I’m a disabled 20 year retired veteran and I can say after reconstructive knee surgery the ultrashift is much better for my left knee. I can float gears with the best of em, but you gotta come to a stop at some point.
Another thing to everyone who sees your videos, I recognize you are not the typical salesman. Whether it was Tim Ghorley or others, everyone highly recommends you and your finished products. The service and ability to be reached after the sale must be second to none. The thought put into what you sell, from extra insulation for extreme temps, to arctic wrapped fuel lines and problem free Davco fuel filters speaks volumes. Long story short, you know your shit and must be good to deal with. That's not common in today's world. It seems once the taillights disappear, that's the end usually. Oh, and crankin' out bitchin' trucks doesn't hurt either. Kudos to you and your men who work for/with you.
Steve is right. He gets feedback from 100's of direct customers. Taking your mind of of one thing like knowing which gear your in our shifting up or shifting down or pushing in the clutch or letting the clutch out. Man this is a big weight off your mind. Concentrating on traffic is number one.
If I was to ever buy another truck it would be the 18 speed automatic 👍🏻 my knee is sore from years of clutching and the automatic is probably more efficient these days, thank you for showing us this beautiful truck 😎
I am a new truck driver and my knee was bugging me just from a couple weeks of double clutching I was happy to find out that most of the trucks in our automatics
I can appreciate and understand why people choose manual or automatic transmissions. Everyone has a reason for liking what they like. Doesn’t matter what transmission you have, if you have a sleeper or a day cab, ant eater front end or square, drive a kenny or a pete. We’re all out there with a love for the road and the satisfaction of backing into a tight spot. Drive safe, give a wave, blow the horn for the arm pump, and never stop hauling.
I was a die hard manual transmission man. Until I actually started driving and owning trucks with an automated transmission. I love it!!! Love you videos Steve. I’m planning to come talk to you in the next few years when I’m ready for a new truck or maybe two. 👍
I’ve been in a 10 speed automatic now for just about three years, pulling tankers through the Sierras and the Cascades. My only gripe is when I get to a customer on rough ground, I have trouble with traction. I would buy one of these in a heartbeat if it wasn’t for my application being in agriculture and feeling like I would get stuck. I am very glad that these automatics are coming to main stream, they are remarkable when ran correctly and given a chance
If a automated manual is your thing that’s fine. However, if they’re going to do that they might as well put the gear selector on the turn signal arm like on the 579. Just do away with the pedestal in the floor all together.
Beautiful truck, even if it is automated 😂. Be nice if they used a different method than that “tower” for the trans. If you’re not going to have the stick, at least have the room.
Peterbilt Steve like a ride and drive something in depth, there isn’t much out there on the Internet about them, especially in the high horsepower trucks
Beautiful truck. Great video. Keep hearing and listening to that call of the wild to go back out over the road. Been to the Kenworth dealer. Next stop, the Pete dealer.
Steve, I think this looks fantastic! This will be my truck when I come see you for my build! I will get the 18 speed manual, but other than that...You knocked it out of the park with this build!
i'm glad that the new stylee in white led clearance lights... that amber thing for thr last 60 +years played havoc with most color combos in the paint jobs...
Steve I worked 30 years for Iowa DOT on highway maintenance and in that 30 years I drove many trucks which where anything from a five and four , ten speed, thirteen, eight speed and four and six speed automatic and my last truck was a 10 speed auto shift which was by far the best transmission/truck I ever ran. It was programmed just right and worked beautiful for all task including plowing and ice blading snow! If I ever bought a truck for hauling short distance/local it would be the Ten auto shift and 18 speed auto shift over the road. Tell your customers to drive one before giving up on a Auto Shift !
Thank you for the great input. I still sell 90-1 manual to automated but the auto customer is out there. Notice how all the manual guys say they would NEVER drive an automated but you never see an automated owner talk trash on a manual? Cultural differences I guess....
Oh dang I never seen that automated tower before. Looks interesting, like something out of a jet cockpit. Pretty cool forsure. Something for everyone right.
If you played baseball, your batting average would be through the roof! You continue to knock them out of the park. As far as the automated 18 goes, some like them and have a reasoning for them (as you said), some don't. While not my cup of tea so to speak, I truly understand the need and desire. Regardless, it's still a beautiful flippin' truck! People need to realize that. Keep on keepin' on Steve. With all that said, I do have to say that I do really miss the intro from your older videos though. Great content!
