gotten more smart weapons, they're by far the most interesting weapons in the game design wise.
On the ZHUO Shotgun, I always thought its magazine worked similarly to how the Metal Storm MAUL shotgun from Australia worked (this shotgun was seen in COD Ghosts as the "Bulldog") , which used pre loaded chambers/barrels with multiple shots, that were electronically ignited.
@4:10 I may be wrong but I think it's STG-52 and not STG-54. ;)
11:37 lets not forget about the quality products at high point, making the best pistols money can afford
Pushing as always for you guys to have Johnathan cover Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and to cover the M8 and MRI Caseless specifically as well.
I see the RAK, I click. What can I say? I'm Polish, a simple creature.
Day 1 of asking for F.E.A.R Franchise’s guns.
Arasaka Tower will explode tomorrow with a nuclear bomb
Time to party like it's 2023!
I just know somewhere in the US at least one weapons manufacturer found out about those disposable guns and went like: "Hmmmm... How do we make it sound patriotic...?" 😃
Celebrate the 2A with even *more* capitalism...
It's a shame it wasn't pointed out that those disposable machine pistols come out of a vending machine, like any snacks and drinks.
You mean keltec?
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Whoaaaa! Good one! 🤣
Maybe it is because I have not played the game since my playthrough on release or due to me just missing them but a lot of these guns I have actually never seen.
Several of these guns were introduced with the Patch 1.6 upgrade, so you wouldn't have seen them in the early game releases. Sounds like you need to play the game again
@@r1pbuck Maybe not with three giant games taking up my time but I am looking forward to playing the expansion for sure.
My favourite warning label is "will fire if spun manually" on a plane mounted gatling gun
When does the phantom city dlc come out? Sometime after Phantom Liberty?
i don't get burst fire i mean its nice cuz of controlled recoil and all but i'd rather have a gun that shoots three bullets at once instead and call that a burst mode
As for the way the guns look, specifically that HMG, it’s literally just personalisation since everything in CP77 universe is heavily focused on personal customisation. But on a note i kinda see that HMG as being like CP77’s version of Beverly Hills Cop 3’s Annihilator 2000 that Serge sells
Day 3 of requesting Jonathan reacts to the firearms of the Killzone series
Interesting that the Kyubi assault rifle has an AR-15 charging handle that then does not get used. The character grabs a folding charging handle on the left side of the gun.
I'm actually somewhat surprised nothing was said about the MA70 and the odd placement of it's trigger group, which is quite similar to the Inkunzi PAW 20mm grenade launcher. I'm assuming that specific weapon was taken as inspiration for the trigger being as it is, it's incredibly uncommon, to the point that I legitimately don't recall ever seeing it anywhere but that one specific grenade launcher..
Smart weapons in Cyberpunk, like the "Volley gun" shotgun, are actually super smart Gyrojet bullets, which is certainly an interesting idea for a volley gun!
So, it's a Volley Gun, Mittrelieuse (I think that's the spelling), Metal Storm, Gyrojet mashup.
Wow, they certainly didn't hold back 😅
Smart guns do not have slugs. They fire small missiles.
17:12 could that be almost like a mk47 mutant? The magazine is a bit too curved but the other features kinda check out
1:42 that shotgun is like the metal storm system built into a hand held firearm. multiple barrels with electronically ignited, superimposed projectiles
All of these Power / Smart guns are fun to use, but let's be real. At the end of the day, you return to your Tech guns and shoot these gonks through walls like a true Solo... :D
I have to admit that Tech guns are my favourites in the game, esp. when I find one with a sub-one second charge time. They are out there!
dang can't wait for the "Phantom City" DLC.
The cut trigger guard is a throwback to the early days of concealed carry when they would cut out the trigger guard for draw and concealability reasons, they also thought it made you quicker onto trigger. There are some Forgotten Weapon videos that showcase this.
I strongly suspect that the idea of the guns not having as many attachment points is that, quite simply, they are in the *user* now. Low light/thermals? Optics upgrade. Targeting? Smart link and optics. Recoil control? Cyber arms. IIRC there was an option in the early rules (haven't played in decades) to add a smart link to the gun which would relay a view from the muzzle to the users eye, much like IHADS but with the monocle built in to the person.
Are these new guns? This is the first entry in this Cyberpunk series that I don't recognize more of the guns!
Several were introduced with the Netrunners Patch 1.6.
Feel like the "superposed" shotgun is likely a nod to the Metal Storm weapons.
It even looks like it makes use of electricity to activate the bullets, and the bullet velocity also seems a little slower, kind of like the 3 shot-single-barreled grenade launcher Metal Storm produced.
average phantom city dlc enjoyer