Nice truck I would have it. The last auto box I drove was a Scania v8 topline around 2000 in Europe and if the shift is as good as that was I would jump at that box in a heartbeat. That Scania shifted like a private car and also had the retarder on the gbox.ive lived in Calgary Canada since 2004.
Beautiful truck but I've always wondered something. If someone wanted to have the ultrashift in a 389 but not the Johnson bar, would it be possible to put the gear selector on the column with the steering wheel (like on the 567)?
Excellent question, currently no. Mechanically would it work? Absolutely, engineering has not made any attempt (as far as I know) to put that option on the table.
This is a super car!!!I work as a trucker and shoot videos about my work to earn money for such a truck.We have very few American trucks in Russia,especially in good condition.But I'll buy one someday
Very Very clean PETERBILT. The Color is awesome. Do build C-Class Tow Trucks looking to build another (Rotator) last one built was from Miller Industry out of Chattanooga, Tennessee. Back in 2018. Thanks
I started on a manual transmission and then got an automatic. Once you get down the order of operation for it you can make it boogie. I thought it was simpler and safer.
What ever happened to installing the light panel that attaches behind the front fender on the hood? I used to see them a lot as a kid, but have not seen them on many trucks lately. This truck is beautiful, I just had a thought.
Steve do you have any data or reliable feed back that suggests that a 567 with 565/2050/18 speed does any better on fuel than a 389 equipped the same way?
I don't know how long this Coronavirus thing will last, but DOT just suspended the hour limits for truckers, Maybe the EPA should suspend the emission requirements on trucks so they're more reliable and the truck builders should put out some less expensive no frills rigs, so more people could get on the road and get the job done, cause chrome don't get ya home. Just saying.
Steve, I couldn't agree with you more on the ultra shift. The first auto I drove (2010 model) I was one of those "This is a girls truck" guys. Didn't like it at first. But I tell you what, after about six months I got to liking if quite a bit. In stop and go traffic they are great. Subsequent models the shifting got MUCH improved. I agree with what you said. Just let it go guys. To each their own.
It's kind of hard to say because how you drive the manual makes a very big difference. The automated will shift consistently for fuel millage. If your careful shifting the manual there pretty close if you feel the need to rap it out to 2100 RPM before you shift and floor it coming up to a long climb the automated will eat your lunch.
Have to ask how do you guys measure the wheelbase on the trucks? I live in Norway and here it's measured from the center of the front wheel too the center of the middle aksel
I know people give you shit about these automatics. But coming from a guy has been shifting 19 years when I'm at a place where I can spend that kinda money on my dream rig I'm probably not going to miss that metal rod protruding through the floor board. It won't make me less of a super trucker or your build less of a super truck.
What confuses me is trucklines claim the new automatics get them better fuel economy for the whole fleet but when you buy a car they tell you to go standard shift if you want maximum fuel economy
I think with the advancements in automatic transmission today a manual can't compete. In these big trucks it's still a manual transmission it just has a computer telling a box on the transmission what gear to go in.
Modern automatic transmissions what ever type is so fast now that its almost impossible to beat them with a manual unless you're some kind of shifting god. Less power interruption means more power to the ground and less throttle input to make up for the potential loss of drive during a shift with a manual.
Excellent question. In a big truck a manual will always get better fuel economy but you need a well skilled veteran operator to make it happen. If you dont have that, and most all mega fleets dont, the auto is their saving grace. In a street car the horsepower that the automatic transmission needs burns fuel, a manual in that situation is very forgiving even with a sub-par operator so thus better fuel economy.
I have the 13 speed automatic. The only problem is the tower is in the middle of the floor. Why Peterbilt doesn't place the auto shift on the steering column I don't know.
I got into it on a Facebook group, because it such a discussion on who is a "real" trucker driver if the drive a manual versus an automatic. I just don't know what the big idea is. Aren't we all truckers? Just drive what you feel comfortable with period.
I just Peterbilt would stop using that hideous selector tower on the 389. The 579 and 567 have a selector on the shifter column which opens up that floor space. I guess I would think that Peterbilt would improve their flagship model with something better looking.
Put my name on it, she is a beauty Steve. It would look good in the grain line at the elevator. I don't know what I would do without a clutch. Now, just get corn and soy prices out of the pits and into the money so we can do it. :)
Thank you for another great video and for mentioning the rear gear set. I have a question for you that no one seems to want to answer. With a rear gear of 3:25 like you said and and 18 speed with a last ratio of .72 or .73 probably, does that make the over all final ratio approximately 2.25?
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I’m a disabled 20 year retired veteran and I can say after reconstructive knee surgery the ultrashift is much better for my left knee. I can float gears with the best of em, but you gotta come to a stop at some point.
thank you for your service
@@Tayman-1771 you’re most welcome.
I agree
Thank you for your service !
Thank you for your service now as well! Trucking is a service and if no one did it we would be hunter gathering real fast lol
In a 3 plus hour traffic jam the automated trans is a great option
yep
Go around
@@mojotrinity4927 lol you can't be serious
exclaimed the princess!
It’s all personal preference.
Some days, that automatic pays for itself
I love love love how peterbilt kept their old school design on new trucks 😎 certain things may be different but over all resemble
First auto I drove till now I fell in love....dont knock it till you drive one...
Yeah it's definitely less stressful but don't tell everyone lol 💪
Another thing to everyone who sees your videos, I recognize you are not the typical salesman. Whether it was Tim Ghorley or others, everyone highly recommends you and your finished products. The service and ability to be reached after the sale must be second to none. The thought put into what you sell, from extra insulation for extreme temps, to arctic wrapped fuel lines and problem free Davco fuel filters speaks volumes. Long story short, you know your shit and must be good to deal with. That's not common in today's world. It seems once the taillights disappear, that's the end usually. Oh, and crankin' out bitchin' trucks doesn't hurt either. Kudos to you and your men who work for/with you.
Thanks KW kind words and very appreciated. I love what I do
And it shows Steve!
The keyboard cowbows, just let it go!!!! That's hilarious!!! Still another good lookin truck mr. Steve.
Thanks buddy
Steve is right. He gets feedback from 100's of direct customers. Taking your mind of of one thing like knowing which gear your in our shifting up or shifting down or pushing in the clutch or letting the clutch out. Man this is a big weight off your mind. Concentrating on traffic is number one.
Hey try drinking coffee with that Manuel!!!! Plus you can save a knee replacement and focus on driving alittle more!!!!
It's not my cup of tea, I love the 13 speed, but I have a friend whos been doin this for 30 years, and he loves his automatic cup of tea. :)
And another thing, I would bet that an automatic that didnt have all the big fleet restrictions on it, probably works pretty well
If I was to ever buy another truck it would be the 18 speed automatic 👍🏻 my knee is sore from years of clutching and the automatic is probably more efficient these days, thank you for showing us this beautiful truck 😎
If? Dont you mean when...:) Tanks Tim, hope all is well!
Peterbilt Steve. Tim bought his long wheel base from you Steve. That was a beautiful truck.
Thats one of the things I've got to have replaced before I come back out is my left knee replaced no carrlidge left
I am a new truck driver and my knee was bugging me just from a couple weeks of double clutching I was happy to find out that most of the trucks in our automatics
Auto is less eficient and u dont need the clutch
I can appreciate and understand why people choose manual or automatic transmissions. Everyone has a reason for liking what they like. Doesn’t matter what transmission you have, if you have a sleeper or a day cab, ant eater front end or square, drive a kenny or a pete. We’re all out there with a love for the road and the satisfaction of backing into a tight spot.
Drive safe, give a wave, blow the horn for the arm pump, and never stop hauling.
Reply of the year!!!!
I was a die hard manual transmission man. Until I actually started driving and owning trucks with an automated transmission. I love it!!! Love you videos Steve. I’m planning to come talk to you in the next few years when I’m ready for a new truck or maybe two. 👍
lol same here
After years of shifting a sciatic nerve and arthritis this is a brilliant option
absolutely
I’ve been in a 10 speed automatic now for just about three years, pulling tankers through the Sierras and the Cascades. My only gripe is when I get to a customer on rough ground, I have trouble with traction. I would buy one of these in a heartbeat if it wasn’t for my application being in agriculture and feeling like I would get stuck. I am very glad that these automatics are coming to main stream, they are remarkable when ran correctly and given a chance
Beautiful truck Steve. And as expected expertly spect’d.
As always, thank u sir
I've grown to love the ultra shift transmission.
many have
I was just about to buy a manual and after watching this and talking to a few people the ultra shift sounds like a no brainer
If a automated manual is your thing that’s fine. However, if they’re going to do that they might as well put the gear selector on the turn signal arm like on the 579. Just do away with the pedestal in the floor all together.
Beautiful truck, even if it is automated 😂. Be nice if they used a different method than that “tower” for the trans. If you’re not going to have the stick, at least have the room.
Yeah what's up with that, on the steering or like Volvo on the side of the seat works. In the dash, not so much fan of that
Exactly. That’s such a waste of space.
You can get seat mounted but not on the Atlas seat. I personally would give up the floor space for a more comfortable seat
I was sold on the automated, until I seen the tower.
True that...
Could you make a video on the automated transmission? Very interested. Thanks
Yes, thank you for the suggestion
Peterbilt Steve. I second this request Steve. Thanks
I 3rd the request.
Guess that settles it. 👍😁
Peterbilt Steve like a ride and drive something in depth, there isn’t much out there on the Internet about them, especially in the high horsepower trucks
4 th one and also share is there any fuel consumption difference between auto n manual transmission
Thats exactly what I'm looking for automated 18 speed ! ! ! :)
Cmon
Beautiful truck. Great video. Keep hearing and listening to that call of the wild to go back out over the road. Been to the Kenworth dealer. Next stop, the Pete dealer.
Cmon!
Steve, I think this looks fantastic! This will be my truck when I come see you for my build! I will get the 18 speed manual, but other than that...You knocked it out of the park with this build!
Thanks buddy
Nailed it again boss! Awesome Truck! The moment I can afford one I’ll get it just like this! But legendary black, and Dynaflex exhaust. 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
shewt yeah
Since I was old enough to think I've loved big rigs. My dream is to quit plumbing and but a dream like this
Just put a plan together and make it happen
OUTSTANDING. ! Would have loved to have a 18sp auto shift.
Thanks
That color is awesome!
I love it
Gorgeous Peterbilt
thanks
Peterbilt Steve the man gets it done, if you want to go first class this is who to go with.
ThanksTerry
That truck is absolutely beautiful!
Thank you
i'm glad that the new stylee in white led clearance lights... that amber thing for thr last 60 +years played havoc with most color combos in the paint jobs...
opens doors for sure
Steve I worked 30 years for Iowa DOT on highway maintenance and in that 30 years I drove many trucks which where anything from a five and four , ten speed, thirteen, eight speed and four and six speed automatic and my last truck was a 10 speed auto shift which was by far the best transmission/truck I ever ran. It was programmed just right and worked beautiful for all task including plowing and ice blading snow! If I ever bought a truck for hauling short distance/local it would be the Ten auto shift and 18 speed auto shift over the road. Tell your customers to drive one before giving up on a Auto Shift !
Thank you for the great input. I still sell 90-1 manual to automated but the auto customer is out there. Notice how all the manual guys say they would NEVER drive an automated but you never see an automated owner talk trash on a manual? Cultural differences I guess....
At least somebody's at work
Atta boy Steve!!!
Good lookin' ride y'all
Thanks buddy, with 78% of commerce moved by truck I am super fortunate to still be very busy even with the modern plague upon us....
Oh dang I never seen that automated tower before. Looks interesting, like something out of a jet cockpit. Pretty cool forsure. Something for everyone right.
yep
Beautiful I love this truck
Thanks andy
Another absolutely gorgeous ride. You do an outstanding job specing out trucks. I would truly love to have this one.
Incredibly beautiful truck
Totally Awesome Pete!
Thanks bill
Gorgeous looking Peterbilt 389
Thank you
If you played baseball, your batting average would be through the roof! You continue to knock them out of the park. As far as the automated 18 goes, some like them and have a reasoning for them (as you said), some don't. While not my cup of tea so to speak, I truly understand the need and desire. Regardless, it's still a beautiful flippin' truck! People need to realize that. Keep on keepin' on Steve. With all that said, I do have to say that I do really miss the intro from your older videos though. Great content!
Great truck again thanks Steve pull toy here
David Schabel I’d see you super trucker dan. 👍😉
Nice truck I would have it. The last auto box I drove was a Scania v8 topline around 2000 in Europe and if the shift is as good as that was I would jump at that box in a heartbeat. That Scania shifted like a private car and also had the retarder on the gbox.ive lived in Calgary Canada since 2004.
Beautiful truck but I've always wondered something. If someone wanted to have the ultrashift in a 389 but not the Johnson bar, would it be possible to put the gear selector on the column with the steering wheel (like on the 567)?
@peterbiltsteve is it possible?
Peterbilt Steve
I'm not steve ...but I will be watching to
Excellent question, currently no. Mechanically would it work? Absolutely, engineering has not made any attempt (as far as I know) to put that option on the table.
@@SteveCarbone having it done that way would also have a benefit of having nothing between the seats.
I’d love to take the wheel of this beauty!
for sure
Been shifting gears for 21 yrs, let me tell you auto is the way to go Brother 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
thank you for the input, be safe out there.
Sweet truck Steve
thanks
Loved this truck.
Nice! I love that Legendary Red!
thanks
This is a super car!!!I work as a trucker and shoot videos about my work to earn money for such a truck.We have very few American trucks in Russia,especially in good condition.But I'll buy one someday
Thank you my friend
Very Beautiful, I would really like to have it. Thank you for sharing
Beautiful truck Steve
thank u sir
This is exactly what I'm looking for Mr Steve beautiful truck !!!
Awesome show just AWESOME!!!!
Thanks Bronco
Very Very clean PETERBILT. The Color is awesome. Do build C-Class Tow Trucks looking to build another (Rotator) last one built was from Miller Industry out of Chattanooga, Tennessee. Back in 2018. Thanks
Yes sir, we can help you in that department
I started on a manual transmission and then got an automatic. Once you get down the order of operation for it you can make it boogie. I thought it was simpler and safer.
Thanks for the info
Beautiful truck!!
thanks matt
Not sure what is more impressive, the truck or picture quality 🤔
#iphone
❤️😍 gorgeous truck
thanks
YW
Beautiful truck
What ever happened to installing the light panel that attaches behind the front fender on the hood? I used to see them a lot as a kid, but have not seen them on many trucks lately. This truck is beautiful, I just had a thought.
I agree wish they did them more
Very Nice as always!
appreciated john
Love this ..
Thank you sir!
Steve do you have any data or reliable feed back that suggests that a 567 with 565/2050/18 speed does any better on fuel than a 389 equipped the same way?
From guiys who have owned both the 567 is 2-3 tenths per mile better, not much difference
Love this truck
I don't know how long this Coronavirus thing will last, but DOT just suspended the hour limits for truckers, Maybe the EPA should suspend the emission requirements on trucks so they're more reliable and the truck builders should put out some less expensive no frills rigs, so more people could get on the road and get the job done, cause chrome don't get ya home. Just saying.
How much for a truck like this, is it around 170k or more?
Awesome Truck
Steve, I couldn't agree with you more on the ultra shift. The first auto I drove (2010 model) I was one of those "This is a girls truck" guys. Didn't like it at first. But I tell you what, after about six months I got to liking if quite a bit. In stop and go traffic they are great. Subsequent models the shifting got MUCH improved. I agree with what you said. Just let it go guys. To each their own.
Thanks, Im over the DEF and autos suck and cats and 18 are to die for.
Liked and subscribed. Love all these videos steve. Keep it up👍👍
Is there a difference in fuel mileage between the automated and manual
It's kind of hard to say because how you drive the manual makes a very big difference. The automated will shift consistently for fuel millage. If your careful shifting the manual there pretty close if you feel the need to rap it out to 2100 RPM before you shift and floor it coming up to a long climb the automated will eat your lunch.
Driver is everything
Man thats like the Lamborghini of trucks lol. Nice truck man.
18 Speed Ultrashift automated it's great, you still can use the truck as manual
true story
Short farings are popular cause it's getting hard to find drivers that don't smash em into the trailer
Not true but nobody is putting rookie drivers in the trucks I sell either...
Looks beautiful! I wish I could get that!
How much is the truck cost
Have to ask how do you guys measure the wheelbase on the trucks? I live in Norway and here it's measured from the center of the front wheel too the center of the middle aksel
We do the same, thank you for watching!
I love it dream truck !!!
thanks
Beautiful truck, never driven an auto yet. Does the auto make the price go up?
They do cost more yes
Gorgeous rig. Love those 22.5 wheels.
thanks bud
You're welcome Steve. Is it possible to get 379 style headlights on these 389's?
Now that's class! GLY
Does going automated add more to the cost of the truck?
Auto shift is much better. No more blown out knee from being stuck in crawling traffic. My second rig was a paddle shift. Havent drove a manny since.
How much this truck costs?
185
I know people give you shit about these automatics. But coming from a guy has been shifting 19 years when I'm at a place where I can spend that kinda money on my dream rig I'm probably not going to miss that metal rod protruding through the floor board. It won't make me less of a super trucker or your build less of a super truck.
Preach
Very beautiful. What’s the weight difference for the exact same specs on a flattop. Thank you.
400lbs
What confuses me is trucklines claim the new automatics get them better fuel economy for the whole fleet but when you buy a car they tell you to go standard shift if you want maximum fuel economy
I think with the advancements in automatic transmission today a manual can't compete. In these big trucks it's still a manual transmission it just has a computer telling a box on the transmission what gear to go in.
Modern automatic transmissions what ever type is so fast now that its almost impossible to beat them with a manual unless you're some kind of shifting god.
Less power interruption means more power to the ground and less throttle input to make up for the potential loss of drive during a shift with a manual.
Excellent question. In a big truck a manual will always get better fuel economy but you need a well skilled veteran operator to make it happen. If you dont have that, and most all mega fleets dont, the auto is their saving grace. In a street car the horsepower that the automatic transmission needs burns fuel, a manual in that situation is very forgiving even with a sub-par operator so thus better fuel economy.
I have the 13 speed automatic. The only problem is the tower is in the middle of the floor. Why Peterbilt doesn't place the auto shift on the steering column I don't know.
Column not an option in a 389, seat, dash, and console are the 3 options
I got into it on a Facebook group, because it such a discussion on who is a "real" trucker driver if the drive a manual versus an automatic. I just don't know what the big idea is. Aren't we all truckers? Just drive what you feel comfortable with period.
👍😉. Nice. 😉. Do 18 spd. auto trans cost more same less than the manual. ?
No its about $8k more
I just Peterbilt would stop using that hideous selector tower on the 389. The 579 and 567 have a selector on the shifter column which opens up that floor space. I guess I would think that Peterbilt would improve their flagship model with something better looking.
Agree! I like the shifter on the Column much better
Seria um verdadeiro sonho ter um mega caminhão desses aqui em solo brasileiro
Sem duvida..
Unico problema seriam pecas..
Hadn’t watched any other videos I’m afraid, would you please review the buttons and dials? Thank you.
Will try and do that
Where are you guys located. Do you have it white? And how much are they.
Tulsa, and sold out for 13 months
Gorgeous
Looking to purchase a new truck in the near distant future. May be getting in your ear about this ordeal. 👍😎
Put my name on it, she is a beauty Steve. It would look good in the grain line at the elevator. I don't know what I would do without a clutch.
Now, just get corn and soy prices out of the pits and into the money so we can do it. :)
Where u guys location,how much is this model
Tulsa $179,500
Is it still for sale ? When you going to build another one?
sold have a blue one now
Thank you for another great video and for mentioning the rear gear set. I have a question for you that no one seems to want to answer. With a rear gear of 3:25 like you said and and 18 speed with a last ratio of .72 or .73 probably, does that make the over all final ratio approximately 2.25?
www.eaton.com/us/en-us/catalog/transmissions/rt-18-transmission.specifications.html
@@SteveCarbone thank you
Thank you!
What about the new electric Peterbilt trucks? Can you please do a review with a walkthrough (inside and out) on those too to check them out.
I have never seen one....
Being a left leg amputate I have to run auto damn good looking 389
Hey steve,just wondering if you do gliders at all?
Didn't they stop making gliders available?
Pre-emission gliders yes but if for some crazy reason you needed an emissions glider they are available
Liked, except The shifting tower in the middle. I rather have the buttons on the dash
Hate to take up the gauge space but there is no wrong answer on where to put it....
Hey Steve. I dont see any lonestars used for H H... Why is this ??? Thanx. Mr "T".NH.
PS: You do great work.